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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lozza on September 30, 2009, 07:40:39 am
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The long awaited Ducati Press release has hit inboxes, explaining the 'mystery' illness that caused Casey Stoner to sit out 3 GP's. Much to the disappointment of countless internet forum 'experts' the dianosis was not "Rossi-itis' or an excuse to get out of a watertight contract. The problem was low sodium levels and low blood pressure, combined with over training. His weight is back up to 60kgs(?) and looking to end what he described as his 'longest ever period of not racing'.
Will make this weekend's GP a bit interesting
FULL STORY HERE (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/welcome+back+stoner)
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I just hope he 'hits the ground running'. He got a lot of fences to mend including the fans, Ducati and Marlboro. Even allowing for the fact he was suffering mental and physical fatigue he didn't handle the situation well. The best answer for that is a win ;) :D. If he is at his bet I think he is capable . Here's hoping 8).
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Great to see Casey is back. I love watching him race, he has to be one of the most commited races I've ever seen and I mean commited in a racing sence, doesn't matter what bike bike he's on he really chucks the thing in there and just hangs on for the exit ;D great to watch!
I can't imagine the pressure these guys must be under physically and mentally. I was lucky enough to go over and travel around with HRC for a while back in the Doohan era and as much as I had a ball the "Pit Life" did my head in and I was happy to come home. It was hard work being a nobody over there let alone having journo's, sponsors etc etc hassling all day. Unfortunately there is no option these days just to be a great rider, you have to be a great personality, media speaker, negotiator etc etc. Thats what I suspect has done Casey in, not the racing but the lifestyle.
Lets hope he is straight back on the pace, I don't think he has to mend any fences with Ducati though, he still is the most successful modern rider they have had and despite missing 3 races is still the leading Duke in the points.
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quote:I can't imagine the pressure these guys must be under physically and mentally. I was lucky enough to go over and travel around with HRC for a while back in the Doohan era and as much as I had a ball the "Pit Life" did my head in and I was happy to come home. It was hard work being a nobody over there let alone having journo's, sponsors etc etc hassling all day. Unfortunately there is no option these days just to be a great rider, you have to be a great personality, media speaker, negotiator etc etc. Thats what I suspect has done Casey in, not the racing but the lifestyle.
ditto mick22 and those pit girls with very little clothing on ::) ;) ;D
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I don't see what fence Casey has to mend, Ducati/Livio Suppo have publicly stuck by him through it all. Due to the nature of his forced withdrawl led to frenzied speculation. If he had a broken arm or leg would Marlboro started thrown money at everyone? IMO Marlboro shot themselves in the arse with the big offers(I bet Jorge was happy) and the public "we want an apology' hissy fit.
How would the situation be handled better ?Hold a press conference and say "I'm going away for a while barramundi fishing?". There was no mental fatigue either that was pure speculation.
He usually fronts up at the first GP or test is on the pace.
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Shit hot i will be at the island cheering him on,hope he gets back on the pace quick he was awesome there last year . Go Stoner.
hilly
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"As expected, Casey Stoner's return to the MotoGP paddock at Estoril generated a genuine media storm. Wisely, the Marlboro Ducati team chose to put on a special press conference in the team hospitality unit, to field questions from the press and provide an explanation of the current situation.
Press debriefs in the Marlboro hospitality unit usually involve a couple of handfuls of journalists and the odd stray photographer, but not so on a hot and humid Thursday afternoon. Almost everyone with a press pass and twenty or so TV crews packed into the shiny red unit, as Livio Suppo, Casey Stoner and Filippo Preziosi faced the media.
Team boss Suppo opened the session, welcoming the prodigal Stoner back to the Ducati fold. "Today is a very good day for us. Casey's back." Suppo said. He then went on to express his support, saying "We understood the situation and we totally support Casey."
Suppo then turned to his rider, and Casey Stoner - looking fairly healthy and much more relaxed than he did at Donington in July - proceeded to explain what had happened, and why he had chosen to miss three full rounds of MotoGP. Stoner made it clear from the outset that it had not been easy: "For me it was a very difficult decision to make," Stoner told the media. "Basically we went back to Australia after Donington just to get an understanding of what's going on, to see some more doctors and hopefully go in the right direction. We were planning to come back after Brno, but unfortunately we didn't find any solutions in the short time available. And we had many recommendations from my doctors, and my wife, my father said enough, you've got to have a time out. So the decision was made just to spend three races away. There was never going to be more races away than those three, and already for me, missing those three was a really tough decision. It was a decision that I wasn't forced into but was highly recommended to take by everyone."
Stoner went on to say he had spent all his time consulting his doctors. "During this period we did everything we could, from seeing the right doctors to doing the right things, being on the right diet, to try and increase the levels which the blood tests were showing was a little bit low. So we will just have to see over this weekend how I perform, and how things compare with the last tests."
Stoner emphasized that the team had been fully behind him. "Everyone's been doing the best job that they can, including myself," he said, and added that he had been apologizing to his team since the race at Barcelona for not being able to be competitive. Stoner then went on to apologize formally to his team. "My first apology is to my team, to everyone. Hopefully we can come back this weekend in a positive frame of mind and be competitive again. I've been away too long from the bike, and I really miss it."
Stoner also revealed that he had found it immensely difficult to miss the races, so much so that he couldn't bear to watch them on TV. "I didn't want to watch the races, I just wanted to find out the results, it was too hard to watch" he said. "Even now, it feels like I've missed out on so much."
Stoner spoke of some of the avenues the doctors explored in trying to get to the bottom of his problems. "We went off lactose, we went off gluten for two or three weeks, to try and get a reaction from that. Unfortunately, medical things take some time to understand them. You need to get things out of your system before you can get other things in your system to see if it works. We've found recently that I've had quite low blood pressure and low sodium levels so we're trying to increase that to see if that helps. We might have found something with lactose, a lactose intolerance to some degree, so I've gone off lactose to see if that helps." Previous tests for lactose intolerance had been inconclusive, due to Stoner coming down with the flu directly after switching back to eating foods containing lactose, making a proper diagnosis impossible.
Stoner dismissed rumors that a bad diet may have contributed to his illness. "We haven't changed my diet because I already had a good diet before, but we're trying to change it to put things in my diet that will put something in my system to help me pick myself up again."
When asked how he had spent his time away, Stoner said that it had been a mixture of rest and light exercise. "For the first month there was complete rest, there was no physical exercise at all," Stoner told the media. "After that we started training lightly on the bike again, I was out there with my trainer, and we did a good week or so training. Basically just light stuff, just to keep the muscles working, because after so long off the bike, the muscles are going to be sore and tired. After the exercise, we still found the same problems, I was still running into that wall, and we couldn't fix it."
"We had a lot of doctors on the case, they can see the problem. We had heart tests as well, because they thought my heart might not have been working properly and I could have had a heart failure, and they can see that in my fitness level just drops off after a certain degree. My heart rate won't go above a certain level, even when I'm pushing it. So we're looking to see if there's something which isn't being absorbed enough in my diet."
The good news was that Stoner was starting to sense some improvement. "I myself feel better, day to day even, and really we'll just have to wait to get out on the bike to see if it has improved. I think even with this track, we should be at a better level than at the earlier races."
Stoner mocked rumors of his retirement, saying that he had laughed at how quickly they had appeared. "I heard on day 3 of Brno that I was retiring," he said. "It's pretty immature of people to spread these rumors." His intention, he kept repeating, was only ever to take 3 races off. "I am looking forward to my future, especially if we can sort this out," Stoner replied to questions about his motivation to continue. "I'm looking forward to this weekend, because it's been too hard to be away from racing. It only takes you a couple of weeks away from racing to realize that this is what you really want to do and what you want to get back to doing."
Stoner also dismissed rumors of problems between himself and Ducati. Stoner told the assembled media that it had been his decision to handle the situation as they did, and concentrate on getting better in Australia without assistance from Ducati. "It's difficult for people over here to understand that being away from the sport meant I had to be away from the sport. I had to sort this out on my own. If I'm not here racing, what reason would there be for me to be in contact with the media and everyone here?"
Nor had he been upset by Ducati's approach to Jorge Lorenzo. "It's understandable," Stoner said. "It was no problem for me. There was an opportunity there, I'm sure a lot of riders were speaking to a lot of teams; it was that part of the season." But Stoner was clear on where he wanted to stay: "Ducati know I'm happy here, and they know I'm happy with the work they've been doing."
He also explained that part of the lack of communication was down to the remoteness of Stoner's house in Australia. "Mobile phones don't work where I live," he said. "So I was out of contact with everyone until the doctors appointments."
When asked whether his problems could have been caused by stress, Stoner replied that he did not believe this was the case. Any stress he may suffer, he said, was solely down to the pressure he puts on himself, one factor which the doctors did identify. "They said over-training, things like this. Maybe pushing myself too hard," Stoner conceded. "My biggest critic is myself. All the pressure comes from me, I don't feel pressure from elsewhere. If I'm not getting results, the biggest problem I have is myself. I'm disappointed in myself. This is what confuses some people; when I'm interviewed after the races, even when I win, when I don't look so happy it's not that I'm not happy, it's that I'm disappointed that I made a mistake or I don't believe I rode the best race I could. This is the only criticism that I could have. It's definitely not a problem of pressure.""
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/10/01/the_stoner_press_conference_i_ve_been_aw.html
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thanks mx250..
Casey is hard on himself.Hopefully the break has done him the world of good 8)
cheers
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thanks mx250..
Casey is hard on himself.Hopefully the break has done him the world of good 8)
cheers
Seems a pretty frank, honest and informative interview - typical of Casey. One of the reason I respect him so much.
The most effective way to silence the critics (mainly those freaking moronic Pommy gits ;)) is a strong performance. Bring it on Casey, bring it on ;D.
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"True to his word, Casey Stoner returned to the paddock this afternoon. He looked happy, and a little heavier than when we last saw him, but the mystery of his physical condition is still there.
Casey has seen an array of doctors, been tested for everything from heart problems to lactose intolerance, yet still there are no solid answers. This, reckons Casey, is because there is no one single factor that has caused him to hit the proverbial wall mid-race. He emphasized time and time again that it was his decision to take the break, he has now not ridden a bike for nine weeks. Phrases like "I wasn't doing enough", "it's my problem, I need to fix it," "we had the bike, I didn't have the stamina," and "it seems like I'm useless" peppered a good-natured press conference that went on for what seems like hours but went over the same ground repeatedly.
The condition persisted back in Australia even after a month of complete rest, light training would bring on the symptoms. However, Casey reported that in the last week and a half things have improved considerably. He also refused to be riled by Ducati's contacts with Jorge Lorenzo, describing them as "understandable."
Casey couldn't resist having a dig at the press for some of the wilder rumors that circulated and made the point forcibly that he has a real, physical problem, not a stress-related condition. He also said he didn't watch the races he missed on TV, largely because he doesn't have TV or a mobile phone where he lives.
To show how happy they are to have him back, Ducati have accelerated development of a new fairing which will now be debuted this weekend rather than in Phillip Island. "This is the way of engineers," said Fillipo Prezioso, "to give fairings not flowers.'
The other big news is the arrival of Team Texas at Tech 3 Yamaha next year. Nicky Hayden's view is that Spies "belongs in MotoGP."
"Another great rival for next season," said Valentino who admitted to being surprised that Ben was coming but agreed it was the right decision. Jorge Lorenzo agreed: "Class, a very strong character." However, the general warning was don't expect to do here what you've done in Superbike.
Finally, someone asked Rossi why F1 gets a much bigger audience than bikes. "A lot of people watch F1,' said Vale, "but more than half are asleep." Cue laughter."
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Oct/091001-ridernotes.htm
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Go Casey Go!!!
Do it your way and bugger the detractors, your not out of the cookie cutter mould that they seem to crave, and good on you. Who cares if the press don't understand, they have such limited imaginations that if it isn't spelt out in black and white they can't digest it. Their problem, not yours.
Remember that the press had similar problems [their words not mine] in understanding both Gardner and Doohan.
The press want their cake and eat it too. They want the riders to be happy and joking and go out of their way to supply material for their publications - heaven forbid that a rider should show preference to their actual job on the track. But then if a rider does give them what they want and then has a few bad races then they turn on them in a flash.
The strong minded riders do their talking on the track and keep the media at arms length as they know it is impossible to satisfy its insatiable appetite. They are paid to race, it is what they do best, so let them get on with it.
As Doohan has shown, even the most prickly rider can show his true personality after he retires.
Go stick it up them [like a big black dog] Casey.
I can't wait,
VMX42
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effective way to silence the critics (mainly those freaking moronic Pommy gits)
;D ;D ;D not to mention a few Australian's with the Tall Poppy gene.
I read where someone pointed out legend Eddie Lawson's similar demeanor but he never polorised opinions like Casey Stoner, Casey's only failing is he came after( subsequently dethroned and matched him in 'psy-ops' ) Valentino Rossi.
Can't wait for Sunday night
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I think anyone that achieves that level of performance in their chosen sport, deserves respect.
I also think Casey hasn't ever been particularly mentally strong but I also think some age and experience might help that along.
It was also good to hear Valentino say that he was pleased to see Casey back and that Moto GP missed him. Whether he meant it or not is another thing, but it was nice of him to say it. ;)
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Maybe Valentino is having second thoughts now, after first quali RESULTS (http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2009/POR/MotoGP/FP2) ;D ;D
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If you missed the result I won't spoil it for you but suffice to say NEVER seen the Ducati ridden that agressively before.Casey also answered a few critics about his layoff HERE (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/10/04/casey_stoner_i_ve_lost_a_lot_of_respect_.html)
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What odds will you give me for PI? ;D
I think he'll be the wild card in the outcome for the WC, I think he'll take points of Rossi and Lazano.
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What's Lazano..is that italian food?
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Lazano is an Italian Porn Star ;D
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He's baaaaack ;D
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/SE5K2246.jpg)
I haven't got full understanding but apparently he broke a foot peg (or the mounting bracket). I don't know how extensive it was or how he surmounted the problem, but to ride a bike at this level with anything less than prefect is exceptional. To run a credible second is, well, incredible :P. Allowing for the foot peg I think Casey's claim that he could have run with Lorzeno is believable. Bring on P.I.
That should stick it up those whinging Poms ;D.
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I doubt his detractors can see much past their keyboards ;D History shows Stoner/Ducati/PI a strong combination..............to say the least. Where Lorenzo finishes in relation to Rossi will add some spice to the championship
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Its on the box right now ...Go Casey
Believe the guys from WA who are attending are having a hoot 8) :P
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and he does it with style, although the little shimmy half a lap from the end had me cringing (he probably didn't even notice it ;D)
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little shimmy---we all stopped breathing :o
and those bloody seagulls too ;D
What a pearlier love the White Aussie 8) :-*
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Was there anyone else racing besides Stoner & Rossy. I think everyone alse was out there to have the best view of the race. 22 secs to third is Bulls**t at this level.
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Pity about Lorenzo and even more so Nicky Hayden who doesn'y seem to be able to take a trick.
Pedrosa was still sore and sorry after his get off, no doubt there is a lot of daylight between the Fab 4 and the rest of the pack.
Although according to UK based keyboard experts 'Rossi let Stoner win' ::)
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Although according to UK based keyboard experts 'Rossi let Stoner win'
What bull. Vale would of seen it as a chance to get as many points between him & Lorenzo.
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I don't normally watch the GPs any more, don't know why, I just seem to have lost interest. I sat with some mates to watch Philip Island on Sunday and really tried to get into it but found to be as boring as batshit. And it wasn't just me, we all found ourselves chatting away, not taking much notice of the action at all.
The death of the 500cc 2 strokers marked the beginning of the end of my interest .......Nothing against Stoner, Vale, Pederosa and a couple more, they're good riders, but the rest of the pack are pretty bloody ordinary. Wouldn't it be great if we could replicate those great GP battles from the 80's and 90's where any of five or six riders were capable of winning at any time.
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To me a race is a race. I will watch any motor racing. Even been involved in chainsaw racing. That race wasnt the most excing though.
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We are happy to get any racing show on the TV... 8)
Might not have been to exciting at your place, but they sure where at the front of the podium... ;D
Took me back to Wayne Gardner days when the whole straight was packed... 8)
Good times and Good racing 8)
cheers
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Maybe it's me....I used to travel to the GPs at PI and the odd overseas race, especially Laguna Seca, went to F1 races as late as last years Singapore F1GP, rarely missed Bathurst, loved the Indycar GP but this year I'm finding find it all such a yawn.
Parity has turned the V8s into slot cars, traction control and drive by wire has taken the spark out of the F1/MotoGP circuses and when a third division racer like Mark Webber can win a GP it says a lot about the talent available in that driver gene pool. When these events became "products" as opposed to a "sport" and the snake oil salesmen (Ecelstone, Cochrane et al) started running things it all turned pear shape. Now I hear that that ridiculous A1GP circus has now gone bellyup owing millions a week or two away from it's debut at the Gold Coast. After watching the first A1GP at Eastern Ck a couple of years ago I predicted it'd last two years before the Sultan of Brunei pulled the financial plug. It was, in a word....crap.
I get more enjoyment at the drags these days. Simple, no bullshit motorsport at it's most basic and raw.
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When these events became "products" as opposed to a "sport" and the snake oil salesmen (Ecelstone, Cochrane et al) started running things it all turned pear shape
Never been a truer word written. Firko,I'm sure you would be disappointed to learn that Eccelstone doesn't actually want overtaking on the track ;D. Much rather it happen in the pits where there is nothing to spoil the sponsor logo's. I would agree that PI and Estoril were not exciting races, but there has been some crackers this year, Barcelona and Mugello to name 2.
The decline in excitement has been mirrored by the escalation in costs(not only for the bike but amount of personel, computers etc etc), Yamaha was going to make an lease engine 700,000 Euro for the year :o. There is no ubiquitous TZ250/TZ350/RS250 that a privateer can use, so it's difficult just to get experience on a MotoGP bike, let alone a decent period for learning to ride the machine at the limit. In the 500cc days the All-Japan 500cc championship was in full swing. If you were good enough you could get experience there (as did most Aussie GP riders) not so these days. Even Rossi says the electronics are too good (he ought to know as he has the most sophisticated package in the paddock), will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle that's for sure.
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I'm glad you said it first Firko as I totally agree.
As a patriotic Aussie I will always watch our GP and cheer Casey on, but as a racing spectacle it has sadly become predictable and the raw skill of the rider has been replaced by electronic wizardry. I know I sound like a dinosaur but there is more one on one ( or 3 ) combat in a 4 lap Speedway race.
Sadly some competitors in the various "Elite" forms of motor racing are only there because of the money they can bring to a team.
In no way do I include Casey in that group because what he has managed to achieve on the Duke when no one else got near it is amazing.
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I go along with all that's been said but doing power slides at close to Km/h on bitumen still needs loads of skill, commitment and big balls. It's easy to knock from the armchair but ask the guy that had a chunk of his elbow worn away or the nearly endless number of riders who had offs over the weekend if it's too controlled. If the bikes were that tech savy no one would fall off.
All it means is they can go faster with more predictability, they still end up pushing and often go past the limit. This is where it's totally different to the cars, if those guys get it wrong they normally just spin off, whereas the guys on the bikes still bounce down the bitumen looking more like rag doll when they get it wrong.
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Not too sure what the power to wieght factor is , but it looked pretty impressive ( power slide ) on TV.
I agree they have got balls to be riding those weapons at such speed :)
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but doing power slides at close to Km/h on bitumen still needs loads of skill, commitment and big balls. It's easy to knock from the armchair but ask the guy that had a chunk of his elbow worn away or the nearly endless number of riders who had offs over the weekend if it's too controlled. If the bikes were that tech savy no one would fall off.
Ditto pmc57
Actually lucky we got to see it at all- as mx racing this weekend was on the Saturday,and TV racing on Sunday-what more could you want ;D 8)
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I ment to say 300km/hr, my brain was ahead of my typing
pmc57
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The death of the 500cc 2 strokers marked the beginning of the end of my interest .......Nothing against Stoner, Vale, Pederosa and a couple more, they're good riders, but the rest of the pack are pretty bloody ordinary. Wouldn't it be great if we could replicate those great GP battles from the 80's and 90's where any of five or six riders were capable of winning at any time.
Hey Firko I totally agree! There's never been anything as special as seeing Scwantz, Rainey (my favourite), Lawson, Gardiner, Doohan, Beattie, even Spencer and Kocinski a few times.
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Watching the race I was struck by how ragged Casey looked and how smooth Rossi looked. Casey was fighting the bike Rossi just sitting there in the earlier part of the race. Also Casey was lighting up his rear tyre very early on. I was surprised that it lasted. I suppose Rossi was too. I dunno whether the difference in styles was due to rider ir the fact that Duke is, apparently, an absolute bitch.
Could Rossi have reeled him in? Pointless really. Rossi's a savvy bugger, Casey had a point to prove and with Lorenzo out why take a chance? Anyway Casey got away in the last ten laps.
Before you guys start throwing furniture at me, I'm a Rossi fan. He's the best thing to happen to bike racing since Sheene. Stoner would be my next bet, along with Edwards. Gotta love Colin. Calls a spade a fu$%ng shovel does Colin.
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Whats the age difference between Casey & Rossi ?
cheers
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Casey-24, Vale-30
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Awesome i was trackside all weekend at the Island and Casey was on a mission and Rossi had a few goes at him but couldnt get past and that powerslide on the last lap down Bass staight was unforkinbelievable . Go Stoner .
Hilly
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Colin has to have headline because he would get no press at all otherwise ;D A end of year test had the Ducati wheelstanding and wheelspinning in 6th at about 250+ kmph. The tester was then asked "Do you want to do a practice start?" (shrug) "well just press that button, hold the clutch in, nail the throttle to the stop and then feed the clutch out, but just keep your finger on the button until your moving"..........Errr no thanks.
It's not that different to a F1 car pmc, try and tell Masa that an your completely safe in an F1 tub.
An oldie but a goodie
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/stoner.jpg)
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How the hell did he see where he was going?
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How the hell did he see where he was going?
that's what I said/asked while watching and hubby said "look at the head movement in the front mounted camera"....... before the next corner,he was already looking ahead.
mind you he should have neck muscles like a rugby player. :o
ultra fit and ultra switched on...no wonder Casey had a few days off earlier in the piece.
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A photo ;)................
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/258595/images/Rossi_Ducati.jpg
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No great dicing but I still reckon it was awesome to watch
Backing it in on the throttle to T3 at Phillip Island... doesn't get much braver than that ;D and the crappy camera angles they have on that corner don't even do it justice!
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Brisbane
Re: Casey Stoner back in action this weekend
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Quote from: firko on Yesterday at 03:55:04 PM
The death of the 500cc 2 strokers marked the beginning of the end of my interest .......Nothing against Stoner, Vale, Pederosa and a couple more, they're good riders, but the rest of the pack are pretty bloody ordinary. Wouldn't it be great if we could replicate those great GP battles from the 80's and 90's where any of five or six riders were capable of winning at any time.
Quote from: Dave
Hey Firko I totally agree! There's never been anything as special as seeing Scwantz, Rainey (my favourite), Lawson, Gardiner, Doohan, Beattie, even Spencer and Kocinski a few times
Quote from Doc right now, I totally agree. I still have many of the 'great' races on VCR. Since the inception of the 4 strokes I've watched maybe 6 or 7 races and taped none. It just doesn't do anything for me anymore :( congrats to Casey though ;)
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I don't deny it takes decent sized gonads to power slide at 200kph and that they have talents that most of us don't, BUT as a spectacle I'd rather watch the 125's.
Don't forget that the electronics help to control that slide.
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Gee, ya a tough audience guys :P.
The World best riders, on the world’s best bikes, on the world’s best track, with the world’s best technicians fettling, with the best of everything that the world’s best manufacturers can muster and manage, with the world’s best coverage, resulting in 45 minutes of over the top, on the limit 100% concentration and commitment, and you are still left jaded :-[.
I suggest you guys get a doctor’s appointment to check that you still have a pulse ;D.
My wife, who is not a motorcyclist and who is not an ex-racer, even she ‘got it’. She could barely watch. She was agitated and animated, she oh’ed and ah’ed, her pulse was racing, she got up, she sat down, she walked around, she sat on the front of the seat, she leant back, and she was thrilled and enthralled. 8) 8) 8)
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Don't forget that the electronics help to control that slide.
That is complete nonsense, the electronics are there for 2 reasons the control of the power mid corner full lean angle, and the control of fuel due to the 21 litre fuel limit. Both JB and Phillipe Presioso (Rossi's and Stoners engineers) say they have the traction control down to 3 on a fast track and 2 on a slow track that's out of 10. They find the bike 'slow' and impossible to turn without sliding the rear tyre. Mat Mladin said the exact same thing.If electronics control the slide anyone would be able to do the same thing but I don't see evidence of that. ;D
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Point taken Lozza, I stand corrected. Everyone has their preference.
Gee Graeme I wish my wife still did all that, apart from Casey & Vale's exploits, please tell me your secret?
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I should add,
Don't forget what you said Lozza, " The control of the power mid corner full lean ", as a "slider" in a past life that to me would " help " control the slide.
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maybe it's the bikes I miss the most :-\ check this small snippet of history with Itoh, Rainey, Schwantz and Beattie. The whole race was like this and typical of the 500's :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glmiU0C-nHI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glmiU0C-nHI)
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The whole race was like this and typical of the 500's :o
You have your rose coloured glasses on; for about 6 years it was a 98% chance that Mick Doohan would win. And the pattern of the win was as predictable as the next step in a dance.
All classes, all formulas go through stages or eras. There was a couple of seasons of World Supers where the lead would change 5 times a lap with 5 different riders contesting the lead. I saw riders come into some corners five abreast and the lead change three times in the one corner. Remember the Australian era of the Flexy Flyers, of Dennis Neil, Roy the Boy, AJ and a host of others, and spectators hanging over the fence. Have a look at the Supers now. So why are things so different now.
What makes the modern era so different is the riders have to be expert in so many different areas of expertise. The great riders now are those who can ride the wheels of a bike, understand their bike and how it is performing, being able to relate that to their crew, to be superbly physically fit, to be mentally strong, to have PR skills etc. And the competition is such that they have to have each 'pigeon hole' full or nearly full.
What we saw at PI is the end product of this distilling process. These two riders are so good if they irk out a .5 or a .05 second advantage over their competition, they will relentlessly apply that advantage lap after lap for 45 close to flawless minutes.
And that what I saw in the race. I'm awe struck; these guys are demigods ;) :D.
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The whole race was like this and typical of the 500's :o
You have your rose coloured glasses on; for about 6 years it was a 98% chance that Mick Doohan would win. And the pattern of the win was as predictable as the next step in a dance.
All classes, all formulas go through stages or eras. There was a couple of seasons of World Supers where the lead would change 5 times a lap with 5 different riders contesting the lead. I saw riders come into some corners five abreast and the lead change three times in the one corner. Remember the Australian era of the Flexy Flyers, of Dennis Neil, Roy the Boy, AJ and a host of others, and spectators hanging over the fence. Have a look at the Supers now. So why are things so different now.
What makes the modern era so different is the riders have to be expert in so many different areas of expertise. The great riders now are those who can ride the wheels of a bike, understand their bike and how it is performing, being able to relate that to their crew, to be superbly physically fit, to be mentally strong, to have PR skills etc. And the competition is such that they have to have each 'pigeon hole' full or nearly full.
What we saw at PI is the end product of this distilling process. These two riders are so good if they irk out a .5 or a .05 second advantage over their competition, they will relentlessly apply that advantage lap after lap for 45 close to flawless minutes.
And that what I saw in the race. I'm awe struck; these guys are demigods ;) :D.
and people questioned why he had time out this year ::) nearly not human :-\
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Go the Aussie Kid...Casey wins again in Malaysia,this time on a red one 8)- love those paint jobs 8)
Valentino wins his title. 8)
cheers
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You sure he was in that race, no one else seemed to see which way he went :D
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The downpour sorted everyone out, funny how the Ducati is supposed to be beast but looks so stable and poised in the wet with Stoner on the bike.
The 250's were a blast (pm me for your black arm band as Velencia is the last 250 GP;D) I can't remember a race that a placing had to be decided on rider with the fastest lap. When a photo finish, gap to the leader, average race speed and elapsed race time were all identical, that is CLOSE.
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lozza
the honda rider is lucky to win as the italian nearly pushed him into the pit wall.that old honda was slower than the gel but he sure can ride clean and smooth,looking forward to the last race the 1 for the championship{go honda).125s were a blast smith is a good rider now all he needs to learn is racecraft as his team mate and world champ was teaching him on sunday.this years racing shows 2 outstanding 125 riders 3 250 riders and of corse the 4 in motogp
cheers
jim
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So what will the 125's be replaced with when they are phased out?
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So what will the 125's be replaced with when they are phased out?
250 four stroke singles
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So what will the 125's be replaced with when they are phased out?
250 four stroke singles
Fark you serious? 250 four stoke going to have the power and speed of a 125? Maybe in motocross but in road racing could be a little different.
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No changes to 125's for the next 5 yrs.
To answer the question NO it never will, the Moriwaki MDH250 raced here in 125 is usually 2 seconds a lap slower then the front running 125's.The dirt diesels need a complet redesign to be used for road racing mainly the addition of a balance shaft.
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Perhaps if they have 800cc & 600cc for motoGP1 and motoGP2 respectively then 400cc twins or fours would be in line with current thinking (would fit the Japanese 400cc market nicely for race replicas ;D)
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why not run 6cly 250 hondas like they used to.hice sound
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why not run 6cly 250 hondas like they used to.hice sound
$$$$$$$$$ :o :o :o :o :o :o$$$$$$$$$$ ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)$$$$$$$$$$ ;D
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Several examples of that bloodcurdling wail on youtube..... ;)
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bump.....oh no :o
crashed in practice. :(
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bump.....oh no :o
crashed in practice. :(
On the warm-up lap ;)
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bump.....oh no :o
crashed in practice. :(
On the warm-up lap ;)
So riders don't return to the pits??? riders just go to there grid positions ??????
cheers
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If he could have remounted and ridden to the pits he would have had to start from there in last place, but his bike was too badly damaged so he missed the start and could not rejoin the race after that.
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OOhh and his team were very happy......not ???
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I waited up to watch and couldnt believe it ,What year he has had . The onboard shot showed just how fast those things can bite you ,it looked like he had a look behind him and that was it highside and flying through air . Tough luck champ hope he has a good run next season coz i like watching on that monster . Go Stoner.
Hilly.
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It seems it was a strategy of being slow away on the warm up lap, drop back and then give the tyre a hard time for the last half of the circuit arriving at the start last and with hot tyres, with the minimum of time on the grid, ready to blitz the first lap. It was a strategy used and agreed to for the last 2 years. I don't think there should be too many recriminations (other than that look over the shoulder ::)).
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Stoner crashes out in Le Mans
May 25, 2010
Casey Stoner failed to finish the Le Mans MotoGP race held on the weekend
Nicky Hayden produced another valiant challenge for a podium position in the Grand Prix de France at Le Mans this afternoon, finishing fourth in a race that saw his Ducati Marlboro team-mate Casey Stoner suffer the misfortune of a crash while trying to close the gap to the front three.
It was an early and disappointing end to a tough weekend for the Australian, who lost the front end of his Desmosedici on the third lap. However, there was still plenty of excitement for the Ducatisti amongst a 82,000 crowd to enjoy as Hayden took the fight to the frontrunners, passing Dani Pedrosa to take fourth place on the final lap, crossing the line just 1.5 seconds behind Andrea Dovizioso in third.
The race was won by Jorge Lorenzo ahead of Valentino Rossi.
"I’m really disappointed because the bike has felt great all weekend, I’ve been pushing the front wherever I wanted but for some reason when the race has come around it felt like it was going to fold," Stoner said.
"It’s something we have to get to the bottom of and we need to do it soon because it is not good to start the season with only one finish from three races.
"I haven’t changed anything with my riding style but if I need to do something then we have to work out what and I can do it.
"Maybe it’s because when I’m behind slower riders in the race I’m not able to put the same pressure on the front.
"I’m not sure at the moment, to be honest, so we need to sit down and work out what’s best for the next race.”
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He does have some problems with the front end, looked to be in very similar circumstances. I would be looking for a return to the GP07 spec that thing was on rails.
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I can see the dollars honda are offering to get his services dropping each time he drops his ducati, good to see nicky hayden getting his head around how to ride it though.
The yamaha still seems to be the best bike still & that really hurts me to say it :'(
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The yamaha still seems to be the best bike still & that really hurts me to say it :'(
Best electronics and chief engineer- Masao Furusawa-san
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whoop whoop yip yip .... ...GO AUSSIE ;D 8)
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Podium of third :P 8)
Support crash was a bit on the yuk side :o 230 an hr
cheers
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Notice how good most of the bikes/riders are?[ In all the classes ]
One tiny mistake and your chance is gorn. :o
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Well it's official Casey Stoner off to Honda next year ! Either in a 1 man Red Bull sponsored squad or Andrea Dovisioso moved to that team and Casey teamed with Dani Pedrosa in the Repsol team.
Only leaves the Rossi/Ducati annoucment.
Ohh looks like my fork prediction came true ;D Apparently the new thicker section fork didn't flex as much and lacked feel, where as the 48mm 09 fork (with the gas cannister behind the leg) had thick wals but flexed more. Soon as he bolted them on the 'old' Casey Stoner appeared.
2011 line up
Honda
Dovisioso, Pedrosa, Stoner
Yamaha
Lorenzo/TBC
Ducati
Rossi/Hayden
Suzuki
Does anyone care???
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http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/09/official_casey_stoner_joins_three_man_fa.html
After months of secrecy, the announcement is finally out in the open. Ducati and Honda today officially announced the news that Casey Stoner is to leave Ducati and is heading to Honda. The move has been expected for a long time, ever since news leaked out after the Jerez round of MotoGP. Stoner's father and manager Colin accompanied his son to the Jerez race, and has not been seen at a race since.
The news is no real surprise: Stoner is known to have a very strong relationship with Livio Suppo, and when the former Ducati team boss left Borgo Panigale to join HRC, he reportedly told Ducati's management that his first target would be the young Australian, and that he intended to bring Stoner to Honda. :o
Since winning the championship for Ducati at his first attempt, in 2007 on the brand new 800cc Desmosedici GP7, Stoner's success - though still phenomenal - has waned. His 2008 championship defense faltered at Laguna Seca and was scuppered by consecutive falls at Brno and Misano, and his 2009 challenge was halted by a mystery illness that was later diagnosed as lactose intolerance. Problems with a different set of forks being used in the 2010 bike caused Stoner to crash out unexpectedly early this season, though reverting to the forks from last year appear to have resolved the issue. Despite the problems, Casey Stoner still has 20 victories in MotoGP, putting him level with the legendary Freddie Spencer.
For Stoner, a switch to Honda would be a return, rather than a new adventure. The Australian rode a 990cc satellite RC211V for Lucio Cecchinello's LCR Honda team in his debut year in 2006, where he made an instant impact, taking pole in his second ever MotoGP race and gaining a reputation for being incredibly fast, but prone to crashing. That the crashes were down to the nature of the front Michelin tires became clear when Stoner's crashing ceased overnight after switching to the Bridgestone-shod Ducati.
Press releases were issued simultaneously by Honda and Ducati announcing Stoner's move to HRC, but the Honda announcement contained perhaps the most interesting nugget of information. In an almost casual comment, HRC vice president Shuhei Nakamoto confirmed Honda's intention to run a three-man factory effort in 2011, hoping to retain both Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso for HRC. Current expectations are that two riders will figure in the Repsol team, while a separate team will be created under Red Bull sponsorship, with full factory support. Casey Stoner's name has been most often linked to the one-man Red Bull team, but given Andrea Dovizioso's long association with Red Bull, it could make more sense for Dovizioso to take that spot.
Speculation will now intensify over who is to take Casey Stoner's spot at Ducati, but the results are almost a foregone conclusion. Apart from some last minute wrangling over alternatives, Valentino Rossi seems almost certain to join the Marlboro Ducati team for 2011. That announcement is likely to come by Brno.
Below are the official press releases announcing Casey Stoner's switch from Ducati to Honda.
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Wow Casey rode the wheels off that duck trying to get past Pedrosa last race but he was too fast out of the corners and miles ahead down the straight . I luv Moto Gp and Casey so i cant till next season with our Boy on a Rocket Yeehah. Moto Gp2 is also a revalation with huge grids making it a awesome spectacle .hilly
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Ditch Moto GP1 - Moto GP2 is the go. Guts and determination and 110% effort = proper racing. Not a technology showcase for a couple of manufacturers which masks alot of the brilliance (and inadequacies) of the riders involved. The old 500's were fun/scary to watch and ride and you HAD to be good to use them. Most racers would prefer a big field with lots of dicing to a procession. IMO 8)
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Ditch Moto GP1 - Moto GP2 is the go. Guts and determination and 110% effort = proper racing. Not a technology showcase for a couple of manufacturers which masks alot of the brilliance (and inadequacies) of the riders involved. The old 500's were fun/scary to watch and ride and you HAD to be good to use them. Most racers would prefer a big field with lots of dicing to a procession. IMO 8)
The on board shots aimed rearwards with the throttle in plain view, shows this to be a myth. They all treat the throttle with great amount of respect. Ben Spies said that the 800's are very hard to ride(as opposed to impossible without electronics) and are not on the same planet as a WSBK. Motocrap2 will be different in 2 years Inonne's Speed Up bike has had some 'professional' help recently and is miles ahead on top speed and drive. A few of the top riders are saying they need more HP as riders have to pull desparate moves just to get past. Someone will unfortunatly be killed or seriously injured in this class before the year is out. There has been 2 instances where riders in the gravel trap have had sliding bikes whiz past them. That is very dangerous.
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Having more power to stay out of the way of trouble is an old chestnut. Everyone ends up with more power so no-one gets away from anyone and everyone is on the same playing field again. Looking at the racing in the 125's shows great racing on similarly powered machines. There will always be riders determined to make passing moves-not always successfully,particularly in large fields. Seems the only way to avoid gravel trap incidents would be to have fewer riders to allow marshalls to clear the traps? One rider on the track at a time? Were those 2 incidents the result of rubbish on the track which can be unavoidable resulting in multiple incidents at the same time? I don't know. I wouldn't think the riders involved were planning on having a little rest in the gravel. I certainly don't wish anyone injured but these things happen.
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I'm now waiting for the Ducati announcement with interest. Apparently a better than 90% chance that Rossi will ride for them for sqillions of Marlboro Lira.
But what about Burgess and associates?
I hope Rossi ends up with the technicians his happy with, then it will be interesting to see what he can get out of the Duke. For Rossi it must be a tremendous risk that he/they will falter and drop out of the Aliens.
We won't speculate quite yet, but if it happens it will put Casey's last four years into prospective. If Rossi/Ducati become 'the first of the rest' watch for the Italian dramas and theatre.
May you live in interesting times ;) ;D.
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Thats if Ferrari don't field a third car next year and as they have stated " if " a third Ferrari vehicle is available...that seat belongs to Rossi.
I agree with lozza.....someone is going to be killed in moto2. The amount of money teams are pumping into that class just to get to the front makes a 250gp bike look cheap.
As Jeremy Burgess said a few weeks ago with the 250's all they had to change was a piston,barrel and cranks to go racing for the season.
I think Honda slipped a few euros into Carmelo's wallet ;)
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Canam I think you misunderstood what I was refering to. The CBR 600 based engine was much wider than the frame, when the bike falls over they were sitting on the stator or clutch cover and sliding along on that. Most bikes no matter the speed are stopped in the first 1/3rd of the gravel trap. Not these things they don't loose speed on the tar or paved run off area and then skip like flat stones through the gravel.
No money Monaro just the only way team chicken wing can win
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Thats if Ferrari don't field a third car next year and as they have stated " if " a third Ferrari vehicle is available...that seat belongs to Rossi.
I've heard this a number of times and can't believe it's anything but utter crap. He has no history of working his way up through minor categories (GP3, GP2 etc), couldn't possibly possess a Superlicence as is required to get a start, and has been way off the pace in the lap times in all tests so far at Fiorano, and they were over two years ago. His efforts in the rally cars, while well-intentioned, didn't amount to much. It makes as much sense as paying Karmichael Hunt a fat wedge to shift to AFL on spec, ie none. Gotta be no more than a pr exercise.
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It makes as much sense as paying Karmichael Hunt a fat wedge to shift to AFL on spec, ie none. Gotta be no more than a pr exercise.
Great analogy, I think the Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folou AFL deals are merely attempts to get more press coverage and base support in the Rugby League strongholds and in the end I predict both will probably be playing Rugby in France within two years. Mike Pyke the Canadian rugby international now playing in the ruck for the Sydney Swans is making a fair go of AFL but it's interesting that his contract with the Swans runs out before next years Rugby World Cup. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him back in Rugby, in the second row for Canada with a vastly improved kicking game for his AFL experience.
Now back to bikes....I used to think that it was only a matter of time before Rossi moved to to F1 but when you seriously think about it, he hasn't crossed any of the boxes needed to gain a super licence let alone be a success. These days you need to be more than Italian and rich to race an F1 Ferrari. Imagine the reverse with Mark Webber on a GP bike!
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Thats if Ferrari don't field a third car next year and as they have stated " if " a third Ferrari vehicle is available...that seat belongs to Rossi.
I've heard this a number of times and can't believe it's anything but utter crap.
Rossi has dismissed this outright in his autobiography (he has some interesting observations about F1 cars too). He reckons driving an F1 car once a year is fun but that's it. The WRC is a different kettle of fish.
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Well Jeremy Burgess stated on the GP telecast that Luca Montezmelo(sp) was one of the first to phone him after the crash and said there is ALWAYS a 3rd Ferrari here for you whenever you want it. Yeah there is the Superlicence hurdle but I have also read Bernie Eccelstone was also keen for Rossi to drive in F1. I don't think he would do any good in F1
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It's official! Stoner riding a Honda next year!!!
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Looks like we were right....sad
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/riders+reactions+tomizawa
The on board shots aimed rearwards with the throttle in plain view, shows this to be a myth. They all treat the throttle with great amount of respect. Ben Spies said that the 800's are very hard to ride(as opposed to impossible without electronics) and are not on the same planet as a WSBK. Motocrap2 will be different in 2 years Inonne's Speed Up bike has had some 'professional' help recently and is miles ahead on top speed and drive. A few of the top riders are saying they need more HP as riders have to pull desparate moves just to get past. Someone will unfortunatly be killed or seriously injured in this class before the year is out. There has been 2 instances where riders in the gravel trap have had sliding bikes whiz past them. That is very dangerous.
[/quote]Thats if Ferrari don't field a third car next year and as they have stated " if " a third Ferrari vehicle is available...that seat belongs to Rossi.
I agree with lozza.....someone is going to be killed in moto2. The amount of money teams are pumping into that class just to get to the front makes a 250gp bike look cheap.
As Jeremy Burgess said a few weeks ago with the 250's all they had to change was a piston,barrel and cranks to go racing for the season.
I think Honda slipped a few euros into Carmelo's wallet ;)
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Yes Monaro I sincerly hoped that never came true. :'(
Godspeed Shoya Tomizawa.
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A few of the top riders are saying they need more HP as riders have to pull desparate moves just to get past. Someone will unfortunatly be killed or seriously injured in this class before the year is out. There has been 2 instances where riders in the gravel trap have had sliding bikes whiz past them. That is very dangerous.[/quote]
Hey Lozza,
Yes it was tragic news - the sad, dark side of motorcycle racing. :-[
But I don't really understand where you are coming from in the above quote. Surely there have been enough 'Spec' and one 'Marque' classes over the years, where the machine performance was designed to be nearly identical where this kind of stuff hasn't occurred.
The 125s seem to cope with similar performance and not endanger each other excessively - and the 250s did the same for half a century. Is it the bike/rules or the riders pulling the desparate moves? Most passing occurs in the braking zones after slipstreaming, not under acceleration.
The two most dangerous situations for a rider are when he is hit by his own bike after falling, or is hit by another rider as he falls. Neither of these are directly related to the bikes. When a rider is hit by his own bike it is an accident. When a rider is hit by a competitor it is generally when the competitor is so close behind so as being unable to avoid the downed rider - and slipstreaming is the essence of road racing.
I would love to hear your views, but I think this is just a terrible accident and not directly related to the class rules.
Back to you,
Thanks
VMX42
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Re. Rossi in F1. I wouldn't think it would happen, but that said, he was waaay better than most when given a test drive.
Remember when Mick Doohan and Tommi Makinen drove Ferrari's on the same day? Neither completed a lap before sticking it into the fence. :D
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I would love to hear your views, but I think this is just a terrible accident and not directly related to the class rules.
Back to you,
Thanks
VMX42
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I actually think GP2 hasn't been the end of the world as we know it. The bikes with professional help are those with the best developed chassis and suspension / electronics which can most take advantage of the control tyres.
I seem to remember quite a lot of desperation back in the day when riders were on different tyres and with differing engines trying to make up the difference.
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Jeff, I'm not out there but when riders who have been in MotoGP (Elias and De Angeles) say that it's dangerous and the bikes need more power,we should listen to that, also someone at Dorna HQ should have at least listened and perhaps acted to their concerns.
One of Tony Elias' main concerns that with spec engines(only about 15-20up on a stocker) the difference between the fastest and slowest rider was not that great, so he had to pull desparate moves just to get past a slower rider. Next was the 40 bike grid, the carnage that was happening particularly at the first turn was not good. Then we have the weight of the bike, and the slim frames made them skate along the tar and skip into sand traps with little speed washed off. On top of that we had lots of first time GP riders and a inaugural WC in the line.In 250's you would have to get a 2 or 3 yr old customer spec bike to begin with then had to produce some results to move up to current spec, then A-Kit spec then finaly your ready to win spec.This is the first time in GP that the first and last place would have the same HP.
I can think of at least 2 or 3 times riders have been struck by other bikes in 125/250(75 and 100kgs respectively) and even MotoGP with riders fortunately coming away OK. The Moto2 bikes are much heavier (about 160kgs)and just as fast they pack a heftier punch. The Tomizawa incident was very similar to the incident with UK rider Craig Jones in WSS.
Point is 2 very similar racing incidents have happened in a week someone will have to make some changes. Craig Baird and Greg Rust were saying that there was moves to space the grid out 3 X 3 style to hopefully stop some turn 1 carnage. That says there was a problem.
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SAFETY COMMISSION (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/09/18/rossi_hayden_and_dovizioso_speak_about_t.html)
a quote from Rossi
For me another problem is that the Moto2 bikes are too wide. When you lose the front on a MotoGP bike, the bike is narrower and the bike falls flatter. So the tires don't touch the ground, and the bike slides to the outside.
The Moto2 is more wide. For a lot of riders when they crash, when you lose the front, the bike remains on the tires. So with the bike on its side, the tires bring the bike back into the track. This is more the problem than the artificial grass. It happened again today: If you see Elias' crash, he crashed, the bike is wide, the bike continued to go on the tires and came back [on the track].
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Top job Casey and Nicky 1 and 3 ;D
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I think Valentino deserves a lot of credit for Caseys' win ;) A comment or 2 during the week about Casey's seeming lack of aggression this year appears to have fired up the young lad for a much better result 8)
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I doubt Rossi's spat made much difference, the Ducati just didn't want to turn in, and the front was realy low mid corner.They changed his riding postion and found a sweet spot, funny thing is Rossi looks like he is coasting, and if Stoner wins anymore races this year, in 2011 even hard core Rossi fanboi's will have trouble claiming Rossi 'fixed' the Ducati's front end. ;)
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Rossi's spat would have had more bite if he hadn't spent the weekend 'wobbling' around in midpack blaming his bike, or shoulder or whatever.
If I wanted to read that kind of mindless crap I would look in the Womens Mags - no place for that kind of boring diatribe in motorcycle racing. MotoGP has become very boring, but that is not the way back to the headlines…
They will have to do better than that. They could start by making the racing just a wee bit exciting again, if F1 can do it then so can Dorna. ::)
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Thats easy.....BRING BACK 500cc 2 STROKES!!!!! ;D
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Casey off to a flying start In Japan
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What a great ride by Casey and how good was Rossi and the Lorenzo fight
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What a great ride by Casey and how good was Rossi and the Lorenzo fight
Good enough reason to watch MotoGP.
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good ride by stoner, but, the thing that is getting up my nose about this road racing, dropping the leg think before the corners who started this bullsh---t style of riding.
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good ride by stoner, but, the thing that is getting up my nose about this road racing, dropping the leg think before the corners who started this bullsh---t style of riding.
I'm sure people said the same sort of thing when guys started dragging their knee...its just the new way, nothing wrong with it.
I remember guys getting cautions from the stewards back in the 90's for doing it so its not new but it has become a lot more popular recently.
And if it works on dirt bikes why not use it on road bikes, their corner entries are pretty much dirt track style
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good ride by stoner, but, the thing that is getting up my nose about this road racing, dropping the leg think before the corners who started this bullsh---t style of riding.
can be traced back to when Rossi punted Gibbers off the track in JEREZ 2005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m35LqM3kto)
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I remember the first time I climbed onto a road bike after riding dirt bikes all my life and the first corner I came to putting my leg out to go around it and it felt normal until the guys I rode with bagged me to the point of submission ??? .Now I can put my leg out again and be cool ;D
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I remember in the '50s when the aussie riders were showing the poms the fast way 'round the Ilse o' Man the poms were rubbishing the aussies for touching the toe down on some of the slower corners. The other style I remember being universally rubbished was the way some riders went into corners leaning the bike over but sitting up vertically on the bike. This was seriously rubbished and described as "dago style", but to my mind was probably a habit some picked up from riding on dirt or slippery surfaces and indicated to me a lack of confidence in the tyre's ability to stay were it should. cheers pancho.
The first [and best] proponent of the art of getting the riders weight in the best place on cornering was Johnny Dodds. While watching him corner on the 7R at Oran Park outside of Energol all you could see of little Dodsy was his right boot and his right wrist tweekin' the twist grip!
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What a great ride by Casey and how good was Rossi and the Lorenzo fight
I reckon the pass on the last lap of moto2 was better & I hate that class almost as much as the 125 class replacement for 2012
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I'm getting a little peeved with the ongoing expectation that every race has got to be a nail biting 5 ring circus through the last corner of the last lap to be exciting.
And then there's the 'responsibility' blaming the tyre, the electronics, a dominant rider, the capacity etc etc etc bullshit bullshit bullshit. Everything from club racing to MotoGP is the same. Close racing is a fluke of a combination of factors - it can't be formulated.
Unless you want Nascars :-\.
Team Yamaha just loves entertaining the crowd with close racing..........
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/05/sepang_to_be_rossi_s_last_race_with_yama.html
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dropping the leg think before the corners who started this bullsh---t style of riding.
And if it works on dirt bikes why not use it on road bikes, their corner entries are pretty much dirt track style
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Rossi is reputed to have started in MotoGP, I think the technology of traction control has had a big influence on what works, the way they are going MotoGP will look more like drift racing.
I can take or leave MotoGP these days, WSB is where it is really at, they are virtually as fast and in the case of the Suzuki faster than the MotoGP bikes and the fields have more variety.... make mine the Aprillia please
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I can take or leave MotoGP these days, WSB is where it is really at, they are virtually as fast and in the case of the Suzuki faster than the MotoGP bikes and the fields have more variety.... make mine the Aprillia please
If you believe Ducati's vent during this years championship & announcement of their exit the Aprilia is a MotoGP bike racing against streetbikes. Biaggi rightly pointed out that Ducati had no problems when the rules allowed them to run whatever they wanted. I wonder if Aprilia will return to MotoGP after the rule changes come in
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Piaggo Group CEO gave a big fat NO WAY to that. Aprilia still have a bad taste in their mouths from the 'murder in the night' of the 250 and 125cc classes.
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Piaggo Group CEO gave a big fat NO WAY to that. Aprilia still have a bad taste in their mouths from the 'murder in the night' of the 250 and 125cc classes.
…and don't forget the CUBE!!!
$25,000,000.00 down the toilet for that little exercise.
In some ways Aprilia had a hand in the demise of the 125/250. A million bucks a year to lease a single 250cc two stroke GP bike is WAY over the top. Good money if you can get it, but it flies in the face of comparatively cheap two-stroke racing.
I know the Japanese spent mega-bucks when it suited them, bit if Aprillia et al, had acted more responsibly when the Japs pulled out it might have worked out differently. But then again Honda always seems to get its own way…
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The cool 1m Euro quoted to lease an Aprilia was for the RSA 250LE spec which is whatever the defending 250 world champion or runner up would be riding. Highly unlikely you would find a better deal to have full factory backing at the highest level. However at least anyone with the dosh could lease one the unobtainium Honda RSW A kit was given out on avery very selective basis(Dani Pedrosa being the last to get it, Ayoyama got some very special bits for last year), meaning if you were not a big H favourite you don't get the good bits. Also the KTM FRR 250 was a match for the Aprilia RSA and to buy or lease the KTM was a phone call and a bank transfer away.
Yeah too right the CUBE was a complete shitter serves you right for going to the car blokes for engine development.Dorna just got shitty because Aprilia pulled the pin and continued to make a profit through Aprilia Corse, that the real reason they got shafted.
Anyway THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhvN0AUJs8) is what $48k will get you (07/08) 100hp more than enough for a privateer wanting to make a name for themselves on the world stage.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/GP250Aoyama-1.jpg)
I just posted that because I love that thing to death
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Hey Lozza, any of those KTM's popped up on Jp Ebay yet ;D ;D
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Would be in my garage if they had, a nice NXA last time I looked.
MICK22's NEW BIKE (http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r70872469)
I see Mr 'merrilyn enterprises' is back in business, plenty still want to meet him in person ;)
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The cool 1m Euro quoted to lease an Aprilia was for the RSA 250LE spec which is whatever the defending 250 world champion or runner up would be riding. Highly unlikely you would find a better deal to have full factory backing at the highest level.
Hey Lozza,
I know what you are saying is correct, but you can do a SH%T load of 2-stroke engine development for $1M. Bartol could build you an engine from scatch for that kind of money - and you would get to keep it at the end of the season.
They only charged that crazy figure because that is what they could get [nothing wrong with that in a free market economy] but it certainly did contribute to the death of the class.
I could never figure out why they [all the factories] played such favourites in the smaller classes. Sure they wanted their team riders to win, but if they really wanted to find the best guy to promote to the 500s [or MotoGP] then surely it would have been better not to tilt the playing field so far… It was the same when Michelin would have special tires for the factory guys - who if they actually deserved the title [of Factory guy] shouldn't have needed the unfair advantage in the first place.
Just shows that the racing is always secondary… and that I still live in a fantasy world. :D
VMX42
And yes… the KTM is a sweet thing
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/GP250Aoyama-1.jpg)
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At GP level a for development costs, million doesn't go far at all. How much do think a KTM FRR piston costs? Just the piston not the ring gudgeon or circlips. Then well talk about the cost of the conrod.
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At GP level a for development costs, million doesn't go far at all. How much do think a KTM FRR piston costs? Just the piston not the ring gudgeon or circlips. Then well talk about the cost of the conrod.
Yeah, but they are not reinventing the wheel each season. It has been much more evolution, than revolution for a long time, and then you amortise the cost over all the bikes produced and $1M is still a SH$TLOAD - and that is just the lease cost.
Good money if you can get it, all for small portions of a second a lap… and it doesn't improve the racing one iota.
But that is all history now - $3500.00 for a Honda 600 instead.
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The problem is the further up the development pyramid the harder and the more costly the gains are(cubic dollars is the phrase).Tom O'Kane (Rizla Suzuki) that to go 1mph faster costs $1million.
With respect to the Aprilia in 2003 when Poggiali won they 250 made peak power at 14,200rpm in 09 they make 10more HP at 12600rpm.That didn't come for free.
Yes we're reduced to Motocrappy 2 now:'(
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Yes we're reduced to Motocrappy 2 now:'(
And I know how much you love it…
Just wait till the 125s have been replaced as well. Single cylinder 4-strokes. UUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
I am just waiting for the claims that it is being done for purely environmental reasons… >:( Honda have a lot to answer for.
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Seeing the photo of the KTM makes Moto2 even harder to accept, they all look the same-fat, fat , fat & the paint jobs all look very similar as well
I think 1million euro to lease the Aprilia is chicken feed compared to the cost of leasing a MotoGP bike which pretty much guarantees you'll be making up the numbers with Suzuki
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Oi ! Young bloke drops into town, whacks it on pole and in a faultless ride, gives a clinic to the newly-crowned world champ, and yet it can't crack a mention on here ! Tough crowd... ;)
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Honda have a lot to answer for.
There goes the advertising dollar for the next few issues! :D :D
I've been lucky enough to spend a little time chatting to F1 champ, Alan Jones, and the numbers he was quoting from 30 years ago was amazing!! Even by today's standards! :o
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Ok....Well done to Stoner,faultless weekend.
GP2 sucks eggs.
When Rusty mentioned the 500cc 2strokes as animals and beasts to my hero Schwantzy,i fell to my knees and cried :'(
But Stoner did a hella job in slidin' the Duck!
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............and how to mono at 200+k's.
I said after the race what part of PI are they going to name after Casey Stoner? After 4 wins on the trot . Not only winning 4 on the trot he has led all bar 1 lap of all 4 GP's .Casey deserves it espeicaly as Wayne Gardner(2 wins 89/90) has Gardner Straight and Mick Doohan (1 win 98???) has Doohan Corner.
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Gotta be turn 3 ! After the drifting demo through there last year, and a few this time as well. Yeah, plus that was QUITE a mono, Loz ! :o
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yup, though I'm not a huge fan of Casey there is no question of his amazing talent ;)
the wheelie thing brings back an old memory from the 500's ( or maybe it was the 250's :-\). Not sure what race it was but Max Biaggi had just won. He was really pumped and pulled this wheelie across the finish line at high speed. Max almost had a 'Golden Dream Racer' finish and a near death moment almost flipping it. To save it, it appeared he tapped the rear brake and the front came down so frickin' hard he almost crashed for the second time only this time over the bars! :D Barry Sheene and Darryl Eastlake were commentating and you can imagine how excitable that pair got when they saw it, not overly professional for the race winner :D :D :D
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Czech GP, Brno 1998, his first 500 win.
Only he and his drycleaner know just how close that was !
Naturally, it's on youtube.... :D
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.Casey deserves it espeicaly as Wayne Gardner(2 wins 89/90) has Gardner Straight and Mick Doohan (1 win 98???) has Doohan Corner.
How about Anthony Gobert, won the odd GP, Superbike race and has made us all proud. Maybe they could do something that combined them both ... the 'Stoner Anthony Loop" perhaps. ;D
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How about Anthony Gobert, won the odd GP,
What about the Antony Gobert public toilet...to commemorate the direction his career took. ::)
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How about Anthony Gobert, won the odd GP,
What about the Antony Gobert public toilet...to commemorate the direction his career took. ::)
Yes well from factory rider to being broke and arrested for purse snatching is quite a decline.... but I am still a fan, could of been bigger than Mick on a road bike and as good as Chad on an MXer, if only I had 1% of that talent to throw away.
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Gobert never went near the podium in GP's.
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Gobert never went near the podium in GP's.
Ah but he did show promise and lead a lap or two ...Phillip Island ???
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Stoner certainly bolted alright, not much of a race apart from nicky having a good go at rossi. Depuniet impressed me with his catching & passing other guys after being in last by miles
Watched from siberia & saw maxwell's brainfart but haven't heard whether he got fined $10,000 for it like iannone did last year
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5000 Euros was the fine. As for the toll the aftershock will have on his career, time will tell... :o
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If the whole thing had been on camera he wouldn't have a career as I can't see any team wanting to be associated with him
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No TV there is always YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdIAm2yWUXs&feature=player_embedded)
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I bet Casey can't wait to get the next GP over and done with. It doesn't matter how many sets of forks or swingarms they throw at that Ducati, its still a piece of shit.
It will interesting to see what Rossi has to say after his first ride on it...I liked Hayden's famous quote after his first ride on the Ducati along the lines of "I'm not sure what they are paying Casey to ride this thing, but they need to double it"... a sure way to impress your new employer ;D
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Ben Spies:
"Casey on a Honda could be a very scary situation," the American said. "The Honda's working quite well now. When Casey's on, there's been nobody on a Ducati that can touch him. Those are just facts. So it's going to be scary to see what he does on a Honda. Again, it's one of those things that could go really bad for everybody. We'll have to see. "
Thursday, October 28, 2010
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Oct/101028b.htm
Shooting the breeze or significant?
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Yes Stoner has said about the Ducati 'It depends what mood it's in" , the crashes are all indentical mid corner font end wash out ,no warning just fold.
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CASEY STONER INTERVIEW (http://motomatters.com/interview/2010/11/03/casey_stoner_on_electronics_ducati_s_scr.html)
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CASEY STONER INTERVIEW (http://motomatters.com/interview/2010/11/03/casey_stoner_on_electronics_ducati_s_scr.html)
Interesting read, safety being enough reason to retain them - and, by the sounds, Casey's main reliance on them.
(Bloody computers; took my daughter for her driving test this morning (passed first go ;) :)) but on the way there the car's computer decides to go into 'safe mode' for no apparent reason (stop, switch off - switch on, problem fixed. Pretty unsettling for a nervous learner on their way for their test though :P).
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Here's an interesting development........
http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/04/a_hint_of_the_future_repsol_honda_team_a.html
"Its importance has been further emphasized by the announcement that Astra Honda, the Indonesian subsidiary of the Japanese motorcycling giant, is to sponsor the Repsol Honda squad for the final MotoGP round at Valencia, and also for the whole of the 2011 season. Astra Honda's slogan "One Heart" or "Satu Hati" in Indonesian, is to feature prominently on the leathers and on the lower fairing of the Repsol Honda RC212V MotoGP machines."
I'm assuming Casey will have the same sponsorship and slogan next year. Lets hope sport can help mend some of the friction that has been evident between Australians and Indonesians in recent times.
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Go Casey....... 8)
"Casey Stoner kicked the weekend off to his usual dominating start, the Marlboro Ducati rider leading the first session of practice by over half a second, ....."
http://motomatters.com/results/2010/11/05/2010_valencia_motogp_fp1_result_stoner_s.html
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Go Casey....... ;D.........on pole by .3sec........ 8),
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Nov/101106b.htm
Marco Simoncelli in third - he seems to have something to prove.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/164817/1/stoner_takes_last_ducati_pole_ahead_of_emotional_day.html
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You know, I've never been a great fan of Casey Stoner, but I've got to say that I'm impressed with his attitude to this race and his relationship with Ducati. At this stage of the season, you often hear riders making comments about concentrating on the following season instead of showing commitment to their current employer.
I reckon he's showing some maturity.............. ;D
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You know, I've never been a great fan of Casey Stoner, but I've got to say that I'm impressed with his attitude to this race and his relationship with Ducati. At this stage of the season, you often hear riders making comments about concentrating on the following season instead of showing commitment to their current employer.
I reckon he's showing some maturity.............. ;D
"The 2007 world champion, the most successful rider of the 800cc era in terms of race wins, will be chasing his 24th Ducati victory on Sunday before moving to Honda." ;)
Casey has always impressed me even before he got the Ducati ride - always did an A grade job on B grade equipment, on B grade teams, on B grade days ;). To this day I consider him underrated, which is why I'm looking forward to Casey on a Honda and Vale on the Ducati - much will be revealed and understood I hope.
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Casey Stoner has scored nearly half of all Ducati's points in MotoGP and all bar 3(??) race wins, that kind of a record isn't a fluke
MORE CASEY STONER FOR TONY T (http://motomatters.com/interview/2010/11/05/stoner_and_rossi_on_the_importance_of_ta.html#comment-13443)
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http://motomatters.com/results/2010/11/09/final_valencia_day_1_motogp_test_times_l.html
Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 99 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1:32.012
2 27 Casey Stoner Honda 1:32.775 0.763 0.763
3 11 Ben Spies Yamaha 1:32.878 0.866 0.103
4 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda 1:32.912 0.900 0.034
5 58 Marco Simoncelli Honda 1:32.919 0.907 0.007
6 4 Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1:33.190 1.178 0.271
7 5 Colin Edwards Yamaha 1:33.513 1.501 0.323
8 19 Alvaro Bautista Suzuki 1:33.558 1.546 0.045
9 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati 1:33.716 1.704 0.158
10 46 Valentino Rossi Ducati 1:33.882 1.870 0.166
11 14 Randy de Puniet Ducati 1:33.914 1.902 0.032
12 7 Hiroshi Aoyama Honda 1:33.953 1.941 0.039
13 40 Hector Barbera Ducati 1:34.110 2.098 0.157
14 35 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 1:34.314 2.302 0.204
15 65 Loris Capirossi Ducati 1:34.631 2.619 0.317
16 24 Toni Elias Honda 1:35.058 3.046 0.427
17 17 Karel Abraham Ducati 1:35.076 3.064 0.018
Jorge on a familiar totally set up and prepared bike is flying.
Casey on a 'new to him' bike is 'best of the rest' (and .763sec behind).
Valentino 1.8 seconds off the pace.
Early days but is there a pattern emerging? ;D
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I wonder if Rossi still thinks that Stoner never tried 100% on the Ducati ;D
Impressive day 2 times from Depuniet & Simonccelli, I reckon Sim could be a bit of a dark horse next year
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Stoner settles in while Rossi struggles...
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/MotoGP+Test+Valencia+day+two+report
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I wonder if Rossi still thinks that Stoner never tried 100% on the Ducati ;D
Impressive day 2 times from Depuniet & Simonccelli, I reckon Sim could be a bit of a dark horse next year
I'm even more impressed with Spiers, in both his lap times and the smooth, steady, 'no rush of blood/ego' he has displayed all season.
You are right about Simoncelli, I think he has a real good chance of making the transition to being an 'Alien'. I was real impressed how much Jorge leaned on him the last race (rubbed Simo's shoulder with Jorge's front tyre) and Simo was completely unphased and remained focused on holding his line. (I was pretty impressed with Jorge's lose - save, and recovery, and race win as well.
It's hard to estimate the Ducati performance because of the engine swapping/trialing but not withstanding being 1.8 seconds off the pace would be a concern unless there is an explanation. I think it indicates deep seated problems. I think Rossi and Burgess will have to fire up their very best magic wand if they are to see success next year (and for Ducati to find a bundle of money as well).
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http://motomatters.com/news/2010/12/07/engineers_assemble_in_bologna_to_work_on.html
"Speaking to the press after the test, Ducati Corse director Filippo Preziosi described the test as a "bad test" and spoke of Rossi's lack of feeling with the front end." Really? How often did Casey complain of lack of front end feel? How many front end loses did Casey have this season?
"Casey Stoner's success aboard the Ducati had lulled the Bologna company into a false sense of security: after all, how bad can a bike be if the team's lead rider just keeps on racking up the victories?"
"......but a bike that is easier to ride will surely benefit Nicky Hayden and the rest of the Ducati riders as well." That is of course on the assumption they get a result.
Ciao.
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Fire up the alarm clock show starts 6am tomorrow. The new fancy zero shift box on the RC 211V looks to be working well , the Ducati GP11 doesn't look like a winner.
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Go Casey!!!!! 8).
A good race. Closer than what may have been expected - but the results were pretty much as you would have predicted.
Casey rode and finished with a bit in reserve. Lorenzo rode the wheels off the Yammy to stay competitive. Pedrosa faded with an excuse; 'I'm only a small person - it is unfair to expect me to race with the big boys' ;D. Divvy and Sideshow showed the speed of the works Honda's and their learning position. Spiers shared class and steady progress. Rossi showed his talent to put the Duke so far forward but wasn't going to 'do a Stoner' and stick his neck out to make up for the Duke's short coming - but 'showboated' enough to get noticed and titillate the fans.
Go Casey!!!!! 8).
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My mate was over doing photos, reckons he looked the goods in all the practices and testings he seen this year.
Not sure why though he had the upper rider Japan flag stickers, thought that was where the rider NAt go ?? unless it was old fairings but then why change the FR numbers over ?
prity trick looking lower forks and caliper............ and that rear arm ... :o
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/Q_stoner_Qtr.jpg)
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not sure why though he had the upper rider Japan flag stickers, thought that was where the rider NAME go ??
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/Q_stoner_Qtr.jpg)
The Japanese flag graphics were a mark of respect for the 1000's of lives lost in Japan in the tragedies of the last few weeks. All the riders racing Japanese machines were sporting them.
Stoners name is in white just above the flag.
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Honda just like most Japanese companies including ours have lost people over the last week.
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Ahhh that make sence.
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/R1.jpg)
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Looking good.......
Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 27 Casey STONER HONDA 1'39.551
2 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 1'39.579 0.028 0.028
3 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 1'40.077 0.526 0.498
4 58 Marco SIMONCELLI HONDA 1'40.176 0.625 0.099
5 1 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA 1'40.420 0.869 0.244
6 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO HONDA 1'40.429 0.878 0.009
7 11 Ben SPIES YAMAHA 1'40.887 1.336 0.458
8 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 1'41.063 1.512 0.176
9 14 Randy DE PUNIET DUCATI 1'41.064 1.513 0.001
10 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 1'41.233 1.682 0.169
11 17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI 1'41.398 1.847 0.165
12 8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 1'41.601 2.050 0.203
13 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA HONDA 1'41.816 2.265 0.215
14 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW YAMAHA 1'41.949 2.398 0.133
15 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 1'42.157 2.606 0.208
16 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 1'42.313 2.762 0.156
17 21 John HOPKINS SUZUKI 1'42.538 2.987 0.225
http://motomatters.com/results/2011/04/01/2011_jerez_motogp_fp1_result_hondas_lead.html
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/R1.jpg)
:D love that Lozza!
I heard pedrosa is off to another operation after this weekends race.
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JEREZ LIVE (http://video.rtlinfo.be/video/Moto-GP-en-direct/148053.aspx)
All sessions NO ADS
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Still looking good........... ;D
The two Yammies found something 8). Ya got to be impressed with Spies.
Where's the Doctor? Gone for an Bex and a good lie down? :-[
1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda Team 1m 38.757s
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team 1m 38.915s
3. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 38.918s
4. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 39.390s
5. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 39.486s
6. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 39.709s
7. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing Team 1m 39.892s
8. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 39.895s
9. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 40.019s
10. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 40.168s
11. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 40.175s
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 40.185s
13. Hector Barbera ESP Mapfre Aspar Team 1m 40.217s
14. John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 40.310s
15. Loris Capirossi ITA Pramac Racing Team 1m 40.523s
16. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 1m 40.601s
17. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 41.114s
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I think the race will be between Casey and Jorge, but I wouldn't assume the winner. I think Casey has a little 'in the tank' where as Jorge is closer to the limit. But Jorge is good at taking it to the limit and staying there. And the Spanish crowd will 'lift' him.
Peddy will fade I'm sure. But he will set out to prove a point early I think. He'll show Honda, if no one else, that he has the speed but just unlucky (hey, it was their jammed throttle that caused the problem!!!).
Rossi experience is confirming everything Casey said of Ducati. The bike was fully developed and their needed a complete re-think/new chassis. The inconsistency between frames is also confirmed. Rossi binned his 'good' chassis and went backwards on his standby/spare.
Spies is impressive. Will this be his first podium?
It should be a great race. I'll have to check the broadcast times.
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Fug!!!! Is rossi the stewart of motogp?
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Dunno what he was thinking, that was never gonna work...
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Why the flock did rossi get help to start his bike while stoner didn't?
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I've always been a bit of a Rossi fan, but that was just dumb. ::)
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'your ambition outweighed your talent' Nice!
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'your ambition outweighed your talent' Nice!
:D :D :D
Yeah, that was good!
It was good that Rossi went out of his way to apologise for stuffing up and that Casey accepted it........... in front of the cameras at least.....
Young Stoner's growing up! ;D
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Why the flock did rossi get help to start his bike while stoner didn't?
As if getting taken out wasn't enough.............. Rossi was over riding and the dive bomb was never on in the wet. Couldn't believe Spies AND Edwards throwing away podiums . but all looks easy from the lounge room ;D
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'your ambition outweighed your talent' Nice!
"Problem with the shoulder ?" Ripper !! :D
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Why the flock did rossi get help to start his bike while stoner didn't?
I picked up on that, but it was never featured in vid or commentary after the 'live'.
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'your ambition outweighed your talent' Nice!
:D :D :D
Yeah, that was good!
It was good that Rossi went out of his way to apologise for stuffing up and that Casey accepted it........... in front of the cameras at least.....
Young Stoner's growing up! ;D
+1 ;D
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So how is it that both Australian Championship leaders [Casey Stoner and Chad Reed] were rearended by former champions last night.
Both Honda riders lost their championship leads due to errors by past champions riding over their heads.
And then to add salt to the wounds both former champs picked up their bikes and finished in the points.
What are the chances?? Bugger!!!!
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Why is it that these high tech gp bikes dont have high tech electric starters it may have helped Casey get some points ???
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I liked the commentators comments along the lines of - Casey had problems last year with the front end of the Ducati taking him out....nothing has changed!!!
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Probably would need to be massive to get them to kick over but I suspect that is being looked at right now.
Apparently Edwards engine seized, scratch 1 engine from the allocation
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Did Rossi keep the Ducati running or was it bump started?
Not a lot was shown (as in repeated) of the aftermath (other than Casey giving a right royal, vigorous, 'up yours' gesture to the marshals - not good for a Spanish Oil co. sponsored rider, to Spanish marshals, in the Spanish GP, in Spain and on Spanish TV (even if they deserved it :P))
I heard that Casey kill switched the engine to save it from damage.
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I wondered how Stoner could have hit the kill switch while sliding on the tar? Looked like Rossi was still holding the clutch.
EDIT:
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/03/2011_jerez_motogp_race_day_round_up_the_.html
I doubt Repsol were too worried, will get more publicity than if Stoner won by 10 sec.
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"Casey's bike was undamaged but he'd managed to hit the kill switch on his way to the floor and needed a push while Rossi's bike was running. Only one marshal tried to push start Casey, the rest ran back to their post after Rossi had departed. Now the Honda's clutch, for whatever reason, requires a push start from two people. HRC know this but obviously see compensating advantages."
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110403rydernotes2.htm
Whatcha reckon, will Honda come up with a 'one shot' self starter - probably not electric but pressurized gas, explosive charge? - I don't know what the rules allow or disallow. Maybe electric - save weight somewhere else with exotic materials??
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Why is it that these high tech gp bikes dont have high tech electric starters it may have helped Casey get some points ???
I can't find a copy of the Engine regs at the moment but I'm sure that self starters are not allowed under the rules.
Rossi's apology was a hollow show for the cameras, Casey has obviously had a lot of media coaching or changed his attitude over the last season and a bit coz I can't believe how positive he was about the POS Ducati last year and he's been a different bloke in his conferences this year
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Rossi's apology was a hollow show for the cameras, ............
Showboating ;), and he's good at it - turning a sow's ear into a silk purse.
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I can't find a copy of the Engine regs at the moment but I'm sure that self starters are not allowed under the rules.
Hard to believe - I would have thought it was simply a matter of weight and finding the room for the gizmo. It should be allowed, or even compulsory, for all sorts of reasons - having only 17 starters and 12 finishers is starting to become something of an embarrassment for all concerned should be but one imperative.
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I think it has been kept this way to add to the "Show" makes the bikes seem a bit more exotic and hi tech to the average viewer if you have some bloke with a fancy starting machine to get you going, helps distinguish the bikes from street bikes.
With the the battery tech and materials available these days you would have to be able to run a starter system for less than a couple of kilo's.
Considering Honda had their RVF750 endurance racers down to 135KG with lighting and starting systems back in the late 80's I don't think making the weight for a Moto GP bike with a electric starter would be an issue
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FOX SPORTS (http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/moto-gp/australian-motogp-ace-casey-stoner-was-right-to-respond-to-valentino-rossis-apology-with-derision/story-fn2ms4i4-1226033228140) ;D Classic
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FOX SPORTS (http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/moto-gp/australian-motogp-ace-casey-stoner-was-right-to-respond-to-valentino-rossis-apology-with-derision/story-fn2ms4i4-1226033228140) ;D Classic
"Like apologising to your mother with your hoody and your sunglasses on, no-one makes a genuine apology with their helmet on." +1 ;)
Rossi was Showboating - acting up to the media to get an advantage - either on the track or in the 'market place'.
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When I first saw the apoligy I thought Casey did well, then I heard the audio. I heard the dig about the shoulder then the rubbish after it, Young Casey still has some growing up to do. Before audio respect then after none, you blokes need to read what a few overseas forums are saying. Casey is a runner not a racer.
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Nothing wrong with that. It's been cleaned up a fair few levels from what I would have given him, and Stoner could and should have. Message is delivered, Stoner won't be just another gutless wonder living in awe of Rossi, and afraid of upsetting him in any way.
Level ground, and game on. ;)
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I work amongst sixteen or so other blokes whom none of ride motorcycles. But knowing that I am interested some/most show a bit of interest in the Moto GP side of things (probably just to humor me). Anyway the talk around the drivers room last Monday morning was the Rossi/Stoner incident and who was at fault.
I have my own take on that incident that I wont go into here but another question that is raised on a regular basis is who is the best/fastest rider out of Rossi and Stoner.
How do you answer that one.
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Have a look at the points tally at the end of this season... :D
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When I first saw the apoligy I thought Casey did well, then I heard the audio. I heard the dig about the shoulder then the rubbish after it, Young Casey still has some growing up to do.
You're freaking kidding me. What do you think Rossi was doing, genuinely apologizing? He was showboating - making a Big Fella of himself - acting up to the media - putting Casey 'on the spot'. Rossi gets no respect for that stunt.
Before audio respect then after none, you blokes need to read what a few overseas forums are saying. Casey is a runner not a racer.
You're freaking kidding me. The Europeans haven't shown respect to Casey since day one. Casey is a professional racer who has done an A grade job on B grade equipment on B grade teams since day one.
Most of what you read on the forums is uninformed, juvenile, one-eyed, starry eyed, European hero worshiping. I wouldn't base an opinion on that. And nor does Casey ;).
And respect has got nothing to do with winning races.
I would have told him to fu*k off out of the Honda garage and only come in when he was invited ;D. And then come in with ya cap in hand and not ya fu*king helmet on :-*
Watch the points tally at the end of the year ;D.
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you blokes need to read what a few overseas forums are saying. Casey is a runner not a racer.
Couldn't give a Rodent's Rectum. Mincing and squealing from yellow flag-waving, myopic fanboys. When he goes, they'll go too. And in both cases, sooner the better ! :D
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Good point Col, but it's a bit like asking, how long is a peice of string?
Personally my money would be on Rossi, based on longevity and results.
Most of it depends on who's riding what and when.
There has always been some rider who has popped up to win a title, Luchinelli, Uncini, Schwartz, Roberts Jnr and dare I say, Gardner, but when that name pop's up several times over an extended period, that's class.
Mick, coulda, woulda, shoulda won 7 in a row if it wasn't for his leg injury.
Talking my favourite, Speedway, Ivan is regarded as the best but pretty much every year there was someone going better than him but he was always on the pace and was the first real "Proffesional" rider.
Casey is definitely quick, but to finish first, first you've gotta finish.
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Well, we'll see at the end of the year.
Hey, Slide, I always rated Mauger as without peer, even in those years when several wrestled him for the title, but how do you rate Tony Rickardsson ? There was a period in motorsport for a while there where Mick Doohan won multi-titles, and so did Schumacher, Tommi Makinen, and Tony Rickardsson, but I reckon people often smooth over the calibre of his opposition, I'm thinking of Crump, Pedersen etc. As someone with a clue, how did you rate him ?
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I have my own take on that incident that I wont go into here but another question that is raised on a regular basis is who is the best/fastest rider out of Rossi and Stoner.
How do you answer that one.
Really simple. Rossi gets on Ducati goes 1.5 seconds slower than Stoner at the same track. The shoulder looks OK here ::)
(http://resources.motogp.com/2011/04/03/crash_stoner_rossi007_original.jpg)
Keen eyes will see the front tyre of Stoners bike looks good and Rossi's shagged.
* I doubt Doohan would have won even 5 championships as in 93 Wayne Rainey's accident finished his AND Kevin Schwantz's careers. Had those 2 continued their bitter rivalry Mick would have had to work much much harder than he did.
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GD, Rickardsson was supreme for a long time, there are heaps of people who say that Mick didn't have a lot of opposition during his time at the top.
You can only beat who you're up against, comparing era's is a waste of time.
Success in motorsport today depends on how much money you can bring to the table.
Mark Webber is suffering from that now.
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Casey Stoner was forced to retire from the Spanish MotoGP after a crash involving Valentino Rossi.
The FIM will take action following the ugly incident involving Aussie MotoGP star Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi in Spain at the weekend, with Race Direction scheduling a hearing to review the incident.
Rossi unceremoniously took Stoner out of the Spanish MotoGP in Jerez, sending both riders off the track.
In a frantic attempt to get back on their bikes, Rossi appeared to receive all the assistance from the pack of stewards, while Stoner received no support.
Following the incident Race Direction decided to schedule a hearing with the Clerk of Course and Chief Marshal in order to review the incident and to hear the explanation of the officials in charge.
The hearing will be held on 28 April in Portugal.
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'Experts' howled at Karel Abraham securing MotoGP ride down to him having a rich dad(he owns Bruno circuit and a large medical supply company AB Cardon) but that isn't Karel's fault. To date Karel has been doing very well much better than some old over paid riders ::) So at some point your ability will have to shine, look at forum favorite Anthony Gobert, who never paid for anything and got to GP level on talent alone. Plenty of riders with money would have still loved the opportunities he squandered.
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Lozza your really simple take on it is one way of looking at it for sure, but not the only way by a long shot.
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Lozza, I was basing my opinion on a point in time when Mick was a mile in front on points and missed 5 or so so of the last 6 races and was only beaten by Rainey, I think, by a mere 2 points.
Given that the next year or so Mick was still recovering from his injuries and not to mention his struggle with the dreaded Staff infections.
I'm definitely no Road Race historian but anyone who can come back from injury like Mick & Barry Sheene did, are the real Champions.
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No doubt Mick had the the series shot to bits, before he fell, both Rainey and Schwantz started with injuries that year. A description of his scars is 'like someone layed an ox tongue on the back of his leg' :-\
So what are the other ways Col?
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I should add that sadly Wayne Rainey had no chance to return from his injuries, he might have won 5-6 in a row.
But that was my point, coulda, woulda , shoulda.
My own Speedway career lasted about 5 minutes when I had big ambitions.
Opportunity and luck play a huge part.
No doubt you can have the fastest bike on earth but if the nut on the handlebars isn't up to the task, forget it.
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I guess there would be lots of ways to look at it Lozza. Maybe GD has the answer, "look at the points tally at the end of the season". What I do reckon though Lozza is that maybe you can answer who is the fastest on a given day Who's the best is the hard one to answer.
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I really was trying to refrain from posting on this topic but for the record I'd like to say I simply cannot take to Casey Stoner. Rossi 9 titles and to some degree on bikes that were not supposed to put him there. Stoner 1 title and a huge attitude problem. He'd have gone a long way to bite his tongue and not take on the polished Rossi PR machine. Prove your worth on the track, actions speak louder than words. It was a racing incident and in the heat of the moment a poor decission. Intentional NO! I must have been dreaming when I saw the officals going to the aid of Stoner also. He couldn't get his bike re-started and Rossi did. Bad sportsmanship in my eyes and this type of thing is reminiscent of many of Australia's high profile players, teams and officials. Not saying others don't spit the dummy either but we seem to do it on a much more frequent basis. I'd say the winner on the day is MotoGP due precisely to the exposure. I'm sure many more people will be watching the next race to see what happens. I know I will when otherwise I probably wouldn't ;)
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Nonsense Doc, Rossi f-ed up the marshals did ignore Stoner (bar 1) he motioned to them 6 of them made a half arsed attempt at push starting, 3 give up immediately, 1 falls over and that leaves the original marshal pushing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNe6VzhNo0&feature=player_embedded
There were approximately 10 or so marshals on the track, no procedure was followed and there appeared to be no communication
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Why play all sweet and nice, Rossi's 'apology' was as the FOX Sports link point out as a attempt to make himself look good. I don't even think Stoner see's the incident as anything other than a racing incident. However the pass was never on in the wet and shows just how desparate Rossi is for any sort of a result on the Ducati.
Stoner has proved his worth on the track, he's won more races than Rossi(Rossi has more podiums) 1 title to Stoner and 2 titles to Rossi( 09 Stoner was crook and sat out half a season). On the same bike .................
I can find at least 10 occasions Rossi has bitched and whinged to the media about a wide range of subjects, even lately suggesting Pedrosa should have to carry ballast ::) After THIS (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/4058935/Rossi_vs_Elias_Estoril_2006) bit of racing Rossi ran off at the mouth with this "I'm quite unhappy with Elias today because I think he was quite dangerous - more than once he passed me on the inside and then altered his line. This is not a correct way to race" and I could be here for days.
No doubt Dorna love the drama.
Col I'll run with David Emmett's assesment, Stoner is the fastest rider by far Rossi the best racer, though Lorenzo is rapidly filling the void in between.
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I like both Rossi and Stoner but when Stoner said to Rossi 'your ambition out weighed your talent' that was just farkin dumb!
9 titles versus 1 title...hello!
Whether you like it or not Rossi is the best of the modern era and probably the best ever. For all the people that have written him off he was also the fastest on the track until his crash, and yes it was a dodgy move. You'd be crazy write Rossi off yet, he's far from washed up.
Some people are quick to forget thet Rossi took the un competitive Yamaha to several world titles that no one else had won on since Rainey in '92.
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Standing at trackside clapping at Rossi as he went past flies in the face of Casey thinking little more of it than a racing incident Loz ;)
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/04/04/1226033/011247-spain-motogp-motorcycle-racing.jpg)
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Good photo Doc.. I reckon it was good of Rossi to acknowledge that he stuffed up by approaching Stoner afterwards but i doubt if he's do it again after Stoner's smartarse comments.
Stunt or no stunt it's good to see that he's man enough to admit publicly that he f...ed up.
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guess what,those were the exact words ROSSI spoke to STONER 3 years ago when stoner crashed out ,an insider joke too about "hows your shoulder",thats why it looked a bit odd to us who wern't in the know, :P
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Some people are quick to forget thet Rossi took the un competitive Yamaha to several world titles that no one else had won on since Rainey in '92.
Come on now, Johnny mate, I value your opinions highly but that's a long bow to draw : 500 two-stroke v 990 four-stroke, the only resemblance is the crossed tuning forks logo on the tank. Rest of your arguments stack up, but that's pushing it a little... ;)
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I feel the return to 990cc from 800cc will sort out the who's who and only time will tell ;) I also believe the 500 2 bangers were more animal than the fourstokes and it took a lot more rider skill to win consecutively. Doohan did it, Rossi did it, Rainey may well have done it had the thing not highsided him. Schwantz was good at stuffing a bike where it really didn't want to go but I don't think Casey would have made the grade back then when it was a lot more push and shove. I miss the 500's for the excitement they offered. Biased yes, I loved the 2 stroke animals I admit that ;)
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Dunno Doc, he's a hard-nosed little bugger and has been as quick as the rest on two-stroke 125s and 250s. I know you struggle to warm to him, but I've seen him live on allsorts and I value him highly : he doesn't get much help from the press, and at times doesn't do himself any favours in the dreaded PR game, but his record in dirt track on the way up against strong opposition is mind-boggling, he's been in the mix for years and I doubt even with the world title we've really seen ther best of him yet.
I really can't begin to calculate how stoked and impressed I am that his folks sacrificed their lives to back him to go all the way, bloody hell if any of us had the opportunity his folks gave him to follow a dream we'd be grateful all our lives. He's as good as anyone out there, has been patient on the way through and now is in a position to seize a second world title, and people are worried about him not being humble or obsequious to a multi-world champ with plenty of character flaws.
I recently pointed out to a mate of mine that Casey Stoner had been a world GP champ and been married before he was 21, and his reply was, "Bloody hell, at that age I was still trying to sort out my signature !"
So let's give the lad a bit of space, and see what happens... ;)
Regards GD
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I feel the return to 990cc from 800cc will sort out the who's who and only time will tell ;) I also believe the 500 2 bangers were more animal than the fourstokes and it took a lot more rider skill to win consecutively. Doohan did it, Rossi did it, Rainey may well have done it had the thing not highsided him. Schwantz was good at stuffing a bike where it really didn't want to go but I don't think Casey would have made the grade back then when it was a lot more push and shove. I miss the 500's for the excitement they offered. Biased yes, I loved the 2 stroke animals I admit that ;)
Doc don't forget Rainey was a 3 time champ on 500's, '90, '91', '92.
There is no doubting Stoner is a very good rider and capable of winning more titles(and hopefully he does) but him questioning Rossi's ability is just a joke.
GD you're right the 4 stroke doesn't really compare to the 500 but still Rossi was the one who was able to win on it and develope it into the package that others could win on.
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What I found interesting was that when Rossi barreled past Lorenzo, Lorenzo dropped back somewhat, and I thought "I wonder if he's thinking something might happen up ahead"............and sure enough.
Coincidence, or a cunning plan?
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Coincidence macca... Rossi's not known for crashing out.
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Standing at trackside clapping at Rossi as he went past flies in the face of Casey thinking little more of it than a racing incident Loz ;)
At this point Rossi took the bait and Stoner landed a whopper.Hmmm don't remember saying he was happy about it Doc ;D
GD you're right the 4 stroke doesn't really compare to the 500 but still Rossi was the one who was able to win on it and develope it into the package that others could win on.
Biaggi won on the M1 and the bike was way under developed(first iteration ran carbs), Biaggi and Checa complained of the exact same things Rossi did upon the first ride n the M1. Yamaha signing of Rossi co-incided with Masao Furusawa taking the reigns of the M1's development. Rossi would not have won any championships without Furusawa-san.
If Rossi developed the Yamaha others could win on,rather odd when Lorenzo/Forcada combo tweeked the rear of the M1 and started to win races on a regular basis Rossi gave Yamaha an ultimatum him or me ::)
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Standing at trackside clapping at Rossi as he went past flies in the face of Casey thinking little more of it than a racing incident Loz ;)
At this point Rossi took the bait and Stoner landed a whopper.Hmmm don't remember saying he was happy about it Doc ;D
GD you're right the 4 stroke doesn't really compare to the 500 but still Rossi was the one who was able to win on it and develope it into the package that others could win on.
Biaggi won on the M1 and the bike was way under developed(first iteration ran carbs), Biaggi and Checa complained of the exact same things Rossi did upon the first ride n the M1. Yamaha signing of Rossi co-incided with Masao Furusawa taking the reigns of the M1's development. Rossi would not have won any championships without Furusawa-san.
If Rossi developed the Yamaha others could win on,rather odd when Lorenzo/Forcada combo tweeked the rear of the M1 and started to win races on a regular basis Rossi gave Yamaha an ultimatum him or me ::)
Not a fan of Rossi i take it?
Rossi won 4 titles for Yamaha when they hadn't won for 13 years. How many did Biaggi and Checa win in motoGP?
Where was Furusawa when Rossi was winning titles on Aprilia and Honda? How many races did the other Yamaha motoGP riders win while Rossi was on Yamaha if it was all about the technician and not Rossi's ability?
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I think Stoners comments were spot on, on that corner Rossi's ambitions did outweigh his talent, for a 9 time world champ it was a very C grade move. I'm sure no one including Stoner denies Rossi's abilities, he has to be one of the top riders of all times. But give Casey a break, a guy just took him out with a piss poor move, he has every right to vent a bit of abuse and wave his arms around....I'd be doin the same at a club day if I got taken out!!!!
The thing that really shits me these days about most sport including MotoGp is the way the media has to make a human interest story out of everything, I couldn't give a shit only the racing matters. Rossi plays the media game but Casey does it under sufference so all of a sudden Casey is "difficult" Whinger" "bad attitude" etc. I remember at the time Rossi went to Yamaha the only people talking up how bad the M1 was Rossi & co and the press lapped it up and now it has become "fact" to everyone else in the paddock it was a great bike that needed 2 things...a decent rider and a little bit more top end, hardly the bag of bolts thats gets talked about in the press. But the press got their story of how the champion rider turned a team around ::)
PS I'm a huge fan of Rossi, Stoner & Lorenzo. Any time guys are riding as hard as these guys do for a championship is a great thing... not just riding around to collect points like we have seen in the past
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Not a fan of Rossi i take it?
Rossi won 4 titles for Yamaha when they hadn't won for 13 years. How many did Biaggi and Checa win in motoGP?
Where was Furusawa when Rossi was winning titles on Aprilia and Honda? How many races did the other Yamaha motoGP riders win while Rossi was on Yamaha if it was all about the technician and not Rossi's ability?
Not a fanboi at all and think his holding the sport to ransom to force Dorna to give Bridgestone tyres to him alone was dispicable.Prior to 2004 Furusawa-san was languishing in the suspension deptment of Yamaha snowmobiles before taking over the M1 project. They won a few races prior to Rossi signing with Yamaha, 3 or so for Biaggi and 1 maybe 2 for Checa.I never said it was ALL about the technician at all. Furusawa made the 4 valve head with the 90 deg flatplane crank when Yamaha's corporate ethos was welded to 5 valves and traditional 180 deg .Rossi's first test ride, Yamaha had several engine configurations for Rossi to try, he did 3 laps on Furusawa's baby and come and said "This is the engine I want, none of the others". As Furusawa explained last year that was vindication of what he had been saying all along about the M1.
Furthermore when Rossi was bleating about electronics and traction control kids , HIS M1 was the first bike equipped with predictive electronics, ie the bike learned as it went around the track and adjusted the torque to the wheel for tyre wear as the race progressed. The M1 had that since 2006.
Lornezo won quite a few races on the Yamaha.......................
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was a very C grade move.
Is the punch true....He's young :-\ but he won it !! 8)
cheers A
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5000 euro punch ;),shoulda fined randy for fugging about on the racing line at a third of the speed capabilities,poor simoncelli,a ride thru for outbraking pedrobot,spanish $'s in action there methinks ::),Stoner does a runner,french announcer goes nuts over Rossi on the podium for 3rd ffs!!,what a circus ::), :P
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Anybody watch the 125,s?
Last corner and the 16 year old in his 4th GP pulls off the impossible.
Brilliant.
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Anybody watch the 125,s?
Last corner and the 16 year old in his 4th GP pulls off the impossible.
Brilliant.
Maverick Vinales will be a name you hear more of , maybe he was on a promise from Paris Hilton(who sponsors the team) will serve Terol right for trying to ride a slow race and play silly buggers.
Nobody is backing Simoncelli's version of events and even his best pal Rossi said the move was not on. The move was dumb as he was clearly faster and no need for a desparado move, could have waited 2 corners for an easy pass. Got a dressing down from HRC as even with a third, Pedrosa would be leading the championship. Simoncelli has been riding like that for ages and still thinks he's done nothing wrong.
Ducati was still 14 seconds behind the leader, Yamaha is way down on HP too.
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My $0.02
Congratulations Casey a great win. He is certainly in a class above on the Honda.
Rossi has slipped even further down in my view. The way he was going on you'd have thought he had won the race! Let's face it he was gifted third place and waving to the crowd and carrying on during the national anthem show's how little respect he shows for anything other than his self promotion. Notwithstanding his previous career achievements I am yet to see him show the same amount of talent that we saw from Stoner on the same bike. Until he can make that pile of dog doo run at the front, on it's own merits, he will remain a circus act in my view.
Cheers
Shaun
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+1 well said
Brian
My $0.02
Congratulations Casey a great win. He is certainly in a class above on the Honda.
Rossi has slipped even further down in my view. The way he was going on you'd have thought he had won the race! Let's face it he was gifted third place and waving to the crowd and carrying on during the national anthem show's how little respect he shows for anything other than his self promotion. Notwithstanding his previous career achievements I am yet to see him show the same amount of talent that we saw from Stoner on the same bike. Until he can make that pile of dog doo run at the front, on it's own merits, he will remain a circus act in my view.
Cheers
Shaun
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My $0.02
Rossi has slipped even further down in my view. The way he was going on you'd have thought he had won the race! Let's face it he was gifted third place and waving to the crowd and carrying on during the national anthem show's how little respect he shows for anything other than his self promotion.
That's a cleaned-up version of my view.... ::)
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My $0.02
Congratulations Casey a great win. He is certainly in a class above on the Honda.
Rossi has slipped even further down in my view. The way he was going on you'd have thought he had won the race! Let's face it he was gifted third place and waving to the crowd and carrying on during the national anthem show's how little respect he shows for anything other than his self promotion. Notwithstanding his previous career achievements I am yet to see him show the same amount of talent that we saw from Stoner on the same bike. Until he can make that pile of dog doo run at the front, on it's own merits, he will remain a circus act in my view.
Cheers
Shaun
The Doc did push the Yamaha to a world champ, don,t forget that the Yammy was not so hot at that time and everyone said it couldn,t be done.
I still like the guy he,s fun.
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He did a good job at Yamaha but he also had a great deal of support behind him there. Ducati is another story. Maybe that will be different next year on the new bikes.
I just get sick of the hype that surrounds the Doctor while the achievements of Casey get downplayed because he doesn't play it up or have an entourage that follow him around the world providing media fodder.
Cheers
Shaun
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He did a good job at Yamaha but he also had a great deal of support behind him there. Ducati is another story. Maybe that will be different next year on the new bikes.
I just get sick of the hype that surrounds the Doctor while the achievements of Casey get downplayed because he doesn't play it up or have an entourage that follow him around the world providing media fodder.
Cheers
Shaun
Don,t get me wrong I want Casey to win but I also like a bit of fun as well and the Doc delivers that when everyone else is so serious. :)
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He did a good job at Yamaha but he also had a great deal of support behind him there. Ducati is another story. Maybe that will be different next year on the new bikes.
I just get sick of the hype that surrounds the Doctor while the achievements of Casey get downplayed because he doesn't play it up or have an entourage that follow him around the world providing media fodder.
Cheers
Shaun
The 1000cc Honda will be every bit as good as this years 800.
Casey Stoner doesn't care about selling flags or hats to punters all sitting together in a section of the grandstand can all wave on cue. I think he thrives on being the villian, the black hat cowboy or that gun for hire.
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Casey Stoner doesn't care about selling flags or hats to punters all sitting together in a section of the grandstand can all wave on cue. I think he thrives on being the villian, the black hat cowboy or that gun for hire.
You could be right Lozza, but I reckon he just loves racin' motorcycles.
All that Rossi Clown Prince stuff is just BS. Sure he a joker, until you threaten to beat him and then his true colours come out… I actually don't mind him, but it does get a bit wearing the way the media sucks up to him.
Casey is simply a racers racer.
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All that Rossi Clown Prince stuff is just BS. Sure he a joker, until you threaten to beat him and then his true colours come out… I actually don't mind him, but it does get a bit wearing the way the media sucks up to him.
You're being a bit cruel - it's what's needed to appeal to the wider audience, for better or worse. His Clown Prince act puts money in everyone's pocket including Casey's.
Casey is simply a racers racer.
+1 8).
And he appeals to me as the 'little Aussie Battler' and as the no nonsense 'quite achiever'.
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You're being a bit cruel - it's what's needed to appeal to the wider audience, for better or worse. His Clown Prince act puts money in everyone's pocket including Casey's.
I'm not trying to be cruel, just my opinion. 8)
But Rossi has proven to be as ruthless as any previous champion [and more ruthless than most] when he feels like it. That is not a criticism just a fact [in my opinion ;)].
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But Rossi has proven to be as ruthless as any previous champion [and more ruthless than most] when he feels like it. That is not a criticism just a fact [in my opinion ;)].
I agree. And he applies the ruthlessness and the Clown Prince with measured exactitude - a measure of his intelligence, an often overlooked quality of champions ;).
And I think Casey shows equal intelligence by playing to his strengths 8) and not having a personality battle with Rossi or being drawn into his machinations.
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Stoner fastest on day one at Catalunya. ;D
Watching out for Simo this weekend I reckon he'll be the biggest threat.
Go Casey!!!
Cheers
Shaun
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err simo sorta took a back seat in this one,don't think he wanted to go near anyone much,buggered the start,hung around rossi for a while ;),they (spaniards) still booed him at the end anyway,Ben Spies did good eh!,sorta changed his style abit,no more elbows ;),Caseys' on a mission, :P
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Go Stoner ,nice ride sideways most of the time looking forward to seeing him at the island .
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Simmo was about the last in on the warmup.... waved to the boo's & hisses on the way round, so, I guess he has made many more enemies in Spain. Not a good look for someone who aspires to be a world champ.
Casey won an important race ...Can JL win at Philip Island? lets wait and see
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What about the last lap in the 125 race,with the frenchman running wide and taking the Spaniard with him. Coming in first then getting the 20 second penalty ??? Boy we get away with a lot in Motocross ;) What's with the Paris Hilton sponsorship :-\
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A Spanish dance-party series called SuperMartXe is the team sponsor and Paris is the VIP celebrity. Very good for coverage and there's a couple of pics of the young rider Maverick Vinales ogling her tits at the press launch ;D
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I love Rossis respect for the history of the sport
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...Can JL win at Philip Island? lets wait and see
If JL is to win a GP this year, the least likely win is Philip Island ;) :)
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...Can JL win at Philip Island? lets wait and see
If JL is to win a GP this year, the least likely win is Philip Island ;) :)
I agree, and i hope Casey gets up again, JL was very humble at the press conference in Catalunya, maybe he is learning to be a bit human.. good to see
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A Spanish dance-party series called SuperMartXe is the team sponsor and Paris is the VIP celebrity. Very good for coverage and there's a couple of pics of the young rider Maverick Vinales ogling her tits at the press launch ;D
Well who wouldn't be
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This is Casey Stoner's 'electronics' working overtime ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOSCTKEBvSo&feature=player_embedded
Stoner will be shooting for 5 on the trot at PI this year, which section of the track should be named after him?
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Well who wouldn't be
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/1292679011.jpg)
Will I look at the head or will I look at the tits? Hmmm, well you couldn't pay me to look at the head so I'll look at the tits. ;) ;D
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But you're not 16, sure he's look upward & not at the camel toe? ;D
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"And this is precisely what has been dividing MotoGP fans over the past year, since Stoner moved to Honda and Rossi switched to Ducati, and the comparison between the two. Such comparisons are inherently flawed, and so far, most have shown a blatant disregard for either one half or another of the facts. Only an idiot would regard what Casey Stoner has done on the Ducati and is doing on the Honda as being solely attributable to the bike, and only an idiot would write a nine-time World Champion off after just six races on a new (and notoriously difficult) machine. Apparently, though, there is no shortage of idiots, though in my experience, this is the same regardless of the subject at hand."
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/06/13/2011_silverstone_motogp_sunday_round_up_.html
Amazing all the 'experts' storming to the moral high ground after years of pontificating and bagging out Casey ::). It's the best thing happening at the mo, Casey's talent being brought into focus and appreciation 8).
The corollary is there to be seen as well; how much of Rossi's talent, race wins and lack of injury has been because he has had the best of everything for years; the poffteenth 1/10th of second lap the differences?
Go Casey (http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/wings.gif)
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I watched the race last night, what A fantastic ride by Casey...I think Rossi will sort the Ducati out and will come back swinging. You can see how bad that bike behaves and he still managed to keep it upright (whilst many others failed,on better bikes). It was A slow race, but it was the best race ive watched in A while, edge of the seat viewing.
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...I think Rossi will sort the Ducati out and will come back swinging.
Not in this lifetime ;) - well at least the lifetime of this Ducati chassis ;D.
and he still managed to keep it upright (whilst many others failed,on better bikes).
What!!!! :o a minute and four seconds behind - and Casey probably could have put another 20-40 seconds on to that if he had been pushed ;).
Rossi wasn't even trying ::). Either he's had a collapse of morale or he is 'punishing' Ducati trying to spur or embarrass them in to some drastic action. He's team mate was 38 seconds in front of him. The same team mate he has regularly being beating up until now.
Vale only got 6th because ballsier riders fell over pushing hard (smart move for the conditions or not is another thing :P )
Pos. No. Rider Manufacturer Time Diff
1 27 Casey STONER HONDA 47'53.459
2 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO HONDA 48'08.618 15.159
3 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 48'14.939 21.480
4 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 48'20.443 26.984
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SUZUKI 48'29.028 35.569
6 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 48'57.985 1'04.526
7 17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI 49'26.109 1'32.650
8 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 49'45.397 1'51.938
9 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA HONDA 49'45.809 1'52.350
10 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 49'56.771 2'03.312
11 8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 48'10.582 1 lap
12 14 Randy DE PUNIET DUCATI 48'13.094 1 lap
Not Classified
58 Marco SIMONCELLI HONDA 24'04.277 10 laps
1 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA 19'18.287 12 laps
11 Ben SPIES YAMAHA 17'14.283 13 laps
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How ashamed would you feel to have been beaten by the 37yo Colin Edwards who broke his collarbone the weekend before, the commentators couldn't believe how well he was doing during qualifying.
Thats what I consider to be a hard man
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How ashamed would you feel to have been beaten by the 37yo Colin Edwards who broke his collarbone the weekend before, the commentators couldn't believe how well he was doing during qualifying.
Thats what I consider to be a hard man
That morphine is good shit hey :D.
He should take it for all his races ;D.
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Simoncelli needs another kick up the arse, he's had 3 DNF's and 3 average finishes, Rossi is 4th in the championship by not even sticking his neck out.
Stoner is on fire, he's fastest in every session etc etc.
I doubt the Ducati with Rossi on board will score a genuine podium this year,it's just not fast enough and they are going up blind alleys with 'development'.
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B-b-but Jeremy Burgess claimed the Ducati's woes were no more than "an 80-second fix".... :D
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Think he mean the cumulative time Rossi would be behind Stoner after every GP. Funny how the stream of positive spin has dried up from JB. The greatest load of waffle come from twitter happy Alex Briggs making a big deal of moving the screen up 3mm.
What has also changed is a relaxed Casey Stoner has got on top of the PR game and shoots his arrows with the same accuracy he rides the Honda
from Motomatters
I asked Stoner whether he took any pleasure in seeing Rossi struggle on the bike, after Rossi had made a few pointed comments about the Australian's performance on the bike in 2010, suggesting that it was hard to tell the potential of the 2010 Ducati because Stoner simply wasn't riding it hard enough. But what had upset Stoner most had not been the comments from Rossi about his riding, but from Jeremy Burgess about his team's inability to fix the bike's problems. "For me the biggest one was Jerry Burgess saying that he'd fix the bike in 80 seconds. This is saying things against my team, calling them stupid, basically, that we're useless, we can't do anything, we can't set up a bike. They've had it for long enough now to be able to do something with it, but they still seem to be struggling with it," Stoner said.
But Stoner still has sympathy for Ducati, though. "The fact that Ducati's struggling with it doesn't make me happy. I know how much effort those guys put into that bike and what they do, and they're not getting a reward for this. So I really feel for them, but at the same time, it's better if people keep their opinions to themselves until they've tested things,"Stoner added, referring to Burgess' comments on setup. "They looked at the bike from the outside and thought they knew exactly what it needed, and have since been proven wrong."
Ouch
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It's been a good season so far. But I also really enjoyed the GP classics that they replayed when they were on the 500 2 bangers ;)
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B-b-but Jeremy Burgess claimed the Ducati's woes were no more than "an 80-second fix".... :D
I bet JB has regrets for those comments ::) - very uncharacteristic of him. I think he got caught up in Rossi's attempted psych out of Casey.
I hope those comments don't become his legacy :-\. It's been too good a career for that to become his defining moment.
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He has been good for a sincere interview grab for yonks, but has been talking cobblers for about 18 months now and is doing himself no favours.
Casey has always been a bit under-armed in the pr department, but as has been pointed out, is certainly getting it done these days. Worth the wait...
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You can see how bad that bike behaves and he still managed to keep it upright (whilst many others failed,on better bikes).
"Hayden's best race lap was a huge 2.898sec quicker than the best lap of team-mate and seven time MotoGP Valentino Rossi,....."
Same bike, same team, same race, same conditions, same effort? - Rossi can take very little away from that race. That's not safe, that's slow ;) ::).
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/170264/1/hayden_fastest_lap_full_respect_to_edwards.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdqTMPwjqR8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdqTMPwjqR8
Never, never, never mix pain killers with beer!!!!!! ..... and then talk in public ;) :D
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oooh,now theres a dream team,suzuka 8hr???, :P
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Whose the old guy with Casey ::)
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X 5 World Champion but best known for head butting a bouncer at the Darwin Casino
"$5000 to head butt a bouncer was a bargain" (sic late 'Magoo') ;D
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Lovely pic, looks like it genuinely means something to both of them.
Passing of the mantle.. ;)
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Whose the old guy with Casey ::)
some guy that used to wear a hat that at least looked wore inn....now don't get me wrong I love Aust RR and Casey but do they have to give him a new hat everyday...Talk about Richy Rich ::) ;D
ps nice to see oldskool and young blood crackin it together 8)
cheers A
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A great race by Casey. But everyone is talking about the courage and pain of Loranzo and Peddy - fair enough, but there is not a hint of admiration for Casey. I don't think it worries Casey. He probably prefers it that way - not being bothered by the pesty press.
Rossi was 24 seconds slower than Casey on a Duke last year and 30 seconds off the pace this year and he still talks like a hero and no one has asked him the hard questions.
Rossi 6th 2011, 44m22.496s Casey 2rd 2010, 43.58.390.
If Casey did what he did last year he would have been third this year.
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A great race by Casey. But everyone is talking about the courage and pain of Loranzo and Peddy - fair enough, but there is not a hint of admiration for Casey. I don't think it worries Casey. He probably prefers it that way - not being bothered by the pesty press.
Rossi was 24 seconds slower than Casey on a Duke last year and 30 seconds off the pace this year and he still talks like a hero and no one has asked him the hard questions.
Rossi 6th 2011, 44m22.496s Casey 2rd 2010, 43.58.390.
If Casey did what he did last year he would have been third this year.
How quickly people forget. Rossi has dominated motorcycle racing for a decade with titles in all 3 classes, his reign at the top has to end one day yet people talk like he never did anything. WTF?? :o
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That's because everyone can see ,Rossi finaly has some stiff competition with riders at the top of their game, immune to purile mind games and not on the downside of their careers.
I hear OCC will fabricate the frame for the next Ducati
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The other sobering thought for Rossi and his chauvinistic fans is 'If Casey was still riding for Ducati with as much support and clout as Rossi has had, would he be running in 6th as the Best of the Rest?'
The answer would be a resounding NO!
Some day they may come to realise Casey could develop a bike and then he turned up to race on Sunday, come what may. IOW he has been riding the wheels off the Ducati and the Gassini Honda for year and not getting the recognition for it.
Casey is a racer's racer - he does an A grade job, on a B grade bike, on a B grade day, on a B grade team ;) 8). I think JL and Peddy can lay claim to the same. Rossi is a great racer but......
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Casey is a racer's racer - he does an A grade job, on a B grade bike, on a B grade day, on a B grade team ;) 8). I think JL and Peddy can lay claim to the same. Rossi is a great racer but......
Ha ha.. Rossi won the championship first year on the Yamaha that hadn't won a title for many years, even his team mates on the same bike couldn't win races.
Stoner has been in Moto GP for about 6 years for his 1 title.
Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa are very good but only time will tell if any of them can beat Rossi's achievements.
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Casey is a racer's racer - he does an A grade job, on a B grade bike, on a B grade day, on a B grade team ;) 8). I think JL and Peddy can lay claim to the same. Rossi is a great racer but......
Ha ha.. Rossi won the championship first year on the Yamaha that hadn't won a title for many years, even his team mates on the same bike couldn't win races.
Stoner has been in Moto GP for about 6 years for his 1 title.
Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa are very good but only time will tell if any of them can beat Rossi's achievements.
And who was his opposition?
In racing terms Rossi was born with a silver spoon in his mouth - he has had the best of the best from the word go.
There is no question, and the stats support it, that Rossi is a great rider. But probably not as great as he and his fans would make out or his stats would suggest. A bit like Ago - great stats but no opposition.
Just give Casey his due respect ;).
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That's because everyone can see ,Rossi finaly has some stiff competition with riders at the top of their game, immune to purile mind games and not on the downside of their careers.
I hear OCC will fabricate the frame for the next Ducati
Come on Lozza tell us what you really think.
I have never been much of a Rossi fan, but his stint at Ducati is going to seriously dent his reputation and the way history will view him. As I have said before JB and co should have stayed at Yamaha and worked with Ben Spies and Rossi should have gone to Ducati and stood on his own two feet.
The current Rossi/Ducati situation sure does make Stoner look good after his results on the Duc.
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A GRADE JOB
ON B GRADE BIKE
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GUY
NEXT TO CASEY
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That's because everyone can see ,Rossi finaly has some stiff competition with riders at the top of their game, immune to purile mind games and not on the downside of their careers.
I hear OCC will fabricate the frame for the next Ducati
I caught the end of an interview with JB on channel Ten. One of the interesting observations he made was 'they are on the same tyres, with the same wheels, the same brakes, the same suspension.....and Ducati is the one having trouble' (implying the chassis type was the only difference).
Here's another interesting view. The start (and Casey's overtake) is more uphill than it appears on the TV.
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Ha ha.. Rossi won the championship first year on the Yamaha that hadn't won a title for many years, even his team mates on the same bike couldn't win races.
Stoner has been in Moto GP for about 6 years for his 1 title.
Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa are very good but only time will tell if any of them can beat Rossi's achievements.
04 Rossi got the choice of 4 different engine configurations, with his choice being Furusawa's baby the 4 valve cross plane crank engine(when corporately welded to 5valve with 2 up 2 down configuration). In 06 the M1(in Rossi's words) "de bike ee get very smart" with the most sophisticated electronics package ever seen. Compare this to 02 when the M1 arrived with 930cc and still running carburetors. No other Yamaha rider ever got that sort of backing.
Stoners first year in MotoGP was on a satelite bike with crap off the shelf tyres, Ramon Forcada reckons Stoner did a good a job as he could have.Won second year in MotoGP.Lets see Rossi's record after 5 yrs on the Ducati ::)
We seen at Sachsenring what Rossi can do without JB holding his hand, out qualified a injured Loris Caparossi in 16th place and finished 2 seconds ahead of Hector Barbera on a customer bike.
Rossi/JB have dug a hole so big the only thing that will get them out is painting a M1 red and putting Ducati stickers on it.The 90deg V has a lot to do with it as well, problem will be if the decision to move away from the frameless concept and 90 deg V goes away from the Ducati Corse and becomes a management decision as those 2 things are Ducati's DNA.
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In his autobiography Rossi was quite complimentary about the Yamaha when he first got on to it. He said it was much better than most people thought. It was, he felt, put together by a committee and needed the touch of a "master" to make it complete.
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How good is Casey going?
Touch wood, he can go on with it and prove that his win several years ago was definitely not a fluke.
Where are the Dukes by the way?
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How good is Casey going?
Touch wood, he can go on with it and prove that his win several years ago was definitely not a fluke.
Where are the Dukes by the way?
Go Casey (http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/AUS3.gif) ;D.
And how bad is Rossi going. He should have listened to Casey last year rather than try to take the opportunity to bag him out. Casey said the chassis was at the limit of development and Ducati needed a new chassis to make progress.
I think at every track Casey's last year's race times were faster than Rossi's.
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How good is Casey going?
Touch wood, he can go on with it and prove that his win several years ago was definitely not a fluke.
Where are the Dukes by the way?
Go Casey (http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/AUS3.gif) ;D.
And how bad is Rossi going. He should have listened to Casey last year rather than try to take the opportunity to bag him out. Casey said the chassis was at the limit of development and Ducati needed a new chassis to make progress.
I think at every track Casey's last year's race times were faster than Rossi's.
It certainly has been a great investment by Ducati - not. :( To be going slower than they were last year with the huge investment they have made must be driving them nuts.
I remember Ross Brawn saying that, dollar for dollar, Schumacher was the best money Ferrari ever spent - cheaper than a new wind tunnel, or additional engineers, etc. If his lap times don't improve then perhaps Rossi will have to pay Ducati to allow him to ride the bike. I bet Lorenzo is so happy he stayed where he was and didn't go for the big bucks.
Casey must just smile and mumble "I told you so" everytime he goes anywhere near Rossi/Burgess/Ducati.
Go #27!!!!!
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A freind of mine does Photos at the GP's and sends me pictures, the first thing that stood out when he sent some from that round was the angles in many of the pictures. No longer is it all about knee sliders, i reckon next stoner willl need elbow sliders.
That is some serious angles and he aint that tall either.
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Lean angles are around 65 deg max. The 1000fps footage Stoner make two wheel drifting look like anyone could do it.
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Freaky: that is a seriously good pic.
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Go Casey (http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/AUS3.gif)
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Jean Philippe Ruggia was the first bloke I ever saw scraping his elbows. Must a have been 15 years ago, I reckon.
I've scraped my elbows more than once on both dirt and bitumen........... unfortunately I was also scraping my helmet at the same time.... :-\
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Well done again Casey But how good was Moto 2 ?Best race of the year by far .The first 14 laps were like the last lap . 8)
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Great ride, great win; but how poxy is the livery :o.
I take it that it was special livery to celebrate the likely 100th Repsol Honda win, and yet it doesn't have the vaguest visual association with the last 20 years of Repsol Honda's :-\. And it looks poxy to boot. Go figure.
Some one in Repsol Honda marketing just got an 'F' - and probably the heave ho :-\.
Its a good thing poor taste didn't slow the Honda or Casey ;D.
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I'm the odd one out but the paint job grew on me. Millimeter perfect in that shot hugging the white line on the inside. Ducati going great with all the ace development work ;)
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Speaking of Ducati, now that Rossi has broken the number of allowable engines rule will he be starting 10 seconds behind everyone else from the pit lane or is that a 1 off? Goes to show how desperate they're getting to prove that Stoner wasn't trying last year like certain people reckoned
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Speaking of Ducati, now that Rossi has broken the number of allowable engines rule will he be starting 10 seconds behind everyone else from the pit lane or is that a 1 off? Goes to show how desperate they're getting to prove that Stoner wasn't trying last year like certain people reckoned
Race time this year 42'16.530, last year 42'17.427; Casey's race time was just less than a second faster than same race last year,
Rossi's race time was 42'56.362 (+39.832) slower than Casey this year and 38.935 seconds slower than Casey's race time last year.
Allow 10 seconds for the pit start, allow 10 seconds for changes in track surface, allow 10 seconds for dealing with traffic and Rossi is still more than 10 seconds off Casey's last year pace despite the beck and call of the Ducati Factory, with new chassis, buckets of development etc.,etc.
The world is going to come to the conclusion Casey must have known what he was talking about last year and he must have ridden the wheels off the thing to get the results he did ;).
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http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20110920
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http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20110920
Thanks Mick, a great interview 8). Some great quotable quotes there ;) :)
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Some great news for the Motegi round this weekend. Journeyman rider Damian Cudlin is subbing for the injured Loris Caparossi on the Pramac Ducati. Be interesting to see where he qualifies ::)
If Stoner wins he only need score 4 pts at Phillip Island to seal the title.
Remember it's on in the daytime to .......... ;D
If you can't get to a telle there is always
fromsportcom.com and vipbox.com where you can watch all sessions live and brush up on your Espanol
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Some great news for the Motegi round this weekend. Journeyman rider Damian Cudlin is subbing for the injured Loris Caparossi on the Pramac Ducati. Be interesting to see where he qualifies ::)
I hope he's being paid shit loads - it will be the Kiss of Death ::) if he has any real MotoGP ambitions.
Maybe Casey can sit him down for an Aussie to Aussie chin wag over a Barbie and an ale or two and give him a few pointers ;D
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OOOps if thats to hard to read save as Jpag and zoom in . oR right click and copy the propertires link and open up my Phot bucket, its full size in there.
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Casey has got it in the bag as long as he goes steady, Valentino went for the cash so I am sure he has a few million reasons to keep smiling and alls well that ends well.
Be nice to see Casey win on Phillip Island, the Island is usually pretty kind to the Aussies, who can forget Wayne's fairy tail victory and the big emotional celebration with Donna. Or the GoGo Shows humerous antics there. Just it is a pity that there are not more Aussies and even a Kiwi in contention. Casey looks like the Lone Ranger.
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What is MotoGP trying to say, or is it just a Freudian Slip - of all the mug shots it is only Casey with a big broad smile ;D.
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Maybe the photos were taken the afternoon of the first public test of this year's Ducati race bike... :D
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Big broad smile = Aussie, need I say more?
He's leading the life of Riley, enjoying the ride.
Serious but it ain't the be all and end all.
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Anyone Going to the island? My wife and i are going to be in the Moto Heaven Marquee should be lots of fun.
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ME , I managed to jag a pit pass with Sandro Cortese's 125 team, will learn the secrets of the mighty disc valve ;) Be there at sparrowfart on thursday.
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ME , I managed to jag a pit pass with Sandro Cortese's 125 team, will learn the secrets of the mighty disc valve ;) Be there at sparrowfart on thursday.
Take your porting tools Lozza and show them some of your VMX secrets - could be good for a podium [or two]!! ;)
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ME , I managed to jag a pit pass with Sandro Cortese's 125 team, will learn the secrets of the mighty disc valve ;) Be there at sparrowfart on thursday.
Must be the last couple of races before 2 strokes become a distant memory as well. Put in an offer for a bike to hang on the wall.
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Faking it before you make it.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXMEoPl-2so&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wNv695W_sY&NR=1
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ME , I managed to jag a pit pass with Sandro Cortese's 125 team, will learn the secrets of the mighty disc valve ;) Be there at sparrowfart on thursday.
Take your porting tools Lozza and show them some of your VMX secrets - could be good for a podium [or two]!! ;)
I'll take some needle files and a copy of the email Jan Thiel sent me and a grab bag of " they don't do that in vmx" type cliches" ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry Marc I'll be taking my cheque book................................... ;)
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I must say Lozza, Ya aged well. Ya looking particularly 'vintage'. ;D
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Some great news for the Motegi round this weekend. Journeyman rider Damian Cudlin is subbing for the injured Loris Caparossi on the Pramac Ducati. Be interesting to see where he qualifies ::)
Old Loris must be just about ready to cash it in a draw his pension ..... Damian might be OK on the bike and if not can't do him any harm to sleeze about the pits.
Bet Ducati are regreting scrapping a successful Superbike effort for an also ran MotoGP one.....
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Man that thing is butt ugly. The Harley crowd will probably love it. :D
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Stoner is finally getting some recognition from the general press. (My underlining and highlighting ;) :).)
"Ducati's new generation v-twin 1200cc sports bike will be announced at the EICMA International Motorcycle Show in Milan this November. What we know for sure is that it will be named the "Ducati 1199 Panigale" and that it will not use the traditional Ducati trellis frame but a roadgoing version of the frameless design which has been raced and evaluated rather unsuccessfully by the world's best rider - Valentino Rossi. It seems like a massive gamble for a company that has traditionally attracted customers with its race-winning superbikes. Rumours suggest that the new road bike will weigh in at 176 kg wet and produce 195 bhp. How well it will handle will be the issue.
Indeed, the 2011 MotoGP season has seen several things brought into question by Ducati's MotoGP program. The first is whether Casey Stoner was riding "above and beyond" in winning 23 times in four seasons on the Ducati - despite ill health and injury, his four years with the team yielded 23 wins, 21 pole positions and 20 fastest laps.
The most successful rider on the Desmosedici other than Stoner was Loris Capirossi who podiumed (meaning he was one of the first three finishers) 23 times including seven wins from 82 starts.
Other top riders employed by Ducati to ride the Desmosedici have had woeful results. Sete Gibernau was a contender for the MotoGP title in 2003 and 2004 but once on the Desmosedici, didn't get the bike on the podium once, and it almost wrecked the career of Italian Marco Melandri who didn't get near the podium during a season of trying. Melandri won five times at MotoGP level on a Honda, went backwards on the Ducati in 2008, then took the only ride on offer on a satellite Kawasaki in 2009, managing to get the uncompetitive Kwaka on the podium in a wet French Grand Prix. His results on the unsupported Kawasaki were significantly better than on the factory Desmosedici.
Superbike champion Troy Bayliss rode the bike in 33 races for four third places and a win. World Champ Nicky Hayden has had 49 starts on the bike for three thirds and no wins.
Since the bike was given a carbon fibre chassis at the beginning of 2009, only Stoner appears to have been able to ride it - from 94 starts by the factory bike (Hayden 49, Rossi 14, Stoner 31 - all world champions at the highest level), Hayden has scored just three podiums (all third place), Valentino Rossi has just one third place to his credit, while Stoner scored 17 podiums including seven wins.
Every one of the riders has criticized the bike for its lack of feedback from the front end. To highlight this lack of competitiveness by the Ducati, Stoner has swapped back onto a conventional bike in 2011 and been even better - eight wins, one second and four third places so far this year. Oh, plus one DNF where Valentino Rossi on the Ducati uncharacteristically lost control and t-boned him, putting him out of the race. On the Ducati, Stoner got on the podium just over 50% of the time - on the conventional Honda, it would be 100%, if not for the Ducati's lack of feel under brakes which caused the crash.
The biggest problem is that by placing the rider everyone perceived as the best in the world on the bike, Ducati has clearly highlighted that only Stoner appears capable of dealing with the Desmosedici's unpredictable nature - all those times Stoner crashed for no apparent reason now take on a whole new perspective, and Stoner is arguably the best rider in the world at the moment in light of the new season results.
The ability of Rossi and his crew-chief Jeremy Burgess to develop a bike to winning speed was thought to be a given at the end of last season but the complete lack of success leaves little doubt that the problem is with the frame design, and even more likely, with the suitability of a composite monocoque chassis for competition purposes. Stoner remains the only person to have won a MotoGP race using a carbon fibre chassis of any description and we discussed the problems Ducati would face at the beginning of 2009.
That Ducati discounted Stoner's input is now painfully obvious. He found it almost impossible to get upgrades and changes to the bike during the seasons in which he rode it and to his immense credit, he didn't whinge about it.
Valentino Rossi's input is getting a lot more cred though, and he tested the fifth brand new chassis of the season at private tests held at Aragon last week. Italian sources claim that the frame was a traditional aluminum frame similar to those used by every other MotoGP machine of the last few decades.
Even if the frame produces good results (difficult to establish because track conditions vary from day to day), Ducati cannot use it in 2011 because the engine is designed for the carbon fibre frame and every time Ducati uses a new motor from this point forward, it will need to start the race from pit lane, just as Rossi did in Aragon on September 18.
That Ducati will suffer due to the Ducati MotoGP programme's failure to produce results is fairly obvious but not necessarily hugely so. Suzuki and Kawasaki aren't unduly penalised in the sale of their road bikes due to lacklustre MotoGP performances, as prototype racing is only vaguely relevant.
Superbike racing is different though. Superbikes are very closely related to the bikes on the showroom floor and Ducati's rise as a sports bike manufacturer is directly linked to its performances in Superbike racing. Its 303 Superbike wins have contributed directly to the success of its road bikes. Indeed, its dominance of superbike racing (all the other manufacturers together only have 283 wins to their credit) has largely been the basis for its success as a manufacturer.
What I find astounding is that the very feature that appears to be the focus of the marque's MotoGP problems (the engine is unquestionably competitive - it's the frame that is the problem) has been incorporated into the next major upgrade for its top-of-the-range roadbike, and hence its superbikes for the future.
As you might have gathered, the Panigale (pronounced "Pan-ee-gah-lee") and named after the Borgo Panigale area of Ducati's home town Bologna, is to feature the same frame design as these Ducati patent drawings show - the same frame design that they can't get to work oin a race bike at the highest level, with the best rider in the world.
Ducati's commitment to the production of the Panigale was obviously made quite some time ago, as can be seen from the patent documents we published more than 18 months ago.
As the time of unveiling has drawn closer, lots of information has been leaking as to the specifications of the bike, and it appears Ducati is purposefully building the suspense with these leaks.
The "rumours" suggest the new 1200cc V-twin superbike replacement for the 1198 range has a radically oversquare (112mm bore) V-twin engine with 195bhp, and the new engine will have lost the toothed belt cam drive in favour of gear-drive, just as the Desmosedici's cams are driven.
The new engine is hence 15 bhp stronger than the existing 1198R and credible rumours also have it coming in at a weight of just 176 kg wet (i.e. ready to roll, with a thimble full of gas). If the numbers are correct, this would give it a better power to weight ratio than any existing 1000cc sports bike and make it 19 kg lighter than the current lightest of that group - the Kawasaki ZX10R.
The Panigale will reportedly have LED lighting, two underbelly exhausts to reduce and centralize weight and a horizontal shock absorber as part of the rear suspension and swingarm construct which bolts to the rear of the motor.
There's no doubt the 1199 will see the trellis frame gone and frame-less construction for the first time - no-one is quite sure whether the box structure between the steering head and the motor will be of carbon composite or aluminum at this stage, but it should be pointed out that Ducati has tried both at MotoGP level this year and neither of them has worked.
The Ducati 1199 Panigale will not make its world superbike debut until 2013, though it will be raced in the 2012 FIM Superstock Championship, a series it currently leads in 2011. A 2012 version of the existing 1198 will be offered to superbike teams, and after Carlos Checa's likely win this year, it'll be interesting to see how many superbike teams are queued up for 2013 when the no-frame model is ready.
The overwhelming evidence is that the new Panigale is a ripsnorter of a machine. The numbers alone suggest it will be extremely fast. Even Troy Bayliss, who has been a major part of the development oif the machine tweeted earlier this week, "Been a while but anyone worried about the new Ducati Superbike need not, matched my best time ever in the arvo when track is bit slower."
Ducati must be very confident of the Panigale to be forging ahead with its introduction in light of the issues being experienced by the best rider in the world, and arguably the best racebike engineer in the world (Jeremy Burgess). If the Panigale fails on the racetrack, it will put a massive hole in Ducati's roadbike sales.
Indeed, anything less than winning could be corporate suicide ... and if the 200 bhp superbike is as good as they say it is, why can't the same frame be made to work even passably on a 250 bhp MotoGP bike.
It's a huge risk to take with the reputation of a successful company.
Oh, and that's Ducati's Panigale teaser video below."
http://www.gizmag.com/ducati--new-frame-design-panigale-1199/19990/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=e425dd4257-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
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Bet Ducati are regreting scrapping a successful Superbike effort for an also ran MotoGP one.....
Oh I don't know. Satellite team and Checa are walking away with it. Cheap championship for Ducati.
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What a cracker!
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Always good to see Rossi turn down onto Lorenzo's rear tyre when he couldn't wait any longer for him to turn in...a situation not helped by all those wankers dangling their inside legs in the breeze in the middle of a tightly-bunched pack... ::)
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...a situation not helped by all those wankers dangling their inside legs in the breeze in the middle of a tightly-bunched pack... ::)
Grrrrrrrr!!!
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Gee Caseys Nose wheely at 300ks was a heart stopper .Just to make sure the pads are in place after head shake.Boy these guys really earn there money. :o
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The leg waving thing annoys the crap out of me too GD no matter who does it. No explanation is usually forthcoming except that it feels good...whatever ::) a good race on the whole though 8)
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Gee Caseys Nose wheely at 300ks was a heart stopper .Just to make sure the pads are in place after head shake.Boy these guys really earn there money. :o
The slow mo showed 2 grabs at the lever........................... :o
Was gutted when Bautista troweled the Suzuki.
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Gee Caseys Nose wheely at 300ks was a heart stopper
I had the same thing happen to me, although mine was a lot slower (about 180) and not only did it scare the crap out of me but also the guy behind me
I imagine Stoner's heart rate spiked (and his sphincter tightened a bit too ;D) when he grabbed the lever the first time and it came all the way to the bar :o
Good to the Suzuki going so well, especially compared to the Ducati given the amount of resources, riders etc they are thowing at it, they should probably throw away that carbon chassis and just go twin spar like everybody else and maybe they'll start winning again
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they should probably throw away that carbon chassis and just go twin spar like everybody else and maybe they'll start winning again
err that chassis is the centerpiece of Ducati's new generation sports bikes.... 1199 ?, frameless construction is really not a big jump for Ducati as the swingarm has been attached to the back of the engine for yonks and not much (2 bolts) hold the trellis frame to the engine. Sweet to work on, I can strip my F1 down to its major bits in under an hour.
Carbon frameless design has the whiff of Britten or Bimota Tesi about it.
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Always good to see Rossi turn down onto Lorenzo's rear tyre when he couldn't wait any longer for him to turn in...a situation not helped by all those wankers dangling their inside legs in the breeze in the middle of a tightly-bunched pack... ::)
I always thought your feet stayed on the pegs on a roadie unless you were getting ready to bite the dust. :-\
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Those "wankers" are the best riders in the world
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No argument there Col, but my brother was shattered to go along to a club meeting at Hampton Downs last year and find a field of Neville Nobodies in a club production race all doing the same thing in true clueless copycat fashion... ::)
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Bet it won't be long before you see leg dangling in everyday traffic on the streets. Fair enough if there was proven merit other than 'it feels natural' but that type of stuff belongs with Super Motards. Copycat is true, it all started with Rossi originally seen only in desperate situations. Monkey see, monkey do.
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Copycat is true, it all started with Rossi originally seen only in desperate situations.
He would have had his leg stuck out , even out of bed, on a permenant basis this year ......................... ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNkzVxfM6Q&feature=player_embedded
Howz that for cool, calm, collected and insightful :)
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http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/173934/1/hayden_you_need_guts_here.html
"A Ducati rider has finished on the MotoGP podium at Phillip Island, venue for this weekend's Australian Grand Prix, every year except 2006, when Sete Gibernau missed out on third by just 0.0989sec.
Nicky Hayden, who will make his 150th MotoGP start this Sunday, knows it'll be a tough task to continue that form, after a season in which he and factory team-mate Valentino Rossi have taken just one rostrum each.
“Phillip Island traditionally has been a really good track for our bike… A podium is going to be a little bit tougher this year, but we'll see what happens,” said Hayden, who just missed out on a podium last year, in a race won by team-mate Casey Stoner.
“This track is really fast, that's what sets it apart, and having the ocean in the background. When you are comfortable here you can be really fast. You have to be brave though and you need guts, especially at Turn 3. If you are tip-toeing through there it'll ruin your lap time.
"It's tougher with the wind, which around here can be really nasty. Hopefully we get some decent weather and have a good go.”
The American also commented on the amount of work his team and factory had put into the Desmosedici this year.
“We've obviously tried a lot of options, probably too many and maybe got a bit confused, but it's just because we want to do well and get to the front," said Hayden.
"I don't think Ducati has got the credit it deserves for how hard it has worked, and how hard it has tried to give me, Valentino and the rest of the Ducati riders the best opportunity to get results.
"Now we have three more chances this season before the introduction of the 1000cc bikes next year.”
Hayden will become only the ninth rider in GP history to reach the milestone of 150 starts in the premier-class.
Only two other American riders have made more premier-class GP starts than Hayden; Kenny Roberts Jr. with 167 premier-class and Colin Edwards who reached the 150-start milestone four weeks ago at the Aragon GP.
Hayden and Edwards both made their MotoGP debut at the start of 2003. "
I wonder what chassis Vale is running at P.I. We might have to ask our Man on the Scene; Loz? ;) :D
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Nearly .6sec in front of Lorenzo and 1.5sec in front of Valentino in FP2 8) ;).
I wonder what chassis Vale is running?
http://motomatters.com/results/2011/10/14/2011_phillip_island_motogp_fp2_result_st.html
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Casey Stoner is on it 100% every lap. Had some awesome sights, Toni Elias doing his shopping at Coles was a classic. Guests of Team Germany rider Sandro Cortese is top of the 125 class ;D
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Stoner is on it, set quickest time and then had a swing at the organisers for the state of the track. Said the turn one ripples and bumps are getting much worse, cars have buggered it. It was actually pretty ropey before, must be downright scary now. Last time they resurfaced it the track was excellent for years, so they're probably due again. Must admit, unlike most pommy forum keyboard racers, I've never really seen Stoner as a whinger, more just tells it like it is : actually quite refreshing when normally all you get from riders is sanitised PR-speak. Can't wait to see him drifting through turns 3 and 12 on Sunday... :o
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the rest of the world is finally figuring it out ;D
Casey Stoner is owed a collective apology by the MotoGP world, according to one of the sport's most respected figures.
Carlo Pernat, the former Aprilia sporting director and first man to sign superstar Valentino Rossi, said Stoner was unfairly criticised as he fought illness and injury in recent years.
The Australian won the 2007 world championship for Ducati but Pernat says seven-times MotoGP titleholder Rossi will never win another world crown while on the same bike.
Stoner left Ducati in disgust last year, according to Pernat, after the Italian manufacturer offered a massive contract to Spaniard Jorge Lorenzo.
Pernat said Ducati made a major mistake in assuming Stoner's career was over while he was weakened by a mystery illness which was later diagnosed as lactose intolerance.
'In the Italian media two months ago, I made an open apology to Casey, what many people in MotoGP thought in the past was not true,' Pernat said.
'Now we understand that the reason for many of his crashes ... the majority of people in MotoGP should now make this apology to Casey.'
Ducati had jumped to the same conclusion with disastrous results, he said.
Rossi has been unable to tame the Ducati on which Stoner won the world title and is set to go through 2011 without a race win for the first time in his career.
'This was a very big mistake by Ducati, a very wrong strategy in dealing with a champion rider,' Pernat said.
'To make an offer, virtually double Casey's salary, to Lorenzo who had not won a championship, while Casey was away sick, was a big mistake.
'Ducati is a proud company and they thought their bike was perfect. What they didn't understand was that only Casey could explore 100 per cent of the potential of this bike.'
Pernat signed Rossi to his first factory contract in 1995 when the Italian star was 16 and was the Aprilia team boss when the Italian won the first of his nine world championships - the 125cc title in 1997.
Pernat is now a leading rider manager and media commentator and has closely followed the disaster that is Rossi's winless season.
He says the formidable rider of the past has gone missing.
'What is happening now with Valentino and Ducati is something very strange. Now he is like someone I don't know,' Pernat said.
'But I know Valentino's character very well. I was first to sign him in 1995 and he has always spoken the truth, his real feelings.
'I am surprised to see him in this condition - now he is different.
'I am 90 per cent sure that Valentino will not win another world championship with Ducati.
'To be in this shit situation is very hard for Valentino, for his way of life, for his normal character and he seems different to me now,' he said.
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Teaching my grandma to suck eggs? Lorenzo's out with a mashed hand.
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Where's that quoted from Mainline. All I can say is 'about bloody time' :).
Casey must be lovin it ;D.
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still in melboure not enough awesomes too describe the weekend
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Says it all.....
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/PA1053631.jpg)
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just wait for the pics. Being part of and welcomed into a small tight knit team like Race Team Germany was unreal. To win the gp and be a part of that was some thing out of this world
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Ripper, Loz !! Things can go wrong an awful lot of ways, but when they come right, it's a dream... good on you.
Always struck me as amusing that Sandro Cortese sounds Italian, but is German, and Johan Zarco sounds German, but is French... :D
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Pics have been great so far Loz, team Germany are pretty hot ::) ::) ::)
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just wait for the pics. Being part of and welcomed into a small tight knit team like Race Team Germany was unreal. To win the gp and be a part of that was some thing out of this world
Hey Lozza, it must have been your secret VMX porting configuration that did the trick. I bet it had been while since they had seen a finned barrel and radial finned head… :D
I hope you scored lots of 'old tech' 2 stroke stuff for the shed.
VMX42
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/022.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/028.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/033-2.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/042-1.jpg)
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Sandro giving a post race interview in Spanish, he did English, Italian, Spanish and German of course(Aussie hopefuls take note).
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/065.jpg)
What it's all about(and as close as I'll ever get)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/070.jpg)
A nice momento signed by just about everyone, even snagged Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner at the same time ;D Ramon Forcada,Warren Willing and Herve Poncheral got a great laugh out of it. Have to say EVERYONE was super nice
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/078.jpg)
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Hey Lozza, it must have been your secret VMX porting configuration that did the trick. I bet it had been while since they had seen a finned barrel and radial finned head… :D
I hope you scored lots of 'old tech' 2 stroke stuff for the shed.
VMX42
Yes the team knows all about vintage mx now as I began every sentence with "In VMX we just.............................." ;D ;D
Seriously though I asked lots of questions(hopefully not to dumb) got all of them answered but was ot allowed to see the data from the APX2 electronics.
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How do they all feel about racing 250 4 strokes in the coming year, any comments there ?
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The team was undecided, Sandro wants to move up, put it this way nobody spoke enthusiasticaly about them. The sound will be crap enough, MotoPOO sounds like a track day with CBR600's only.
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/15102011.jpg)
Monster Energy drink anyone?
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/16102011004.jpg)
Lauren Vickers after being 'upskirted'
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Now it's clear why Dovi signed with Tech3 ;D
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touche' to win by nose ;D bloody beauty and throw in a lap with all cc's in memory for the passing of a happy fuzzy haired lad ... 8)
Aussie Aussie Aussie oi oi oi
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Casey's manouvering on that last corner was the perfect example of his Dirt Track upbringing.
That's why I love DT.
We don't know how far his career will go but he could be our best GP rider.
Still a long way to go to catch Mighty Mick.
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Big News Cant believe Casey is going to pull the pin at the end of the season and Donna Summers has died How can this be >:(
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Sad news for fans but I'm glad he can make the decision on his own terms. Now to finish with another World Championship. Go Casey!!!
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/casey-stoner-to-retire-after-motogp-season-20120518-1yu2s.html
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And good luck to him and best of luck for this season.
He certainly has proved that his first win was no fluke.
I saw his media conferance this morning and it sounds like it's all the off track BS that has taken the enjoyment out of it for him.
There's a job vacancy at the Wiggles.
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I think he is very sensible, quite while your ahead, go out a winner, not the old boy losing all the time, Look at rossi, he needs to give it up too.
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I think he is very sensible, quite while your ahead, go out a winner, not the old boy losing all the time, Look at rossi, he needs to give it up too.
Both of them will be welcome to come hone their dirt trackin skill's at Action Park in 2013.
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I'm a massive Stoner fan .. being an ex road racer I absolutely love watching him ride as his style is superb. So whilst I appreciate it's completely his decision to make I have to admit that I'm really disappointed to hear it.
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Sad to see him retire, going to be hard to watch motogp now :'( Wonder if he'll turn up in a v8 supercar?
It will be interesting to watch all the manoeuvrings for his vacant seat, Rossi back to Honda??
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Way is clear for Marq Marqez to fill the seat(after HRC get the rookie rules changed)
Certainly came as bit of a shock and better get to PI to watch him through 'Stoner Corner' which trust me will live with you forever.
Good luck Casey and it's been a pleasure watching you.
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Wonder if he'll turn up in a v8 supercar?
Screw the Supercraps ;)
How good would it be to see him back at Taree next January with this guy perhaps?
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/1642182.jpg)
Cheers
Shaun
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You would be up $hit creek with a turd for a paddle if you thought you had a show of a trophy ;D
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It would nice to see stoner drive the F1 cars together with Webber, piss off Vettel
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I reckon that'll be on the cards Shaun, once he's free from the restraints of a team contract I think we'll see him doing more things like that, that'll bring the crowds back.
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http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/05/18/2012_le_mans_motogp_thursday_round_up_on.html
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I reckon that'll be on the cards Shaun, once he's free from the restraints of a team contract I think we'll see him doing more things like that, that'll bring the crowds back.
I think he will go fishing up North for a while .. he loves his fishing apparently
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even more stuff
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179814/1/casey_stoner_why_im_leaving_motogp.html
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Good on him. Been racing since he was four,a world title and married by 22, has won at all circuits, nothing left to prove, made Rossi look a prick and still can't cut an even break from the press or myopic web trolls no matter what he does : why not kick back and try to achieve some degree of normality about his life for the first time ever ?
In 50 years of watching bike racing, for balls and bike control I reckon that little bloke's the best I've seen.
BUT, there's a title to win first.... 8)
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Hoping he wins the remaining GP's by miles. Better get those gp tickets.
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Good on him. Been racing since he was four,a world title and married by 22, has won at all circuits, nothing left to prove, made Rossi look a prick and still can't cut an even break from the press or myopic web trolls no matter what he does : why not kick back and try to achieve some degree of normality about his life for the first time ever ?
In 50 years of watching bike racing, for balls and bike control I reckon that little bloke's the best I've seen.
BUT, there's a title to win first.... 8)
Quoted because GD66 hit the money right there.
IM(very)HO The best rider Australia has produced...ever!
I greatly respect the achievements of those that have gone before him. Riders such as Kel Carruthers, Gregg Hansford and Wayne Gardner displayed enormous amounts of talent that attracted the right support to enable them to reach the top of the sport.
But I think that based on pure motorcycle talent, it may be some time until we see another C.Stoner come from this country. At this point in time as far as I can see our next World Champ looks like coming from a young fella called Arthur. Which is cool. It just may take a couple of years.
Cheers
Shaun
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I greatly respect the achievements of those that have gone before him. Riders such as Kel Carruthers, Gregg Hansford and Wayne Gardner displayed enormous amounts of talent that attracted the right support to enable them to reach the top of the sport.
For me this was the epic pinnacle in telly watching, Wayne Gardner's wins with the flowing Aussie flag laps..
Casey is another new era of rider and winner in modern time ~ good luck to him and his family.
Thanks for the memories 8)
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http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/france%20le%20mans%20motogp%20fp2%20stoner
Good to see Casey taking it easy in his (impending) retirement
Cheers
Shaun
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Qualified 2nd :P ..anyone done this package or go it alone ??
http://www.sportsnetholidays.com/events/motogp/malaysian-motogp/kuala-lumpur-accommodation-package/
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Qualified 2nd :P ..anyone done this package or go it alone ??
http://www.sportsnetholidays.com/events/motogp/malaysian-motogp/kuala-lumpur-accommodation-package/
Considered this myself, looks ok.
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Ducati doing tops in wet...........TOP GP Racing 8) 8) 8)
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A heady ride by Casey to score decent points without binning it.
A long way to go.
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http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp/strange-days-in-motogp/
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http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp/strange-days-in-motogp/
Thats what I found disturbing at the MX Nationals..riders putting drips in there veins to get rehydrated faster..
Thanks godness for old bikes and older people still in the sport :)
cheers A
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IM(very)HO The best rider Australia has produced...ever!
I greatly respect the achievements of those that have gone before him. Riders such as Kel Carruthers, Gregg Hansford and Wayne Gardner displayed enormous amounts of talent that attracted the right support to enable them to reach the top of the sport.
But I think that based on pure motorcycle talent, it may be some time until we see another C.Stoner come from this country. At this point in time as far as I can see our next World Champ looks like coming from a young fella called Arthur. Which is cool. It just may take a couple of years.
Cheers
Shaun
Ever heard of a bloke named Doohan who came back to win 5 500 titles on the trot after nearly losing his leg through injury?
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My thoughts exactly... ???
I wouldn't think he'd get the 'Greatest of all time' crown until he's world champ X 6 and now that's out of the question (although I predict some embarrassing come-backs down the track ::))
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On ch10 now, Lorenzo out in turn 1 and Casey is stalking Pedrosa.
Bautista did a Constable on Lorenzo, luckily Larenzo managed to walk away.
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Bautista's effort scored a perfect 10 on the Spear-o-Meter , dont ya think, Slides ?
Foss
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Even brother Carl would be proud of that one.
Disappointing for Jorge but as I said, that's racing.
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thems the brakes, ;), :P
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You saying Steves style has gone international Slides?
pancho.
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Young Maverick wins the moto 3 again.
Scarey to watch.
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Looks like it Pancho, lucky for Jorge his foot was up on the peg and out of the impact zone.
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The Stoner wins
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10331930&l=e68693cc23&id=97690951385
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IM(very)HO The best rider Australia has produced...ever!
I greatly respect the achievements of those that have gone before him. Riders such as Kel Carruthers, Gregg Hansford and Wayne Gardner displayed enormous amounts of talent that attracted the right support to enable them to reach the top of the sport.
But I think that based on pure motorcycle talent, it may be some time until we see another C.Stoner come from this country. At this point in time as far as I can see our next World Champ looks like coming from a young fella called Arthur. Which is cool. It just may take a couple of years.
Cheers
Shaun
Ever heard of a bloke named Doohan who came back to win 5 500 titles on the trot after nearly losing his leg through injury?
Sorry Johnny only just saw your reply.
Yes you are right Mick should have been on my list. I'll blame the beer. A difference with Mick though was the way he came into GP. Guys like Gardner, McCoy and Stoner came up through the ranks overseas so to speak while Mick was fast tracked into a factory team. I am not saying he didn't deserve it just that it gave him a bit more time to accumulate his titles. His come back from injury is probably the greatest physical achievement in winning even one title that we will ever see.
Cheers
Shaun
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nnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo,aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,phark, :P
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Onya, Casey !! Great race!
Foss
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Onya, Casey !! Great race!
Foss
Yep, great race Casey. I arrived late for work now but you get that ;)
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massive highside on saturday and pianful race on sunday with a fractured ankle
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How tough are Aussie motorcyclists.
Brave ride by Casey to minimise the damage on the points table.
Only a few weeks after Crumpy did the same with a freshly plated collarbone a week after a crash.
Go get em boy's.
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Something that has been long over due.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/October/oct2212-stoner-philipisland/
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She'll be a rip snorter of a weekend at the Island with Casey and Chad two of Aussie's best in one spot.
Wouldn't mind being around listing to a combined conversation from those two. 8)
The top five sports earners were:
•Andrew Bogut - $13 million
•Casey Stoner - $9.5 million
•Mark Webber $9 million
•Chad Reed $85 million
•Cadel Evans $5 million
http://www.bigpondmoney.com.au/who-are-the-richest-australians
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She'll be a rip snorter of a weekend at the Island with Casey and Chad two of Aussie's best in one spot.
Wouldn't mind being around listing to a combined conversation from those two. 8)
The top five sports earners were:
•Andrew Bogut - $13 million
•Casey Stoner - $9.5 million
•Mark Webber $9 million
•Chad Reed $85 million
•Cadel Evans $5 million
http://www.bigpondmoney.com.au/who-are-the-richest-australians
Chad Reed $85 million? I think you need to check your facts Alison - we have accuracy standards here on OZVMX you know... ;D
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True on the accuracy standards,though punctuation is all lower grade ;D
I reckon there maybe a dot missing in that total.8.5.by bigpondmoney.com.au
cheers
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woohooo,masterclass again,even westy done good,(in the dry ha ha ;D),sissie started it off, 8),ozzies went 3 2 1,bingo,good days racing :P
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Beyond a masterclass, since joining Ducati Stoner led 160 of 162 laps of the races at Phillip Island, so he was 3rd on lap 1 yesterday and not first on 1 other lap in the past 6years.
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I SAW CASEY WIN WELL DONE
FOR ME THE RIDE OF THE MEET WAS
MIKE HATCHERS JMCC ANT WEST
4TH 2 LPS TO GO
PASSED MARQUES
#93 TRIED TO REGAIN
WESTY TOO GOOD
GO ANT #95
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Ant West just copped a 30day ban. :-[
http://motomatters.com/news/2012/10/31/ant_west_receives_30_day_ban_for_doping_.html
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Ant West just copped a 30day ban. :-[
http://motomatters.com/news/2012/10/31/ant_west_receives_30_day_ban_for_doping_.html
"West's sample was found to contain Methylhexaneamine, which is more commonly know as DMAA - a dietary supplement that is on the banned list of substances of the 2012 FIM Anti-Doping Code. It is also found in some nasal decongestants."
A storm in a teacup... but it couldn't happen at a worse time for him. I hope he appeals and is back on the rostrum in Valencia.
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sad to see Stoner go, but really looking forward to seeing Marquez in action next year
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Casey Stoner back in action this weekend, no he's not.
We might see him back in action next year at the King of Nepean Dirt Track. :P :P
How good would that be.
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We might see him back in action next year at the King of Nepean Dirt Track.
How good would that be.
Hmmm....that's drawing a long bow Steve. It'd be good to see but it ain't going to happen in my lifetime ;).
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Would you fancy having a $10.00 lottery ticket on that Mr Firkin? ;D
P.S. I don't mind waiting a few years to collect, maybe we should put a 2 year limit on it.
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Was 2009 when I started this thread and never thought it would end like this. Will be happy to say I got to see him through Stoner Corner the only way he knew how. Thanks for the memories Casey.
No doubts there will be fishing and negotiations on the V8 drive over summer.
His Repsol Honda will be in the safe hands of Marc Marquez, not once but twice has come from last to first on a field of basicaly the same bikes, some real talent there.
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He's back....in Black 8)
Adelaide this weekend.
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Thought i'd just keep this thread going rather than start a newie. Looking forward to seeing how Marquez goes tomorrow morning. Already ahead of Rossi on the grid.
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Going to miss Casey on the bikes this season. Interesting that Valentino on his new Yamaha was out qualified by his shitty old Ducati !!!
What's up Doc.
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Might not have qualified well, but come race time Doctor was with the programme
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Good race, was also good to see Crutchlo up there....
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Going to miss Casey on the bikes this season. Interesting that Valentino on his new Yamaha was out qualified by his shitty old Ducati !!!
What's up Doc.
Its the results that matter, 1st Lorenzo, Yamaha, 2nd Rossi, Yamaha, 3rd Markez, Honda, not a shitty ol Ducati in sight ;D ;D
Mr Maico #54
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Just watched the Qatar race after recording it. Lorenzo is an alien for sure. Just checked out and left the building. The other Elvis's stayed in the building and we saw some excellent racing. Great for the sport to see the Doctor back in the house and Marc Marquez is going to get soooooo much better real fast I would say. Poor old Dani - never mind ;D - first Casey and now the new kid :D. Bit embarrassing how Rossi got far more reaction from the crowd for 2nd place than George did for braining them by 6 seconds to win it. Guess he is still the crowd favorite ::) Looking forward to the Texas round in 2 weeks.
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No coverage over here yet, not sure if we'll get to see it without forking out 100euro to watch online & then miss a lot of the races due to shiftwork :'(
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No coverage over here yet, not sure if we'll get to see it without forking out 100euro to watch online & then miss a lot of the races due to shiftwork :'(
Use a proxy server(gives you a UK ip address) and watch evrything on the BBC website ot the Ch10 website has the race live or go to Lemonsport and watch live feeds from either Romania, Spain or UK which ever is on with annoying pop ups but it be free.
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from FB....Just heard that Casey Stoner was awarded the A.M. in the Queens Birthday Honours, in the ABC report , it mentions Casey's many Dirt Track and Longtrack achievments before he went to Road Racing and two World Championships in MotoGP.
A great award for a top young fella and great recognition of the part our sport plays in the development of world class talent.
Legend 8)
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/1010036_10151664420479233_2082515985_n_zps07562f36.jpg) (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/Lozza85_2007/media/1010036_10151664420479233_2082515985_n_zps07562f36.jpg.html)
Ever thought for a split second you could ride a MotoGP bike?
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And Bradl is an Alien
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/1010036_10151664420479233_2082515985_n_zps07562f36.jpg) (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/Lozza85_2007/media/1010036_10151664420479233_2082515985_n_zps07562f36.jpg.html)
Ever thought for a split second you could ride a MotoGP bike?
That photo has to be doctored - else his elbow is 2 inches below the ground!
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(http://photos.motogp.com/2012/06/01/06stefanbradl,motogp_slideshow_169.jpg)
(http://2wheeltuesday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Stefan-Bradl.jpg)
Must be a busy man doing all that photoshopping.
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(http://photos.motogp.com/2012/06/01/06stefanbradl,motogp_slideshow_169.jpg)
(http://2wheeltuesday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Stefan-Bradl.jpg)
Must be a busy man doing all that photoshopping.
For sure give the man credit, that's is phenomenal! Is that a sequence of shots Lozza?
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Mt first thought is....How good are those tyres?
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Same corner no doubt they would have been from Saturday but they appear that the photographer was in different positions. The lean angles got to 67deg .....................
Tyres they would have to be the best tyres ever produced.....................until the track temps rise to much and the front deforms under braking, ergo the number of front end looses in the race. Everything else must be up there with the tyre spec, not to mention the confidence and committment you would need to push that hard
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I can't wait until I see Masatoshi Ohmori in action
His lean angles are 90 degrees and back up again.
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I watched it Saturday night and last night, farken unbleivable......they showed Rossi doing a stoppy on the front wheel at one corner....the back wheel must have been 300mm off the ground and he didn't put it down until half way through the corner....bike was turned and leaning.....unbelievable skill. 8)
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I can't wait until I see Masatoshi Ohmori in action
His lean angles are 90 degrees and back up again.
Will he beat Randy de Puniet's 0.77 off Lorenzo's time? ;D Great result first up.
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2015-suzuki-motogp-race-bike-inline-four.jpg)
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I can't wait until I see Masatoshi Ohmori in action
His lean angles are 90 degrees and back up again.
Do you even drift??? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boI71KRxTTY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boI71KRxTTY)
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I met Masa in the US 5 years ago,
Looking forward to seeing Masa in action in OZ later this year and early next year
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What are the chances of seeing Masa and dare I say Casey back in action at this years King of Nepean?
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I doubt it but I am sure you will get some other surprise Special Entries.
Dirttrack is on its way back, I met today with the Export Manager of a very large US Distributor with Flattrack roots, looking forward to him sending some of his Special friends our way this summer.
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Jorge Lorenzo, breaks collarbone on thursday, flies to Barcelona to have it plated and pinned , flys back to Assen to race today ;D
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Yes he is one of the Aliens
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and???
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Good race, was also good to see Crutchlo up there....
Cracker with Maq :o
Doc needs sedation ;D
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Rossi awesome!!
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agree awesome race
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What's with Repsol Hondas & jammed throttles in Japan?
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/motorsport/a/29055833/casey-stoner-breaks-leg-and-shoulder-at-suzuka/
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Is there a precedent for a Repsol bike ?
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Pedrosa a few years ago at Motegi crashed during practice for the Japanese GP, also caused by jammed throttle
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Jeez. Once is too often, twice is plain old ugly... :o
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honda said:P
http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2015/07/29/hrc-details-stoners-suzuka-throttle-malfunction/
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woohoo
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225374/1/official-casey-stoner-returns-to-ducati.html
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Only "ambassador" and test rider at this stage, unfortunately.
Quote - "Stoner won 23 races for Ducati between 2007 and 2010. The factory has not claimed a grand prix victory since his departure."
Amazing
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+ wild cards
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I'd love to see him back out there.
Hopefully kicking Rossi's arse on a bike Rossi never won a race on.