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Okay guy's I'm on a personal crusade here.
I'm in search of any photo's, or even better still video of Classic Dirt Track, mainly in NSW but the riders I'm looking for also crossed borders.
Time frame is from the 1960's to about 1980.
The riders I'm looking for are, Bill MacDonald and Carl Askew.
Anyone who has photo's from around this time please check, even if they are in the background, I'll be interested.
The racing numbers used were, 2, 22 & 26.
Obviously I'm prepared to cover any cost's but you're help will be appreciated.
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Howdy Curly,
Cant be of any help on this one but if you have any luck would love to see them
Col
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I found a couple that my be of some use to you, Cheers KB
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bloody hell KB, how can you find this stuff so quick?
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You're a legend KB, those are all great shots and bring back a heap of good memories.
No 2 in the second action shot is Len Norris I think, I'm sure one of the Griffith Mafioso will correct me, Carl was in England at that time and dad let the number go.
The shot of the start is at Amaroo Park and that's Carl in the full face helmet and good o'l TH is in there as well.
The one with TH chasing Carl, it looks like TH has an inner tube on his left foot.
Interesting how not many riders wore gloves in those days, I know Billy didn't until towards the end of his career.
Another shot there of Scaysie around the outside of Lenny Searle.
Speaking of Jim, I'm sure he'd have a few stashed away.
Cheers, Steve
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Who's on the #14 bike in the test pic from Salty Creek with Julian Wigg ?
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I have no idea who 14 is but I'm sure we'll find out.
Just a few more observations, it's interesting to see how Billy's style changed after a trip to the Old Dart, early photo's were pretty much bum on seat leg trailing, and the shot with the elder Wiggy, shows more of a Speedway style and along the same lines, the shot of Carl shows a heel on his left boot and no steel shoe.
The other good one is Billy on a Bully at the right hander at Amaroo chasing a young Kevin Patton, still wearing what looks like a "Puddin Basin".
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I have a nagging feeling it may be John Langfield on #14. Great to see the emergence of these pics, the old Bill Meyer/Bill Forsyth stuff captured a great era when blokes were TOUGH ! No gloves, no Jofas, just gobbling dirt.... :o
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A few more lnteresting shots.
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I think you're probably right GD, the style definitely looks like Langy, there is a bit of history there involving him & Billy. I'm pretty sure that Billy is riding his Elstar Cole, which he still has by the way and is planning to restore in the near future. He swears he won't ride it himself but maybe his Grandson will one day as he is pretty handy on a bike himself, already a multiple National Champion.
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Keep em coming KB.
How smooth & relaxed did KD 297 make it look, and Pummo 695 Terry Poole was always near the front.
And no 149 chasing his mentor Fraze, is the late Dougie Platts, he was a real hard charger.
I'll struggle to get to sleep tonight.
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Looks like he,s cut a chunk out of his hat ???
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Pits at Dubbo
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Funny you should mention Billy's Toweling hat, because I know the story behind it.
Billy rode my fathers bikes, the original Curly, up until about 1970 when brother Carl was old enough.
Billy won his first National title at St Kilda STH AU in 1971.
The track was next to a tip and as Billy was on the podium collecting the Duke of Edinburgh Trophy, do they still exist?, Curly placed a toilet seat from the tip around his neck.
Apparently the seat perpetuated for several years, I wonder if it still exists?
In the celebrations that followed, Dad pulled Billy's hat over his head and I remember him wearing it, as a badge of honour, for several years afterwards.
I don't know about everyone else but I'm enjoying it.
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I'm enjoying these old shots too. I rode a bit of short circuit in the late 70's and remember a few of the names here.
It was always interesting battling with a slider on a motocross bike with the totally different lines!
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Geez that would've been a great photo on the podium,
I hope he framed that hat 8)
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great shots! i have a few from amaroo on colour slides that i havent seen for a while i must dig them out and check 'em. i dont have any of me 'cause i only took pics when i wasn't riding. i rarely missed riding at meetings at nepean and amaroo, i also have some good shots at moorebank and of oran park [road races] Jim Scaysbrook has copies of some good black&whites from moorebank, amaroo and boxers creek that i sent to him. all of these shots were taken between 1960 to about 1972 when i got old enough to know better.Now that im back into it i'm having more fun! If you happen to see any shots with No 883 in the scenery i would be interested to see them......If i can get a decent slide projector before the nepean 2-day in august i'll sort some slides out to show. cheers wally.
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G'day Wally, I'm pretty sure you can still see part of the old Boxers Creek track just to the side of the freeway before Goulburn.
No pressure and I'll understand if you don't want to risk them, but I can transfer your slides onto a disc, pm me if you're interested.
There would be some good stuff there I'm sure.
Steve
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Bloody top stuff, just been taking to Langy and he says the #14 bike with the Aussie breastplate is Don Howison and I think the # 112 Is Canberra's Ian Williams.
Steve , on the CD I will send on Thursday it is Bill getting treatment for his eyes from the Ambos at Young after the OZ V poms prang
Fossil
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Thanks Foss, all good stuff. Am I correct then, in thinking the #9 Pom is Malcolm Simmons ?
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G'day gd
Could have been Malcolm , Langy says it wasnt , I reckon its Roland Duke and Langy will check on his records and let us know
By the way, Langy is the only rider to captain the Aussie Speedway AND Short Circuit teams against the Poms
Fossil
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A few more,
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Cheers KB
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They just keep comin thanks to KB.
Great to see Terry Poole with the no1 plate, I personally think he was the most popular Champion of all time.
I have vivid memories of him holding off Keith Sewell & Fraze to win the title at Amaroo.
Who thought you could get a Hagon that far off the ground? I bet Fraze's heart was in his mouth.
Good to see no37 Ian Burkett get his head in there.
To me that earlier shot looks like Malc Simmons but I won't put any money on it.
Amaroo Park was a Photographers dream as it was pretty much set next to a rock face where the spectators sat and provided heaps of good vantage spots.
Keep your eye out KB for a shot of no37 doing an impersonation of an early Bobcat and a dirt mound.
Going back to that earlier starting line shot from Amaroo, remember that they were Flag starts from about 70m away and there were heaps of rollers happening.
Just imagine what that start sounded like, no mufflers or silencers back then.
Awesome.
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Just another observation, Langy was mainly a speedway rider and the shots of him biting the dust were just after exiting a right hander.
The shot of Charlie leading Kevin Patton & KD looks very much like his home track of West Wyalong.
And it looks to me like in one of the shots of Ian Williams that he's riding a 4V OHC JAP, which has a thread all its own.
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The Bill Meyer family photo archives must be unbelievable!!! :o
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Fossil asked me to post this photo of the Aussie and British dirt track teams. The photo was supplied by John Langfield(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/DT%20TEAM.jpg)
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cool pics fella's!
that last one Firko with Don Howison,
when i lived in Newcastle yaers ago and was a member of Belmont Club,
Don was pretty strong with the Trials movement.
had no idea he was into flat track.
or that he once had that much hair :D
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Early Nepean Vintage meeting..circa 1990.
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Mick Cady (318) Kevin Fraser??(76) Edgar Phipps (red leathers)
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Chris Ellis (5),Brian \Martin (114) Edgar Phipps (31) Peter Rowland (12) Anybody recognise the others?
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Condo Greybeards Meet dirt track circa mid 90s.
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Firko, don't forget there were 2 Brian Martins around the same time and to me, no 76 looks to be wearing the BM from Wollongong's leathers, he spent a lot of time with Fraze.
Is 114 the other BM?
Great shots.
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Hi Guys, great shots keep them coming, Re the second action shot,the reason I was using #2 is in 1979 the acu of nsw wanted to use #1 #2 #3 for finishers in the NSW unlimited c/ships.Greg Primmer won and Steve Gall and I tied for second,Steve also placed 3rd in the motocross titles and he wanted to use #3 to save changing over, so I ran # 2 for 1979 ! It was easier to stick with our own numbers ! I'll also dig out some old shots when I get a chance.
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I was pretty sure it was you Len, we'll all look forward to your input.
How are your preparations going for the Nationals by the way? ;D ;D ;D
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I've just been informed that my mention of the "LATE" Doug Platts was wrong.
I obviously got my wires on old stories crossed and I really hope I haven't cause any grief to himself or his family.
Faithfully,
Steve Askew.
P.S. I feel crap right now.
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Curly dont feel to bad about it. We all get it wrong more than we ever admit to and that you have put your hand up quick smart is the way to go. Funny when I read your post re Doug's demise I meant to ask at the time what happened but got side tracked for one reason or another. Whatever, your latest post is all good.
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Thanks for your support Col.
I had a similar thing happen to me, someone seeing me at a school reunion and saying they thought I'd been killed in a motorbike crash, I was in my late 20's at the time and laughed it off, but it is a sobering point.
Dougie was a bloody good rider in his day and I hope he's still full of health and involved in bikes in some way.
Steve
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Neminga 1976: (Nsw U/L Titles: 1st Mike Cady;2nd Kev Patten;3rd Len Norris)
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CIG Golden Wheels Series : Rd 3 Griffith July 1979
Ian Williams/Len Norris
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Great stories and pics guys. The pics of Nepean brought back memory's of a 6 hour there in about 77 I think. Our team did no good as we were too hard on brakes but I witnessed one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
There was a guy on what I remember was an American Bell framed Honda with an XL motor absolutely creaming everyone when all of a sudden there was a lot of smoke and a funny noise coming back into the pits. The Honda engine had broken the top out of the crankcases and the haed and barrel was going up and down but still running some how. It was my only go at Nepean but what a great event.
Cheers Stan.
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Ok, Lets try again
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Hope that works
Foss
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Gough Whitlam on Doug Platt's Bike , L to r Doug Platts, Kevin Patton, Gough , Alan Garvey
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Well I'll be
Ok If that has worked the Revs photo was taken at Yass in 197something at the presentation after a final, Doug won it, I came second , mind you , with tyre marks from KP on me mudguard and on me right arm.
We were trying to con Gough into having a skid around on Doug's bike , he didn,t as he reckoned we were all mad !!
Fossil
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Ok that worked , eventually, so lets try again
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Start at Yass 197? , #12 Peter Rowland , #49 Kevin Fraser, #52 Peter Lee, # 99 Lucky Keizer ?? #21 ??? #112 Ian Williams #113 ??? #777 ??? # 109 Neil Appaloni, # 454 Alan Garvey
Caption should have the well known riders any one got any idea who the rest are ?? Ian Williams is on that howling little 125 twin thing, Kevin patton had one too,
Foss
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I knew Peter Lee was old but I'd honestly never picked him for being this old.
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Still goes pretty quick for an "O'l Fella".
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113 Rod McNabb, Thats definately Lucky 99. Late 1975 Marchmont, Yass, I think Alan. Met the great man "fossil" the year before at Mt Ginn, I think he rode up the tyre wall on the straight, correct me if I'm wrong mate. Can't beleive there is 2 XL250 powered Hagon in that shot, still chasin Hagon for a bigger version of same.
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Photographs taken from the Australian Titles, 1975 at Griffith Pine Speedway.
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Top shots Pete , here's some of the B graders at play in the 1972 Riverina Championships
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# 208 Ron Campey, Narabri ,# 516 ?? , # 454 yours truly,St George, #9 Donny Campbell , Pacific ,# 100 Darrel Butler, ?? both shots from same race, courtesy Area news and David Klobe
I will fess up , the bloody Maico beat me , roll on September
Foss
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great shots,
you'd copied some other excess bits of the photobucket picture label before you pasted them in here
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Thanks Mainline
I'm on Sattellite broadband and it does funny things sometimes, I was following the How To link about posting images and as far as I could tell I was doing everything right , but I must have gone wrong somewhere as at one stage I clicked on the image code to copy it and it took me straight to a Kodak site.
Thanks again
Fossil
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Hey Curly
Found this in the shed, 4th Feb '73 , last Aussie v Pommy test , Kevin Frazer, Billy Mac, TH Ithink, Carl, Doug Platts
Fossil
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Great shots, Pete & Allan.
You would've only been a Pup in 75 Pete, 18 or 19?. K.D & Kevin Patton dominated the meeting.
#100, Darryl Buttler was from Fairfield club.
I rec'd the package Allan and it's priceless, I'll ring you soon as it's been a shit fight on the home scene with my 13yo thrill seeking son braking his wrist on Friday arvo, ( no bike involved ) so I spent most of the weekend back & forward to Canterbury Hospital.
Carl's searching through his archives so we'll contribute some photo's soon to help re-energize the interest in the History of this once dominant form of Motorcycling.
Cheers, Steve
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Hope the young bloke is on the mend , Steve, and there are no complications , one thing , young people mend rapidly, say G'day from The Fossil for me, and most of us do know what he's going through.
Another program cover and I do apologise for the quality, however, they are nearly 40 years old and only supposed to last through raceday !
OK if I get it right this time the cover features The Captain and Carl Askew
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I rode at the meeting and made the feature for the first time, a bloody awesome experience with all the guns of that era !!! , I was just pleased not to finish last
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Great Photos Guys,Like the '75 aussie titles at Griff Pete,(you finished 3rd in the 500 title that day if i'm correct )
Here's a photo of my father Norm Norris at west Wyalong in 1956 on a 350 AJS, not sure who is running 2nd but 3rd is Griffith's Johnny Shields.Dad was one of the founder members of the wyalong motor sports club which was opened in 1955.the track was cut out of the mallee mostly by hand on land leased from the wyalong shire.( I still have that "puddin Basin" cromwell in the shed !
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You got the first one right to Fossil, I'm not sure who the one tucked in behind Billy is though.
Classic old photo Len.
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Anyone know who 551 is in the first shot with Peter. Some great images on this thread. Thanks to all for making the effort.
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Col, been discussing this #551 with me bruvver and a couple of others, in that pic with Pete the last number 1 on the 551 number plate looks like an afterthought, ie as if there were two number 55s at that meeting and one had to change, and the simplest way to do that is to add a number 1, Stephen Gall's numbers were 55 and 23. what do you reckon on it being Steve Gall ??, Pete would know , I guess.
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I'm going blind Col, I didn't notice the 1 on the end of the number plate, he does have Steve on his leathers.
Could it be Mr Gall?
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Check out the sexy no2 on Carl's bike, and the officials of the day didn't like it?
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I reckon it is Steve Gall as his leathers have Steve on the left hand side & Yamaha on the helmet chin guard .Great shot & look at the great surface they are on more than one line around the Griffith track.
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it is steve he came 4th behind peter 52
jim
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Come on fellers! more dirty pictures please! cheers wally.
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reply to Godden 79 Iwas always under the impression the land at Wyalong was purchased from "Slogger " Thomas . Bruce Gooden was proud of the fact he " subdivided a suburban holding" against Council rules. Tim Smith would know. (he was still around last August) KEEP THE PHOTOS COMING... looking for Riverina area late 60s through 70s ( 761 old Mac Velocette , 125 Suzuki , 250 Bultaco , plus Spud and I on the 650 BSA chair ( old now... can't remember the number ))
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Hey vandy, Don Howison wasnt just a"flat track" rider he was legend,as a young teenager i first saw this team race the poms at kempsey short circuit,very early 70s.i will never forget when they come out for practise,Don in those bright leathers/scarf at full noise,fullock out on the driveline,it,s still inscripted in the brain nearly 40 years later.a few years later when my older brother and i raced he ended up with one of dons bikes.a hagon /suzuki a very early ts/tm(before the L/M models) ,fully worked,righthand change,on A (got it off alan craig in newcastle)man that bike flew,we use to practice starts against a 890 jawa speedway bike we had and it would hang with it no worries,i will get a pic of it off the brother and try to post it up.cheers PS keep those pics coming their priceless
Hey, I remember that day at Kempsey just like it was yesterday. I would be keen to see the picture of my old Suzuki. I was Googling my name and found this forum and read with interest how no one knew who #14 was. How do I attach a photo? I am only new to this.
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I have lots of dirt track photos. How do I post them?
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Welcome Don, my 17 yo daughter attaches all my photo's so I'm of no help there but we'll all look forward to your input. I think there is another topic on here somewhere showing how. It's always good to have someone on board who has been a part of it.
Cheers, Steve
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Can anyone name these Champion Short Circuit riders?
And where it is?
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This will test everyone, who, where & when?
I'm on a roll, thanks to my darling daughter.
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If not mistaken, 809 is Herb Jefferson. Could it be Nepean Raceway?
Don
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That's one out of five thanks Don, Carl sent me a few more so I'll try to post them later today.
Nepean it is, taken at the pit end of the track not long before they put the sweeper ( Speedway ) corner in.
The Husky enthusiasts should know the guy in 5th.
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Hey Steve, get your daughter to give me a blow by blow description on how to upload photos. You know a "Dummy's Guide"
Don
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Hi Steve, Herb Jefferson Terry Poole Billy Mac, Matt Daley and yes Nepean , as for other one its Les Burdus on left,is it dad in overalls and I think Heddon Greta or Musswellbrook maybe.
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When I saw that you were looking Ian I new you would be in with a reply. Herbie, Terry, Billy, Matt Daley in 5th and its Greg Primmer in 4th.
The other shot is in 1962 at Musswellbrook after Curly's bike won the 7 hour race, L - R Les Burdus, Curly Norm, Bill Leroo and Paul New.
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Myself (Don Howison) and Warren Fraser - pit corner at Taree.
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You obviously worked it out Don, you're one up on me. My daughter has been out all day with the boyfriend, bless him. All I know is she clicked on too many things for me to keep track. Good shot that one.
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Top shot don,with warren tucked in behind,he was a hard charger especially on those tricked bully's,is he still around? :)
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My (Don Howison) second race meeting as a C grader at Heddon greta, approx. 1971
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Salty Creek out of the starting grid on a rainy day
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Looks like definitely TH and possibly Ian Burkett outside you.
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Who & where?
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This is my favorite. The Captain on Curly's brand new Hagon Jap, no gloves and breathing out the side of his mouth to dodge the flying methanol. I was too young to have done the refueling so I'm not blame for not pushing the rubber cap on properly. At Nepean.
Another point is the merging of era's, Billy wearing the original Lewis Leathers, Puddin Basin and sleeves left open. Riding a Cutting Edge, latest weapon Hagon Slider.
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Salty Creek
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Uralla
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Uralla
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Uralla
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Heddon Greta
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Reply to Vandy010
You were correct. I was very involved in trials. I used to run all the trials in Newcastle for Belmont Club. Also joined Pacific Park Trials Club and continued to run trials for them. You may remember I used to write a column in Trail and Track magazine called "Feet Up with Hollywood"
Small world isn't it!!
Don
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John Kessing no4? at Amaroo?
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For Huskibul
"The Suzuki"
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John Kessing no4? at Amaroo?
You are correct on both counts. Obviously, 323 was myself as a B grader. 323 was my brother Ray's old racing number, he used to race with Herb Jeffo. He build his Hagon look alike by copying Herb's original bike and used a 350cc BSA motor. I actually used that bike at my first Short Circuit meeting.
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Don these are all great images you have been posting. Do you remember what Brian Martin and Scaysie were riding in that shot from Heddon Greta.
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Good question Col, both are using wide bars.
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Uralla
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Hey don whats the disk brake set up off ? i have airhearts on my pre 72-75 Flat track bikes and i never new you guys were using them out here in 74.
Really blows out the cant use disk break brigade who bag out the US bikes with them, specially as there here on our tracks pre 75, what a FActual precedent :O)
MOre details would be great, just so we get the story straight.
cheers Freaky
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hey freaky
hagon made his own disc brake set up which was cable not hydr.i had 1 on my hagon astro. would never stop you,they used to run off the sprocket.dons is different.
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Reply to Freaky,
This was a very special one of a kind bike. I built this machine when I was in the UK riding speedway. It used the same geometry diamond as my speedway bike only using slightly heavier tube. The engine was a short stroke JAP 500cc. The suspension rear end was my design, the rear wheel was a double sided speedway hub with a disc that I manufactured. The caliper was a Hagon mechanical operated unit. The gearbox was an AMC box modified from 4 speed to 2 speed, only using 3rd and 4th with a neutral between them. The whole design of the bike was to keep the wheel base short and set it up with handlebars, foot rests, seat, etc. in similar positions as my speedway bikes. As I was riding 1 - 2 speedway meetings each week it was important to try to make the bikes the same handling. A chap named Keith Stevenson in the UK used to manufacture speedway frames, he was a good friend of mine and let me use his workshop to develop this bike. I would love to know where it is now. A chap from Taree purchased it from me, Chris Clark now deceased.
regards...Don
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G'day Don,
interesting machine, the Jap engine looks to be tilted very rearward, was this to squeeze the g/box into the diamond?
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No not tilted. The gearbox was shoved forward as far as possible to keep the bikes wheelbase short. Primary drive chain only had half link adjustments.
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A couple more shots of the bike.
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Reply to Freaky,
This was a very special one of a kind bike. I built this machine when I was in the UK riding speedway. It used the same geometry diamond as my speedway bike only using slightly heavier tube. The engine was a short stroke JAP 500cc. The suspension rear end was my design, the rear wheel was a double sided speedway hub with a disc that I manufactured. The caliper was a Hagon mechanical operated unit. The
regards...Don
what operated it a pedal or a grip ? i cant see inthe picture. Still proves disk lived pre 75 period. nuff said
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if you look very closely in the bottom photo you will see the forward mounted left footrest just in front of the primary chain guard. Just slightly above is the brake pedal pivoting off the footrest. Set up this way , again to replicate the footrest position of my speedway bikes.
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SO FREAKY
you going to change your disc brakes back to mechanical and throw away the hydrolic systems.if so i want 1 for my pre 78 xl350 c/port long tracker.
don
my frame looks like yours but c/port.takes jawa speedway forks and jawa front wheel.it is made in italy.
cheers
jim
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SO FREAKY
you going to change your disc brakes back to mechanical and throw away the hydrolic systems.if so i want 1 for my pre 78 xl350 c/port long tracker.
don
my frame looks like yours but c/port.takes jawa speedway forks and jawa front wheel.it is made in italy.
cheers
jim
Nah why would i, as usless as they are i have no reason to change out the airhearts, its just interesting some folks continue to think disk didnt happen to the 80's well the airhearts where on in 72 and now we see our own with em in 74 so they were everywhere, just not on the showroom floor. I was just curious as to how it worked and what it was based on.
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i have a caliper it is basic on a worm drive.as you apply force on the leaver it pushes the pad in.any way dics brake rear end was on the 1976-77 bultaco astro std.i never saw a hyd/disc rear end pre75 saw plenty on mechanical one though
jim
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I'm pretty sure the Americans used the Lockhart kart hydraulic brake caliper in the late '60's/early '70's. I would have research it to be sure.
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SO FREAKY
you going to change your disc brakes back to mechanical and throw away the hydrolic systems.if so i want 1 for my pre 78 xl350 c/port long tracker.
don
my frame looks like yours but c/port.takes jawa speedway forks and jawa front wheel.it is made in italy.
cheers
jim
I would like to see a photo of your bike.
Don
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Good to see you on here, Don and with some top shots and info, Jims Longtrack frame is a Bellini, I got it from Kev McDonald and passed it to Jim, OK I am gunna try and post another progam cover anmd entry list so here goes.
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If that worked I will post the entry list, you are there Don , riding #323
Fossil
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OK , that worked so here we go with the entries, 180 riders I think, seven heats of the B grade Unlimited, 18 riders a heat , only first 2 to the semis.
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Apologise for the quality, at least the program survived !!
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The entry list looks like a who's who of Short Circuit of that era and note that the late Greg Hansford is entered as well as Tom Gibson,
The meeting was a cracker , especially the Aces Invitation.
Have a look at the rider of #514
Fossil
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Hey Fossil,
Glad to be here. Certainly has got the Shell A pumping thru my veins again. Yes I see my name in the entry list and plenty of other long lost friends from that era.
In your cover shot do I see Sprata Mason, Greg Primmer, Billy Mac and if I am not mistaken, Chris Pusey on #38. I think this shot was taken at Salty creek. Am I right?
Don
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We're on fire now, love it.
Definitely Chris Pusey and even Carlos behind him.
You chose the safest line Don in that shot with Carl, who is 208? and there is Warren Willis in there behind.
Great nostalgia Fossil, interesting to see Sidecar Legends George Watson & Steve Burdus riding solo's, Dave Butler still peddling the Sidecar and Lee Roebuck in there as well, wonder were he put the nude bird.
I have no idea who no83 B Askew is.
Keep em coming.
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Here is another
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and another
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Don,
The cover shot from the Cowra Program is obviously not Cowra's Woodstock Park track and most probably one of the Northern Centre tracks, and from one of the OZ / Pom Test series. thanks for identifying some of the riders, as you can gather I was a B grader and some of the first corner battles at this meeting , in the Unlimited A & B, were bloody terrifying to say the least, as everyone was pumped up from watching Bathurst the two days before.
Fossil
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3 more Gems.
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Billy at Amaroo, pre oiled track by the look of it.
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Billy chasing Carlos, again at Amaroo.
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Look out Fraze, Nepean.
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I'm pretty sure in the 2nd last last shot is also, Lenny Searle, Ron Lea and Ken Bushnell.
The Maico men will confirm.
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Hi Steve, Your right thats who it is at Amaroo Park , I will put some on soon as I can figure out how so tell Carl to look out for his picture
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Now that last one is confusing. No 26 on the front & 49 on the back. I'm pretty sure it's Billy on his Cole Elstar. He has just restored it by the way. Who's no53? he's only a little bloke, an early shot of Ian Williams or maybe Speedway rider Dave Mills.
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This shot explains why I became a pretty accomplished Tree Climber as a kid. Sorry Ian, not your best side.
68 Gary Thomas & Kevin Patton, Amaroo.
The only shot I have so far of my Elstar in action.
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FAR OUT keep e'm coming! cheers wally
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A bit grainy but a great shot, 350 Goldie, front wheel off the ground.
Courtesy of Les himself.
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Hey guys,
I will see you all in a couple of weeks.
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Salty Creek
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i am with wally keep e`m coming.i seen a dvd at act dt champs with england & australia at salty creek etc i think john langfield own it.
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i am with wally keep e`m coming.i seen a dvd at act dt champs with england & australia at salty creek etc i think john langfield own it.
Hey Micks,
I am dieing to know if I am on the video at Salty Creek #14. I would love to get a copy. That is one thing that have never been able to get my hands on, I would love to be able to show my kids as have never seen their old man playing in the dirt.
Don
Steve,
Going up the coast surfing with no computer. See you when I get back.
Don
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Don, i know a bloke that has some(i dont think there's a lot) footage on old format of the kempsey test ,it is in with local motocross clubday stuff i asked him a couple of years ago if he could put on disc ,ill try to chase it up :)
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Don, i know a bloke that has some(i dont think there's a lot) footage on old format of the kempsey test ,it is in with local motocross clubday stuff i asked him a couple of years ago if he could put on disc ,ill try to chase it up :)
Mate, that would be fantastic.
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Knowing the Elstar intimately, in that shot with Ian at Amaroo it looks like Carl may have left the rear brake pedal and cable in amongst the wreckage, did you end up with 2 Ian? If so I'd like it back.
Evidence of a very rare RH Spear,
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Curly re that shot on page 6 with Scaysie and Brian Martin. Pretty sure Jim would have been riding the 350 Maico in the Elstar Grass Frame. As for Brian, never saw him ride anything other than a Moto Crosser so not sure whats going on their.
And the guy laying all over Carl on page 8 would be Ron Campey from Narrabri on a little old 350 Maico.
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Heaps of people tried to lean on Carl, he was very misunderstood, just ask Ian.
I'm keen to know who no53 is chasing Billy.
Just had a thought Col, I'm pretty sure it's the Brian Martin from Wollongong, he rode Sliders.
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THE DVD IS OWNED BY JAP 454
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Jim, thanks to Al I have a copy of that DVD and enjoyed every second of it, from what I can gather it's actually from the summer of 72/73 and to my recolection doesn't have any footage of Don. I may be wrong, but there are glimpses of Terry Poole with the No1 and he won the title in 72.
And sadly we lost Geoff in late 73 at that Bloody Sydney Showground.
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Hey Steve, Sorry I dont have the footrest but I think my missus threw it at him when she saw him next, yes it is jim on the 350 maico Elstar and Brian was on a 250 Hagon Bully , No 53 is a guy from Villawood club who was a mate of Millsy I just wish I could put some pics up, if you want Steve I will see if I can get a footrest while on vacation
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Ian, I have a footrest & brake pedal for it and there is a repaired hole in the primary cover, maybe that's courtesy of that incident. I'll send you a PM with a step by step guide to loading photo's which my daughter wrote down but I'm still struggling to follow correctly.
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Just to prove that I could do it to, this is one of only 3 shots I have of my own short lived career, and one of those is the crash that pretty much ended it all.
The rider on the outside is Mark Collins.
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Seeing as there are only 3 shots my memory says only 3 laps before it ended. I am glad I was there to see it.Say thanks to your daughter but all that means nothing to me so I will wait till my computer expert gets back, hes left home to live with 2 females poor buggar.
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Touche, I've had plenty of digs at you. It was 3 meetings actually but which ever way you look at it, not enough.
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Sounds like I'm getting my Brian Martin's mixed up Curly. I was thinking of the Kiwi Brian Martin that came over from NZ about the same time as Craig Brown and Ross King. Brian was a pretty good Motocrosser in the 70's. He did ride a few short circuit meetings in the early to mid 70's and. Some may remember he rode a 501 Maico at a Nepean Long track in the early 70's. Only time I ever saw a guy ride a big two stroke then or since with no brakes. Curly I have'nt received an email from you yet.
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col
the dirttrack brian martin has about a 10in pile of old photos i have seen a few of them when he picked up a 4 valve jawa engine off me. he lives somewere in wollongong
jim
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Col, did you get the email I sent this morning?
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Yeah Curly, check your inbox.
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Don, Good to see you getting involved in the VMX/Dirt Track scene by way of posting some great images from way back when. Can you fill us in on the history of the Howstar. Seem to recall that that was the bike you were enter'd on in the late sixty's/early seventy's. Was that a reference to the frame that was maybe designed and manufactured by you or am I way off the mark.
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Don, Good to see you getting involved in the VMX/Dirt Track scene by way of posting some great images from way back when. Can you fill us in on the history of the Howstar. Seem to recall that that was the bike you were enter'd on in the late sixty's/early seventy's. Was that a reference to the frame that was maybe designed and manufactured by you or am I way off the mark.
You are spot on. The Howstar was built by myself using a 250cc Bultaco pursang engine highly worked running on methanol. The compression ratio was so high it was difficult to get the head gasket to seal when the engine was cold. This bike was built when I was a B grader. Later to be sold to finance my first speedway bike.
Can anyone guess who #32 is? He hails from Kurri Kurri district.
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Did he ride Speedway in England?
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No he did not. I do not recall him riding speedway at all. He works in the same underground mine that I currently work at.
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Who is the rider in the background? He was a member of Mayfield MCC.
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Is it a Saxon. If not must be about that vintage.
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#32 Alan Craigs' eldest??(slimmer version ;D) :P
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No it's not Terry Saxon but you were correct, it is the same era. The rider in the background is Noel Haggerty. I think his son dabbles a bit on the cinders tracks these days
#32 rider is Alan Elliott from Kurri. I think the track may have been Heddon Greta after it was shortened.
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Some of my bikes
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What motors in the 323 ? husky ?
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It was a Husky 450cc in a Godden frame. I was sponsored with the bike from John Harris Motorcycles who used to be located in Belmont. The shop is now Trail & Track.
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That's an interesting mix Don, a big bore oil burner in a slider frame . How did it compare?
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Don the first shot with those two Ford utes in the background, any idea where that was taken
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Taree?
What was it with Terry Towelling hats, very Hoges.
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The Husky didn't compare with riding a 500cc JAP or JAWA. I hated riding the thing.
The top two photos were taken in Kempsey pits. Terry toweling hats were almost as disgusting as terry towelling shorts on women. Ugh!!
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Considering I spent what seemed like every 2nd weekend at a meeting I can only ever remember going to Kempsey twice, now I can see it.
Having mentioned the Towelling hats, they were closely followed by the "Custom" Leather Cap, as still worn by TH.
If you go back through the posts on this Topic you'll see that Billy had a very customized one.
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Steve,
Where did you ride speedway at?
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I didn't ride for long but did get to ride at Nepean, Syd Showground, Kembla Grange, Liverpool and once at Jerilderie Park Newcastle.
I did spanner for several years with Allan Grahame, Bruce Penhall & Carl of course.
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Me going slow
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Was that 2nd last one thrown in to test me out?
Several things have me a bit confused.
It's you I gather, the BWP diamond and the number 2.
Could it be a teams event?
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You were close. Yes it is me and yes it was a teams event. The club was Mayfield MCC. I think our team was Terry Saxon, Sprata Mason and myself. Where at do you reckon?
The trials event was the NSW titles at Canberra.
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This was my 250cc Bultaco in a frame I built. My dad named it the "HOWSTAR"
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See if you can guess this track. It was also used as a speedway track for cars but never bikes.
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Teams event, Nepean?
Is the other track in NSW? Steeply banked.
The diamond breast plate is from Newcastle in England.
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morriset
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morriset
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Yes the teams event was at Nepean. I think they only ever run the teams events at Nepean.
The other track was Uralla. The first ever short circuit event that was run at Uralla turned out to be a real problem for them. During practice the police stepped and stopped the meeting. Apparently, the track had not been licensed with a right hander, so the police made them remove the right hander and use the full circuit for the meeting. As you can imagine, I had a field day and that is when that photo was taken just as I came off the main straight.
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Guess what track this was.
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Dubbo?
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Not Dubbo but yes a country track. I think this was the only time I ever rode there.
The helmet was hot pink, the leathers blue with pink stars all over and pink stars down the sides of my boots.If you look close you can see a small emblem of superman on my breast plate. The body colours represented Hunter Valley Light Cycle Club, which my club as a trials rider.
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what about boxers creek
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You beat me to it Jim, or maybe Orange, Young or Cowra.
I've covered a few there I know.
Is that Chad Morgan sitting on a Hagon in the background, actually it looks a bit like Doug Penrose?
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I'll put out of your misery. You got it, it was Cowra. You can't imaging riding around a track nowadays with no safety fence and a couple of yokels sitting on the sideline, can you?
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My first memory of Cowra was around 65 on the Easter Monday after Billy had ridden Dads bikes at Bathurst. The infield was overgrown bigtime & Billy came back after practice with the knuckles on his left hand full of thistles. The Easter Monday dirt trackmeeting swapped around between Cowra & Orange.
Carl had his first big get off at Orange, courtesy of a clash with one of the real old hard heads of the time, George Watson. In no way do I mean George got him because Carl was never one to give in.
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Well, I think I have just about run out of sort circuit photos so here is some speedway shots.
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Thats a really great pic Hollywood
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Truly a great shot, I can hardly believe a bike could be rideable at that angle and the rider still stay in control! Quite a bit different from the modern lay-down motor set up like we see now where the speedway bikes slide so fast and near to vertical and with the left foot tucked in behind the front wheel! The shots at Cowra and Boxers creek brought back some memories for me. I rode at Cowra a few times, Heddon greeter, Taree,Vineyards, Young, Salty Creek once, Orange, Londonderry, and Boxers creek was my favourite track apart from Nepean. cheers wally. Oh and once in Tasmania, I think it was a track near Longford.
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wasn't Latrobe in Tassie was it?
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Dont think so it was about 1965 I just went to watch one of my brothers mates ride and he gave me a ride on his B33 duplex.There were some big names from Vic. riding ,I think one was Leon Street. It wasn't far from Launceston cheers wally.
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G'day Wally, sure it wasn't Neil Street ( Father in law of Phil Crump , Grandad of Jason Crump)
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Waiting for a restart at the Showground with Barry VanPraag in the background and Dennis Alderton far left behind the fence at Jerilderie Park who was a mentor to both Phill Herne & Billy Sanders.
Bluey was from up your way wasn't he? I wonder how or where he is?
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Bluey is still around. I only found out recently that he lives next door to a young bloke that works for me at the mine. I haven't seen him for a million years.
I don't think he has spoken to me since I cost him a maximum score in a very important meeting at J - Park (see attached photo) I was the only one to beat him that night and he wasn't happy.
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Did he stay upright by the way.
I speak to Herney occasionally, he is still a profesional motorbike rider.
He's a Postie in & around Mino.
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Yes he finished second.
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You'd swear he was going down from that angle. I'm sure he's gotten over it.
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This is a great thread. Thought I'd ad some of my pics from my very average speedway career in the late 70's ;D
Hope nobody minds as I'm only a newbie here.
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Rowley Park SA (me, second bike)
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Murray Bridge SA
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Kipo, that's the great thing about this forum, everyday competitors have the same voice as riders who rode at the top level. Trust me, there wouldn't be to many with a shorter career than me.
You would've ridden in Sth OZ around the same time as Phill Bass & Tim Nunan?
Great photos.
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Yeah Kipo, welcome and keep 'em coming, Curly , what a great thread you started !! some awesome shots an stories !! from all !!
OK seeing we are on Speedway , I 'll bet mine was shorter than your's , Steve , Speedway career that is !!, will post a shot of me old Paul Sly framed JAP when I can find one, in the mean time, have a look at this.
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Bert was a fellow St George member and lost his life in a rail accident near Heathcote, The Club's Bert Bayliss Trial was in his memory and I cant recall if it was a Sporting Trial or an Observed Trial , can you help there Don ??
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Thanks Al, I'm enjoying all this reminicing as much as anyone.
Thanks to my 13yo sons developing interest in dirt bikes just a couple of years ago.
After finding several websites of interest the thing that jumped out to me was that Dirt Track ( Short Circuit ),had pretty much become the long lost brother of dirt bikes.
If we can help log some history and educate others on how popular this discipline was in the golden days then it's all good for the future of classic short circuit.
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Kipo, that's the great thing about this forum, everyday competitors have the same voice as riders who rode at the top level. Trust me, there wouldn't be to many with a shorter career than me.
You would've ridden in Sth OZ around the same time as Phill Bass & Tim Nunan?
Great photos.
Those blokes where around, Sam Bass, Phils brother was chief steward at Rowley Park.
Some of the other better know SA riders of that era; Robbie Maxfield, Lou Sansom, Dene Davies, Tony Boyle who died in a speedcar cash and of course John Boulger.
In the outfits there was Dean Taylor and Peter Menz, the Atherton brothers (wild, wild blokes those ones). Ken I'Anson, Brian Schultz. You couldnt beat a Friday night on the Coglin Street hill when they had the solo Aus v's England test. Those where the days!
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Wally and Hoony ,
You are both right about the Street given names, Quote from Old Bike Australia March / April edition, Page 26 ,article about the great Ray Owen " There was no shortage of hard men in the Nunawading club, men like Neil and Leon Street "
The article about Ray Owen is a great read , the mad bastard rode a Hagon JAP in a scramble event and won !!
Fossill
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This appears to be one lap before the crash photo at the end of page 8.
Carl tells me that he lost the left footrest in one of his rare crashes earlier in the day.
A better shot of you Ian.
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While looking for a photo of my one and only Speedway JAP , I came across this photo of the St.George C grade Team in action at Nepean in 1972 , yours truly in the lead, either Steve McKenna or Pete Daly obscured and Alan Hill in 3rd, dunno where we came on the day , it was the NSW Teams Champs.
Me bike is the Goulburn rider, Buzz Burrow's Grasstracker I bought in '71. a fairly early one with BSA rear wheel with a cast alloy cut down brake plate.
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I remember a Hill from St George who was coming up through the grades pretty quick, is that the same Hill in the previous shot Fossil?
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Yeah , thats him , Curly, Alan Hill # 515,
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Curly that shot of Carl and Ian on the previous page. Do you know who the riders in the background are. I reckon 710 is a Kevin Patton whom I think is the old man of a Patton that currently competes at Classic Dirt Track meetings. And I reckon 68 would be Gary Thomas whom rode a few Short Circuit meetings and went ok. However he was a very handy road racer in the late sixtys/early seventys on Kawasaki Mach 111's (white) from memory.
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They're the men Col. Being the Junior class, I'm pretty sure Gary was on a 250 montessa and Kevin on a 250 Hagon Bully. Ian was obviously on a 350 Jap and Carl the B40 Elstar.
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Hey fellow crow eater................
There was nothing better than Rowley park at night, we'd go there for the bikes and cars every week i reackon as kids, sit eating sausage rolls and mums soup, and sniff in all funny race fuel.......
Too close to town my arse. Noisy.... pffft . Only 1km from the city centre ......perposperous.
Now a housing estate, i just hope the pug hole sinks, heard them houses have movent in them, serve them right...... Same as the old track on Anzac hwy, but at least its still an oval and a soccer pitch i guess
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# 710 is KP allright , had a club day down at Sapphire Speedway with Kevin and Cliff two weekends ago, Cliff was riding the 250 and the Hagon 4B JAP, they also had a Hagon 84S JAP there and I scored a few laps on it on me home track.
Kevin tells me he will have the 125 Yammy twin slider ready for Griffith.
Gary Thomas, didnt he run Triumphs in road racing as well??
Foss
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Hey fellow crow eater................
There was nothing better than Rowley park at night, we'd go there for the bikes and cars every week i reackon as kids, sit eating sausage rolls and mums soup, and sniff in all funny race fuel.......
Too close to town my arse. Noisy.... pffft . Only 1km from the city centre ......perposperous.
Now a housing estate, i just hope the pug hole sinks, heard them houses have movent in them, serve them right...... Same as the old track on Anzac hwy, but at least its still an oval and a soccer pitch i guess
Yes, when Rowley Park closed it was the demise of Speedway in SA (IMO). Speedway City was designed for sprint cars so it wasnt long before the bikes departed, several bad accidents including the death of Kevin O'Connell. I remember someone it the bike fraternity was selling T shirts with "Welcome to Friday Night at the Track Grades" on them. Which the promoters where not too impressed with. So the general mum and dads who took the kids to see a bit of everything lost interest. Sure, the diehards would follow their sport. We'd go to Gillman and the car fans would go to Speedway City. But it split speedway fans into 2 groups which ment less crowd at the one venue.
Bulldoze those poxy townhouses at Brompton and reopen the 'brick pit' I say ;D
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Hey Kipo
Did you see the write up, in Old Bike Australia 2009 March / April issue, on Neil Munro and Brian Kuerschner on his Vincent at the Pug Hole ??
and you are right about the mixed programs bringing in the fans to the Skids.
Fossil
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Yes, when Rowley Park closed it was the demise of Speedway in SA (IMO). Speedway City was designed for sprint cars so it wasnt long before the bikes departed, several bad accidents including the death of Kevin O'Connell. I remember someone it the bike fraternity was selling T shirts with "Welcome to Friday Night at the Track Grades" on them. Which the promoters where not too impressed with. So the general mum and dads who took the kids to see a bit of everything lost interest. Sure, the diehards would follow their sport. We'd go to Gillman and the car fans would go to Speedway City. But it split speedway fans into 2 groups which ment less crowd at the one venue.
It's not just a South Australia thing Kipo. The Sydney Showground (and Liverpool before they tarred it) mixed program was a proven winner for 50+years and when they shut it down and turned it into a yuppie tourist trap, speedway died in this berg. Parramatta speedway caters to the sprintcar/midget fans but all we've got for bikes is Nepean which, as much as I love the place, is mostly an amateur, true fans only club day venue. The grand plan for the Eastern Creek motorsport precinct, which currently comprises of the circuit track, go kart track and the drag strip next door, was to include an "international standard speedway" suitable for both bikes and cars, an area for Summernats style street machine events, a motorsport museum and more. Somehow I doubt that these extras will ever see the light of day as long as the current nongs are in government. Imagine the furore if the government allocated money for motorsport before they fixed the hospitals or public transport.
For motorcycle speedway and the mixed program to return first up we need a proper track. To get that a lobby group has to be formed to lobby the opposition Liberal party on the need for such a venue. The drag racers created an unbelievably strong lobby group, including guys like Alan Jones,business leaders and local politicians to push for a stand alone drag strip. The hired a full time spin doctor to sell the idea to pollies and it worked. The result was one of the best drag racing facilities in the world. For us to get the speedway we need, we have to do the same as the drag racers. (sorry for the sidetrack but the demise of speedway is one of my pet peeves)
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KIpo i know the new facility they bought at tailem bend is earmarked for a Dirt track before the other tracks (probally cause its cheaper to get off the ground, be interesting to see if they also do a speedway short track too and go for lights. I ran gillman last year under lights and it was the best fun i had with my pants on. I think its just somthing about ridding under lights and warm nights.
I thnk we are also taking on a round at mildura this year so there is a push to expand the venues so should be good. Pity they are all so far away, thats what made Rowley so good, centre of town and everyone would come in, not sure ho many tailem will pull other than the murray bridge crowd, but being the 1hour or so out from town, ikt might get soem of the vic etc from over the border coming in and those from the mount as its a bit more drivable for them.
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Firstly, sorry Curly3 for the highjack.
Speedway is certainly the poorer for some decisions made over the years. After all we invented motorcyle speedway, Johnny Hoskins at the Maitland Show.
You're right Freakshow, you can't beat a warm night at the speedway. I went to the Australian titles at Mildura in the late 70's. Without a doubt the BEST meeting I've ever been too.
Hot balmy night, huge crowd, Phil Crump won on a maximum, some spectators staged a track sit in protest after either Boulger or Sanders (can't remember who) broke the tapes and was excluded.
Two streakers bolted across the track, one got away the other guy got caught. We got drunk. What a night!!!
Anyone else here there that night?
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Doesn't bother me kipo, I'm glad we're talking about the good old days of both Dirt Track & Speedway.
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Hey Curley 3, can you un-confuse this befuddled older person? I can clearly remember Norm Askew,& Carl Askew, who i believe were brothers, from my earlier motorcycling history. I removed my self from the competitive scene about 1972 and did not get back into it 'till the first of the 'back to Nepean meetings' [the one set up by Darrel and Lyndel Butler], after a chance meeting with Darrel who offered me a ride on his hagon. ... so the question on my mind is are you one of this or a younger generation? dont tell if you don't want to. by the way i will get you to do something with my old slides and photos shortly .cheers wally.
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Hey Steve , Can you wait till Im around to tell Carl he is Norms brother, I just want to see his face and yes its Gary Thomas, number 68 who could ride most forms of bikes whether on tar or dirt but he did ride Nortons not Triumphs, and yes old KP as he likes to be known. If I ever get to put photos up I have some good ones from Nepean, have you organised box from England yet.
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Carl will definitely get a chuckle out of that Wally, I'm Carls youngest brother & Curly Norm was our father. Dads brother, Harold rode sidecars as did his sons Ken & Laurie, which adds names to the mix.
No Ian I haven't organized my package from England as my contact won't return my emails, I don't know what's going on there but he is a Jehovah's Witness and I wished him a happy Easter.
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Thanks, Ian ,for putting me straight on what Garry Thomas rode , for some reason I have always connected his name with Triumphs , I dont know why !!
Looking through a 1971 road race program from Amaroo, I came across this ad for a Short Circuit meeting there, I can see KP in there and Kevin Fraser, but can't identify anyone else.
By the way, Curly, there is a full page advert for Norm Askews on the back cover of the program.
Fossil
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Ian, seems like your the man on what Gary Thomas rode. Did he ever road race Kawaskai 500's. Or did I get that completly wrong.
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Looks like a Leightweight race start to me. 250's for those who may not know. I remember Ole riding at that meeting. Good comment for the sidecar fraternity at the bottom of that program cover Allan, I'm sure the argumentitive Chair boys on this forum will enjoy that.
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Yes , Steve , I agree that it is a Lightweight race start, numbers I can make out are, # 306 on the Bully with the holeshot, #52 Bully next to him , then KP, Fraze, #1, & #15 and the slider closest looks to have 11 or 11? on it, any idea who they might be ??
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The 11 that I remember was Reg Anderson from BWP but I can't remember him riding anything other than a 500. I thought one looked like Matt Daley and he used 15 from memory. Carl rode a Bully at the very start using number 22, but I can't help with the others.
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fantastic thread Curly ! and all those who've posted pix and comments have really enjoyed all the old pix. Been telling my son (24) how it was back in the day speedway Saturday night at Sydney showground we could catch the bus or get a ride from the brother in law he just can't beleive !!
aahhhh the good old days
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Y'know since Curly started this thread, I have been trawling through me old photo albums and old programs and have realised how important all this memorabilia is, Short Circuit in the 60s and 70s was a breeding ground for lifelong friendships an also a little argy- bargy and what a time it was.
I know some would say we are living in the past, but what a past !! Tours , both Short Circuit and Speedway , by the Auld Enemy the Poms, legend OS riders , like Wigg, Pusey, Olsen, Mauger, Fundin, I could go on. The best part about all that was our boys gave it to the Poms in spades !! Think about OUR legends whose names have been on this thread , The Captain, Edwards , Askew, Poole, Fraser, Howison , Hunter , Norris , Crump , Street , Langfield, the list goes on and on !!.
Australia had four World Champions in Speedway last year , and did many people outside the sport know ??
Ahh well, I guess I better get to the point of this post.
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No prizes for identifying the rider on the left, in these pit shots taken at the Royale but who is the young bloke on the right ?? I think I know who it is , but I'm not sure , any ideas anyone ??
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Hey Kipo
Did you see the write up, in Old Bike Australia 2009 March / April issue, on Neil Munro and Brian Kuerschner on his Vincent at the Pug Hole ??
and you are right about the mixed programs bringing in the fans to the Skids.
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HI Fossil, No I didnt see that. You're right, it's good looking at all this nostalga. Australians have been so succesfull in speedway but like you say they are unknown outside the sport. Yet an AFL player and breaks a finger nail its national news >:(
Keep the photos coming, love it!
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I know Carl would be a bit embarassed to see his name mentioned amongst those guys even if he did leave his mark, in more ways than one.
Jim actually swung for my uncle on scrambles before he made his name in Speedway.
That matinee idol wouldn't be you would it Al?
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Nah, not me , Steve, like I said , Ithink I know who it is but I dont want to say yet, in case I colour others thoughts on the matter.
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Hey! Let's not forget the world champs that hailed from the Hunter Valley. Casey Stoner, Chad Reed and Jason Crump.
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Sorry Don, I don't think the Hunter can claim Jason, he's actually born & educated in England and Phil is from Mildura.
Who's the guy with the Spotted leathers in a few shots from Jerilderie Park by the way, they look familiar but I can't put a name to them?
Could the young bloke in the pits at the Showground be a very young Bob Sharpe?
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Jason Crump owns a house at Swansea Heads. Probably doesn't spend much time here but is here during the off season sometimes.
The rider with the spots is Terry Sutherland from Newcastle. Dabbled on both short circuit and speedway.
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Yeah, I thought that the Crumps were from Mildura and Jason was born a Pom like me, anyhoo didn't want to leave anyone out an all that, but that's lists for you , more power to the riders you mentioned , Don ,and thats where It ALL started , the Hunter Valley , c1928, Johnnie Hoskins, Maitland Showground .
OK , the young rider in the second photo I have always understood to be Cec Platt pre fringe era.
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I thought it was probably too recent to be Sharpie but there was something very familiar about him that I couldn't put my finger on. Bob was a very prominent figure at Nepean, sharing his vast experience to anyone who asked at the time I was starting out.
If Crumpy owns a house at Swansea, I'll accept that one.
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You could'nt mention australian and hunter valley legends without mentioning Keith Davies,Greg Primmer and Chris Watson (all multiple aust title holders and up there with the best) from the Mighty wallsend and kurri-kurri clubs :)
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Does any-body have pics of Herb Jeffo riding that daggy looking BSA 350 that scorched the sox of all-comers? I think i have one from Amaroo somewhere. Keep 'em coming cheers wally.
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Hey Wally, There was a magazine article , a year or two ago on Herb with pix of the BSA and the Jawa, I have a copy in me collection.
Don , who is the rider on the left of your first pic today with Fundin , Moore and Langy ?? Not Briggo ?? Took me wife and two week old daughter to Liverpool to watch Ove in 1970, awesome .
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That's who it is Al, Briggo. As competitive as Langy was, he's in illustrious company there, at least 10 world titles between them.
I should also add that all 3 riders that Huski mentioned are all legends for sure. Wato in particular was at the top longer than anyone I can remember and surprises me that he hasn't been mentioned earlier.
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You are correct it was Barry Briggs.
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Robbie Blackadder, Don Howsion, Stuart Mountford & Brian Shields
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My first speedway bike. My sponsor Bill Rae (bike owner) on the right and my brother Ray on the left. Sydney Showground pits.
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Liverpool pre tar days
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Pretty sure thats Dave Mills with you in the last 2 shots and is the mad Austrian Helmut Schipple one of the other guys?
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you are correct again. It is Dave Mills. Not sure who the other riders are. I think, from memory, it was a best pairs event.
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Pits at Jerilderie Park
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Very early in my speedway career at the Showground.
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Wow, a photo of an Aussie icon. Sadly, as good as you were as a rider Don, and how good your photos are (keep 'em coming) I don't mean you, or Hearny for that matter.
In the background of the top photo of you and Hearny at Jerilderie there's a bloke on top of the hill behind you resplendent in beige polyester walk shorts, Fabyani non iron nylon sports shirt and the piece de resistance, a nice pair of long socks and what I hope is a pair of beige Windsor Smith slip on casuals.
The 'ensemble is topped off by a nicely Brylcreemed brush back and neatly manicured sideburns. You just know he had a 'bug rake' in his back pocket.
Damn that was a good look. ;) It reminds me so much of my dad it hurts! ;D
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Hey Firko! I had a large chuckle over your comments, very good. I might put a few Trials photos, what do you reckon?
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No more slow photos on this thread please, even if there are already a few of Ian Burkett. And me of course, there's a section for trials just waiting.
I thought It looked like Stu Mountford, I wonder what his brother Steve is up to these days?
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Hey Wally, Herb, 350 BSA, Heddon Greta 1966
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Photo courtesy Old Bike Australia Sep / Oct 2008
Curly, there is a good shot in the same article of The Captain chasing Herb at Taree , can scan and post if you haven't seen it.
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What a great shot, Herb was definitely the early pacesetter on Sliders. He was always the one that Billy & Dad always talked about having to beat, just as Billy was to Carl. Post the photo Al. Which edition of Old Bike was that article in?
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Yeah, Steve, a bloody great shot and I can remember all of us C graders calling each other " Herb " , Me dog at the time was even called , you guessed it " Herb "
September / October 2008 Old Bike Australia
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Always love a good shot of a Legtrailer in action, I'm pretty sure it was pronounced Erb, well that's how I heard it.
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You're right about the pronunciation , Erb.
Anyhoo here's the other shot, Old Bar 1969, Billy chasing Herb , Alan Hill and I hitch-hiked up an back to Taree to watch this meeting.
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There great old shots jap! especially the top one of "erb", he was a little before my time ,do you guys know any of his history ,where he was from etc? :D
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Erb's from around Newcastle somwhere I think. Interesting to see all 3 styles of helmets from the era in the same shot.
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For Wally and those interested, the above photos came from Old Bike Australia issue #9, if you go to www.chevron.com.au and follow the links Motorbikes - magazines - back issues you will find back issue # 9 still available.
The yarn about Herb is well worth reading and it has some great old photos, and ,of course the Editor , Jim Scaysbrook, was no mean Short Circuit rider himself,there is nearly always some mention or article about Short Circuit in the mag.
Fossil
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My Brother and l always went to the melbourne show grounds long track, l you ride there hollywood, do you ride agains gary o`brian on his JAP. and now you ride trials.
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Calling every-one 'erb brings back memories! i used to wonder where that came from now i know. I was at Amaroo road races standing on the enbankment at the very top corner with Fred Boyd and a Bankstown Wiley park bloke who had a beer in his face when Geof Curtis was first into the corner by a long shot but scattered the manx that he was riding across the track. When he picked himself up the one with the beer said [after a pause] "want a can 'erb?" Geoff looked at him in disbelief and said "what a @#$% of a time to ask me!" cheers wally
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Hey fossil I got your email and i think i replied not sure! any how looking forward to a chat cheers wally.
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My Brother and l always went to the melbourne show grounds long track, l you ride there hollywood, do you ride agains gary o`brian on his JAP. and now you ride trials.
I cannot remember Gary O'Brian and I gave up riding trials in 2000 due to health reasons. I surf longboards now, although I am suffering knee problems at the moment from a work injury.
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Peter Fields on the deck, myself in the middle pushing Brian Shields to the outside.
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With nearly every photo a name that I forgot comes up, that is what this thread is all about. Peter Field, I know Brian Shields has been mentioned before and the Shields family name has been dominant in & around the Hunter for decades. My memory of Gary O'brien was at the OZ Short Circuit titles, St Kilda Sth Aus in 74 when he won the 250 & 500 titles riding Montesa's. The track was pretty much a Goat track after weeks of bad weather. KD won his first unlimited title.
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Alan Hill and I hitch-hiked up an back to Taree to watch this meeting.
;D back in the good old days eh.
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Got any pics of Bob Humphreys there, lads ? He rode test and British league for years, and went through the mill in NSW before that. He's still historic roadracing here in the west to this day, and is still quick. Bob's retired now, and while the papers say he's over 60, if you look in his eyes, you can still see a naughty little kid... :D
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Don, is that Barry Vanpraag at the Bullpens.
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The rider hails from Wangi Wangi, just south on Newcastle. It is Grahame Magnell amd yes it is the Showground. This was taken in 1973, im my first year on speedway.
The other image is Jerilderie Park.
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Bump.
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Hey Steve , I know its not Short Circuit but it's a Classic , from 1951
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Foss
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All good Al, just trying to get the fires burning again.
We are entering the Dirt Track season.
Are you coming to Nepean next weekend?
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This IS Short Circuit, Griffith 30/7/1972 , pic by David Klobe, St. George club team ready for the St George V The Rest test match
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L to R Kevin Wright, Laurie Burns , Pat O'Malley, Alan Hill, the late Peter Daly, Danny Pratt, AND a hairy yours truly
On the bike is Bill Powell , current Sec, of VSRA, still has the little Beezer slider
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Look a bit like Graeme Garden, there fossil , very ' The Goodies", just need that giant kitty to come up in the background...........
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Ever since Hollywood posted that Pic of the big stroker in the slider frame I've been looking for a photo of a particular speedway bike , this is the only photo I can find of it , in the pits at Tralee when we raced on a 300 yard dolomite speedway on the center green of the asphalt car track , not much of a pic but if you look through the front wheel of Tony Days Hagon , you can see it doesn't have a Jap or Jawa fitted but an SC 500 Yammy , it was ridden by Bill Hameling and if he beat you out of the gate , it wasn't a good idea to try and round him up on the outside !!.
My Paul Sly framed 5 stud JAP is the yellow framed bike with the engine guard.
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See you on Sunday if the creeks don't rise
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Who's the rider sitting on fuel drum? don't you love the streamlined steel shoe.
A work of art.
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It's Tony Day , the skidshoe is a clunker !!
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What frame is the sc500 in ?
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Freaky, I pretty sure it's a Jawa frame , itwas a very scary beast to ride against , and to ride !!
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Jeez....my memory bank is working today. I remember the little guy in the top photo, Kevin Wright. He never looked old enough to race with the big kids! I also recall an SC500 powered speedway bike. Someone rode a 380 Greeves powered solo at the Showground during the late sixties, would it have been Bob Sharpe? I helped a guy with some fabrication on a 501 Maico powered speedway bike that never saw the track after he took it to Menai for some shakedowns and was scared shitless by it. The Jawa speedway frame was later converted to a swingarmed dirt tracker, sold to a guy in Mildura and never seen again.
The Yanks experimented with two stroke speedway bikes in California during the seventies but they put a stop to the stupidity before someone got killed. During that time I remember a really young guy with a Maico 440 speedway bike at Ascot and he was all over the shop in qualifying. He then hopped on his Jawa and blitzed. His name was Bobby Schwartz and he did OK I believe. ::)
I also remember the first Maely speedway bikes being ridden by a really young Scott Autrey. The Maely Mk1 was in reality a Honda XL350 top end on a Maely build crankcase and crankshaft. They were actually pretty well engineered and showed a lot of potential............Anyway, I'm getting off thread, sorry!
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I spannered a few times for Bobby " Boogaloo " Schwartz when he came to Oz and yes he was very good, won a couple of World Best Pairs with Bruce Penhall in the 80's.
Good fella.
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Hey Steve
EA was unpacking some old books and photos and I came across this one
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Caption reads " Birmingham's " Wild Colonial Boy " Carl Askew blasts around the boards at Rye House.
Cheers
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1974 and his first season in England. Good shot.
Thanks Fossil.
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Yeah Good shot Steve , I am originally from Birmingham and me grandmother ran the Canteen at Birmingham Perry Barr so I was infected early in life,
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OK also from 1974 , Wanna buy a racebike ??
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Your a Brummie, that does explain a lot.
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Hommer 'em Cradley
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OK also from 1974 , Wanna buy a racebike ??
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[/quote] No worries Jap 491 pound i'll have 2 ;)
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Only two Husky ??
Ok another Aussie riding for the Brummies
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Phil Herne getting a bit of drive.
By the way " Hommer 'em Craydley " is the war-cry of the Cradley Heath fans, I've written it as Brummies say it , they dont speak proper in Brum.
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Yum saft yo am?
Phil's still a proffesional motorbike rider, he's a postie and his son Jay is riding in England at the moment.
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Yo frum Brumagem , our kid ??
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Jeez....my memory bank is working today. I remember the little guy in the top photo, Kevin Wright. He never looked old enough to race with the big kids! sorry!
Firko,
I hadn't seen Kevin for nearly 30 years when he showed up at the 50th anniversary at Nepean, I think he was with TH , still doesnt look old enough !! by the way, somewhere I have a shot of Mick Baran at the start on the CCM at Nepean, it was a C grade teams event an he was riding for St. George , I'll post it when I find it.
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kevin turns up at our club days with th and tim
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A couple of shots from the Weslake era , Kempsey 1977 or 1978 not sure
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Top photo :- Len Norris, Greg Primmer [ obs] and an unknown rider getting a push start
Bottom photo :- Lenny chasing Greg, unknown rider 3rd, Pummo 4th
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This one from Nepean
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Th and Pummo chasing unknown rider on CR 500,
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I think A9 is former Australian Speedway Champion Steve Regelling. He liked the tassels.
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I'm sure you are right , Steve , cos the name rings a bell , now you've mentioned it , only went to Kempsey once and Steve Regeling was there, the race number just didn't ring any bells.
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http://vintagespeedway.homestead.com/titles.html
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From the July 1975 issue of Two Wheels
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Langy at Salty Creek in a Pom V Aussie Test
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This advert from July '75 Two Wheels
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Was gunna crop the text, but I thought , what the hell
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From the July 1975 issue of Two Wheels
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Langy at Salty Creek in a Pom V Aussie Test
Hey Old Foss, do you know who took that? Very cool shot!. ;D
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Tony, Ive just checked the magazine and it doesn't credit the photographer that took that photo or indeed any photo in the Mag.
I've known Langy well for many years now and I know he loved to stick it up the Poms on the track , it was only 12 months ago I admitted to him I was a Pom , bloody hell you should have heard him , The Auld Enemy , 3rd February 1854 and all that , wasn't till I told him me mob came from Ireland originally that he settled down
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A couple more pit lane shots from Kempsey , Ian Williams with Dad Taffy in the top shot , no prizes for guessing who the bottom shot is !!
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Freight Train at Pit corner Kempsey, TH is there Ian Williams , but who is the Pepsi #3 rider in about 3rd or 4th ?? check the crowd !!
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Apologise for the quality , however these photos have survived 30 or more years plus a house fire.
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Hey Fossil dont apoligise for anything mate, thanks for the memories, if thats the 77' Akubra classic thats the first open short-circuit i ever rode in, great days :D that shot of langy's an absolute gem. ;) cheers huskibul
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Hey Foss, at a guess would that be the Oz titles held at Kempsey and I think Stephan Gall won it that year.
I think no3 is his team mate, Willoughby or something.
Looks like Len Norris got a bad start.
C'mon Mr Burkett, extract a digit, where are your photo's?
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Not sure of the numbers (to long ago) maybe Chris Dixon on #3 ? or did gall change to 3 for the day ?
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Yeah, Huski
Just spoke to bro Jim and both he and I thought maybe Chris Dixon
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Did pete lee go through the green hornet faze ? did he think he was a super hero or somthing, even green gloves that shoot spider webs ?...... pete what he hell where you thinking, you just needed tassles man..............
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It was my understanding that Green was bad luck, it will be interesting to here from Pete how lucky he was in those leathers.
My brother Carl would even cut any green out of stickers before putting them on his bike, I Pissed him off big time once by deliberately hanging a green rag out of my back pocket when spannering for him at a Longtrack meeting.
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Curly 3's mention of Gordon Guasco in the First Sliders thread prompted me to chase this photo up,
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Stars of Speedway ,and short circuit at times, from the early '70s ,in the pits at The Headquarters
L to R Jim Airey, "Cowboy" Bob Sharp and " Horse " , the late Gordon Guasco
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I can remember Gordon Guascos JAP for sale in Ryans still with the dirt on it from that last ride. He was my favourite along with another of the forgotten 'Showy' stars of the 60s/70s, Cec Platt. Cec later became a mate through Penrith club and still turns up at most Nepean meetings adorned in his customary 10 gallon Stetson and cowboy boots. His son Ty was also a very good rider who, like his father, never quite achieved the success he deserved.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/smplatt.jpg)
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This photo from Two Wheels 1973,January edition
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Jim Airey at the 1972 Nepean Six Hour , dunno who # 17 is
Foss
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GC was untouchable this day.
Granite Park Seymour.
This was one hell of a corner, Long, Downhill, Off Camber and tightened right up at the bottom.
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Charlie Edwards chasing.
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Walk back to the pits, courtesy of a broken chain, I think.
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Isn't that Geoff Curtis, walking Curly3?
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Yes Pancho thats him and it was a flat tyre wasnt it
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Yes Wally and its him riding as well. 1973, the same year that "Bastard" Showground claimed him.
I beg to differ Ian, I'm pretty sure he won the race with a flat tyre and the broken chain incident came just after the re-start of the Unlimited final which was eventually won by Keith Davies. There was a major pile up in the first corner of the first start and GC, KD, Charlie Edwards and Keith Sewell all came down. Courtesy of Scaysie's book, Australia's Motorcycling Heritage.
Where are your photo's Ian, we're starting to run dry.
Do you want me to come over and hold your hand. I said HAND.
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I was pretty sure number 41 was Geoff but I miss-read your post, then I saw the pic, He was a very pleasant unassuming bloke who I always considered to be a very safe rider. I was shocked the day I heard about his passing to the point where I can still remember what I was doing at the time I heard the bad news. pancho.
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Pancho, Geoff was a class act allround.
His advice to up & coming Speedway riders was to avoid the Showground.
The accident that took him away was a pretty innocuouse looking prang but awkwardly he got caught between the bike and that bloody concrete.
I can personally attest to the unforgiving nature of the Showground and from what I've heard I'm one of the lucky ones, it all goes to show that when your number comes up, it's out of our hands.
I may be wrong but I think he was the second of two out of three brothers to lose their life on a motorcycle.
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Right , with Griffith only about , errrr, 19 sleeps away , I thought I'd post these start shots from the inaugural Aussie Classic Titles held at West Wyalong in 1994 , Just ta get yas in the mood !!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Short%20Circuit/WestWyalong94.jpg)
# 8 Geoff Grabham , #54 Garry O'Brien, # 53 Bob Sunderland , # 79 Lenny Norris, #64 Dave Knox, # 190 Ron Davis , any-one help with the rest ?? ,
#149 is an Astro with a 500 Yammy fitted , came from Vic I think.
Foss
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Allrighty , here's a start line up from Griffith in 197?
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# 709 Neil Appaloni, # 200 Gary Harriman , I think , # 454 Yours truly, # 371 ?? , #12 ??
I wonder what's got everyone's attention ??
Photo by Dennis Miller , Griffith
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#12 from the last couple of photos would be me.
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Thanks for that , is that a Cole engine in the B/W shot and is it an Elstar ??
Foss
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I wouldn't have picked the B&W shot for you Pete, you must have been just a pup. It sure looks like a Cole to me and it has that funny little Elstar front guard, they usually came as a package.
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I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure that was me, Steve. I had Daytona boots, #12 and a Cole Elstar. I was definitely riding when Neil, Gary and Al were. I think 371 might be Ron Sumskis. Worst thing I ever did was getting rid of my 84S and getting that Cole. By the way, I think that Gary Harriman's girlfriend must have been standing in the infield to warrant all that attention.
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Pete ,
I am pretty sure it is you , now, 'cos its definately a Cole Elstar, with your race number, the thing that gives it away as an Elstar , to me , are the fork gaiters, Hagons and Goddens have the same gaiters , but Elstar gaiters are longer, I'm on an Elstar in that photo and you will see my gaiters are the same as yours but different to both Neil's Hagon and Garry's Godden , OK go back in this thread to the start shot at Yass and it's probably you not Ron Lea on the #12 Cole Elstar next to Kevin Fraser, did you have a run at Yass ??
In my opinion , Elstars had much better forks than Hagons and I preferred them as a race bike .
Foss
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Hi Al,
Yep, that was me at Yass. Rode a heap of open meetings down there as well as club days - it was our clubs's home track for a lot of years. I agree with you about the Elstars being a better frame, however the Cole was a different story altogether. I have a lot of old photos from Yass, I'll try and dig them out,
Pete.
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,there great shot's fella's keep em' coming,and it's good to hear some "good oil "on the frame's/motor's etc Cheers ;)
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Well when i saw this picture, all i could think of was....... thats exactly as i imagine alison to llok like ;D
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A couple of shots from the Weslake era , Kempsey 1977 or 1978 not sure
Hi Jap 454, I haven't been on for a while but just having a look, that meeting at Kempsey was the second round of the Golden Wheels series ,20 May 1979, Steve Regeling is the rider A9,also spotted the Zacher sidecar duo in the background,Ron snr and Ron Jnr in the green leathers.Thats a great shot of Pete Lee on his Green Godden Jap.( That is the same bike I own now and have ridden at the classic meetings a few years ago),Pete had a 250 yamaha in it for some time and I rebuilt it with my motor and gearbox.Great pics .Keep em coming.
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Freaky, what track and era is that?
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Im thinking new zealand ? late 60's by the leather helmet :O)
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its a big track, look at how wide the corners are !
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With the Griffith Nats just around the corner , I thought I'd post this shot of Tony Day and myself on turn 1 at the Pines, the shot shows the surface at Griffith well, it was taken in the late '70s cos I have me flaaash leathers on !!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Short%20Circuit/Griffith/TDmeGriffith.jpg)
Foss
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off topic a bit but latest "old bike" mag had a request for country dirt track stories....ed. said fine but photos are a problem ( just thought i'd let you know)....grumpy
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Just a reminder.
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Been trying to get hold of this photo of the late Gordon Guasco since his name came up in the first sliders thread. Langy came up with it for me .
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/GordonGuasco3.jpg)
Vale GG
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Another career cut short, great rider.
No wonder his nickname was Horse.
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Freight Train at Pit corner Kempsey, TH is there , Ian Williams , but who is the Pepsi #3 rider in about 3rd or 4th ?? check the crowd !!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Kempseypitcorner.jpg)
Apologise for the quality , however these photos have survived 30 or more years plus a house fire.
Foss
Been searching through me fire damaged photos and found the sequel to the first shot , Ian Williams is having a big go inside TH and does grab the lead as the next shot I have shows , however it is to badly damaged to post.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Short%20Circuit/Kempsey2.jpg)
One thing , I can't remember TH wearing blue and white leathers , his number is on the bike , Steve ??
Foss
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While I was going through me photos , I found this shot of veteran Longtrack and Speedway rider Ken Carrat of Canberra, I used it as a publicity shot in the local rag, the shot was taken in 2003 , Ken was 57 then , and still competes in Veteran Speedway events around OZ , the last one he rode in was the recent Gillman meeting , I think there is a thread about it on the forum.
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Turn 3 at Sapphire Speedway, Bega , Ken Carrat ,1960's Jawa Longtracker , 2 Valve Slider event at 2003 South Coast Cup meeting.
Foss
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It's definitely TH, looks like the first lap and Trev's 700 got the holeshot.
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Steve dont be like that , just because its true an yes he did have those shit leathers but not for long , he got them for free.
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Thanks Ian and Steve , that explains it , I just couldn't remember TH in those leathers .
Foss
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Where are your photo's Ian? No more excuses.
The rest of us are running on empty.
Those blue ones were better than the baby shite brown ones he wore for years.
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While checking this shot out of the late Ian Williams at Kempsey, obviously having issues with the Wessie, I noticed TH was in the background with those blue and white leathers , I just wondered who he was yakkiing to , a couple of them look familiar, any idea Steve ??
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Short%20Circuit/THKempsey.jpg)
Foss
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I have no idea Foss, this was the time between Carlos giving Short Circuit away in 74 and when I rode from 79 - 82.
Mr Burkett would know, one of them may even be him???????
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The gentlemen with Trev are Mr Metcalffe behind him , next to him is Max Woodruff and the other is Alex Shultz of Carlisle tyres
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The recent sad passing of Arthur Hamburger prompted me to find up this program cover , it was the last open meeting at Boxers Creek and that was when I met and competed against Arthur for the first time.
VALE " ARFA"
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For those of you that didn't know the circuit , it was a Miniature TT style of track , over 3/4 mile around with all sorts of corners and a loooooong straight, the only one I knew of that had braking markers at the fast end , I won my one and only A grade event there , against not a lot of opposition , Lee Roebuck and a fella on a Hagon Goldie gave me heaps , loved the place.
There were a couple of club days held after this meeting and you can still see the outline of the track using Google Earth.
Foss
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Its a pity its not still there, I have good memories of the place not only on solos but sidecars with my old man. Still remember Dave Mitchell on a Elstar JAP
one meeting that will remain a long time
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Nothing new from me, just noticed we had been bumped back to page 3.
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*I notice the name Rod Dunne on the rider list for that Boxer Ck meeting in 1972. I was talking to him only recently and he's still involved as a restorer. He is restoring a number of different speedway and DT tackle and owns the ex Jim Scaysbrook Matchless Metisse which he had at CD6.
*Neil Daines was involved during the early days of VMX on his B50...He was pretty quick too.
*Ditto Ross Murray who had a string of Maicos.
*Ron Davis is still competing regularly on his quick TM400...He's the head of the Highway Patrol at Deniliquin these days.
*I still see Darrel Butler at various dirt track meets. His family are still involved but he no longer races.
I have no idea what happened to that old fosil Alan Garvey since his big win though?
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you are a very cheeky man firko.(I have no idea what happened to that old fosil Alan Garvey since his big win though?)
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I heard he was planning a comeback at the next Jack Hogg ;D ;D ;D
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Ya mean the 31st comeback , don't ya Steve ?? , never really left , in me head that is !!
OK Scraping the barrell a bit here Steve , but here goes.
Only just re-discovered these, knew I had them , but not where
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The BiiiG Prang between the Aussies an the Poms at the end of Youngs loooong straight, this is the one on that DVD , Steve
From the South West News Pictorial Dec 20 1972
Once again , the quality isn't good but they survived
Foss
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And here's the other one , from Revs September 1972
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Foss
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Steve , I've just realised that the rider doing the flying W in the top shot of the prang at Young is The Captain . the caption for the photo, as well as the other half of the page , is missing.
I had saved the paper because there was a photo on the missing half of the page of a Mantossa doing a handstand on me on that same corner, still got lumps from that prang !!
Foss
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That's Bill, hit from behind by Roland I think.
Interesting to see that GC wasn't in the test team for that meeting and was untouchable in the other races as was Charlie, in the test match races and the smaller classes.
Other names amongst the results were fellow forum members, Col Moody and Ian Burkett.
I noticed BWP are hosting one of the club days at Nepean this year, they also have their 60th reunion in march this year.
How the hell did they get through so many races in a day?
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Anyone got any better shots of the #74 Tom gibson - kx125 cc bike ? circ 74/75/76
prefer side on and colour but here's hoping :)
the Cooky cutter as it appears in VMX #14 p39. #74 (Tom Gibson)
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy158/cufflink_photos/KX125slider74TomGibson.jpg)
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Bump.
C'mon Ian, extract a digit.
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looks like a YZ E heading it up..
cheers
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Here Ya go Slides ,
Scraping a bit but this is from Two Wheels December 1973
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C'mon lads , someone must have some Short Circuit photos or memorabilia, I've got to the bottom of the barrel , maybe not quite, I've found a couple of shots of Charlie Edwards, but thats another yarn.
Foss
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I stumbled across this Ripper.
Len Norris, fullnoise, great shot.
Pretty much sums up the whole Slider scene.
Hey Foss, thats Lenny Searle behind TH in that advertisement.
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Hey, Slides ,
What a SHIT HOT shot of Loop , do you know where it is ??
Thought it was Lenny Searle
BTW pm me your postal address, I've lost it , I've got the DVDs of " Once a Jolly Swagman ", if ya want one , you too Wally.
Foss
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Yeah Foss I'd love a copy.
Old Boxers Creek track was my favourite apart from Nepean, had some great fun and made some good memories there.
I have a plastic bag full of colour slides that slides might copy for me one day.
cheers pancho
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Foss, I'll send you an email, I've got a copy of the 7 Hour race in 62 for you as well.
Yeah Wally, I'll send you one too.
The sign on the fence says Wallsend I think so that would make it in the Hunter somewhere.
My guess is an early Raymond Terrace shot.
Mr Bucket would know.
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I take it you can burn a copy for Wally, Slides ??
Foss
Wally has just sent me his address , Slides, so it's all good
Foss
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Might know a bloke south of the border, yellow leathers, # 29 who reckons he has some photo's etc. Said you lot up north were all nancy boys! Cheers Jerry
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Does anyone know how many Australian Titles Billy McDonald won?
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Googling Bill Macdonald Australian Short Circuit Titles, this came up, very interesting info on the MSM motor.
check it out .
http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/archives/speedwaybikes/msm.htm
Foss
Over to you , Slides
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Billy won 4 OZ titles.
2 x Unlimited, 1 x Senior ( 500cc ) and 1 x Junior ( 350cc ).
I'm pretty sure that shot above at Amaroo Park was taken the day he won the Junior title.
Interestingly his grandson has already won about 7 titles in the Junior ranks on both DT & MX.
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Billy is a very modest "True legend" thumbs up :)
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any photos of seymour in vic
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If you go back to page 21 there are a few shots of Geoff Curtis at Seymour.
What a track, is it still running?
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I dont have anything on Seymour, that I can find, however here's one of Charlie Edwards at Romsey around 1973
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/CharlieEdwardsRomsey.jpg)
Foss
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I thought you were running out of photos Foss, that's a beaudy.
Don't you love the line of the throttle cable?
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Yeah , Steve , getting a bit low on photos, was gunna do a bit on Charlies twin cylinder things, but haven't got a round tuit.
in that shot, Charlie is moving along pretty well as his face is pushed back a bit , open face helmets let you know when you are going quick, used to happen on long straights like Young and Boxers.
Foss
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Gday everyone. This is my first photo post. I have alot more to come. Here is a pic from the pits at West Wyalong 1975. Me standing, my father Ron sitting and Sir Allan Garvey's 454 in the background. This is when i first met Allan
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This is Foss at Griffith 1976?
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And again... Approaching the right hander
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This is me at West Wyalong. Ossa 250 1975
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Go the Foss and the Elstar, bet he wished he still had it.
A pit area full of Sliders, love to see that again.
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Hey RN 400, I have got some top pics of Seymour. Be patient, they will be posted!Riders featured include Gary Chasemore, Lenny Norris, Don Stafford, Carl Morlang Ray Owen etc.etc. Couldn,t agree with you more Slides about the sliders in the pits. All JAP 500's . Beautiful sight.
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Not just the sight, but the Smell and the sound of a grid full of JAP's on the throttle.
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Its amazing the amount of people that where involved in some way back in the day, with solo and outfits... :o :o
Every one I tell about HBBB says "Oh yes I own this and rode that and swung on that"...One blokes wife sold the whole kit and kaboodle when he ended up in hospital for 8 months.. >:( :'(
Just unreal the people you speak too...it must have been a real weekends outings for so many 8)
cheers A
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Ian Williams leading a hard charging Garry Harriman. Australian titles '75 Griffith
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Garry Harriman running out of track. Griffith '75
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Out of the gate Griffith '75. Surrounded by MX's
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Paul Tyson and Glen McDonald Griffith '75
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Griffith was my favourite track/place. Great people and hospitality and top racing. We went to as many meetings as possible. Leave home at 4.30 am sat. Lunch at the RSL then around to Connie Shields' place where we were put up for the night. Saturday arvo we'd go out to the track and have a walk around and say hello then off to De Bortelis' winery. Hic! Sunday morning early b/fast at Connies' then off to the track for the day. After the last race we'd load up and head south for 6 or 7 hrs. Great days!!! I reckon theres something in the water up at Griffith because some of those local boys sure could ride! eg. Peter Lee, Garry Harriman, Paul Tyson Paul Goddard ? etc regards Mark
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Thanks for the shots Mark, Peter Lee is still going round & round.
A few names there I hadn't heard before.
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Hi Slides, There was no love lost between those Griffith boys when they got out on the track! Garry Harriman was Mr. Excitement. Fantastic rider . Didn't know what brakes were for. I think Keith Davies took him under his wing if my memory serves me correct. Paul Tyson was real quick and is famous for going over the guard rail entering the straight at Griffith '75 Aust. Titles. Spectacular!! Peter Lee was just bloody good!!! Pete was 3rd in the 500 and Gary was 3rd in the Unlimited. at the titles. It was probably the most aggressive and exciting racing i have seen. Like i said... there was something in the water. regards Mark
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More photos from Griffith '75, Keith Davies
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Dont know who this is..?
125's
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Yours truly
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Gary O'Brian at Griffith in '75?
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Me again
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Big boys at play
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i think 49 is kevin fraser
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Hey Slider.
Top shots buddy , I was at the meeting and saw Paul Tyson launch into the crowd on turn one , that was a very exciting meeting with some of the Young Guns of the day taking it right up to the big names.
# 49 is Fraze, #79 a young Len Norris, # 217 Cady perhaps, c'mon Slides you'll know, is #1, blue and white leathers Greg Primmer ?? and #92 in the 125s, not an early Lloyd Richards ??
Good stuff, Mark
Foss
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Hey Al,
Pretty sure No1 was Greg Primmer. Mick Cady was 318. I remember the Daily Telegraph published a promotional photo for the Griffith titles featuring Mick on the gas. What a great photo.
I've still got my bottle of commemorative port from that meeting. All the other guys drank theirs on the way home, but I hid mine. I was going to open it on my first born's birth, but that was 24 years ago, so I missed that boat by a little bit.
Great photos heh?
Pete.
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Yeah , Pete
Top shots and what memories , thanks to Slider. Talking about memories, I was thinking about # 217 after I had posted and knew I was wrong.
Foss
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I've still got my bottle of commemorative port from that meeting. All the other guys drank theirs on the way home, but I hid mine. I was going to open it on my first born's birth, but that was 24 years ago, so I missed that boat by a little bit.
Great photos heh?
Don't even consider drinking it now Pete....we knocked the top off Chris Ellis's bottle about 10 years ago, hoping for a nicely matured port but sadly it was rancid ;D. I've still got another bottle here or maybe it's on the shelf in Bernies bar!
I still can't believe your little girl's 24!
Great memories of perhaps the greatest dirt track meeting in history Slider29. I still have the mental image of Langy and Phil Wilson bitch slappin' each other in the middle of turn one!
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I bet Langy didn't deserve it ;D
Great shots Mark, is that GC's Hagon your on?
Love the first shot of KD & Fraze, sums up the 2 differing styles perfectly.
The second photo with no 1 is definetly Greg Primmer and for a second there I thought the guy going around the outside was the FOSS, but then I noticed Gary O'briens number.
Keep em coming because these are the shots from the years after we drifted away from the sport because Carlos was in the Old Dart.
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Yeah, Firko, it was a very memorable meeting for sure and one of the most hard fought, too . EA just reminded me that the Hospital Matron was having a hissy fit about all the admissions from the meeting.
Turn one tactics in the B grade events, mate of mine Barry Collyer on a SC500 or was it a YZ 360 ?? , don't remember,would come whistling up on the outside in turn one and reach over with his left leg and stomp me back into top gear, the bastard, and laugh about it later, I beat the bugger, had too
Foss
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Barry was still doing stuff like that in vintage dirt track 20 years later Foss ;D. I reckon we should get him back, we could do with a few more of the old characters. I think he's still got a couple of bikes.
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Firko, he's still doin' it
He did it to Tony Day in the 50th anniversary parade at Nepean.
Foss
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Good to get some feed back on the photos fellas. Glad you like them. Theres not many more of Griffith but i have lots more from other tracks!! I'm trying to get them in order. Number 1 is Greg Primmer, 54 Gary O'Brian and i think 217 is a young Micheal Stormonth? An all white slider JAP?? Yeah slides i'm on G C's hagon
It went faster with him on it. I've still got my port but i'm sure it will taste like piss so in the bottle it stays. My dad, Ron Eastham took all of the photos as well as being my pit crew. Keep looking. cheers Mark. ps. what a race meeting that was!! Everybody went nuts . pps I've got some of the '75 titles on film but its over exposed. Any suggestions?
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Gary O'Brian at Griffith in '75?
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/Mark_eastham/7.jpg)
I'm going to Gary O'briens place for lunch tomorrow, I will show him these photo's
Stan.
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Great stuff! keep 'em comin' Gimme More!
Cheers pancho.
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Have to wait until my young bloke comes for a visit before i post any more pics because i haven't got a clue!! regards Mark
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Join the club Mark.
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Have to wait until my young bloke comes for a visit before i post any more pics because i haven't got a clue!! regards Mark
Have a look at this , Mark
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6667.0,
It's not too hard once you have done it a couple of times, like everything I guess
Good luck
Foss
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if i post em all up to quick you won't have anything to look forward to. i have to make it last as long as i can. i'm getting heaps of enjoyment bringing these pics back to life. more than you could imagine!! regards, mark
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Take your time Mark, you've only been on here for a few weeks, Ian Burkett ( 37 ) has been on here for years and promised heaps of photo's, as yet we've had Jack. ;D ;)
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Here are some more boys. Enjoy! The wonderful Connie Shields at Griffith, April '76
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Me taking the inside line @ West Wyalong '76 Photo taken by Alan Garvey
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Gary Chasemore 125cc. I think it was his one and only visit to Griffith
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This is my favourite photo. Me at full throttle entering the straight at Griffith.... It just wont go any faster :D
250cc Ossa roadrace specs
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The great Harry Rowe checking my lubrication at Griffith. Hagon Jap 500 and yes, Yamaico.. i know who we are looking at. Garry Harriman's girlfriend ;) ;)
Shes walked back into the pits
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C'mon Ian, the Mexicans are taking over.
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Bloody hell, Slider, do those photos bring back some memories or what !!.
Connie was always very helpful to any rider and would enter you on the day, feed you ,etc, etc Top lady.
Great shot of you on the Ossa and that's Barry Collyer on the white framed slider behind Connie, Phil Robertson with the beard and cut-off denim.
And that would have to be Ginger Davies doing the scrutineering.
Griffith tracks oiled surface was always the best bar none in those days , Dunlop K70 on the back and howling going onto the straight!!
Loved it !!
Oh yeah, Gary's girlfriend was a looker EH !!
Foss
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Yeah great shots Mark, I'm pretty sure I rode Speedway with Barry Collyer's son Bruce?
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Yeah great shots Mark, I'm pretty sure I rode Speedway with Barry Collyer's son Bruce?
That's him Slides, he was VERY young when he started Speedway !!
Foss
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OK , Here's a pit shot of West Wyalong, the same meeting as the shots you posted , Slider , Phil Robbertson from the Griffith shot and your 250 there , Mark.
Slides , that's where all the chookies were, at that meeting, huddled together
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Here's another shot, Turn one at Wyalong
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Gary Harriman down on the outside. Rod Mcnab #113, Len Norris obscured by # 760, # 77 Glen McDonald on the XL250 Hagon.
Apologise for the quality but I only have 3 shots of Wyalong that survived
Foss
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question for "Slider 29" is Alan Garvey still around?? I rode the Riverina tracks from 1968 to 1977 and do not have one photo to hang on the wall. not even bike in pits.I would have ridden at Wyalong that meeting ( home track ) number 761 . any info appreciated............Grumpy
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Is Alan Garvey still around? Hell yeah, he's the Foss on here.
I should add Al, I'm pretty sure brother Carlos has that Hagon Honda frame that Glen Mcd is on.
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c'mon Al, own up and put Grumpy at ease
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Hey Grumpy
#761, rings a bell, I'll have a look through the photos I have and see what I can find.
Al Garvey,
aka Foss
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just been talking to Gary Chasemore and he informed me that he raced at Griffith at least 1/2 doz. times. Sorry, my mistake. Harrimans girlfriend was Jenny??? Blonde, petite and all things nice :)Foss, that all white slider may have been in one of my earlier photos,(big boys at play)#217. We used to stay at Connies place, wonderful lady.That 250 Ossa was a really quick bike.Factory road race spec. motor. Top end power was awesome! The frame was built by Ray Owens' son in law and my Dad and bro Steve did everything else, incl. the motor. I'll post more info on the bike later. cheers, Mark
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Dead right Mark. GH's girl used to make the long drive bearable for all the Wollongong lads. Great photos mate, a lot of great memories there.
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Jenny Brown passed away years ago fellows, sad to say.
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Thanks for letting us know 52. That is very sad.
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thanks Foss......there is a 760 in post#421 but thats not me.....mine is 250 Bultaco 761 ......early photos could be slider 125 Suzuki or slider 350 Velocette.......................Grumpy
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Don't know who but I know its the Syd Showground approx 32.
Love it.
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A couple of cool blokes from that era.
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love those pioneer days pics guys.
heres Lionel Van Paag 1936 1st ever world speedway champion
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and heres aussie leg trailer Bert Spencer
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Pharkin' awsome shots , Slides an KB and now Hoony I see, Love the hand gearchange on the Duggie , that's Van Praag in your first shot Isn't it , Hoony ??. Too quick , didn't see the caption !!!
Slides, 22 inch rear wheel , bum on the mudguard , hookin'up !!
Foss
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A mate of mine worked with LvP for Ad Astra Aviation, plotting and mapping remote areas of Aussie from the air, reckoned he was a good bloke but hard as nails. To his surprise though, although they'd worked together for yonks Lionel had never mentioned his speedway past, and my mate was amazed when he dropped the name in conversation and I revealed the historical significance ! :o
I was also disappointed to spot in a pommy speedway forum a while back that following Lionel's win, the bike he rode was manhandled over the fence and out of the stadium, the inference being that it may have been oversize. If this was indeed so, I'd reckon it wouldn't have been the only one out there... :-[
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Jenny Brown passed away years ago fellows, sad to say.
That's really sad, Pete. We certainly meant no disrespect.
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A couple of shots of our forgotten cousins.
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Love the sidecars Slides. On page 28 there is a photo of me with the late Harry Rowe in white overalls. Harry was my Dads best mate and my 2nd Dad. Harry was a multiple Aust. sidecar champion on bituman and dirt. Harry was an absolute gun when it came to 4 stroke engines, japs, eso's(jawas) Triumphs, Nortons etc. etc. He spannered for the aussies AND the poms when they came out here. He is the reason we got involved with ShortCircuit Racing. I started going up to N.S.W. with the "boy's" when i was about 7 yrs old. "H" was a true gentleman and much loved in motorcycling circles. He passed away at Griffith Speedway on Oct. 10 1998 doing what he loved. Racing sidecars. ps. I wish my Dad and "H" could see whats going on here. They'd be tickled pink! regards, Mark
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Got any photo's of your dad on his Sidecar Mark?
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hi slides, when i said "H" was my 2nd Dad i meant it like i had two Dads at the same time. I sure can get some pics of Harry racing and have heaps of footage on dvd from the '60's. I've talked to Harry's family and they are more than happy to help out with photos etc. Mark
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Here is a picture of my Hagon Jap 500cc 1976
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Here is the Jap again. What i'd give to have this bike back again...
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Here is my Ossa. The jap, and my ol' man's EH Holden at Wangaratta '76
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Here is another shot of the Ossa. The bike that we built from the ground up!
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If you can see under that huge head of hair... you will see "yours truly" haha
The same Hagon Jap, 2 years later - '78
Thank god some things stayed in the 70's. Stop laughing fellas
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1978 again. L-R
Me, Rod McCready, and younger brother Mark McCready. They were from Seymour, Victoria. The McCready family bought my bikes
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Interesting how GC's Hagon went back to Seymour, site of one of his greatest wins.
Have you tried to track the McCready's down Mark?, good starting point.
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Hi only new to the site; have some additonal pictures that may help from 70's.
A couple of these have been taken from old movie frames we have.
My uncle and father Peter and Colin Laws are shown in a couple. Peter raced a hagon sandracer short stroke Jap, he also raced a factory yamaha yz in a hagon stroker frame (the yz one of the first I believe, only 5 were bought into Australia, Peter owned one, the rest went to motorcross riders, 50 released worldwide). Colin also used to race a hagon stroker with a later model yz. Peter raced at a national level on many occations. Napean being his local track, he was recorded form the tower at Napean raceway with a lap time 28.9 seconds, the only difference in the track at that time was a more prominent right hand bend after the speedway corner, making the turn more difficult if anything.
Here are some photos;
This one, 1971 Napean, 1 Bill Macdonald, 49 Kevin Fraser. This one 1975 national titles griffith. 96 Peter Laws, 297 Keith Davies, 25 Greg Primmer. Not sure about others?
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Here are 4 Shots of Peter Laws taking the speedway corner at Napean mid 70's, this shot also taken from film footage.
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These four were taken from Ameroo Park 72 or 73?
Terry Pool Carl Askew
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Carl Askew No2. Trevor Hunter in background No.5 ?
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This one was taken from Nemingah Tamworth 1975. 96 Peter Laws, 375 ?, 1 Keith Davies.
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These two also from Nemingah Tamworth 96 Peter Laws
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I have to also throw in a couple of articles from Revs magazine back in the day Peter Laws takes event
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This image is of Colin Laws Kempsey NSW titles 1979
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These two also of Col at Napean 1978
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This last one is from Ameroo Park Year ? 26 Bill Macdonald, 40 John Langfield, 149 Doug Platts.
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I had to add a picture of my newly restored hagon stroker with 1974mx250A.
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Howdy , Do you have a closer picture of this YZ hagon your dad had you speak of ? cheers
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Wow , 412
What a lot of memorabilia in that post !!! Great stuff , mate, an your Hagon looks superb.
You have solved a problem for me as I didn't 100% know the identity of this rider, thought it was Peter but wasn't real sure.
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I think this was taken at a practice day at Nepean sometime in the ' 70s and at the time I was developing and printing me own B&W shots.
Thanks heaps
Foss
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I don't think I have many close ups of Petes Hagon yz, will check it out. These two shots are of Pete on the yz the motor was taken from. These are captured from film very hard to do.
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NICe one, its the real deal then, love to see the pictures, have a spare YZ motor here be nice to see wht it goes like in a slider .............
any pics would be helpful.
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Welcome aboard Col, love all the shots & clippings.
I'm pretty sire the #5 at Amaroo is Lenny Searle, TH is heading back onto the track in his baby shit brown leathers in one of them.
Are some these from the CD you told me about?
Good to see brother Carlos Upright.
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col
how did you go at nepean on the weekend i have a shot of your sons hagon yamaha from the prev owner at the jack hogg
jim
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What format film were the transfers from?16mm?
cheers pancho
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Mark, Slider29, posted a couple of shots of Gary OBrien in 1975 at Griffith, here's a shot of Gary nearly 20 years later at the inaugural Aussie Classic Dirt Track Championships held at West Wyalong in 1994.
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Foss
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Your uncle? Peter Laws was a great rider and often wondered what happened to him, he seemed to finish his riding a little early. Nice Hagon Yam (Peters Yz250a engined Hagon wasn't the first, I think mine was built a little earlier, but I could be wrong)
Great times Peter Lee 52
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Great stuff 412! Welcome to the forum. I rode against PL. a few times and only saw the backend of him. Great rider!
Fab. job on the 250 hagon, I'll have two thanks. Slides , .. a BIG thankyou for getting this thread going. It's great to be able to share these photos around, and meet old friends again after 30 odd years and have a yarn.
Top shot of G O'B at West Wyalong foss.
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pancho;
super 8 film not sure on the mm. I am currently trying to put together a short film with the footage.
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Here's a rider mentioned in one of the articles that Hagon 412 posted , Cowra's Tim Oliver at Cowra
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Talking to Barry Collyer today and he tells me Tim is in far north QLD, running his own tourist business, one thing I remember about Tim was, at a Short Circuit Demo at the Showground Speedway a few of us rode at, Tim turned up with a Jawa with a twin carb setup, Slides, can you throw any light on that ??
Foss
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Firstly,250hagon412, I hope I got the christian name right.
That Hagon looks bloody good, nearly too good to ride, but I hope you do.
Mark, the first thing I noticed when I started to get back into bikes was how Short Circuit and more to the point, the Slider era had withered out of sight.
I can't ride one anymore but I luv the bloody things.
The Classic Titles next month are right near the Brisbane airport Mark. if you can get there I'll pick you up???
Pete52, are you still making your way north? I'm jealous.
What year do you think that was Al, I remember they had several "Gymkhana's" at the Royal but I was only a pup.
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Speaking of Cowra, my memorry of both Cowra & Orange is that one or the other were held on the Easter Sunday or Monday.
I remember one year the infield was overgrown and Billy Mack came back in after practice with his left knuckles full of thistles, he rarely wore gloves.
I sent him a photo recently of him & dad in the pits at Bathurst and his reply was, and I quote.
That road racing must've been serious stuff, I had gloves on.
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Slides,
I dunno what year it was perzackly, but it would have been the mid ' 70s sometime, there were two that I remember, one I rode at and one that TD rode at, in that one they started the Dirt Trackers off in two rows of about six each, I remember Pummo was there, everyone was pumped to the max and you should have seen the first corner, bits of fibreglass every where, TD had tyre marks up his rear guard , he dropped it on pit turn, last lap, trying to round up Tim.
Foss
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My brother had my Dad's super 8 film put onto dvd . Cost a few hundred but it was worth every cent. We have about 1 1/2 hours of shortcircuit from the mid '60's to 1975 Mark
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Does anyone remember the Grasstrack demo they did at Oran Park, body's flying all over the place.
Reg Ando broke his collarbone at that one.
It was the same day as one of the MX events they held on the infield of the Road track.
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I've been trying to track down a photo of this bike for a while , finally found it and as far as I know it's the only photo of it in existence.
Story is, TD had clagged a motor in his Hagon Bully and we scouted around and found this motor in an old Short Circuit sidecar.
It's a semi unit 500 twin BSA, gearbox bolted to the crankcases, and it fitted in the Hagon quite easily, bloody thing was on methanol etc. etc. and went like a scalded cat.
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The photo was taken when I was test riding it before a teams race event at Nepean
Foss
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Check this catalogue out Foss! This is pre weslake '72 - '74 Ill post a couple of pages from the later one soon
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It brings a tear to the eye ay Foss? I won't put all the pages up but this is a good example of the contents. Notice the subframe on the early Goddens. Very Hagon. The later frames had a different subframe which raised the seat height.
The forks are different too. You blokes can have a little chat about it and i'll post some pics from the later catalogue later on . Enjoy :) Mark
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Bloody unreal, Slider.
Interesting to note that Don Godden designed the Hagon Sandracer !!!
I'll have to look out my old JAP Manual, it advises that the best way to stop engine wear caused by operating in dust and dirt is to get out in front and stay there !!
Foss
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From what I can remember, when the first team of Pom Grasstrackers came out inc, Don Godden, Julian Wigg, Chris Baybutt and Roland Duke, their bikes were slow to arrive.
Don rode like a novice on borrowed bikes until his Godden turned up, then he rode like his reputation predicted, to make his bike look the goods.
I'll admit that there is nothing more comfortable than your own bike.
Mr Buckett would remember those days better than me.
Steve
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Foss, I was wondering who would pick up on the Godden/Hagon connection. Have a good look at the forks too. mark.
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Great shot of you Al.
Dust at Nepean, are you sure?
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yeah, sorry Foss. meant to mention what a great shot of you and the bsa twin. What a MACHINE. !! love it
regards, mark
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Yeah , Slides
At the time Nepean were trying out some Yankee stuff called " Paxin " or something like that for dust suppression instead of oil, failed miserably.
And I almost forgot, I think it was when they first put the Speedway bend in .
Foss
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fugging farout foss ;D, :P
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Freaky, that second shot you posted is of my brother Carl, on the inside, team riding with Allan Grahame for Birmingham in 75?
Peter Craven in the last one.
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hehe you mean this carl ;) so your a little askew too then :P
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Bent & twisted but never out of line ;)
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Not a foto but I mention it here as is name and a few shots of his some of his creations have shown up in the last pages of this post. After a recent stroke Don Godden has passed away. Sorry, I have no more details.
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That's very sad to hear , Col
Foss
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That really is sad to hear.
A leader both on & off the track.
Freaky, that's a pencil sketch of Carl and he has the publication rights to that image.
Not that he'll be concerned, just a bit of trivia.
Are you staying at the track in Bris?
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R.I.P. Don Godden. One very talented man.
Mark.
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Guys,
Just checked the Pom Grasstrack forum and apparently Don Godden passed away on Saturday UK time.
He was a designer, constructor, engineer and above all , a rider par excellence, he will be sorely missed.
RIP Don
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We had a saying in the '70's . GOTTA GITTA GODDEN!!! Remember that one Foss?
mark
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Yep, Slider,
I remember and I did eventually get one, centreport frame an all, ex Steve Baghurst, it was the only thing that ever scared the crap outta me at Sapphire Speedway, you talk about drive !!!
Foss
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1967 NATIONAL GRASSTRACK CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL. Don Godden, Alf Hagon, Mick Webster and more.....
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That really is sad to hear.
A leader both on & off the track.
Freaky, that's a pencil sketch of Carl and he has the publication rights to that image.
Not that he'll be concerned, just a bit of trivia.
Are you staying at the track in Bris?
Me no i dont think so im flying up to ride, maybe stay with robin as im doing a sidecar ride with him.
Still looking for Solo rides so if you have any thing going, the ealier periodthe better id love to get another seat/ ride over the weekend ;)
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76 neil street conversion
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The bike has number 1 from the first 6hour at Nepean 196?, being the winning team from the 7hour in 62.
Billy Mack & Eric Debbo rode the bike at Nepean and they were several laps in front late in the race when the oil tank split.
Hey Freaky, some names would be good with those Speedway shots, most are from the old 2nd div in England, I'm pretty sure the guy doing the mid corner wheelie is Lanky Yank Dennis Sigalos, looks like the cameraman was relieved he missed him.
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Gunnedah 1987
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Chris Watson, Paul Caslick? & ?
Where? an early Raymond Terrace.
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Trevor Jordan at back there
1987 gunnadah oil track
more here
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Kempsey 1993. kevin curtain on 80
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Gunnedah 1987
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Chris Watson aka "the Sultan of Slide"
how many state and national titles does he have? if you count them all it must be 20+ surely.
i have seen him ride and the man is fast.......
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the mighty Goddern twin pack - GR 1000
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The B&W shot is at Amaroo Park.
Chris Pusey, TH, Geoff Curtis on Slider 29's Jap and BWP's Vic McTaggert.
Chris Watson pretty much restricts his riding these days to the Sand Races in NZ and FNQ.
And he's in a class of his own.
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Fantastic pictures Freakshow, thanks for your efforts.
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Fairbairn Park , Canberra and the battle for the 2005 Kings and Queens feature race between # 14 Rod " Rocket" McDonald and # 16 ,young Troy Herfoss, it was one of the best Dirtrack races I'd seen for a while, I was the Announcer at the meeting and got pretty wound up on the microphone.
Herfo won , passing Rocket going into the last lap, #3 I think ,is Nathan Porombka ? , I don't think Caso was at the meeting , but there was really only two riders in that race !!.
Thanks for all the photos, Freaky
Foss
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Hoony, I believe Chris Watson won over 100! state and national titles. the bloke is a living legend.Somewhere along the line he should be recognized for his achievments and contibutions to motorcycling. All Hail Sir Chris ;D ;D
mark
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hows the Dust.... track needs some oil me thinks. :P
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hows the Dust.... track needs some oil me thinks. :P
You're not wrong , Freaky
Time for a re-think, MA
Foss
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Chris Watson pretty much restricts his riding these days to the Sand Races in NZ and FNQ.
And he's in a class of his own.
indeed he is and smashing them.....
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Watson,Hunter,Poole
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Hoony, I believe Chris Watson won over 100! state and national titles. the bloke is a living legend.Somewhere along the line he should be recognized for his achievments and contibutions to motorcycling. All Hail Sir Chris ;D ;D
mark
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1991 Camron Park
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Rodney Mcdonald
West Wylong 1990
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NEWCASTLE SHOWGROUND 1993
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CANBERRA 1993
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Aussie title 2003
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think this is france
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Fantastic photos Freaky!!thanks. Love the ones of C.W. All class.
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are these in NZ ?.
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Looks like the Burt Monroe beach race
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Wow , some top shots there, Hoony and Freaky, great stuff,
The shots of " Rocket " Rod McDonald sent me searching for a copy of this photo, South Coast Cup final 2004, Sapphire Speedway, Bega, # 14 Rod McDonald, # 65 Tim Heffernan, the lads were never more than this far apart for 4 of the 5 laps.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/RocketandTim.jpg)
Going into turn one at the start of lap 5, the last,Tim pulled a podium or ambulance move around the outside of Rod and low-sided off the track , unhurt, Rocket took the checker and pulled up alongside Tim and got him on the back of his bike , took him back up the front straight, past the crowd who gave the pair a huge ovation, ya shoulda heard them, ya shoulda heard me on the mike, !!!
Foss
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Just got this photo from Trevor Harvey, photo copyright Ray Smith , Darwin and used with permission
Salty Creek, 1972, Australia v England Test match Parade lap
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#373 Stuart Mason, #297 Keith Davies, # 26 Bill McDonald, # 49 Kevin Fraser
# A Don Godden , # B Chris Baybutt, # C Julian Wigg, # D Roland Duke
Thanks Trev
Foss
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And Chris Baybutt broke his collarbone that day, what a great track that was and I spent most of my time down near the creek.
I still remember that day, 1st test I think and there was a real BUZZ.
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Does anyone have photos of Julian Wigg at the Nepean long track, I seem to remember him being able to go the whole lap with the throttle on the stop. And if my fading memory is correct he was the first to hang onto the front fork with his left hand (at Nepean).
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I may be wrong Steve but I'd be very surprised if Julian rode the longtrack at Nepean, Simon might have but I can't recall.
You have spent more time there than me though.
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Gordon Gausco at the Vineyards track, might be Bob Sharp's track?
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Jawa76
Have a picture here: Julian Wigg Leading John Langfield at Napean Test Match. (not long track)
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This one here also at Napean, think this maybe Simon Wigg Long Track?
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I dont know if this rates as a classic
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Can you guys pick the track ? the 5ways in the 70's would bring riders like Don Stafford up from Vic to do battle.
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It sure is a classic!
pancho.
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Amaroo Park?
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Close but no cigar, Steve.
I will give you a hint it was in Sydney's outer west.
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londonderry had alot of trees around it,only rode there once
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If it's not Londonderry, would it be Arcadia? 295 in the first shot is Kevin Wright, and I rode a few meetings there with him. It was Eastern Suburbs Motorcycle Club's home track, from memory. They used to run a lot of 5 ways there.
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Jim wins the cigar and yep thats Kev, I had some ding dong battles with him there. Londonderry was run by Blacktown MCC and had a strong short circuit following in both solos and sidecars. :)
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Only ever went there as a kid, my memmory of the place is of doubling one of Billy Macs daughters around the track after a meeting when her leg went down between the swing arm and wheel, breaking it.
Still makes me shudder thinking about it.
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st george mcc had 1 race meeting there i remember all the trees and also a go kart track as well.is that kev wight from st george if so he comes to our club days with th
jim
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Only ever went there as a kid, my memmory of the place is of doubling one of Billy Macs daughters around the track after a meeting when her leg went down between the swing arm and wheel, breaking it.
Still makes me shudder thinking about it.
You broke one of Billy Macs' daughters leg, Steve, and are still here to talk about it?st george mcc had 1 race meeting there i remember all the trees and also a go kart track as well.is that kev wight from st george if so he comes to our club days with th
jim
Same Kev Wright, Jim. He was a hard charger in his day. Wollongong MCC had a heap of club days with Blacktown there. It was a great little track, but is now houses :-[
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I ended up riding at the wintersun classic speedway on the weekend at the home of 'leigh adams speedway", MIldura.
Far out that was a time warp........ i havent seen those overhead green large can lights on wires since the 1950 had them on dog tracks and bowling greens. Bit that worried me though was the Jarrah sleepers that was the outside track fence..... that would hurt..... hard
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Gee Freaky, you were going so fast even the camera couldn't catch ya.
Yeah Pete I lived to tell the tale.
The oldies were all sitting on the spectator mound having there usual cuppa, ( piss up ), after the meeting while I was cruising around the track on my A100 Suzy, actually I had both of Billy's daughters on the back, when I looked over to see Marg Mac running towards us waving her arms around for me to stop, both girls were laughing and screaming the whole time and I hadn't realised what had happened.
As I said, I still feel crook at the memmory, it didn't look good.
Anyway I reminded them about it at the BWP reunion and they laughed, so I guess that means I'm off the hook, 40 years later.
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Gee Freaky, you were going so fast even the camera couldn't catch ya.
OKay easily fixed.
Im on the jawa - black and yellow stipe pants gating in 3, made the final and came 2nd ( more arse than class but have the sash to prove it ;) ) and also swinging on the blue sidecar 151.
ill keep looking but all the pics i have seen are blurred, again i think it was the camera person and maybe not the speeds involved ...... :-X
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Freaky Freaky Freaky, you've got to stop being lazy and get your arse off the seat.
Mind you, you're doing better than I'd be capable of these days, well done on the 2nd placing.
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Well done Freaky! It's a bit hard to get ya bum off the seat when you're not a short arse. I,m over 6 ft.
Question for The Fossilater, whats Don Stafford riding and what are 5 ways? I know Don was an agent for Elstar frames and rode JAPS but thats not a JAP in the pic.
mark
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Great stuff, Freaky, good onya, riding solo an backin' up as a swinger on an outfit !! way to go!
Mark ,
I was wondering what engine Don Stafford had in that photo, kinda looks like a Cole, although he was experimenting with a four valve of some kind about that time, 5 ways are club level meetings restricted to members of the 5 clubs named on the MNSW permit application,
Oh yeah , Pete
If ya have a look at post 266 on this thread , Kevin Wright is there with the St. George mob, still reckon he was too young to have a licence !!, you are right ,he was a hard charger .
Foss
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Great stuff, Freaky, good onya, riding solo an backin' up as a swinger on an outfit !! way to go!
Mark ,
I was wondering what engine Don Stafford had in that photo, kinda looks like a Cole, although he was experimenting with a four valve of some kind about that time, 5 ways are club level meetings restricted to members of the 5 clubs named on the MNSW permit application,
Oh yeah , Pete
If ya have a look at post 266 on this thread , Kevin Wright is there with the St. George mob, still reckon he was too young to have a licence !!, you are right ,he was a hard charger .
Foss
Al, I'm pretty sure that was a Cole that Don was riding (poor bugger, although I'd still like to have mine now). I've forwarded the link to Kev Wright - been trying to talk him into getting a bike and having a ride, but he doesn't seem too keen. I'll keep working on him,
Pete.
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Hey Pete
I just saved that pic of Don and when you blow it up, and have a look at the engine, it's a Cole allright but there doesn't appear to be a magneto drive, what the ???
Foss
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Just for comparison, here's a pic of the timing side of me Cole skids bike
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Foss
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Im on the jawa - black and yellow stipe pants gating in 3, made the final and came 2nd ( more arse than class but have the sash to prove it ;) ) and also swinging on the blue sidecar 151.
ill keep looking but all the pics i have seen are blurred, again i think it was the camera person and maybe not the speeds involved ...... :-X
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What did you think of Olympic Park Mildura Freaky? i never did have a run at that track, it was too far from Melb' for me and could not afford the time off work. one day i will go for a look see, i was up there on Hols a few years back for 2 weeks and would you belive i missed a meeting a few days each side of my time there.
How did the 2 V Jawa go ? its looks tiny under you mate.
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Hey Pete
I just saved that pic of Don and when you blow it up, and have a look at the engine, it's a Cole allright but there doesn't appear to be a magneto drive, what the ???
Foss
Hey Al,
It probably had total loss coil ignition on it. They used to run a Honda 90 bacing plate and cover on the back side of the timing case. It fitted real well and was tucked out of the way. Pretty hard to beat a good mag when they're working properly though.
Pete.
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Interesting shot Foss, there wouldn't be many Staride/Rotrax Coles out there.
I bet you wish you still had it?
Go you Blue Boy's.
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Freaky Freaky Freaky, you've got to stop being lazy and get your arse off the seat.
Mind you, you're doing better than I'd be capable of these days, well done on the 2nd placing.
at 6ft 2 i would struggle to stand up ( look at the angle of my leg) as it is i have to ride on my right quad at such a step angle on my knee its hard work. Im thinking making up a higher solo seat, but it still has the original banana seat and i reckon it looks too cool to change.....
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besides that im really a hack. Any one with a half a clue and maintain there bikes would have a chance against me.
With the side car in Evolution, we won the first heat, second in 2 and in the 3rd started loosing the gearlever andit locked into nuetral and the guy parked it, pity we would have made the final no probs and i reckon a poduim for sure we was on fire, ok he was i just moved around behind him trying to see where we were going ;D
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It certainly wasn't a critisism Kerry, just a standard Speedway observation.
I'll fill you in in Bris.
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Hoony as i said real small pits, scrapy set up out of the 50's, Jarrah sleepers for the fence, all prity average. BUT ........ great track, great people, nice spot. Longer straights than im used to and a little more slippery, they loved to water and it held it.
But yer if it wasnt 4.5 hours each way id go more often :O) too.
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Getting back to the Londonderry 5 ways, I rode there a few times, the one I remember best was last lap, leading the Senior 'b' last corner, coming onto the straight on my ex Debbo Beeza, looking over my shoulder to see how I was going then skidding down the track on my bum! That track was the hardest ground I ever sat on! Only a short track but fun.
cheers pancho.
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if there was a speedway dynasty the colllins family would have to be up there, les, phil, steve and younger brother neil all riding at the top level.
LEs - here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfdLzCMeOIo&feature=player_embedded
nice little old school 80's race package that one ;)
Phil - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE9GBoR1uAw&feature=player_embedded
neil - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_zlE-i8Hw&feature=player_embedded
even thown in Crump and rusty for some aussie flavouring :P
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talkin about Cole
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And he's one for you old gezzas 1969 - recognise this wall ?
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And he's one for you old gezzas 1969 - recognise this wall ?
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H'mm
Jim McMillan and Ken McKinlay far left , I think , definately Eric Boocock on bike , Howard Cole behind him , rhs , anyone else for the rest ??
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Taken 69' in Aust.
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Re Reply 568--definitely Ken McKinlay, he rode at Claremont [WA] a lot
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Re reply 564--one of my relies has Boulger's old long tracker.
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Thanks, Super
I was about 90% sure it was Ken
Foss
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I think the guy in the centre at the back is Ray Wilson?
The 2 on the far left, I have no idea.
I've just had a bit of a search, Def - Ray Wilson, the blonde dude could be John Davis?
And the little fella on the end, John Louis??
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Geez, Freaksta
Dredging the old memory bank a bit , some names I'd all but forgotten in those pix, Sandor Levai for one and didn't Bruce Cribb, a Kiwi I think, have a crack at Ice Speedway at some time ? , If me memory's right he used to be a regular at it.
Orright, where's the wall Freaky ??
Yeah, Slides , I think you are pretty right about it being Ray Wilson
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Spot on Foss, Bruce Cribb is a Kiwi and did ride a fair bit of Ice Speedway late in his Career.
His first contact with brother Carlos was on track and by all accounts he wanted to tear Carl's head off.
Isn't that surprising, they did become good friends, to the point that Carl thought of having a go on the ice for a while.
Now that would've been interesting, The Spear on Spikes, OUCH.
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Now that would've been interesting, The Spear on Spikes, OUCH.
Doesn't even bear thinking about !!!
Foss
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No one would like a perforated left thigh.
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The old Syd Sports Ground.
Publicity shot, they don't set em up like this anymore.
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England team - SYDNEY SHOWGROUNDS
Jimmie McMillan, Ken McKinley, Ray Wilson, Howard cole, Tony Clarke, Arnie Haley,
On bike: Eric Boocock
Howard Cole : I was more a smaller track person, but did enjoy watching there on a 'social' Saturday night, and not just the bikes either. I used to knock around with Jack Porritt and Bruce Doolan a bit, as well as with Bob Tattersall when he was around (first go to know him during my spell in Auckland in 67/68).
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Hey Freaksta
Who is on the outside of Howard in the B/W shot under the Pommy team shot ??, looks like Booey but wrong flag on jacket.
wuz gunna say the wall at the Syd. Showground , but it woulda been a guess.
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what post number was that Foss ?
this is getting to be a loooong thread.... :D
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Post # 565, Freaksta
It sorta looks like Booey's style
If I was a bit closer , I'd offer to do a new cover for your banana seat on ya skids bike.
Foss
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this is getting to be a loooong thread.... :D
Ya really started something , didn't ya Slides ??
Foss
All the best for Brissy, mate
Foss
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Foss, if you're talking about the one where Howard's in the Kings Lyn breast plate & white jersey?
I think it's Jim Airey on the outside, maybe at Liverpool before they made it Bitumen.
Couldn't let the MX boys steal the show completely Foss.
After all, Short Circuit is pretty much where it all began, inc - Scrambles & even Road Racing.
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Post # 565, Freaksta
It sorta looks like Booey's style
If I was a bit closer , I'd offer to do a new cover for your banana seat on ya skids bike.
Foss
i can post anywhere ! 3kg bags next day are ojnly $10 !!! bargin i reckon !
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I've got one as well Foss, I'd like to get mine as close to original colours as possible.
He lives in the stick's Freaky but if you can bring it to Bris I'll give them both to him at Nepean in another month or so.
Send it through the Scanner at the Airport, that'll test em.
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Post # 565, Freaksta
It sorta looks like Booey's style
JIm airey
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Internationals V New Zealand in Auckland not sure of year but 70's
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not correct order but some names Colin McKee, Howard Cole, Jim Airey, Bob Andrews,Ole Olsen, Bryce Subritzky, Alan Clarke, Sandor Levi, Dave Gifford, Tom Sweetman, Jack Millen
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Gary middleton on the outside, cole on the inside, liverpool/sydney again looking at the fence
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lost to the British Lions? Liverpool, Sydney 19th Jan 1970.
England 63
Jim McMillan 16, Arnold Haley 14, N Boocock 12, Ray Wilson 8, Tony Clarke 5, Eric Boocock 4, Roy Trigg 3, Ken McKinlay 1.
A.C McGrath Monarchs ...45
Jim Airey 11, John Langfield 11, Bill Landels 9, *Garry Middleton 5, *Ted Lindskog 4, Bert Harkins 4, Greg Kentwell 1, howard cole 0
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Thats Bert Harkins on the bike in the last photo. I've been hangin' out for a pic of him!
He was my fav. rider at Brooklyn Speedway Melbourne when i was a kid. I had a jacket with his name sewn on to it along with some of his badges!
I was able to go into the pits and talk to the riders (it's who you know)and Bert was always good for a chat. Could'nt understand him but that made it better! :D
He was a Scotsman. p.s. this thread is only going to get longer 'cause i've got heaps more photos to come :) :) p.p.s. best of to all those going to the dirt track champs. stay safe cheers mark
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Mark 29, I reckon next years title program has your name in it.
Last action shot is Langy, Bill Landells & H Cole.
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I remember when Haggis got his kilt caught in the back wheel at Liverpool on the parade lap !! flipped the bike !! By the way that's a very young Ole Olsen in Auckland shot , Freaky,
Saw Ove Fundin at Liverpool in 1970, never forgotten it !!
where have all the years gone, PHAARK !!
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i pitted for garry middleton at that meeting it was great at liverpool.meet all the riders couldent understand a word the checz said.
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i pitted for garry middleton at that meeting it was great at liverpool.
is that why he only got 5 points ;D
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Thats Bert Harkins on the bike in the last photo. I've been hangin' out for a pic of him!
Then Start smilling big guy, this is for you !
1973 - have a look at that rear spocket.
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Edinburgh Monarchs. 1965.
Bill Landels. Doug Templeton. Wayne Briggs. Colin McKee. Henry Harrfeldt. Bert Harkins. George Hunter.
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SCOTLAND;- Standing;- Jim McMillan, Charlie Monk (had a Scottish grandfather!!), Brian Collins, Andy Meldrum, Jimmy Gallagher. Kneeling;- Bobby Beaton, George Hunter, Bert Harkins
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Great Britain team vs Australia. Bert Harkins, Jim McMillan, George Hunter, Malcolm Simmons, Chris Pusey, & Tony Lomas with Nigel Boocock (Captain) on bike.
Three Scots in the Great Britain team
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with ya mate ole in the background foss
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hes got a bit of a michael caine thing going for him...
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Then Start smilling big guy, this is for you !
1973 - have a look at that rear spocket.
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Must have Just done a Costa Mesa USA meeting by the looks of it ;D is that a Weslake conversion for a 2V jawa?
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It's just a plain old 2 Valver Hoony, the lighting does make the Rocker Cover look a bit different.
I agree, more than likely Costa Mesa, the Yanks loved the small track but Costa Mesa was ridiculous.
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Thanks Freaky. Great photos of Bert "the haggis" Harkins. What a dude. Sure did put a smile on my face. Wonder what ever happened to him?
cheers, Mark.
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Hes still in the speedway scene, married and living in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire
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Hey , Slider
Mark, if you have a look at this link, http://www.vintagespeedway.com/Davis2.html you will find some shots of Bert, including one wearing the kilt responsible for the incident at Liverpool that I spoke of.
BTW, he has or had a website, www.bertharkinsracing.co.uk , but apparently his business has been taken over by Ascerbis.
Foss
PS
I forgot to say earlier, Langy is in touch with Bert regularly.
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Not sure its a real kilt, it looks like a nana rug, as its got the tassle on it, you know the picnic rugs ya mum used to take and spread out. and he put a belt around it. Reckon thjats where he went wrong the tassle got all wrap in the tyre.
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Hey Foss, It's lucky only Bert's kilt got stuck in the back wheel and not his HAGGIS. :D
He sure was a showman. thanks again Freaky, regards Mark
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Just got off the phone from an old mate of mine, a Dirt Track sidecar guru, who has been following this thread for some time.
He did mention the lack of outfit photos on here, so this is one of the few shots I have with sidecars in it, so here ya go, Banksy, best I could do fer now !
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Parade lap at Canberra Longtrack circa '94, #9 Springer, in the background and #41 Cec Platt in front, and I've always thought the #34 outfit looked a bit unusual, now I know why , it's got hub centre steering.
Foss
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Ces looks a bit "bad ass" there, straight out of a spaghetti western!
cheers.
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recently Seen Johnny Bulger, hes in Adelaide, driving taxi's !
NOt old but a great picture .......
...... dont need to use much of the race track in the first bend! ;D ;D
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Nicki Pedersen, (10), Chris Holder, (8), and the winner, Greg Hancock, (5),
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Found this vid on the Old and Rooted MCC website, from 1959, more than a bit corny, 10 minutes or so long, but stick with it , towards the end there is some short footage of early scrambles and what appears to be short circuit, ya gotta remember that push starts were the norm in 1959,
a roadracing BSA single, and an early hillclimber, I reckon the film was sponsored by the BSA distributor of the day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCy7sHBM_L0
Oh yeah , I rode Triumphs back in the day, had the first '59 T120 in Sutho.
Foss
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Just got off the phone from an old mate of mine, a Dirt Track sidecar guru, who has been following this thread for some time.
He did mention the lack of outfit photos on here
Foss
Real easy way to fix that, get off the phone Banksy, ;) stop watching the thread and start posting in it ........ :D :D
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Thats Bert Harkins on the bike in the last photo. I've been hangin' out for a pic of him!
Then Start smilling big guy, this is for you !
1973 - have a look at that rear spocket.
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Edinburgh Monarchs. 1965.
Bill Landels. Doug Templeton. Wayne Briggs. Colin McKee. Henry Harrfeldt. Bert Harkins. George Hunter.
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SCOTLAND;- Standing;- Jim McMillan, Charlie Monk (had a Scottish grandfather!!), Brian Collins, Andy Meldrum, Jimmy Gallagher. Kneeling;- Bobby Beaton, George Hunter, Bert Harkins
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Great Britain team vs Australia. Bert Harkins, Jim McMillan, George Hunter, Malcolm Simmons, Chris Pusey, & Tony Lomas with Nigel Boocock (Captain) on bike.
Three Scots in the Great Britain team
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with ya mate ole in the background foss
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hes got a bit of a michael caine thing going for him...
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nigel boococklives in the redlands i run into him from time to time bit of a bugger to understand
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Ask him if he has a spare PAl magneto for freakster !
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freaky
i had 1 off nigels streety motors. it had a manx norton magy on it. he replaced all the magys on his race motors.you and i couldnt afford a manx magy
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OZ Titles, St Kilda SA, 1970
Carlos harrassing Fraze, Carl was a 17yo C grader.
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Salty Creek 1971, Carl with as KD calls him, Mr smooth Greg Primmer.
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Nepean right hander 1971, Pooley behind Billy and no4 John Kessing.
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Looks like Kevin Patton must have felt something, very unlike Carl.
Amaroo Park, the same meeting as the 2 shots early on in this topic with Ian Burkett 37, I gather this is where he lost the footrest & brake pedal off my Elstar.
Lucky Kesso was awake.
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I'm on a roll now.
Nepean 1st turn 1971.
Billy, Carl, Ron Lea, TH, Fraze and Reg Ando.
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Hey slides, how come in post #611 Fraz looks more like Les Burdus? I know the No49 was Fraz ...BUT??
cheers pancho.
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Definitely Kevin Frazer there Wally, no49.
I'll admit it does look a bit like Les.
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some totally useless trivia.......post 611.. that ESO of Frazer's was bought off Robert "Spud" Townsend.....started life in a TQ driven by Bruce Gooden..both of Wyalong MSC.....don't thank me, my mind is full of trivial sh*t.....................Grumpy ;D
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Don't apologise Grumpy, it's trivia like that that help's fill in the blanks for the rest of us.
What a shame so many bikes with history were broken up.
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85 is Warren Willis I think?
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Salty 71, 838 Terry Morris from Orange.
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Speaking on another thread about Seymour, who are these 3? as a 13yo I fell in love with the one in the middle.
Hint, Check out the belt buckle.
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Great photos Slides #85 in post 621 is Warren Willing i think?? Mark
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What motors are they ? those cases dont look like 2 vavles they seem to have fins on the bottom. Som one fill me in ?
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In one word Freaky, JAP's.
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Carlos & Dougie Platts, teams racing, Nepean 71/2?
I'm done, over to you Mr Burkett., we've been carrying you for way too long.
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Great photos Slides #85 in post 621 is Warren Willing i think?? Mark
sure does look like warren,(pre long hair too), :P
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C'mon Ian, back me up here, Willis v Willing.
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Unreal shots , Slides, what a blast, where did you find them ??
Great stuff
Foss
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Brother Carl had them stashed away, there's more to come apparently.
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Ok , Slides
Post 623 , that's KD on the left an that's gotta be GC on the right ?, now, the trophy girl, # 2 on the buckle, soooo, gotta be something to do with Carlos, right ? girlfriend maybe ??
Foss
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C'mon Ian, back me up here, Willis v Willing.
85 is Warren Willis. Warren Willing never rode short circuit, but coincidentally, his road race number was 85. Warren Willis was a hard charger on an MX bike, when not too many rode them in the top ranks.
Great photos Steve, thanks very much. I'll have to get on to Fraz and see if he's got any lying around.
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Thanks Pete, Kevin told me on Sat night that he has a shipload of photo's.
Put the acid on him for sure.
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Here ya go Freaky, the Holy Grail of dirt track engines.
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The complete package.
This is what most of the guy's in those shots are riding.
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the above bike is at least pre 70 may be even pre 65.jap speedway 5 studs are pre 60
jim
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Have a squiz at posts 468 to 474 on this forum Freaky.
regards Mark
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WHAT SIZE IS THAT FRONT TYRE ? LOOKS LIKE A 18 OR 19 ?
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Hey Freaky
The front wheel on the early Hagon Grasstracker pictured is a 21", as Jim says, that bike is a pre '65 , it has a Long Five JAP engine , Track Racing Amal carb , a Royal Enfield gearbox and what looks like a BSA rear wheel.
Herb Jeffersons Hagon Jawa Grasstracker had a 21" front and so did Alf Hagon's own bike, as did Ray Owens BITD.
The later Hagon Grasstackers, from the very late '60s, early "70s had 23" front wheels , as did the Hagon Sandracers.
The 21" fronts always look weird to me.
Foss
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Looking back through those photos, KD & Greg Primmer are using 21's.
I knew that was an early Grasstracker but that's all I could find on Google images.
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Squeekys' local built slider ESO had a 21" front and 19" rear. This is a reason I have problems with hard and fast rulings in the M.O.M.s re wheel sizes and some other specs when classifying what constitutes pre '70 or pre '75 in slider class.
cheers pancho.
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Ok guys fill me in on JAP's. how many models from the 50's upwards. i know F all about jap's. 5 stud, speedway JAP, what others are there? i could google this but it's better to get the info from the Guys that rode them.
i do think the V twin JAP is a thing of beauty.
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They ruled the roost for a long time Hoony.
I only ever rode one once, Foss & Jim would be the experts on here and there were quite a few models in that time span.
I've actually still got one stashed away, in pieces, one day.
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Bloody hell , Hoony, where do I start ??
OK ,
J. A Prestwich was a proprietry engine manufacturer from southern UK, the company made everything from small two stroke lawnmower engines up to the thundering 1100cc V twins.
From the 1950s the 350cc Grasstrack engines , the 500cc Grasstrack and Speedway engines and the KTOR, or more commonly known as the 880, 1000cc V twins were the best known.
The Long Five , long conrod ,five stud 500cc was the most common in the 50s followed by the Short Four, short rod, four stud 500cc, it in turn was followed by the 4B engine in the very late 60s, it is the most common engine in Aussie Dirt track in the 70s, it had a longer overlap, higher lift camwheel and a more modern carby plus a better ign. system
In the early 70s, JAP brought out the 84S, a new engine with a shorter stroke 90mm by 84mm bore, as against the 4B's 99mm stroke by 80mm bore, hence the name, 84S, it was followed by the 84C , a four valve, dohc jobbie.
One of the tricks was to fit an 84S piston to a 4B, making it 540cc or there abouts, the bloody things would pull your arms off !!
The last JAP engine to win a World Speedway was a 4B fitted to a ESO frame ridden by Ove Fundin in the 60s and the last Longtrack title by a JAP was an 84S ridden by Egon Muller in the early 70s.
Bro Jim rode an 84S in a BSA frame in classic road racing, used to hose Manxes off, they weren't happy !!
Foss
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I told ya Hoony.
It's an education for me as well.
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Hey, Dutch ,
You would be more knowledgeable than me and I am trusting to memory here , any comments ??
Cheers
Foss
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Thanks Foss & Slidez, i love reading this history stuff. speedway would have to be the most documented early motorcycle sport i reckon.
Foss, do you reckon there was lots of jap 4B "Big uns" in speedway back then ;)
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Foss, do you reckon there was lots of jap 4B "Big uns" in speedway back then ;)
Shit , yeah, Hoony, for the Unlimited class in Dirt Track only , you understand !!
But the only time I was accused of riding a Biggun, I was on a bog standard 4B , mind you I was on ten percent nitro !!!
Foss
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hoony
when i first took my bsa jap to amaroo race way i was told that i couldnt ride it in the 500 cc because they thought it was a 250 cc.they never seen a 84s before.it was fast past manx nortons up the hill but they would get past me every were else
jim
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Glad you mentioned Nitro Foss, most of the top guy's were on it at some stage, Billy reckons he still has all the mixing gear, he just never got around to using it of course. ;D
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Here's the cover and a couple of pages from a JAP manual , it gives the date of the introduction of the 4B engine and the manual was passed on to me by St. George rider of the '70s, # 515 , Alan Hill.
Alan bought his Hagon Sandracer fitted with a 4B JAP from Paul Spooner on Saturday, 13th July 1968 as noted in the book.
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The Cam timing given is for the standard 4 stud, later in the book it gives the timing for the Special Camwheel for the 4B as,
80, 50, 60, 80,
Oh yeah, Nitro , Slides we used polypropelene oxide as well, used to call it POP
Foss
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STEVE
i have a contact to still buy that stuff gets it in ltr bottles.wonder what the elsinore would go like on 5%
jim
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IS IT LIKE TOULENE ? octane boosting or do you have to regett to new volumes ?
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Get some Jim and we'll experiment, on your bikes.
Apparently you have to reduce the compresion because it produces oxygen in the Cyl, thats courtesy of TH, don't know how he'd know, bigg'n & Nitro = Rocketship, no wonder he got great starts.
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there is a lot more of that in the 70s.some street motors were specials as well.
i think 10% in the dr will be great.i am not starting it you can
jim
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Hey Freaky
Yeah , major re-jetting for nitro, depending on percentage, not quite so major for polypropelene, we used to call Nitro liquid supercharging. was banned in early '70s , I think.
Slides , you are right , used to drop compession down, for nitro and also alter timing, JAPs had shims under barrel as standard to alter compression , check out my Bendigo Longtrack yarn that shows what can happen if you don't.
Foss
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Reminds me of waiting at the grid for my heat to follow the line-up in front of us, at Nepean late, '60s parked behind an un named "A" grader . I was having difficulty getting my breath.
I was telling mates back in the pits about it and someone said "thats because you were behind ********* ,he's loaded up with nitro"
cheers pancho.
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Dont they still use it in model cars ? you can buy it over the counter here if its the same stuff. Assume you cant mix with premix unless its that crazy oil stuff they use in the model boats. Could be a fun experiment to see if it actual makes any differance today.
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Spot on there , Freaky
I got my last lot from a model plane and car shop, for me 2T model plane motor, you can get premix with Methanol , Shell M or Castor plus whatever percentage of Nitro ya want or ya can get a bottle of nitro on its own.
Foss
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don't drop it
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This is what most were riding in the recent shots.
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Pit shot from Heddon Greta, 196?
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That Ladies and Gentlemen is probably the best picture on here i.m.o.
Two great champions and a pretty girl. I was privileged to be there .
Thanks so much for posting it Steve. Regards Mark
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Carl rode at that meeting and bought his Girlfriend with us.
Di Louis is here name and I was a dowe eyed 13yo.
Great shot of GC looking so fit, well and happy, it was just a matter of months and the Showground claimed him.
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and the only diference now is your way way older
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do we have a pit crew for nepean should have 3 bikes.beter get that dr going the staracer is ready to go
jim
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Hey Slider,
Mark , I totally agree with your last post, lovely shot !!
OK , the three most popular makes of Slider frames in the '70s were , Hagon , Godden , and Elstar, in that order in my opinion, we've seen the grouse Godden catalogue from Slider and a beaut shot of a Hagon Sandracer from Slides, so here's my two bobs worth.
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This is my Elstar just after re-building it and fitting an 84S engine, check the clearance between carb and maggy.
The Elstar , IMO, was the best handling frame for me, shorter wheelbase and a bit stiffer , the seat tube went down to the bottom of the engine plates , unlike a Sandracer.
Foss
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I don't know about you Jim but I can look after myself thanks, Tom will be with me though.
Foss, Foss, Foss, why did you let it go?
Just like the rest of us, I bet you're kicking yourself about the one that got away.
I'm ready Jim, should we put a bottle of Scotch on it?
Hang on, TH will turn up.
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dont mention scotch th will be there for sure giving both of us the order.
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After posting the pic of me Elstar, which was my last serious racebike , I went looking for this pic, a year or so after the shot of the Elstar was taken, EA's, the kids and my world went up in flames, literally.
In the early '80s, my 10 year old son, Brian, acquired a KX 80 and asked could he go over to Fairbairn Park dirt track and have a run, took him over there once and the Dirt Track bug hit me again.
Didn't have a bike but Bro Jim had given me the remains of his single cylinder class road racer, pulled the YZ 400 motor out and looked around for a frame, found a DT 250 frame and a few other Yam bits and pieces, wedged it all together and this is the result on its wheels for the first time.
Tidied it up a bit , fitted a boat tail seat assembly and took it over to Canberra , It went like a cut cat and I fright myself and a few others many times !!
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Tony Day's Tenere inthe background
Foss
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allan
you know the frame was a gen tr2 yamaha racing frame.ahh the things we discard.like my 2 cottons !!!!!!!! and that special streety motor wish i still had that it would sit nice in the long track roller
thats history
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not a bad looking pipe on the yammie Foss, :P
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In the early/mid 80's when dad and his brothers had the Bendigo Showgrounds there was an 'A' grader who would idle his bike around to the start when every one else would practise their starts on the way round. He seemed to be able to pull more gearing yet would holeshot. Had me stumped at the time. A few years later yarning over a few beers he fesses up. A sponge above the the throttle slide soaked in nitro mix. First time it is screwed open "yepee",a later fuel check says all legit. go figure.
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AAAAH, TC
The dreaded sponge in the carby slide spring soaked in Nitro trick, it was more widespread than everyone thought, no-one talked about it too much !!
Foss
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Foss, Foss, Foss, why did you let it go?
Just like the rest of us, I bet you're kicking yourself about the one that got away.
All of those 500 JAPs and ESO's/sliders must be out there somewhere and i'm looking for one . Cheers Mark
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what am i doing wrong fellas? the quote and my comment are in the same box
Mark
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Foss, Foss, Foss, why did you let it go?
Just like the rest of us, I bet you're kicking yourself about the one that got away.
All of those 500 JAPs and ESO's/sliders must be out there somewhere and i'm looking for one . Cheers Mark
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Open it up with modify message, and you can See you have only one [/quote] at the end to close it all off, i suspect you deleted the top one when you started typing. easy just put any anothers in where you want it
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Aye boy's, we actually recieved a rapp today from a fellow forum member, oldschool.
In light of the " Shitfight " that has become the Carbon Tax debate, we're helping keep other forum members interested in the forum by talking about old dirt bikes.
Here here.
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Yep, Slides saw that comment a couple of days ago, fair comment too !!
OK , Quiz Time
The following shot is of Alan Hill and I don't know what bike he's on, all I know is he borrowed it for the meeting or what track it is !!
I think it's Londonderry or Arcadia, maybe you can help there, Pancho
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Alan's normal ride was a Hagon JAP , sorta sticks out due to his riding style, how-ever he went over to the dark side for his 250 ride and bought a Maico which promptly crapped it-self bigtime so Hilly fitted a 6 speed, 250 twin Suzy Hustler motor , didn't that thing go !!
Foss
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http://thefastanddirty.com/flat-track-racing/motorcycle/racing-history/
Check this footage out, 1919.
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what am i doing wrong fellas? the quote and my comment are in the same box
Mark
Also helps if you place your cursor at the end of the quote, click it, then hit Enter three times, to drop your reply down the page : this seems to get you out of the box...
PS : this would be a world first, ME giving computer advice to ANYBODY... ::)
Really enjoying the classic dirt track pics, guys, go your hardest... :D
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thanks GD and Freako, ... theres more pics to come
regards Mark
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thanks GD and Freako, ... theres more pics to come
regards Mark
howzat?
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RE 678 post Not rough and stoney enough for Arcadia, does look a bit like Londonderry to me
cheers pancho
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thanks GD and Freako, ... theres more pics to come
regards Mark
howzat?
Bewdy !! :D
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RE 678 post Not rough and stoney enough for Arcadia, does look a bit like Londonderry to me
cheers pancho
Thanks , Pancho, there is another track it could have been, Vineyards.
Foss
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I would say Londonderry, funnily enough we only went there a few times and I have no recolection at all of going to Arcadia or Vinyards.
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I think it's Londonderry or Arcadia, maybe you can help there, Pancho
Foss
Hey Al, I reckon that's Londonderry for sure, going through the left-hander at the top after the right-hander on the main straight. The pits and spectator area were up on a mound just like that - Arcadia was just flat from memory. Great shot, thanks,
Pete.
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Yeah, guy's
It's Londonderry, I just mentioned Vineyards cos there was another track but at the time I couldn't think of it's name, Old Timers Disease or something.
Thanks
Foss
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Had my first ride at Vineyards, '57. Definitely not Vineyards, 'cause you can see were the track is! :oNo dust!
cheers pancho
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just thought i would post this it is eddie mulder in the usa on a 1969 montessa gp5 (just like the one i am getting)
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Hey Jim, is that 2nd lever on the left for the front brake?
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Hey Jim, is that 2nd lever on the left for the front brake?
decomp lever slidey,(noisy air brake ;)), :P
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steve
micks right as always mine has that too
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here is aother great rider that rode a 1969 gp5 as well
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i on the other hand not that greater rider but had a 1968 gp250 in the early 70s
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short tail on the pipe.
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Jack young
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Hey Ya Freakazoid, where did you find those shots of the early leg trailer pioneers? any info on who and what they were riding?
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Aub lawson in one,
#698 van pragg in the small piccy
I got some more Jack young's ill post when i get a chance.
im trying to get up some of the SA or Aussie guys, to get these pic back into circulation out there.
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i just got Ivan Maugers book in the post.
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NOtice ont he NSW bib bike Hooney he is running the early 2 part bars... eeekk id be freeking out one would turn around on me :o :o :o
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i thought you liked "Freaking out " :D
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That's Jim Airey Freaky and just like the road racing bars they're called clip on's.
I have a pair that were used by Geoff Curtis around the same time.
Where is the group shot taken, I recognize a few heads, Airey, Olsen, Titman, Boulger, Landels and the blond dude is Merv Janke I think.
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It's interesting to me to see where different riders and different horsepower plus different traction all make a difference to where the left foot [or right foot] is positioned. Obviously higher or lower CofG has a big effect as well.
The difference for inst. foot trailing, and the modern bike more upright brings the foot tucked in behind the front wheel.
A new thing [to me] I saw on the KofN last weekend, one of the very fast slider riders coming out of the speedway bend with his left foot up on the peg and his right foot up near the front axle. I guess it helped to minimise the front wheel drifting, the surface was pretty slippery at the time.
cheers pancho.
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Hey , Slides
Isn't that Gordon Guasco with JA and the clip ons ?? and I got as far as you except Merv Janke with the Craven A group shot, That would have to be an OZ title wouldnt it ? Liverpool maybe??
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Just had another look at the Craven filter shot, isnt that GG far right ?? he's tall enough and third from left, kneeling, Barry van Praag maybe ?
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Yeah Foss, that's Horse on the far right, looks like Niel Street far left and maybe Steve Rienke behind Bill Landels.
Don't think it's Liverpool.
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chum taylor second from right front
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Yeah, Slides
Top of the fence doesn't look right for Liverpool , do you know where and when that shot is Freaksta ???, bloody great shots all of them,thanks for posting em.
Foss
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Just found this shot, in his book, of Briggo at San Jose on a 650 Yammie in the mid '70s
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Foss
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bob sharpe
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Aub Lawson, Ken McKinley & Chum Taylor
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Rowley Park. English rider Gerry Hussey who lost his life in March 1959 driving a TQ just before he was due to fly home (L) and our local world champion Jack Young (R) - freind of mine in SA owns jack youngs 2 valve
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Jack young
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Vic Duggan
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Jack chignell
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Some leg trailers for hoony
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This Leg Trailer is from Wayvile Showgrouds Adelaide South Australia about 1928/29
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And boy Waville could be rough !
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SA's old tracks
Wayville showgrounds, originally the 'Speedway royale started inthe 1920, still here today as our showgrounds and every now and then a promoter gets permit for an event. we had the sidecar gold cup a few years back. But being in the city centre the noise police put too many conditions on it for it to be run and the cost is prohibitive ( i heard $10K hire fee)
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Rowley PArk - when i was a kid saturday nights it was the place to be cars and bike speedway
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Seems all around the countyr the old showgrounds where th eden of speedway !
this is the last time solos were on claremont showground. Royal Show demonstration by Classic Speedway Association 4 October 2008.
L-R Rick miller (Jawa 894), Jim Phillips (1964 WA Champ - 1948 Jap) David Coles (former Sbananahorpe NL 1966 ESO), Barry Kennington 1968 Jawa) Glenn Gordon (Weslake Mk 1).
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The perfect screen saver
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chum taylor
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The original white ghost Ken Le breton
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LEGENDS BARRY BRIGGS & IVAN MAUGER GRASSTRACKING AT LYDDEN 1968
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That's Jim Airey Freaky and just like the road racing bars they're called clip on's.
or is that clip off 's >>
PC in a word of hurt
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simply another great screen saver :D
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Freaky Rowley Park was Friday nights, the best show in town always! Go to www.rowleypark.com for some great pics and stories.
Renmark ( Riverland) and Murray Bridge ( Riverview) alternated Saturday nights, (both still going but almost no bikes any more), plus we also rode Whyalla and Mt. Gambier occasionally on Saturday nights.
Remember Murray Bridge will have the World Speedway Sidecar titles on November 12 this year, be there! Locals Headland / Waters keen to win a 2nd World title, Rocket Waters has recovered from his NZ injuries and is back on the bike with Mick, - plus Mark Mitchell can still go OK for an old bloke! Go the Croweaters!
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Haydos i was a kid, everynight to me was like a saturday night. being up after 8'clock was like Xmas !
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SA's old tracks
Wayville showgrounds, originally the 'Speedway royale started inthe 1920, still here today as our showgrounds and every now and then a promoter gets permit for an event. we had the sidecar gold cup a few years back. But being in the city centre the noise police put too many conditions on it for it to be run and the cost is prohibitive ( i heard $10K hire fee)
You probably won't believe me but our local speedway track is a 5 minute work to the middle of town, normally runs from October to April most saturday nights with 1 huge 2 day teams meeting for superstock cars in February
Solos don't run there much but sidecars probably do every third or fourth meeting
A taste of the superstocks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRd9E-58lPE
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Tony, without being rude, you've actually raised one of my pet hates.
To me Speedway is, solo's, I have never actually watched the car racing on speedway, I love the V8's but it's the stoppages involved with car racing that generally leaves me cold.
Motorcycles of all types are pretty much supported by " Enthusiasts " , every Tom Dick & Harry drives a car.
We are the home of Speedway and the lack of local competition is a shame.
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Just a bit of trivia.
The Donkin bro's on the speedway sidecar on page 48 are the uncles of one of our best ever female racers.
Jan Hart, nee Stewart, wife of Geoff Hart.
Jan was bloody quick on DT during the 80's and teamed with Geoff and his brother Daniel very nearly won the 6 hour race at Nepean more than once riding for the Betric Racing team.
Another point to note is that Jan's father, Keith Stewart won the Redex Trial, for bikes, way back when.
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ToWe are the home of Speedway and the lack of local competition is a shame.
how good would it be if we had proper league riding in Au. twice a week races would be awesome, the sport would be the king or this generation of short attenion span kids and quick result and short free time adults. It can be revivied............... belive :P
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It's been something that has disappointed me as well, there are a few bike only tracks around over here though none anywhere near us & bikes really have almost disappeared from the scene especially with the total commitment needed when you have concrete walls & no cage surrounding you
Both the bikes & sidecars need the track smoother & some nights the sidecars meet in the middle after a sighting lap to decide if it's safe to race or not.
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John Walker, a Coventry lad , has been trying to resurrect Solo Teams racing in Canberra, he has faced beaurocracy, apathy and downright antagonism, from certain quarters, to give John his due , he's still in there battling for the solo scene.
In the Eighties , John was instrumental in organising the Canberra Bulls speedway club and team as well as Solo teams racing at Tralee, I rode, a few times, for North Canberra V South Canberra there under John's aegis.
Negotiations are still going on and I hope John and the Club can bring his and the Canberra Bull's plans to fruition.
Check out the Bull's website for more info, www.canberrabullsspeedway.org.au
Foss
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Kieth Stewart is a name I remember, saw him ride at Mt Druitt on I think a compy AJay or Matcho.
I believe he also had a record for the longest 'broad jump' on a motorcycle late '50s.
[They did those sort of things at ACU sanctioned 'sports days']
cheers pancho.
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hi everybody my names michael platts im the son of doug platts he use to race dirt track in the 70s im just wondering if anybody on here has any other photos or info on his career or achievments
any info would be very grateful cheers
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There ya go Foss! I reckon you're the man for the job on this one!!! cheers, mark
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Michael, welcome to the gang. I'm sure Foss and the others will be able to help with info on Doug. Mark
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G'day , Michael
Great to see you on here, I remember Doug very well , he was a very exciting rider to watch and to chase !!!, there is a pic, not a real good one, from Revs of Doug, Kevin Patton and myself at Yass with Gough Whitlam on Doug's bike on page 3 post 39 on this thread.
Slides will probably have more info than me , however he's at the Nepean 2 day Charity Dirt Track right now.
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I have heard from quite a few people that he use to race with that he was a hard rider and of course he told me the same thing. i have that photo of gough whitlam on his bike at home in my collection i have just ordered a scanner and i have over 200 photo's from the 60's and 70's of dad racing along with kevin fraser, brian martin and the other wollongong club guys.I regret it now that i didnt continue racing dirt track instead i moved onto powerboats me and dad are still in regular contact with a few of the guys. Kevin fraser pops up every now and than and im good friends with peter rowlands daughter and son who both raced dirt track when they were younger. Dads 60th is coming up soon and im trying to put together a big scrap book of stuff that we dont already have so anything would be helpfull
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Hi Michael and welcome aboard.
I don't know if you've read most of this thread but I'll apologise to you now, I'm the bonehead who posted that Doug was no longer with us, thankfully I was wrong.
Hoprfully he'll get a chuckle out of it.
Doug and my brother Carl were both coming up through the grades at the same time and had quite a few ding dongs with each other, they are around the same age and were both pretty hard chargers.
I don't have any more shots of your dad but I know every one on here would enjoy anything you might have.
Tell him the Askew's say g'day.
Steve
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haha yes mate he did get a chuckle out of but no his still around and still in wollongong.He was telling me the otherday when he was looking at these pictures trying to figure out who some of the guys were he mentioned your brother carl as soon as he seen the race number he yelled in my ear thats carl bloody askew i remember him and i would love to share all these pictures just waiting on my new scanner i have alot from when he was 13 right through to when he raced in england with julian wigg and there is tonnes of news clippings from the 70's of the australia v england tests and alot from amaroo park. i found a program yesterday in dads box of stuff from the 1973 dirt track race of the year at amaroo and alot of the names in it i have seen on here but as soon as i can il be quick to scan these photos there slot there of alot of different people
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Look forward to seeing some of the old mans pics Platts.
I'll have to get off my arse and post some more. I've got a couple of rippers that i've been hangin' on to for the right moment. cheers, Mark
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Hi Guys;
Kris here from page 30 or so, still keeping in touch with forum.
Have finally got some footage for you of classic races, recorded from super 8 film but didn't turn out too bad. About 9-10 minutes worth.
a little description of film in order of appearance:
1) All the greats at Ameroo Pk 1972 National Titles
2)Young, Kevin Fraser Peter Laws 1973
3)National Tiltles Griffith 1975
4)Napean
5)Londonderry
Hope you guys enjoy, a few stacks in there you may like. Let me know what you think. Also if you have any good shots of Pete would be great to see.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmL4pQaciFE
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FFFFFFAAAAAARRRRRKKKKKK, how good is that.
Michael Platts, some good glimpses of Doug in his Blue helmet at Amaroo right at the start and surprisingly brother Carl on his arse a few times.
Nepean running the flip flop inside the Speedway corner and Carlos pushing Scaysie wide a couple of times.
The flag starts were a lottery back then and TH's 750 certainly pulled away from the line pretty good.
Even Peter Lee sneaks in there a few times in the Griffith footage.
Did Fraze ever actually slide a slider?
Thanks heaps Kris, this will raise some comments.
I even saw Mr Burkett looking pretty stylish at Nepean.
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Some good stuff eh,
Did you note the speed of the griffith finals, would be hard to beat today I reckon, shame there is no sound.
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They were going hard at Griffith for sure and the best of all is nearly all Hagons.
Even footage from just in the pit's would be interesting.
The earlier footage from Nepean looks like it's from the same meeting as some of the still's I posted several pages back, I think I might have spotted a Foss in there.
Thanks again.
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1970's lingo,...GROUSE!!!
Thanks for that. Aahh the memories.
Mark
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that was great now drugs(for ribs)have kicked in
jim
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In '50s lingo EXTRA GROUSE! great stuff!
Yes Fraz. rode sliders and very impressive at that!
Always tight lines and rarely over-sliding not spectacular but always at the pointy end.
Onya Jim but spectating only for you for the next couple of Nepeans!
Cheers pancho.
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Un-Bloody-Real, Kris
Thanks heaps for posting that link up , gunna watch it again when EA gets home, echoes of a far simpler era.
Yup , Slides, TH's thing certainly gated well, Ay
Foss
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Not sure if these have been posted here before now and I missed it, but there's some good piccies over on the Ning Site:
http://ausvmx.ning.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?screenName=1t9zc869s6skw
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SEYMOUR 1977 Vic. Titles. Don Stafford, Jap 500
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Gary Chasemore leading Len Norris
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Should know but i can't remember
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Me out in front 250 ossa
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Len Norris goin' for it!
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Unrool Mark, what a track.
Correct me if I'm wrong, those photo's are from that massive downhill sweeper just before the start straight?
I've been there twice, the second time, 198?, I rode at the OZ titles and I shat myself coming over the crest.
I posted that reply while you were uploading more shot's, def that corner, you needed balls of steel to be quick there.
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Don Stafford
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How's this for a grid!! LtoR. Ray Owen,Don Stafford,Chris Kelly,Karl Morlang,Gary Flood,Gary Chasemore and out of picture Kevin Patton. All Australian and state champions. WHAT A LINE-UP. regards Mark
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Yep, thats THE corner Slides. I smashed my clavical (shoulder) and had 3 months off work right about where Lenny Norris is in the pic. VERY FAST corner. Loved it. Mark
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Thanks for posting all the great images Slider 29. Do you have any idea where that last (grid) shot was taken and was it a heat, semi or final. Big ask I know mate.
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The Grid shot is the unlimited final at Granite Park Seymour Victoria 1977. Placings,.. 1st Gary Chasemore, 2nd Kevin Patton, 3rd Gary Flood. regards Mark p.s. also known as Allpowers
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Hey, Slider
Bloody grouse shots , mate. Never did get to Seymour, looking at those photos, I wish I had !!!
Foss
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In that company on those bikes on that track in that final it's guys like Chris Kelly on what appears to be a 250 Bully that went a long way toward making Short Circuit the spectacle it was in the late sixty's, seventy's and eightys. Go the chookies.
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proper bully too, 8) an astro :P
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astro 1977
could have been a 250 325 350 or 360??? all interchangable on the crankcases.i had a 325 in a hagon frame.
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Chris Kelly was a bloody GUN on the Astro. If i remember correctly he had the 250 and a 360. I wanted one! Going by the green front plate he is on the 250. They were very quick bikes. I'm surprised they weren't a lot more popular in Oz. Chris was/is a top bloke as well and like me, his Dad was his pit crew. He won the 250 title that day at Seymour. Gary Flood won the 125 on a hagon/bultaco. Mark
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Raced with Chris from about 11 years of age. Sold him my trick SL70 when I moved into sub juniors. Generally it was his Uncle that pitted for him. He lived with the family in Altona and had raced speedway cars for years
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Bump.
C'mon Ian, where are you?
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Slides, I think everyone has gone away :-\ Its a tad quite isn't it?
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I know Mark, us true believers are running on empty while others promise and come up with Jack.
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OK , OK it has been a bit quiet here lately , I've been busy, workin on a DR 200 SE , tracking deer with me camera, skinnin goats, carting wood, fencing an all kinds of groovy stuff, so here's a photo I really like, from Briggo's book.
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German rider , Manfred Poschenreider, under the paint on a longtrack , JAP mounted , I think.
Foss
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Slides, in regard to THAT corner at Seymour, in post #752 the crest is at the far right and then it drops into the BIG left hander and thats after a pretty long main straight. It was a spectacular sight when the big guns came over the rise flat knacker and threw it sideways. Note the yellow HK Holden panel van in the background, same pic.Its my brothers and he still has it!!!
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Great shot that Foss. Looks like me just before i fell off ;D
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Yeah, Mark it's a good shot alright , he is on a JAP, I found another shot of him, not quite as good , but from the other side.
I think it looks like me , just before I woke up !!!.
Pete and Colleen will be home , end of this week.
Foss
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You're one of the true believers Foss.
I'm sure we've all had dreams of looking like that.
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For a few years there at seymour, the Hartwell club mucked about with the start gate. Went from the bottom of the pit chute, half way up and then the full way. Had an interesting day with Russel Bergmeir one day. He had bought a littleTA125 yamaha roadracer and slotted the motor into a hagon frame. I had just rebuilt a maico 250 hagon that I got Keith Stacker to build. He had only used some alloy engine mounts at the front and rear and the motor actually swung in the frame. If you know maicos well you will know the importance of the pinch bolt under the cases. Anyway dad and I hand filled a durellium cradle for it. (Dad was working at an aviation company. That was also a mistake as they were too rigid and didn't flex.) Russ and i shot out of the start gate in practice and headed down into the first 90 degree right hander. He went to slam on the brakes and realised he didn't have anyand shot straight off the corner. Me having a chuckle then hit the brake. First time I had used the mechanical disc brake on the rear sprocket. Hit it at the same spot I would normally on my mx bike. wellwe all know how ineffective Maico brakes were, but the disc was evenworse. Followed Russ off into the weeds, diggin the toe into the dirt as you used to do as a 10 year old on a bicycle with no brakes. Have some shots of the maico, ( not a success at all. Sold it and got a Cole Elstar fom Donny stafford. Sold it cos it also never seemed quick enough. Wish I kept it now.) Will get the son to show me how to post pictures.
Great track Seymour, but it was important to wash the bike down as soon as pssible as that granite would set like concrete in the old mud catcher rims!
Rosco 86
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Chris Kelly was a bloody GUN on the Astro. If i remember correctly he had the 250 and a 360. I wanted one! Going by the green front plate he is on the 250. They were very quick bikes. I'm surprised they weren't a lot more popular in Oz. Chris was/is a top bloke as well and like me, his Dad was his pit crew. He won the 250 title that day at Seymour. Gary Flood won the 125 on a hagon/bultaco.
I remember racing at some title meeting or other at Nepean back in the mid 70's on my 250 Maico which had some serious porting, a fat Wheelsmith pipe and was on methanol...a bloody quick bike, far too quick for my mid pack C grade ability level. In practice I was cruising around at what I thought was championship winning speed when out of nowhere this red and white blur screamed past me on full lock sideways 20 metres before the speedway bend and through the corner before I had even entered it. As I found out later it was Chris Kelly whom I'd previously never heard of. He went on to win everything on the program on both 250 and 360 Astros, riding them like they were designed to be ridden...flat out and sideways. Shit that kid could ride. Most people who bought Astros tended to ride 'em like chookies when in fact they ned to be ridden like sliders. Chris Kelly had that worked out for sure ;D
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OLLIE NO 99 he rides the same on the pre75 250 astro
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OLLIE NO 99 he rides the same on the pre75 250 astro
Absolutely Jim ;). Ollie has the flat track type riding style by the balls. Old farts like you and me might be in a bit of strife if we attempt to ride our trackers like that Jim ;D.
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Thats more like it fellas. A bit of feed back and re-live the moment (all those years ago) The old stories are great . Thanks, regards Mark
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those are current classic dirt track riders 99 ollie and no 6 our grassy
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Something different-Cole Elstar, Bendigo Showgrounds 1975/76
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Rosco86
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Hey Rosco, Good story about missing the sharp right hander at Seymour. Similar thing happened to me!! It was my first race on my Hagon JAP and the start line was back up near the pits, about 150m from the r/h corner. This race meeting was being shown on the T.V. believe it or not!! Can't remember which station. Anyway i line up beside Andrew Horne who was a top rider and the only thing in my mind was get to the corner 1st.He was on a yz 400 i think. Tape goes and we're off down the hill at full throttle side by side and i was not going to back off until A.H. I'm thinking shit this 500 is grouse and i'm in the lead, hit the skids hard to put it into the corner and NOTHING!! Straight ahead at full steam tankslapping and bouncing across the infield. By the time i had things under control i realised a couple of others had followed me ;D
And yes i got given heaps by everyone that i knew who had seen it on T.V. Mark
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(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/chris-nepean.jpeg)
Nepean Vintage Dirt track, 250 class first corner, circa 1990/91
L-R #37 ??-Honda, #5 Chris Ellis Maico, #114 Brian Martin-Bultaco, #31 Edgar Phipps-Honda, #12 Pete (Yamaico) Rowland-Maico, ?? XL slider.
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318-Mick Cady-Maico, Who is #76?
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I'm pretty sure someone posted these photo's, either earlier in this thread or on another.
At that time it was said that 76 was Kevin Fraser, I reckon it could be the other Brian Martin, from Wollongong, or Fraze wearing Brians gear.
Good shots all the same.
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Yeah, I posted them a while ago but I found them again so I thought I'd post 'em. I thought #76 was Kevin Fraser but the leathers do indeed look like Brian Martin. In the first photo #5 Chris Ellis is having a guest ride on my 250 square barrel Maico and went on to win the race,
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Excelsior Goldie, built for Canadian 1/2 mile racing.
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kevin fraser was no 49 as i was no 48
cheers
jim
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(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/Mark_eastham/IMG_0005-2.jpg)
Len Norris goin' for it!
Hi Slider29 Like your photos Seymour was a great track,very fast,especially that corner !Good memories, Keep 'em coming.I'll post some when I get some time. ;D
Regards Len
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(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/Mark_eastham/IMG_0007.jpg)
Should know but i can't remember
I may be wrong here Slider29,but I think that is Shane Coombs from wagga ??
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C'mon Len, pull your finger out, the rest of us are running on empty. ;)
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Howzit goin Len? Glad you liked the pics. I've got a lot more to come but things are pretty hectic down here at the moment. Got some of Young ,Euroa and Romsey etc
regards, Mark
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HI
Julian WIGG at Nepean!
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-20-2009_078.jpg)
MK
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The Big Wigg with Langy right up his clakka.
Thanks for your input mickay, got any more?
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HI
Got heaps, mostly of me and my bunch, have another of WIGG will post later it looks about the same?
This is me (161) in the lead?
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-19-2009_122.jpg)
MK
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Me again Amaroo.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-19-2009_206.jpg)
Me again same track much earlier in full song on the XL.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-19-2009_211.jpg)
MK
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Me Amaroo on start line XL250 with a 350 tank?
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MK
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HI
Ancient history, me XL250 Londonderry.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-21-2009_155.jpg)
MK
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HI
No idea who at Cowra SC?
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-19-2009_073.jpg)
Me (161) CR250 lining up another Honda for a pass, same track different race.
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MK
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Great Short Circuit shots , Mick, thanks for posting 'em up as most of the DT members here are runnin on empty as far as photos go,
At Cowra, I think # 14 is Don Howison, his number and looks like his leathers and # 25 Greg Primmer, Slides will probably know.
Foss
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14 & 25 are correct Foss, 55 used to be Tony Hatton's number but I don't think it's him.
Great photo's, looks like you rode that XL straight up the pit ramp at Amaroo and all the way home.
Don't worry if they're not of A graders, put em up.
Check out the ramp on the infield at Amaroo, can't remember that.
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Strange bikes at Amaroo (WTF)
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MK
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More Amaroo?
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MK
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More Amaroo (me)
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MK
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Sidecars Amaroo
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-21-2009_029.jpg)
MK
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Amaroo Oldie
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-21-2009_169.jpg)
MK
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Not sure if I've posted this one before, too lazy to look.
Check out the amount of dirt on Nepean.
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KD & Carlos
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I'm all teary with nostalgia seeing those old Amaroo short circuit photos. A lot of folks didn't like the track much because it was so different to most others of the day but it was my all time favourite. There was no better buzz in dirt track than hitting the down hill main straight dog leg tapped out in top. The very last race on the old circuit was a Penrith club vintage meeting back in '94 or '95.
Co-incidentally Amaroo Park was one of the few dirt tracks that was also CAMS licenced. I had the privelege of punting a workmates Morgan +4 twin cam around the track at a sports car lap dash meeting in the late 80's. At that meeting a bloke rolled his lightweight Mini sports sedan at least six times after getting it horribly wrong on the dog leg. Doors and fibreglass body panels flew off the car on every roll and we were sure the driver had been killed until he crawled from the crumpled wreck with nothing more than a black eye. :o
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Hi
I used to love that track too, for exactly the same reasons, I had that back straight sorted! I often think when I drive past that area what the track looks like now?
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-19-2009_039.jpg)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m522/Megapink_Mist/11-19-2009_052.jpg)
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MK
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1/4 mile drag bike. think that's the jag out of firko's bus
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definatly have to get some of those white coats for officials ;D
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You worry me sometimes Freaky.
WTF has that beast got to do with Classic DT? ;)
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Nuthin to do with Classic DT, Slides, scary looking bit of kit alla same , looks like a Sidecar , too, can't see third wheel but check out left side exhausts.
Foss
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JUlian wigg 72"
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382900_10150343261680566_706560565_8667985_605193866_n.jpg)
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Nuthin to do with Classic DT, Slides, scary looking bit of kit alla same , looks like a Sidecar , too, can't see third wheel but check out left side exhausts.
Foss
think its a solo and that the drive end of the jag motor
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I was digging through some old photos looking for MX shots and found these shots of Slidey's big bro Carlos chucking some dirt track skids.
They're probably elsewhere on here but I'm too lazy to go back through 'em
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture1391.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture1390.jpg)
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Only the middle photo is on here before.
That last one is a beauty and very rare, Mr Bucket is in front ;D
I think Ian's on a Hagon 350 Jap and John Druce maybe a Hagon 250 Bully, I know what Carlos is riding because it's sitting in my shed, an Elstar 350 BSA.
Does anyone remember what club Druce was a member off?
Over Exuberance cost him a few wins, that's pretty much Carlos's career in a nutshell, win it or bin it.
The first shot is a good example, close to taking Billy's front wheel out, brave man, Billy cut Carlos more slack than he did anyone else.
Cheers Firko.
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I know you won't mind Firko, I've lifted 2 of those photo's to put on the new Dirt Track site. ;)
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These are great shots how about some of the Qld'ers and Vic Short circuit guys throwin a few pics up
#8
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MORE PLEASE!!
I had a lot of fun on Amaroo too, plus I have a number of good colour slides of colourful slides I've taken while me or my machinery was broken!
pancho
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The guy on 496 is John Druce, really good dirt tracker from Fairfield MCC, the bike was a 350 bandito in a hagon frame possibly the only Bandito Bultaco hagon.
There was Kerr versions like Phil Youngs but not very many hagons. As the report says all three were not far apart all day but the winner is infront in this shot,doesnt he look stylish. He also beat Chris Pussy on the day much to Mr Spooners disgust.
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Oh give yourself a rap.
From what I remember, because I was about 9, this meeting was a very rare wet meeting that went ahead at Nepean and mainly because Chris was there to ride?
Did you beat him on the 350?
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Only by the length of the finish straight , I even got a handshake from him, it pisses me off that the guy who owned it, sold the motor and left me with the rest
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Mick Hockley leads Ron Davis at Condo 95
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Condo 95
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Edgar Phipps leads Butch Martin, Nepean early 90's
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Mick Cady (Maico) leads Kevin Fraser on Ron McKenzies Hagon Bultaco, Nepean 92
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture285.jpg)
'Dingo'Dave Dunne showing off on his XL350...Nepean circa 92
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture278.jpg)
Billy Johnson at speed on the legendary 99% Nitro burning "Pink Thing II" Honda Steppy. Billy and Pinky were the kings of the step through races we held in conjunction with the vintage program back in the 90's
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture282.jpg)
Steppy action from '92
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I'm putting this photo of the late Warren Willis up for no other reason than it being a very cool shot of a very good Maico rider.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/warrenwillis.jpg)
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What a top shot, his son still rides it.
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I had an email from me old mate Kevin Patton today and with it were some of these top Short Circuit pix. The pix were taken by Taffy Williams , the father of the '70s Short circuit gun , Ian Williams.
Kevin asked me to comment on the photos, but I really think they tell their own story!!
I don't know where or when and in some cases don't know who but I'll ring KP back and ask the questions, but for now this it how it was at the pointy end in the '70s!!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KP4.jpg)
Lenny Norris on the Wes chasing KP on his KSS JAP off the end of the straight at Griffith, Golden Wheels 1979
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KP3.jpg)
1977 Aussie Titles , Ipswich QLD.(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KP2.jpg)
Testing the 125 twin at Marchmont circuit ,Yass(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KP1.jpg)
KP #710, Kevin Condron (obs), Lenny Norris #2, Loyd Richards, #92 '79 Griffith
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KP5.jpg)
1974 Aussie 125ccTitle, Elizabeth South Aus, just after this pic was taken, KP crashed, in his own words " I got too excited, threw the Title away" but not before setting the overall lap record on that bike.
Ok I got a huge storm happening very close so I'll post this and then shut down,
Catch yas later,
Foss
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Top shots those. The 1st and 4th shots are Griffith i reckon. Taf would have been standing where the riders came back into the pits.
Regards Mark
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whats the 2 pot ? a early RD ??
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Number 2 would be Lenny Norris, could be CIG GOLDEN WHEELS rd. 3 July '79
(pics 1 & 4 ) 789 in the last pic is the great Charlie Edwards
Mark p.s. Ian Williams had one of those Yammy 125 two pot howlers as well.
VERY fast.
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Yep, Shots 1 and 4 are at Griffith , Mark, for sure
Freaky, I'm not sure if it is an RD 125, but as Slider says, Ian Williams had one as well, both built in Canberra by Doug Bryant, I may be wrong , but I'm sure KP still has the bike, I'll talk to him later this week.
They were bloody fast , I was at a practice day at Fairbairn in th '70s, both KP and Ian were there, on the 125 twins,they made an awesome noise , tearing around together !!
#92 in shot 4 is Wagga's Loyd Richards , Has anyone any idea who #19 in shot 2 could be ??
Foss
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Hey Al,
Those 125's were pre RD release. They were either TA125's or kitted AS1's and they were quick. I rode a Clem Daniels prepared TA125 in an MX100 chassis at Young one year and it bloody flew.
Pete.
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Really 125 ? thought they might be 125x2 pot maybe 250 RD
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Nah , Freaky they definately are 125s, known the bikes, and the blokes ,for years, white on black number plates , too, bloody quick they were,
Pete , I think AS1 rings a bell, I'll ask Kev tomorrow.
Foss
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Spoke to KP this morning and Pete , you were right, they are worked AS1's, there were three built by Wayne and Doug Bryant, one is in QLD, one is in Canberra some-where and the third is in KP's possession.
Kev tells me that his 125 twin is ready to go and will probably be at the Classic Titles in Canberra in October.
Have captioned KP's photos after speaking to him
Foss
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I remember see one of these 125's at kempsey or taree one time -talk about screamin' banshee's :o bloody thing flew !
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Well, Huski, there's more than just a chance we'll be able to see and hear one again at Canberra in October ! Looking forward to it
Foss
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Howdy Foss,
Any chance of getting all of pic #1 on screen? Be great to see all of Len in there. Great action shot. There were a few riders i loved to watch and Len was one of them. Regards Mark
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I've been talking to KP a bit lately, a man of many interests including Speedcars, he still has one , one of the first roll-cage VW Scats.
He mentioned this project he was working on for some-one else and I just had to have a photo of it, the sound of these things would make a strong man tremble , and I , for one would like to give it a squirt around Mount Panorama !!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KPVTWINJAP.jpg)
Cecily and KP with the beast
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Stuart Mason leading all the big guns, Langy, Terry Poole, Bill McDonald, Chris Pusey and Greg Primmer
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K.P. looks in good nick Foss but how about that JAP!!! Bit more than a knee trembler
Beautiful. Great shot of the big boys at play Freaky Thanks, Mark
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Yeah , that is a top shot Freaky, looks like Chris Pusey is aiming for the gap, I wonder if the move came off !!
OK , Mark, here's the driveside top end of the Beast with it's bloody great TT, or is it a GP ?, Amal, two differing heads too.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/KPVTWINJAP2.jpg)
I know KP won't mind me posting his comments as the thunder of four unsilenced 880 JAP and Vincent V twin Skids oufits into turn one of the Lions and Christians atmosphere of the Royale still sends a shiver up me spine , not to mention Debbo's and Stan Bayliss's Vincents at Oran Park and Mount Panorama.
From KP,
Getting to sleep at nite during this project wasn't easy ,for the sound of ' V ' twins roaring around the Showground and up Mountain Straight. Entering the shed to start work on it made me tremble in awe at its very presence in my shed. To finally hear it run will remain a grand moment. Sorry we don't seem able to master this machine to be able to send the movie stuff with the most beautiful sound.
KP.
KP is gunna send me the vid of the start-up of the Beast, cant wait !!
Foss
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More action pix from KP, this time 30 odd years later and taken by the same lensman, Taffy Williams.
These are from the '08 Classic DT Titles in Canberra and the first shot shows the sons of two Short Circuit stars from slightly different eras.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Classic_DT_0100.jpg)
Ray Dole Jr. # 109 and Cliff Patton #710, Canteen corner Fairbairn
Next shot is the start of one of the 500 slider heats
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Classic_DT_sliderstart.jpg)
# 710 Cliff Patton Hagon Jap, # 63 Phil Gibson Godden Jawa, #78 Mark Aliprandi Jawa, #64 Paul Parlett Cole Elstar, #736 ??? # 45 Tony Day, Hagon Sandracer 84S Jap, I'm not sure of the others
Next is turn one of a 250cc heat,
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Classic_DT_250turnone.jpg)
Cliff outside # 94 Steve Croker, # 33 Clinton McDonald, #6 Grasy, #688 Chis hedges ( on my old MX 250 ), I'm not sure who #4 and # 99 are,.
Foss
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In that last shot, I gather Cliff is riding KP's 250 Bully?
#99 is St George member Ollie Smith riding John Imrie's Bully.
Great photo's Foss, any more?
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Thanks Slides , I thought # 99 was Ollie but wasn't sure and as far as Cliff's 250 slider, I'm not sure what it is , I'll ask KP in the next couple of days.
KP is just getting into computers and is still trying to send me the video of the V twin start-up and I'll bet he has a heap more photos.
Foss
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its a hagon yamaha .cliff brought it to nepean one year and smoked all the 500s on it
28TH MAY 2006
jim
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/jimg1au/Napean_28_May_2006_312_fs.jpg)
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Well there is an hour I won't get back! I've just gone through all 57 pages... Best I dig through a few boxes and see if I can find some old photos. I was around dirt track from 1980 to 1990 approx. I have a few revs mags from that era also. On my bucket list is to also go through a decade of VHS dirt tract tapes from the 80,s and burn them to cd!!
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Does that mean you didn't enjoy looking through them, ???
Hard to please if you didn't.
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Lol. No just the opposite! I was just commenting on how big the post is. The pics etc are great. Keep them coming
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See if you can post up some pix from the '80s , Gettinold, as it was an era I missed out on due to forced retirement from Short Circuit, and there are many people that would be interested.
It is really great to see some of the pix that show up from time to time and I guess it is a combined show of memories from differing eras and points of view. The thread has also put people back in touch with each other after many years.
Slides started the thread off with a particular purpose but it has grown to be far more than that and I was wondering if we can archive the whole thread as there is so much there, must talk to Graeme about that.
Oh yeah , Slides, over forty thousand hits on the thread now !, look what ya started !!
Foss
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Will do Jap. Wont be until late next week. Had lap top crash yesterday!! grrrrrrrrrrr. I bet we know each other Jap? or at least know of each other lol. Now lets see. Ive been to Kempsey,Dubbo,Tamworth,Ipswich,Maryborough,Cameron Park,Raymond Terrace,Temora,West Wylong,Gunnedah,Ballina to name a few.......................... . Rod Allen senior did most of the commentating.Solo riders that come top of mind are .Watson,Caslic,Connell,Fernance,Diffey,etcccccccccccc Sidecars.... Burdus,Lawrence,Bond,Eaton, Watson ( senior)
Most of these race meetings are all on VHS too.................. :) :) :)
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All good, looking forward to seeing some of your photo's and the video footage sounds very interesting.
Steve
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I've got more to come as well from the '70's. Young, Euroa, Romsey etc. I just don't get how to post them. It goes in one ear and out the other. ;D ;D Might post them to you Foss ;)buddy /pal
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got any from that big track in Rutherglen from the 70's ?
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Hey, Slider no probs with posting the pix, I do it for a couple of the lads.
Yep, I'd like to have that bronze head five stud in my shed !!
Foss
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Hey, Mark
Have a look at this for posting images http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6667.0 and follow the bouncing ball , it's like a lot of things , do it once, next time it's easier.
Foss
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our dad (jimg1au&jap454) 1977 st george veteran club championships he got third i still have trophy
place nepean bike jap454s elstar
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/jimg1au/flattrack/dad1977vetchampionships.jpg)
dad is 89 now and helps me with my dirttrack bikes i am the same age now as he was then
? pine and george tudor(chris dixons farther in law) 1st and second places dad was leading as the 500 got away from the 125s in the straights
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its a hagon yamaha .cliff brought it to nepean one year and smoked all the 500s on it
28TH MAY 2006
jim
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/jimg1au/Napean_28_May_2006_312_fs.jpg)
its either the yz250C or the MX 250B he snuck into the NAts a few years back.
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looks to me like a hagon yamaha that was avalable in 1974 like all hagon bikes any motor can fit.
jim
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interesting take on that Jim, so your saying i can have a 2001 yamaha motor in pre 75 cause they all fit in 74 Hagon frames....
i'd like a time machine too where i can get later model motors and take em back in time with me too.
Lotto numbers would be better i reckon though.
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The Newcastle Select Team -- 4/1/0974 ---Standing Don Howison, Phil Herne, Robbie Blackader & Brian Shields. Kneeling from left to right: Bob Valentine, Billy Sanders & Greg Kentwell
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Phil Herne is the only one who is still a profesional motorcycle rider.
A postie.
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Re the Photo of Canberra Titles 2008( previous page) 250cc final #4 is Mick Gee(Cowra broke his neck following year on same track but is back on the bikes now). Clifford was aboard a MX Yamaha powered slider. Steve Croker 1st Grasy 2nd Clifford 3rd. Have not seen Clifford around lately due to some eligibity of the bike being pre 1975 didnt bother us as the man can ride & is safe to ride with.
Keep the sport alive I reckon if ya gunna be fast be as fast as ya can. They make Rules & they are meant to be Broken.
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Do you abide by that philosophy Dave?
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I try to stay on the right side of the fence by a thou or so. Ya welcome to measure my scooters any day. But you wont get a look at the ports or cam. :D
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Well I finally got around to digging out some old photo's.I have a lot of old REV's mags and was involved in Dirtrack heavely from approx 1982 to 1990. If anyone is after anything in particuliar let me know.I thought I would start with a few sidecars!
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg576/tekcor/Facebook/bikes/256168_2057439243025_1455956006_2327624_5981113_o.jpg)
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oh well i got 2 out of the 3 right! LOL
How do you delete photo's??
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Hey Gettinold , I think only you can delete photos you've posted, not sure, but great outfit shots, more please !!
Anyhoo , I've been talking to Peter, bananas 161, about his JAP motor, and he sent me the link to his facebook page which has a shitload of photos, 187 to be exact, here's a few samples.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/OilTrack1Griffith.jpg)
Just noticed that the rider on the outside is #455 Tony Day
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Tracks I can identify in Pete's collection are Griffith, Amaroo, Nepean and Bathurst for the RR shots, riders I can identify are Pete # 161, Fraze, KP, Ian Williams and Lenny Norris.
I'll talk to Pete some more and see if I can post afew more pix.
Foss
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Hi Fossil, Shots 1 & 3 are Griffith Pines for sure
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Good to have you back Don, where's ya bin?
Can you give us some names of tracks and riders, I gather 323 is your father?
Steve
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Bloody rippers of shots Don, BSAs ruled by the look of it, but are my eyes deceiving me or is #387 in the parade shot on an early Yammy twin ???
Great stuff
Foss
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What was it with all the 300 numbers from the Hunter region, was that a conscious thing or not?
I'll be interested to know who the rider is wearing the BWP blue diamond or was it black for Newcastle?
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#323 is my brother. I had my first ride on his BSA at Salty Creek. My early days of riding I adopted his racing number. Most of the shots are from Heddon Greta, the ones where you can see a bit of grass in the background are Salty Creek. Take note of the shot where they are coming into the pit gate, the rider at the back #809 I think was Herbie Jeffo pre Hagon days. I have plenty more photos to come as I picked up a heap from my brother yesterday. I can't help much with any of the other riders names. I will post a few each day so keep a look out!
I think you are right #387 looks like a Yam, I hadn't noticed that. #34 sidecar is Jack Pearce.
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Old Bar at Taree I think.
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Salty Creek
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What all good dirt trackers eat between races!......My brother looks like he is scoffing a pie down! Tomato sauce replaced with sump oil!
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QUICK GIMME MORE!!!
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Good stuff from even before my time Hollywood. Hardly a 2 stroke to be seen and no flash riding gear or full face helmets. Shit, there's hardly even a helmet peak to be seen ;D. Am I correct in guessing the shots were taken circa '64-66?
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Yeah Firko, I would say 64 - 66.
Don, 809 is def Herb Jeffo.
Foss has some great shots he'll post up soon, courtesey of Kevin Patton.
I think I'll just do a home invasion on Mr Burkett and steal his photo's, I'm sick of waiting for him to get off the lounge and make a contribution, I might even wheel a few Hagon's down the driveway while I'm at it.
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i have one of those home made earybikes made and raced by my brother it will be ready next year as a pre 60 dirt track bike made form period stuff.
st george mcc spokesman had allan on the ariel in the jan 1970 front cover.
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The top photo of the lonely Beeza evokes memories of how it used to be......ammo tool box, black leathers, Cromwell helmet, old iron barrel Beeza..(the Elsinore of their era,they were everywhere!), an old cream Dodge Kingsway St Johns ambulance and even a bloke in a cardigan. Ah the sixties. ;D
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Love the drop down throttle cables.
Legend has it that leading rider in the 60's, Dave O'brien was known to pull on a competitors throttle cable as they battled it out, you can see how easy that would be but you wouldn't want to try it going into a left hander, imagine if someone tried that today.
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Howdy blokes,
Top photos Don. Man do they bring back some memories as a kid.
Looks like we might be up and running again Slides.
regards Mark
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Barry bloody Collyer did that sort of trick, too, Slides, he did exactly that to me on me JAP at Griffith in a first corner dust up, I got the better of it , so I thought, but when it came time to button off a bit at the end of the straight, the bloody throttle cable had come out of the twist grip and jammed down the side the adjuster at full noise , grabbed the plug cap, pulled it off, shit those SEM maggys put out some voltage !!! electrifying to say the least.
Foss
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Yeah Mark, funny how we seem to go in cycles, or is that circles?
The only one letting the team down is Ian, I know he has a heap of old photo's.
And you're still mates Foss, the way it was.
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I finally got my hands on this photo.
Billy Mac on my fathers Elstar BSA at Amaroo Park, 1968.
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I finally got my hands on this photo.
Billy Mac on my fathers Elstar BSA at Amaroo Park, 1968.
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Thanks Hoony, I wouldn't have the patience right now to sort out what I done wrong.
I was the last person to ride the bike and it was on the same track, around 1980, it's in my shed awaiting some lovin.
Cheers, Steve
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slides you just cut of the end -- should have ended [/img] thats all.
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Heddon Greta
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This home built frame by my brother was copied from Jeffo's first Hagon using photographs. My brother was a carpenter and drew it full scale onto a sheet of Masonite. Considering he worked in wood all the time, he did a pretty good job.
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The completed 350cc BSA slotted into the home built Hagon
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Well, sadly that is the last of our photographs.
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O.K, I have managed to load some pics onto photobucket.
Can some-one explain to this older gentleman who is loosing his cool what to do to get them on here please?
pancho.
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here you go Pancho, its quite easy once you get used to it. the forum link below spells it out, open up another tab to view the link ( keep this tab open) and open yet another tab where your pics are then toggle between the 3 tabs to follow the link below.
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6667.0
hope this helps you out.
if not what i do is upload my pics to the Ning OZVMX site and then link them to the post i want on here.
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Wally from one older gentleman to another........run your curser over the photo and a drop window will appear. click on the 'img code' until the word 'copied'appears. Then go to where you want to place the photo, say on the forum post you're creating and right click and a window will appear. Right click on Post and the photo url should appear on the page. Click on the 'Preview' button below to check to see if your photo comes out properly and if so, press Post. You can go past the preview button once you have confidence in your ability to get through the process. The more you do it, the simpler it becomes.
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thank you gents, I'll try again tomorrow.
cheers pancho.
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I reckon there would be a YOur tube video tutorial on that for sure. Just google it.... lazy old mans way. (from one lazy old man to another )
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O K there's one! now to try again!
Who are they and where, any guesses?
pancho.
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Amaroo Park but I have no idea who, one is from Wallsend.
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Amaroo Park coming out of pit corner and its Bill Dillow on the outside but Wallsend guy not sure
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The bloke with his head in front is Bill Dillow, I think the other is Kevin Frazer,
Was that K.F.'s number back then?
pancho.
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Dont know who, but who knows where?
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Great photo's Punchy, you're under way now, maybe you can help Mr Bucket out, pensioners united.
I doubt Fraze ever rode under the Wallsend colours, from my memory he was always from the opposite end of Syd town.
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Dont know who, but who knows where?
Is it Moorebank Wal ??
Foss
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Look's like a hillclimb to me Foss, Silverdale?
Is it you Punchy, getting back to nature?
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No, not me {that time] that's the down side of the infamous "Sorbent Hill' at Moorebank.
The plan was, in those days of 4" travel or often times ridgid rear end, to slowly drop the front wheel over the edge, then accelerate hard down to the bottom left hander. Since the crest was also at a left turn if one miscued this was the usual result!
pancho.
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Every body should know who!
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Every one of you eder statesmen should know thes two also!
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EH PANCHO
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I thought it was the bottom side of Sorbent, pardon the pun !!.
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Right on Foss!
The first time you came up to it in practice the instant thought was S**T!
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Yeah I hear you Foss, I missed all the "SKID" marks.
I'm a wee bit younger than you blokes and never had the chance of dropping off Sorbent, I did stand at the top in wonder a few times.
It would be a mere drop by todays standards but a fearsome leap back then.
Looking pretty stylish there Pinchy, are you still wearing the same set of leathers and can I see a ponytail flying out the back?
Hippy.
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Graeme Bartholomew on the Cotton #421.
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What a great lot of pix from Don and Wally, they take me back to when I first started in Short Circuit in the mid Sixties and the memories of Moorebank Scrambles with the St George club.
Moving on a few years , here's a few from Kevin Pattons collection.
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KP on the Kerr Bultaco and Doug Platts at Salty Creek early 1970
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Nepean 1974/5 KP on the 125 twin chasing Fraze and Doug Platts on their 500s
After this event, the powers that be of the day banned Kevin from competing on the 125 twin in over 250cc events
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1973 OZ titles at Seymour, Kevin with the 125 Title Trophy and Wayne and Doug Bryant , the builders of the frame and developers of the twin's engine. In the ute with the twin is a, shudder, run and hide, SC500 one of the most wicked motors I have ridden, in a Hagon frame !! /center][/b].
I have some more pix from KP, will post them up later
Foss
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Good ones Foss.
No pony tail then Slides, that came later, maybe a 'senior life crisis' or somesuch.
Yes, same leathers made up through Omodies circa '63, first repairs recently done by D.T Doug, only minor at that!
Fair few gravel rashes around the posteria area gained over the years.
Only thing is the old Merrylands Club colours are covered by the body armour now.
Thanks Firko for getting me over the hurdle to posting pics on here. I still have more, plus then I will take on the task of putting some of my colour slides up.
All the pics I have put up so far were taken by my friend Ron Clark with his beaut Lieca M3.
cheers pancho.
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Every one of you eder statesmen should know thes two also!
Any takers? who are they?
cheers
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At first glance Foss I thought the first shot was taken at Young, I'm sure KP would know where it is.
Because Carlos went over to England in early 74, I have no memorry of Doug riding an Elstar JAP.
Pretty dusty at Nepean, must've been an oil shortage.
Great photo's.
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How about this lot of short circuit "A" graders?
Who and Where?
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Yeah Slides, It was dusty at Nepean on a couple of occasions when they were trying out some miracle dust supressant called Paxin, it didn't work.
Ok for the captions to KPs fotos I'm relying on some scribbled notes I took when I was talking to Kevin a few weeks ago.
Now, a few more from Kevin's kollection !!
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Top photo shows KP leading Maico mounted # 75 John Walmsley at Amaroo
Bottom photo shows Hodaka slider rider # 13 Phil Young leading Kevin, there is some discussion about who #1 is, any ideas , anyone ??
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KP in the pits at Amaroo with the 125 Twin
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KP on the 125 twin at the1972 OZ Titles at Amaroo, 1st Kevin Fraser, 2nd Charlie Edwards, 3rd Kevin
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Walter, the 2 early shots are from Musswelbrook?
695 is Pummo Poole, the only bloke I recall using 809 is the legend Herb Jeffo.
I think 593 is Ray Curtis, possibly on my fathers Goldie?
The later shots of Pancho's are from Amaroo Park.
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Foss, I've spoken to Billy Mac and he confirmed that he never raced a 125, as I remember it the only person who could use the #1 was the winner of the previous years Unlimited title, in 72 that being Billy.
Tom Gibson from Qld used #1 because he was the Qld #1 but he wore lighter coloured leathers and I think had a small Q on his plate.
Unless the photo was taken at a different meeting and/or during practice, I can't work it out.
As you said originally it does look a lot like Jim Scaysbrook.
Ian, you were there?
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Slides,
I just noticed that, in the shot with Pummo the other bloke's number is 800, not 809 and his breastplate looks like an early MCC of Canberra one, could it be some-one like Terry McDonald perhaps ?, I'll ask KP or Buzz. There were two Canberra Clubs in the early days, MCC of Canberra and The Motorcycle Sportsmans Club of Canberra.
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800 it is, mum said that'd happen.
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How about this lot of short circuit "A" graders?
Who and Where?
14 ?
417 Fred Boyd
935? But I know his face
593 looks to me like Jeff not Ray
695 Terry P
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The "A" grade lot as with some those in that group were taken at Boxers Creek.
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Hi Wally, 123 is Eric Harrison and 895 is George Heggie, 57 is old Bill Brunton BWP, 149 is Doug Platts on Elstar, 800 is from Canberra or South Coast but I think you will find its also Boxers Creek and old Terence P. No 1 is John Walmsley on a 250 Kawasaki and Steve your mum told me that you did that
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Thanks for the South Coast clue on # 800 Ian, I'm pretty sure now that it is Don Greig from Moruya, he ran # 800 and his iron BSA slider is in the First Sliders thread on Vintage track with #800 plates also I have other photos of the bike. Don was an A grader in the early days and he is entered, with that number, in the Terry McDonald memorial race , Mt. Ginn 1972
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What a buzz, just got off the phone to Don Greig, we had a long yarn, and Don confirms that it is him in the photo with Terry Poole at Boxers Creek, Don also told me that he was a member of the MCC of Canberra and wore their colours.
He also told me that his bike is a DBD32 Goldie, bought from Paul Spooner and extensively modified by Don.
So one more piece of the puzzle slots into place !!
Foss
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I reckon this one is of "eka" Eric Davies at Amaroo.
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How about this lot of short circuit "A" graders?
Who and Where?
14 ?
417 Fred Boyd
935? But I know his face
593 looks to me like Jeff not Ray
695 Terry P
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Hi Wally, 123 is Eric Harrison and 895 is George Heggie, 57 is old Bill Brunton BWP, 149 is Doug Platts on Elstar, 800 is from Canberra or South Coast but I think you will find its also Boxers Creek and old Terence P. No 1 is John Walmsley on a 250 Kawasaki and Steve your mum told me that you did that
Yeah Ian, Eric Harrison is right on, I forgot George Heggie and I new his passenger at the time but can't remember now.
Eric H was a force to be reconned with on tar as well as dirt especially at Oran Park.
I'll dig out some more old shots that I took when I find 'em. Those were all taken by Ron Clark.
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Talking to Don Greig today sent me looking for this photo, taken by VSRA Sec. and St George clubmate of mine , Billy Powell, of the dummy grid at Surfair Speedway prior to the Vintage Short Circuit and Speedway
" Demonstration " that I wrote about , some time ago, in the Vintage Track / First Sliders thread.
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L to R Dave Clifton, Evo Speedway, Cootamundra's Warren Crapp, Kevin Patton in the background, old mate in the black leathers rode a Rotrax JAP, yours truly on TD's Sandracer 84S, and vintage Speedway Sidecar owner Greg , holding Dons BSA.
Unfortunately Don is not in shot , but we may see him here this weekend to go to Ash Suttors Speedway Museum in Bathurst.
Oh yeah, a forum member's KTM in background ?, foreground ??,no prizes for guessing who !!
Foss
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dont know who but it's Amaroo
And he's on a rigid Triumph twin !!
Foss
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dont know who but it's Amaroo
And he's on a rigid Triumph twin !
And the bike appears to have a very desirable set of Webco handlebars. Tres Cool ;D
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dont know who but it's Amaroo
And he's on a rigid Triumph twin !
And the bike appears to have a very desirable set of Webco handlebars. Tres Cool ;D
Talking to Don Greig today sent me looking for this photo, taken by VSRA Sec. and St George clubmate of mine , Billy Powell, of the dummy grid at Surfair Speedway prior to the Vintage Short Circuit and Speedway
" Demonstration " that I wrote about , some time ago, in the Vintage Track / First Sliders thread.
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Thse were the days eh!
Love the line up of the ESO/Jawa next to a JAP next to a great looking iron BSA! Those old beezas went so well in classy competition!
Wrapped cheers pancho.
L to R Dave Clifton, Evo Speedway, Cootamundra's Warren Crapp, Kevin Patton in the background, old mate in the black leathers rode a Rotrax JAP, yours truly on TD's Sandracer 84S, and vintage Speedway Sidecar owner Greg , holding Dons BSA.
Unfortunately Don is not in shot , but we may see him here this weekend to go to Ash Suttors Speedway Museum in Bathurst.
Oh yeah, a forum member's KTM in background ?, foreground ??,no prizes for guessing who !!
Foss
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This is as good as it got.
Looks pretty stylish though.
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Who, where & when?
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I'll start off with a couple of "whos", #92 is Wagga's Loyd Richards on his Hagon Speedway Springer and, of course, #30 is Watto.
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291 - Kevin Condron, 92 - Lloyd Richards, 13? - Michael Stormonth & Wato of course.
Don't know where though.
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I well remember Lloyd Richards little giant killing XL250 Honda slider (Elstar?). After the inaugural Aussie Classic Dirt Track Titles in West Wyalong in '94 I accused the bike of being a bigg'un in the press but upon tear down it proved to be OK. I later apologised to Lloyd over a beer in the Condo bowling club and wrote a little piece setting the story straight in ADB.
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Must be Oltimers or something, how did I forget Kevin Condron's number ??, from Wagga as well, Kevin rode in the inaugural South Coast Cup in the mid nineties, as did Lloyd and I'll never forget the bit of biffo dished out on the speedway bend at Canberra, years ago, when Kevin got speared into the fence along with the lad that caused it !!
Foss
Going by the track surface , It's not Griffith is it ??
Foss
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That's a top shot of you on the Gally XT , Steve, as well as the one on the Zook but ya should loook where ya goin' not where ya been !!
Must get a copy
Foss
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Going by the track surface , It's not Griffith is it ??
It could be Griffith but I think it might be West Wyalong. ::)
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I love that photo. Two more mature gentlemen and a couple of young guns. One goes on to become probably the greatest slider/dirt-track rider in Australia.
I think early '80's maybe'83. Might be at West Wyalong and Aussies vs ?
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I'm thinking Griffith, taken on that cleared area behind the starting grid.
I have only been there once and have been wrong before.
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Yeah Slides, that was where I was thinking cos where the cars are parked looks wrong for West Wyalong.
Pete or Lenny will know.
Mark, you're right about the mix of experience and raw talent in that shot, I would like to know a bit more about the meeting etc.
And I think Watto is the best !! saw him at Nepean a couple of years ago, still as fast , still as smooth.
Foss
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This arvo, Pete sent this photo, courtesy of Lenny Norris, to me. I think it is an absolute pearler of a shot !!
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" Seems like another life ago, me on a 500 Godden on a Hagon speedway springer, well before the classic movement."
Pete and Colleen are off to the USA end of this week and , like last year, they will send pix etc to me and I will post them on the forum, I hope they both have a great time, and I'm really looking forward to following their progress.
Foss
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What a great shot, let me guess, Griffith?
I hope he lost those green leathers, supposed to be bad luck is green, brother Carlos even went to the trouble of cutting any green out of stickers.
I really upset him when he first rode one of Ivan's factory Jawas at a Longtrack meeting in Canberra, I deliberately hung a green wragg out of my back pocket, he wasn't impressed, I nearly lost another tooth.
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Yep, got it in one Slides, Griffith it is and Lenny's comment to Pete was " Saving the front tyre , were ya mate ?? "
Foss
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I got this photo, courtesy Greg Summerton, from the JAP Engine facebook page, I would kill for an 8/80 engine !!
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From Greg Summerton
Tony West and Rob Brown on this Summerton engined 8/80 JAP powered sidecar won the annual Mildura Wintersun Classic last Saturday...soundly beating the Vincent oppostiion 3 times out of 4 while the others fell by the wayside....some of them literally. That makes 3 very happy people...and one relieved person, me.... Great to see an old JAP still beating up the Vincents!!!
Listen to it being warmed up , before going into battle, here,
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Foss
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That is a great shot of Peter Lee at Griffith.
Yeah Slides the green leathers were a bit in ya face but mine were yellow!
Don't know which were worse........ yeah the green ones by a mile ;D ;D
p.s. my favourite color was green back then :o
Mark
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Yella n green, should never be seen.
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Green never bothered this guy, what a rider.
Sorry guy's, it was a classic photo of the late Longtrack/Grasstrack/Speedway legend Simon Wigg, he loved is Green leathers, obviously it has been copywrited.
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Every one of you eder statesmen should know thes two also!
Any takers? who are they?
cheers
The late Col Evans Followed by Graham Bartholemew
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I was looking through my photos, trying to find a shot of a very early MCC of Canberra rider, when I came across this photo, It was taken at my return to racing meeting at Surfair Speedway, Moruya in '93 or '94, but the important thing to me is , it was taken by # 800, Don Greig, who has been mentioned on this thread, an A grader of the '70s who took up photography.
The notes on the photo were put on there by my son , Brian, # 453, a bloody good racer in his own right and has won the Glenn Gall Memorial race on his TT500C. Brian still owns the bike, also a TT500C, I am pictured on.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/TT500.jpg)
Foss
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Good one Foss.
cheers
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The " Flying Fossil " , I bet the hair on the back of the neck bristled when you found that.
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This photo in my humble opinion, is probably the most famous photo from Short Circuits history.
Courtesy of the man himself.
Can anyone tell me the story behind this image?
Not you Buckets, it's too easy for you.
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Bill McDonald, 1971, St Kilda S.A. after winning the title.
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So how'd ya go on the old thumper Foss? I still find it hard to believe people can make those things go so fast...
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I got this photo, courtesy Greg Summerton, from the JAP Engine facebook page, I would kill for an 8/80 engine !!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/JAPSpeedwaySidecar.jpg)
Foss
I swung on that bike for Tony west in one of the Ikon Grand slams ealier this year, well until the outfits upright snapped. You would be surprised how much grunt that things got and its not a ringing vibration its more a pulling rumble.
Fun bike but get it wrong something that heavy ontop of ya, well some less fortunates have found out. Runs electronics and power commanders, cases, barrles etc etc all hand built frame hand made by Tony.
Tony aslo has a super charged BSA project bike he take to prac days, that both he and rob fly on, think the super charger came off a cessna plane from memory.
anyway back to the Jap, you dont need to kill anyone Foss, greg can build you a brand new one, think there $20K.
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Who Where When
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you guys remember stan bear ? rode short circuit in the 70's, tivoli etc went on to race speedway for Au, and in the uk for poole pirates i think
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Tivoli 75 ? #A8 stan bear #54 Kerry Gray #366 Geoff Martin #77 Trevor Williams(I think) #70 Chris kelly
Stan RM125s Suzuki at MX, and 360 husky (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/17840_1287519741120_3222052_n.jpg)
Suzuki RM125S at MX..Tivoli
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Kawasaki KX250 at Short Circuit
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Yep, used to ride at my home track, Action Park. If I remember right, around the same time as guys like Matt Daley etc. The shot of the wheelie even looks like it could be at Action Park.
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Close but not quite the whole Cigar Mark ( Slider29 ).
It was 1970, Terry Poole collected the old toilet seat from the nearby tip and placed it over Billy's neck as the winners " Laurel's ".
Bill retained the seat the next year at Tivoli in QLD then got to return the privilidge to Terry at Amaroo in 72.
I know Kieth Davies won in 73 at Seymour but off the top of my head I have no idea of it's history from there on.
Billy's grandson won the same title in Bris just a few weeks ago at the age of 16, as a result Bill is on the search for the whereabouts of the famous seat.
It's probably in landfill somewhere but it'd be interesting to trace how far it was actually passed on down the line.
Spread the word.
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Who Where When
'You know who' at "Fishers leap" circa 1960. In the days when the only factory machine was a Jawa piloted by Les Fisher.
cheers pancho.
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Amaroo circa 1960
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Hey Steve, tell Bill if I remember right Steve Regeling got it at Cameron Park I think 75-76 but wasnt to impressed and I cant think of any other time I can remember since then.
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Thanks Ian, given Billy lives in Qld that's probably the best place to start.
Landfill is still my bet.
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Slidey....Those Amaroo shots would be closer to 1970 than 1960. Methinks around 1968.
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Hi
Tamworth Motorcycle Club recently held a 66 year reunion and we have a public site at http://www.facebook.com/TMCCReunion which has a few dirt track pics from the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. You don't have to be a Facebook member to view the pics. There are about 400 photos (not all dirt track in 2 sections) on the site and it might bring back a few memories for you guys. We had a brilliant night with over 180 attending. A good contingent from Narrabri including Ron Campey, Ian Blair and Mark Willis and his mum also attended. We collected a heap of photos which have been posted, but we still have some that we haven't posted but will do so in due course mostly from the 60s at Nemingha.
Cheers Derek Mc.
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Close but not quite the whole Cigar Mark ( Slider29 ).
It was 1970, Terry Poole collected the old toilet seat from the nearby tip and placed it over Billy's neck as the winners " Laurel's ".
Bill retained the seat the next year at Tivoli in QLD then got to return the privilidge to Terry at Amaroo in 72.
I know Kieth Davies won in 73 at Seymour but off the top of my head I have no idea of it's history from there on.
Billy's grandson won the same title in Bris just a few weeks ago at the age of 16, as a result Bill is on the search for the whereabouts of the famous seat.
It's probably in landfill somewhere but it'd be interesting to trace how far it was actually passed on down the line.
Spread the word.
Hey Sreve,
I think Tony Lacey may have the seat. I know he has one but I'm not sure if it's a replica or the real thing. I'll give him a call and find out.
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Yeah Pete please do, I understand he may not want to part with it but maybe we could borrow it for a few photo's. It'd be good if we could get a hold of it before next weekends King of Nepean meeting.
Cheers mate.
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That would be grouse if Tony has the dunny seat! Can only hope
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Hey Dexter, I rode at a meeting at Nemingha at a championship event I think it was about '61. There was a strong Merrylands club turnout for the event. A heap of us went in the back of a new EK Holden P/V.
My friend Fred Boyd won the Senior 'B' event after out riding Len Main and Harry Pine.
Would love to see some pics from about then! Cool!.
cheers pancho.
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Hmmm, Interesting
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/JAPdouble.jpg)
Photoshopped , no doubt, Now where did I put that tin of Nitro ?? Dirt Drags , anyone ??
Foss
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L - R, Billy Mac, Jake Allen, Terry Poole.
All Oz DT champ's, Billy 70/71, Terry 72 & Jake 2012.
And a replica of the seat, courtesey of Tony Lacey through Peter Rowland and Terry McKay.
Look's like Billy has started going to my dad's barber.
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(http://i46.tinypic.com/25so9c4.jpg)
Billy with the original.
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??? No fair foss
Hmmm, Interesting
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/JAPdouble.jpg)
Photoshopped , no doubt, Now where did I put that tin of Nitro ?? Dirt Drags , anyone ??
Foss
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2 SA MX legends mixing it up at Easter Port Pirie easter longtrack about 1985.
Andy Haydon 15 riding for Cornell Suzuki leads David Footner 5 on another RM 250. they both went into battle for a SA MX title shortly after and Footie came out on top. NICE TO SEE THE SLIDER WEDGE IN THERE NOT SURE WHO THAT IS.
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/553335_444809602220454_421205563_n.jpg)
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Stay tuned,..... there are some pics coming
Seymour, Young, Euroa and ROMSEY!
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Looking forward to your images from Seymour, Young and Romsey Slider 29. Never went their and dont know why but have it in my head that Romsey was grass.
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Yep , Romsey was grass
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Len Norris has posted a heap of great photo's from the 80's on Facebook, Watson, Boyce, Wiltshire, Stephen Davies, Horton, Caslick & heaps more.
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Found this on the JAP Engine Facebook page,
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Hagons.jpg)
Looks like an very early Hagon Sandracer with the small ,full width front hub
Foss
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Close but not quite the whole Cigar Mark ( Slider29 ).
It was 1970, Terry Poole collected the old toilet seat from the nearby tip and placed it over Billy's neck as the winners " Laurel's ".
Bill retained the seat the next year at Tivoli in QLD then got to return the privilidge to Terry at Amaroo in 72.
I know Kieth Davies won in 73 at Seymour but off the top of my head I have no idea of it's history from there on.
Billy's grandson won the same title in Bris just a few weeks ago at the age of 16, as a result Bill is on the search for the whereabouts of the famous seat.
It's probably in landfill somewhere but it'd be interesting to trace how far it was actually passed on down the line.
Spread the word.
Hey Sreve,
I think Tony Lacey may have the seat. I know he has one but I'm not sure if it's a replica or the real thing. I'll give him a call and find out.
Hi Everyone,I'll just add a bit about the "dunny seat " Tony Lacey won the U/L title (+ seat ) at Seymour 1979,The next Year it was won by Ian Williams at ACUSA PARK,1980 in Adelaide. Maybe Taffy Williams would know where it is,as I don't think it was at Cameron Park in 1981 ! Taffy is on my Facebook friends list but nver uses it ,perhaps get in touch with Kev Patten. I will post a photo Julie took of Ian. Cheers Len Norris
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Ian Williams 1980(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy282/godden79/th_img158.jpg) (http://s800.photobucket.com/albums/yy282/godden79/?action=view¤t=img158.jpg)
Sorry guys,Can't seem to get this photo Larger ??
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Click on the pic and it will get bigger ;)
Cheers KB
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Here ya go, Lenny
(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy282/godden79/img158.jpg)
Foss
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Is that Taffy Williams kid?
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Yes, Taffy is the late Ian's father, somewhere , way back in this thread, I posted a shot of Taffy and Ian at Kempsey in 1978?? maybe 9.
Foss
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Thanks KB & Fossil,
How did you do that Foss,I tried 3 times to upload it that size ? Did you copy it to a new post ? Anyway,I have put up a few old photos on my facebook page (a couple of different albums), just Friend Request ! and i'll add you if anyone is interested, bit of a mixture fromthe seventies and eighties,I'll scan more as I get time Guys.Having fun with them,
Cheers Len ;)
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No probs, Lenny
I just copied the image code from your photobucket album, the one with the Hejisun, and pasted it in the reply.
By the way,I've got a pic of yours of Bob Sunderland, at Condo, with me and Lloyd havin' a yak in the background, is it ok to post it up here ??. Rod McDonald sent it to me, somehow, Tagged it ,whatever that means !!!
I don't do facebook all that much, but I'll have a look for yours tomorrow
FOSS
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Yeah Foss, go for it mate, these old photos are better up for everyone to see instead of in a shoebox somewhere ,Its just easy to put them in an album of facebook then load them on the forum one at a time.I might get faster at it with a bit of practice Ha Ha . :-\
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Click on the little pic that Len posted and then on NEXT (top right) and what do we have here? a HEJISON 500 I believe. Good on ya Lenny
regards Mark
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Hey Mark, that's what I did to find the photo of Ian, I'll get round to your pix shortly, as soon as I've worked out the bulk uploader thingy.
Foss
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OK, while we are talking about the Hejisun 500, most of us would know the name came from two brothers who built the engine, HEctor and JIm SUNderland, here's a photo of the other Sunderland brother, Bob taken at a Condo Classsic meeting.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/BobLloydandmeatCondo.jpg)
Bob Sunderland was always there at the early Riverina centre meetings, a hard trier, he had his share of wins and offs, but always came back grinnin'.
He later went into promoting Longtrack meetings at Wagga Showground and Yarragundry.
Havin' a yak with Lloyd Richards in the background is yours truly, red scarf an' all.
Many thanks to Lenny for the photo
Foss
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An interesting look into the old ideas, it is supposed to be a 2 page spread.
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Aussie Legend Ray Owen at Romsey Victoria grasstrack.
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Slides , the gospel according to Alf from 1963 is a beauty !! ," Leaping and Landing" !!!
His skeleton rear brake plate, brake shoes showing, is the same as the one fitted to my 4B Grasstracker so mine must have bee an early one, I think the rear wheel was from a BSA, sprocket integral with the brake drum. KB , that's a top shot of Ray Owen , I only saw him race once, at Bendigo Longtrack, awesome !!
Here's a shot of another Southerner, Garry Chasemore, I have a feeling the pic was taken at the Morgan Mile, but it could have been Romsey.
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/GarryChasemore.jpg)
Foss
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A few weeks ago, Mark, Slider 29, entrusted me with his collection of Short Circuit photos from the '70s, I'll admit to being a bit slack and idle posting them up but the pix evoked many, many memories of good times and a couple not so good, anyhoo ya get that, so here we go, be patient there's a shitload of pix so I'll hafta work through them from time to time, can't rush things ya know !!!
Here's a few from Young in 1976
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Mark #29 with #114 Dave Mallett, and # 32 a rider from Albury Wodonga with his Dad,
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Outta the Gate and #408 with the hole shot is Max Gill, I'm sure. Next to camera is a TT500 engined Hagon
Oh Yeah, I nearly forgot, second from the outside, red helmet, black leathers with yellow stripe is a young Lenny Norris
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Young763.jpg)
JAP power !! Mark with his JAP just doin' what a JAP loves to do !!
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Young764GH.jpg)
Here's a young bloke who burst onto the scene after purchasing his Godden Jawa from the touring English Test team.Griffith's Garry Harriman only knew one speed, flat out !!
Talking about flat out, Young was one of mine and Marks all-time favourite tracks, about a Mile around and ya reached speeds of 100 MILES an hour down the looooooong straight YEEE HAAA.
Foss
PS, Got interrupted by a phone call. is that called Postus Interruptus ??
There are many more of Mark's photos to come , so bear with me, as the ad says " But Wait There's More !!"
Foss
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Alf's starting position would be interesting and I liked the insight into leaping & landing a Hagon, the Grasstrack's in England are a bit up & down.
Great photo's, thanks Mark & Foss.
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I've stuffed up again!
I'm attempting to put up pics!!
pancho.
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I DOOD IT!
Charity day at Nepean.
Leo Pretti seated, Leo's son inlaw back to camera, Ray Curtis on right.
CHEERS pancho.
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whozat
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That looks like the former Gimp A.K.A C3, sliderulz
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What do you mean former Gimp, at this stage I'm still gimping, at least my handicap's have been caused by accidents. ;)
That's disgracefull Punchy, I look fat.
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Whozat ??, Howzat, ya mean Pancho, dont ya ?? isn't it the Umpire giving someone out ??
Naah, it's just the lighting and the camera angle, Slides, you're just a well rounded gentleman of a certain age !!
Foss
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can't believe that #19's justa TS185 Billy Dillow was riding,my ossas' clutch was slipping pretty bad,the only time i got close was change of direction through the esses,out of respect i only showed my f/wheel through there,then Billy up & retires,stating it was his final DT meeting,still a smooth operator, 8), :P
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Steve what you mean lookFAT!
Curly the svelte one
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Steve what you mean lookFAT!
Curly the svelte one
Boys, boys, boys.....,.you're both amateurs in the fat department compared to moi! (although I am shrinking!) ;D
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Keep up the good work Firko.
It must be difficult to keep trim taught and terrific when you have been basically out of the action for a fair while!
cheers pancho.
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I thought you just wore baggy clothes Firko.
Mate you're looking a little trimmer every time I've seen you lately, I know some of the weight loss has been because of illness but look at that as an added positive to come out of your health struggles.
Next year we can do the dirt drags in joggers, hopefully we'll both be walking normally by then.
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Righto, here's a few more pix from Young in 1976, the Young meeting at the Wambanumba circuit was traditionally held on Mothers Day, why ?, I haven't a bloody clue !!
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Garry Chasemore on his 250 Bully
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Don Stafford on his Elstar or Alstar JAP, given the date of the meeting, this could be the bike fitted with the 4V pushrod head that was discussed on the Vintage Track thread
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Young768.jpg)
Griffith's Rod Mcnab# 113 leading an Albury Wodonga rider on # 32
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Mark, Slider 29, giving Sydney A grader Kevin Kessing , mounted on his brother's, John Kessing's bike some hurry up
A couple more pix to go from Young, then where to next ??, Seymour, Euroa or Griffith ?
I'll hafta toss a coin or something !!
Foss
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Keep em comin, Rod Mcnab's been giving Pete a bit of friendly stick on facebook.
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Here's the last two of Mark's pix from Young and a bit of a rave on from me
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Michael Cady heading down past the pits, some TQs in the background
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/Young7610.jpg)
Mark having a bit of a spell next to his Ossa and JAP musta been before the races.the bikes are clean
Looks like #541 in the background is using the top frame tube as the fuel tank !
All these pix, thanks to Mark, got me thinking about Young, here's a bit of a yarn about me at Young
Y’know, posting these Young Short Circuit pix of Mark’s got me thinkin’. As I said before, some good memories of Wambanumba and some not so good.
The good ones, where do I start?
Top of the list, as a C grader, was watching the late Geoff Curtis there as he blasted his way around Young. One tight corner at the top of the hill before you went down past the pits, most guys including me, braked hard on the way in then on the gas out of it. Not Geoff, outta the right hander before this corner, he never even shut off, full noise, out in the cushion, spraying dirt into next week !!!, One day, One day !! , I says to me-self !!!
Then there was Charlie Edwards, bloody hell that man could steer a slider !! Watching him off the end of the main straight was something else again. His bikes were always VERY quick and he did a lot of the engineering on the motors himself, cast his own barrels and heads etc.
As a rider, he never gave an inch and he was a great guy. He borrowed some bits off me JAP at one meeting, couldn’t thank me enough. As a lowly C grader, Charlie and the rest of the A graders were like Gods to us young fellas.
And what about the Pom Vs OZ Test matches there?? That wasn’t Short Circuit racing, that was bloody WAR !!
Slides has got a DVD showing a big Pom/ OZ prang in one of the Test matches off the end of the main straight, no place for the faint hearted , I can tell you.
There was great camaraderie amongst the riders, as there was at most Short Circuit meetings
OK, the not so good,
A mate lent me his Mantossa chookie to ride in the 250 C grade, got some BP Zoom for it on the way down. Didn’t go too hard in the heat and semi just made sure I got into the final. No need to show your hand early on, ya know !!
At the start of the final I got the hole-shot an bolted. Three or four guys slipped past me into turn one, so I rounded them up in the twisty bits and got back onto the straight in the lead. Only two got past me on the straight that time but I could hear the pack coming like a swarm of bees.
Into the twisty bits again, I gotta get a real good lead this time and got it going onto the straight, head down bum up, here they come, but I gottem !! Into turn one flat stick, and the world turned upside down an any which way. The photo of the prang made the Area News. Bloody bike was stompin’ on me , upside down!! in all the tactics, I’d forgotten I was on a chookie not me Hagon !!!
When I came to, the Ambos were there. “ Where’s me bike?” says I. “Forget it, Sonny” says the man in white. “ You ain’t riding anymore today, you’ve been unconscious for five or ten minutes”. I still have the scar and lump under me chin to remind me.
EA, in the pits, is having fits, ‘cos the announcer is sayin’ things like , “454, Garvey’s down on turn one, it looks bad folks ,he’s not moving !!” Did I get an ear-bashing from her on the way home!
Fast forward a couple of years and it’s the ’75, I think, NSW Titles at Young. I’m a B grader by then, Elstar 4B JAP, flash leathers and all. EA didn’t come to this meeting, bro Jim and me Dad did.
In the Unlimited, I drew a good heat, not too many top guns in it, got into the semi, and then made the final. “Phaark” thinks I, this is the big time, gunna have a real good go at this one. I front to the start line, hangin back a bit so me rear wheel doesn’t spin up on the oil from the total loss system. Other riders playing head games, got called to the line, into second gear, staged, all fired up then they called the start off, @#$@#, back into neutral, to save the clutch, paddled backwards to get out of the oil. They call us up again, flag goes an I’m still in bloody neutral, jammed it into second and gave chase. Got the shits big-time, out of turn one I’m fourth, got into third place going up to the left-hand sweeper, Langy is out in front, bolting. I pushed the guy in second all the way onto the straight. He clamped me down in turn one, so round the outside I goes, got him !! Into the sweeper sideways, flat in top, and this bloke tries to push up the inside, collects the inside of me front wheel an OVER she goes, OTB goes I. Don’t remember much but it seemed forever for the world to stop spinnin’. The bike stomped on me a few times, broke a few bones and put others out of place. Me helmets rooted, the front wheel spindle is back past the JAP’s crankshaft, all the guards are buggered, front wheel like a pretzel, and when I came to, old mate in white is trying to cut me leathers off !!
“Leave them.” says I. “Your going to hospital was the reply” Not bloody likely !! “Me missus will get them off me, then I’ll go to the Docs”. Didn’t tell him it was 150 or so clicks back home, middle of winter in a leaky old Studebaker Lark station waggon with no heater. Shit I was cold when I got home.
EA got me leathers off, after giving me quite a serve. Took me to the Hospital next morning where they put a few bones back in their rightful place, an’ they gave me a serve as well !!
Aah well, we’re still here and EA and I are still best friends, AND we’re still hangin around Dirt Track, It doesn’t get much better.
Foss and EA
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Great photo's and an even better yarn.
Short Circuit has withered a bit and the more stories from the "glory" day's the better I reckon.
SC/DT is on the rise now and we need to catalogue what those times were really like.
Even Buckett should have a few, hard enough getting some photo's out of him let alone a few words. ;)
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'Onya Foss
cheers
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Took me 2 hours to do this! and I couldnt get it full size or straight!
Geoff Curtis at Oran Park mid '60s
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Noel Gaddes Muswellbrook '63
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Check the date!
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I'd love to see that shot of GC blown up.
That's pretty much how a Speedway rider would ride road racing, right elbow up for better control of the slide.
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Bloody hell Pancho,
I was at Oran Park that day and GC was throwing that Trumpy sideways into CC corner like he was on a dirt track, when asked about his, uumm, Flamboyant!! style, GC replied " I had no * @#!% brakes left"
I will never forget that day.
Thanks Wally !
Foss
Wally, If you can email me that GC photo as an attachment, I'll see what I can do with it.
Foss
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I've heard stories from the older gents about G.C's road racing skills. I talked to a bloke just the other day who was in England with Geoff and he reckoned he was just the best. What a Legend.
regards Mark
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That is style 8)
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Wow, KB that's great.
I'm gunna print it out on photo paper and frame it, I was somewhere to the right of pic waving a flag for the day, awesome to watch !!
Oh yeah, I think the corner was called Energol not CC in those days,
Foss
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its someones back yard now all houses there on large blocks.both sydneys road racing tracks have gone that way.
jim
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Yeah Foss, def BP Energol corner, plenty of guy's went into that fence.
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From memory Foss Geoff was riding a rigid MAC Velo that day with oil leaking onto the rear wheel! I suspect anyone else would have pulled into the pits!.
If I can figure how to make this damn equipment copy slides like it's meant to do I can put this pic up from the original slide which is better quality.
I think the Triumph you were referring to may be the Bonnie riden by Ray Curtis. I will never forget the sight of Ray coming into Energol corner on that monster using up all the track!
cheers pancho.
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By the way, thanks KB.