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Title: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on April 28, 2010, 01:59:16 PM
Rumour has it that next years Nationals will be in either SA or NSW or maybe WA. Only the NT has missed out so where's it meant to be??
I for one reckon Levin in NZ is the go from the picts on the other thread.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 28, 2010, 03:14:29 PM
THere is a National pre 75 only event being held next year in Pt Pirie by Frank and the scamble guys.

Booking in for the Easter weekend.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on April 28, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
I thought the Pirie Nats was one of the better Nats I've been to.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Marc.com on April 28, 2010, 05:31:06 PM
I for one reckon Levin in NZ is the go from the picts on the other thread.

Yeah but getting them to leave again may be a problem after they get used to riding on grass.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: DJRacing on April 28, 2010, 05:42:24 PM
We have offered to run it over here.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on April 28, 2010, 07:44:44 PM
 Easter, you may have trouble in booking it for easter, MA has booked broadford for that weekend each year so l have been told, I would check that out, but if S.A. does have the Nats next year, l would like to ride that meeting, l like South Australia, rode their lots in the good old days.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: brent j on April 28, 2010, 09:54:43 PM
I can see my wife needs another shopping trip to Adelaide! Around about Easter next year....................

The NT may be hosting a round of the National MX series next year but alas no VMX :(
I need to convinve vintage my riding buddies they need pre 75 bikes..

Still three days isn't too far.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 28, 2010, 11:50:38 PM
NO dont get me wrong, the Easter pre 75 meeting is not an MA nats event.   its a stand alone event, due to the 5 day in 2011 they are looking to get the qld and wa to meet up and that was the place they dececded was half way and doable for all.

I have the class lists and event details here somewhere or speak to JBS frank, he was putting it together from  what i remember from a convo with him at braodford, looked like a cheap  entry fee etc ( think it was $100 and you can ride as many bikes and classes as you like and that include the presentation dinner too on the sunday night  :o   so a vintage only event worth the drive.

i guess it will become the unofficial pre 75 only Nats
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 29, 2010, 01:57:12 AM
Freaky - I can come over and then you can pay me the beers you owe for making you look good  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on April 29, 2010, 06:17:30 AM
Hi Guys,
There is only one true national championship and that is the one sanctioned by MA and the venue is yet to be chosen/s. So if your club has spoken about it or you would like to see the Nationals in your state then why not send in a proposal to MA. This week or early next would be good as the commissions meet 8th/9th May.
I would love to see the champs in S.A. it has been a while


Cheers
Fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on April 29, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
Cheers FBR, SA it will be then
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
We dont have any clubs that are still alive ..............
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 29, 2010, 11:12:31 AM
http://www.motorcyclingsa.org.au/clubs.html

http://www.keynetonmcc.asn.au/
give em a ring  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
http://www.motorcyclingsa.org.au/clubs.html

http://www.keynetonmcc.asn.au/
give em a ring  ;D

sorry, let me refrase that "alive and want to do it."  minibike mums dont want to work on events there kids arent riding in.  I have no belief MAsa could run a school lunch run.  Best they just get the permit money and stay out of organising anything, let Frank and crew do it as they have the passion to follow it through.

Walter from what i know the club he has set up to for the track and the permits is Pirie, but may also be whyalla, see details below or ring frank yourself he is looking to get people on board.  NOTE also oly sidecars he acknowledges are pre 75, so its right up your alley.

I know Tony cavell and his crew are making the trip.  so what about you Alison ?

Here is the start list for the interstate challenge

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/portpirie.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 29, 2010, 12:08:49 PM
cheers Freaksta ,have emailed the troops, 8)  so can only wait now.  :P
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2010, 01:13:14 PM
Ally can you post franks details ? i dont have them and i think hes from over there......  other might want to contact him about it all, i know jack other than what he told me and this peice of paper
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2010, 01:14:58 PM
PS did you see how cheap it was   !!!!!!  a weekend with as many bike as you can ride and a dinner on the last all for a hungy bucks !!!! 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 29, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
Now this looks very tempting!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 29, 2010, 02:52:05 PM
mmmmm Freaky - I'm off at that time next year (just waiting for the retorts after saying that).  Maybe I can come and visit???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 29, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
mmmmm Freaky - I'm off at that time next year (just waiting for the retorts after saying that).  Maybe I can come and visit???

Our wind up camper sleeps 4, you got the trailer for the bikes oh chunky monkey!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on April 29, 2010, 03:35:20 PM
I've heard Keyneton mcc is very keen.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2010, 03:43:57 PM
like i said IHNFI.  all i have is the chaT AND THE NOTES ON THE PAPER ABOVE.

some one get franky on the forums please.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: TT on April 29, 2010, 06:22:25 PM
I've heard Keyneton mcc is very keen.

Just rang the Keyneton President and there was some talk about a year ago, but nothing recently.

That said, if it does come to S.A. I'm putting my hand up to sponsor as well.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on April 29, 2010, 07:06:43 PM
Guys,
It wont go to SA unless a club puts up there hand and applys to hold the event
The rules are you need to get the club to apply first to MA then the commission will decide which club will hold the event from all applications.
If an club needs any information I would be more than happy to help out. Please contact me and If I can help

Cheers
Fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2010, 07:16:48 PM
No offence FBC but i think he wants to run this event as an interclub, that way they can run it like a fun event, keep it pre 75 and keep the cost loooooow.  Notice there ar eno bullshit transponder fees and extra bike costs.....  cost me about a grand to do braodford after paying out for all sort including the fees.  i think he is trying to just get off the ground a envent to bring in some numbers to a central scamble.  who knows, you guys need to speak to him.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 29, 2010, 08:13:54 PM
How about Pirie for Pre 78 Nats & Heaven ,Viper or Qvmx for post 77 later in the year?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: pmc57 on April 29, 2010, 08:26:01 PM
No offence guys, but don't we all have anything better to talk about than where next years event will be held? Before we know it, forks, footpegs and possibly even sump plugs will be the main topic of discussion next.
Give it a break, we just finished this years Nats, why don't we try to get over the hangover first.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 29, 2010, 08:29:40 PM
Ally can you post franks details ? i dont have them and i think hes from over there......  other might want to contact him about it all, i know jack other than what he told me and this peice of paper

Sorry Freaky,I don't know a Frank.Were do you know him from.?
The Port Pirie SA club is Guy Walsh 08 8632 3298 .
Really need to get the ball rolling for those that have full sx,mx,vmx calenders for 2011 season..I mean some of us have to travel OS.   ::)   ;D

Race schedule suxs three back to back races    ;)  ;)  ;D  ;D  :P
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 29, 2010, 08:58:43 PM
actually PMC57 if you read back through the thread you will see this topic is up for discussion at the next MA meeting in less than 2 weeks time - so a bit of jostling and coercion is probably appropriate at this time for clubs who might be umming and aaahhhing  ;D

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on April 29, 2010, 09:12:37 PM
Freaky,
Im NOT talking about Franks event,  Im talking about a club standing up and wanting to hold a national event the 2011 Classic Motocross Australian Championship. SA has not held the event for 10 years or so and I would personally like to see a club over there put there hand up to hold the event next year.


Cheers
Fatboy 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 30, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
Freaky,
Im NOT talking about Franks event,  Im talking about a club standing up and wanting to hold a national event the 2011 Classic Motocross Australian Championship. SA has not held the event for 10 years or so and I would personally like to see a club over there put there hand up to hold the event next year.

ahh thats ok was just reading like that. 

All ask our club but i think there is only about 4 Vintage guys in it so ill have to beg........   I think the whyalla club has the most, maybe levis could if they did a joint with mud and tars, but there a bit un organised.  Murry williams might be able to talk em into it.

other wise i say your stuff in SA unless it s a joint effort, we just dont have the passionate members for vintage.   but lets see.
Cheers
Fatboy 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 30, 2010, 12:03:25 AM
Ally can you post franks details ? i dont have them and i think hes from over there......  other might want to contact him about it all, i know jack other than what he told me and this peice of paper

Sorry Freaky,I don't know a Frank.Were do you know him from.?
The Port Pirie SA club is Guy Walsh 08 8632 3298 .
Really need to get the ball rolling for those that have full sx,mx,vmx calenders for 2011 season..I mean some of us have to travel OS.   ::)   ;D

Race schedule suxs three back to back races    ;)  ;)  ;D  ;D  :P

Frank with that JBS 500   that tony cavell rides, isnt here form over west ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 30, 2010, 07:56:11 AM
Thanks Freaky ,Ive never met the bloke ,but made a call last night and now know who you are writing about.I have sent the above plan off to the troops ,so can only let them do their bit now.
Feedback is positive so far, up to the riders now.
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on April 30, 2010, 08:48:06 AM
So . we've already had two prospective sponsors put their hands up and SA hasn't had a VMX national for 10 years-so what's stopping them??
Come on guys - get on the 'phones.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 06, 2010, 08:43:09 AM
Someone missed a gear or something as things just stopped happening.
Time to ring the guys in Darwin to see when they will put it on or hand it over to the Kiwis as we all know it would be well arranged by them.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: TM BILL on May 06, 2010, 09:18:52 AM
We would run it in a heartbeat  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on May 06, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Soooo Bill

Is it going to be the Eastern Island state of Australia or the Commonwealth of Austzeland? ;D

I guess if we all moved over there we could just swap countries 'cause most Kiwis are over here anyway.

211
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 06, 2010, 10:21:52 AM
Don't you have to have a heart first Bill/ ;D
Let's comprimise and have it at Norfolk island.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: brent j on May 06, 2010, 10:29:30 AM
Someone missed a gear or something as things just stopped happening.
Time to ring the guys in Darwin to see when they will put it on or hand it over to the Kiwis as we all know it would be well arranged by them.

I'd love to see the event run in Darwin but our club has enough trouble getting people to run a modern MX event.
Any help to run an event would be non existant. Too many young people up here and not enough with any interest in old bikes.
There are two regular VMX riders in Darwin, somtimes more when we loan a bike or two................
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on May 06, 2010, 11:20:00 AM
I would think that untill the issue of the "split" and intro of Pre90 is settled it is premature for a club [or clubs] to formulate a proposal for the Nats  ,   UNLESS a club aplies to run one side of the split . I am confidant then that another club would jump in for the other side.Then we'd be on our way.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 06, 2010, 01:18:06 PM
Brentj, with just the two of you, you seem to have made the only offer so far so stay tuned we might be coming to Darwin. Seems Norfolk Island didn't get the gig.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 06, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
We could round up all the illegals if we did it on Xmas..........   govt might even pay for it....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 06, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
Shit Freaky we're onto something-let me get back to you after I talk to my local member.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: shorelinemc on May 06, 2010, 03:39:47 PM
would  have to put illegals thru a woodchipper 1st nice fertiliser and very cost effective ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 10, 2010, 03:57:26 PM
So what's going on. I heard that the Levis club was a bit keen but they haven't put a proposal up yet.
Any takers in NSW? If not it's going to NT.!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 10, 2010, 04:38:48 PM
http://www.fullnoise.com.au/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_full&news_id=7559&Ntitle=General%3A%20Tailem%20Bend%20Motorsport%20Park%20open%20for%20business&cfid=11318482&cftoken=48584371&dts=105201034438

For future reference.
There is an aerial shot,I don't see a VMX track,though with 680 acres anything is a possibility.  8)
South Australia has a new motorsport venue with Tailem Bend Motorsport Park Pty Ltd announcing that it is now holding activities and events and accepting bookings, according to Manager Jo Malloy.

The Tailem Bend Motorsport Park is a new multi sport motorsport park. Motorcycling SA and the Sporting Car Club of SA have joined forces to establish the park under the auspices of CAMS and Motorcycing Australia.

“The Coorong District Council along with the Regional Development Australia Murraylands and Riverland Inc Board have worked closely with us to allow us the opportunity of developing an International Standard Motorsport Complex and Training Facility at the former Mitsubishi test track site”. Ms Malloy said.

The facility has successfully hosted a MotoTrial event, the Corporate Media Release of the new Porsche 911 Turbo, a special stage of the Clipsal 500 Rally Touring Road Event, Vehicle Component Testing as well as Advanced Driver and Rider Education Programs for not only local providers but also from companies from Queensland and Victoria.

“In the coming months we will see other activities including various Rallies, both on the dirt and the bitumen, Motorkhana's, Kanacross, Motorcycle Enduro, Drifting, Dealer Product Information days and Sprint Events as well as Advanced Driver/Rider Education Programs including Junior Development and Coaching Programs. Junior Development allows children to enter the motorsport arena in a controlled and safe environment.

“Although the name Tailem Bend Motorsport Park suggests that the facility is primarily used for motorsport activities, the site is suitable for many purposes and we have so much more to offer. The site is approximately 680 hectares that comprises a 1400 metre asphalt straight with a 80 x 80 metre skid pan that is capable of being irrigated with reticulating water and a variety of loop roads surrounding it. We have approximately 23 Kms of dirt and gravel roads and then another 350 untouched hectares.

“Tailem Bend Motorsport Park can assist anyone involved in a club, organisation, driver/rider training or corporate business who is looking for somewhere to enjoy motorsport, participate in a program that will improve your driving skills or hold corporate functions. If you are involved in a school and would like to explore the possibility of varied and practical education programs for your children to enjoy away from the class room atmosphere, we would welcome any opportunity to have your school and your children involved in this exciting project” Ms Malloy said.

For anyone wishing to become involved in the facility there are many opportunities to do so whether it be participating in a club event or activity as a driver/rider or perhaps becoming an official for either car or bike racing. Tailem Bend Motorsport Park welcomes any opportunity to have the public involved.

Any clubs or organisation can use the existing facilities and are invited to contact TBMP. CONTACT: Jo Malloy, Manager, on Tel 0407 795 729
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 10, 2010, 04:41:42 PM
So what's going on. I heard that the Levis club was a bit keen but they haven't put a proposal up yet.
Any takers in NSW? If not it's going to NT.!!
LEVIS CLUB--Here ya go everyone ring ...put the pressure on  8)
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SECRETARY    Linda Harris    08 8235 2709 / 0438 738 574
TREASURER    Linda Harris    08 8235 2709 / 0438 738 574
COMPETITION SECRETARY    Linda Harris    08 8235 2709 / 0438 738 574
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 10, 2010, 04:50:40 PM
All very nice Ally, but who's gonna run it?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 10, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
All very nice Ally, but who's gonna run it?

Surely.one club in SA is VMX friendly and has a membership base of more than 20 goers/doers.
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 10, 2010, 05:23:47 PM
Your prity much looking at the whole levis club there, the rest of the memebrs you never see.  Although i think murry williams might still be in levis ?
i did see him at the nats with the Goldstar and chair.  but hes the last of em.  the rest are mini bike mums.  your on a dead end.  

We have to help them with there 1 round of the state Dt round and send officials. they could only do it if,  if they had one or 2 other clubs help them out.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 10, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
Surely.one club in SA is VMX friendly and has a membership base of more than 20 goers/doers.  ???  ???
cheers

double cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: rob580 on May 12, 2010, 05:19:31 PM
As a member of Morgan motor cycle club & long time reader of this forum.
It has been read & discussed that you need a site for 2011 nats?
Morgan motor cycle club wants a expression of interest from any VMX personal
to discuss format.Prefer South Australian based.
There is a club day on 16/5/10 at Morgan
So bring your pre vmx & enjoy the ride in our [ROOTED] class all pre 85 or over 40.
Sidecars will mixed with moderns .
On tuesday 18/5/10 evening MMC will hold a general meeting to discuss nats proposal
its your best interest to have someone attend & promote your V M X

I WONT ENGAGE IN ANY E_MAIL WARFARE.

Phone Rob Schmidt 0418821755 for any positive feedback
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 12, 2010, 06:43:53 PM
rather than all this tooing and frooing and trying to push clubs/states into it - the commission meeting has finished hasn't it -did anybody offer to hold the Nats next year?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on May 13, 2010, 10:19:36 PM
Have I missed something here? What's all of this South Australia this, South Australia that stuff? Where did this Morgan club and Tailem Bend stuff come from? From what I know, none of those clubs have any relationship with VMX and in fact, I believe the Morgan club is essentially a sidecar club. There's something very weird happening here and I've got a feeling in my bones that it's not going to be a positive thing for the Nationals. Methinks there's been some mischievous lobbying going on.......... somebody prove me wrong. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 13, 2010, 10:24:18 PM
Its about SA turn and its close to WA.  ;D
Just trying to get the ball rolling,,don't know if its working too well :-\
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on May 13, 2010, 10:35:11 PM
Morgan, along with Keyneton and Gawler would have been the clubs i would have suggested as they are some of the bigger more enthusiastic clubs. In my eyes Morgans offer is totally legitimate and there is no reason to think something fishy is going on, and no they are not just a sidecar club. Someone said its SA's turn to hold the nats so any club that wants to put their hand up needs to be supported, otherwise it may be another 10 years before its 'SA's turn' again because as you can see not many clubs have expressed much interest.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on May 13, 2010, 10:56:49 PM
I can understand it being South Australias turn and I have no problems with it being there as the Tanunda and Pirie Nats were two of the best I attended. Tanunda was the last motocross Nats I rode so it has some sentimentality. Having said that, if the Nats are held in SA it'll pretty much have to rely on "imported" entries as there isn't a very strong local vintage population. I wonder how many Queenslanders would venture that far? And as it's pretty certain that the Nats will be split, which one would SA support? All hypothetical of course.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 17, 2010, 09:23:23 AM
HEAVEN VMX Inc ran it's Round 3 event at the Lakes track on the weekend just gone. This track is located near Toronto (Newcastle) NSW. It is approx 1 hour on the F3 north of Sydney. In speaking with the Lakes Club over the weekend, they have expressed a very keen interest in hosting the 2011 VMX Nationals in conjunction with the HEAVEN VMX Inc club. They have already spoken with MA on the subject and are in the process of putting together a submission for the event. I am keen to hear people's thoughts on the Lakes track as a venue. From my experience of riding vmx at the track, and having HEAVEN events there over the last two years, this venue ticks all the boxes to host the Aussie VMX Nationals.
The club has lots of experience at running State and National titles for both seniorand junior categories and these events also far exceed the numbers that have been seen at the previous VMX Nationals.
The Lakes Club is hosting the Australian Junior Motocross Titles this year , with the expectation of 700+ riders. This they will handle with ease as it is nothing for the club to have 350 to 400 riders at a club day. They have a great committee who work very hard to ensure the facility is run professionally and are continually upgrading the facilities at the track. HEAVEN VMX Inc would be involved with the running of the event and I am sure that if successful in the bid to host the 2011 Titles, riders would not be dissapointed.
I have spoken with a number of HEAVEN riders who have ridden the Nationals in the past and they are of the opinion that the track is definately suited to all the era's of bikes that are run at the Nationals. Our current President, Carl Blecher, monsters his Triumph Metisse around this track and it is definately a sight ( and sound) to behold.
Let me know what people think? Cheers.
Dan
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on May 17, 2010, 09:45:29 AM
On the assumption that the Nats will be split, will HEAVEN cater for both factions or promote the pre '78-85 era class only? Whichever HEAVEN goes with, it's a great initiative and deserves everyones support. Good on ya's!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on May 17, 2010, 09:53:13 AM
I will make some inquires about running it in NSW.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 17, 2010, 10:05:45 AM
My opinion is that The Lakes Club and HEAVEN would promote both era's. Venue is suitable for both so I would like to see both there but if it were to be split, again , both clubs would have no issues in promoting the Post 78 bikes.
In fact , HEAVEN is holding our "EVO Challenge" at the Lakes Track in August this year, so this would be a great opportunity for guys to come and ride the track for two days and get to know the track if we were successful in a bid for the Titles. Evo challenge caters for the Post 78 bikes.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 17, 2010, 11:08:42 AM
This is a great revalation and would have Qld support I'm sure.
One question, is the track wide enough for three chairs to get around and fenced off for spectators so the sidecars can run.
Two questions, what time of year are we looking as the sidecar boys will be coming to Qld for the Sidecar Spectacular and hopefully we can join it all together in their journey north.   
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on May 17, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
My opinion only in how I think the Nat's should run.
Wednesday would be practice a whole days worth run in 2 divisions pre 78 and over. In groups of 30 at a time. I know it's a pain in the ass to organise but it's worth it.
Thursday and Friday would be Pre 75 classes all age groups, those without sufficient entries bumped into the next age groups. Friday afternoon would be pre 78 classes.
Saturday can be EVO and Pre 80 plus side cars.
Sunday can be anything left over from previous days racing in the morning then a run what you like age groups with longer races so you can ride your 2011 525 KTM or your CZ 400, Maybe a small bore class? 
Extra 40 min practise each morning for those who cant be there Wednesday and also different track conditions.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 17, 2010, 12:49:34 PM
My opinion only in how I think the Nat's should run.
Wednesday would be practice a whole days worth run in 2 divisions pre 78 and over. In groups of 30 at a time. I know it's a pain in the ass to organise but it's worth it.
Thursday and Friday would be Pre 75 classes all age groups, those without sufficient entries bumped into the next age groups. Friday afternoon would be pre 78 classes.
Saturday can be EVO and Pre 80 plus side cars.
Sunday can be anything left over from previous days racing in the morning then a run what you like age groups with longer races so you can ride your 2011 525 KTM or your CZ 400, Maybe a small bore class? 
Extra 40 min practise each morning for those who cant be there Wednesday and also different track conditions.

Sorry did you say Race mid week ?????  I think you'll find most of us work and then there a day or so travel so you would cut out the whole week ???? its just not feasable for most riders i would say.............
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: JohnnyO on May 17, 2010, 01:01:38 PM
Sorry did you say Race mid week ?????  I think you'll find most of us work and then there a day or so travel so you would cut out the whole week ???? its just not feasable for most riders i would say.............
Exactly. I'm in favour of splitting the Nats into two and running it over 2 days.
We're not sponsored riders paid to race and most of us have jobs to be at.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 17, 2010, 01:26:41 PM
If most of you blokes sold your collections off at the right price you could still pick out your one fav bike and have enough live on without ever working again therefore becoming self sponsored play boy racers!!
You could race tuesdays right after golf and spend time with your fav girly on the week ends.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 17, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
In reply to the chairs question, Lakes have run quads previously on the track, but I am not sure regarding chairs as I have not had anything to do with them before.
As for the time of year, well that hasn't really been discussed as yet but I am sure that there shall be quite a lot of discussion regarding this and taking into account other events. It would be nice to get a date that will suit everyone but unfortunately that is just unrealistic. Be rest assured though that if successfull, there shall be a lot of thought go into the date for the event.
As for format, well again early days yet but one possible scenario would be sign-on and scrutineering to start on Thursday and continue into Friday. Start practice on Friday and depending on time and numbers etc, either start racing on Friday arvo or first thing Saturday morning.
It is early days yet but if we can get the support of the VMX community early and get as many concerns raised as possible, then these can be dealt with in a timely manner. I believe that the geographic location of the venue is very positive in that it is half way for Vic & Qld riders, SA riders can cut across as well ( approx 16 to 18hrs). I nw that this is not as friendly for the SA guys as holding the event in SA, but unfortunately people will be required to travel. As for the WA guys, well again I feel for those that are required to travel long distances but if people get together and arrange shipping of bikes in containers etc and the abundance of cheap airfares these days it can make life a little more bareable. Plenty of accomadation within a 10 - 30 minute drive ( you can be in the centr of Newcastle in about 45minutes or the heart of the Hunter Valley wine country in 30 minutes), or camping available at the track. The track in only about 2hrs drive from Sydney airport as well. Great family location, so bring the whole gang and make a holiday out of it. If anyone has negative comments about the venue, please speak up early. Thanks.
Dan
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on May 17, 2010, 01:44:08 PM
One question
How many start gates do they have?
The location seems good to me. Hopefully they can fix a track that suits most.
As for racing mid week use a weeks holiday from work. alot of people will need most the week off anyway to travel etc so whats a few extra days?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 17, 2010, 01:50:31 PM
40 gate start grid.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 17, 2010, 03:58:08 PM
One question
How many start gates do they have?
The location seems good to me. Hopefully they can fix a track that suits most.
As for racing mid week use a weeks holiday from work. alot of people will need most the week off anyway to travel etc so whats a few extra days?

the differance of leaving sund to get there for wed and then not getting back till tuesday to work wednesday.
IF you set up fri for a Sat/ sun race whats the Issue ?  IF you make it PRe 75 only , you wont have to piss oabout and Pad out the program of so many days.  2 days should be the most Racing time you actually need.  THen the rest of us can figure out how we use the 20 hours driving around or work hours.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on May 17, 2010, 04:36:43 PM
towards the end of this thread are some pictures of the track

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=9983.0

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/Tento850/DSCF6832.jpg)


(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/Tento850/DSCF6833.jpg)
Cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 17, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
Looks really sandy-is it? That would make a fantastic Dutch style circuit that could swallow some bikes and take the reiders with them. :D
Can you make some roller coaster style jumps that are easy to take off from and even better to land off for the older bikes and the outfits?
Looks the goods though.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: E74 on May 17, 2010, 04:51:36 PM
It's got one huge muva table top that ani't that pre-75 friendly.... ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 17, 2010, 04:54:19 PM
To the pre '75s that's an up hill jump and a down hill jump isn't it?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on May 17, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
Good to see an option on the table Dan, track looks great and i'm sure you'll be supported.

keep in mind it's not how many riders you can accomadate, it's the number of class's you have to fit in, as the Nats stand it's just possible to fit it in 3 days without changing any class's.

Good luck at what ever you decide, but dont listen to those sidecar guys too much as only 5 or 6 will turn-up ;D, sad but true!

Cheers Trev
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 17, 2010, 05:16:29 PM
We'll be lucky to get that many.
Maybe we should increase the prize pool.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 17, 2010, 05:46:58 PM
January,February, March,May,July,September,October,November and December are the quietest months on the VMX calender here and NZ.
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on May 17, 2010, 05:59:15 PM
Sounds good Dan.

Despite the bitching, I thought that Broadford had the best format for an all-eras VMX Nats. Basically free practice on Friday, and then the regulation couple of laps practice on each race day morning.
This means that people can get a decent amount of practice & can learn the track, but don't have to be there on Friday.
However, this leaves a tight racing schedule (particularly if you don't end up with combined races and/or you have someone needing an ambulance ride).

Really, I guess the point is that you WILL have to make compromises, and people WILL bitch that the compromise doesn't suit them exactly . ::) The real challenge will be giving people what they want and still being able to run an event that actually works and meets the rules...
I have zero doubt that the HEAVEN crew have the skills and knowledge to run the event and run it well. With the extra man-power from the Lakes club, then we'll be laughing.

Running the event right at the beginning or end of daylight saving might be a way to extend the usable amount of daylight, and reasonably expect decent weather?

If you put in a successful bid, I will support it regardless.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: E74 on May 17, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
Without doubt it's a great track, nice safe straight-first turn and extremely well maintained, would be a 1st class venue  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: matcho mick on May 17, 2010, 06:43:04 PM
agree with that,if i can drag my sorry bum round (just!  ;D),3 laps i can do ,4's tad too much ::),as for the table top,phhhh,don't speed up the ski slope??,it was pretty well covered last years Heaven meeting on the forum so some good reference  material there?,don't think s/cars 3 abreasts gunna work through the twisties,starts sandy EML,thats about it ;),good choice but,(10mins from home for me freaky  8)),friday practice(optional),racing sat/sundies the go,actually Heavens std format without the juniors works for me, :P
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 17, 2010, 06:49:44 PM
YEp screw the juniors and there mini bike mums............ 2 days is plenty
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 090 on May 17, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
We'll be lucky to get that many.
Maybe we should increase the prize pool.
Wouldn't hurt to increase the gene pool as well.  :P

I can't believe so many different opinions about this. Moderns? 4 or 5 day event? Surely you can't have thought it through.
From what I have read elsewhere, there can be no support races at a nationals. So no moderns. Couldn't fit them in anyway.
With the nat's split inevitable , pre 75 or 78 backwards nats is three days tops ( at Coffs nats, they slowed things down to make it last the three days). An evo to pre 90 would be over in a weekend for sure.
Like it has been said, no one can afford to be away from work 4 days plus travel each way.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on May 17, 2010, 07:12:23 PM
Pre-90 are not in the MoMS, so unless that class is approved very quickly, then there can be no pre-90 races at the 2011 VMX Nationals (even if they're split).

At that point, I wonder whether splitting the Nationals by eras is premature? (NB: I strongly support the idea of splitting the Nats by eras!).

And I thought that everyone had agreed that pre-78 would be grouped in with the older bikes? When did they get moved in with the Evo+ bikes again?



Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 65sdad on May 17, 2010, 07:25:33 PM
chairs could use the 50 track around the bottom of the centre tabletop if that was more suitable.
friday arvo practice & 2 days of racing saturday & sunday would get the thing done
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: NSR on May 17, 2010, 07:34:40 PM
I Like the look of the track, From what I can see there would be no need to change it.  IMO it should be split and be no more than a 2 day event.  
That would make it cheeper and a better event to run.  As for a 4-5 day event :o
If its not split take out the S/cars that will free up some time ;D   
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on May 17, 2010, 07:40:04 PM
Pre-90 are not in the MoMS, so unless that class is approved very quickly, then there can be no pre-90 races at the 2011 VMX Nationals (even if they're split).

At that point, I wonder whether splitting the Nationals by eras is premature? (NB: I strongly support the idea of splitting the Nats by eras!).

And I thought that everyone had agreed that pre-78 would be grouped in with the older bikes? When did they get moved in with the Evo+ bikes again?

Who is everyone Nathan? and who agreed to anything, all the comments should be put to submission, I hope thru the clubs back to their state bodies to go to MA. Have you done so? or are you all piss and wind.

leave this thread to Dan and the boys and they will do as instructed by MA, dont make it harder for them with your going-ons, have your say and leave us grown-ups to sort things out. ;D

cheers trev


Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on May 17, 2010, 08:29:01 PM
When I said 'everyone' I was talking about the general concencus on these forums, and that in the 'real world' - and its been rock solid since Col began discussing his proposal several weeks ago.
With no discussion (that I've seen), its all back up in the air again.

So my question related to whether there was a reason why we're talking about moving the split to pre-75/post-74 - be it a decision my MA, an alterative submission, or just an alternative point of view being aired on these forums.

Its OK Trev, those of us who aren't senile yet will sort it out. Hate to have you wandering the streets in your dressing gown, all befuddled.
 :-*
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on May 17, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
by far your best reply yet, Nathan ;D

cheers verT
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 17, 2010, 09:09:56 PM
Well, there has been some great responses so far. Keep them coming so that they can all be digested. The more info available, the easier it is to make informed decisions.
One thing that I would like to raise in regards to splitting the nationals is the viability from a cost/return point of view. Would it it finacially viable for clubs to host the Nationals in the future if the were to be split ( however that may be, if it were Pre 78 and Post 78)?

As for the large tabletop in the track that has been mentioned, there is infact a bypass for that already in the track which could be used if required but, you only need to watch Jens Olsen ( who is in his prime at around 65 yrs old) ride this track on his 74 RH250 and give most of his younger rivals a riding lesson and you can see that the track is fine (IMO) the way it is, but that is only my opinion!
Another rider / bike combo again is Carl Blecher on his Metisse, over the tabletop in question. My belief is that it comes back to the rider knowing his/her limits on the track and riding accordingly but again, only my opinion. Cheers
Dan
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on May 17, 2010, 10:06:09 PM
The bit that worries me most is the finish line jump,
A really nice jump on any era bike when part of the race,   but it is a measured jump and easy to over jump,
 I think the finish line should be before the jump because last ditch efforts trying to gain a place over that jump can end in tears, (ie the tyre wall or worse)

I also feel that for the older classes that the hills may need careful  preparation as they tended to get cut up a bit making
interesting times when on the gas or brakes  with only 3 1/2 4 inches of travel , yes those hills are steeper than they look in the pictures.

Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 18, 2010, 07:23:03 AM
Very valid points Noel and there the sort of things that we need to scrutinise for the event. Would be good for other vintage guys who are thinking of riding the NAts next year to come and have a practice on the track at our next round there in August so that we can get a wider spectrum of opinions on the track. From both Pre78 and Post 78 riders.
HEAVEN VMX Inc will be holding the EVO Challenge at the Lakes track on the 14th & 15th August this year. Saturday shall be dedicated to the EVO Challenge races with Sunday being two normal rounds of HEAVEN racing. This is a good opportunity to get some track time at Lakes for those that haven't ridden there before. If you have any further questions about this event, please do not hesitate to contact myself. Cheers
Dan
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 18, 2010, 08:36:18 AM
Dan, the table top wont be a problem. The sidecar spectacular at Warrnambool had 3 or 4 and also some step-ups and step downs, so don't worry about it.
If there are some hills we'll cope with that as well. Can't be any worse than France with tracks like Tours or Thouars-which ever-it has very sharp hills.
As long as there are 2 or 3 passing points each lap.
If the sidecars are a problem we'll just do a demo at lunch break.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on May 18, 2010, 09:43:30 AM
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you only need to watch Jens Olsen ( who is in his prime at around 65 yrs old) ride this track on his 74 RH250 and give most of his younger rivals a riding lesson and you can see that the track is fine (IMO)
I must admit that I wasn't at The Lakes so can't comment for or against its pre 75 viability. I can however comment on using Jens Olsen as an example that the track is pre '75 friendly. The old Norwegian may be 65, but he was also an ex Aussie Champ in the 70s and again, many times in the vintage era so he shouldn't be used as an example for the track being ridable for everybody. I've always maintained that a track should be able to be ridden safely by the slowest rider in the event, not the guns like Jens or Carl Bletcher. Never lose sight of the fact that there are more Joe Average racers than those at the pointy end and making up the population of our sport. If you make a track too difficult or dangerous for them they repay your 'kindness' by not returning. We learned that the hard way after riders universally hated the track we gave them for the '94 Mt Kembla Nats. They're still whingeing about it 16 years later! ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: matcho mick on May 18, 2010, 10:57:56 AM
ok,using Jens again,last year he lapped me (admittedly last lap) down the last hill,just flew past,skipping over the jumps like the pro he is,last weekend,no one lapped me on my pre75 ossa,(& i am the professional sweep rider,just ask anyone ;D),it's still enjoyable,it's a serious track no doubts about it,but it's not dangerous,the jumps are manageable,it's different,i have come to like it,(minds willing,body thinks i'm on drugs ::)),stop procrastinating all,if it comes up,go for it,keep it simple guys!!,mick
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Dan-166 on May 18, 2010, 11:19:29 AM
Take on board your comment Firko regarding Jens and Carl but if you read the bit after that in my post, I talked about guys riding to their ability. This track is certainly manageable for the "Joe Average "rider and not dangerous providing they ride within their capabilities. All tracks can be dangerous, but if people ride to their capabilities and not go thinking they are indestructable teenagers again, then there are usually no problems. Sure you will always have guys putting their bikes down in the heat of a race, but that's why they call it racing.
One comment I would make though Firko is how many "Joe Average" riders do you see at the Nat's?
Cheers, keep the constructive talk coming!
Dan
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on May 18, 2010, 11:47:26 AM
Quote
One comment I would make though Firko is how many "Joe Average" riders do you see at the Nat's?
Most of them Dan. I'd condider Matcho Mick to be one of those Joe Average punters and going by nhis comments, if he handled it OK then all is well. 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on May 18, 2010, 11:59:57 AM
I will try and come in August and see for myself. Joe Average in my opinion is still 70% of the field.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 18, 2010, 12:12:17 PM
One comment I would make though Firko is how many "Joe Average" riders do you see at the Nat's?
Cheers, keep the constructive talk coming!
Dan

Every rider is a Joe average.  One might be a better joe average but at the end of the day there is always someone better than you out there and i dont care who you are.

Where possible keep it natural terrain the fast guys can still go faster, but the guys mid pack can still enjoy a good race.  I agree with firko its not about making the track tricker  or harder to sort out the top 5, its about giving a riding experiance to those that make the Nats financially viable, thats who you are catering for" the lifeblood of the sport", the top 5 will fight it out regardless of the track or the place so they will look after themselves.  Success of an event is a broader vision.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on May 18, 2010, 12:16:29 PM
Status re my proposal as I understand it is:-
Several formal submissions have been received by MA supporting the broad thrust of the proposal.
Two states have responded [that I know of] to MA           "                 "           "               "
The upshot in brief is:-
The Nats to be split into two eras,[Classic & Post Classic terminology has been suggested.]
A Pre90 class introduced for 2011 Nats ,with 125,250 & 263+
Four age groups for Evolution class.
Pre 75 age groups to be adhered to as per MOMS.
Over 70yo riders to be recognised [similar to Super Seniors sponsored by VMX at the last two Nats.]
The word "mandatory" removed from the submission.
The recommendation by the Commission is the split be at Pre 75.There are valid arguments for this ,but there is a strong counter argument for it to be split at Pre78.It is agreed by both factions that the split is needed, it's a matter of where.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on May 18, 2010, 01:08:19 PM
well done Col and thanks for the update.

Only 2 states bothered to submit, mmmmmmmmmmmmh, let us pray

age groups for Evo is a great start, yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ah, split away from the rabble at pre 75 and let WA have some fun, makes sense to me

Back to the retirement home for me, the young fellows have every thing under controll ;D

Cheers Trev
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 18, 2010, 01:17:44 PM
If a split was made at say pre75, will that bring more pre 68's or earlier back to the fold, as I think it might, or have they all gone off to never never land.
I've only been back a couple of years so am not sure how many oldies there were/are about but it does seem likely to encourage more to come back-or am I dreaming.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on May 18, 2010, 06:33:19 PM
Lets just hope that they split it at pre 78....fricken West Australians have to try and stuff it up just because they only ride pre 75......retards if you ask me, Evo, pre 85 and pre 90 will grow bigger so I think pre 78 needs to go with the earlier bikes. The biggest class will be pre 75, then pre 78 followed by pre70 so that gives 3 major classes....Post 78 would have pre 85, Evo followed by pre 90 as the 3 classes but I would think that pre 90 would take over as the main class within a few years. If we add pre 78 to the post classic class then pre 75 would only have 2 major classes and post 75 would have 4 major classes, to me it's all about keeping it even and before all you pre 65 people start jumping up and down saying that pre 65 will grow.....your dreamers, proofs in the pudding....pre 65 people Dont go to the nationals in big numbers ie, more than 15 or 20 so your not going to make up the numbers if pre 78 wasnt there and this split is about the nationals!! I hope this makes sence  and maybe Col or someone if you agree can pass it on to the commisson. Maybe BIG DAVE is reading? I think that the West Aussies are just being selfish and not looking at the big picture ( apparently the Vic's are backing them up....shit, they couldnt even turn up to there nationals a couple of months ago AND they had to get a ROADRACE club to hold it!!!..... they didnt even bother to come and watch.....gutless.... and now they want to have there two bobs worth). I think pre 78 will suffer if it gets lobed into the post classic's anyway , enough rambling, I hope I havent upset to many people but commoncence needs to prevale. Cheers John.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: JohnnyO on May 18, 2010, 06:37:32 PM
Good points Johnboy.. I heard it's not just the WA boys wanting the split at pre '75.
Doesn't worry me either way but like you said the post '78 era would eventually have more classes added.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on May 18, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
Lets just hope that they split it at pre 78....fricken West Australians have to try and stuff it up just because they only ride pre 75......retards if you ask me,

sorry to disappoint you Davey but us retards, now have a pre85 club as well.  For fun on the 6th June our pre85 club is running a support class at the manjimup 15000, extremely retarded!!!!!!

The only reply from this state came from the VMXWA club which answered the proposal as per their constitution
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Husky500evo on May 18, 2010, 07:02:03 PM
One of the reasons that I really like the pre '78 classes is because of their versatility. Pre '78 bikes have enough suspension to be comfortable on tracks that suit evo and later classes, but they also don't look out of place at meetings for pre '75 and earlier . I think that the '07 Coffs Harbour nationals would have have struggled for numbers if it had not been for the pre '78 classes.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: All Things 414 on May 18, 2010, 07:02:38 PM
apparently the Vic's are backing them up....shit, they couldnt even turn up to there nationals a couple of months ago AND they had to get a ROADRACE club to hold it!!!..... they didnt even bother to come and watch.....gutless....

Because VMX down here is so big mate that we had two really worth-while things happening both weeks before the Nats ok. I mean really good things where you can ride and race your heart out at each all day long. As opposed to going to a piss weak Nationals so clutterered that you get one three lap ride each day for three days and spend a zillion dollars to have the privilage!  

rambling, I hope I havent upset to many people

Yes me you Moron. I'm a bit fed up with you using this as a platform for your rantings about Vic's
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Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on May 18, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
New thread (with poll) is here: http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=13196.0
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on May 18, 2010, 07:55:24 PM
look, the Vic Nats were set-up to fail because of the 3 events being run one week apart. I think that is accepted fact, if only 2 submissions were recieved by MA, they are the only options that will be consider, 1 being QLD and the 1 from a pre 75 club in WA. I cant see how anyone feels they can be hard done by with due process at hand, if you or your club didnt go back to your State bodies with submissions you need to go look in the mirror.

Overall this is a big step forward for VMX, pre 78 is a sticking point and feel maybe it could float between events, if a pre 75 club is running the Nats it shouldnt be forced on them, it can move into the post classic for that year, is that so hard to accept.

Age group racing for Evo is huge for the class.

A lot of positives can and will come from these changes , but to those on the sideline just give it a rest as we all have had a chance to go back to the clubs, Pre 85 came about from 1 individual in QLD supported by his club and submitted to MA, and the rest is history, thanks Holeshot ;)

Cheers Trev


Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 090 on May 18, 2010, 08:35:52 PM
Quote
Overall this is a big step forward for VMX, pre 78 is a sticking point and feel maybe it could float between events, if a pre 75 club is running the Nats it shouldnt be forced on them, it can move into the post classic for that year, is that so hard to accept
Good point.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GD66 on May 18, 2010, 08:50:41 PM
Nice work, DaveyCrocket, very calm and thoughtful, and not in the least offensive : can't wait to t-bone you at a downhill hairpin, as befitting a retard... ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 18, 2010, 08:53:47 PM
the classic scramble club was offered to run the Nationals this years,but it was knocked back at the last AGM Meeting by the members.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on May 18, 2010, 08:54:51 PM
... if a pre 75 club is running the Nats it shouldnt be forced on them,

How would it 'hurt' any club? What's the argument against it, even from the pre-75 only guys in WA?
Same track, more riders and a grand total of three more races/round.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 18, 2010, 10:58:46 PM
Tossa- that isn't correct - MA received more than just from the VMXWA club - from WA.

cheers

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on May 18, 2010, 11:04:17 PM
wasn't aware of other submissions from other clubs
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 18, 2010, 11:16:39 PM
Over all I think the amount of submissions were bit lame...though I do thank those that did submit documentation/correspondence.
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on May 19, 2010, 12:03:05 AM
When did submissions have to be in by? for 2011 nats? im guessing now ???. Its has only been a couple months since 2010 nats and already the 2011 nats have to be decided on. I have no issue with that its just that it sounds like the 2011 nats have been up for discussion for a few weeks to maybe a month and as of now it needs to be decided on when the last one has only just finished, so thats maybe why not many clubs have put a submission in as everyone has been winding down from the 2010 nats. If this is how far out the nats have to be pre planned/confirmed/booked then i reckon there needs to be more discussion on the 2012 nats a lot earlier to well and truely give clubs some more time to think about/plan a submission rather than last minute desperate call outs for a club to host the nats to meet the submission deadline. I realize the 2011 one will be different because of the split but once thats sorted maybe people need to be thinking further ahead to the 2012 nats a lot earlier this time?. Do submissions for each nats have to be in by may/june every year? if that is so then i reckon that thoughts/discussions on the 2012 nats need to be well under way by the start of 2011 so theres plenty of time to get things worked out for submissions to be in for the 2012 nats by may/june 2011. There may have been things going on behind the scenes for the 2011 nats i dont know, but it has only seemed like 2 months allowance on here to find a club to hold the nats. To me it seems like a better idea if the nats are held 3/4 of the way through the year around, spring time. Then after that years nats are run then there is at least a good 6 months of time for planning and getting the word out there to potential host clubs to get a submission in before closing date for the next years nats. I dont know its just my thoughts on trying to come up with a reason as to why there has been very few submissions.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 19, 2010, 08:29:15 AM
When did submissions have to be in by? Beginning May for 2011 nats? im guessing now ???. Its has only been a couple months since 2010 nats and already the 2011 nats have to be decided on.Yep the members/riders of clubs(you and I) have to submit at club level  I have no issue with that its just that it sounds like the 2011 nats have been up for discussion for a few weeks to maybe a month and as of now it needs to be decided on when the last one has only just finished, so thats maybe why not many clubs have put a submission in as everyone has been winding down from the 2010 nats.(Clubs receive correspondence and know exactly when and whats happening as mentioned above, its you and I that request our clubs to hold a Nats) If this is how far out the nats have to be pre planned/confirmed/booked then i reckon there needs to be more discussion on the 2012 nats(do it now ) a lot earlier to well and truely give clubs some more time to think about/plan a submission rather than last minute desperate call outs for a club to host the nats to meet the submission deadline. I realize the 2011 one will be different because of the split but once thats sorted maybe people need to be thinking further ahead to the 2012 nats a lot earlier this time?Yes. Do submissions for each nats have to be in by may/june every year? if that is so then i reckon that thoughts/discussions on the 2012 nats need to be well under way by the start of 2011 so theres plenty of time to get things worked out for submissions to be in for the 2012 nats by may/june 2011. There may have been things going on behind the scenes for the 2011 nats i dont know, but it has only seemed like 2 months allowance on here to find a club to hold the nats. To me it seems like a better idea if the nats are held 3/4 of the way through the year around, spring time. Then after that years nats are run then there is at least a good 6 months of time for planning and getting the word out there to potential host clubs to get a submission in before closing date for the next years nats. I dont know its just my thoughts on trying to come up with a reason as to why there has been very few submissions.Its hard work running a Nats and some just dont do Nationals

cheers  8)
Its starts with you- then the club-then Sate Controlling Body (ie MWA,MNSW,MSA etc) then it gets sent off to
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=125
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on May 19, 2010, 08:53:18 AM
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Years ago , MA always anounced  next years venue at the presentation straight  after the event .

That was a good idea.

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Its hard work running a Nats and some just dont do Nationals



I thought of that reason too. I guess its just getting too much like hard work these days?. I think that when the split occurs that will hopefully allow the nats to be 2 days only which will reduce the amount of days clubs need to get marshals for and reduce the amount of days people have to take off work.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 19, 2010, 09:12:48 AM
Logically, Easter would be 'the' weekend to do these events and 'logically' it would be best to split them into their groups as stated above.
As time goes on I think that no one will want to 'race' their rigid frames and pre units etc... as they will become far too valuable, and so they will ride HBBC etc... in demos.
It appears that since the advent of HBBC this has all gone to shit so we need to divi up and move on and race at Easter but with our chosen era of transport.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on May 19, 2010, 09:50:15 AM
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Over all I think the amount of submissions were bit lame...
What do you base "a bit lame" on Alison? I believe that the submission quota was strong and most vintage friendly states offered submissions.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 19, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
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Over all I think the amount of submissions were bit lame...
What do you base "a bit lame" on Alison? I believe that the submission quota was strong and most vintage friendly states offered submissions.

just a page back it was mentioned two clubs..shouldn't take posts as gospel should I  ;D
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on May 19, 2010, 12:45:08 PM
That sounds like a proposal That would work Wasp.

If the nats are prefered to be at easter, then i reckon that the submission date should be shifted from May till later in the year, rather than have the nats in march/april then only a month or so before the submission for the nats have to be in for the following year. Or do it as wasp says and have the announcement of the next years nats at the nats just ended. If thats the case and assuming that the 2011 nats will be at easter next year, that would mean that discussion/thoughts/submissions for the 2012 nats need to begin several months from now before the 2011 nats have even be run, which may be a little tricky as i would imagine people will want to see how this first time split goes before getting too far ahead of themselves.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 19, 2010, 12:54:15 PM
That was my proposal 18 months ago!
The only gltch in the works will be the guys/families that have 2 or 3 catagories of bikes, but I guess they will have to pick their ride for Easter eh!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: rob580 on May 19, 2010, 11:36:19 PM
Morgan Motor Cycle club decided to not pursue VMX 2011 nats.
As a invite to ride at our club day [no response]
As to converse about possible proposal [2 passionate VMX persons [SA & QLD].
Because of poor response from VMX community it was decided that commitment was a major
concern.
MMC.hopes your 2011 nats will be resolved.
If 2012 nats possible?

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 20, 2010, 08:14:13 AM
Thanks for putting it up anyway Rob, but I see where they're coming from with virtually zero support.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 25, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
Just stoking the coals. any news from MA regarding submissions?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on July 08, 2010, 08:47:40 AM
Looks like the fires gone out!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: ba-02-xr on July 10, 2010, 08:50:11 AM
Does anyone know what has happened. Are we just waiting for MA to make there decission?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on July 10, 2010, 11:29:01 AM
The fire in the belly will fire up when it gets closer, l would say. l havn`t heard anything.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: bigk on July 10, 2010, 11:53:55 AM
S.A I'm told, not sure how reliable although the application has definately been lodged I believe.
K
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on July 10, 2010, 07:56:42 PM
To the best of my knowledge there are no takers for any aspect of the 2011 event, be that MX or DT
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: sudman on July 10, 2010, 08:05:18 PM
Looks like it's NZ then guys ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: sudman on July 10, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
Yep Easter at TM Bill's place :D I will bring the Barbee
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GD66 on July 10, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
After the appalling way the 2010 vmx nats were allocated, plus the double whammy of the MA-backed HBBB occupying Easter, in spite of the tradition of the BSFoS being an Easter fixture, it's no surprise that no club is displaying any interest in hosting the nats : it's just possible they're feeling any venture toward hosting the nats will be cut off at the knees to suit a random and clandestine agenda held by MA, that's unknown to anyone outside their office. Word gets around... ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on July 10, 2010, 09:26:04 PM
William will be able to take you up the mountain Ali.....can see all the way to the West Island.....and he gets all romantic when he's high in the Alps....last time he took a woman up the mountain he proposed so you better keep an eye on him ;D....Easter in Taupo would be sweet as bro.... ;D 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on July 11, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
New Zealand will be great, l hope the new zealander have plenty of bikes, freight cost will be high.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: TM BILL on July 11, 2010, 11:48:46 AM
New Zealand will be great, l hope the new zealander have plenty of bikes, freight cost will be high.

Obviously we are not going to be allowed to run the Aussie Titles in NZ but we are running an international VMX here in Taupo next Easter possibly to be known as the Oceania VMX Titles  ;)

At this stage we are looking at running a second event the weekend before Easter if enough interest to make it a worthwhile trip.

Dave get together with your mates from Vic book a container out of melbourne and back . have it delivered to my yard or straight to the track 500m from here.
Book cheap flights , share a rental mini bus from Auckland (3 hrs drive)

The Aussie Juniors did this last year for the World Junior champs Here in Taupo, they had their containers delivered to the track .

Track has all facilites inc wash bays with gurneys so you can clean them before going home  :)


Check with WA people on how many bikes they get into a container .

NSW crew do the same out of Sydney

Qld out of Brisbane (Brad will need his own container  ;D)

WA out of perth

SA , NT and Tassie sorry im not sure .

We can drum up a number of bikes this end im sure , same with accomodation.

In reality its never cheap to race off shore but we would do all we can this end to ease the cost.

Subject to approval from other organisers no or greatly reduced entry fee for overseas riders , no licence required and free camping at track.

Hopefully a club will take on the Titles over there soon  :) but if Easter is free dont dismiss a trip this way you wont regret it  ;D



Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on July 11, 2010, 12:00:58 PM
I will see if anybody is interested
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on July 21, 2010, 10:53:45 AM
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Obviously we are not going to be allowed to run the Aussie Titles in NZ but we are running an international VMX here in Taupo next Easter possibly to be known as the Oceania VMX Titles 
Bugger....Easter for sure Bill? Bernie, Jonesy and I were considering coming over for that meeting but we've also made plans for going to the HBBB so I can run my new Benelli 650 and Maico slider as well as Alan debuting his new flat track tackle. Talk about feast or famine!

Why not hold the wedding on the same weekend to kill two birds with one stone? ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: evo550 on July 21, 2010, 05:29:08 PM
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Obviously we are not going to be allowed to run the Aussie Titles in NZ but we are running an international VMX here in Taupo next Easter possibly to be known as the Oceania VMX Titles 


Why not hold the wedding on the same weekend to kill two birds with one stone? ;D

That way you'll always remember your anniversery as well ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on July 22, 2010, 01:22:03 PM
What's with MA??
I contacted MAQ to ask for a date for next years Sidecar Spectacular which is scheduled to be here in Qld. I asked to pencil in the weekend after Easter so those that want to do HBBC could book their hols and keep on truckin' up to the sunny state, but nope-no can do-you're too early and we won't know 'till November when MA ltes them know what they have going on.!!?? :-\
The best they could offer is if I sent them an email with an 'expression of interest' they would make a note and let me know when the time came.
My question is, if we have already asked for a date then surely that would be the date and other, later bookings would come after us-isn't that how it should work??
Someone please let me know if I'm out of place here. 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: ba-02-xr on July 22, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
Hi everyone. Just to get it right at this time. There is still no word on what is happening with the Nats at all next year ??? Not even if its going to be divided into Old & Older.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on July 22, 2010, 04:25:37 PM
Didn't mention ASA till later and after they'd checked with their lawyers they said we could have what ever date we wanted :D :D
No it just seems wild to me but as Ailson says we will get last pick.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on July 23, 2010, 04:05:06 PM
paranoia, thats all it is.
The head of the Commissions is a VMX Greeves nut, even DW is a VMX fan building (I kid you not) a bike to ride.
Got nothing to do with VMX and CDT being at the end of the line but it may have a bit to do with only one aplication that has been formally submitted for a National VMX anything and a long list of other parts of the sport in general that are also considered at the same time; due process takes place every year the same way. (I know it works this way...........)
As for the MQ request for a date generally they wont look at anything unless its formally presented, suggest if you need or want the date then send in the application and Im sure it will be considered correctly. 100% sure that they are there for your benifit not to make it hard for you but there are a lot of competing interests.
211
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: ba-02-xr on July 29, 2010, 09:24:48 AM
Is there going to be a Nats next year? ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on July 29, 2010, 09:34:08 AM
Maybe not ba-02-xr by the looks of it.
We might get a bulk deal with Brad on containers and send all the sidecars to Taupo
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 270YAM on August 12, 2010, 10:57:24 PM
Still no 2011 title?
Any news?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: odd1 on August 13, 2010, 06:08:23 AM
Enjoyed your piece on another forum about your rephased engine I think others would if you posted it on this forum one question, is yours 87 or 90 degress ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 270YAM on August 20, 2010, 12:08:41 PM
Hi,
Mine is 90/270 degrees, I haven't tried 83/277 but I know a few guys who have been pleased with the result.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: rn400 on August 20, 2010, 10:07:06 PM
should be at barrabool on the thumper nats track
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 20, 2010, 10:40:28 PM
ok lets start from the beginning...........
three clubs sent submissions in.....
two for an all in VMX Nationals....
and one for pre75...
now who would you think wins ....
yes that's right the two all in vmx nationals ...
so come November we will find out the winner....
easy  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 21, 2010, 09:11:56 AM
Sounds like chook lotto
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on August 21, 2010, 09:24:40 AM
My strong belief is that the 2011 Nats will be an all in event. The split event is still a dream for the future. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Hoony on August 21, 2010, 09:34:25 AM
so which 2 clubs submitted then?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: All Things 414 on August 21, 2010, 09:58:48 AM
should be at barrabool on the thumper nats track

I don't think there's going to be much happening at Barrabool for a while. If the locals get their way.....ever. :(
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: JohnnyO on August 21, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
should be at barrabool on the thumper nats track

I don't think there's going to be much happening at Barrabool for a while. If the locals get their way.....ever. :(
That post looks like it's from Gary Adams.. doesn't he live at Geelong and would possibly know what the deal is with Barrabool?
Great track, would be fantastic to have some vintage races there.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 21, 2010, 01:08:24 PM
so which 2 clubs submitted then?


you could email   Ross Martin
E-mail Address(es):
  ross@ma.org.au

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gettinold on August 24, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
A few questions if I can?Have only been a member of this forum for a small amount of time.
As far as nationals for VMX in australia goes does MA have such a santioned event?
If not and its all to hard at the moment it is possible to have a national VMX event and have your own winner!

I have been involved in motorsport for over 20 years and have had to deal with CAMS. Our particular category CAMS did not have a santioned national championship  .We have clubs in each state and together we have organised a "Nationals " for the last 15 years.The "nationals" have been run in nearly every state ( we take in turns when possible) all run under cams as a multi club event.Winners of each catergory return home as the winner of our "national". The only difference is it worked out 1/3 of the cost yipeeee ( in CAMS fees) and CAMS dont reconise this ( SO).

Just something to think about!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 15, 2010, 09:50:19 AM
So when do we have a big media release ?
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 15, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
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As far as nationals for VMX in australia goes does MA have such a santioned event?
The very first Nationals were held by Penrith Club at Dargle in 1991. As much as we tried we couldn't get MA to sanction it as a legitimate Australian Title for numerous superficial reasons. Because MA wouldn't give their blessing for the event to be a genuine Australian Title event, Geoff Eldridge and I came up with the idea to call the meeting the Vintage Motocross Nationals (Nats for short) and run it anyway. The event was an outstanding success with 150+ entries including three overseas riders, two from NZ and one from the USA (Rick Doughty).

In 1992 'the Nats'  moved to Ravenswood in Victoria where organiser Brian Clarke had no problem getting MA to ratify the event as the first official Australian Classic Motocross Championships. MA had noted the immense popularity of the new sport so seeing the quids to be made, jumped in for their share. They didn't approve of the word 'vintage' to describe our sport and insisted on Bendigo club naming the event Classic Championship as opposed to Penriths 'Vintage Nats' but thankfully the media and racers had taken the name vintage as being representative ofr what they were doing and since that very first event, no matter what the official name for the event is, it's always referred to as the Vintage Nats by everyone involved.

I personally don't think that MA ratification for the Nats is needed at all. I think the spiralling costs of hosting the event would be greatly lessened by reverting to the 'big club day' format pioneered by Penrith club. That first Nats in '91 proved it can work and the giant success of the Annual Queens Birthday Weekend Condoblin Greybeards event between 1989 and 2000 where entry levels outnumbered the Nats almost every year added to the belief that big events can be run by small clubs. I suppose it's too late now but looking in retrospect, I think we'd have survived just fine without MA holding our hands.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: maicoman18 on September 15, 2010, 05:37:49 PM
Not knowing anything much about anything, I thought the only reason we involved MA was to use their insurance. Getting an Australian championship title just followed on from that??

Ed
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on September 19, 2010, 01:14:09 PM
Give 3 examples of were MA has helped VMX?

Firko as we know you dont need the added costs of holding the NATS to have a good vintage event.
Maybe my people should talk to your people and we resurrect the New England Classic as a Private invite black event and hold it at my place.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on September 19, 2010, 03:20:16 PM
past experience, it may be easy, but do not run black meeting, if some gets hurt, at lease you are covered bu MA, running black meeting without proper insurance not good idea and if someone gets hurt it gets very messy.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GD66 on September 19, 2010, 04:21:24 PM
 That reaction is EXACTLY how MA want you to react. But who has ever done the exercise of finding out the cost of insurance cover for a meeting ? They just say "We have massive cover and without us you're snookered." But surely insurance companies don't reject all cover enquiries merely because they're from outside MA walls? You've only got to go through the exercise of getting travel cover for an overseas trip to learn there are many ways to skin a cat.

Surely it's time to at least consider the NZ vmx model, where they told MNZ to take a jump, sorted out their own insurance, and you can turn up with no race licence, no club affiliation, fork out your $30 and race all day.

MA rely on the threat, but nobody's done the homework.... ::)

And PS : MA's alleged sensational cover has been found wanting on several occasions, particularly when things get dire...
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on September 19, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
What l am saying is, you can have any insurance wheather its MA, or NZ, or joe blow, l don`t care, but you must have some insurance when racing bikes.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: tony27 on September 19, 2010, 05:36:34 PM

Surely it's time to at least consider the NZ vmx model, where they told MNZ to take a jump, sorted out their own insurance, and you can turn up with no race licence, no club affiliation, fork out your $30 and race all day.


Unfortunately that won't be the case for much longer, ACC has gotten sick of trailrides being run with no cover at all & leaving the taxpayer to pick up the bills. Because of them we're all being tarred with the same brush & ACC are going through the process of making it illegal to run an event not having MNZ cover
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: DJRacing on September 19, 2010, 07:52:36 PM

Surely it's time to at least consider the NZ vmx model, where they told MNZ to take a jump, sorted out their own insurance, and you can turn up with no race licence, no club affiliation, fork out your $30 and race all day.


Unfortunately that won't be the case for much longer, ACC has gotten sick of trailrides being run with no cover at all & leaving the taxpayer to pick up the bills. Because of them we're all being tarred with the same brush & ACC are going through the process of making it illegal to run an event not having MNZ cover

That would be very sad news if its true, since 99% of the money raised at these trail rides goes to local schools and charities. If MNZ get hold of the money it wont be seen again.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: tony27 on September 20, 2010, 04:30:05 PM

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That would be very sad news if its true, since 99% of the money raised at these trail rides goes to local schools and charities. If MNZ get hold of the money it wont be seen again.
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From what has been said it sounds like ACC want someone to lay down a few general rules for trailrides & a permit issued.
You're right about the money going to schools etc but they pay no ACC levy for the event & each A&E visit is billed at around $1500 with helicopter rides costing even more which is what they're unhappy about.
Having spectated at the Johnny Old event I would have to say that isn't the target as it was a very well run event-better than a lot of MNZ sanctioned events but lots of the trailrides aren't, you won't find that many stewards prepared to stick their necks out to help run a trailride as when something happens theres way too much paperwork including court appearances if the worst happens
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on September 25, 2010, 10:20:18 PM
Ok, Ok. I heard a whisper from a horse that the 2011 nats will be held in SA at Port Pirie. I can't remember the date because there were a few sherbets had before, during and after the conversation. I'm also told it will be an all in affair. Maybe somebody from MA could confirm all this as gospel and give us, the riders, a chance to work out our calenders and what we will and won't be doing next year......

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 25, 2010, 11:16:16 PM
Hey Mr Hills ...my moneys on jumpin the border to South Aust @ Crystal Brook for September 2011  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on September 27, 2010, 11:25:47 AM
Thanks Mrs. Melvin.....I know its in SA somewhere. Pardon my ignorance, but where is Crystal Brook? And is it definitely on in September? Hmmmmm  :-\
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 27, 2010, 12:50:11 PM
Crystal brook is sandy loam, in amoungst the gum trees , if its prepped right it will make Cannodale look like a sheep paddock...........
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on September 28, 2010, 05:33:52 AM
would be great to see SA get them.many years since i've been there.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on September 29, 2010, 07:42:31 AM
Crystal brook is sandy loam, in amoungst the gum trees , if its prepped right it will make Cannodale look like a sheep paddock...........

Excellent. Roll on September I say......
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on September 29, 2010, 07:58:57 AM
i hope this dos'nt mean two nats in the same month?dirt track nats are aways in sept!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 29, 2010, 09:03:17 AM
Crystal brook is sandy loam, in amoungst the gum trees , if its prepped right it will make Cannodale look like a sheep paddock...........

Excellent. Roll on September I say......
save a camping spot next to you, will talk the feral photographer into going over for this one!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on September 29, 2010, 09:15:27 AM
so to promote the event, you take the piss out of Conondale, good luck!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: brent j on September 29, 2010, 09:38:07 AM
Thanks Mrs. Melvin.....I know its in SA somewhere. Pardon my ignorance, but where is Crystal Brook? And is it definitely on in September? Hmmmmm  :-\

about 200km NW Adeliade..

I can see another drive coming up..........................
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 29, 2010, 09:54:25 AM
do we have an actual date as with my employment, I need to book now to be able to get the time off.  Can feel a road trip coming on!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 29, 2010, 10:11:57 AM
do we have an actual date as with my employment, I need to book now to be able to get the time off.  Can feel a road trip coming on!!

Thats why I reckon big Classic events should be publisised early--its comonsense in such a big country  8)
no just waiting to hear from MA on dates etc..November 2010 it should be on the MA minutes somewhere.
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 29, 2010, 10:31:28 AM
I'll be there ....all going well. The 99 Nats in Pirie were great with the biggest lot of quick locals you could imagine. It's a prick of a drive from almost anywhere but at least you can stop in and pay homage at the serial killer Mecca Snowtown on the way.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 29, 2010, 10:56:01 AM
Just working on the feral photographer now, nice road trip with the camper, photo's of wild flowers and fauna on the nullabor, she can count the trees.  Stop and let her take piccies of the great freeezing Bight and the occassional white tip that i'll tell her is a whale.  Historical stops like the balladonia pub, Border village pub, ceduna pub, can't but wonder at the amazing Port Auguttter, at 100kms hr.   MMMM I wonder if she'll let me go alone will be bored shitless by then.  Oh look dear another bloody wildflower!!!

Ah well she does take some brilliant MX photo's and loves it so might be on a winner, because therer are wineries within 100kms!! that will definitely take her interest!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 29, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
so to promote the event, you take the piss out of Conondale, good luck!

you guys are just way to serious, lighten up FFS
everything not all about QLD and NSW........

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on September 29, 2010, 03:10:06 PM
sorry freaky, you could of just said what a great track, simple, you dont need to compare it to anything, just say it's a top track, and move on.

sounds like your the one with sour grapes,

Cheers Worms, serious, you calling moi serious.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: All Things 414 on September 29, 2010, 03:27:11 PM
You're headin' down that path again worms....... ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 29, 2010, 03:50:21 PM
Just working on the feral photographer now, nice road trip with the camper, photo's of wild flowers and fauna on the nullabor,

or we could just take a break down @ the beach on the great aussie white sandy bight  ;D  ;)  ;D
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/WeymouthMotoX-62_061008.jpg)
and dont forget to pack one of these little babys     :D
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Motorcycle-/250678589613?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a5d9bb8ad

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 29, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
doesn't quite look like the Bight, normally the track sddown is 200ft straight down!  like rock!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 29, 2010, 05:20:27 PM
doesn't quite look like the Bight, normally the track sddown is 200ft straight down!  like rock!!

ah that's why the feral photograpy wants you to stop and smell the flowers..cause you'll missed the dunes to play in- this side of Eucla border.. 8)
Anyway looks like I let the cat out of the bag to early on the Nats location.  :-X  :-\ ..just dont tell anyone else for a few weeks !!  :-X  ::)
cheers

edit spell check  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 29, 2010, 05:31:59 PM
known about it for awhile!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: marshallmech on September 29, 2010, 09:13:17 PM
I dont normally comment on posts here but who cares where it is as long as its on.
Thats the problem with the Vmx movement some people think that one track or year of bike
or one state is the be all and end all and f*** everything else. For F*** sake grow up!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 29, 2010, 09:33:32 PM
I dont normally comment on posts here but who cares where it is as long as its on.
Thats the problem with the Vmx movement some people think that one track or year of bike
or one state is the be all and end all and f*** everything else. For F*** sake grow up!!!!!!

why all the agro..we are just discussing a dream road trip to VMX ??
Weather its Bidgedanga or Duranillian from Conondale to Crystal Brook- gives the whole of Oz a fair suck of the sauce bottle.  ;D  :P
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: marshallmech on September 29, 2010, 09:43:27 PM
VMX 247 I was referring to the posts put up by Worms I think its greatt that it will be in SA I will be there for sure.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 29, 2010, 09:48:26 PM
VMX 247 I was referring to the posts put up by Worms I think its greatt that it will be in SA I will be there for sure.

cool banana's...worms and crew can get a seacontainer happening or big bad brad's trailer  ;D
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on September 30, 2010, 10:01:59 AM
Crystal brook is sandy loam, in amoungst the gum trees , if its prepped right it will make Cannodale look like a sheep paddock...........

Excellent. Roll on September I say......
save a camping spot next to you, will talk the feral photographer into going over for this one!!

Geez I don't know about camping near you Baz.....I do need my power naps from time to time ya know! Christine is welcome though!!!!


I dont normally comment on posts here but who cares where it is as long as its on.
Thats the problem with the Vmx movement some people think that one track or year of bike
or one state is the be all and end all and f*** everything else. For F*** sake grow up!!!!!!

why all the agro..we are just discussing a dream road trip to VMX ??
Weather its Bidgedanga or Duranillian from Conondale to Crystal Brook- gives the whole of Oz a fair suck of the sauce bottle.  ;D  :P
cheers


Christ....not the sauce bottle again  ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 30, 2010, 12:52:56 PM
Spoke to the guy thats organising this morning, he says they just wanted to do another Nationals and put there had up ( they normally do modern, trials and sidecars) they dont have much experiance with what a Classic bike is so if you want any imput into into format, racing classes and so on now is the time to start thinking about it before they look at putting in the supp regs etc.

I think Alison is all over this one, but i have arranged a meeting with the guy in 2 weeks when he is down here and will give him both Tassie and Broadfords programs so he can get a feel for what sort of layout we like to run, but they seem keen to understand what vintage is and wants.

It appears to be set for after fathers day but before the Grand final to help you Mexicans out.

There is camping at that track and i think only some motels in crystal brook, but port piries is only 20 mins up the road and they would have unlimited motels style stuff there.

The track is an all natural terrain, sandy loan and free draining.  IF i could transfer it down to my back padddock it would be heaven, they also have awsome moto trial tracks out there , might even be a good spot to consider for a CD ? unless its been locked in for eternaty In Qld.....  will post some phots when i can find one

I think this could be a hummm dinger if we can steer the committee to VMX needs and get the dialogue going early and support them they would be keen to listen it think and we would end up with our own custominsed Perfect event.

Alison, once its announced ( i heard  24th oct) maybe we can start a new thread and help these guys out by getting some info for them, even get them a list of riders so they can do what grassy did and send out expressions of attending  etc ?

This could be a bloody ripper of an event.  IF they built it they will come.  id say you would hget near 30 Sa riders you have never even seen before, even the old A graders might come out for a punch, Ray Robie, Don bowey, tony cooke etc i know they still have fast bikes tucked away.  unfortunatly i think there honda's but that OK i guess.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: STW996 on September 30, 2010, 01:57:21 PM
Crystal brook is sandy loam, in amoungst the gum trees , if its prepped right it will make Cannodale look like a sheep paddock...........

Well Freaky it is a cow padock not Sheep actually.

Got to go with Trev on this no need to slang off at a venue that is as good as it is (talk to Hoony and his dog about this?)

There is a lot more to a nationals than "just the venue" we had dedicated track marshalls, great officals, a club (the Sunshine coast club that run the Cow paddock) and a bloke like Trev that gave up every spare minute he had for 6 months to get the event to be a success!

Great accommodation all round (including camping), lost of sponsors (as you will need these for the cost of putting it on).

Maybe you can stick up your hand for this Freaky and show us all how it is done as you are big on telling us how good it can be, As we here in Queensland did!

That said it will be good for the event to go to SA and I wish you every success if it comes off.

Count me in if you have pre 85 as a class!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on September 30, 2010, 02:10:27 PM
I would like to see the Vintage Motocross National 2011 to held in South Australia,Barossa Valley
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 30, 2010, 02:43:07 PM
I would like to see the Vintage Motocross National 2011 to held in South Australia,Barossa Valley

wELL ITS BLOODY CLOSE TOO IT DAVID., infact you can  drive through the Barossa on ya way...

RE: OTHER........  I Didnt SLAG ANYTHING OFF, you guys in Qld are just far too precious ...........  just read in the intent its posted, its just saying it could be a track as good or not better than the current benchmark...  and all of a sudden you guys are arced up about how good your marshalls are, sponsors and who put in all this work ??  WTF 

If you guys get that defensive over nothing, gees im thinking that wall was a good idea whoever suggesed it. There definately putting something angry in ya water..... ::)

This Whole Qld- NSw shit is out of control, the east coast its not the centre of the universe guys, infact there not even the capital of australia............. there is life outside and it it goes on just fine.

Relax......
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: suzuki43 on September 30, 2010, 03:04:57 PM
DISCLAIMER THE FOLLOWING IS AN ATTEMPT TO DIFFUSE TENSION WITH HUMOUR!!!

Ladies and gentleman its mano on mano here on the Forum today.
In the vertically challenged Maroon Corner we have  Mr Frodo the South east Queensland mad Dog,versus that heaving mass of muscle in the Blue corner:  the famous South Australian Man Child; Freaky!!

No gouging or low blows men!!!

I reckon you are both wrong its in NZud where we have the best sheep paddocks (not to mention the dead sexy inhabitants of the paddocks,for the after match function)...
PS My Dads a policeman xx
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 30, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
it must be that time of the month - I ready freaky's comment as a compliment to Conondale - as said apprently Conondale was the benchmark we aspire to - I certainly didn't read it as an insult.

No there's something - me agreeing with freaky.

C'mon guys - if you guys have put a much effort into the Conondale Nats as you say (and there is no doubt of that as we know what you went through) then you should be aware of what freaky and the guys have in front of them and I am sure Freaky is just starting the battle to help out.

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 30, 2010, 04:59:56 PM
JUst to be clear, i have nothing to do with this Nats.   

All i know is the club hosting it said they want to understand Vintage and have no idea what vintage is or require ATM.

I think if we get off our asses and help them this could be a allmighty good event as its already got an excellant track.   If this modern club and all it volunteers from at least 3 other locals clubs are willing to put all that effort required to host a VMX nationals for our benifit ( its not there's as they have no interst in vintage) then we should be going out of our way offer the next 6 months to send them every bit of info , templates, paperwork on everythign that works, wont work or could be tried.  so all they have to do is prepare us an sweet track.

REad it for what im saying, lets help these guys put on an event we want it run like, that means you can have a bloody good thing if we want it to be, if we dont well we wont get a chance to complain to anyone other than ourselves and other non vintage clubs are going to be less likely to put there hand up and help us out make a NAtional event if we dont do what we can to support them behind the scenes.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on September 30, 2010, 05:53:13 PM
Dear freaky

Shame your not on the committee for the nats, my point was simple, nothing more nothing less, you dont need to compare any event to any other event, the SA event will be unquie in it's own right and the track will be the best the club can do, the only one to mention Qld or Nsw was yourself, why?

your last reply is more intune to someone wanting to help, good, try keeping it that way.

As with the last clubs proposal to run the Nats for 2011, I was one of 2 people to offer them help anyway i can, but they still felt let down by their own state VMXers,

What are you going to do to help? other than rant on here.

1st, try just worrying about promoting the event for it's own merit.

Again, I will assist if asked, no problems.

Cheers Worms
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: STW996 on September 30, 2010, 06:12:47 PM
Freaky and Marshallmech you are the blokes arcing up not us.

Freaky I was pointing out (as Trev has above) the venue has little to do with it unless people are willing to work to have the event go off, so I will be glad to see you and Marshallmech put your hands up to help.

One thing I will say about Trev, he can backup what he is saying on this forum, 200 rides and 350 bikes can't be wrong. (what was the count at the MA run Broadford?)

No, us and them freaky, just people that enjoy all classes of VMX and post VMX be it in any state of Australia!

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GMC on September 30, 2010, 08:29:20 PM
it must be that time of the month - I ready freaky's comment as a compliment to Conondale - as said apprently Conondale was the benchmark we aspire to - I certainly didn't read it as an insult.

No there's something - me agreeing with freaky.

C'mon guys - if you guys have put a much effort into the Conondale Nats as you say (and there is no doubt of that as we know what you went through) then you should be aware of what freaky and the guys have in front of them and I am sure Freaky is just starting the battle to help out.

Rossco


Agreeing with Freaky is one thing but it gets really scary when I find myself agreeing with Rossco

Freaky’s comment that…
“Crystal brook is sandy loam, in amoungst the gum trees , if its prepped right it will make Cannodale look like a sheep paddock...........”
may or may not be a gross exaggeration of the circumstances at Crystal Brooks but I don’t see it as slagging off at Conondale either.

He’s not saying Conondale is a sheep paddock, he’s implying that Crystal Brooks has the potential to be better.

Conondale has often been put up as some sort of benchmark (it was an excellent venue and event) so it’s only natural it will be brought up for comparisons from time to time.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: marshallmech on September 30, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
so to promote the event, you take the piss out of Conondale, good luck!
STW996 freaky said that crystal brooke was good and compared it to conondale
and then worms comes out with this thats what Im pissed about.
As for helping Ive been an official at both HBBB and a committe member of Viper for the past
4 years I help out as much as possible.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on October 01, 2010, 08:55:52 AM
And you lot wonder why MA was formed........All this bitch slapping about who said what about what venue is just plain childish guys. We, as a collective group of VMXers, need to work together in a positive light and do our best to promote our sport. Afterall, everything we do should be for the betterment of our sport.

If the SA crew running the 2011 nats are in need of some guidance from the clubs that have run the titles before, then that should be the main focus of our intent, not slanging back and forth over who said what.

Connondale 2009 was a terrific event and ran like clockwork until the crash on sunday moning that reduced all the following races to 2 laps. I don't know what could be done there to avoid having the hold up again. Maybe 2 ambo's??? Im not sure that even having 2 ambo's would help when a helicopter ride is needed. The only other down side was the fact that there was no ammenities for us interstate riders to wash our bikes and gear. This is particularly important for the WA lot as everything gets inspected at the border and or shipping yard. Anything that is found to be carrying soil across the border means a hefty bill for those involved.

Broadford 2010 was held way too soon in the year for any interstate competitors in my view. As a matter of fact, even the mexicans were poor in numbers. Other than that, apart from the slop and the piss poor ammenities, it was a good event with some excellent races. Shame MV doesn't spend some money on maintaining and improving what is an excellent motorcycling venue.....

I know this will open up a whole new can of worms (no punn intended Worms!) but I really do feel that somehow the genres need to be seperated. Wether that be pre78 one day and pre85 the next, I don't know, but trying to ride a suspension challenged bike through half metre deep braking bumps is not a pleasant excersise.... Don't get me wrong, I will be there regardless of how the format is put together. I'm just looking for ways that we can improve our movement as a whole.

Thats me over and out!!!



Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on October 01, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
WANTED
An unwanted/spare Classic Nationals program which ran all class's/eras.  1965-1985.  8)
eg:Conondale,Ranch,Tasmania or Broadford.
cheers and thanks

Where do you want it sent to Alison? I can dig one out for the cause  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on October 01, 2010, 09:28:28 AM
you are right GMC, but the point is to stop this bullshit about your club or bike is better than mine, there are so many great tracks and clubs in australia, I am a proud memmber of the vmx scence, so when folks choose to refer to other venues as a "sheep paddock" when we all know it's a cow paddock, it just shows their us and them mentality, in saying that, not only does it show very little respect to the hosting club, the last thing they want is to be compared to is an event held 2 years ago,
Nothing like putting these folks under pressure hey.
so if Freaky and Marshall are so missunderstood, maybe they need to let the organisers and hosting club know of their willingness to be the promoters.

have a great day you guys

                                                                                                              
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
NO probs trev, I spoke to the guy today and put my hand up to help were i can.

MAybe you can help by sending all the info about what worked at your nats and what didnt so we can build a knowledge base, will do the same for broadford.

Any opinios wanted even concerns from previous events so at least we can inform this committee what to expect and how to build onto better events which is really the point of here......

even alison point is valid, i never give much thought to ambos but if they only have 1 at the statiomn that cover 200KM we could be waiting all day for backup, so that first point on th elist of must cross issues. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 090 on October 01, 2010, 02:22:04 PM
The old boys want age groups in respective cc class in pre 75. Not an all in (capacity) age group. I heard that quite a bit in the lead up to Broadford.
And PLEASE consider having the early classes on the Saturday and the later on the Sunday.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 01, 2010, 02:33:30 PM
The old boys want age groups in respective cc class in pre 75. Not an all in (capacity) age group. I heard that quite a bit in the lead up to Broadford.
And PLEASE consider having the early classes on the Saturday and the later on the Sunday.

have forwarded on...I'm not sending anymore info for a few months now ,as Qld/Vic and Freaky have come forward with info sent to postal address.....anymore and this guy is gonna make a run for it.. ;D  ;D
ooppps and I haven't mentioned sidecars, as he's still trying to get his head around older solo bikes.  8)
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 02:50:33 PM
The old boys want age groups in respective cc class in pre 75. Not an all in (capacity) age group. I heard that quite a bit in the lead up to Broadford.
And PLEASE consider having the early classes on the Saturday and the later on the Sunday.

you mean ealry classes as in pre 75 ? and pre 85 in the arvo's ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on October 01, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
Things in the pipeline allready Freaky, and yes Allison, we dont want to scare him just yet. just PM me with any questions Freaky, and dont mention sheep 8)

Cheers Worms,  
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 03:02:10 PM
This is the track in the last few years ( yes its been dry but they have water for the track)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/a4-3.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/a8-3.jpg)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/a6-3.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/a93.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 03:11:32 PM
It has a natural amputheatre viewing so great for spectators of the whole track from the grass mound.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/a1-7.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/93-5.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/7-9.jpg)

More of the track its wide enough to funnel 40 bikes
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa287/freerider_aust/leehscb.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/9-8.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/6-10.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/3-10.jpg)

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa287/freerider_aust/230cb.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 03:12:20 PM
Start gate..... how this for a start gate ..........40 gate down hill start into a left hand corner,  so you can use those rear drum brakes !

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/a9-6.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 03:18:41 PM
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/a999.jpg)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w262/Aaryn234/a9993.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 01, 2010, 03:35:49 PM
Nice looking track...what a ripper..  :P   :P   Thanks Freaky
Steven just mentioned also hope for a proposed race order.
This has been mententioned before on Nats topics,,so the guys can make a choice on what bikes to take...hope someone from MA is reading this  ;)  :)   oh well all in good time  ;D
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
i ALREADY MENTION TO HIM NO BACK TO BACK PRE 75 CLASSES AS THATS THE BULK OF THE RIDERS.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 01, 2010, 03:58:25 PM
i ALREADY MENTION TO HIM NO BACK TO BACK PRE 75 CLASSES AS THATS THE BULK OF THE RIDERS.

you wish or ya just want a real smooth track  :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 04:04:41 PM
i ALREADY MENTION TO HIM NO BACK TO BACK PRE 75 CLASSES AS THATS THE BULK OF THE RIDERS.

you wish or ya just want a real smooth track  :D

Well if 70% of the riders are doing pre 75, its a bit much to ask them to have to tackle back to back races all day.

Not sure walter,  will ask the question in 2 weeks time when i meet the guy.  I would assume they will run a full Solo and sidecar pre 85 Nationals like all the other years.

They already Run ASA sidecar rounds there so its big enough to take a few chairs wide, and the reports back are the side car guys luv it.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on October 01, 2010, 09:46:43 PM
Looks like an awesome track Freaky.....when did you start using number 127?..... ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on October 01, 2010, 10:21:26 PM
more photos

http://www.inmotionphotography.ifp3.com/#/gallery/c-brook-chairs/
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on October 01, 2010, 10:24:37 PM
Random thoughts:

1. Seperating the eras (pre-78 vs Evo+) will be well recieved.
2. Run the eras seperately, with the earlier bikes going first.
3. Don't post up photos of moderns getting mega-air because it scares lots of people.
4. Make a big fuss about natural terrain/old bike friendly.
5. Camping at the track? Facilities?
6. Event T-shirts are well recieved (NFI if they make financial sense for the orgainser, though).
7. Event programme should be kept fluid for as long as possible, to minimise back-to-back races. Generally, the punters will be able to identify problems (and their solutions) better than any non-competitor can (like Brad did last time).
8. If you can give the punters more than the minimum two laps practice, they'll appreciate it.
9. Age races make people happy.
10. Remember that there's no real sponsorship in VMX. We're a mile away from the modern MX titles in attitude, and riding skill (on average).
11. If races have to be combined due to insufficent entries, then look at sensible options across eras, rather than just across capacities (like putting Evo 125s & Pre-85 125s together , rather than just jamming both into the already well-subscribed Evo 250 & Pre-85 250). And inform people as early as possible, so they can leave bikes at home/hassle mates into entering/whatever.

I'm keen.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 01, 2010, 10:52:24 PM
Good summation Nat. cheers will pass it all on.  the table top is long and low and is in there for the modern rounds, im sure they can make the track as flat or as interesting as we ask for. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: pirie593 on October 04, 2010, 06:32:56 PM
A September date would clash with Farleigh Castle if any-one was thinking of riding over there. 

There is already talk of a container being available to transport bikes (30) similar to what they do for the ISDE and the Farleigh event organisers would supply a marquee for the Aussie contingent.

Container transport takes about 6 weeks, so a June or early July date would be OK, leaving enough time to send bikes to UK.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on October 04, 2010, 07:56:21 PM
September/october is always a very busy time of year in SA for Motorcycle events. Theres the Bay to Birdwood, the motorcycle only swapmeet, SA state VMX titles, TT/XT 500 Muster and the ASA usually has a big meet around that time, and theres possibly a few other events too. I remember last year that there was something motorcycle related on at this time of the year for quite a few weekends in a row. To be honest i cant see anywhere where it will slot in and not clash with something and affect someone.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FourstrokeForever on October 07, 2010, 05:06:06 PM
If we (vmx/classic) are going to be around for a few more years, I think its probably time to think about having a permanent set date for the Nationals.Or at least for the next two years.
Whats the reason behind it.?
I know its in a different state each year.8)
cheers

Absolutely spot on Alison.

Like you said in an earlier post, hopefully someone from MA will read through all the thoughts here and do some work on making the movement as huge as it could be.
 
From what I understand, the commitee cannot state official business on internet forums and the like, for whatever the reason(s) might be. Most likely a rule from the top of the MA tree.

Being the beaurocratic animal the MA is, we need a submission tendered so that the commitee can address the idea. It wouldn't hurt to submit a proposed date either, but that would require alot of research into whats happening where and when. I realise ya can't please everybody but IF WE can at least try to negotiate our way through all the relevant club calenders, I think we might be able to please MOST of us vintage racers. 

Maybe if we could get ALL the clubs from each state involved in the classic/VMX/dirt track/sidecars to register their race/meeting calenders in the one place, like a dedicated forum on here for example, that would make the process alot more simple. That's presumming someone from every club is on OZVMX  :-\

Trying to avoid a clash of dates with The Classic Motocross Nationals and other non VMX related events is not really an issue as far as I see it, BUT having a clash with the likes of The Dirt Track Nats etc is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 07, 2010, 06:11:57 PM
yep locking in a set date has its good and bad points..Flexability is always a bonus for VMX National hosting clubs,especially if they are only a new club to the discipline.
VMX Nationals is relatively new,(4/5 years ?) so is still evolving as are the future era's.
The Nationals we have had, with all eras have been useful in getting MA and our class's orgainised,we can only move forward from here,like wise in vmx club communications.
No reason not too ! with all the techoknologee we have now days---Sykping with MA   ;D  8)
If a vmx club can make a good relationship with another club this would only help in the long run..More people more power..  :P
Though we have been through all these discussions before about class's and venues etc, we will just have to rely on our clubs talking the talk and placing more submissions on the table when they arise to MA.
We haven't got any other controlling body-better the devil you know- isnt it !  ;D
Just imagine if we could have a yearly committee meeting of all oz vmx club presidents--ahhh for the vmx dream world.  8)

quote:::like a dedicated forum--thats us so far  ;D

cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: tony27 on October 07, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
Having a set weekend for the nationals is always a good idea, preferably a national holiday weekend as it is always the same time. Our trials nationals have been run at labour weekend for years, it's a 3 day weekend at a good time weatherwise. That way you can plan at least a year ahead for it
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on October 07, 2010, 07:21:16 PM
not putting the cart before the horse are we Al?  We have only just got somebody (apparently) to volunteer for next year and we are talking about locking in dates for the following year.  I would of thought the hosting club would suggest the dates suitable for them and until you get a hosting club this isn't going to happen.  An independent body like MA maybe able to say HBBB can be here but if you say weekend such and such of July 2012 is when the Nats will be that year - who is going to run it?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GMC on October 07, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
And PLEASE consider having the early classes on the Saturday and the later on the Sunday.

I beleive that was the game plan for Broadford, to have the early classes in the mornings with the later classes in the arvo and then clean the track up overnight.
I believe the problem was that they ended up with too many back to back classes and had to use some later classes to seperate events.

Either way that old saying pops up.
You can please some of the people some of the time....


A set date would be convenient but it's really up to the hosting club to set the date that suits them.
Any decent club would have other events on the go and then different states have different weather seasons to work around
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 08, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
I'm prity sure the 2011 date is going to be locked in as the 9/10/11 of sept 2011, or whats ever the weekend after fathers day is ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on October 08, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
Father's Day is always the first Sunday in September.

So the weekend after can't be later than 13/9/11.



Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 08, 2010, 03:35:19 PM
Nope definately the 9 -10-11 OF Sept.  Lock that in.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 08, 2010, 03:56:03 PM
Hoping to speak to darryl willy, tony oconner, ray robinson, greg toyama, Fran, Bowey etc etc and see if they wanna come play too they still come into pitmans ....  see if we can get some of these old school racers out there for a punch around as they all still have the bikes ready to go.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on October 09, 2010, 07:38:43 AM
Hi Freaky

all the info i had regarding the nationals from 2009 has been sent to Graeme, supp regs, race order and class's as set out by MA ( not pie in the sky stuff) the sponorship structure with a copy of the program for the event and some other info, my full contact details have been sent as well for any further questions.

Cheers Worms
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on October 17, 2010, 10:19:18 AM
So are the Nats next year in SA for sure?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 17, 2010, 10:26:42 AM
So are the Nats next year in SA for sure?

95% sure to be publicly released end of October--get ya pre65 bike ready  :P   :P   ;D
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Slakewell on October 17, 2010, 06:15:57 PM
Sadly I dont have enought time these day's to do a SA nat's, If you get it good luck.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 19, 2010, 03:03:19 PM
 Its on.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on October 19, 2010, 03:06:02 PM
have your MOM's ready Freaky! ;D


cheers trev
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 19, 2010, 03:58:04 PM
IM just the publicity guy ............ 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 19, 2010, 06:16:38 PM
have your MOM's ready Freaky! ;D
cheers trev
IM just the publicity guy ............ 

It alright worms..we'll keep the eligibilty clean and spot on during the pre Nats process.  ::)  ;D  ;)
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 21, 2010, 02:48:03 PM
A September date would clash with Farleigh Castle if any-one was thinking of riding over there. 

There is already talk of a container being available to transport bikes (30) similar to what they do for the ISDE and the Farleigh event organisers would supply a marquee for the Aussie contingent.

Container transport takes about 6 weeks, so a June or early July date would be OK, leaving enough time to send bikes to UK.

Chris i thought you would be a Given starter for the CB event ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 21, 2010, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Freakshow on Yesterday at 10:08:11 PM
While were on it anyone go any good leads on GRANTS ? if we can get onto some of them no smoking, be fit for old folks etc we can get the cost down or offset so the enties are cheaper.


Freaky shit load of Grants out there ..Smoking and healthy eating are a good start..
MSA should have all the links available,its a fair bit of paper work to complete.
Like I said heeps of money handed out by different departments.

Office for Recreation & Sport SA
Sport & Active Recreation; Grants & Scholarships; Training & Support; SA Sports Institute (SASI); What's On Where? About Us. for Associations & Clubs ...

Executive Staff - News & Results - Talent Search - News
www.recsport.sa.gov.au/

Community and Society - GrantsLINK
28 Aug 2006 ... The Australian Sports Commission is the Australian Government body that .... SA Grants Directory. The Grants Directory offers easy access to ...
www.grantslink.gov.au › Find a Grant

quote from DT Nats==We received a MNSW CIGS (club infurstructure grant scheme)grant this year to re furbish our toilet block with a total cost $10180.00 MNSW put $5000.00 towards it.
 A club can only apply for one every second year. It was a great help to get the grant approved as we all pay rider levies,licence fees ect, but at the least we got something back for our club through the CIGS scheme.
 MNSW will match your grant application up to $5000.00 for a feasible purpose.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: pirie593 on October 22, 2010, 01:41:13 PM
Chris i thought you would be a Given starter for the CB event ?

Freaky, the last time I raced in an Australian Championship was 1994 at Crystal Brook....and I ruptured my anterior cruciate in practice and was out of racing for over 10 years ... maybe I'm just too scared to go back there  :)  :)  :)

Naturally I will be there if I don't get permission to return to Farleigh Castle from the auditor general  :o  :o  :o

In a perfect world, I would have been able to attend both  ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 22, 2010, 02:16:19 PM
CB -Graeme,  told me your a sure thing............... dont fight it, its calling you.....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: pirie593 on October 22, 2010, 06:32:40 PM
The track will be fantastic.  The surface always comes up really well; bit of a mixture of river loam and clay.  And the elevation changes are rare in this state....mmmmm seems like I'm talking myself into it.  Maybe I can do both  :o  :o  :o  :o  Just to keep you and Graeme happy.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 25, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
See new post !
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 25, 2010, 04:48:57 PM
Quote;The committee wanted to give every one this, over 12 months notice, so you have no excuse for not making travel plans, work holiday planning, family begging and getting in the shed and building some bikes.

Good news for a BIG vmx country.  :P   8)

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on October 25, 2010, 05:17:52 PM
so It's now the end of October, I still don't know hen to book my holidays as I don'y have a date for the event and it's less than 12 months!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on October 25, 2010, 05:21:09 PM
Quote
See new post !

Where?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 25, 2010, 06:58:16 PM
Quote
See new post !

Where?

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=15670.0

Freaky ..some people are going to want to see it on the MSA website..do you know when they are going to release it on there ??
cheersw
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 25, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
im sure it will at some time, but  its on the list of things.

 and really its only a release of the dates and the location, shouldnt stop you booking you accomadation

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 25, 2010, 08:25:28 PM
9-10-11 sept - you count the months, its however many :)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: JohnnyO on October 25, 2010, 08:34:29 PM
9-10-11 sept - you count the months, its however many :)
1 week before Farleigh Castle Vets MXDN.. will be a stretch to get to both!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 25, 2010, 11:08:18 PM
shouldnt stop you booking you accomadation
At this point in time we are driving over and holidaying,so camping at all stops  8)

Is it just a freakshow ?

ya gotta pay that one Freaky... ;D  by the way are you two going to go hammer and tongs for the next 11 months on this forum until the big Classic Nationals @ Crystal Brook  ::)  ;D ?
cheers A


Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 25, 2010, 11:50:18 PM
Not sure about the hammer or the toungues. but you'd better be finding or making me 3 more pre 68 sidecars from over that way....  or else.

officials when approved will be in the supp regs walter, you will have months to make up your mind what your doing.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 25, 2010, 11:53:03 PM
Your call johnny............
9-10-11 sept - you count the months, its however many :)
1 week before Farleigh Castle Vets MXDN.. will be a stretch to get to both!

Your call johnny............ be there or be square.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: pirie593 on October 26, 2010, 09:29:46 AM

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1 week before Farleigh Castle Vets MXDN.. will be a stretch to get to both!
[/quote]

Unfinished business ??????????????  8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on October 26, 2010, 09:31:06 AM
Wasn't the pre 68 sidecar wicker and is it approved by MA or too much of a fire hazzard?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 26, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
but you'd better be finding or making me 3 more pre 68 sidecars from over that way....  or else.
I only know of three and two of these haven't been out of the shed for two or more years.People get busy doing there own thing.  :)
I'll hassle the outfit owners after the AGM next week  8)

Wasn't the pre 68 sidecar wicker and is it approved by MA or too much of a fire hazzard?

funny ha ha EML..,dont forget these where the foundations of your pre 85   ;D  ;)   
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on October 26, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
At this point in time we are driving over and holidaying,so camping at all stops  8)
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looks like we might be foiming a wagon train from the West!! yeehaaa!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 26, 2010, 01:56:14 PM
(http://ozsidecarx.com.au/images/gallery/pre68.jpg)

think wicker would be safer, not sure i'd like that torpedo chair in my back  :-X
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 26, 2010, 02:05:04 PM
ahh grass track  8)
Very universal back in the day-guarante there is a headlight under that #76 plate  ;)  ;D
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: pirie593 on October 26, 2010, 07:03:23 PM
Maybe its time to get out another Australian Championship winning machine

(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss106/pirie593/IMG_1881.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Curly3 on October 26, 2010, 07:24:02 PM
Just an observation, coming from an old Dirt Tracker, I thought it was in the MA guidlines that the MX nationals had to be held earlier in the year and the DT titles in September.
Given that it looks like the DT's will be held in Brisbane, it will be a busy time of year for some and will more than likely take some numbers away from each event. 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 26, 2010, 09:08:46 PM
MY understanding is its been granted to the title first approved.  They cant wait just incase som other club decides to run an event or what time of year they pick.  I think MA needs to start planing there calanders on a first in basis so dates can be locked in as far in advance as posible so people can get organised whilst not penalisinf any club that has put there hand up to take on an event, just because it has always been means nothing, look at the HBB and the Mx nats this year they were to close together, MA needs to stop letting dates be approved just becasue they are, then finding they clash with other events in the same month.  Only smart calander approvals by one body should be made to ensure national and state events dont cross over and steal from each other, Time of year should also be based on the discipline and the weather - wet, fire bans and so on.   You cant hold dates open for a period in the year just because another dicsipline might put in a submission to host it.  I think its best they approve them and publish an online calander so all clubs can plan around them as they are approved by NCB and ScB
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on October 27, 2010, 06:28:37 AM
The dirt track nats does not have to be in September any more this rule has been removed from the GCRs so for maybe for the first time for a long time the CDT nats may well be before the CMX nats next year. Like Freaky said it is hard to keep the calendar open with all the events on now days

cheers
Fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on November 08, 2010, 01:02:46 AM
306 more sleeps   :D   ::)   :P   ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 20, 2010, 11:22:28 PM
Went up to Cb today ( 2 -1/2 hours) sussed out the track, they made some changes by flattening out jumps etc, MY TM loved it, think i rode it more today around there than in the last 2 years ( 1 full tank juice). 

ANy how Some issues more do do with minor things, but if they take them onboard this is going to be awesome, been a long time since i just ejoyed ridding.

We used 2 uphill/ down hll sections, they took out  jumps and rolled them into elevation changes and the corners are radiused more now, still they are going to re align the track for there modern series but i think we can easily switch it back to a really nice scramble sstyle lay out.    LIke i said only track i have been interested in riding around on for fun for a long time. and this club is bending over backwards to make it right for us. 

GOing to Need more toliets and showers anyone got sponsorships or a heads up on cheap units to hire ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 20, 2010, 11:48:23 PM
YOU know, does anyone know any one who does that stuff cheaper as a sponser or has access to them semi trailer type blocks ?  there not cheap to hire.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on November 28, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
By 11.30am lunch time today, I had 7 very interested road crew travellers heading across for September 2011.  :P
Being 2400km from Perth city,,its not a long haul  8)
http://www.ozvmx.com/Crystal%20brook%20intro.doc
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: popeye on November 28, 2010, 09:08:01 PM
Meet ya there Alison sounds like fun :D :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: brent j on November 28, 2010, 10:20:52 PM
By 11.30am lunch time today, I had 7 very interested road crew travellers heading across for September 2011.  :P
Being 2400km from Perth city,,its not a long haul  8)
http://www.ozvmx.com/Crystal%20brook%20intro.doc

Count in a couple from Darwin too.

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 02, 2010, 11:35:37 PM
Freaky - stop biting - you are only hurting your own reputation which as a "promoter" of next years Nats you don't want to do  ::)

Just let it go through to the keeper eh!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on December 03, 2010, 02:48:04 PM
yeah Freaky, he's been bowling all of us googlies for years, just let it go.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on December 03, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
By 11.30am lunch time today, I had 7 very interested road crew travellers heading across for September 2011.  :P
Being 2400km from Perth city,,its not a long haul  8)
http://www.ozvmx.com/Crystal%20brook%20intro.doc

Did you tick me off for the wagon train
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on December 03, 2010, 05:18:07 PM
Count on at least one overseas entry , well tas is overseas lol. holidays booked , most of the bikes running, never ridden in sa and looking forward to it .   
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 03, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
and the same goes for you Mr Wasp - give over eh!  Can we not put our personal, negative opinions in a box and all enjoy this forum.  This thread is for info about the Nats - not to be a personal drum.

Make love - not war  ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 03, 2010, 07:45:00 PM
well obviously my message worked!

 :-[
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on December 03, 2010, 09:12:18 PM
Count on at least one overseas entry , well tas is overseas lol. holidays booked , most of the bikes running, never ridden in sa and looking forward to it .  

Great news IAn.  We are able to take shipping containers if anyone needs to ship lots a bikes, also there is a massive shed onsite if you have to reassemble any bikes transported over in bits, Any of you guy from NZ coming and need a hjad with logistics fire away.  We would really like to see and many people able to make the journey and enoy 3 days of good old fun.  The Guys at CB have a transport company as a sponsor i belive so they have equiptment to load unload and maybe, maybe assit will collection from an adelaide depot.  ANyone need a HAND ? SPEAK UP NOW EVEN IF YOUR ONLY THINKING OF IT, so we can see if we can help any.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on December 06, 2010, 01:07:26 AM
Thanks for the offer Freaky ,I have room in my van for 4 and the new trailer for 6 so room for 3 extras , any one needs transport from Tas or vic .regards iain
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 23, 2010, 09:33:54 PM
If you attend the Crystal Brook Classic Nationals we need for YOU to copy 20 -30 of Col Metcher porepsals  Classic Nationals offer/letter to MA ,and pass around in the pits on the last day of racing..
Unless of coarse someone has a better propasaoll written up  ;)  ;D
cheers Red Wine
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on December 24, 2010, 04:11:47 PM
So the MA. vintage Australia motocross titles will be in south Australia is this confirmed and will it be at tarnunda S.A or is at another venue and what month of the year will it be and date. could someone confirm this please.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on December 24, 2010, 06:07:02 PM
you must be joking :o
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on December 24, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
Thanks for the thought Alison,however Sept. is far too late.Commision meets July /Aug.and decision re 2012 rule book will be all over by CB Nats.Time to act is now--through the state committees & clubs.We need to go through the proper channels,to ensure we are set up for 2012 .For 2011 we need to support the S.A. Nats & build for 2012 & beyond. We also need to keep the Dirt Track momentum built over the last three years going by supporting the Brisbane D/T Nats in June.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Hoony on December 24, 2010, 06:52:35 PM
So the MA. vintage Australia motocross titles will be in south Australia is this confirmed and will it be at tarnunda S.A or is at another venue and what month of the year will it be and date. could someone confirm this please.

Here you go David. check this thread
   
2011 Australian Classic Vintage motorcross championships Official

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=15670.0
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GD66 on December 24, 2010, 08:10:57 PM
Things aren't always readily apparent in 46-Land... :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on December 24, 2010, 09:28:45 PM
He's been too busy selling his keepers ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on December 24, 2010, 10:14:29 PM
you lot talk to much Dribble
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 27, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
Thanks for the thought Alison,however Sept. is far too late.Commision meets July /Aug.and decision re 2012 rule book will be all over by CB Nats.Time to act is now--through the state committees & clubs.We need to go through the proper channels,to ensure we are set up for 2012 .For 2011 we need to support the S.A. Nats & build for 2012 & beyond. We also need to keep the Dirt Track momentum built over the last three years going by supporting the Brisbane D/T Nats in June.

Just spotted a thread on pre78 bikes and wondered who in the OZVMX clubs have got the ball rolling on the Nationlas split proposal.  :-[  :)  :P
Are we out there in vintage classic land still keen for a split, or any kind of imput towards our future Nats....
Worms got ya club rev'd yet ??
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on December 27, 2010, 06:30:38 PM
every time i open my mouth about this, I get howled down that I'm a idiot but I will not give in, first MA needs to determine what consitutes a race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, then we can work out where a split needs to take place.

no point splitting the Nationals for more of the same( 3 lap races), but if MA can set the ground rules then we can go forward. As I have said at meetings the need to set some sort of requirement is paramount to future of the sport and it must be done thru your club, but hey! I am the village idiot ( or forum Idiot) and I will be happy with more of the same, as not to upset ANYBOBY, as obivously i need help.

Cheers Worms, Happy new year
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: JohnnyO on December 27, 2010, 10:24:30 PM

Just spotted a thread on pre78 bikes and wondered who in the OZVMX clubs have got the ball rolling on the Nationlas split proposal.  :-[  :)  :P
Are we out there in vintage classic land still keen for a split, or any kind of imput towards our future Nats....
Worms got ya club rev'd yet ??
cheers A
Nothings changed.. the majority are still keen for a split but obviously it's going to take some time to go through the motions.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 27, 2010, 10:58:36 PM
Just spotted a thread on pre78 bikes and wondered who in the OZVMX clubs have got the ball rolling on the Nationlas split proposal.  :-[  :)  :P
Are we out there in vintage classic land still keen for a split, or any kind of imput towards our future Nats....
Worms got ya club rev'd yet ??
cheers A
Nothings changed.. the majority are still keen for a split but obviously it's going to take some time to go through the motions.

So
Viper check
Heaven check
Vic Classic Scramble check
QVMX check
Townsville  ;) check
vmxwa check
pre85mxwa check
Mud & guts SA check
NT check
Tassie Scramble club check
oops Retro check
 ???  ???
all done and submitted to MA
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 28, 2010, 12:48:27 AM
careful there Alison - unless things have changeed the VMXWA club supported a split but not at pre 78?  Has that stance changed?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 28, 2010, 12:57:56 AM
careful there Alison - unless things have changeed the VMXWA club supported a split but not at pre 78?  Has that stance changed?

Its a basic check and spilt check is all !! nothing else--what year of the 70s maybe irrelivant in the end !
Its all good for the east coast were they have power in #'s
Getting the motion moved is more important,then the rider get a decent ride time in.
Go the 15 min moto +1  8)
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 28, 2010, 03:11:15 AM
 ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on December 28, 2010, 06:37:20 AM
if MA endorse a minium std for a race , "they will have to split the Nationals", it's that simple! and my thinking is, it should be a given that MA has a std requirement for all National Championships and should allready be in the MOM's.

this one simple act of making them determine this, would bring about the split, and then its back to where

Cheers Worms,
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 28, 2010, 11:09:04 AM
if MA endorse a minium std for a race , "they will have to split the Nationals", it's that simple! and my thinking is, it should be a given that MA has a std requirement for all National Championships and should allready be in the MOM's.
this one simple act of making them determine this, would bring about the split, and then its back to where
Cheers Worms,

Yes it should be consituational and put into the MOM's,do you want the split Worms or just 15+1 ??
MA can only see how it goes if it doesnt work,its for us to make a change again.

Also you put this sentence in and didnt seem to finish it.and then its back to where.
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on December 28, 2010, 11:35:19 AM
It's all going to fall flat on it's arse if this whole disorganised shitfight starts up again.
With the utmost respect Worms, I think you've got it arse about....you're so obsessed with this 15+1 thing you can't see the logic. The split has to come first before any consideration of race length would be undertaken. For you to think that all that has to be done is to ratify a specific race length and the split will automatically follow shows a severe lack of understanding of how motorcycle politics and 'the system' works.

We know that WA have and will most probably continue to support a pre '75 split so rather than trying to convince them of the benefits of a pre '78 split, we need to lobby and make sure the other state bodies get it right and vote for a pre '78 split. N.S.W. is going to be the tough one to get onside, mainly because of the personel on the NSW Dirtsports Committee (or whatever it's called these days) don't seem to want to grasp the importance of the issue and harbour some sort of distrust of the people behind the proposal. HEAVEN and Penrith clubs also need to be convinced of the benefits of the split for the same reason. I'm not sure of the status of Victoria or Queenslands state bodies philosophy on the split but whatever they thought last year, the lobbying of those committees needs to start now for a whole new ballgame.

Let's not make the same mistake we made during the last proposal submission of thinking that the mythical 'somebody else has lobbied on our behalf. It's up to all of us to get the message through to our clubs and state bodies in a logical and forthright manner. You can't lobby too much with important proposals like this.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on December 28, 2010, 11:49:47 AM
your right firko, this whole 15mins things a pile of crap if you cant fit the races into the weekend. 

Looking at your program from Cannondale Worms, all races were based on laps not time. 
So why if all this was so important, didnt you show us all how it was to be done and do it at those nats, you where the race sec ? ???

You currently have to offer min 29 seperate events, so unless you have a short track or or cut back to 2 rounds nothing can happen till you officially have a cut back in the events that you have to get through, even if you push it out over 3 days.( which is too long i reckon)  :)

cutting it back to pre 78 first, means you can run a much better 2 day event, then you can screw around with the lenght of the races as much as you like to control the entertainment/schedule

cart before the horse and all that.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on December 28, 2010, 01:02:02 PM
ok my logic' is first we are talking about National championships governed by MA, guidelines are set out by MA in the MOM's, all other class's have a definition of what consitutes a race  but nothing is avaiable from MA which defines a race for VMX titles, why? if they said ok all races to be 10 min plus 1 lap or whatever, then all of a sudden the Nationals need to be split because no one could run the event, even in 4 days, all I am saying is make our governing body make a decision, they make more profit from the event than anybody else, they oversee the governing rules, it is so simple in my eyes.

sorry for my opinion, the split needs to happen
Firko your a good friend, and I'll never have your wisdom, but wisdom is only gained by challegning it.

Cheers Worms, over and out
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on December 28, 2010, 01:38:34 PM
Trev...Your opinion is your opinion and it doesn't look as if anything I say is going to alter it so let's move on. ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 28, 2010, 01:52:53 PM
ok my logic' is first we are talking about National championships governed by MA, guidelines are set out by MA in the MOM's, all other class's have a definition of what consitutes a race  but nothing is avaiable from MA which defines a race for VMX titles, why? cause we are relatively new  if they said ok all races to be 10 min plus 1 lap or whatever, then all of a sudden the Nationals need to be split because no one could run the event, even in 4 days, all I am saying is make our governing body make a decision, they make more profit from the event than anybody else,they send our riders overseas too  :P  they oversee the governing rules, it is so simple in my eyes.

sorry for my opinion, the split needs to happen thanks
Firko your a good friend, and I'll never have your wisdom, but wisdom is only gained by challegning it.Wisdom also comes with age and we must be patient  ;D  ;)  
Cheers Worms, over and out
Cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on December 28, 2010, 02:30:11 PM
nice touch Allison, you are right Fiko

but what if MA turns around and says, the event will run over 2 rounds and not 3, so now you can fit it into a 3 day event? you make it fit, if you want the event.

more power to Cols proposal, i just want to see better guidelines and maybe freaky, you will understand after running the event.

I am done with it, goodluck.






Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on December 28, 2010, 03:51:15 PM
This thread is "2011 VMX Nats"--it's a done deal.This discussion is now relevant to 2012 & beyond.
The reason we don't have the SPLIT now is simple.While posts on this forum suggested overwhelming support for the proposal ,very few actually did anything about it. Result of those that did try to get action through the "proper channels"were ,from known facts & anecdotal information,as follows:-
   Clubs--Brisbane MCC---for---letter to MQ too late.
              QVMX             for    letters to MQ & MA lost in the system.
              WAVMX           for    letter to MA on time
               Heaven         against  "           "       "
   States    Qld          Qld Historic Committee for the proposal-submission lost in MQ office,found & sent to MA too late
                NSW      MNSW against.Other relevant NSW clubs not consulted so was it  representative of member's ?
               MAWA      When approached "we don't have a quorum to discuss this"
               Vict.,SA ,Tas  No submissions and it appears no functioning representation for our discipline.
   The end result is the Classic Commision & therefore MA had no clear mandate to affect such a major change.
 So for 2011,we need to support SA for the MX Nats & Brisbane D/T Nats.For 2012 look to relevant threads.

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on December 28, 2010, 04:23:50 PM
no that's a bit more accurate.  There was lot's of talk and not too many submissions and some of the submissions, as it shows, were against the split.  It is still most definitely a work in progress.  I wonder how far it will get before the decision as to where the split should be is agreed upon?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 28, 2010, 04:36:18 PM
Lets just do one step at a time.

Thanks for that post supersenior ...very dissappointing to put it mildly with no foul words,though if we all keep pushing the barrow right up passed Crystal Brook ,we should be two steps forward ,,well done to you
cheers Alison
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on December 28, 2010, 05:47:31 PM
Couple of relevant threads regarding the split

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=13196.0

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=12676.0
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on January 01, 2011, 03:54:43 PM
306 more sleeps   :D   ::)   :P   ;D

252 now  8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on February 02, 2011, 12:03:47 AM
178 days to go   8)

recieved an email today, from the land of burning sands (south oz)  :-[  :P

YES camping at the track from Thursday Morning To Monday. 
 Graeme Ebernard
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on March 16, 2011, 05:08:59 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/vmx2011poster.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 07, 2011, 09:55:52 PM
Supp reg have now been approved.  Down load and post ! or wait till the MASA site has the link up and do it online !!!
Supp Regs / Entry Form
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2011/Classic_MX/2011_ACMX_Champs_Regs_Final.pdf

Scrutineering Check List
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2011/Classic_MX/Scrutineering_check_list.pdf


must have been an email about the same time     ;D   sent to all West Aust  VMXer's 

stuff knows how I got in a locked thread  :o............
you must have left the gate open for the Bull  ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 07, 2011, 10:01:16 PM
WHY bull ? not cow  ;D ;D

Ill get graeme to clean the post up  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 11, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
13.2 on sup regs: The maximum number of entries per class is to be 40...

Since there is no qualifiing,some riders are keen to get their entry in real early ,but the www.samotocross.com.au and www.masa.org.au websites have no access to an entry form/payment/link etc ??
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on April 12, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
Thanks Alison for the entry links etc.....Just having a read thru.....and I do know what it takes to put on an event..but.....anyone else think that $180 to enter is a bit expensive....??
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 12:28:43 PM
178 days to go   8)

recieved an email today, from the land of burning sands (south oz)  :-[  :P

YES camping at the track from Thursday Morning To Monday. 
 Graeme Ebernard

 

what about those who drive over and arrive wednesday, can they fit us in for the night
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 12:33:15 PM
Thanks Alison for the entry links etc.....Just having a read thru.....and I do know what it takes to put on an event..but.....anyone else think that $180 to enter is a bit expensive....??

I think it's very expensive, especially when coming from interstate, looking forward to the meet but still expensive
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 12, 2011, 12:59:46 PM
Thanks Alison for the entry links etc.....Just having a read thru.....and I do know what it takes to put on an event..but.....anyone else think that $180 to enter is a bit expensive....??

Sell me your 15th Anniversary banner to fund your entry.  ;D

178 days to go   8)
recieved an email today, from the land of burning sands (south oz)  :-[  :P
YES camping at the track from Thursday Morning To Monday. 
 Graeme Ebernard

 
what about those who drive over and arrive wednesday, can they fit us in for the night

Even the sup regs says twice Thursday noon.
pm phone # sent- if you get in early book 1/2 acres for all West Aussie plz. 8)
cheers A

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 01:00:32 PM
13.2 on sup regs: The maximum number of entries per class is to be 40...

 www.masa.org.au
whats the Model Aerosport SA got to do with it???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 01:03:43 PM
Thanks Alison for the entry links etc.....Just having a read thru.....and I do know what it takes to put on an event..but.....anyone else think that $180 to enter is a bit expensive....??

Sell me your 15th Anniversary banner to fund your entry.  ;D

178 days to go   8)
recieved an email today, from the land of burning sands (south oz)  :-[  :P
YES camping at the track from Thursday Morning To Monday. 
 Graeme Ebernard

 
what about those who drive over and arrive wednesday, can they fit us in for the night

Even the sup regs says twice Thursday noon.
pm phone # sent- if you get in early book 1/2 acres for all West Aussie plz. 8)
cheers A

I'd like to see the line up at the gate at midday, as over 90 per cent from interstate.  not being able to sleep there wednesday will mean having to find another motel for the night as all the trailers will be full
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 12, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
13.2 on sup regs: The maximum number of entries per class is to be 40...
 www.masa.org.au
whats the Model Aerosport SA got to do with it???
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2011/Classic_MX/2011_ACMX_Champs_Regs_Final.pdf
[PDF] 2011 Australian Classic Motocross ChampionshipsFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
(Forms are available here – http://www.masa.orq.au/CompLicence.pdf . ..... Protection Regulations, found at www.ma.org.au or Appendix 3 of the GCR, ...
www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/.../2011_ACMX_Champs_Regs_Final.pdf
Its whats on the sup regs
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 12, 2011, 01:11:20 PM
I'd like to see the line up at the gate at midday, as over 90 per cent from interstate.  not being able to sleep there wednesday will mean having to find another motel for the night as all the trailers will be full

yes and its the same at every other OPEN titled event...  ;D
cheers a
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Nathan S on April 12, 2011, 01:18:55 PM
Thanks Alison for the entry links etc.....Just having a read thru.....and I do know what it takes to put on an event..but.....anyone else think that $180 to enter is a bit expensive....??

Yeah, it is a bit of a worry. I'm not overly worried though - eighty dollars extra makes SFA difference when you consider the total cost of petrol, accomodation, etc etc.
I'd still prefer the cash in my pocket, though.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
so when will you be able to enter online
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 12, 2011, 02:26:07 PM
#  I have no control on the entry fee, $180 was the clubs number. I think this was based on the fact Broadford charged $185 plus $15 per bike there-after But if you read carefully you only hire transponders for every other bike itself you enter.  ( this is at cost - thats what they hire us the Transponder for)  And this entry fee has to cover the clubs cost for the ma PERMITS ETC, EVEN BEFORE THEY OPEN THE GATES.

# But we will do everything we can in our power to get you as much track time as possible, given we have increased the laps per race already, but also create time permitting options for all powers, spectaculars etc. GIven you ALL HAVE SUPPORTED the col metcher propsal maybe next year we wont have to cover so many events in the one weekend and as such the price can go down and the events per rider/ bike go up.    But given the current format we will be pushing to get as many many event through as we can in the time allowed, also we hope to run 3 full Sidecar eras so its a BIG MEET IN True Aussie Title status - hence we are also racing from Fri to get it all in and have also done away with the morning scrutineering so we can start ASAP.  Im not sure there is much more we can do to give you a total experiance but IT WILL BE WORTH MAKING THE EFFORT TO COME TO THIS ONE !!!

So if you enter 1 rider on one bike in 5 classes ( not that its possible but you get my drift. ) Your not paying per event - just the one fee on your bum, the bike or bikes you ride is up to you.  and there for you outgoing costs are again up to you.

 # As nothing happens until the Fri im not sure many will be there before Thursday, but i get that the WA people might be on a " Travel buffer" So I will make a call on the Wed for some kind of place for you guys to stop over be it at the track or in an adgacent paddock, so dont be too concerned about it just yet.  Somthing will be arranged .  Too be far to other competitors, we also dont want a WA Tah mahal built in the pits/ PAddock on the Wed so the other compeditors dont get a crack at a nice spot by the creek or the showers  :O)

# online will be up soon we are just waiting for the MASA to get the link up on there end with the SAMX Site/ online entry system.  But will give you a date pending ASAIK.

#  Its a 40 Drop gate, i have never seen a class with 40 in a championship class for as long as i remeber, if by some freak of nature, and lets hope it happens that there are 40 pre 65 on the line we will sort somthign out.  Given the other classes such as PRe 75 have age groups they can easily be split into 40 blocks championship classes based on ages.  The only outside issue maybe Evo.  But lets wait till we get 40 entries in a class and we will worry about it then.  or IF YOUR THAT WORRIED eNTRER AND YOU WILL BE AT THE tOP OF THE LIST !

# Given there is a big Roast meal on offer at the track on the sat night ( and stuff all is open in the small town)  then i would be more worried about getting that in First and paid on your enrty form rather the worring about the 40 slots. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 02:51:15 PM
thanks for the info kerry.  it's not about the Taj Ma Hal, more about just setting up, relaxing after three days on the road, testing bike etc, no more than that.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 12, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
YEp i get ya.   

You guys get your entries in and ill make sure there si somwhere for the WA caravan to stop.   IM not sure when the toilets/ showers arrive so that oen of the issues as well.

But leave it with me and we will sort out somthing, its to many sleeps away to worry about just yet.  The regional tourism will be sending you guys some info , so you might go sight seeing before you pull in anyway..........................
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 12, 2011, 04:38:04 PM
Tossa - 3 days - looks like youa re as slow on the road as the track  ;D - sorry couldn't resist baz
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 12, 2011, 04:51:05 PM
sorry Ross unlike you I'll be just cruisin' not looking for another service station toilet for a wardrobe change!!!

2500Kms from Perth day one to Balladonia, 950kms, then Ceduna 950kms and then Crystal Brook.  no feral photographer, so will enjoy the trip
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 13, 2011, 12:11:46 PM
First entry is in !!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 13, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
Also a few of the old guns are looking to ride, some even put money up for race sponsorships.
Even got a call from Robert tumes with a come back after getting over illnesses he had in 06,  so if he's a starter reckon hell get over a few of you pre 75 title holders  ;)

Feedback is this Event is Going to be huge !!!!!!  You guys would wanna pay $180 just to come in and watch.   :D

Ohhh and Goof,  i was away in Qld last week and out of the blue spoke to some guy that went to school with you, you must be popular  :o
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 19, 2011, 04:32:47 PM
still waiting to enter online any news Kerry
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 19, 2011, 05:15:14 PM
Buy a stamp :O)

its up to the SAMX guys to put it up - which is via MASA. 
probally they see it as 6 months out and work to 1 month time frames for normal supp regs.  so they will get around to it, i have asked again for it to happen.  LIke i said posting is easy  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: popeye on April 20, 2011, 08:32:11 PM
Sorry but cant believe how much the entry is for 3 races over 3 days, maybe if it was 5 races and at least 15 min races.  Dont no.......... :-\
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 20, 2011, 09:00:02 PM
Sorry but cant believe how much the entry is for 3 races over 3 days, maybe if it was 5 races and at least 15 min races.  Dont no.......... :-\

mmmm... lets hope if the Nats splits in 2012,the entry price stays down a tad.
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: popeye on April 20, 2011, 10:06:35 PM
MX Sidecar titles are on 2 weeks later at Ballarat, 2 day event 5 races 15 and 20 min motos', entry is something like $120, much more apealing for the sidecar guys.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 20, 2011, 11:42:28 PM
I posted a while ago that as we blew our chance to get the split through last year[ too much forum chat, not enough action], we need to get behind SA this year, and work to ensure the split for 2012. Popeye's comments illustrate one of the main aims of the split,e.g. more laps, more motos,so more value. Connondale was great, but if you only could  ride one class, travelled from Sydney or further, added up travel, accommodation, entry etc, it would have costed over $120.00 per racing lap.
It's not Chrystal Brooks fault the same situation still applies.
Allison's support of the split is interesting as the main resistance to the split and the benefits that have been explained extensively, is coming from WA.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 21, 2011, 11:45:41 AM
Popye, i did a big post on here yesterday for you but its gone...............  any way i might try again later but it took me ages, so now im just depressed   :'(
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 21, 2011, 12:25:43 PM
SS50 - different thread - but I heard differently - WA are consdiering a way to make it work currently.  Maybe I am wrong..................
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on April 21, 2011, 03:57:33 PM
AND...consider that when the the split happens (not if)..there will still be the same costs associated with running an event...with potentially less riders...so the individual cost must go up... riders from WA have a basic support for the split , but are hamstrung by the VMX Club constitution.....which is steadfast at pre '75 only.... So..whilst the WA vote for the split was at pre'75 not pre'78..I believe that there is still (personal) support for the split to be at pre'78...
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on April 21, 2011, 04:30:00 PM
I second that statement
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GD66 on April 21, 2011, 08:11:08 PM
Correct, Brian. VMXWA can't contemplate a pre-'78 split, as they are constitution-bound, and that's fair enough. Among my resulting queries arose the question of how many pre-'78 bikes at a '78-split nats are likely to (a)turn up, and (b) bugger the track irreparably, deeming it unacceptable and unrideable by pre-'75 entrants ?
 Hopefully these resolutions will become clearer at Crystal Brook. But MA will need to keep an open mind and be guided by their members and their workers in the field, not by some devious trickster with an agenda. Personally I reckon Col Metcher should be elected unopposed as MA CEO, he's one clever cookie.

In unrelated news  :o I heard David White has received a 5-year contract extension...What The... ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on April 21, 2011, 10:35:54 PM
as I said a different thread - but I believe there is a way a split at pre 78 can be encompasssed by the VMXWA club - and is currently being looked at to keep the constitution intact and still allow for running a Nats at pre 78 - open the mind guys and broaden the horizons.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on April 23, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Regarding costs, there is a move afoot to address the permit cost by dividing it. The thinking is say each pay for example 60% of current fee. That means each promotor saves 40% on current fee, and MA gains 20% to cover the extra admin involved. Should be win-win, but early days yet. This only a gleam in the eye, so don't bank on it.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on April 23, 2011, 04:58:52 PM
Hi freakshow as my post has vanished I'll post again .Entry in the mail ,pre70 250 and open ,pre75 250 and open ,pre 78 250 and open . please have a nurse and oxygen handy .regards Iain
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on April 27, 2011, 06:16:02 PM
Question regarding entry,
I was of the beleif that age events for pre 75' included riders of pre 65 and pre70 machines,
as there is not a sepparate entry for "age in era" ,
 the entry form only asks age at bottom of entry
will it be taken that all pre 75 (pre65 and pre70) be included in age relevent events,
Cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 27, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
Question regarding entry,
I was of the beleif that age events for pre 75' included riders of pre 65 and pre70 machines,
as there is not a sepparate entry for "age in era" ,
 the entry form only asks age at bottom of entry
will it be taken that all pre 75 (pre65 and pre70) be included in age relevent events,
Cheers
Noel

point 10 of sup regs..
The age classes,with the exception of the super senior will depend on the numbers entered and the capcities of the machine..
point 11.2 also
so in other word closer to time will be at the descretion of the Hosting Club/promoter and SCB decide to do.
Thats the way I read/understand it ..Freaky may know more.
cheers A 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on April 27, 2011, 07:51:37 PM
Yes I read that,
and that is why I ask the question,
   because if I don't enter my pre 70 bike in pre 75 I may not be counted in the numbers for a class  to be allocated a seperate age event

hope that makes sense
Cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 27, 2011, 08:05:27 PM
Yes I read that,
and that is why I ask the question,
   because if I don't enter my pre 70 bike in pre 75 I may not be counted in the numbers for a class  to be allocated a seperate age event

hope that makes sense
Cheers
Noel
We assume that the age era applys to all pre75, so put it in both class's on the entry form 70 and 75 or ask the race secretary.hope its the same bike  :-X
good luck
cheers S&A WA
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 27, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Yes I read that,
and that is why I ask the question,
   because if I don't enter my pre 70 bike in pre 75 I may not be counted in the numbers for a class  to be allocated a seperate age event

Cheers
Noel

will confirm officially for you and get back soon, but.......
if i was to think about it logically id say age is based on just  that, not the bike so its up to you to enter you and nominate in the right age group, then ride a bike that fits into a cut off under the period threshold. So long as the bike has scutineered and has its correct transponder fitted to it, it is eligible to be ridden, it is then up to the ridder to decide what bike he rides and if he thinks its up to it. even if it was a 1960 unit.

however .....i can't see that logic appllies to the bike based class itself, such as the bikes need to be entered in its respective era ie pre 70, pre 75 and so on as in it cant be ridden up as i understand it. so please dont enter a pre 70 in a pre75 bike race.

Noel, just enter your bikes in there correct periods and then nominate in your age clasifcation, so long as the bike ridden on the day is made before 1975, i cant see what the issue could be, but as i said ill get an official MA word on it, if it helps any.

but i'd say its all good in the age section.

age section will be about you and your age first.  We will create from that  nomination to run classes, not what other races your doing or have done.

if more than 10 in an age i will split it to bike capacity and so on.  meaning as per the supp regs we will modify or create classes to maximise Australain title oppertunities and fuller grids.  basically it will probally pan out that everyone is entered in there age and you opt out, rather than opt in, if that makes sense.  :P

fork it ..just enter  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on April 28, 2011, 05:50:00 AM
Yes I read that,
and that is why I ask the question,
   because if I don't enter my pre 70 bike in pre 75 I may not be counted in the numbers for a class  to be allocated a seperate age event

Cheers
Noel

will confirm officially for you and get back soon, but.......
if i was to think about it logically id say age is based on just  that, not the bike so its up to you to enter you and nominate in the right age group, then ride a bike that fits into a cut off under the period threshold. So long as the bike has scutineered and has its correct transponder fitted to it, it is eligible to be ridden, it is then up to the ridder to decide what bike he rides and if he thinks its up to it. even if it was a 1960 unit.

however .....i can't see that logic appllies to the bike based class itself, such as the bikes need to be entered in its respective era ie pre 70, pre 75 and so on as in it cant be ridden up as i understand it. so please dont enter a pre 70 in a pre75 bike race.

Noel, just enter your bikes in there correct periods and then nominate in your age clasifcation, so long as the bike ridden on the day is made before 1975, i cant see what the issue could be, but as i said ill get an official MA word on it, if it helps any.

but i'd say its all good in the age section.


spot on freaky, cheers Trev
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 28, 2011, 01:15:55 PM
NICe thanks trev, i like it when we agree  :P

there you go Noel ! your ready to put that entry in now ?  If in doubt just write me a note on the entry to say enter me in the pre 75 age group .
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on April 28, 2011, 04:52:21 PM
My understanding is that age group racing applies only to pre 75  (that also encompasses pre 70 and pre 65 and pre 60)... it does not however cater for pre 78 or pre 85 or whatever else comes along....so ..whilst the MOM's states for pre 75 only ...it is actually excluding pre78 and beyond...ride your pre 65 bike in the age group that you fit...
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on April 29, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
The rules do not state you can not ride up a class in anything other than pre 78. There is no reason or rule that says you cant ride you pre 60 in pre 65,70 and pre 75 if you want, you could ride it in pre 85 if you wanted to (but why?)
Some clubs for what ever reasons will only let you ride one bike in one class - I dont get it, its a local rule not one in the GCRs. My take on it is you can enter at a nationals as many classes as you want if you pay the per class fee; the bike should be complient to the class and thats it; if you ride one bike in 5 classes there is no rule that says you cant. Even with pre 78 you can ride in pre 78 and EVO and pre 85 - should not be issues. Age classes are for pre 75 class machines, these include machines pre 60,70 and 75 machines so there should not be a problem in riding your 1969 CZ in the pre 70 class then lining up in the pre 75 classes on the same machine.

Thems are the rules folks. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 29, 2011, 05:05:23 PM
Question regarding entry,
I was of the beleif that age events for pre 75' included riders of pre 65 and pre70 machines,
as there is not a sepparate entry for "age in era" ,
 the entry form only asks age at bottom of entry
will it be taken that all pre 75 (pre65 and pre70) be included in age relevent events,
CheersNoel
point 10 of sup regs..
The age classes,with the exception of the super senior will depend on the numbers entered and the capcities of the machine..
point 11.2 also
so in other word closer to time will be at the descretion of the Hosting Club/promoter and SCB decide to do.
Thats the way I read/understand it ..Freaky may know more.
cheers A 
Yes I read that,
and that is why I ask the question,
because if I don't enter my pre 70 bike in pre 75 I may not be counted in the numbers for a class  to be allocated a seperate age event
hope that makes sense
CheersNoel
We assume that the age era applys to all pre75, so put it in both class's on the entry form 70 and 75 or ask the race secretary.hope its the same bike  :-X
good luck
cheers S&A WA

211 can you answer/confirm this above query plz. Ages in all pre75 class's
Will it not depend on number entered...cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 29, 2011, 05:12:16 PM
Cool, thanks for that clarification Dt.

so where's that entry at noel........

Alison at this state there will be ALL the age groups Run in pre 75, im sure we will have the numbers.    Its just weather there is the option to split out in to capacity by time or by entry number of 10 to increase that scope.

Based on this discussion it will most likely be easier for us to just enter all pre 75 riders ( inc pre60, 65, 70 etc) will be entered in there age grouping, then its up to them to opt out - and nomitate if they wish to ride it and on what bike.  ( i cost no more for the rider to enter the age as the have already entered a bike /transponder ) so its a given there eligible.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on April 29, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
My entry was not dependant on the answer to this question ,just checking which box's to tick
but in responce to "DT" the sup regs contain these ,

9.4 In addition to pulling down and checking of machines after official protests have been received by the Clerk of Course in
accordance with the GCRs, the Scrutineer may request for a member of the rider's team to pull down, under the Scrutineer’s
control, any machine that has taken part in the event for checking and measuring. A member of the rider's team must be
available at all times to carry out the strip down. Failure to comply with this rule will result in automatic exclusion from the event
results. All Bikes are only eligible for their era class.
and

18.4 Bikes must be entered only into their correct class — at the discretion of the Race Secretary.

18.5 Multiple entry of the one machine in the competition is not permitted.

cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on April 29, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
Its all cool..just getting knowledge for myself and its interesting for the future race programs-sometimes it's easier to look at a screen  ;)  ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on April 29, 2011, 10:28:05 PM
Sup regs do not over rule the GCRs. The correct class for a (say) 69 CZ could be pre 75, pre 70, Pre 75 age plus more so does that mean to say if I want to enter my CZ in those classes I need 3 CZs? Lets hope not.
 
I agree that bikes must be entered in the correct class; I would see this as self governing and if a pre 85 bike entered my pre 75 race it would get sorted pretty quick however if I entered my pre 70 bike in pre 75 and the race sec decided not to accept that? I doubt it as there is no basis for them not to accept the entry. By definition a 69 CZ is both a pre 75 bike and a pre70.
By suggesting that "all bikes are only eligible for their era" is suggestive of the GCRs as having "era" class structures? Pre 78 does, Evo may? however, Evo for example could be my 57 AJS or my 82 YZ by definition - nothing other than pre 78 has an era.
9.4 notes in accordance with the GCRs correctly - the above is the correct interpretation of the GCRs
18.4 is also correct - the race sec would only use their descretion when the bike is not entered in its correct class. It has to be this way otherwise the race sec could decide who rides or not, who can and who cant - that isnt going to happen, these are sensible people.
18.5 is a possible protest unless interpretated as "multiple entries of the one bike in the one class" which I feel is the intent here. Its the classes entered, there is no rule that states one bike one class and the Nats are subject to the rules as they are in the book.

Dave Tanner
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on April 29, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
Thanks for your reading of those points Dave
It is nice to have interpretations clarified with intent.
cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 30, 2011, 12:47:04 AM
they way i read  18.5 was to stop people entering one bike with like 3 riders.  ( this clause was copied from the MA template, all supp regs seem to have it.  ???

Walter - all i get from what you saying there is the previous friday line up's do not work ? and saying previously no matter how much scrutineering was done cheater still got through. 

So how about we change it and see how that goes ?  The sheet is to cover the more safety aspects.  eligibility isnt about having one official person face off an entrant, were trying to get entrants to do the right thing from the outset, we will pull up bikes randomly and those we feel need attention or eligibility issues for discussion will be advised/acted on.  It will then be up to the entrant if they wish to comply or risk losing a protest.   Blatent elegibility issues can be dealt with quickly and easily.

IF you have any issues walter, protest the bikes ealry and if they are non complient as you say, they will find out there are issue to be addressed if they want to be considered for a class classification result.

on the other hand i thought you were'nt coming anyway, so this really wont be a problem for you. ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 090 on April 30, 2011, 07:23:45 AM
Sup regs do not over rule the GCRs. The correct class for a (say) 69 CZ could be pre 75, pre 70, Pre 75 age plus more so does that mean to say if I want to enter my CZ in those classes I need 3 CZs? Lets hope not.
 
I agree that bikes must be entered in the correct class; I would see this as self governing and if a pre 85 bike entered my pre 75 race it would get sorted pretty quick however if I entered my pre 70 bike in pre 75 and the race sec decided not to accept that? I doubt it as there is no basis for them not to accept the entry. By definition a 69 CZ is both a pre 75 bike and a pre70.
By suggesting that "all bikes are only eligible for their era" is suggestive of the GCRs as having "era" class structures? Pre 78 does, Evo may? however, Evo for example could be my 57 AJS or my 82 YZ by definition - nothing other than pre 78 has an era.
9.4 notes in accordance with the GCRs correctly - the above is the correct interpretation of the GCRs
18.4 is also correct - the race sec would only use their descretion when the bike is not entered in its correct class. It has to be this way otherwise the race sec could decide who rides or not, who can and who cant - that isnt going to happen, these are sensible people.
18.5 is a possible protest unless interpretated as "multiple entries of the one bike in the one class" which I feel is the intent here. Its the classes entered, there is no rule that states one bike one class and the Nats are subject to the rules as they are in the book.

Dave Tanner
I would get a bit upset if someone turned up with a pre 70 bike and rode all the classes they were 'eligible' for. Such as evo or pre 85. Especially after toiling over 5 bikes for a month and carting them through three states to run bikes from their era in their correct class. So maybe I should bring my side pipe 360 and run all pre 70 and all pre 75 races and run my mc400 in pre 78 and evo. This should be the show case of bikes racing in their era, seeing as it's a premium event and all ( for a racer anyway). If everybody did this the event would look like some kind of all in practise day. I certainly don't think it should be encouraged. As you said, A pre 70 bike is also a pre 75 bike. It's also a pre 78, evo, pre 85 , pre 90 and a modern.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on April 30, 2011, 08:16:06 AM
Brad
I take your point however I wouldnt expect that someone would ride one bike in everything. Im like you and most others, we have a few bikes and ride a few classes and on average most have at least 2-3 bikes at a Nats.
The finer point on it it "if" you were to take the literal meaning of whats been discussed you would need a bike for the pre 75 250 age and then one for the open and yet another for pre 70 and so on.
I dont think that someone is actually going to race his side pipe in pre 85, EVO, Pre 75 age and open the pre 70 but if they entered, paid the class fees they can in theory ride.
I was just clearing up confusion so there are no problems for the club on the day.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on April 30, 2011, 08:24:42 AM
Calm down Valter
read 18.8 & 18.9 in the GCRs and make your bike fit and there will not be an issue.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 30, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
Walter you enter, you pay the money, your in, i dont play silly games when it comes to entries ifd thats what your infering, there club needs every cent your included.

i will personally make sure i chase you up one month out if i have not seen an entry from you on a solo or sidecar.  Any excuse for not entering will be yours alone.

Any bike WITHOUT A MUFFLER be it solo or sidecar WILL NOT LEAVE THE START LINE period at this track.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on April 30, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
BRad i think the only time someone would ride up bikes would be pre 70 to run in the pre 75 age, there is so little differance in those era's from the public vantage point it will look the same, in that class.   its also about the Rider, not the bike.

I like you make more bikes thank can ride, although most never run propally as i spread myself too thin, just because i think a bike needs to be in its pigeon hole.  I dont think thisis going to be a problem, but it was more about pre 75 options for those with one bike.  I cant see any justification for someone taking a pre 75 and riding it out in evo and so on, as such i thnk the peer group pressure would see them no front the line.

its also a safety net, in that if your pre 75 ride died and in your case if you where winning the championship, would you not bring your pre 70 to the line ? and be prity pissed off if we said sorry you cant ride that bike up ? its just a logical option if needed.

I think it will all work out as it always has, its just exploring the option as in Noel case where he want to ride a pre 70 in a pre75 age group, which i think is a perfectly valid entry for  that bike.  As that event is judging his skill as a rider and not that of the bike.   Historically i think you would have also seen a 69 Cz or DT1 still on the line in 1971 on so its still in the era.

So brad you coming ? and bringing Joan ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 090 on May 01, 2011, 08:00:44 AM
Quote
So brad you coming ? and bringing Joan ?
I wasn't coming at all due to going to Farleigh the next week but seeing as their date has moved forward I am contemplating coming. I certainly can't afford the time away if I drove so I will be looking to get my bikes transported down so I can fly. If I can do that then I will be a starter.
Brad
I take your point however I wouldnt expect that someone would ride one bike in everything. Im like you and most others, we have a few bikes and ride a few classes and on average most have at least 2-3 bikes at a Nats.
The finer point on it it "if" you were to take the literal meaning of whats been discussed you would need a bike for the pre 75 250 age and then one for the open and yet another for pre 70 and so on.
I dont think that someone is actually going to race his side pipe in pre 85, EVO, Pre 75 age and open the pre 70 but if they entered, paid the class fees they can in theory ride.
I was just clearing up confusion so there are no problems for the club on the day.

Thanks for the reply Dave. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there an entry at Conondale that entered a pre 70 in evo and two other classes? I think that should be discouraged at the least. I also would have thought that if the sub regs say one bike one class ( which should be changed to one bike one era for those who want to read into things literally) that is how the event will run as they have been approved that way.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on May 01, 2011, 10:35:59 AM
point taken Brad, if we start not letting riders ride where they want then we stand to loose riders. Most enter the right thing however there will always some who dont. What it allows is you to ride your older bike in a newer class if (for example) you have a break down.

you will notice some big changes in the rules that will assist in making this clearer.

DT
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 02, 2011, 10:48:30 AM
Brad, talk to Popeye. He's is going and might be taking a truck.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 02, 2011, 11:14:09 AM
also if you ship a container we can recive it to the shed at the track and you can assemble bikes etc from there before the event.

if there is anything we can to to assist in getting bikes to the track we will.  the track ids on the main hwy, but we can also get it unladed at a transport yard and brought down to the track.   

Selling space in trailer coming from interstate woudl be good for you guys to organise at your end.  also i would see if people who have vans coming over have a tow bar and ask them to take your trailer and you will pay there petrol both ways.   Win - win
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 02, 2011, 12:24:17 PM
If you had seen some of the trailers at the Sidecarcross spectacular you would know what a load was!!!
Most of the acceptance speeches at presentation were about "I would like to thank so&so for bringing my outfit up- oh and the kids outfit and me mums outfit etc... etc..." :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 11, 2011, 01:41:19 PM
Freaky - better hurry up and get that online service going - some of us don't have access to mail services??????

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 11, 2011, 02:22:16 PM
Sorry its not going to work Ross. the online stuff is set up by the modern guys and they cant seem to get it to work with the 29 classes we run, the age groups and so on. 

You still have to sign it and also the scrutineering sheet so you may as well fax it to MA SA office, and write you credit card details on the form or bpay them the coin.

Thats about as online as its going to get that works, i reckon at this stage.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 11, 2011, 04:36:41 PM
Freaky - is a scanned copy emailed acceptable?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 13, 2011, 12:47:42 PM
so long as its signed Ross,  it not a problem.
if you need a 1 event licence you will also need to sign that form as well, and also the scruitineering sheet.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 13, 2011, 12:49:34 PM
Brad, talk to Popeye. He's is going and might be taking a truck.

 you fill up a trailer and i can get it towed from Qld to Adel for about $500 insured
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 13, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
thanks Freaky
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 16, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Thanks for the photos Freaksta,it looks a dream !!
What a shame its not used more often...actually where is the 2012 Nats  ;)  ;D
cheers A

 http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=15670.msg188759#new
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 16, 2011, 03:52:33 PM
i have just draw a prity piss poor map with a pencil and im trying to scan it in now. Put some context to may random pics.....

I was going to take them during the day....but i was riding...   ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 16, 2011, 04:00:06 PM
using 3 hills but i think the first one will be too step for the early stuff and the chairs, so looking at taking it onto the right one which is on a better angle.  but issue is Ambulance access round the back.

Lots of width so lots of passing and riding lines to take.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 16, 2011, 04:12:46 PM
  but issue is Ambulance access round the back.

Bulldoze access  ;D ... makes for a flowing program  ;)  :)
How many ambos you got available for the day ?

i have just draw a prity piss poor map with a pencil and im trying to scan it in now. Put some context to may random pics.....

there is equal left and right that I counted.  ;D
Love the last two return straights also-I can see wins and loss's made here  :P  :'(
If the jumps too steep you could always knock the lip off it during the flaggy change over  ;D
cheers A


 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 16, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
Nah the only issue for the hills is the heavier pre 70 stuff hence the plan B, if needed.

Ali - its long run from the last hill to the last corner in front of the club house, from the last corner there is a platform then its full bore 200m left hander to the finish - thats where the winner will be found. ;)

not so keen on the last big berm thingo goes into trough and then high mound platform, but still in discussion i hope and we might be able to adjust it some

they still have the next few month of there modern program before our date, so im hoping there will be the oppertunity to finalise a perfect Scamble set out before Day one.  BY running the early classes on Fri/sat we can hold off grading as much and let it rut up for the more modern classes, give them more of a challenging track too, specially as it berms up over the first 2 days.

Like you said Ali- they have dozers so we can tweak anything before the day.

the ambo thing is just if we run up the back to the fence line then the ambo might not be able to cross the track there ( although thats probally as far as it needs to go.  Not sure on how many - how many will you need  :P

Also depends on the rain before the event, incase the creek comes into play ( although hasnt seen water in 20 yrs they say.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/CBMX2011.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 16, 2011, 04:31:15 PM

- how many will you need  :P

Just a thought if ones bogged or caught up in fencing wire,we got another back up  ;)   ;D
Thanks for the map,saved and sent ..though can be due to change ..
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Mick D on May 16, 2011, 04:58:41 PM
You are doing a great job there Freaky :o

It looks like a great place for the "Easteners" and the "Westiners" to come together and joust it out.
I hope the weather is kind.

Good luck, you deserve it ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 16, 2011, 05:39:52 PM
looks like a lot of work for an old passenger, might have to sub in a younger version for Popeye if he is to win there.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: popeye on May 16, 2011, 09:25:26 PM
Great looking track, we will be right EML we have'nt done much for a while ;D :D We'd better start saving the penny's for the trip...............
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 16, 2011, 09:34:11 PM
You are doing a great job there Freaky :o

It looks like a great place for the "Easteners" and the "Westiners" to come together and joust it out.
I hope the weather is kind.

Good luck, you deserve it ;)

Funny you say that i was thinking this is about the most fair central wise track in along time, like its n ot really near anyone and not a home track to anyone either.   iTs a bigger drive from Qld and WA but still central from the eastern board too, even hours from adelaide.

So  IF you cant make this then anything else is too far, and you may as well just ride club days, and bomb home track  NAts every 5 or so years when they come around........
 
NOw GEt onto it !
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on May 16, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
We'd better start saving the penny's for the trip...............

Its 1668km from Brisvegas via Goonda something,Walget,Cobar,Wilcanna and Broken Hill  ;D
A good days drive .  :P
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 16, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
Closer than you or them going to melb........
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 17, 2011, 07:45:01 AM
the track looks to be well groomed
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on May 17, 2011, 10:05:51 AM
the track looks to be well groomed
Well at least on paper :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 17, 2011, 12:28:10 PM
the track looks to be well groomed
Well at least on paper :D :D :D

EML check the official post - pics are up there if you missed it.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 35elsinore on May 17, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
I thought that last berm was just right, but a few jumps need mellowing down a bit. Before lunch the first up hill was blinding in the sun and imposible to see until you were on top of the creek bank [you wouldnt have noticed this getting there after lunch]. Overall the track was excellent and cant wait to get back there. Keep up the good work freakshow. You might have some spare time if you left that yamaha in the shed. :P
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 18, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
hehe he!!!!  told him to leave all his bikes in the shed!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 24, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
TRoy, Found the problem ( about 5hrs to late) the pulsar lead had desoldered, then when i got it home it had lost spark again, now the CDi is on the blink.  I hear you can bake them to reset them ????   not sure if that a wives tale.

Good feedback on the Morning sun though, im trying to get that first uphill moved to the far right one on the angle ( you would have seen it as the right angle which will fix that problem.

That last bern you need to think about a little more in the context of a heavy pre 70 bike its a funnel berm that drains into a hole at the bottom of what is really a big flat hill/ramp, try that from the standstill ?   i can just see it being a bottle neck there, specially if you get a staller or cross up in the hole at the bottom of the ramp and it might be hard for riders to get round them from near a standing start.

Best we sort that out as its not so much about the "can they make it" but more about the 'if we get a log jam in there or a break then we loose track time'.  we are already on the limit of daylight is we have to run all the classes offered.

Same with the little jump at the bottom of the second hill, its goota go.  The club will do everything in its powers to present a perfect track, for the ride of a lifetime, so they welcome constructive feedback like that sun.  ( sorry i left at 8.30 in the moring but took me a little longer to get there than i thought....... ill know next time. but i was knackered when i left so i know i did get plenty of riding in.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on May 27, 2011, 02:51:59 PM
The last and jump are staying as they are, if a 4 year old on a pee wee can ride around the berm and over the jump i sure a Rider on their pre 70 can do it. The 1st hill will be used by all the solo's and the Outfits will use the up ramp next to the steep ramp. The 2 creek crossings will be modified before the Titles for the vintage bikes.
The track will not dissappoint.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on May 27, 2011, 03:24:05 PM
Duanne,  i hope you right,  but remember this is not about if some 4 yr old on a pee wee can run a ramp, im worried about,  hey Ive seen them jump cars.   

Murray williams is going out there for a test ride on the July Practice, on his 500 BSA, he is 74.    he is old and the bike is heavy - If he says its OK im all for it. 

IF he says it an issue lets talk offline about, especially if the jump your referring to is the one at the bottom of the second hill crossing.

The Sun issue is a valid point made by a rider who was there and there is no reason why you wouldnt run along the angle hill in both the sidecars and solo events to fix it, rather than risk it.

Taking a step back,  This is never been about wether a 4 yr old can totle around a track and get around it is irrelivant, its about the club presenting the Best possible scramble track in Sept. 

We as riders can only pass on the Feedback to ensure your get all the accolades your club deserves for putting on an awesome event. 

Putting it into context, the most important thing is to deliver a interesting natural terrain track that can hold up to 29 events per day, if we have to run all classes and not combine any it will be the biggest attempted schedule ever run, if you have one fall, one screw up, one bottle neck, one helicopter ride were all done.  ( back you utes up to light up the track)

The Focus - we need as a group to ensure,  there is every chance its smooth sailing and as quick to turn around as possible as one badly placed track point, rain, design flaw can impact dramatically on the ability of the event to be finished and completed on time.   Duane, I wouldnt be so fixed in your assement this far out from the event.

That track will not dissapoint, but with 4 months to go lets make it perfect and the one event to beat ! 

Duanne You have me email please use it. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on May 31, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
It also made Dirt Action and Transmoto last week as well. Great to see these guys putting up news about our event.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on June 01, 2011, 10:19:54 AM

"This is a top-class event and will attract elite riders from across Australia including Western Australia and possibly riders from New Zealand.

"

wow we been included in Australia, when will tassie be recognised!!lol
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on June 01, 2011, 10:31:17 AM
I applied online and everything very successful.  My question is this though.

When looking at the actual application form, which also has the provision for the hire of a transponder. How do i go about the hire of transponder, as that isn't taken care of with the online application. 

Not complaining just bringing it to light.  I'll send a required email etc to ask for a transponder etc

Barry
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on June 01, 2011, 11:31:56 AM
let us know the outcome plz Tossa
5.1 entry includes one transponder...though if you require an extra it will cost you $20 per extra bike. 
I'm sure riders just change them over for each race-time permitted...Freaky ??
cheers A

Having not read the Regs fully only the Entry Form, that point is not explained.  Until your wise person informs me.  Thanks for the clarification.  See you over the weekend
Barry
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 01, 2011, 12:02:04 PM
YOU need one per bike=class.   

I.E if you ride you PRe 75 250 you pay $180 that gets you a class ride and your age group.  = 2 classes
IF you have another bike say an all powers you'll need a transponder for it $20. 
IF you ride a Evo bike you need a transponder for it. 

when you enter the classes ( other than the pre 75 age class, with a new bike you Just need to add the $20 to your entry every time.

ie $180+ $20+$20 =$220 that will get you and 3 bikes above on the track, in 4 events.

Then i would strongly suggest you pay $20 and get your name down for the 3 course meal on the sat night, hot and tasty after racing all day you be mad not to do it !
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 01, 2011, 12:19:53 PM
Tossa, there are issues with the online system, its set up for the modern and not as clear as it should be and the clasess dont work like we need them to.

i would promote sending in the old way and DL the form and post it, also you should send in your signed Scrutineering sheet anyway.  I will check your entry next week and if its not right ill flick you an email and we will fix it up.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on June 02, 2011, 10:21:44 AM
have received a confirmation of acceptance from SAMX and checked the link to their website and it shows as my entry being accepted so every thing appears ok so far!!lol.  Will get the rest of the stuff over to you.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 03, 2011, 12:24:20 PM
Can i get a heads up of who is flying in and or flying there wivesin etc ?  Curious if we need to find out how best to get them up to the track and on what day ?  might be cheaper to hire a bus thats leave say XYZ on XYZ so it makes it easy for them to get around and also cheaper on the purse strings.  ITs a 2hr drive from town and 200KM so might be pricy in a hire car unless you get 500km included.

Anyone ideas here ??
Duanne you got people up there on this ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on June 03, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
I thought the club helicopter would fly down to get them??????
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 04, 2011, 01:04:34 AM
OK your last up the hill then

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/248800_10150208700750909_167209720908_7027277_5469835_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on June 04, 2011, 11:39:04 AM
Either they are all C graders or that is one very steep hill.!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on June 06, 2011, 10:17:28 AM
If they don't want to hire a car from Adelaide they can catch the Greyhound bus which stops at Crystal Brook or in Port Pirie. Or the Club Chopter can pick them up when its free.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: mx250 on June 06, 2011, 10:34:15 AM
OK your last up the hill then

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/248800_10150208700750909_167209720908_7027277_5469835_n.jpg)
Looks like The Boys Hole at Mt Kembla first lap ;) :D.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 06, 2011, 12:18:19 PM
If they don't want to hire a car from Adelaide they can catch the Greyhound bus which stops at Crystal Brook or in Port Pirie. Or the Club Chopter can pick them up when its free.

Do you have any details on the bus service there.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 09, 2011, 01:58:34 PM
For all you fly in freaks i have put up an edited  PREMIER Stateliner bus time table up in the locked thread,  so you can see if that helps you out any with your logistics for the wifey or if you plan to land in your self.

See post 13 #
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=15670.0 (http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=15670.0)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 15, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
Please dont use the online entry as its going to do your head in and miss classes.  why because it turns out its set up for modern motocross and they see only bikes per class not multiples.   Its too late to change it and the guy did it as a favour, so to save any embarrasment on the day when we only have you in one class.,  Please just post in your entry !!!!!!

We have over 30 entered already and some of the approved rider numbers granted are already up on the web site. So check all the tabs for your favourites to see if they gone and varients. ( tabs at the bottom left of the worksheet .  from 0 uyp to  #999 in blocks of 200)

http://www.motorcyclingsa.org.au/documents/readonlynumbers.xls

So check there to see if your number has goen BEFORE you post in your entry and please write a plan b -- 14,114, 141 etc -  otherwise you might not get any numbers by the time we get around to calling you for option or we might even make one up !!! 

So get em on there.  so you can mess with the ones on  your bike already if its an issue.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on June 16, 2011, 11:01:33 AM
Try Spencer Gulf Coaches in Port Pirie 08 8632 2666 if you want to hire a coach
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on June 18, 2011, 12:20:41 PM
can somebody please load up the One Event national Historic Licence form as I can't access it or find it on the web site?

thank you
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on June 18, 2011, 10:36:29 PM
can somebody please load up the One Event national Historic Licence form as I can't access it or find it on the web site?
thank you

http://www.motorcyclingsa.org.au/documents/2011MSARidersLicenceApplication_002.pdf

ps:we don't have them in WA yet  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on June 19, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
thanks Al.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on June 20, 2011, 05:01:30 PM
ladies and Gents - just a bit of process update - if you intend to get a 1 event licence you need to do this through your respective state MA and not go to the SA one.  I might be a wanker (and that might start another thread) but I went direct to SA as the meet was there but they pointed me in the right direction.

cheers

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on June 20, 2011, 05:02:55 PM
Oh - and for those guys in WA needing a One event licence - it isn't listed on the MAWA licence application form but if you send a note with the remaining info they will process it for you - $77 plus credit card fee of $3.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on June 20, 2011, 05:04:19 PM
well there you go-I woulda done the same, thinkin' as that's where the event is.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 20, 2011, 05:27:16 PM
i'll confirm. to be sure its not just Ross who has to use WA.   ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on June 20, 2011, 05:33:10 PM
i'll confirm.

you really dont need to confirm, Rossco has already confirmed that the states are not in line with each other under the banner of Motorcycling Australia..is it because they think WA riders have more money and will pay the full 260 odd $$ national license  :(
said my bit-not aimed at you freaky  ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on June 20, 2011, 07:41:34 PM
Freaky - have sent you via email copy of the discussion.

cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on June 20, 2011, 08:10:56 PM
 ;D just booked the spirit of Tas, 2 people one ute return $1060. now to get all  bikes running 3 still over the shed floor  ;D Iainyz
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on June 29, 2011, 09:03:08 PM
--- CONFIRMING ----  if you need a one event National licence, you need to apply to your SCB ( and it must be a NATIONAL 1 event licence) they will send us a copy, but you should follow it up your end and also right the details on the entry other wise if you turn up on the day and we dont have a copy of it you wont be riding ,  sorry insurance etc. Says no.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 06, 2011, 10:30:30 AM
Does any one in WA know how to contact a BRIAN WATSON ? aged 52 and rides Husky's ???? his mobile number is wrong and he left no email address.

can anyone find this guy from Osborne park, WA for me ???  tell him to contact me please ASAP - i cant process his entry to the NAts if he dont !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 06, 2011, 11:45:11 AM
Freaky - he is on the forum - cant remember his name here though but Alison should be able to reach him?  Alison - can you give Brian a poke!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 06, 2011, 12:00:06 PM
yep im not poking him..............
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on July 06, 2011, 12:07:15 PM
PM sent Kerry
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on July 06, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
Brian Watson  brian.watson@mainroads.wa.gov au or ring Bill 0893496162
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on July 06, 2011, 12:16:36 PM
Regarding the stats---oh! the shame of it all---my entry [3bikes] posting today.Sorry havn't got a sidecar. Hope this opens the floodgates [entries not rivers] from Qld.
We have a big event this weekend so will try and stir up the interest.
Come to think of it, how many SA entries came to our DT Nats? Sorry Freaky, just trying to ease  Qld's sense of guilt.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: bigk on July 06, 2011, 12:26:33 PM
I would like to race the Nats, but do I have to reduce the standard travel on my '77 Husqvarna to race pre '78? Some would argue that it has a suspension advantage and should be limited (the current rules say so). I could argue that a '77 RM250 has an engine advantage, but they are left alone. Seems stupid to alter a standard bike and unfair, while others are left alone. If so I'm staying home.
K
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 06, 2011, 02:17:49 PM
Regarding the stats---oh! the shame of it all---my entry [3bikes] posting today.Sorry havn't got a sidecar. Hope this opens the floodgates [entries not rivers] from Qld.
We have a big event this weekend so will try and stir up the interest.
Come to think of it, how many SA entries came to our DT Nats? Sorry Freaky, just trying to ease  Qld's sense of guilt.
well at least one - so you can be the qld Sub for here.........

But remeber we are talking MX not DT and QLD holds itself out as the Mecca of VMX racing ( and probally the most current Aussie title holders in VMX )

So you would think they would be well reprisented.......... and its not in Vic ( so your out of excuses )
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 06, 2011, 02:21:19 PM
I would like to race the Nats, but do I have to reduce the standard travel on my '77 Husqvarna to race pre '78? Some would argue that it has a suspension advantage and should be limited (the current rules say so). I could argue that a '77 RM250 has an engine advantage, but they are left alone. Seems stupid to alter a standard bike and unfair, while others are left alone. If so I'm staying home.
K
Put in a rubber bush or cut up some conduit and slide it in.    IF you would genuinely like to race the nats,  then you will do it.  IF you dont then i guess your posting for another agenda.  Travel/suspension issues speak to dave tanner, Riders who want to ride and enjoy the event please post your entries in.

FWIW ...  Seems unfair my 75 TM250 has both a Engine disadvantage and a suspenion one but who cares it a Aussie title.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 06, 2011, 02:29:28 PM
what are your acing in OUR class Freaky???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 06, 2011, 03:02:39 PM
probally whats ever you riding ? if you doing the 360B ill do a 360 A.     

Be like some kinda ADB shoot out........iron chef style - 'who's cuisine will rain supreme'  :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on July 06, 2011, 06:35:36 PM
Freaky has my entry arrived ? Iain from Tas
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 06, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
aaaaah - I can taste the beer already  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 07, 2011, 12:03:45 AM
Freaky has my entry arrived ? Iain from Tas

yep took me forking half hour to type in all the forking classes, im tempted to make all your events back to back just to get you back !  :D :D  your in the 2% Tas
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on July 07, 2011, 08:22:47 PM
Freaky I had that once in the trans Tas Masters at Barley Ranch in NSW a few years ago 5 races back to back , all most killed me lol :'(
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 11, 2011, 01:58:52 PM
Calling all side cars  are you out there ??

http://www.ozsidecarx.com.au/phpBB3/index.php?sid=1ff120aaa707a14bc5d6ba93e829f5c5
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on July 11, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
Freaky from the locked thread: what does ticked over mean...that 8 class's are full or 8 have some entries??

quote:We have now reached 8 Australian title classes that have officially ticked over.......
 
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 13, 2011, 10:51:15 AM
'Ticked over' means like a speedo - that they have ticked over to be " Official National championship classes as they have "ticked over" the minimum required to make it an National Aussie title classification and get you in the MA book as the ruler of Australia   ;D

I do belive some of the pre 75 class will be at full gates come race day as they are heading that way, so it will be old school Full feilds hopefully.  Great chance to relive the period !  and i doubt will be like that again, well it cant be cant it cause this is the last time a full race program with all periods will be run  !

history in the making Kids be there or be a loser !

Special announcement from Ross to follow shortly  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 15, 2011, 01:43:12 PM
alisoncan you or steve confirm what the 5 meals and passes on your sheet is for ??? and if you want them then you need to pay for them as your only have put in $180 to cover the entry for the suzuki ??

David carney if you also on the forum can you please contact me also to discuss you entry.  please.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on July 15, 2011, 02:03:30 PM
I think that as WA is a no show we will also boycott.
All I have spoken to are holding off for the ASA titles.
I had an offer from a former champ but I'm injured(my pride).
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 19, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
Not sure about WA boycotting i think thats a bit harsh comment as we have heaps of solos coming , just looks like the sidecars sounds to me like there too lasy to come. 

Locally i So far have committments for 6 pre68, 6 pre 85s but a bit light on the pre 75 sidecars which surprises me.  hence i cant figure out why all thos pre75 in WA havent put entries in ?

its the closest real Aussie title they will ever get the chance to race in, why wouldnt you do everytihg you could to ride here ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on July 20, 2011, 08:33:08 AM
Maybe you need to lift the start money a bit.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on July 20, 2011, 09:41:10 AM
Cost,riding solo only,retirment and age/fitness. thats four reasons for four outfit !!
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: bigthumpa on July 20, 2011, 03:11:28 PM
Hey Rossco I heard on the weekend that you will be going over with Rod. I was reserving you a spot on my trailer but that's ok coz I didn't want your japper giving the Matchy some sort of oriental flu!!!!! :D. However I still have a spot on the trailer for you immense ego!!!!!!!!(just joking) ;D. Guess I'll see you on the road hey?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 20, 2011, 03:37:59 PM
Nick Maxfield - you keep my immense ego out of this eh!!!!!  Mate - hadn't heard back from you and as I need to organise International flights and annual leave etc went looking - Rod was stuck, I was stuck so we worked out a plan.  We are leaving Tuesday - what day are you heading over? 

Thanks for the offer by the way  ;D

regards

Rossco (aka FBR2)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on July 20, 2011, 03:51:45 PM
hold on how can you not keep your immense ego out of it, it's there for all to see as well as all your wardrobe changes.  Is Rod aware of your hand luggage!!!!

Barry aka bloody idiot!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 20, 2011, 03:53:47 PM
I don't want to get into trouble with the moderators so I will bite my tongue!!!   ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on July 20, 2011, 04:12:56 PM
plenty to bite there!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 21, 2011, 07:10:57 PM
Freaky - that numbers list hasn't been updated - youa re correct - looks like 15th June?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on July 22, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
Was just updated then , yes ego boy your Kevin swatz as requested. demande.

alison/ steven your entry is still light, you asked for 5 meals etc but your check is just the $180 for bike ????  What do you want me to do ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 22, 2011, 03:25:39 PM
took me a few seconds to catch on Freaky - thank you  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 03, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
OK ali entry he and in , plus your dinners, you passes still dont add up but i give up.  ill just send you a vip one.............
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 03, 2011, 06:51:31 PM
you passes still dont add up but i give up. .............

Thanks Freaky,but Im only payin for two extra meals for the hangeroners(which they owe me for. fwiw-the cost of a Nationals entry is starting to out market itself big time)  :(  they can pay there own way in the gate etc

quote:Each competitor is entitled to 1 rider's pass and 1 additional pass. (Stamped self address envelope must accompany all entries –
online will be provided)
cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on August 08, 2011, 06:07:56 AM
entry sent, now 4 more weeks in the shed getting bikes ready ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 09, 2011, 02:51:38 PM
ahh !! thats why we couldnt get #50 ,some bloke Col Metcher's got it  ;D

http://www.motorcyclingsa.org.au/disc_historic.html
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on August 09, 2011, 04:03:43 PM
Any idea on how entries are going?... plenty in each class..??
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 09, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
you passes still dont add up but i give up. .............

Thanks Freaky,but Im only payin for two extra meals for the hangeroners(which they owe me for. fwiw-the cost of a Nationals entry is starting to out market itself big time)  :(  they can pay there own way in the gate etc

quote:Each competitor is entitled to 1 rider's pass and 1 additional pass. (Stamped self address envelope must accompany all entries –
online will be provided)
cheers
then dont right 5 inthe additonal passes section............   each rider get 2 passes its prity simple.
  your the worst offender so far.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 09, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
SHould be close to 100 entries soon.

classes that are light are pre 65, pre 78, evo and pre85 

Evo bikes will be able to ride up soi we can get the 10 min for aussie title classes.

side cars 3........

Stuff all under 30 so will have to make it under 39 and even then im not sure its up to 10.

keep you posted with a wrap up next monday
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on August 09, 2011, 06:02:54 PM
now thats a can of worms, letting one class race up, hope that works for you Freaky.

my advice would be to seek MA approval, as it's nowhere defined as a rule.

Cheers Worms
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: popeye on August 09, 2011, 06:17:44 PM
Freaky how are you going mate? can you tell me how many sidecars you have entered as there are people from up here in Brisvagus keen on coming down if there are going to be good numbers in the classes or are there only enough to run 1 class all in. Could you please put numbers up so people have some idea....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 09, 2011, 10:52:11 PM
now thats a can of worms, letting one class race up, hope that works for you Freaky.

my advice would be to seek MA approval, as it's nowhere defined as a rule.

Cheers Worms

cant see why not evo is a bike style not an era, you can ride a 1995 Dt with twin shocks shitter so i have been told as it meets the 3 rule requirement.  and all the ones i have seen entered in it all all pre 85 so there cant be an issue there.

Up to the punters really do they want to cancell any class with 3 ? combine any class under 10 to an all powers or let similar bikes into the era and make it a championship class ? after all the point is its about the National clasification not another club event right ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 09, 2011, 10:57:31 PM
popeye sofar almost enought pre 68's.   But we need more pre 75's or they'll get combined or pulled.  PRe 85 need a couple more to make the classification to aussie title or ill push up the 75 to get the number.

Get all the entires in and we can worry about it later.  i have been assued we have 6 pre 68 and 6 pre 85 sidecars coming, not including whatever walters doing or you guys.

As far as im concerned there will be at least 2 proper sidecar aussie titles, its  just the make up to be confirmed, and the pre 75 seperation pending more stand alone entries.  WA has failed all entries are local or vic.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on August 09, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Freaky..what do you mean WA has failed..????..I know one guy who is bringing over 17 bikes for different people.....My understanding is there are about 25 riders coming from WA....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 10, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
 your the worst offender so far.

someone's got to be  ;D  ;D

Freaky..what do you mean WA has failed..????..I know one guy who is bringing over 17 bikes for different people.....My understanding is there are about 25 riders coming from WA....

I reckon he's referring to the sidecar dept..Cant say I blame em as we have 13 ,so you'd think one would make the trek.. :P  thems the breaks
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 10, 2011, 12:25:05 AM
Correct Alison....... i hears WA was the home of pre 75 side cars... so far not one WA sidecar entry...... :'( :'(

WA solo's on t he other hand are falling out the trees !  good on you Solo boys for holding up the wests end !  i have lost count of the Wa solos... which kinda kills off the excuse of its too far for the outfits.  :-[

Walter one entry is never a class or an event.  Lets wait to comment on that call when all the entries are in, rather than hearsay. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 11, 2011, 12:49:23 PM
Also havent seen your yet ?  is it in or are you waiting on something ?  ill be doing another entry pick up from MA on friday.
9 days to go !!!!!  get it in.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 11, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
he's scanning the want adds for a passenger(or 2)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 11, 2011, 03:35:47 PM
if not ill be hounding both you and EML >
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on August 11, 2011, 03:38:52 PM
how are the numbers going
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 11, 2011, 04:15:05 PM
At least 115 strong.   ITs a pre 75 frenzy with bikes going all over the place.  could do with a few more evo and pre 85 125, so we can run them seperate.

also a few more pre 65 and pre 70 wouldnt hurt to put on a bit of a show.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 16, 2011, 03:18:44 PM
CAllig all cars calling all cars.  just need a few more in 2 classes to get it to aussie title (6)  and i need another pre 75 to let the classs run.

Over to you people  get on the phones..........

Pre 69 sidecar to 1300cc         

   999   Rocky   Warren
   51   Murray    Williams
   138   Lee   Banks
Robert Coates (Harley)
David Coates (BSA)

         
      
Pre 75 sidecar to 1300cc         
   999   Rocky   Warren
   1   Walter    Preising
      


Pre 85 sidecar to 1300cc         
   999   Rocky   Warren
   5   Murray    Williams
   26   Garry    Payne
   1   Walter    Preising
            77             Len    Burman
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 16, 2011, 03:35:35 PM
OKAy heres the people i need to chase up that are sopposed to be enterred, can someone call then up or poke with a stick....

Pe 1968
Damien Telke (Jawa 350)
Darren Winter (Norton)
 
Pre 1985
Martyn Wedge (Yamaha Wasp)
Rod Anthony (Yamaha)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 16, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
Freaky how are you going mate? can you tell me how many sidecars you have entered as there are people from up here in Brisvagus keen on coming down if there are going to be good numbers in the classes or are there only enough to run 1 class all in. Could you please put numbers up so people have some idea....

As above....... its on bitches !!!!!!  get your entries in and fix that poxy ignition - be a proper National title class biggest in years !!!!!!!  hope you been training.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on August 16, 2011, 05:16:24 PM
Try and chase them up on the ASA site maybe? Most of those guys are ASA members.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 16, 2011, 09:24:15 PM
QLd has pulled the pin . Too far to go for too few races for  too much money for a title that means F all.
See you's all at Ballarat.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 17, 2011, 12:52:51 AM
Its not closing date yet . Also the pre 68 boys would make up the numbers in pre 75 if need to be   .

closing date is sat , its only 2 weeks away.

an on the other no that woud still only make 4.   Wait and see what the mail bring this week then make the call on Sat.  I need to get the final instructions out monday and then start prinitng up the program.  We dont have time to wait about.

Rocky is chasing up some of the ASA guys.  Seems all the pre 75 outfits have been bought up by WA, but there they stay.....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 17, 2011, 12:55:04 AM
As of toady there are 130 entires and over 300 bikes. 

As some cool guy once said......IF you not there im sure you mates will be last minute entries get posting or call........  do it , you know you want to.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 18, 2011, 08:11:43 AM
That's the problem right there Alison, sidecar folk don't drink water, unless it's just a dash in their Scotch. :D Cheers/hic.....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 18, 2011, 02:33:26 PM
Sorry walter, but thats not entirely correct assumption. please find us more outfits not already entered to get you a class up. what you probally dont know is that since that post is The warren outfit has moved up with a new rider to run pre 85 so that we have the numbers for aussie title event.
PRe 68 i have 5 already just waitng to assign numbers and waiting on at least on of the last guys to enter.

PRe 68 is and was already a class in its own right in the program, due to uniqueness we wanted to showcase old thunder at the titles, ( also these guys entered the concept early.)   

if pre 75 can be run it will be run in the same event as the 68"s but scored seperately. I havent opened any entries today but will keep you advised as soon as i get any more sidcars entering.  its up to you if you want to hang out till entries close or if you want to refund the $20 for that class already and you can plan around another solo ride or somthing if you need to get more rides.  Just trying to help you plan what you haul out to the track.

Pre 69 sidecar to 1300cc         

   Rocky   Warren
   Murray    Williams
   Lee   Banks
Robert Coates
David Coates
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 19, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
OK last mail today - 150 Riders 300+ bikes ..... going to be mental !! you miss , you kick yourself....... its bigger than big 3 full grids of 40 bikes in the pre 75 classes !!!!!!!  be like the 70's  old school full.

Online entries still open via fax till the 28th but your not guarnetted a spot or name in program so please check wiht me first.

Sorry walter pre 68 side cars (6)  pre 85 sidecars (6)  pre 75 is cancelled and also pre 60 solo is cancelled too.  all other classes will be run and most are aussie titles or just waiting on 1-2 entries tops to tip themover.

well done guys strong effort all round with entries.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 22, 2011, 01:11:49 AM
Thats great , so pre 85 it is . Can I lend my pre 75 Wasp  to someone for another entry ?
yes they can ride it in pre 85 put they will need to fax an entry in "correct and completes ASAP !!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 22, 2011, 11:28:26 AM
Final instructions are in the mail today. 

walter, I need there entry faxed to amalia this week at the latest.  program cut off this friday for printing.
IF its a new rider make sure both the rider and passenger sign it. 

IF its lee banks or someone already entered, just get them to give you the $20 but still get them to email us the extra class change so we have it in writing

off the top of my head then thats 7 pre 85 outfits.  so be a good field.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 22, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
PRe 75 250cc CLOSED full grid (40)
Pre 75 263+ Closed full grid ( 40)

please dont enter these classes with late entries and if you did in the last week make contact if i havent so we can find you another class to run.
We cannot run more than 40 gates wont allow it.

some Others close so if you intend faxing and Credit carding an entry this week MAKE CONTACT FIRST.

Final instructions are intonight mail for those entires accepted.  please check the rider number to be sure you dont have to change it or modify yours!!! to the new one.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 22, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
Freaky..How many has the pre65 got entered...Thanks A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 22, 2011, 10:30:20 PM
Aussie titles confirmed as at today are as follow

PRe 65 250
Pre 65 263 +
PRe 70 250
PRe 70 263+
PRe 75 125
Pre 75 250
Pre 75 263+
Pre 75 under 30,
 30-40,
40-50,
50-60,
70+
pre 78 125
pre 78 263+
Evo 125
Evo250
Evo 263+
PRe 85 125
PRe 85 250
Pre 85 263+

only ones we need to get across the line in a pre 78 ( all on 9) and pre 75 60-69
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 24, 2011, 12:17:58 AM
Anyone who has entered and got a start gate in the PRe 75 250 or all powers and has now realised they have entered too many classes and maybe wont run, can you contact me if you thinking you wont do all 3 rounds ?  I have 2 guys waiting in reserve hoping for a spot.  So if your having second thoughts please contact me so i can put these guys on the line if you think you not going to run, would seem a waste if you not comitted to do the 3 rounds. or if you would like to ride a pre 78 bike i need 1 more 125 or 250 :O)

cheers
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 24, 2011, 08:10:26 AM
I reckon you should get them all there on thursday to start qualifying......
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 24, 2011, 08:54:49 AM
I thought you would use hot rocks to keep stuff warm in SA
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 24, 2011, 11:09:08 AM
Sorry NO qualifying.  Sorry  but i have always thought heats and qualifuing was a pile of shit.  IF someone puts there entry in in JUly, books holidays, travells 2,000 KM and then dont qualify even if they dropped a chain in practice on the thursday/fri.  Why after they have done the rioght thing for 4 months, should they be denied the ride....... 

Unfortunately the lesson for the 2 in reserve ATM is read the supp regs and get you entrys in ealy so we can try to make adjustments Sooner, in the last days of entry you should realise you are cutting it fine anyway-  nuff said. 
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 24, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
Got the acceptance today with the program. Its all spelled out very clear , good job . Even tells you when to put your kids to bed .  :D   5 ,long lap races on this track will test any-ones  fitness thats for sure . 

YEp tried to make it clear as possible so no one gets confussed about whats happening.

Everyone needs to Check there rider number on the last page of the final instructions if its not there check online incase your numbers have been changed to another preferance ( i rung most folks i think)

Also every one keeps asking for longer races so the later stuff has got 5 laps.  I think all the laps with races will even out so every class is about 10 mins or so long, that way we also get through the 72 events in daylight.

Also note sidecars are going across the hill, no sec hill so check track layout. 
Also i just have to go into MA and pick up your one event licence as well walter so ill do that this week if i get a chance.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 24, 2011, 11:21:07 AM
Freaky..How many has the pre65 got entered...Thanks A

BOTH AUSSIE TITLE CLASSes !!!!

Pre 65 solo 250cc         
   1   John   Boag
   162   Ray    Atkins
   47   Kevin    Brown
   50   Colin   Metcher
   151   Troy    Moynihan
   46   Ian   wallis
   6      


Pre 65 solo 263+ cc         

   82   Nick   Maxfield
   145   Greg   Leaney
   264   Kell   Amberndtsson
   73   Steven    Dyjak
   152   Tony   Cavell
   350   Robert   Coates
   96   Rohan    Harris
   101   John   Budd
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on August 24, 2011, 11:37:47 AM
It's good to see John Budd's name on the pre 65 entry list. John was one of the guns in the class back in the early 90's on his Triumph but has been MIA for years. I'm pretty sure he's from Mildura and had a bit to do with the first Vintage Dirt Track Nats back in the early 90's. Good bloke....and fast.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 24, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
i nEED ONE MORE  PRE 78 125 OR 250 TO TICK THEM CLASSES  off THEN ITS FULL HOUSE aUSSIE TITLES FOR ALL !!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on August 24, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
Put the 70s in as the rule was intended [and corrected for 2012] and you've got your championship.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 25, 2011, 09:31:08 PM
All  the bikes are now stickered up on white background with black numbers ,and someone pointed out today that the Husky needs green background and white numbers . How severe is that ? Does damien have to do them all again or is it OK  ? After all we have the transponders now ?

Sometimes in life we just have to do what that  @#$(&^%$#   MOM's GSR's book says to do and then there will be no numbers/background rule war.
Era percific and yep the transponders do break down and we need colours for class destinction.
Its a National title we need to look the part .  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 26, 2011, 12:16:34 PM
numbers and class letter need to be correct, backgrounds are essential as your colour will insure you in the right CC class.  I know its a pain but you can peel them off and save them for your modern bike.  i think you need to be green background and white lettering with a Y in there - but check before you get anything made this time.

the people on the start line and marshalling area dont see any transponder info, and this side of it all is really now for them to get you organised into the right places.  Right era, right cappacity right event.   ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 26, 2011, 12:18:25 PM
Update for alison ::  ealry stuff is happening place !

Pre 65 solo 250cc         
   1   John   Boag
   46   Ian   wallis
   47   Kevin    Brown
   50   Colin   Metcher
   151   Troy    Moynihan
   162   Ray    Atkins
   62   Des   Heaney
         
         
Pre 65 solo 263+ cc         

   73   Steven    Dyjak
   82   Nick   Maxfield
   96   Rohan    Harris
   101   John   Budd
   145   Greg   Leaney
   152   Tony   Cavell
   264   Kell   Amberndtsson
   350   Robert   Coates
   62   Des   Heaney
         
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 26, 2011, 01:56:43 PM
other option is colour the background in with a kids texta.  if its white it would be easy to colour in with a green texta permant or even water based. -  that would be an easy fix and Quite ok
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: ARN on August 28, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
hi freakshow
how did the pre 78 classes end up as i was hoping to race 250 and 400

cheers arno  72
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on August 29, 2011, 04:55:19 AM
freakshow,hows the evo and pre 85 125 classes going?.also thanks for the email,accomodation now booked. ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 29, 2011, 11:32:45 AM
EVERY RACE IS NOW A SEPERATE RACE THERE ARE NO COMBINED RACES IN THE PROGRAM  ( 2 clases were cancelled instead - pre 60 and pre 75 sidecar) See timetable on back of instructions.

Everything is an Aussie title class "Except pre 78 250 at this time'  - but havent been into MA office today to see last online entries, but a few said they would.  so will confirm Subject to:

Program and " lastest Final instructions" are or will be on MA web site as soon as posible ifnot already.

pre 78 solo - 263 and over                  
   9   Mike   Waters   Suzuki   370   WA
   15   David    Footner   Suzuki    370   SA
   37   Victor   James   Bultaco   360   WA
   72   Arno   Franz   Yamaha   250   VIc
   100   Kris    Lindgren   Husky   390   WA
   130   Chris        Major   Yamaha   400   SA
   141   Brett    Bowen   Maico   400   Vic
   153   Jody    Smith   Maico   400   Vic
   154   Iain   Cameron   Yamaha    360   TAS
   372   Grant   Schubert   Suzuki   370   SA
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 29, 2011, 11:33:54 AM
Evolution solo - 125cc                  
   153   Jody    Smith   Honda   125   VIC
   258   Nicholas   Smith   Honda    125   VIC
   6   Don   Gabsch   Suzuki   125   VIC
   66   Robert    Ireland   Kawasaki   125   VIC
   108   Robert    Knee   Yamaha    125   TAS
   8   Peter   Shelton   Suzuki   125   SA
   247   Ben    Melvin   Suzuki   125   WA
   12   Grant   Dodd   Honda   125   Vic
   86   Noel   Lewis   Suzuki   125   NSW
   95   Graeme   Keogh   Honda   350   Vic
   W72   Benjamin    Ward   Yamaha   125   QLD
   20   Darrin    Buckby   Honda   125   SA
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 29, 2011, 11:34:04 AM
Pre 85 - 125cc                  
                  
   258   Nicholas   Smith   Honda   125   VIC
   11   Matthew    Park   Yamaha    125   NSW
   6   Don   Gabsch   Suzuki   125   Vic
   66   Robert    Ireland   Kawasaki   125   Vic
   108   Robert    Knee   Yamaha    250   TAS
   247   Ben    Melvin   Suzuki   125   WA
   2   Simon   Broad   KTM   125   Qld
   346   Jon   Broad   Suzuki   125   Qld
   14   Dale    Newman   Suzuki   125   SA
   383   Nathan    Cook   Honda   125   SA
   12   Grant   Dodd   Honda   125   Vic
   95   Graeme   Keogh   Honda   350   Vic
   20   Darrin    Buckby   Honda   125   SA
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 29, 2011, 12:54:40 PM
Interesting entries there Freaky..you can really get the heads up if you look back into prevoius results of the 125 class's...
Alot of new names and a small hand full that are coming back to go for the 125 title again..you got to handy it to Jody Smith though, for the miles and times he has done it  ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 02:34:35 AM
i tink he and his brother have both entered around 6 events each, they will be rooted by the end of the day.....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on August 30, 2011, 06:51:38 AM
freaky has the club got a wash bay and do we need to bring our own water washer and does it need to be a petrol one or can I just bring my little electric one and plug into a tap some where, It is important to us as they wont let us bring your shit SA dirt with us back to Tassie.
Also has any one pulled the pin on the pre 75 250 class so Sarah Knee can get a start on my elsinore

Cheers
fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on August 30, 2011, 09:46:46 AM
We have wash pad but bring your petrol pressure washer no power at the taps.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 11:32:57 AM
YEp im aware of the issue with the TAssie "weed control" when you get off the boat. if your sarved for room in your bus for a washer, there are heaps of commercial wash bays in adelaide and on route ( car wash places ) as duanne said. also the track is on tanks so im not sure they can let everyone waste all the water, you can connect up  at the local reserve or maybe at a locals place if you sweet talk one over the weekend.
Duane can you or someone in the club see if there is an option for the Tassie guys to get around this as i know the quarrentine thing is an issue for them.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 11:42:34 AM
Sarah is entered in pre 75 the age group already so thats a given, with the 250 open its still full and there are still 2 reserves in the class waitng for drop outs ( had a few drop out this week in other classes ) so will keep you posted it changes daily.

Reserves can line up for race 1 - if the allocated rider isnt there at the call up at say 1 min mark, then COC will let REServes out till all gates fill.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 30, 2011, 12:22:44 PM
Go black with black numbers Wally-sure to stand out.....
read your cams manual, you get one every year---you must have plenty of 'em.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on August 30, 2011, 12:45:17 PM
Not sure if your CAMS manual will do any good for Motorcycle actvities..certainly your MOM's will help....colours have been this way for many years...125...black background white numbers...250, green background , white numbers and 263 and over yellow background and black numbers...appropriate letter prefix for era racing on left of numbers...

We from WA also need to wash bikes before they go back across the line in the dirt also...
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on August 30, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D PROB NOT YOUR CAMS MANUAL-TRY your MA (ACU) manual.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
WALTER = its not up to us to figure out what classes you feel like entering, as per your entry - the only solo classes on your entry form and those you have been entered into currently are :

PRe 75 4 stroke all powers - metisse 750  ( Yellow background black numbers and 'X' letter)
Pre 75  50-59 age group    - metisse 750  ( Yellow background black numbers and 'X' letter)
PRe 85 250cc open           - Husquarna 250 ( green background white numbers and 'Y' letter )

IF you have entered the wrong classes please advice ASAP.  ( i included the 'letters' designations in the final instructions in the Practice list - last page - so no one gets confused where they should be)



Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 01:06:11 PM
OK official word is

' There will be facities in the pits for you to draw water from over the weekend, for soil removal ( not random bike cleaning) for you own petrol washers) we have made arrangment for ONLY those with Quarentine restrictions to use another on the Sunday afternoon on for a pressure washer facility. '

Remeber this is not for randon bike cleaning, its got you guys who have quarantine issue and you need to put your names forward when you sign in so we can accomodate you.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 01:45:52 PM
NOpe that the 263+ class

you entered into 250cc open as in 'there is no age limit' its age open.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on August 30, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
Do you want ot be backgraded to EVO on the bike now or do you want ot still run PRe 85 ?? i would check where that class is in realion to your sidecars though as i had already moved the pre 85 class as it was infron of the pre 85 sidecars on the sunday previously, so i though i would do you a favour and move it so you had chance to get your rig to the line.  Check your events before you ask to change anything, then send me an Email as i need any class changes in writing please.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on August 31, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
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Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 01, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
Better pack your good clean race gear..MXTV's   coming to town...
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 01, 2011, 01:20:35 PM
YEp they hope to do a 4 race package to sell onto Fox and pay TV, so wear you good stuff and wash the bike :O)

Might even get some people to sort there number plates out, so they can find themselves.

Few more sleeps now, Santas coming.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on September 01, 2011, 10:11:24 PM
7 sleeps to go
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 02, 2011, 12:45:24 PM
Is there an updated list of competitors available
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 02, 2011, 03:23:21 PM
Safe miles everyone attending and catch you trackside !!
S&A WA
ps Tossa,its gone to print !
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 02, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
forecast doesn't look that bad!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 02, 2011, 04:56:46 PM
I've only got the 7 day forecast and showere easing on Thursday after rain wednesday, sounds like it's clearing
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 02, 2011, 05:27:57 PM
TAken only the other Day not a cloud in the sky...

this is truely Vintage Eutopia,  lets hope it lasts till the 12th Sept  :O)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/Crystalbrookoverheadsept2011.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 02, 2011, 05:29:51 PM
Is there an updated list of competitors available

1   John   Boag
2   Simon   Broad
3   Andrew   Hayden
4   Paul   Copely
5   Andrew   Fergusson
6   Don   Gabsch
7   Andy   Dykes
8   Peter   Shelton
9   Mike   Waters
10   Brett   Harding
11   Matthew   Park
12   Grant   Dodd
13   John   Barry
14   Dale   Newman
15   David   Footner
16   Bill   Watson
W16   Brian   Ward
17   Kieren   Belamarie
18   Walter   Preising
19   Ronald   Tyers
20   Darrin   Buckby
21   Paul   Smith
22   Colin   Kranz
23   Shayne   Saliba
24   Mickey   Clark
25   George   Thomson
26   Jason   Coates
27   Robert   Tumes
28   Sarah   White
29   Nick   Fitzgerald
30   Jason   Knight
31   Martyn   Wedge
32   Ted   Lyas
33   Rob   Hayden
34   Ross   Campbell
35   Troy   Kellaway
36   Alan   Riha
37   Victor   James
38   Henry   Leatham
40   Ray   Smith
41   Ian   Butler
42   Lawrence   Robertson
43   Robert   Luxton
44   Doug   Hayden
45   David   Crack
46   Ian   Wallis
47   Kevin   Brown
50   Colin   Metcher
51   Andrew   Irving
52   Kerry   Marsh
53   Bryan   Finn
54   Craig   Robson
55   Damien   Cook
56   Allan   Smith
57   Mikael   Amberntsson
63   Brent   Arnoldi
64   Adam   Burnett
62   Des   Heaney
65   Daryn   Moore
66   Robert   Ireland
67   Byron   Burnett
68   Robin   Hall
69   Allan   Mitchell
70   Geoff   Lemar
72   Arno   Franz
X72   Brian   Watson
W72   Benjamin   Ward
73   Steven   Dyjak
74   Luke   Kats
75   Steve   Batchelor
76   Corey   Kruger
78   Shane   Fraser
79   Luke   Blesing
80   David   Carney
81   Frank   Derose
82   Nick   Maxfield
83   Gavin   Russack
84   Rick   Speak
86   Noel   Lewis
88   Stephen   Russack
90   Steven   Bowen
91   Geoff   Flink
92   Robin   Groom
95   Graeme   Keogh
96   Rohan   Harris
97   Colin   Jay
100   Kris   Lindgren
101   John   Budd
108   Robert   Knee
109   Daryle   Mitchell
111   Simon   Healy
112   Mitchell   Semmens
117   Russell   Ralph
119   John   Riley
123   Tony   Cavell
124   Frank   Napoli
126   Tom   Jones
127   Bert   Cavell
130   Christopher   Major
135   Graham   Taylor
137   Rob   Kent
141   Brett   Bowen
139   David   Coates
143   Sean   Matthews
144   Stuart   Muntz
145   Greg   Leaney
150   Steven   Melvin
151   Troy   Moynihan
152   Tony   Cavell
153   Jody   Smith
154   Iain   Cameron
162   Ray   Atkins
165   Adam   Thomson
166   Damian   Powardy
169   Barry   Mitcheson
171   Carl   Lindgren
181   Brenton   French
190   Lewis   White
196   Jason   Kane
200   Ron   Chandler
211   Sarah   Knee
222   Kenneth   Swan
223   Ray   Stevens
231   Alan   Davidson
241   Darryl   Giulieri
245   Gerard   Harrison
  247   Ben   Melvin
258   Nicholas   Smith
259   Aaron   Matthews
264   Kell   Amberndtsson
346   Jon   Broad
347   Zac   Mounsey
350   Robert   Coates
370   Justin   Lowen
372   Grant   Schubert
383   Nathan   Cook
396   Phillip   White
401   Phil   Lord
411   Rodney   Gilchrist
489   Glenn   Darroch
501   Gary   Thomas
505   Brian   Cox
603   Ewen   Harrison
701   Garry   Smith
799   Duane   Woolford
857   David   Harrison
V   Peter   Heles
   
   
   SIDECARS   
26   Garry   Payne
51 & 5   Murray   Williams
138   Lee   Banks
999   Rocky   Warren
1   Walter   Preisig
77   Len   Burman
139   David   Coates
35 - 21   Damien   Telke
141   Martyn   Wedge
333 & 3D   Darren   Winter
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 02, 2011, 05:31:51 PM
I will upload the program to the MA site on MONday !  you can print and prepare your own ride lists from them.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on September 02, 2011, 08:51:17 PM
Regarding local bike shops
Boats'n'Bikes in Port Pirie area major sponsor of our event.
Flinders Motorcycles haven't any put any sponsorship up for this event so I urgue you to support our sponsors!
Boats'n'Bikes
Northern Motorcycles (Pt Augusta)
Honda World (adelaide)
Yamaha Pitmans(adelaide)
Bikes'n'Gear (Whyalla)
Bills Motorcycles Adelaide)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on September 02, 2011, 09:10:37 PM

Does anybody  know if 98 octane fuel is available in Crystal brook
Bp  station search does not list it as available ,
Cheers
Noel
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on September 02, 2011, 11:38:27 PM
They had Premium fuel at the boswer but a low turn over of it thou. Best option would be to get it in Pt Pirie or bring it with you.

Learn the true meaning of disappointed today when we went to put my Husky back together and you workout why the cases won't line up as you have been sent the wrong MainShaft!! No riding the Nats at your home trackk!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Watto HVA 1 on September 03, 2011, 12:34:56 AM
D..what sort of main shaft do you need?...what year and  CC?..i may have one to suit...can you build an engine in a couple of days if i bring it from wa..?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on September 05, 2011, 09:32:13 AM
starting to load up now.can anyone tell me if its open or closed pits
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Duane799 on September 06, 2011, 02:13:46 AM
The pits will be a Open Pit as we won't 350 odd bies into a closed pit. You will be able to ride your bikes to the start gate but only at Walking Pace (1st gear). Thats only because the start gate is at the top of the hill from the pit area/camping grounds.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on September 06, 2011, 05:53:14 AM
All loaded heading to catch the boat this afternoon, about to set sail on yet another VMX adventure.Keep your eye open for me on the road a 2wd Ford courier loaded to the top with 4 bikes. The biggest problem at the moment is the gale force winds for tonight on the boat must get some sea sick pills on the way today.

See ya all there

Fatboy #78
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on September 06, 2011, 09:06:47 AM
thanks for the info duanne799
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: gdr on September 06, 2011, 09:11:04 AM
fatboyracing could luck with the boat ride.comming home from the nats in tas last time i thought the bloody thing was going to sink. ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 06, 2011, 12:33:06 PM
All loaded heading to catch the boat this afternoon, about to set sail on yet another VMX adventure.Keep your eye open for me on the road a 2wd Ford courier loaded to the top with 4 bikes. The biggest problem at the moment is the gale force winds for tonight on the boat must get some sea sick pills on the way today.

See ya all there

Fatboy #78

Only cost us 200 $ in fuel to cross OZ.. ;) .tail wind all the way  :P
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 06, 2011, 01:34:22 PM
$200, is that plus the 300 litres already in the tank
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 270YAM on September 10, 2011, 09:31:09 PM
Any results from The event so far? (sidecars! :))
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: LWC82PE on September 10, 2011, 09:39:30 PM
http://www.orion-timing.com/results.htm
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 12, 2011, 11:40:19 AM
Thanks walter for coming out and giving it a crack.  The crystal brook club really did a top effort to get the track and the whole show up there up to such a high level.

If anyone feels moved would they please direct any and all thankyou's and feedback on behalf of your clubs, yourselves or your state directly to the club as this was there event and they need to be recognised as such.

Anything positive too Preferably in writing, so that they can be tabled in there general meetings and all the volunteers who put in the countless hours up there to make the event work for you; can hear that it was all worth there efforts and time and be recognised infront of there peers for a great titles event..

The Crystal Brook Motorcycle Club
P.O. BOX 145 CRYSTAL BROOK S.A. 5523

or Email - via Graeme Eberhard - graemebike@hotmail.com or crystalbrookmcc@gmail.com

Please Remember im just another volunteer, but im sure that the CBMCC wouldnt mind me saying on there behalf  Thank you to all those who entered and travelled so far and hope you enjoyed there event. ;)

Remember MXTV in November and also if you have any links to video or pictures can you please host them up and link or directly post on the face book page so we can gather as many up in one place as possible for all to see.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 12, 2011, 12:32:44 PM
great meet freaky, had an absolute blast
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: philthy on September 12, 2011, 02:38:50 PM
For some photos,click on link or type in Darren Shaw Photography in google,it should come up as "Shawsky's Photos".Well organised and great fun.

http://shawsky.smugmug.com/
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on September 12, 2011, 05:09:59 PM
Fatboy better check out page 6 of shawsky pix; great fromt wheel action :o :o :o
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 35elsinore on September 12, 2011, 08:33:32 PM
What an awesome event with great rides from the young and old. Huge fields of bikes mixed with spectator viewing areas with the whole track in sight made this event second to none. Thanks to the sponsors, club and all volunteers for a weekend never to be forgotten. Hope everyone has a safe trip home and supports the seperate events next year.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 12, 2011, 10:08:54 PM
Congrates on the 3rd, Troy.  you put in the yards during the year so its well deserved.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 12, 2011, 10:24:43 PM
Fatboy better check out page 6 of shawsky pix; great fromt wheel action :o :o :o

i think he was trying his latest " no hander lander" after completing his 'can can' and side step twister. ;D ;D

Hey Dave thanks heaps again for coming over and pitching in even working a mean start line over the 3 days.  Was really good to see both the MA commission guys mucking in with the riders to make these event run like a watch.  Big thanks truly :-*
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on September 13, 2011, 09:03:29 AM
your welcome Kerry; the scars are healing well ;D

Can I also say thanks as I had a great time with a great bunch of people. Lots of times you miss the detail in meetings like this but everything was done 100% - even the toilets were cleaned by a couple of young guys in club kit and were spotless, the canteen was well was well run and clean and tidy. You dont get that everywhere but it was stuff like that in addition to the well run race meeting that add up to a great event.

Well done to you Kerry; without your work and enthusiasm it wouldnt have happened at all.

DT
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
Thanks mate, but like you said without the guys pulling the dirt around and doing the shit jobs like cleaning the toilets out it would have been just another ride day. 

Getting out on the track and riding fired me up all weekend, loved the racing, working on making it to harrisville already, just got to figure out how to get a bike up there.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 09:26:50 AM
please post phots and video links up here so we can find them all !

http://www.facebook.com/pages/2011-Australian-Classic-Motorcross/260528453981099#!/pages/2011-Australian-Classic-Motorcross/260528453981099?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/pages/2011-Australian-Classic-Motorcross/260528453981099#!/pages/2011-Australian-Classic-Motorcross/260528453981099?sk=wall)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: vandy010 on September 13, 2011, 09:31:08 AM
WOW!
those photo's look awesome!
that track looks sweet as 8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 13, 2011, 09:31:47 AM
weres the results
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 09:42:42 AM
orion but ill do a PDF final result log shortly and post it up be easier.  might also push them and the rider numbers over to Face book so we can share it out to the wider community.  there are a lot of photos and go cam vision out there so keep checking back as we track it down :O)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 11:19:31 AM
every state has a legend ,  ol' Murray Williams is ours, after his last aussie title win in 1974 Murray put in the hours with the spanners and got fired up for the classic titles, he took the 68 Triumph out humming smashing all the pre 68 races by a long way in a full field.  

Over 35 years later Murray aged 74 took out his 11th national title against guys half his age.  To see Murray ride and listen to his speech at the presentation opitimises what sportmanship and dedication is all about, all those racers he beat couldnt say enough about how happy they were to have been given the chance to be in a race with there living regend.   He really made my weekend.  :)

http://iphone.news.com.au/stories/717217

(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/09/08/1226132/607427-motocross.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 13, 2011, 12:41:18 PM
Although I couldnt make it this year, from all reports Freaky and Co have lifted the bar quite substantially....good on ya's....I'm even more jealous now I didnt go.....well done Freaky. 8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 13, 2011, 02:40:05 PM
I'm extremely disappointed that I wasn't able to get to Crystal Brook but I'm stoked that the event went off so well. It was a big task for Freaky and the Crystal Brook club to get a good roll up but he managed to get it all together. Congratulations to Freaky, the Crystal Brook club and those hardy competitors who took the punt on travelling so far to compete at what is still our sport's Holy Grail.

Next year will be huge as it's the first year of the split Nats concept. I'm not sure if the venues are finalised yet but wherever they're held I hope competitors from both sides of the era split make a big effort to make sure that both events succeed.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: worms on September 13, 2011, 02:44:07 PM
well done Freaky and all those who made the effort to race, looks like you've set a new benchmark for the VMX Nats.

Cheers Worms
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tahitian_Red on September 13, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
Wow!  Great track and great looking bikes!

I went through the pics on the Darren Shaw site and this was my favorite.  It made think of Roger D.

http://shawsky.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Crystal-Brook-Australian/18957849_RKMrk3#1473206234_v7GwCwf

 ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 13, 2011, 04:05:12 PM
freaky the results ;) please
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 13, 2011, 04:17:51 PM
Paul....the results have been up for a couple of days on Leiths post on the previous page ;).
http://www.orion-timing.com/results.htm (http://www.orion-timing.com/results.htm)
Quote
Wow!  Great track and great looking bikes!
Jay, why not come on down to race at next years Nats or to party and ride at Classic Dirt? We've had a number of your fellow countrymen race at the Nats and a few at Classic Dirt over the years and all of them have had a hoot of a time. I doubt you'd have any problems finding bikes to race or ride and places to stay, we're a pretty friendly down here ;D. You're welcome to race any of my bikes......come on down, you'll love it.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 04:31:32 PM
Ill put up a results spreadsheet tonight or tomoorw for you paul but it might be on the FB page so the wider community gets it too.  will confirm when i have done it.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 04:33:53 PM
YEp it really went out with a bang, im glad it went well as it was the last before the split and it needed to be sent off in style !  the sidcars coming on board really made it a full house event with all catagories an Australian Title, what more can you ask for - you couldnt wish for a better send off for the end of that era of the single big event format. :)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
Tony T did you make it down there ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 13, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
Paul....the results have been up for a couple of days on Leiths post on the previous page ;).
http://www.orion-timing.com/results.htm (http://www.orion-timing.com/results.htm)
Quote
Wow!  Great track and great looking bikes!
Jay, why not come on down to race at next years Nats or to party and ride at Classic Dirt? We've had a number of your fellow countrymen race at the Nats and a few at Classic Dirt over the years and all of them have had a hoot of a time. I doubt you'd have any problems finding bikes to race or ride and places to stay, we're a pretty friendly down here ;D. You're welcome to race any of my bikes......come on down, you'll love it.
some off the classes dont have final rounds listed
http://www.orion-timing.com/results.htm
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
Gee's Paul, your a ball breaker.......... Like i said wait and ill put up an excell spread sheet soon. 
Maybe you should have come and marked them off in the program as they went by if your that desperate for  details   :)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 13, 2011, 05:30:07 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 13, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
Firko, next years Pre 78 Nats are at Harrisville, a couple of K's from Willowbank Raceway (30k's from Brisbane), awesome track, it will be fast, 4th and 5th of May I'm lead to believe....start getting those old jalopies ready......no excuses for not having 3 or 4 of your bikes there Mark....and if Jay wants to come on down, theres plenty of bikes to ride, infact Brad may have the Ossa you sold him going.....wouldnt that be a hoot....ride one of your bikes 2 million miles away ;D....Col Metcher was at Crystal Brook and he's running it so he knows how high the bars set. Cant wait.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: bazza on September 13, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
May Nats and June C.lassic dirt? some one will loose out
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GD66 on September 13, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
Too bad ! There was more than a suspicion of "aah, bugger it!" about the Crystal Brook nats, and as usual those who ignored all the negativity turned up and had a blinder, by all accounts. Those from Qld who refuse to travel out of state because everywhere's too far had better support both events to the max, and out-of-staters have plenty of notice and time to sort out whether to attend one, two, or none of the events on offer.
Baz, if there's one thing I've learnt from running bike race events, it's that you can't worry about what might happen, or who you might upset. Book the date, and give it buggery : Freaky and the gang from the Crystal Brook club have just proved that in spades.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: FDR on September 13, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
Congratulations to Freaky & Crystal Brook mcc for running a superb event.
Awesome track, four & five lap races, spot on weather, lovely people.
My bikes ran well, memorable week.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 13, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
fastest lap time was about 1:56 average was 2:15 - period, age or size didnt seem to make a lot of differance  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tony T on September 14, 2011, 07:40:16 AM
Tony T did you make it down there ???

Unfortunately not.
Sounds like I missed out on a good weekend.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 14, 2011, 09:16:22 AM
orion but ill do a PDF final result log shortly and post it up be easier.  might also push them and the rider numbers over to Face book so we can share it out to the wider community.  there are a lot of photos and go cam vision out there so keep checking back as we track it down :O)
no hurry freaky just take your time ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 10:58:51 AM
Final Result: PRE 1965 SOLO 250
            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
         
1   1   JOHN BOAG   VIC   75
2   47   KEVIN  BROWN   NSW   66
3   1062   DES HEANEY   VIC   58
4   50   COLIN METCHER   QLD   56

Final Result: PRE 1965 SOLO 263+            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   152   TONY CAVELL   QLD    25
2   82   NICK MAXFIELD   WA   22
3   96   ROHAN  HARRIS   VIC   20
4   101   JOHN BUDD   VIC   18
5   264   KELL AMBERNDTSSON   VIC   16
6   145   GREG LEANEY   VIC   15
7   62   DES HEANEY   VIC   14
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 10:59:05 AM
Do you want them all or just the top 3-4 ??
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 10:59:17 AM
Final Result: PRE 1970 SOLO 250            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   100   KRIS  LINDGREN   WA   72
2   231   ALAN  DAVIDSON   SA   60
3   1   JOHN BOAG   VIC   58
4   245   GERARD HARRISON   NSW   53
5   68   ROBIN HALL   VIC   51
6   52   KERRY MARSH   SA   46
7   80   DAVID CARNEY   VIC   42
8   139   DAVID COATES   VIC   34
9   154   IAIN CAMERON   TAS   31
10   857   DAVID HARRISON   NSW   24
11   211   SARAH KNEE   TAS   22
12   62   DES HEANEY   VIC   21
13   145   GREG LEANEY   VIC   11
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 10:59:49 AM
Final Result: PRE 1970 SOLO 263+            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   1   JOHN BOAG   VIC   72
2   82   NICK MAXFIELD   WA   62
3   171   CARL LINDGREN   WA   60
4   68   ROBIN HALL   VIC   51
5   52   KERRY MARSH   SA   46
6   70   GEOFF LEMAR   SA   44
7   127   BERT CAVELL   QLD    36
8   86   NOEL LEWIS   NSW   29
9   152   TONY CAVELL   QLD    25
10   51   ANDREW IRVING   WA   13
11   101   JOHN BUDD   VIC   12
12   18   WALTER PREISIG   SA   11
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:00:17 AM
Final Result: PRE 1975 SOLO 125            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   258   NICHOLAS SMITH   VIC   72
2   153   JODY  SMITH   VIC   69
3   35   TROY  KELLAWAY   SA   58
4   27   ROBERT  TUMES   NSW   56
5   117   RUSSELL RALPH   QLD   40
6   W72   BENJAMIN WARD   QLD   38
7   36   ALAN  RIHA   VIC   37
8   112   MITCHELL SEMMENS   QLD   36
9   101   JOHN BUDD   VIC   31
10   33   ROB HAYDEN   SA   27
11   411   RODNEY  GILCHRIST   WA   26
12   W16   BRIAN WARD   QLD   24
13   83   GAVIN RUSSACK   SA   16
14   383   NATHAN  COOK   SA   16
15   56   ALLAN  SMITH   SA   15
16   25   GEORGE  THOMSON   SA   15
17   12   GRANT DODD   VIC   15
18   28   SARAH WHITE   SA   13
19   3   ANDREW  HAYDEN   SA   12
20   67   BYRON BURNETT   SA   11
21   44   DOUG HAYDEN   SA   9
22   171   CARL LINDGREN   WA   8
23   91   GEOFF  FLINK   SA   6
24   88   STEPHEN RUSSACK   SA   2
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
Final Result: PRE 1975 SOLO 250            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   247   BEN  MELVIN   WA   72
2   14   DALE  NEWMAN   SA   62
3   109   DARYLE MITCHELL   WA   49
4   92   ROBIN GROOM   SA   47
5   65   DARYN MOORE   QLD   42
6   171   KRISTOFER LINDGREN   WA   41
7   84   RICK SPEAK   WA   40
8   22   COLIN  KRANZ   SA   35
9   29   NICK  FITZGERALD   WA   32
10   88   STEPHEN RUSSACK      32
11   27   ROBERT  TUMES   NSW   29
12   112   MITCHELL SEMMENS   QLD   25
13   81   FRANK DEROSE   VIC    20
14   63   BRENT ARNOLDI   WA   20
15   75   STEVE  BATCHELOR   SA   20
16   83   GAVIN RUSSACK   SA   19
17   123   TONY CAVELL   QLD    18
18   117   RUSSELL RALPH   QLD   17
19   40   RAY  SMITH   VIC   15
20   124   FRANK NAPOLI   VIC    7
21   119   JOHN RILEY   WA   6
22   43   ROBERT  LUXTON   SA   5
23   396   PHILLIP WHITE   SA   3
24   73   STEVEN  DYJAK   WA   3
25   211   SARAH KNEE   TAS   2
26   166   DAMIAN  POWARDY   SA   1
27   5   ANDREW  FERGUSSON   SA   1
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:01:29 AM
Final Result: PRE 1975 SOLO 263+
1   153   JODY  SMITH   VIC   66
2   4   PAUL COPELY   WA   65
3   90   STEVEN  BOWEN   VIC   50
4   65   DARYN MOORE   QLD   50
5   52   KERRY MARSH   SA   43
6   112   MITCHELL SEMMENS   QLD   42
7   117   RUSSELL RALPH   QLD   37
8   100   KRIS  LINDGREN   WA   36
9   24   MICKEY CLARK   NSW   32
10   86   NOEL LEWIS   NSW   30
11   68   ROBIN HALL   VIC   29
12   34   ROSS CAMPBELL   WA   25
13   27   ROBERT  TUMES   NSW   20
14   43   ROBERT  LUXTON   SA   18
15   78   SHANE FRASER   TAS   18
16   143   SEAN  MATTHEWS   WA   17
17   501   GARY THOMAS   WA   14
18   72   BRIAN WATSON   SA   13
19   73   STEVEN  DYJAK   WA   6
20   169   BARRY  MITCHESON   WA   4
21   154   IAIN CAMERON   TAS   4
22   51   ANDREW IRVING   WA   3
23   37   VICTOR JAMES   WA   3
24   16   BILL WATSON   WA   1
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:02:11 AM
Final Result: PRE 1975 SOLO 4 STROKE            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   78   ROBERT KNEE   Tas   72
2   14   DALE NEWMAN   SA   69
3   82   NICK MAXFIELD   WA   60
4   181   BRENTON FRENCH   SA   54
5   86   NOEL LEWIS   NSW   48
6   127   BERT CAVELL   QLD    39
7   95   GRAEME KEOGH   VIC   30
8   96   ROHAN  HOLLIS   VIC   29
9   166   DAMIAN  POWARDY   SA   28
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:02:50 AM
Final Result: PRE 1978 SOLO 125            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   258   NICHOLAS SMITH   VIC   72
2   153   JODY  SMITH   VIC   69
3   11   MATTHEW  PARK   NSW   60
4   401   PHIL  LORD   SA   54
5   36   ALAN  RIHA   VIC   48
6   31   MARTYN  WEDGE   SA   45
7   211   SARAH KNEE   TAS   40
8   8   PETER SHELTON   SA   35
9   86   NOEL LEWIS   NSW   28
10   W72   BENJAMIN WARD   QLD   25
11   32   TED LYAS   SA   21

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:06:38 AM
Final Result: PRE 1978 SOLO 250            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   21   PAUL SMITH   SA   75
2   72   ARNO FRANZ   VIC   66
3   857   DAVID HARRISON   NSW   54
4   52   KERRY MARSH   SA   53
5   46   IAN WALLIS   SA   44
6   V   PETER  HELES   SA   36
7   8   PETER SHELTON   SA   27
8   67   BYRON BURNETT   SA   26
9   603   EWEN HARRISON   NSW   18
10   32   TED LYAS                   SA   0
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:07:04 AM
Final Result: PRE 1978 SOLO 263+            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   153   JODY  SMITH   VIC   72
2   15   DAVID  FOOTNER   SA   69
3   141   BRETT  BOWEN   VIC   60
4   372   GRANT SCHUBERT   SA   52
5   9   MIKE WATERS   WA   45
6   100   KRIS  LINDGREN   WA   34
7   333   DARREN  WINTER   SA   29
8   97   COLIN JAY      28
9   37   VICTOR JAMES   WA   14
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:08:22 AM
Final Result: EVOLUTION SOLO 125            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   108   ROBERT  KNEE   TAS   75
2   247   BEN  MELVIN   WA   64
3   12   GRANT DODD   VIC   62
4   20   DARRIN  BUCKBY   SA   54
5   86   NOEL LEWIS   NSW   46
6   W72   BENJAMIN WARD   QLD   46
7   6   DON GABSCH   VIC   43
8   66   ROBERT  IRELAND   VIC   36
9   95   GRAEME KEOGH   VIC   36
10   32   TED LYAS   SA   13
11   36   ALAN RIHA      12
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:08:34 AM
Final Result: EVOLUTION SOLO 250            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   90   STEVEN  BOWEN   VIC   70
2   2   SIMON BROAD   QLD   65
3   258   NICHOLAS SMITH   VIC   58
4   5   ANDREW  FERGUSSON   SA   56
5   55   DAMIEN COOK   SA   52
6   54   CRAIG ROBSON   NSW   41
7   181   BRENTON FRENCH   SA   38
8   12   GRANT DODD   VIC   31
9   45   DAVID CRACK   TAS   28
10   13   JOHN BARRY   SA   27
11   81   FRANK DEROSE   VIC    26
12   11   MATTHEW  PARK   NSW   26
13   44   DOUG HAYDEN   SA   25
14   401   PHIL  LORD   SA   23
15   3   ANDREW  HAYDEN   SA   20
16   190   LEWIS  WHITE   WA   19
17   30   JASON KNIGHT   SA   18
18   24   MICKEY CLARK   NSW   15
19   701   GARRY SMITH   SA   10
20   241   DARRYL  GIULIERI   VIC   7
21   144   STUART  MUNTZ   VIC   3
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:08:50 AM
Final Result: EVOLUTION SOLO 263+            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   126   TOM  JONES   SA   75
2   141   STEVEN  BOWEN   VIC   66
3   111   SIMON HEALY   VIC   60
4   57   MIKAEL AMBERNTSSON   VIC   54
5   17   KIEREN BELAMARIE   SA   48
6   15   DAVID  FOOTNER   SA   45
7   23   SHAYNE SALIBA   VIC   38
8   165   ADAM  THOMSON   NSW   33
9   53   BRYAN  FINN   SA   30
10   45   DAVID CRACK   Tas   25
11   857   DAVID HARRISON   NSW   25
12   9   MIKE WATERS      19
13   223   RAY STEVENS      14
14   144   STUART  MUNTZ   VIC   10
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:09:08 AM
Final Result: PRE 85 SOLO 125            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   258   NICHOLAS SMITH   VIC   65
2   247   BEN  MELVIN   WA   62
3   383   NATHAN  COOK   SA   58
4   20   DARRIN  BUCKBY   SA   45
5   6   DON GABSCH   VIC   42
6   12   GRANT DODD   VIC   42
7   66   ROBERT  IRELAND   VIC   39
8   346   JON BROAD   QLD   34
9   14   DALE  NEWMAN   SA   25
10   11   MATTHEW  PARK   NSW   16
11   95   GRAEME KEOGH   VIC   11
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
Final Result: PRE 1985 SOLO 250            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   108   ROBERT  KNEE   TAS   75
2   14   DALE  NEWMAN   SA   64
3   55   DAMIEN COOK   SA   54
4   370   JUSTIN  LOWEN   SA   52
5   90   STEVEN  BOWEN   VIC   42
6   29   NICK  FITZGERALD   WA   41
7   196   JASON KANE   SA   35
8   54   CRAIG ROBSON   NSW   30
9   165   ADAM  THOMSON   NSW   29
10   137   ROB KENT   VIC   29
11   72   ARNO FRANZ   VIC   24
12   190   LEWIS WHITE      21
13   12   GRANT DODD   VIC   15
14   13   JOHN BARRY   SA   14
15   701   GARRY SMITH   SA   10
16   18   WALTER  PREISIG   SA   7
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:09:34 AM
Final Result: PRE 85 SOLO 263+            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   126   TOM  JONES   SA   75
2   17   KIEREN BELAMARIE   SA   62
3   111   SIMON HEALY   VIC   56
4   4   PAUL COPELY   WA   52
5   108   ROBERT  KNEE   TAS   43
6   799   DUANE WOOLFORD   SA   41
7   141   BRETT  BOWEN   VIC   41
8   57   MIKAEL AMBERNTSSON   VIC   36
9   54   CRAIG ROBSON   NSW   35
10   10   BRETT  HARDING   SA   34
11   42   LAWRENCE ROBERTSON   SA   24
12   347   ZAC  MOUNSEY   SA   24
13   333   LUKE BLESING   SA   22
14   857   GERARD HARRISON   NSW   19
15   23   SHAYNE SALIBA   VIC   10
16   701   GARRY SMITH   SA   8
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:09:53 AM
Final Result: PRE 1968 SIDECAR            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   51   WILLIAMS/LANG   SA   72
2   999   WARREN/CARTER   SA   61
3   38   BANKS/SUTTON   SA   60
4   350   COATES/TBA   VIC   40
5   35   TELKE/TUCKEY   SA   36
6   3   WINTER/GROOM & MARTIN   SA   33
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
Final Result: PRE 1985 SIDECARS            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   999   WARREN/CARTER   SA   72
2   141   WEDGE/LOEHR   SA   69
3   5   WILLIAMS/LANG   SA   60
4   21   TELKE/TUCKEY   SA   54
5   26   PAYNE/PAYNE   SA   46
6   77   BURMAN/EWINS   SA   32
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:12:25 AM
Final Result: PRE 75 UNDER 30            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   108   ROB KNEE   TAS   66
2   247   BEN  MELVIN   WA   65
3   79   LUKE  BLESING   SA   52
4   90   STEVEN  BOWEN   Vic   50
5   44   DOUG HAYDEN   SA   42
6   28   SARAH WHITE   SA   36
7   26   JASON COATES   VIC   36
8   383   NATHAN  COOK   SA   30
9   W72   BENJAMIN WARD      29
10   166   DAMIAN  POWARDY   SA   24
11   171   CARL LINDGREN   WA   18
12   12   GRANT DODD   VIC   14
13   603   EWEN HARRISON   NSW   12
14   211   SARAH KNEE   Tas   11
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Final Result: PRE 75 30-39            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   92   ROBIN GROOM   SA   75
2   88   STEPHEN RUSSACK   SA   64
3   112   MITCHELL SEMMENS   QLD   58
4   30   JASON KNIGHT   SA   50
5   259   AARON  MATTHEWS   WA   47
6   143   SEAN  MATTHEWS   WA   46
7   109   DARYLE MITCHELL   WA   22
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:13:09 AM
Final Result: PRE 75 40-49            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   4   PAUL COPELY   WA   72
2   153   JODY  SMITH   VIC   69
3   35   TROY  KELLAWAY   SA   49
4   5   ANDREW  FERGUSSON   SA   47
5   52   KERRY MARSH   SA   41
6   22   COLIN  KRANZ   SA   39
7   84   RICK SPEAK   WA   36
8   65   DARYN MOORE   Qld   31
9   27   ROBERT  TUMES   NSW   31
10   231   ALAN  DAVIDSON   SA   29
11   83   GAVIN RUSSACK   SA   28
12   63   BRENT ARNOLDI   WA   26
13   123   TONY CAVELL   Qld    20
14   14   DALE  NEWMAN   SA   18
15   171   CARL LINDGREN   WA   16
16   51   ANDREW IRVING   WA   13
17   96   ROHAN  HOLLIS   Vic   11
18   181   BRENTON FRENCH   SA   10
19   75   STEVE  BATCHELOR   SA   9
20   78   SHANE FRASER   TAS   8
21   411   RODNEY  GILCHRIST   WA   6
22   80   DAVID CARNEY   VIC   5
23   73   STEVEN  DYJAK   WA   2
24   124   FRANK NAPOLI   Vic   1
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
Final Result: PRE 75 50-59            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
1   29   NICK  FITZGERALD   WA   69
2   81   FRANK DEROSE   Vic   61
3   68   ROBIN HALL   VIC   60
4   117   RUSSELL RALPH   Qld   47
5   82   NICK MAXFIELD   WA   47
6   86   NOEL LEWIS   NSW   44
7   33   ROB HAYDEN   SA   38
8   24   MICKEY CLARK   NSW   32
9   16   BRIAN WARD   QLD   30
10   36   ALAN  RIHA   Vic   29
11   139   DAVID COATES   VIC   27
12   501   GARY THOMAS   WA   26
13   43   ROBERT  LUXTON   SA   23
14   40   RAY  SMITH   vic   20
15   701   GARRY SMITH   SA   16
16   25   GEORGE  THOMSON   SA   15
17   119   JOHN RILEY   WA   15
18   396   PHILLIP WHITE   SA   14
19   259   AARON MATTHEWS   WA   14
20   V   PETER  HELES   SA   10
21   95   GRAEME KEOGH   Vic   9
22   46   IAN WALLIS   SA   6
23   34   ROSS CAMPBELL   WA   1
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
Final Result: PRE 75 60-69            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
         
1   1   JOHN BOAG   Vic   72
2   58   CLYDE TUCKER   SA   62
3   47   KEVIN  BROWN   NSW   56
4   91   GEOFF  FLINK   SA   47
5   101   JOHN BUDD   Vic   34
6   37   VICTOR JAMES   WA   34
7   69   ALLAN MITCHELL   WA   30
8   145   GREG LEANEY   Vic   24
   
Final Result: PRE 75 age 70+            
Pl   N°   Rider   Fed.   Total
         
1   135   GRAHAM TAYLOR   WA   42
2   50   COLIN METCHER   QLD   39
3   264   KELL AMBERNDTSSON   VIC   30
4   127   BERT CAVELL   Qld    23
5   19   RONALD TYERS   WA   21
6   16   BILL WATSON   WA   13
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 14, 2011, 11:14:15 AM
thanks freaky just want to see if jody smith won on my old aw maico
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:14:20 AM
well why didnt you just ask that   ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
Freaky What class is the one before last....you left out the title. ;)

Tried to post in ERA and Capacity order, and then ages
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: paul on September 14, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
mmm  well i can read the rest now thanks  :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 14, 2011, 11:35:17 AM
Quote
Firko, next years Pre 78 Nats are at Harrisville, a couple of K's from Willowbank Raceway (30k's from Brisbane), awesome track, it will be fast, 4th and 5th of May I'm lead to believe....start getting those old jalopies ready......no excuses for not having 3 or 4 of your bikes there Mark
The only excuse stopping me is the same reason I didn't go to Crystal Brook, my current mobility issues. Hopefully I should be on the road to recovery by then.
"Old Jalopies" >:( I prefer craftsman built specials ;) but whatever we call them, the plan is for them to be there amongst a decent Klub Kevlar support of the pre inaugural '78 Nats. Tony Clarke is signed to ride the Cheney RT1 in pre '70/500 and hopefully my Boyd and Stellings TM400 in pre '75/500. If it looks like it'll be competitive I'll probably also enter the Hindall DT1 in pre '70/250 with another A grade mate aboard. I had a capuchino with Jonesy this morning and he told me that he's intending on entering pre '65 with Black Betty and pre '60 with his Monark 500 GP. We're also planning on an even bigger onslaught of the DT Nats at Canberra.
More new as it comes into the studio ;).
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 12:43:54 PM
I think the harisville date is more like JUne....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: GEORGE on September 14, 2011, 04:46:17 PM


  I noticed the name Tom Jones took a number of class wins, please
  tell me thats not the Tom Jones who races the MX Nationals in
  the Pro Lites class  >:(.

                            GEORGE
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: bazza on September 14, 2011, 04:57:05 PM
No tom Jones is from wales and when he sings after VMX meetings the girls threw nickers at him
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 14, 2011, 05:01:32 PM
Thats the one George, factory pilot.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 05:16:59 PM
  I noticed the name Tom Jones took a number of class wins, please
  tell me thats not the Tom Jones who races the MX Nationals in
  the Pro Lites class  >:(.
                           GEORGE

When i asked Tom why his 79 ?l old clanger Rm400 had a full width hub front and rear, which i thought was a bit poxy and not a conical hub, he replied with a blank look on his face - "Dude i have no idea what your taking about a conical what  ??? "

 - the front brake hub there i said -  'Not sure man,  am i using that part ???? '  :D :D

Let me tell you he put on a riding display and showed everyone how to ride an old bike at full noise.  very impressive so turn that frown upsidedown, it was like Gally or leisk  in a MR motorcross timewarp....... smooth - worth the admission price, the crowd loved it   ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: supersenior 50 on September 14, 2011, 05:21:45 PM
Re bazza's reply 630 yesterday, after much toing & froing and discussion with Alistair of VMX, CD9 is now later in the year and the Classic MX Nats have taken the Queens Birthday weekend 9th,10th,11th June. More on this later.
I add my congratulations to everyone involved in the Crystal Brook event.
To all those pessimists who were spreading doom over Pre 75, there were 107 Pre75, 31 Pre70, and 16 Pre65 at Crystal Brook.
Pre60 will be a featured class at 2012 Nats, with extra incentives, so we hope to showcase these truly vintage bikes.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 14, 2011, 05:34:43 PM
Freaky and the CBMCC - best Nats I have seen - ever - great venue - excellent event all round - well done and what a send off for the last of the "combined" Nats!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 07:15:50 PM
The Club did a huge effort,  seeings it only a couple of guys from what i can tell in it, they did a top effort.

YOU left the presentationn before i could get to your tri state trophy......  i thought you where still there so i still went to present it, turned around but as only fat boy was there it went down like a led balloon.

Still i have my favourite foto, maybe we should have had a bet after all  .....

Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 14, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
Freaky the pre65 over 263cc, your results show as tony Cavell winning, yet on Saturday night, Nick maxfield was declared Champion by a point was there a mix up


Barry
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 14, 2011, 08:56:56 PM
yes Tossa - as Freaky had said - results were provisional until timing results were confirmed and there had been a mistake in the calcs - so Tony was actually the winner.

Freaky - sorry about that mate - I heard it didn't go down like a lead balloon though - people just laid shit on you for winning it????   ;D  I had nothing to do with that eh!!!

Favourite photo - which one was that?????

cheers bud
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Noel on September 14, 2011, 09:02:43 PM
Results on MA web site

http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=420
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
well  Ross, it was a toss up  ;D  between

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318737_2412150230292_1447363651_2894934_1418498133_n.jpg)

And then again i kinda liked this one too but you have to be looking to get it  ;) maybe next time you wont have to be watching me so hard and trying to get a rev up in the weeks lead up :D :D

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306985_2412155990436_1447363651_2894950_7277048_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
Freaky the pre65 over 263cc, your results show as tony Cavell winning, yet on Saturday night, Nick maxfield was declared Champion by a point was there a mix up
Barry

Yes timing was provisional and as we did the trophy hand over i noticed on the sheet the point scoring on the last round went down the page as line crossing and not as per scored seperately  as it had been in the mornings 2nd round, ( we had brought the last 250cc across a day early if you remeber as the riders asked we combine the events due to dead bike numbers) unfortunalty it wasnt until the presso did i see the issue and to both tony cavells and Nick maxwells credite we were able to easily and swiftly resolve it.

We didnt want to embarrass either rider so we discussed it with nick straight after the PResntation on SAt night, with a TBC when the timing people came back in the morning.  As it was incorrectly provided to us, when we got the final standing we elected to just present Tony with a class win on the sunday as per normal and 99% of the people wouldnt have noticed, so thanks for letting our little slip up out.    :-[
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 14, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
Sorry mate, i had just wrote a report of the meet for the VMXWA club and didn't want to put out the wrong info

Barry
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 10:36:49 PM
NO probs.  we just dont want it to spoil the guys holiday with us.

any way lets just enjoy these  ;D 

I think shane has been practicing his serious face  or could this be blue magnum he is working on ;)

(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0679_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 14, 2011, 10:40:04 PM
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0683_.jpg)

(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0690_.jpg)

(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0695_.jpg)

(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0910_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 15, 2011, 11:26:25 AM
Freaky - I can never let a chance go by - even if I am going to get a flogging I talk a good race before hand!!!!!

And yes - I think I get the second photo!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 15, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
Love you and thanks for making the effort to come over.   Infact cheers to all the WA guys, they made a good showing.

I still love the look of that tractor unloading the truck, someoen needs to post that picture up here - GOLD !

And thanks to miss Ali for the nicest hug i have had in a long time ( i hope you werent drunk at that time of day)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 15, 2011, 12:50:58 PM
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox_171.jpg)
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-1071_.jpg)(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox_202.jpg)
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox_210.jpg)
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0961_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: shelpi on September 15, 2011, 01:00:41 PM
 ;DWOW THAT WAS MY FIRST EVER NATS AND WHAT A HUMBLEING AND AMMAZEING EXPERIANCE, THANKS FREAKY AND EVERYONE ELSE FOR A FANTASTIC TIME.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 15, 2011, 01:05:58 PM
NO problem Peter, its Guys like you that make it to the track and enjoy the ride that makes VMX as a sport what it is.  I hope you keep it up now you have rekindle you passion for the old Bikes.

Col metcher
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-1086_.jpg)
Murray williams
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0990_.jpg)
iain cameron
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-1317_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 15, 2011, 01:16:20 PM
Nice one Daryn moore
(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-1458_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 17, 2011, 08:55:36 PM
every paper before during and after the event  :P

http://www.theflindersnews.com.au/news/local/sport/motorbike-racing/motocross-championship-roars-into-town/2276718.aspx

http://www.northernargus.com.au/news/local/sport/motorbike-racing/restored-classic-to-be-put-to-test/2276393.aspx


BMW Photography has some very nice shots on facebook also website
http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/events/australian-classic-motox-crystal-brook/
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 12:34:49 AM
Post your links with the others http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/2011-Australian-Classic-Motorcross/260528453981099 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/2011-Australian-Classic-Motorcross/260528453981099)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 19, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
does anybody have contact with Craig from Classicshots so as to see when he is going to upload his photos???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: mx250 on September 19, 2011, 10:02:13 AM

(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox-0961_.jpg)

There's some perverse bastards out there  :D

Great to see - in the true spirit of 'having fun' and historic racing  8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 19, 2011, 10:25:04 AM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/kids.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on September 19, 2011, 10:41:59 AM
WHAT great ambassadors for our sport these two are-we heard they gave kids rides around the pits all day and should get the 'spirit of event' award for sure.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 19, 2011, 11:10:25 AM
as shown the end of the weekend determines who/how many are left on the grid  8) pre85/125
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ben-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 19, 2011, 11:22:47 AM
we heard they gave kids rides around the pits all day
not true -utter gossip ;D

Talking of awards this rider did about 60 meters straight down the start straight and that was it for the whole weekend,ended up with a busted wrist-stuck throttle  :'(

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/P9090454.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: mx250 on September 19, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
we heard they gave kids rides around the pits all day
not true -utter gossip ;D

Talking of awards this rider did about 60 meters straight down the start straight and that was it for the whole weekend,ended up with a busted wrist-stuck throttle  :'(

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/P9090454.jpg)
:o :o.

Stop that; you're feeding my paranoia  :P (my paranoia in my own stupidity and mechanical nouse)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 11:43:42 AM
its all about tyre placement !!!!!!  Thats 3 ticks for the TRack guys
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
does anybody have contact with Craig from Classicshots so as to see when he is going to upload his photos???

go to the 2011 Australian Classic motorcross page on Face book, all the links are up there Ross.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 19, 2011, 11:51:55 AM
How cool is that old dunger sidecar with box? That's just the thing that draws the families to these events. It's little things like this that stick in peoples minds so another salute to whoever's idea it was to include that outfit and its owner in the event. Just looking at the photos tells me it'd never pass proper scrutineering so hats off to the "blind eye guy" for letting it through.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 19, 2011, 12:01:58 PM
and one from the little island-Tassie  8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/P9090462.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 19, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
for the love of it !!
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/P9090458.jpg)
this reminds me-one of the riders had his full speedway gear on (#75 Steve Batchelor XL Honda)--looked excellent.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ready.jpg)
Really great bunch of people the Tassweegins !!
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/P9110491.jpg)
Home time for some-38 bikes,22 riders,17 pit crew and 13 podiums for West Oz makes for a good weekend 8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/P9110488.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 19, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
I'm assuming the DT1's Fatboy Shanes bike, but with DT's number? The bike looks good. Old Bill's still as handsome I notice....and continuing a long held tradition of rebuilding his bikes during the meeting by the looks of it! Legend!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 12:45:55 PM
How cool is that old dunger sidecar with box? That's just the thing that draws the families to these events. It's little things like this that stick in peoples minds so another salute to whoever's idea it was to include that outfit and its owner in the event. Just looking at the photos tells me it'd never pass proper scrutineering so hats off to the "blind eye guy" for letting it through.

there was a lot of effort needed on the day to get it over th eline.  alll credit to dave and the owner for working through safetly issues to ensue we all got to see pre sidecars in all there glory.  Notice the spare tyre that was on the back was removed, and all sort of sharp edges covered in duct tape.  in the end its worth looking at the first few pages inthe moms.  the rest of the book is irrelivant if you can see pass that page where it goes into details about the book jjust being a guide the most important part is to use common sence and the overriding spirit of competition.

Hats off to all that that did the right thing and competed in the spirit of competiton and poo poo to those few who tried to slip through a few not so well thought out underhands.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 12:46:36 PM
I'm assuming the DT1's Fatboy Shanes bike, but with DT's number?

firko -Shanes bike running Sarah Knee number as she rode it all weekend.

the piston they pulled out of the DT1 on friday.. its a beauty  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 19, 2011, 01:04:35 PM
(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/RIMG0058_low-res_AustNationals_Sept_2011.jpg)

most of the West Australians
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on September 19, 2011, 02:20:45 PM
All credit to those that took the time, effort and dollars to do what appears to have bee n a thoroughly marvelous event. Those of us that stayed at home can only lament what we missed-as we step closer to the grave......and another lost oppurtunity.
South Aust. is as close as we will ever get to being a fair shot for all to come together and race these events as it's kinda in the middle of this great brown land.
The only other way to have a fair shot would be if we could put together some sort of "invitational" where-by we could get enough bikes of competitive nature and bring the riders to them in whichever state was to run the event. Now that would be a good round-up for sure.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
Well you cant say we didnt do everythign in our power to promote the event and get as many peole across the line as we could.   :-[

To mind mind it was the best send off to the old format as was possible, eveyone a title event and every participant seemed to enjoy the ride as well, some times its just not about winning and getting track time.  some times its just about being part of somthing good. thgis was somthing good for the soul.  ;)

yep you missed a beauty... :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: firko on September 19, 2011, 03:59:22 PM
Whose broken Arnaco shock is that? I've been running them for years and I've never seen that before ???.
If the owner's interested in selling the broken shock and it's mate I'm willing to buy them for a reasonable price. ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 04:04:11 PM
see knobby knee it think that one was off shanes DT1
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on September 19, 2011, 04:13:34 PM
My guess is that the Nationals will go to hell in a handbasket from here.......
We should have taken the high ground (Easter weekend) and fought to the last man/bullet/piston ring/master link/cable nipple. You all know what I mean.
We wont last in a fragmented system-not enough workers to go round.
There. I said It.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 04:28:02 PM
mmmm cable nipple.  there i said it.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on September 19, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
you're a sick bugger.... :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
last minute pep talk ?

http://www.classicshots.com.au/gallery/browse/1335
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 19, 2011, 05:38:32 PM
How cool is that old dunger sidecar with box? That's just the thing that draws the families to these events. It's little things like this that stick in peoples minds so another salute to whoever's idea it was to include that outfit and its owner in the event. Just looking at the photos tells me it'd never pass proper scrutineering so hats off to the "blind eye guy" for letting it through.

Im not sure its a dunger , its called another name - soul.  http://www.classicshots.com.au/gallery/browse/1309#

image 92.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on September 19, 2011, 08:29:51 PM
Hi Mark,
It is mine off my XL I have been using them for years too,I have never had any troubles, But this time the pounding it took at Crystal Brook over about 30 races for the weekend It just died and died in a big way. Firstly the seals leaked all the oil out and we topped it up but it only lasted one race. next race it slightly bent the shaft and on the second last race it seized solid and on the last race it completely broke the eyes off leaving young Rob to ride the last 2 laps as a mono shock bike.He still finished 2nd and won the Aust Champ.I havent seen both eyes broken off any shock before not in a race anyway. By this time the track was quite rough though and an XL should not be able to fly clean over the table top like it did when Robbie rode it. When I rode it it only got about a foot off the ground.

Any way I have just purchased a new pair of the same shocks off ebay

Cheers
Fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on September 20, 2011, 05:48:39 AM
there's violence in that foot off the ground Shane ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 20, 2011, 07:23:11 AM
a foot!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Devilman on September 20, 2011, 06:52:39 PM
Hey Freak... Great event dude.  >:( I had bike trouble, cartwheels, crashes, blisters and bad luck but Ive got a bunch of medals too, some great racing memories & moments our family can share forever ;D. Thanks for your efforts & Club Crystals for a great racing weekend. I've been to a few in my time & that was fist :o. I bet you'll get some crying from the open Evo boys  :'(for leaving most of their events till the end but it was the best thing for the older & littler bikes. So great job on the schedule whoever did that. Thanks Tanner for lousing your voice... um no.. I mean your work at scruit & the gate... & to Fatboy. Keep rolling Fat! The effort U Tazzy folk put in is impressive. Love your work on and off the bike.. Cant wait to come over next year for another crack
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 20, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
Glad you made it and glad you liked the event devilman.  You can blame me for the program.  I went out on a limb to run the events in that order (against a bit of push back) but as you say i was trying to not have to get trackwork in or water for the older stuff and as the track fell off it made it a bit more interesting for the later post periods.  I think it ended up a fair playing field, and the Evo's wont have cried cause i set up all the laps so there were increasing per period the idea was to make 10 mins motos and limited lapped riders, and they all had the option to rid eup so they got plenty of track time. ;)

i think we ran in the end to within the allocated times per race infact we had time up our sleeve built in for crashes but as it turned out it was well set out so in the wend we had time we needed to kill on the sat arvo.....also as the event list was set out none repeditively, so that if you had a back to back race then you would have little or no chance of having that same combination and issue on the next day, so we spread any back to back pains around. 

The bonus on the later periods CC running to the end of the day i was thinking also that the more agressive and fuller classes would be a kinda day build up, if you noticed it panned out that way as the spectators hung around all day as the atmospher kept building.  That program didnt happen by accident so im glad someone noticed that hours that went into that ( given every other week it would get revised and changed as a class hit the magic 10 rider and become uncombined)

Yeah i reckon DaveT did a great job, too great proberly as he had them on the line faster than a whatsit, which again meant the program ran to its allocated slots ( hence we had to lose some time we made up)

question whats "fist " i hope its a good thing. ???
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 21, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
heaps more Pics now uploaded to craig wasleys - classic photos page. 

All practice and Friday pics are up there now.

HE got over 2,000 pics so might be a while as they upload in, but certainly worth a trip over there - every other day - as more go up, also get onto on the Face book page of the 2011 CMX for other links out
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 2 shocks on September 23, 2011, 07:30:56 AM
At the Nationals is SA, did anyone do the unthinkable and actually ride an Evo Bike ie, Air Cooled, Twin Shock, Drum Brakes in the Pre 85 Class ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ken Baker
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 23, 2011, 10:05:39 AM
At the Nationals is SA, did anyone do the unthinkable and actually ride an Evo Bike ie, Air Cooled, Twin Shock, Drum Brakes in the Pre 85 Class ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ken Baker

Ken ,plenty of Evo 125's also they rode pre85 125.
Without them it may/would not have reached Championship Class. ;D
cheers S&A WA
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 23, 2011, 10:31:33 AM
i think you will find most of the CC's across the board did, i would say 60% rode in the pre 85 class, many finished top 8 too, there was no reason for them not too and many found after the first round they were just as compeditive as the later bikes, the 7 year section seemed fairly balanced as far as bike tech went it was the riders who made the differance, it was more a technical riders course in places, not who had the most bike travel over big jumps, so it really made no differance, and those thaty rode early gear in pre85 saw that out on the track.

The question might be how many Evo entrants came from pre 78 and how many came from pre 85
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 23, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
gees finish one more page off and this baby has hit 50 page count.....

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/classicmotox_564.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/classicmotox_418.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 23, 2011, 05:54:32 PM

The question might be how many Evo entrants came from pre 78 and how many came from pre 85

These riders will have to make the decision in next years Nationals split,unless they can afford to get to both events.
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 23, 2011, 07:12:39 PM
correct, i saw evo as the middle ground in all eras, where if you really, really wanted to it was a place you could ride up, or others could ride down.  Potentially it was the All in class if you wanted to race you mates and proves whos bike from what ever era was best, but seems that not everyone wanted to know that..... ;D  the only looked at 1,2,3
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 23, 2011, 07:27:17 PM
You stylin it up there Freaky :)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 24, 2011, 09:10:34 PM
Western Australian Race Report from Barry Tossa..Great event with greater memories..  8)
www.vmxwa.com
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 24, 2011, 09:18:03 PM
I might be ducking and weaving for awhile.  Awaiting a good photo of the yammie with the mudgaurd on back to front to appear.  Was an absolute ball, hope our guys enjoyed it as much as i did
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 24, 2011, 09:21:24 PM
I might be ducking and weaving for awhile.  Awaiting a good photo of the yammie with the mudgaurd on back to front to appear.  Was an absolute ball, hope our guys enjoyed it as much as i did

Ahh front mudguard hey !!
I won't mention the handle bars that got left behind in WA or the boots in 2009 ;)
What happens on camp stays on camp..I think that's a good moto/rule   ;)   ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 24, 2011, 09:38:04 PM
Mick taylor already had his dad send him  the photo of the yammie, been placed on facebook!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 25, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
I tell you what - Craig maybe good on the camera (and the quality of his photos shows no doubt about that) but he doesn't like answering emails - can't buy photos if you can't see them?

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 12:29:28 AM
you on FB Ross > or email me ill pass on your details and a hurry up.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 26, 2011, 09:10:46 AM
email on its way KM
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on September 26, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
Picked up a copy of the Port Pirie Paper at Manjimup MX on the weekend(thanks Paul and Nick),while showing a few older patrians the article I caught up with a Mr Dundas ex Port Pirie and a Mr Blakers,both who rode at Rope Works and National events such as Northam and Harley Scrambles etc.They also know the Flink's and Bill Copley Ex owner of SA bike shops.
Get chatting and all is revealed   ;)  ;D ps also helps when your wearing a vmx Falta Shirt  ;D
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ppPaper.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/pppaperbottom.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
I think they got both the classes wrong, they looks like a PRe 75 250cc race and maybe the age, some of the names maybe not right too.
BUT  having said that what a great article and more coverage for Classic motor cross.   :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
email on its way KM

I sent craig an email : im onto it !

I think he has been doing a few other events and hasnt had time to sift through them all and load up... but that s no excuse if your a business, so im hearing you. i have suggest he just loads them up by day rather than by events as that takes all his time, plus i reckon you guys just wanna see them and would love to sift through them by yourself in your own time  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on September 26, 2011, 11:14:02 AM
he put the teaser up of fridays practice and then left us hanging!!lol
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 11:17:12 AM
hehe he ....  ;D ;D yeah thought the same.

i saw some of his others yet to go up and there are some dooosies there.  he used to ride mX so he knows what looks good and really seems to work interesting angles and heights of where he is shooting from.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
Wooohh  black lassie

(http://www.bmwphotography.com.au/wp-content/gallery/australian-classic-motocross-crystal-brook-sept-9-to-11-2011/classicmotox_024.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 07:36:03 PM
Walter - Good vision, pity it got blurred on the cam towards the end.
Was actually good veiwing having ridden the track to see where you guys run. Interesting lines you take in the middle section, very solo-esk, sometimes there i though you were running rob on top of the berm, but obvioulsy you knew the distances as you came back off the berm to an inside line.

thanks for taking the time to post it, given it was the only race vision you had to use.

When i saw the race in real time i was a bit pissed off we didnt see it run the full laps, but I actually feel a bit jipped now we didnt get to see how the next 2 races would have panned out.

I reckon based on that vision it was prity evenly paced so would have been a strong and close 3 races, and some really good racing coming on.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on September 26, 2011, 11:59:56 PM
TOm JOnes on the big Cr
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315404_249839181718895_116693858366762_644523_1062383045_n.jpg)
someone might know this kid too  :D :D - and the mIghty TM250  ;)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300688_250036715032475_116693858366762_645511_1468911533_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 04, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Classic photos from Saturday racing are online...
http://www.classicshots.com.au/gallery
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 10, 2011, 02:03:49 PM
NOt really sure who this bloke is  ;) ....... but he knows how to dress up for the camera's    :-*
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320234_254426347926845_116693858366762_657784_93100433_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 211kawasaki on October 10, 2011, 02:21:41 PM
hey Freaky; what about doing it again in (say) 2013.......... ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 10, 2011, 02:41:42 PM
do it in 2012 if you like....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on October 10, 2011, 03:36:14 PM
I'll be there  :D ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on October 10, 2011, 07:24:45 PM
Not really sure who this bloke is ...... but he knows how to dress up for the camera's.
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320234_254426347926845_116693858366762_657784_93100433_n.jpg)

Freaky didnt this VMX dude score a modeling contract after this shot was taken  :P
That photo's worth a million bucks- total yuppy bling.  ;D
Where is Bazza (Tossa) when you need him ?
cheers A
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 10, 2011, 08:04:38 PM
Waiting waiting
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on October 10, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
BMB!!!!  Total yuppy bling - you will keep A.  Frustrating thing was because of firewall at work I couldn't see the pictures - only now back at home!!

But hey - gotta admit - Craig is good - can even make me look stylish!

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on October 10, 2011, 10:54:48 PM
actually waiting for Craig to finish loading - want to buy some of his work.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on October 10, 2011, 11:21:28 PM
great photo Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 11, 2011, 12:49:38 AM
craig went off to do the footbal finals, the local judo or whatever as every winter sport seemed to have there grand finals, last week he was at the Junior Aussie titles so he been away alot. he did email he was trying to sort them up.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on October 11, 2011, 05:50:13 AM
Hey Rossco,
He must of had a fish eye lense on did he? you even look thin and not an old fatboy bastard from overseas  ;D ;D

It is amazing how a photographer can make someone look so good even though you had over shot the jump and was about to fall off  :D

cant wait to race again one day I have a new tactic  ??? take you out at the start even if it means I have to wait for you at the first corner ;D

Luv Ya
Fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on October 11, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
and I can feel that luv FB!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on October 11, 2011, 11:05:57 AM
OK Alison I'm here.  Now think of this you have all seen Rossco in the Flesh (sorry to put that out there) and we all know his fashion sense or lack of.  We all know he bases his strict exercise regime on that of his hero Fatboy.  having said all this all I can say Craig you are a legend with the angle of the shot.  The use of shade and shadow and a hell of a lot of photoshop, he almost looks good.   Note I said almost, do not want the only part of his body that is not in excess to swell.  Will now change all my contact details!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 11, 2011, 11:32:55 AM
I like the fct his knees are clean.  either there new pants or....
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Tossa on October 11, 2011, 12:43:09 PM
they are new plants and he is actually being sponsored by the ABC, as B3
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 31, 2011, 12:29:10 PM
here youy go shelpi

(http://www.classicshots.com.au/dyn/thumbnail/r75020097/1000/750/gallery/image/base/87480)

(http://www.classicshots.com.au/dyn/thumbnail/r75020107/1000/750/gallery/image/base/87490)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 31, 2011, 12:40:52 PM
i think i can i think i can .... choo chooo  go Ross ;)  ohhh and noel there too.  :D

(http://www.classicshots.com.au/dyn/thumbnail/r75022590/1000/750/gallery/image/base/86756)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on October 31, 2011, 03:17:08 PM
GREAT racing shots but f all to do with VMX-to the average Joe it could be a race anywhere at anytime. Best try to get something sideon at least to show off the mountsm please-just sayin' :-[
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 31, 2011, 05:21:53 PM
Fork me you need to put your glasses on old timer if you cant tell there old bikes from that any joe punter could....  look nothing like modern bikes. 

Infact i can probally tell you what they are  without much trouble and i dont know anythign other than a yamaha.

that top one is an old PE or RM pre 78 something, rossco 360 YZ, next to it a 69 ? CZ its not hard.  Side on stuff looks like your mum riding down the street and could be anyone. Side on is 90% time shit, as is square on.     All the good shots always seem to be anywhere around the 45 degrees.

People buy fotos that they can tell is themselves, this guy is selling his photos not Vmx.  Maybe you need to look through his online album to see the shot you like..... im just posting these up for my own reasons.

Just sayin'  ::)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on October 31, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
Jeez freaky-stop showing your age. I meant from a quick glance from a newby or non-vmxer. They are great RACE SHOTS of guys that look like they know a bit about riding but to Joe average they are just that-average.
A nice side-on shot would have shown the make/model and rider off a bit better-that's all.

Any way- who you callin' old there BOY :D :D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on October 31, 2011, 07:45:19 PM
i still dont get what your saying.... your drunk.

screw Jo average, if they need to see an old bike side on they can google the brouchure.   

BRing on the group action and racing shots i say !!!!
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: shelpi on November 01, 2011, 01:50:30 PM
Hey FREAKY  who's the crash dummy on number 8  ;D  thanks for that i wish i could do that sort of computer stuff :'( hey  G Baran rang last night, bummer about the pushrod thingy bending :(
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: EML on November 01, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
Never mind Freaky- I'll explain beter when I see you next time. I did say I didn't mean to criticize.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: shelpi on November 01, 2011, 02:23:20 PM
 Yer right on with the group action and raceing shots and i would love to see first corner after the start and jumps and hhmm close jossle raceing shots ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 01, 2011, 03:23:45 PM
Was that on his norton ?  we had our own issue, stuck thermostae kept over heating the intake/feul and choking it. although we ran out of feul so when barran went out , we scabbed all his juice :O)  hehehe
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: shelpi on November 02, 2011, 12:19:44 PM
YES the norton, so the Baran said you did do good another feather, bloody thermo thingy, but hey free fuel  :D have tinkered pe motor yes me thinks the clutch cover you said about is for it ;) so what have you up your sleeve next freaky, let me guess vintage drag race or vintage isle of man or farliegh castle perhaps ;D
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 02, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
Riverview speedway - Nov 19th Classic titles.

We got some unfinished business.

Atherton i think is going to bring out the Turbo honda, so it will be a hang on for dear life.  My other ride the Z1 still has selector issue, wont go into second, the drum keeps shifting a poof teenth.  Got a week or so to fix that.  Failing that  i still got my 2 vavle ride, so going to be a busy night.

1980s - Z1(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/RIMG0927.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 02, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
heres that cover and basket i have. i think its Rm but you can have it.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/RIMG0764.jpg)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/RIMG0765.jpg)

and can any of you trainspotters out there tell me what the forks at the bottom are off ??? look like 80's yamaha ?

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/RIMG0804.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: oldfart on November 02, 2011, 01:42:37 PM
What size tubes are they ...
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: shelpi on November 03, 2011, 06:26:36 PM
Hey Freaky sounds like you need a hobby to fill in that spare minute you have ;D im impressed good work mate, hey those clutch thingy's are PE250T,X or RM250N,T so yes please but need to pay, so what would ya like for it? first born  :D he he he. forks could be yz80e,f others non leading no idea yz80's didn't have bolts in the bottom :o
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on November 07, 2011, 04:01:44 PM
Freaky - have bought one photo from Craig but all I can say is he isn't quick in trying to make a dollar out of us??
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 07, 2011, 04:57:33 PM
Yer i know he said he wanted to get a return, but i reckon hes draggin the chain.  Either too much on or what, but he should have pounced on it that week, its been what 2 months now ? people forget about it anf move on, then we get the blame and they dont come back cause they reckon no one was interested ?  i have asked for a handfull, but i found some more so ill keep pushing along.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 07, 2011, 04:58:02 PM
What size tubes are they ...

i reckon over 34mm so probally 34- 36 mm ?

and when i say 80s, i mean 1980's  like IT, YZ etc, im sure there yam but not sure.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on November 07, 2011, 05:07:42 PM
Freaky the top forks look like 75 mx 250 or 400 forks or yzb forks the bottom look to be 77 or 78 yz 250 or 400  Iain
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 35elsinore on November 07, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Ross, I have about 1200 photos of the nats but sadly only a couple of ol yellow 34. If you would like a copy of them get intouch and I can copy them to a flash drive and send in the mail. About $15 dollars for flash drive and express mail envelope. Theres a few riders that have a lot of photos but generally a mixed bunch.
Regards Troy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on November 07, 2011, 11:25:25 PM
Just for you 34(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/DSC_0031.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on November 07, 2011, 11:34:31 PM
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/DSC_00382.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on November 07, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/DSC_00362.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on November 07, 2011, 11:38:35 PM
35elsinore if you have any of #154 Ill buy a stick of you regards Iainyz
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 07, 2011, 11:42:25 PM
Troy just email them to him, so much easier.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on November 08, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
iain - thanks for those - particularly like the one showing me passing Freaky ( ;D ;D) and being in front of Fatboy after the start ( ;D ;D).  Troy shall drop you a separate email - thanks for the offer.

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 08, 2011, 12:52:31 PM
Dream on Ross........... you cant pass on the outside :)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on November 08, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
photo doesn't lie - and when the opposition is slow...........................
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 08, 2011, 01:38:19 PM
:)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 35elsinore on November 08, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
Sorry Ian can only see you in the background heading a different way to who the shot is focused on. My thought was to send all the photos on a flash drive thats why email not the best way. Have some more for you to freaky. If yas still interested drop me an email with postal adress and then you can do copies to others in TAS and WA. I could also put on SD card if a better option.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on November 08, 2011, 07:09:15 PM
can I pay you via paypal as I am still overseas (will pay the fees if you like?)

Rossco
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Iain Cameron on November 08, 2011, 09:26:50 PM
hole shot to Fatboy (go Tassie)                                                                                                                                                    (http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/DSC_0026.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: 35elsinore on November 08, 2011, 10:08:17 PM
Is that Ross second next to him. Can send photos and catch up at next nats for cash if you thinking of goin. Shouldnt brake the bank. Love all the group photos Iain. Very even start without a Smith in front.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 08, 2011, 10:36:08 PM
Guys - Post all the photo that aint of you on Photo bucket and share the link.

The holeshot line was marked down by the finish area by a set of tyres.  those end 3 where on a missionto hit it , then pass out from exhustion
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: fatboyracing on November 09, 2011, 05:50:35 AM
Bloody proof now Rossco and Freaky the pic of me way outside on the first corner is when I whipped you rossco to the first corner and then forgot to brake but of course you still wont admit that you were shit on at the hole shots ;D ;D

great pictures Iain thanks for the evidence

Fatboy
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on November 09, 2011, 09:03:29 AM
1 out of 4 - check the other photos and check track position of great mentor and guru  ;D  I was going to make comment that it was a shame he didn't make the first corner - remember turn left eh!!!!  Oh - and I paid my beer!

Oh Freaky - luv the comment  :o
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 09, 2011, 12:02:44 PM
im to tired to even spell it properly
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Hoony on November 09, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
Hey Ya Freaky, did the MXTV footage of the classic nats ever go up on you tube ?
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: AjayVMX on November 28, 2011, 07:12:07 PM
OK, since we have now selected the photos for the Aussie Nats story in issue #48 of VMX, we can now release the remaining photos for viewing on the VMX Magazine Facebook Page.  ;D

They can be found here:  http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150396934472535.362093.327678172534&type=3 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150396934472535.362093.327678172534&type=3)

More to come.  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on November 28, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Cheers AJ,
Steven and I where impressed with this build by Mikael Amberntsson from Victoria,who had built the 510 from ground up, with his dad..  8)
Mikael placed a fouth in the Evo 263+
Good Stuff !!

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/Huskybuild.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: suzuki27 on November 28, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Nice photo.Nice bike.
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: AjayVMX on November 28, 2011, 09:42:47 PM
Some more photos uploading now...  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Freakshow on November 29, 2011, 12:42:45 AM
Thank you guys for doing that !
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: VMX247 on December 23, 2011, 06:08:03 PM
Tom Jones CR480 and some bloke in a purple vest  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIeX1gUfv_c
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: Davey Crocket on December 23, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
One very smooth rider and one very well set up CR....beautifull to watch. 8)
Title: Re: 2011 VMX Nationals
Post by: oldfart on December 23, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
Bike sounds a bit fluffy to me or is that the way they run??