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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Slakewell on December 07, 2012, 04:38:47 pm
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I would like the GP winners from 1970 to 1980 250cc
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I would like to see more build ups, frankenbikes and race/ride resto's rather than checkbook resto's. Some of those shiny unobtainable concourse resto's get a bit boring after a while.
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I would like to see more dirt track machines and race pics, short circuit dirt, old and classic long track dirt, pommy grass track and American dirt track, events.
pancho.
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Anything,as long as we have some good shed shot's.Thats half the character. 8)
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AND some more in depth info, like when they do the resto how about some detail, you know, where they got what, who painted stuff or how it was done, pics of the build under way, that sort of stuff.
AND, some tech articles from the gun tuners of the day, i am sure some of them are still around and would love the exposure and we'd all learn something from them.
cheers,
kt
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All good points raised too. Reading the history of the bike is great but I'd REALLY like to hear more from the owners on their build ups, rather than by a 3rd person "authority". ::)
I'd also like to read some "how to" articles as well as some interviews of Aussies that raced overseas in Europe and the USA. Racers like Rob Scott, Heffo etc must have some great stories to tell of their racing exploits OS!
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I would like to see more about Australia and New Zealand vmxers and shed project, you know the average jo blow, that makes VMX
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Hagon"s, Elstar's, Godden's, Antig's, drop the X but do I need to go on?
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I think the focus has shifted too far to the exotics and glamour bikes.
The magazine used to regularly feature exotics AND run-of-the-mill bikes - the features on 'common' bikes were interesting and they had a strong element of being a 'buyer's guide', so you could know the strengths and weaknesses of a particular model (including race performance then/now, and how difficult they are to restore/live with).
These articles also gave the exotics some context - when virtually every feature bike is an exotic, it's easy to grow numb to their brilliance.
The Blokes and Sheds section isn't about blokes and sheds anymore, it now seems to be more about the richest bloke with the most valuable collection of lifeless garage queens.
I mean, it's interesting to know about these collections, but they get very repetitive after a while. I'd be infinitely more interested to see an article on Doc's or Jimson's sheds, for example.
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Feck buy a lotto ticket I'm with Dave #6 and Nathan S you 2 gentleman have hit it on the head.
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Anything home engineered, made by hand stuff.
Most magazines have become an advertorial these days.
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I think the focus has shifted too far to the exotics and glamour bikes.
The magazine used to regularly feature exotics AND run-of-the-mill bikes - the features on 'common' bikes were interesting and they had a strong element of being a 'buyer's guide', so you could know the strengths and weaknesses of a particular model (including race performance then/now, and how difficult they are to restore/live with).
These articles also gave the exotics some context - when virtually every feature bike is an exotic, it's easy to grow numb to their brilliance.
The Blokes and Sheds section isn't about blokes and sheds anymore, it now seems to be more about the richest bloke with the most valuable collection of lifeless garage queens.
I mean, it's interesting to know about these collections, but they get very repetitive after a while. I'd be infinitely more interested to see an article on Doc's or Jimson's sheds, for example.
Hear hear average Joes as Dave says bring it on :)
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As nice as they are the botoxed bling -bling bike's do get a bit monotonous after a while ! i like to see race bike's with battlescar's , past & present heroes as well as average blokes (oz & os) bikes and stories and how they had them set-up etc also to a lot of motocrossers shortcircuit (and flattrack) was a big part of their lives , racing both disiplines whenever they could - Would be good to see more articles on it . Also " How To's " as the saying goes "if ya ain't still learnin' ya dead" :)
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Maybe there could be a once-a-year reader resto edition seperate to the regular VMX mag where there is pics and a little story of the bikes. Like evryone is saying, get it back to the bare roots of blokes and gals with different levels of restoration's covering all era's in their sheds. Dunno what it would cost, but it wouldn't necissarily have to be a high end full gloss type thing. Even if it was like $20, once a year it would probably sell. Why don't we have a poll to see what everyone thinks?
Adam
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I`am with that idea, get back to the grass roots of the day when vmx started, when the enthausiam was high.
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Found at a show in Ross or is this a bit to wooden for VMX ? LOL
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/Ross-20121125-00141.jpg)
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Geez mate you wouldnt wanna turn up at wallerawang with that one ! wouldve ended up on the fire ;) looks all ready to go with the jerry of instant under it :o
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Maybe there could be a once-a-year reader resto edition seperate to the regular VMX mag where there is pics and a little story of the bikes. Like evryone is saying, get it back to the bare roots of blokes and gals with different levels of restoration's covering all era's in their sheds. Dunno what it would cost, but it wouldn't necissarily have to be a high end full gloss type thing. Even if it was like $20, once a year it would probably sell. Why don't we have a poll to see what everyone thinks?
Adam
Good idea for sure. The thing is its all too easy when you aren't the one having to do all the work and stick your neck out with dollars on a hunch that it might work. Maybe you get in touch with the owners and put some of your hard earned on the line to back it up. I'm not being a smart arse, it's just it wouldn't be such an easy decision if you were the one tipping in the money and time.
I would enjoy more readers restos and real race bikes and blokes and their sheds.
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seems to be a common theme emerging here
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I am definitely keen to see more real blokes and sheds articles and I really enjoy the works bike features.
But at the end of the day we should be happy that Ken AJ and Jeff had the balls to take over the reigns from Ray Ryan.
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why rely on VMX Mag, anyone got the balls to start their own????
if so, PM me we might be able to strike a deal:)
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Personally I like the MX and Enduro bikes, the tricker more exotic and perfectly built the better. Anything with a trials engine, rusty bolt, tarnished plastic or matt blacked engine , that is just taking up space from the mega buck titanium exotica .... however period patina preferably applied by the knees of someone famous is also highly desirable. So dip all the trick bikes in titanium, bolt on suspension that costs the same as a small car and show garages that drained the profit from whole tow truck business empires, yep that would suit me fine.
But my tastes may not necessarily be that of others ;)
I think it would be cool to run a best of VMX edition that draws from all the old goodies, Gary's HL500, the RN400, Fox CRs, Trevors Williams SR, titanium CZs, maybe the 50th edition?
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More HL 500 replicas would be good.
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More HL 500 replicas would be good.
Too true, I think the HL500s have been really under represented and are a very popular bike to look at and discuss. The how to rebuild a TT500 engine seemed to be a very popular tech item. Been 40 odd issues since there was on on the cover. Sold some Husky frames and some SR/TT engines and parts recently on Trademe and they ripped my arms off, so I know of at least 2 more keenly under construction.
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Keep the ideas coming... ;D
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Keep the ideas coming... ;D
MX125a Cover shot ;D
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Always enjoy reading how someone has done a from scratch restore - particularly one of the old faithful bikes we all used to ride .... CRs, KXs, RMs, TMs, YZs etc. However I will read and re-read any and all articles about the bikes that were extra special - Roberts RH250, DrCosters RN370, Jeff Smiths BSA etc - especially if the article is about how they were developed etc.
Then again, what really gets my juices running is the bikes that I wanted to ride (apart from the works Suzukis) - Wheelsmith Maico, Franks Honda, FMF CR125, Rickman Montessa, DG YZs etc. Hell, I enjoy any decent in-depth article that shows the passion of the builder/owner/restorer.
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Come to think of it - besides the bikes I really enjoy interviews of the people that made things happen and created amazing machines for others to ride. The passing of Kel Franks put this at the forefront of my mind.
Some of the guys that made things happen back in the day ...
Donny Emler - Flying Machine Factory ..... The FMF CRs and much more.
Dave Miller - DMC ..... All sorts of weird and wonderful machines.
Mitch Payton - Now PC, but was Anaheim Husqvarna at the start and produced rocketship desert sleds.
Harry Klemm - Now GroupK but was at DG in the heyday and built some real flyers.
There are plenty others that just escape my memory right now - especially the East Coast guys
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Diggy Doggies shed 8)
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The top ten favourite pics of the VMX Magazines past/present photographers.
Including info on the top ten five and why they like the those top ten five (depending on page space) :)
cheers a
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The top ten favourite pics of the VMX Magazines past/present photographers.
Hell you might even get an action shot amoungst them if you are not careful. I heard there has only been 2 action covers because Bill can't pan a camera.
I think if VMX did a bi Centennary issue featuring some of the bikes on the sold out collectable editions like VMX 4 it could be good for business. OR may put the MX back in VMX with an all MX no headlights edition, no boring interviews, no hard to actually get products, nothing just page after page dripping with crisp trick detailed shots of MX feature bikes.
I think one of my favourite VMX features of all time was the 74/75 KX250 one, great shots and plenty of really knowledgable tips on how to make one go even better.
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I heard there has only been 2 action covers because Bill can't pan a camera…
;D ;D ;D
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No matter what you want in a magazine, the bloke standing next to you wants something different.....it's the human units diverse tastes in action. While Charlie might want more pre 65 bikes in VMX, young Trent will want more post 1985 bikes. Jack might want to see more low budget home built specials yet his mate Jock wants more works exotica, it's that human diversity thing again. No matter what bikes VMX features, the entire issue is never going to appeal to every reader. The big task for editor Ken and the contributors is to find a mix that keeps the majority interested. In that respect I think that Ken (and Ray) have done a pretty good job in covering the wide spectrum that is the old dirt bike scene.
Because of my involvement with the magazine I was a bit hesitant to leap into this discussion but last night, with nothing worth a shit on the telly I sat down and went through my VMX stash to get my head around the variety that's been offered up since issue one and what I found was everything you guys are calling for. Sure, the 'Blokes and Sheds' section has faded into the background a bit and the HL had more appearances than Johnny Farnham "last gigs" but overall the mag seems to cover all motocross eras pretty bloody well. One of the problems with the 'Blokes and Sheds' section is to actually find interesting sheds and collections that the owners are willing to expose to the world. I have a couple of good mates with world class collections whom I've tried numerous times to let me do a piece on, yet both of them have refused for both security and privacy issues....they just plain don't want the world to know everything they've got. I know Ray met with the same reaction at times and although I haven't discussed this with Ken, I'd be surprised if he hasn't copped the same response from other potential Blokes and Sheds candidates.
Commenting as a fan rather than contributor, I'd like to see the occasional dirt track and speedway feature bikes and historical pieces, maybe an EVO/pre 85 cheap racer build up spread over two issues and more build details in some of the articles. Other than that I'm pretty content with the magazine as it stands today. The critics of VMX need to check out Classic Dirt Bike to see what happens when good content becomes secondary to matey back slapping and poorly researched pieces on bikes that wouldn't make the first cut in any other publication. They might then realise just what a world class magazine VMX is.
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Agree Firko. J
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The critics of VMX need to check out Classic Dirt Bike to see what happens when good content becomes secondary to matey back slapping and poorly researched pieces on bikes that wouldn't make the first cut in any other publication. They might then realise just what a world class magazine VMX is.
Too true, I still buy Classic Dirt Bike but the bikes that really made it interesting, like the various 3 speed methanol BSA B44 shit kickers, faded away and replaced by dodgy rebuild articles on dicked Armstrongs, then it started to feel like throwing a straving VMX Ethiopian a bit of wax fruit.
The quality rebuild articles seem to always go well, as opposed to the lets build this old shitter for cheap ones.
I think the HL500 is a subject so vast it needs its own book ;)
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No matter what you want in a magazine, the bloke standing next to you wants something different.....it's the human units diverse tastes in action. While Charlie might want more pre 65 bikes in VMX, young Trent will want more post 1985 bikes. Jack might want to see more low budget home built specials yet his mate Jock wants more works exotica, it's that human diversity thing again. No matter what bikes VMX features, the entire issue is never going to appeal to every reader. The big task for editor Ken and the contributors is to find a mix that keeps the majority interested. In that respect I think that Ken (and Ray) have done a pretty good job in covering the wide spectrum that is the old dirt bike scene.
Because of my involvement with the magazine I was a bit hesitant to leap into this discussion but last night, with nothing worth a shit on the telly I sat down and went through my VMX stash to get my head around the variety that's been offered up since issue one and what I found was everything you guys are calling for. Sure, the 'Blokes and Sheds' section has faded into the background a bit and the HL had more appearances than Johnny Farnham "last gigs" but overall the mag seems to cover all motocross eras pretty bloody well. One of the problems with the 'Blokes and Sheds' section is to actually find interesting sheds and collections that the owners are willing to expose to the world. I have a couple of good mates with world class collections whom I've tried numerous times to let me do a piece on, yet both of them have refused for both security and privacy issues....they just plain don't want the world to know everything they've got. I know Ray met with the same reaction at times and although I haven't discussed this with Ken, I'd be surprised if he hasn't copped the same response from other potential Blokes and Sheds candidates.
Commenting as a fan rather than contributor, I'd like to see the occasional dirt track and speedway feature bikes and historical pieces, maybe an EVO/pre 85 cheap racer build up spread over two issues and more build details in some of the articles. Other than that I'm pretty content with the magazine as it stands today. The critics of VMX need to check out Classic Dirt Bike to see what happens when good content becomes secondary to matey back slapping and poorly researched pieces on bikes that wouldn't make the first cut in any other publication. They might then realise just what a world class magazine VMX is.
All very true... but good, constructive feedback is always welcome... it is YOUR magazine afterall.
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I think the HL500 is a subject so vast it needs its own book ;)
As a bike that dominated the motocross scene as it did, I think it deserves its own public holiday.
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I think the HL500 is a subject so vast it needs its own book ;)
As a bike that dominated the motocross scene as it did, I think it deserves its own public holiday.
Yep, I think that while the HL is a good thing at the time it was not the bike that you would have had (if you could get one) that was going to be your race salvation. Like an old mans memories the legend got bigger than the event. :D
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The quality rebuild articles seem to always go well, as opposed to the lets build this old shitter for cheap ones.
Difference is that i think you will find the majority of "lets build this old shitter for cheap ones" are actually raced rather than put in a glass shed and wanked over by the followers who like to exchange notes on how much we spent on the build ;) . That said not all nice builds are faggoty glass house queens , many forum members have built beautifull examples and then get out and use them for what they were originaly designed for :)
Rod Sprys builds are stunning but i know the ones he builds for himself see active service regulary :)
Sadly there is an element of elitism or needle dick sydrome that creeps into VMX as in all walks of life ::) where its not about the bike or the build but its all about telling the world how much you are worth ::)
I think the HL500 is a subject so vast it needs its own book ;)
I think you will find they feature heavily in the DOG and LEMON guide
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[quote author=firko link=topic= The critics of VMX need to check out Classic Dirt Bike to see what happens when good content becomes secondary to matey back slapping and poorly researched pieces on bikes that wouldn't make the first cut in any other publication. They might then realise just what a world class magazine VMX is.
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Agreed 100% :)
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As a bike that dominated the motocross scene as it did, I think it deserves its own public holiday.
Well it may make more sense than boxing day. The HL500 could have been the Husaberg/Husky 510 or YZF of its era with a bit more development and a faster rider.
Anywayz back on subject I think Firko leans more in the direction of rare bikes and hysterical interest than I do, though would love to see an XR750 and miler feature.
I think it could be time to re run a few favourite bikes, with some fresh story lines and bikes, given that we hopefully have a new generation of VMXers coming through that were only in short pants for issue 1. Also just looking at the 88 YZ250 that is up for grabs at the moment a few more pre 90 bikes could be in order, rather than going back to the future
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tongue-in-cheek (tngn-chk)
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Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously.
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Sadly there is an element of elitism or needle dick sydrome that creeps into VMX as in all walks of life ::) where its not about the bike or the build but its all about telling the world how much you are worth ::) [/color]
VMX it is more like telling the world how much less you are worth ;D, but there will always be an arms race amoungst competitive faggoty gentlemen, it brings the breed forward. ;)
Back to the subject and I really hear what you are saying Bill, I think it is more than possible to build a sweet race bike, to a high quality for not much cash in the current financial climate, buying well on the internet and this would make some great reading.
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Sadly there is an element of elitism or needle dick sydrome that creeps into VMX as in all walks of life ::) where its not about the bike or the build but its all about telling the world how much you are worth ::) [/color]
Have you been spying on my dick in the showers again Bill ::)
Mate i didn't mention names :-* but if the cap fits ;) and i dont spy its not my style , if i want a look ill have a look :-*
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Mate i didn't mention names :-* but if the cap fits ;) and i dont spy its not my style , if i want a look ill have a look :-* ( we should call you Rod Spy)
I just made my point to you a littrle better Bill, I think there is a lot of space with the current financial climate to build bikes that are cheap and cool, I don't want to give the imprression I am baggin off economical builds..... just badly executed ones
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look out the shits going to hit the fan soon, and everybody will agree to disagree. in the end, ken with will do what best for VMX, we see a lot of very good machines around the world which is good,
it makes us druell and gives us ideas, lets not go away from the idea that vmx it is an Australian Magazine, that needs more than one page about Australian VMX, Currant and History, I am sure that the rest of the world would like to know more about ozzy`s and what model make of bikes we ride and also the projects that we are building, race meeting that are happening around the country, are any of you interested in the currant VMX riders that are placing well at club level events in Vic, NSW, QLD, WA, SA, Tassy, it may be a good idea to know so you know who you are racing against at the next Australian Vintage Title. The old day where good, and the memories are great, but the old days have gone, its currant issue that matter, club race meeting, bikes and bits whos making them, where to buy them, Etc, Etc.
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Been remarkably little comment on "I want more bikes from a particular era" - at least in this thread. :)
The regular theme is that the feature bikes and the Blokes & Sheds stuff have moved away from the typical enthisiast who does the best he can with the skills/tools/budget at hand.
It's not a desire to see shitboxes, it's a desire to see bikes we can relate to.
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Mate i didn't mention names :-* but if the cap fits ;) and i dont spy its not my style , if i want a look ill have a look :-* ( we should call you Rod Spy)
Mate you can call me Susan if that makes you happy :-*
I just made my point to you a littrle better Bill, I think there is a lot of space with the current financial climate to build bikes that are cheap and cool, I don't want to give the imprression I am baggin off economical builds..... just badly executed ones
Back to the point of the thread , i am first and foremost a racer ( not a very good one but a racer at heart :)) I can really appreciate a nice build regardless of cost as it is somthing i dont believe i am able of doing well as i dont have an eye for the detail :-[
Mike Felton and Rod Sprys builds are outstanding and i would give my right one to have a fraction of thier talent :) My mates Jimson and Doc again have both built some great bikes ( personal favorites are Jimsons Indian and Docs TSM 125 8)) again these blokes pour their hearts and souls into their builds and acheive fantastic results .
The JTR (Joan Tite Racing ) builds again always look the goods and no corners are cut during the build to produce good looking but very competitive and reliable race bikes .
DJs Nogouchi build documented on this forum was a brilliant build :) built buy a building tradesperson with no mechanical or engineering training and only hand tools on a budget in his living room 8)
Look at the Bikes Yamaico Pete turns out on a budget 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Bloody outstanding built by a true craftsman on a budget :)
KB171s Awesome HL 80 8) 8) i wanna see builds like these in the magazine :)
Sure the exotica is all very nice :) but IMHO if 90% of it is farmed out to other people to do the work then its like rent a root ::) sure it looks good but it aint really yours and everbody knows it ;D builders who are hands on get a lot more respect ;) exept of course in rent a root circles ;D
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Sure the exotica is all very nice :) but IMHO if 90% of it is farmed out to other people to do the work then its like rent a root ::) sure it looks good but it aint really yours and everbody knows it ;D builders who are hands on get a lot more respect ;) exept of course in rent a root circles ;D
Quite true Bill, always give credit where credit is due and I have done so in writing, but if you have specific case in mind feel free to point it out.
I mean all of us are really bike assemblers apart from a couple of notable exceptions that can start from scratch. If you want true scratch builder capability then my vote is for Kevin
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/suspension/auction-541922496.htm
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FFS will you stop assuming im talking about you specificly ::) ::) my opinions are generalised and not aimed at anyone person ( unless of course you feel you fit the mould )
Yes our Kev takes the word build to a whole new level 8) 8) Kev backs up his workshop skills with a great pace on the track :)
One of Kevs builds was featured in VMX a while back his billet CZ submitted by another forum member :) Kev as with most of our legends of the sport is remarkably humble about what he is capable of and would probably shy away from a magazine feature .
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…FFS will you stop assuming im talking about you specificly ::) ::) my opinions are generalised and not aimed at anyone person ( unless of course you feel you fit the mould)…
Damn you Marc, Bill is talking directly to me OK!!!
Butt out Bro... 59 is missing your gay jokes… ;)
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I'd like to see more articles featuring Works bikes from the late 70's and 80's. For me growing up as a kid this was my era of motorcycles. I think VMX mag in general try to cover a broad range of motorcycles but sometimes I find the odd issue might cover more bikes from the 60's or British bikes.
While there is nothing wrong with that, I just don't find that as interesting and that might be different to the next reader and so forth. I've read some great articles about Mugens & OW's and the occassional SR but haven't seen to many Suzuki or European works bikes. I'd love to read about Husky, Maico & Montessa works bikes. Were there many?
Another section I would like to see is a feature on racers/ex racers. Having not grown up in the racing seen, not even as a spectator until in my teens I would like to hear from guys like Gall, Ballard, Phil Lovett and many more and what was their favourite bike to ride and give a detailed run down on what it was like in that Golden Era of motorcycling.
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(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/montesa1-vi.jpg)
Here is a works montesa VR 250, the engine is totally different (maicoman)
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(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/montesa125.jpg)
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fork the bikes. Punt Kenny from Page 3 and re- introduce the Page 3 girl. Starting with Sammy Fox
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I like seeing 70 era factory bike too, works 125 DKW, Zundapp, odd ball factory bikes that where being built and raced, but we just don`t see them.
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Eric and Douglas........ ;)
Not a bike but like Doggy Diggers pen musings , worthy of joyous positive literary space.
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Like that Walter :). but how about a compere oh.... The works factory brilliance of your EML Jumbo against crude low tech sleaze of my Honda 754 outfit ;) ;) ;),
"compere oh" and "bodgyness" two fine renditions of the language :D :D :D :
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BMW Sidecar team in the 60`s and 70`s , their is not much about sidecar racing in vmx, for that matter Australia sidecar history, Ken Adam`s from Geelong, Russel Burgmyer, the Roberson brothers, Arthur Byron from warrnambool, Tiny fro Deer Park, plus many others.
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Maybe some single marque editions.
The year and models and some info on them.
Spotlight on some restored models of the marque.
Some feed back from owners and clubs.
How to repair common problems with them.
Anybody else read Classic Motorcycle Mechanic?.
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Thanks Dave for posting that sweet looking Montesa. You're right about the engine, unusual looking cases and so much air gap between the engine and the frame rails. I always love the crinkle cut fins on the Monties.
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I would like to see a write up on the EML Jumbo before it goes to its final destination ;) . They won 3 world titles and there was only one in Australia after all .
was that the one Trevor "Crazy" Anthony had?
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Anybody else read Classic Motorcycle Mechanic?.
Religiously! ;D
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I think it would be great to see a comparison of the New vs. Old Honda KSI bikes that Miles is building now. Ride reports talking about the differences and what has changed in the design through the years would be great!
Swiss
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Plenty gets said about the legends and their bikes from back in the day, but what about the current crop of riders winning VMX and VDT race's on similar bikes! What about some stories about how resent Vintage National Champions (oz and abroad) came about to win national titles; history on their bikes, how the bikes were prepped, previous race wins by the rider and how they prepared their fitness etc etc.
First corner action photos are my all time favorite thing to look at.
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I think it would be great to see a comparison of the New vs. Old Honda KSI bikes that Miles is building now. Ride reports talking about the differences and what has changed in the design through the years would be great!
Swiss
Great idea :o perhaps we could have a shootout between a YZ 360B and a 2013 YZ 450F . That mordern KSI thing just shows that POMs and Clog Wogs just dont get VMX :P
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Plenty gets said about the legends and their bikes from back in the day, but what about the current crop of riders winning VMX and VDT race's on similar bikes! What about some stories about how resent Vintage National Champions (oz and abroad) came about to win national titles; history on their bikes, how the bikes were prepped, previous race wins by the rider and how they prepared their fitness etc etc.
First corner action photos are my all time favorite thing to look at.
Sounds good to me :) I know a bloke on this forum who does a shit load of winning and has a great collection of racers to boot :) This bloke races pre 65 right through to pre 90 and obviously has bikes to match a feature on him and his bikes would be a good article and probably overdue :).
And yes good race shots always get the blood flowing , look at those awesome shots that Tony Marshall has posted of the Connondale Classic this year 8) thats what i would like to see in the magazine :)
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I think it would be great to see a comparison of the New vs. Old Honda KSI bikes that Miles is building now. Ride reports talking about the differences and what has changed in the design through the years would be great!
Swiss
Just sharper all round but mainly due to the better forks and shock. A good rider can win on either, as usual.
Put the old tank and seat on the new one and even old grumps like Bill would love it. Looks are deceiving.
Clogwog??
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Maybe its time for me to do a re-run of the first vintage magazine Clasic Dirt Bike Market, as one of my pages was called (in the shed) as their was a page in vmx issue 1 called (blokes & their Sheds) which the idea was taken from my magazine, also north west Maico cz advertisment was also taken from CDBM too.
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Clogwog = Dutch person
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Great idea :o perhaps we could have a shootout between a YZ 360B and a 2013 YZ 450F . That mordern KSI thing just shows that POMs and Clog Wogs just dont get VMX :P
Yup. ;)
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No Hoony thats the 86 , the watercooled twin . The aircooled went back to Europe already .
any pics didn't know there was a water cooled one ? what sort of HP and engine size was that one.
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I think it could be time to re run a few favourite bikes, with some fresh story lines and bikes, given that we hopefully have a new generation of VMXers coming through that were only in short pants for issue 1. Also just looking at the 88 YZ250 that is up for grabs at the moment a few more pre 90 bikes could be in order, rather than going back to the future
I couldn't agree more!!! as im one of the new breed!
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Maybe its time for me to do a re-run of the first vintage magazine Clasic Dirt Bike Market, as one of my pages was called (in the shed) as their was a page in vmx issue 1 called (blokes & their Sheds) which the idea was taken from my magazine, also north west Maico cz advertisment was also taken from CDBM too.
maybe I could help?
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sorry NADA, it won`t happen, l have no interest in doing any mag again, I just want to get the buzz back and have a ride and some fun.
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I think we should have more mini bikes... ::)
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Wally, the aircooled Jumbos chassis is currently in Qld and the motor is supposedly in a speedway outfit in a shed in Darwin. Who really knows. The chassis is the best thing to come out in '84 that's for sure.
All this is history that needs to be shared but Ken is not a sidecar fan.
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EML, with the greatest of respect.... it's not that Ken is not a sidecar fan. Nothing he runs in VMX is based on his personal preferences as far as I know. He is mainly intersted in trying to keep as many people interested in the magazine as he can. :)
Sidecars just have limited interest to the vast majority of readers. So the number of articles that will feature them will be similarily limited. But never say never!!! Keep plugging away, the sidecar time WILL come. ;D
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Well, I suggest you write the story and submit it! That's the most likely way to get something in the mag. ;)
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I agree Ajay more minibikes. It is where most bike passions started as a young fellow...
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I have an article written-for over 12 mths now, but the picture quality needed is a bit beyond me That and the fact that I need to get all the outfits I have in the article in one spot-or travel miles to get a shot of them.
It is a general interest story with some history and then some evolution info-where they came from and where it headed to before their demise by the lightweights.
The story on the Jumbo would be great Wally and I could add some pics and story of my own as I went to the factory and spoke with Henny (he's passed now) and helped prep the bike for Hansi. He helped design the whole thing and was in the project from the start.
I could get him to do a forward.
As far as interest goes-we have more sidecar crossers per capita in our club than any other and have had the biggest growth of all codes. Plenty of older guys would buy it just for the interest as sidecars are an enigma and that alone would be worth a cover shot.
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A few years ago now, i attended a meet and was watching a mate of mine ride an outfit.
As they swept around a long right hand sweeper, and down a gully the front end gave away (snapped clean at the triple clamps), and my mate (Monkey) was cartwheeled over the top and the outfit landed on him. I would have to be one of the most horrific crashes i have ever seen.
My mate was out cold, but due to him being as tough as an old pare of leather boots, he escaped with just a dislocated shoulder and cuts a bruises. But, we thought he was dead! he was out for about 20 min or so.
I never want to see it again, and im sure you can guess where I think you can stick your outfit, yep, fair up your rectum! I would not purchase the mag, based on that.
I understand the sport is dangerous, and yes, people have comer off second best on a solo, and yes, they are part of history, but so are 3 wheelers but you don't see too many people digging them up for a race?
Sometimes some rust needs to sleep, sorry, I understand your passion, but i am not a fan, based on my personal experience.
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Come on Nada are you serious . Stop being sooooooooo myopic!
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I am ganna duck for cover now ;D
Wasp, you don't have to duck for cover, I completely understand your frustration, as its your passion.
If we all agreed, on everything, the world would be a boring place? Yes?
I'm passionate about solos, but lets be honest, the same could happen to me, Yes!
I just don't want to see what i saw ever again, and certainly do not want it to happen to anyone else, as i doubt the MX world would wish the same.
The chances of it happening on an outfit are more grater than on a solo, but thats the risk we take as humans, and your parachute may not open when you jump out of that plane at 14,000 Ft.
My scaring is purely based on seeing a mate suffer, but in saying that, he did get back on an outfit (Why, im still asking:) but only for a slow ride around.
he still rides solo:)
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Come on Nada are you serious . Stop being sooooooooo myopic!
Short-sighted, really?
sorry, i just don't like them, am I not entitled to my opinion? am i not entitled to express it? isn't that a contradiction in it's self?
Have i not been understanding in expressing my opinion?
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That's it then, 1st time I meet Nada it's on with the shacles and slap him on the closest outfit-that'll be a good giggle.
Mate, the 1st time I saw outfits was in NZ and a bloke flipped his and put himself in a wheel chair.
But then, the 1st time I rock climbed a bloke fell 5m ans cracked his skull open--we just had to move to another spot so we could ahve a go.
Until you have been on a start grid with 20 sidecars-you haven't drawn a decent breath. Give it a go.
Now, back to the Nats. I understand there are plenty (enough) helpers. Is ther not a farmer that will lend a paddock for a day somewhere?? A nice grassy paddock with one or two hills and a creek. some shadey trees perhaps.......
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LOL
Yeah well, as for the grass track, leave it with me, im working on that:):):):):)
I have a mate, with a wicked property, that all will enjoy:)
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I am not upset about your comments , it all depends on who is riding one .Yes a loony can do more damage to himself and others on sidecar than on a solo. I have polished my sidecar boots and hung them up to have more time and play with the solos and family, no hard feelings , Nada
NO, SHIT NO! i respect sdidecars and the people who ride them! you have bigger balls than me!!!
I'm just sharing my opinion and my personal experience and why im not a fan.
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Nada not trying to stifle your opinion but hopefully you haven't seen a car wreck otherwise you would have to ride a horse. Heaps of things I don't like but know others love them so I leave them be. If vmx didn't have the huge variety it has then we would all be interested in moderns which too old eyes just all look the same with different graphics.
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Dunno if someone has beaten me to it but more Dirttrack / Speedway tackle.
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Nada not trying to stifle your opinion but hopefully you haven't seen a car wreck otherwise you would have to ride a horse. Heaps of things I don't like but know others love them so I leave them be.
Ross, Yes, i have seen a car wreck, Yep, would you like me to share that story aswell?
Since you brought it up, i will!
I was driving across the Western Ring Rd (Which im sure you know where that is) at about 2:30pm on August 21 2008, i was 2nd on the scene to a major roll over, where a prime mover had changed lanes and clipped a Toyota Corolla on the front end. In the drivers seat was grandmother picking her grandson up from daycare.
The Corolla rolled several times, crushing the roof and coming to stand still in the emergency lane, the old lady walked out with minor cuts and bruises.
The grandson suffered major internal injuries and was bleeding internally vigorously.
when we pulled him from the wreck, he had a minor pulse. We applied CPR for 30 solid minutes until the ambulance arrived but tragically the young boy dies at the scene.
Tragically cars are a necessity, and i understand that.
As I understand one passion towards an outfit, I share the same towards a solo.
But, what you are asking me to do is shut up, don't voice my opinion and don't share my personal experience, I'm even being sympathetic towards their passion.
well, to that, I say F#@K You
Considering your an educated man, I would expect more!
F#$king Teachers!
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Nada you gonna love this forum. Jerry
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Umpire!!
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Why would you bring up such a tragic thing .
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Nada not trying to stifle your opinion but hopefully you haven't seen a car wreck otherwise you would have to ride a horse. Heaps of things I don't like but know others love them so I leave them be. If vmx didn't have the huge variety it has then we would all be interested in moderns which too old eyes just all look the same with different graphics.
I didn't, Ross asked for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Average mate, no more from me. Enjoy whatever!
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Average mate, no more from me. Enjoy whatever!
Hit a nerve did I, maybe you should think before you type!
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No Nada I'll debate a point but not interested in the personal stuff mate, better things to do than lower myself to that. Enjoy the forum mate.
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No Nada I'll debate a point but not interested in the personal stuff mate, better things to do than lower myself to that. Enjoy the forum mate.
Yep, you know what I agree!
But im man enough to say that I made a mistake Ross, an I apologise! sincerely for the sleigh comment.
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Wow, I go out for dinner and come back to this ???. Being from NSW where sidecar motocross doesn't really exist I have no real afinity for them but find the engineering in them interesting. I too have seen a horrific sidecar racing accident when a rider from WA got totally out of control and launched his Wasp into the crowd at the Pt Pirie Nats. The rider had entered into some sort of red mist situation and could have easily killed a little girl the bike landed on right in front of me, sadly his passenger was permanently injured. I was pretty angry over the damage this accident caused but do I hate sidecars because of it? No way, they're no more dangerous than my old DT1. It's riders doing stupid things on them that I hate. I have however seen a lot more riders doing truly dumb things on solos in my 45 years in the sport......chill 8)
Back to the subject at hand.....an interesting sidecar or two would be cool....that W650 Kawasaki beater that's being restored on here would be good, ditto some of Walters exotica. Slidey, I also called for the occasional piece on dirt track and speedway tackle. They're all dirt bikes after all. ;D
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Ooops you're right Walter, at least I was in the right state ::). That accident scared the shitter out of me, I was on the infield taking photos and I still have a strong mental picture of that big Honda four going into the crowd. The little girl and her family was just so lucky, pity about his passenger though.
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I think VMX is probably a product of its own success both here and overseas. It has articles on all sorts of exotica that most have not seen. Its original success was in its local content. I'd like to see just a couple of pages similar to the Drakeford files or Firko's where there is a little in depth article about our Aussie legends. Would love to see it encapsulate both vmx and dirt track, because so many featured in both. Some even covered both in both solos and sidecars.
Just off the top of my head:
Clarrie Jones, vmx sidecars from Ron Bergmiers passenger through to dirt track and speedway solos and sidecars.
Ray Owens contributions to mx (Wallan) and his brilliant short circuit history.
My local hero John Timan, speedway and mx products and wheels.
Why not a feature on Nigel Boocook now residing in Bribane. ( everyone else in British Speedway has an MBE why not him? Is it cos he lives in the colonies.
Why not a feature article on Vincent Speedway trikes, everyone would have to appreciate the engineering in these rocket ships,
Brian Clarke in Bendigo with his mx and dirt track/speedway racing and promotions.
Perhaps the true gentleman of vmx, Jack Pengelly comes to mind.
Sorry for the Victorian bias but I am an ex Mexican, but there alike souls in every oz state . I dont think the international readers would be too upset with a little local content.
These guys are still around but not forever, lets get some of their stories to treasure
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WHAT BIKES WOULD I LIKE VMX TO FEATURE, SIDECAR MOTOCROSS SIDECARS FROM BACK WHEN IT STARTED TO PRE 1990 AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN WITH THE LEGENDS THAT RODE THEM ;)
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I always liked "blokes and their sheds" , Love looking at the exotica and no limit budget resto's but most of us can only dream of those types of resto's . Found some great ideas in Firko's cheep builds . Over all still enjoy the Mag ( got all the issues ) only one thought a bit of a spread in each issue eg not all exotica or all one era bikes . As a confirmed Yamaha tragic Im looking forward to the next issue but for others it would be to much old Yamaha's in one issue . Well done gents give yourselfs a pat on the back . Iain
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Just a thought.... how about a series of articles on the range of say Jap 125s over a year. That might make the mags even more collectable and get once off readers come back to get the series much like the English mags used to do.
Also.. on the sidecarcross side of things, a front cover shot and story about outfits would push that one issue through the roof as every rider and passenger, past and present, would buy it just for it's own sake. Probably the same for dirt track and or speedway chairs.
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From memory I can only remember one article with a red Wasp very early in the 1/2 dozen mags at a guess . Iain
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From memory I can only remember one article with a red Wasp very early in the 1/2 dozen mags at a guess . Iain
Could have been a yellow wasp, which is now red?
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No red issue #2 page 22 "Chairman's Report " by Wayne Clarke on the Cook-Ewings Wasp . Iain
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I knew it was Peter Lawson Walter but I thought he was on the Honda....that's what the years have done to my memory, sorry. I have no doubt you had nothing to do with it Walter...it was an example of just plain crazy riding, nothing more.
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I haven't gone through the pages so forgive me if it's been mentioned but I'd like a feature on the Hagon stroked 370 four stroke that Vic Eastwood reckoned to be far faster than his XT version. I've heard that Vic's memory is not what it was but I think Rod Spry has the bike in for restoration, so possibly an article is in the offing.
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I would like to see vmx Mag show more on the 50 to 80cc European Enduro and Motocrosser, they are sweet bikes and I believe they have
good following over their in Europe.
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I would like to see vmx Mag show more on the 50 to 80cc European Enduro and Motocrosser, they are sweet bikes and I believe they have
good following over their in Europe.
They did a piece on them a couple of issues ago Dave .
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Ok, I must have missed that issue. Iain.
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;) Excellent back to what it was :) :) thanks everyone, im sick of bling, you only get original once! so imagin all the lost battle scars and history that has been destroyed :'(
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thanks everyone, im sick of bling, you only get original once! so imagin all the lost battle scars and history that has been destroyed
The more I watch American Pickers and those Brit antique shows it sinks into me that if a bike is complete enough to avoid a resto, don't do it. As Shelpi said, they're only original once. Even my upcoming antique KR Maico 250 flat tracker will at first avoid the resto brush. I'm going to clean it up as best I can, reupholster the seat in weather worn used leather, rebuild the engine and mechanicals and put it on the track as is. I might eventually do a big old resto on it but we'll wait and weigh up the pro's and cons.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/15497895-27240-large.jpg)
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That ones a beauty Mark ! what year?
pancho.
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That ones a beauty Mark ! what year?
pancho.
It's from the early 60's Wal. I've been around Maicos for 40 plus years and it's the first I've seen except for a couple of photos in books. I had to have it.
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thanks everyone, im sick of bling, you only get original once! so imagin all the lost battle scars and history that has been destroyed
Nothing like a little 'Rustoration', I like the Harley Museum "Wheels Through Time" where they drag some old sled from the 1930s out of a barn and get her running, then ride across the States on some barn fresh veteran.
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How about featuring the individual VMX class winners from each state in Australia?
Now that the season is finished there are plenty to choose from.
This would showcase 'real' bikes and also the enthusiasts that are still buying oil and tyres for these old bikes...... then racing with like-minded people on weekends. :)
Other than that..... more Green would be great ... ;)
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I think many a bike has been covered over time but the bike/owner story would have stuff that many would not know and find interesting. As time goes by there will many new VMX owners with an interesting background to be shared with us all.
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thanks everyone, im sick of bling, you only get original once! so imagin all the lost battle scars and history that has been destroyed
Nothing like a little 'Rustoration', I like the Harley Museum "Wheels Through Time" where they drag some old sled from the 1930s out of a barn and get her running, then ride across the States on some barn fresh veteran.
I have been to http://www.wheelsthroughtime.com/ (http://www.wheelsthroughtime.com/) in Maggie Valley, NC and the guys are simply awesome. If you are showing interest in some bike, Dale will drop the ropes, pull it into the hallway, fire it up and smoke it up and down the hall :-)
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I saw Dale from Wheels Through Time on "Chasing Classic Cars" on the Turbo Channel. The show was covering the unveiling of the huge Hartung Collection and Dale was getting some of the 100 year old motorcycles going. He seemed to be a nice, interesting bloke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2gfB177sWs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2gfB177sWs)
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How about featuring the individual VMX class winners from each state in Australia?
Now that the season is finished there are plenty to choose from.
This would showcase 'real' bikes and also the enthusiasts that are still buying oil and tyres for these old bikes...... then racing with like-minded people on weekends. :)
Other than that..... more Green would be great ... ;)
dont forget the black art of classic mx (sidecars) :D
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How did the Auction go, what was the outcome.
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Issue #52
DT Yammie ~Big BSA Dirt Tracker~ Indian ~ Suzuki Rockstar ~Yamaico 125 and a tidy 495 KTM.
Pretty well covered every corner of the globe.
Awesome off season lifesaver 8)
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But no sidecars... darn. ;)
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Actually I lied. There is a sidecar on P23. :o
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Just shows how keen we are to please the sidecar crowd, I guess. ;)
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Issue 52 ; As a slightly biassed Yamaha tragic I think this issue had all the right buttons pressed . Iain
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You just can't shut up as I have said put up or shut up show some paperwork that these so called 98 parts are what you say they are you keep on telling every one you are the importer but as usual you have not produced one bit of paper work here's your chance put it up here for every one to see, but I dare say the thread will be deleted or locked. Remember you retired not 4 weeks ago please in joy your retirement
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Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if Graeme created an area just for the sidecar chaps to slag each other. Why wreck other threads with this shit?
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Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if Graeme created an area just for the sidecar chaps to slag each other. Why wreck other threads with this shit?
Couldn't agree more!!
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HEAR HEAR put the naughty boys in the corner of the room for a time out so the rest of us can play in the sand pit in peace :D
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What about a feature/review of a Husky AE500? :)
Some Pre 90 bikes? MX bikes converted for enduro like the WMW's etc?
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There was nothing on SWM this issue whats going on?
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Hey wouldn't it be a great idea if Graeme created an area just for the sidecar chaps to slag each other. Why wreck other threads with this shit?
That would be the sidecar section. That's where to take it. I sure as hell never go in there...
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I loved the BSA Metisse flat tracker, just when Metisses were becoming as boring as HL Yamaha's, someone took a new tack on one and we see them in a new light. I'm going to shoot and write a couple of good flat tracker pieces over the next year. I'm hoping to shoot a couple at Broadford HBBB this Easter. These bikes are growing in popularity with more and more of them are being built or imported.
One highlight to me in issue 52 may have been missed by some, it bares repeating....... "She was a regular watcher of another Aussie on US TV at the time, that self absorbed tosser Steve Irwin and had some vague idea that the bloke was someone mystical and mysterious. Sorry lady, Irwin made everything out to be bigger and better than it really was, including himself"............ Sweep Rider column by Ken Smith, p3.
Ken and I are in agreeance when it comes to this idiot. He made a living fuc*ing with animals that didn't want to be fuc*ed with to make himself look the handsome weatherbeaten Aussie Hero to the gullible Yanks. Thankfully his Karma free ride got him in the end. ;D
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I would like to see a page or two about Calder Rally cross, in the early 70`s.