From what I hear maybe even Chris Watson?I've heard from a few different sources that Chris Watson isn't sailing too well healthwise, anyone know anything more? We're going, it should be brilliant.
Maybe the old legend Casey stoner may now have time to attend..You can bet Bayliss is tying to get him, you never know...
Yeah, Johnnyo, I'll stick some dollars on young Herfo,too, he's pretty good at the Motard style stuff.He's a weapon at both dirt track and motard stuff.
It's gunna be a ripper of a meeting by the sounds of it.
Foss
You're not wrong ,JohnnyO, saw him win, on a KX 500, our South Coast Cup track meeting at Sapphire Speedway, and the Kings and Queens Dirt Track at Fairbairn, beating Rod " Rocket" McDonald on his Jawa, I was the commentator for both meetings, and saw him give an MX legend a lesson on how to take left handers at Motard.Yeah, Johnnyo, I'll stick some dollars on young Herfo,too, he's pretty good at the Motard style stuff.He's a weapon at both dirt track and motard stuff.
It's gunna be a ripper of a meeting by the sounds of it.
Foss
Yes i had the pleasure of working with Troy when he was on the Husky race team, him and his father are good people.You're not wrong ,JohnnyO, saw him win, on a KX 500, our South Coast Cup track meeting at Sapphire Speedway, and the Kings and Queens Dirt Track at Fairbairn, beating Rod " Rocket" McDonald on his Jawa, I was the commentator for both meetings, and saw him give an MX legend a lesson on how to take left handers at Motard.Yeah, Johnnyo, I'll stick some dollars on young Herfo,too, he's pretty good at the Motard style stuff.He's a weapon at both dirt track and motard stuff.
It's gunna be a ripper of a meeting by the sounds of it.
Foss
His Dad, Mark, is no slouch either, but when Troy gets that Gunfighter look in his eyes, ya better watch out !!!
A top young fella , too
Foss
The only disapointing part to the excellent meeting earlier this year was the pre 85 roll-up of which there were 2 bikes , an early 70's ossa and a 80' Rm that was running crook ! the rest of the fields had good numbers and top racing , so any pre 85 boys out there looking for a great weekend on a great track - dont miss this one ! (check out pics in above link) :)
It'll be cool to see him and Gunter on the track I reckon. Wonder how quick they'll be up against all the young guns... Got my ticket booked :)Gally will be quick no doubt, not sure how Grunt will go..
Is Gunter riding ??Yes
It'll be cool to see him and Gunter on the track I reckon. Wonder how quick they'll be up against all the young guns... Got my ticket booked :)Gally will be quick no doubt, not sure how Grunt will go..
there are six oil tracks still operating in NSW despite the knockers attempts to get them banned !!
I am really peed off that EA and I cannot get there, it's gunna be UNREAL !!!
You can over oil tracks and they become like bitumen. :-\ my opinion is that that aint true DT.
From what I've seen recently and I certainly haven't seen all Tracks, Griffith pretty much have the oil to dirt ratio down pat.
Just look at the tracks that don't use oil and the amount of water & time "and money" they have to put into it to get through a meeting.
Water is getting scarce but, the amount of readily "available" oil is only getting bigger.
Well, Xmas and New Year have passed. Now it's time to get serious about TB Classic.........so far 2-NINE-7, SlideRulz, Alvin and Mrs Alvin are going. As Mia and I live at Terrigal, when going North, we usually meet Sydneysiders at the Caltex Twin Servos on the expressway just north of Wyong. We are going up on Friday 18th, so we need to know who wants to join us and departure times.....we are open to suggestions.
To get things rolling :-
1. Mr and Mrs Alvin on the Triumph leaving Friday
2. SlideRulz ( car or bike ? ) leaving Friday
3. 2-NINE-7 on the Suzuki leaving ( Friday or Saturday ? )
4. ?
5. ?
;D
Leaving on satdy morn by car, don't have a road bike.Are you aware that racing starts 10am saturday..
Taking a few others up with me and looking forward to it bigtime.
Step 1 in the process of putting DT back on the map.
How are you going Johnny O? How long does it take to get there from Brissy? What's the program for racing?It's about 7 hrs from Brissy. There is a full program with most classes, you'd have to have a look on the TBC facebook page for more info..
Is there anywhere to pre buy tickets?On the Troy Bayliss Classic Facebook page. They are expecting it to sell out.
I herd from a mate that the track is not good for spectating and worse if theres a huge crowd and I say there will be.
I have never been to the old bar track so I am only going off what he told me ???
So you may have to get there early to get the best seats,
I think johnny o was there a week or so ago he may be able to give a second opinion.
I herd from a mate that the track is not good for spectating and worse if theres a huge crowd and I say there will be.I was at the practice at Kempsey last week, never been to Taree track but have heard it holds less spectators than most tracks.
I have never been to the old bar track so I am only going off what he told me ???
So you may have to get there early to get the best seats,
I think johnny o was there a week or so ago he may be able to give a second opinion.
My man on the ground had Josh Hook, Chris Hollis(??) and Josh Brookes going mighty fast.Unfortunately no pics or videos but Jason Crump doubling Paul Caslick with Paul at the controls showing Jason how to back it in SM style...... ;DBayliss and Kirkness were right on the pace too, Hollis adapted quickly.
Army was just in, he's all excited....I've lent him a spare rear wheel.....I hope it's being videoed.What? Not going John? It's really not that hard crossing the Coolangatta border, you don't even need a passport I've been told. ;)
Visiters from Aeoteoroa arrive Saturday unfortunately Mark.....I'd come but the ear bashing and divorse would not be worth it....I'll be there in spirit at least....not happy Jan.You're soft..
Where would I fit in the dutchies shed?....too many bikes and I'd probably end up with that Maico disease.....makes me shudder just thinking about it.... ;DMight cure some of your other fetishes ;)
Good stuff, be cool to pull crowds at every club meeting! Maybe they should tour it?Slides was saying that was being considered, I hope that comes off !!!
Is there any TV crews filming the event. I know some of the riders a going to wear gopro's hope we get to see some footage. Regards Les
Hey Alison, I managed to open the vid, Ya need a program called " Quicktime "
Foss
What was Mick Kirkness riding, CR500 on 17's?Rmz450
his old KX500
I gather that was you Johnny helping Jason out?Yeah that was me, you should've come over mate, I ran into a few of the vmx guys thru the day. Crumpy enjoyed it and definately got quicker as the day went on. He's keen to do more and will be better at the next one.
I meant to come over and say g'day but the day was filled with bumping into old mates and long chats.
You're 100% correct, very different for Crumpy but I thought he went pretty good and certainly got faster as the meeting went on, the footage from his go pro would be interesting, good on him for having a go and I'm sure he'll enjoy his " Retirement ".
Crumpy is quick on a Dirtbike,I don't think he has mate..
He has ridden Flattrack in the UK,
I'm pretty sure there is Youtube video of Crump riding an indoor short track.You're right i just watched it but it's not exactly dirt track as we know it, no front brakes and no right hand corners..
I am sure Kenny Russell's family has the bikeYeah, I forgot it was Kens bike. Let's hope it's seen in action with either of those great racers on board her.
Grabbo's got a bit of class, eh, Shaun !!
Top pix
Foss
Yeah Grabbo's a great bloke and it was great to see him out there again.Yep, Grabbo certainly is a great bloke. When his now way more famous son Ben was a little tyke riding a tricked up KX60 he told him to call me Mr Firkin and not Firko or Mark. To this day Ben still greets me as Mr Firkin (with a wry smile, of course). Grabbo raised him and Damien to ride all aspects of bike racing and to be gentlemen and they're both very good at both. I just hope Grabbo doesn't ride that Fugly Ducati at too many of these proposed 'twins' events.....it's way too ugly.
Nepean will put their hand up to host a round of the big twins, they are working on opening up the Longtrack again and there is an already established 400m Shorttrack.
Nepean will put their hand up to host a round of the big twins, they are working on opening up the Longtrack again and there is an already established 400m Shorttrack.
am sure Kenny Russell's family has the bike and I'm sure Wato or Lovett will ride it in the "Old school" Twins,I was told this morning that Watto bought the big Godden twin off Kenny Russells widow, don't know if my informant was on the mail or not. He'd tried to buy the bike but was told it'd been sold.
I have a brand new Trackmaster XS in pieces, Ray Hensley sold it to me in pieces so I could copy it,SON,if you look closely at my Trackmaster in the photo below you'll notice that it's got a variable height swing arm pivot. It's one of only two made by Hensley and Clyde Williams to experiment with frame tunability. In the end they figured it wasn't needed so it never went into production. My frame went to upstate New York for ice racing duty with a Shell XS750 Yamaha motor and the other TT500 powered one is still owned by Clyde. I was going to fit the Benelli engine but once I found out how rare it is I'll use what it was made for, an XS650. I've got a really light home made frame I got from a guy in Texas that I'll chop up for the Benelli.(see bottom). The Benelli has a deep sump that means I'll have to take out the bottom rails to clear, as can be seen in the shot of Gene Hartlines Trackmaster Benelli. I couldn't bring myself to do that to a genuine Trackmaster.
Come across a few pics with the so called riders jumping the start.It was a forward falling gate about a foot high and Phill Lovett jumped clean over it pulling the biggest jump start I've ever seen!
What start system did they use at Tarree last weekend ??
cheers A
Yeah Johnny and in the spirit of the event they let the race go on, the guns soon caught him.yeah I think it was, he had half the field banked up behind trying to get thru
Race 1 if I remember right?
Gally raced Taree yesterday and Kempsey today in preparation for the classic. He said the bike is good now after a few changes..There's a pretty good chance that Gally will be riding my Yamaha Shell 750 Yamaha OW72 in the classic 750 class next season and Peter Goddard will possibly be riding Edgar Phipps identical OW72. The big bike dirt track class is looking like its finally going to take off.....fingers crossed.
Hi Just wondering if there is anyone out there that would like to be a flaggie at the Troy Bayliss Classic on the 18th January 2014. At Old Bar raceway.
Please contact
Lyndel Butler
It's Masa's skills on the tar that impresses me and a few other casual observers,Getting Masa's drifts on tar is important as well,
Wednesday the 15th will be worth a trip to Barleigh Ranch / MX Central for a Masa / Paul Caslick Flattrack School / Media event.
Maybe try to get the guys onto Cameron Park GoKart as well.
Have their opportunity to film some of the Worlds best riders tearing up Barleigh Ranch on some Flattrack Twins,
D Get to ride the Twins themselves as publicity for next years planned meetings.
Too Early yet,
Waiting till during/after TBC to put it all together
Lots of interest by the right people
So whaddya reckon Firko, can he ride OK?Just a bit ;)....he got of the 'plane from America and went straight to Bankstown, did two or three sighting laps on Tony Garard's unfamiliar Honda and then he cut 6 laps that had everyone literally gobsmacked. He was rocket fast and as an added bonus he's a nice, quiet little bloke....quite friendly and willing to answer questions. Jaded old me was pretty impressed.
some action from the Superprestigio to whet your appetite (skip to the 4.00min mark) To give you an idea of how big motorcycle racing is in Spain this was broadcast live on telle, the whole thing heats and allRash statement #473: I can see this type of racing challenging traditional speedway over the next decade. I love traditional speedway, the bikes and the history that goes with it but this short track stuff has the added attraction of the bikes being built by the big manufacturers and being identifiable to the average spectator as something similar to what they go trail riding on every weekend. Once the factories start throwing big dollars and the TV networks get involved I can see it going off like an Atom Bomb. Another aspect that will also help is the American involvement. Even though Americans have done well at traditional speedway over the last three decades, it's still a comparatively unknown sport in that country for a few reasons, the most obvious being that they didn't invent it. Love them or hate them for it, most of Americas sporting passions go into sports that they invented like Baseball, American football and in motorsport, Nascar and oval flat track. Sports developed by 'outsiders' are played, and they're successful at them but the real passion is in their home grown pursuits. Now, with the American market being the biggest and with most aftermarket motorcycle parts manufacturers and corporate entities that support motorsport being US based, the sponsorship dollars will go into a sport where Americans can be successful on a world stage. One only has to look at how motocross exploded in the US once their riders became competitive and started to beat the Euros. I predict we're about to see a similar situation arise with short track and possibly half mile and mile on another plane. We've already got Red Bull and Monster Energy pumping millions into it and as we can see with the Spanish video, the recent big meetings in France and the UK and the Troy Bayliss build up it's already snowballing outside of the traditional American flat track market. The next five years are going to be very interesting.
can't see any of the imports beating guys like Kirkness, Herfoss, Bayliss and Caslick. Sure they're good at their discipline but it's a different kettle of fish racing on the grippy oiled dirt with lefts and rights and front brakes.. Just ask CrumpyI agree (sort of) John until you see video of them racing TT which is essentially pretty much the same as our dirt track, although I agree that Old Bar's oil surface is a leveller. Kirkness is still the one to beat and I can't see Masa cutting it in this field.
Old Bar is quite different to what they're accustomed to.. But I could be wrongIn reality, Old Bar's different to what everybody's accustomed to, except the ones with a bit of local knowledge. It'll be interesting to see. You going Johnny?
Look at my Facebook or Flattrack live Facebook for link to NBN TV FootageQuoteOld Bar is quite different to what they're accustomed to.. But I could be wrongIn reality, Old Bar's different to what everybody's accustomed to, except the ones with a bit of local knowledge. It'll be interesting to see. You going Johnny?
Yeah Firko I'm helping Dave Armstrong and Crumpy..QuoteOld Bar is quite different to what they're accustomed to.. But I could be wrongIn reality, Old Bar's different to what everybody's accustomed to, except the ones with a bit of local knowledge. It'll be interesting to see. You going Johnny?
Ta for the heads up Johnny but I have no idea how to contactI have sent a pm regarding a ticket. Would like to know before taking off if you have one for me.
Brad.
Bags packed, flight to Newcastle, car organised. Woo Hoo!Dropped Sammy's tyre pressure 5 psi
Cheers, Grahame
Bags packed, flight to Newcastle, car organised. Woo Hoo!Sammy Halbert has a friend landing in Newcastle at MidDay needs a lift to Taree
Cheers, Grahame
GO ALVIN!!!!!!!! The Flying Eggplant ;) Have a ball mate and stay safe. Don't forget your camera.
regards Mark
Flattrack live Facebook for link
Awesome meeting and great result for Bayliss. Sammy the yank was fast and impressive..
Dave Armstrong was happy with some good rides in the Legends.
Whats the go with you dirt track gurus that last week didn't rate Bayliss and Herfoss? 1st and 2nd!!
Just watched the live stream and that was some serious racing, pissed off I couldn't get there.All of the Aussie guys had trick engines including Crumpy and Watto and Sammy would be 50kg ringing wet, he got good starts and you don't do that on a slow bike.
Sammy was awesome and I hope you can get both him and Masa back out here again Graeme.
TB deserved his win but lets do a HP comparo.
Great to see Wato & Crumpy more on the pace compared to last year, class never goes away.
How did Darcy pull up?
You're onto it Foss.. Hard to believe no one else rated him, he was a close second last year after beating Kirkness in a couple of heats and he was second again this year after not racing since the 2013 TBC 12 months ago!Awesome meeting and great result for Bayliss. Sammy the yank was fast and impressive..
Dave Armstrong was happy with some good rides in the Legends.
Whats the go with you dirt track gurus that last week didn't rate Bayliss and Herfoss? 1st and 2nd!!
Backed young Herf last year and this as well, though didn't reckon on the other Troy. !!
Foss
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action sequence of 'masa' thru turn 2 at classic cheers g.
geezas,the classics were all penrith club,justabout :D,i can see alvin still hasn't perfected his starts ;D, :PI don't think any others were given the chance to ride, certainly no one from Interstate..
It would have been unbearable in the sun early on without it. A lot of ring in's also made use of our shade. No one was told to move on.It was unbearable Lindsay, I wish we'd have run into you. I had my Quickshade in the car but by the time we got there it wasn't worth unpacking it. Because of commitments at home I couldn't get up there on Friday to set up camp like many must have. If we had set up on Friday or even at 6am there's no way I'd even consider roping off our area for our own exclusive use. The people next to us had their area roped off and were as comfortable as shit sitting in the back of their ute on comfy chairs under their Q-Shade while Slakey and I burned up in the open 2 person wide area next to them. They were nice people but I feel they were a tad selfish hogging 5m of area for just four people and 2 German Shepard dogs. The bloke on the other vside was just as inconsiderate. While he didn't have a Quickshade he had a series of beach umbrellas mounted on his ute tray. When a mate asked if he could stand in the shade of his brolly for a little relief the bloke rolled his eyes and reluctantly let him in for a minute or so of relief from the heat. I know I sound like a whinger and I don't want to detract from the brilliance of the meeting but the attitude my friends and I copped from the Quickshade hogs protecting their precious piece of turf and the non thinking attitude of my neighbours in turn one put a damper on what was otherwise the best racing I've seen in ages..
I would not be the one to tell Troy that Olster cant ride in Dads event or Jamie Stauffer that Max cant,
Tommy Edwards won last year then went to the US and won 2 AMAs on Hunter Goodwins bikes
this year Hunter and his dad and mechanic came here and rode Tommys bikes
These people are friends with Henry and Sammy
this event has had good coverage in the US courtesy of Miriam from Flattrack Live
and combined will do lots for US v OZ Flattracking in the future
I had to get Sammy and Masa some track time so I hired Barleigh Ranch, I invited 6 kids that I assist to a Flattrack School so they could learn from these stars, Paul Caslick and Stephen Gall (who is OK following his crash as is Masa) Coached these kids and another 6 that paid for the chance, it was one of the best things I have done in Motorcycling and we will do that again.
SURE you didn't pay to watch kids but maybe the event would not exist if it wasn't for kids
Maybe it was Ollie that got Dad back into Dirttrack??
How was the Evo class invites handled?Yes Dave it was organised by Roy Gay.
Was it Penrith boys only, what is the story?
Well 9 aust classic dirt track titles dosen't get you an invite , what hope have you got .You won 9 gdr? If so I guess you should be a definite starter!
Speaking of the Evo class....how did Purple Dave scrub up? He had a bit of a hard tumble off the SC500 near where I was spectating.
I wasn't there to see it, but let's be honest - 30 year old bikes, many (most?) with drum brakes, with trials tyres ridden by blokes probably in their 50s are not gonna cut it speed wise against pretty much anything else. The Evo class would be for interests sake only really. If you want fast old bikes, let them run anything pre 85 or pre 90 with open slather on wheels/tyres and hire some young guns...I don't agree at all, plenty of 50yo guys on Evo bikes can put in quick laps on a dirt track. The tyres were a factor but that can be fixed along with a quality field of bikes.
Good onya Alvin!Speaking of the Evo class....how did Purple Dave scrub up? He had a bit of a hard tumble off the SC500 near where I was spectating.
I'm fine Mark.........the bike took most of the impact........broke the clutch lever, but had a spare, so things were sweet.....I wish I'd been allowed to run my Mitas 2 Plys......the front just gave way and down I went......however, I was out real wide......later Masa lost it in the same place.......maybe it was too slick out there........
To some , my performance might have seemed ordinary, but I was only drafted in a few days before the event, due to an injury........I replaced No 333, Wayne Lorenzi, who was listed in the program. My bike is Pre Evo and I did not ride at the practice day earlier.........I was gating well, but in my first 2 starts, had to run onto the grass to avoid riders getting WAY OFF line...........by my 3rd and 4th start, the track had got quite bumpy in turn 1 and the SC 500 suspension and poor tyres meant I had to take it carefully, or end up in the Emergency Clinic !!
Having said that, the interest shown in my bike and the other Evos was ENORMOUS, throughout the day, and speaking to Troy, he was very happy with our input to the meeting..........
I agree with you Mark, the addition of Old School Twins next year is a must.......I'm sure Troy will agree......
I was just happy to return to this great track after 40 years absence and be a part of this WONDERFUL event and I can't thank Roy Gay enough for the late call up......... ;D ;D ;D
I wasn't there to see it, but let's be honest - 30 year old bikes, many (most?) with drum brakes, with trials tyres ridden by blokes probably in their 50s are not gonna cut it speed wise against pretty much anything else. The Evo class would be for interests sake only really. If you want fast old bikes, let them run anything pre 85 or pre 90 with open slather on wheels/tyres and hire some young guns...
I was not there but it seems to me that if some hot shot turned up on a slider fitted with a modern non-methanol burner power plant say Honda or Yamaha we may see a spectacular return of the slider class.
Apart from that I didn't miss being trackside for this great event in the heat 'cos I have vivid memories of riding Old Bar circuit 40 odd years ago this time of the year, it felt like I was getting sunburnt through my leathers!
cheers pancho
Don't quite understand what you mean about the tyres
Bayliss and Crumpy used 18" dirt track fronts...
Even if you had a fleet of xr750s etc with gun yesterdays heros on them they would have been reeasonably slow without the modern wets, just look at Cam Donalds day with 19" dirt track tyres.
Excuse my ignorance, aren't sliders allowed to race short circuit anymore?Of course they are allowed to race Ted.. I spoke to Chris Watson about exactly that on saturday and he said the modern 450's are too good now that you wouldn't bother..
Sliders are short circuit IMO
I can still remember the first time I saw them at Nepean.......
A full grid of sliders with the gun riders on them at the T.B.C. ???????? I wish!!
Would like to see a slider class
Have to agree Grant, with names like Watson, Wiltshire, Boyce, Tim Hunter & Tony Primmer.Sliders would be great but for one thing, they're not that great on oiled tracks. Two things actually.....We can't get them to turn up on tracks that are suited to them so it's wishful thinking expecting them to turn up for TBC. Most of the great slider riders have hung up their leathers and there aren't
I'm sure there's other slider riders from that great era but the crowd would love it.
Them things are far more exciting to watch than a jacked down MX bikeYou obviously weren't at the TBC on the weekend Ted. It might have changed your opinion on that.
No not at all. I've seen plenty of MX bikes doing short circuit. Doesnt interest me. I'd rather watch paint dry.You got no idea Ted how good, close and fast the racing was not to mention all the stars from different facets of the sport all on the track at once. I too have seen plenty of Mx bikes on dirt track but this one is something special!
No not at all. I've seen plenty of MX bikes doing short circuit. Doesnt interest me. I'd rather watch paint dry.You got no idea Ted how good, close and fast the racing was not to mention all the stars from different facets of the sport all on the track at once. I too have seen plenty of Mx bikes on dirt track but this one is something special!
Who's the chap that went to the U.S
Sorelegs I'm not an armchair critic I'm out there racing all the time, vintage and modern. I'll bet I've done more racing over the last 10 years than you have so pull your head in! And I'll happily race those guys, I've raced Roy many times in MX and am more than capable at Dirt Track.
Step outside the little circle you live in and come to Qld if you want to see some trick bikes and good riders that you'd have never heard of.
Let the bikes run with some better tyres or even allow an 18" front, it costs begger all to lace up an 18 front and use K180's front and rear.
3. To keep it close it was decided that we should all be on the same tyre and a deal was sought. The only taker was Shinko.
Hope you Shitbox Nazi's are at the Post Classic MX Titles to make sure all machinery that attempts to enter meets the required standardI don't think anyone made a conscious effort to call the Evo class bikes at TBC shitboxes Shaun, the quality of some of the bikes was pretty damn good, especially yours and Goolies. My 'dogs breakfast' quote was in reference to the mixture of classes presented under the Evo banner. As a true vintage enthusiast I'd have preferred to see a whole field of bikes like yours and Adrians or perhaps a field of pre 75 .....whatever, as long as they were the same 'style' of bike. As a showcase for our side of the sport it presented as confusing to the non vintage aware that made up the majority on the mound. Long travel, short travel, framer flat tracker, 2 stroke, four stroke, pre 75 (Dave) were all thrown in under the loose Evo category. If it looked untidy to me and my vintage aware mates, it looked confusing to the non vintage punters. I found myself trying to explain the bikes to my neighbour in turn one but couldn't really work it out myself. This and others comments shouldn't be taken as criticisms of Roy, you or anyone involved personally, you blokes did your best with what you had but to be honest it wasn't vintage dirt tracks best showcase.
guess most know my opinion on the tyre issue, I cannot see the problem with the Pre 85s and Evos running the same tyres and fuel now as they did when they were the moderns, makes sense to me !!.I wasn't aware of the tyre rule....What's the score with tyres? Why couldn't you use 2 ply trials or flat track tyres?
Wish someone remanufactured the old Carlyle claw pattern in various compounds and sizes. What about allowing the modern 19" s pattern tyres, as close as you can get to the Carlyle with better compound choices than an enduro or trials tyre and speed rated. Look just like a K180 but heaps better performance.Karl Muggeridge was using a 19" dirt track tyre that looked just like one of those Carlyle's. Bayliss and Crumpy also tested them so they're around.
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As far as using control tyres to prevent racers using 17's, maybe I'm a bit daft but wouldn't putting "no 17" wheels" in the sup regs be a simpler, cheaper and more sensible way to go?
That's the one Firko, far more sensible.
Foss
Sort of similar to thoseHere's some from my tyre stash, is this the Carlisle you mean Steve?....top 350x19 Pirelli MT53, Middle, 350x19 Carlisle front and bottom 400x19 Carlisle rear. I used the Carlisle 350 front for 20 years mounted on my Maico 350 and it's still quite supple believe it or not, as is the Pirelli front which was on my Cycle Factory flat tracker when I got it.
QuoteSort of similar to thoseHere's some from my tyre stash, is this the Carlisle you mean Steve?....top 350x19 Pirelli MT53, Middle, 350x19 Carlisle front and bottom 400x19 Carlisle rear. I used the Carlisle 350 front for 20 years mounted on my Maico 350 and it's still quite supple believe it or not, as is the Pirelli front which was on my Cycle Factory flat tracker when I got it.
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Fair enough Shaun, I was just reflecting the Evo show as a spectacle.....I'm in no way doubting your or any of the boys commitments to the event. As far as using control tyres to prevent racers using 17's, maybe I'm a bit daft but wouldn't putting "no 17" wheels" in the sup regs be a simpler, cheaper and more sensible way to go? I take it that you guys used the same tyre restrictions as used at Temora so why couldn't you use Michelin Vee Rubber or Mitas 2 ply trials tyres? None of this tyre shit makes a bit of sense to me.I have Mitas ! Maxxis and Dunlop 19"s in stock.QuoteWish someone remanufactured the old Carlyle claw pattern in various compounds and sizes(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/goldenboytyres_zpsacaa72e6.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/goldenboytyres_zpsacaa72e6.jpg.html)
Are these the type of "claw pattern" tyre tread pattern you speak of Steve? A number of different companies make them, Golden ,Feichi, Kenda, CST, Diamond, Great Runner...all apparently from the same Chinese factory. There are apparently even more with a slightly different thread.
I'm about to order a pair of these 140/80X19 and 130/80X19 Mitas flat track tyres for my 750. I tried to get Maxxis but they're hard to get in 19" at the moment in the USA let alone here in Oz. Col Moody on here handles the Mitas . I've bought a few trials 2 ply's off him over the last couple of years and he's great to deal with. The Mitas are a fair bit cheaper than the Maxxis too.
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Well, I have just read from page 20 through to 26 and find the posts some have made to be in very poor form. Just to highlight a few JOHNNYO "Quality of bikes pretty ordinary" " international race not a club day" " better quality field" FIRKO " dog breakfast of classes, presentation and riders ability" DAVIDMC "alot of fast guys who would have liked to race" GRAEMEM " hire some young guns" 090 "showcase the best bikes and fastest riders" "shake off the old shit box stigma that is associated with our sport". You all say that you love the sport and hope to have more classes in not only the TBC next year but in all events in general, but all I get from all the comments is the opposite. Who would want any of the people bitching and moaning at any event in the future. JOHNNYO & FIRKO you say these are not personal attacks on anyone involved & your not doubting the boys committment but that's exactly how your comments came across. Most of the riders have read these comments are are very disappointed. Troy Bayliss himself came and congratulated the boys and was thrilled with the races they rode but I bet if he reads these comments he wouldn't be too thrilled that such a successful outing for the evo riders as he put it has been so negatively discussed by a few. Having been in the pits when the spectators were allowed in, the comments made and the photo's taken were all extremely positive maybe the whingers should take the old saying on board " IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING NICE DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL" because your opinions are bringing our sport down not showcasing it as you all seem to want to do.All I can do then is apologize for offending. I thought I raised perfectly good ways of making our sport look better to the unconverted. That's what a demo is all about in my eyes. A form of recruiting to keep our sport alive. When I used the term shitbox I was paraphrasing the unconverted.Not my own words. But I stand by my comment of (imo) the fact there should be 12 well presented bikes and 12 good riders on board for next year to show that these old bikes really are as good as we all think they are. I would also like to apologize to Roy Gay who was in charge. Good on him for taking it on and it's obvious he did a good job. It is expected that you can't get everything right first time, the tyre choice is the perfect example. So next year one would assume that they get the flick for something a lot more user friendly.
Hope you Shitbox Nazi's are at the Post Classic MX Titles to make sure all machinery that attempts to enter meets the required standard.I couldn't be further from a keyboard racer for one, and I'm not too shabby on the limited dirt track I have ridden either.
It is after all a National Title meeting and not just a demonstration event and should showcase our sport. Can't have anyone think you can just rock up and ride on just anything now can we.
And I am really looking forward to seeing all these fast Old Blokes on Evo's at the next CDT Titles. Or are they really only fast on their keyboards?
BTW here's a pic of the shitter I rode at Taree. Better get the wallet out!
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FFS
Constructive critisism should always be welcomed david, does anyone know who Geebob is?
I have a fair idea.