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Marque Remarks => British (BSA, Greeves, Triumph etc) => Topic started by: mx250 on January 08, 2011, 01:14:37 pm
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....really cool ;D
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/bsa2.jpg)
More detailed shots;
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bsa2.jpg
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bsa13.jpg
I think an air filter would be a neat addition for a dirt bike ::) :-[.
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looks very heavy
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Depends on what you call heavy. Heavy for me is big Harleys, Euro cruisers and other road bikes. I cant stand heavy bikes like that which are awkward to move. No that BSA wont be as light as a 1970's 2 stroke but i dont consider it would be a massive struggle to manouver it around during its intended purpose unless you were a 10 year old kid. Thats what people raced back in the 40's-60's though. I think it looks kinda good.
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Makes a refreshingly cool screen saver :P
Is it a Goldstar ?
cheers A
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Yeah Alison...it's a DBD34 Goldy. Tasty.
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doesn't look too heavy ;D
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/Hos55x/GoldstaratDehesa.jpg)
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doesn't look too heavy ;D
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/Hos55x/GoldstaratDehesa.jpg)
Till it lands on top of you! ;D
Great shot and yes...way cool bike
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Makes a refreshingly cool screen saver :P
Good thinking. Done. I need the change.
I love the patina 8) - and it might be heavy but would make a great 'Green Lane' trail bike (as set up) - once you had got it started of course ::).
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Love all of it, the classic old slow revving 500 singles.
Fire every telegraph pole used to be description.
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my Goldstar fantasies look more like this. minus the brat
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/neytriumphnz/Picture012.jpg)
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Probably looked a bit like this before the knobbies went on......
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/vintage-06050.jpg
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Original patina or restored, Sir?
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bsa1.jpg
I'll take on§e of each if you don't mind ;D
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Not very adventuress looking with no tool bag and lights to go exploring.. :P
Feel more at ease and comfortable just throwing your leg over the Cool Patina one. ;D
cheers A
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Probably no need for a air filter in the snow.
Loverly bike tho.
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Here's a cool Goldy that actually sees racing action. My UK friend Ben (Flower Pot Racing on this forum) races this cool original period Goldy.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/goldie%20ben1.jpg)
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Not heavy, Not cumbersome, just SUPER!
Herbs XS650 is heavy!.
pancho.
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Here's a cool Goldy that actually sees racing action. My UK friend Ben (Flower Pot Racing on this forum) races this cool original period Goldy.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/goldie%20ben1.jpg)
With air filter ;D.
Absolutely superb 8). Absolutely Kool 8).
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Bet it sounds good too 8)
What type of frame is that? great looking rear guard support.
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...Cheney Gold Star...
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Yeah, it's a Cheney...I forgot to put that in for some reason. I love the look of that bike and Cheneys in general.
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Airbox is real statement, might have to do that with my Honda Cheney as carb is roughly same spot, really fell in love with my BSA Cheney once I started assembling it and found it was really nicely made.
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...Cheney Greeves 380...
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Very COOL 223 ,have you every postioned the front guard up higher..we looked at our front guard on the Sprite- low -high-low and choose the high.
I think the high postion makes them look like they have more grunt ;D
What year is it and do you race it ??
cheers A
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This is South Aussie John Shwartz on his Cheney DBD34 Goldy, similar to Bens. John had a severe stroke while competing on this bike at the Barrabool Nats and nearly died seconds after I took the 'airtime' photo.
After lengty rehab he's back living a normal life again. His son is Paris Dakar rider David Shwartz, former team mate to Andy C.
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Sweet Cheney Greeves 223. These rarities have been coming out of the woodwork lately. Here's my Cheney Yamaha. (again).
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/DSC_0133.jpg)
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Back on focus....here's my mate Bob Neilsons Sonic framed BSA Gold Star dirt tracker. Bob sadly died last month leaving behind one of Americas best aftermarket framed dirtbike collections.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bobs%20sonic.jpg)
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...ciao VMX247 ...probably 1967 Frame n#005
i live in Italy and race the italian cham. with a Cotton-Tiumph (original ex Arthur Lampkin) in pre-73
and a 125 Aspes Hopi in 125 pre-76
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ciao Graziano
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Hi 223....I have a Cotton frame similar to your Tri/Cotton and a Triumph 500 engine looking for a frame to live in. Do you have any problems with frame breakages on the Cotton? They're very light and to me look a little flimsy to handle the weight and power of the Triumph engine. The engine fits nicely I must admit though, much easier than the Sprite and Hindall frames I've tried to fit it to. As soon as I can sort out a camera download problem I'll post some photos.
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Hey 223 great shots thanks for sharing ...more questions . ;D
Is your clubs membership based on pre78 era or its an all era club??
cheers west aust
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Hi firko,
only a break on the top rear engine mounting in 6 years of races...the cotton is fairly light #118 kg (262Lbs ?)
with oils and 5 liters of petrol, i run on 50%avg50%unl.
Hi vmx247
in Italy clubs are all "all era" , with peoples responsible for "Vintage mx", "Vintage road", "Modern Touring" ecc ecc..
...sorry for my poor english :-[
ciao ciao
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Thanks Graziano. I had previously considered building the Cotton but decided on a Metisse instead. Now I've got a spare engine and a few different frames I'd like to build something different for pre 65...118kg sounds pretty good, it's lighter than me which is a good start!
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....really cool ;D
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/bsa2.jpg)
More detailed shots;
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bsa2.jpg
http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bsa13.jpg
I think an air filter would be a neat addition for a dirt bike ::) :-[.
A brother ;) 8)
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...Cheney Gold Star...
It a works BSA.
One of six that were made by Eric. The BSA factory commissioned him to make some light weight frames for their bikes. This is one of them.
It is not like the Cheney Goldstar frame that you would buy today, it has lots of BSA bits on the frame.
It has a Pearson motor running on R and is set up for methanol. It is seriously bloody quick! I love firing it up in the garage. The noise and small are magnificent!
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Flower pot,do you come across many DB34 Goldstar bottom ends in your neck of the woods..??
cheers A
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Yes, they come from the Netherlands (ABSAF) in gift wrapped boxes to any spec you want! They take 5 weeks from the date of order any spec you want
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Flower pot,do you come across many DB34 Goldstar bottom ends in your neck of the woods..??
cheers A
Yes they are available ~ at a price. I have a set of cases on my bench.
To be fair most people building a race motors wouldnt probably use an original set of cases. There is no point from a cost point of view. They would use the more readiliy available pre unit BSA cases and go from there.
A mate in Ireland recently build a new Cheney Goldstar and got bored of asking for help getting a motor together. He was being offers scrap parts for mega bucks by people who really didnt want to let their set of orginal blown up cases, barrel missing 6 fins, head split in half etc rare parts leave their shed.
One phone call later he had ordered a new motor to his spec. 5 weeks later it was in his new rolling chassis.
I will find a pic of the pic and try and post it.
The finished bikeis a thing of beauty. Absolutley stunning..... and best of all he is going to race it!
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With regard to the case's and if they are not orginal then you only have a replica and not a Goldstar.
Far less than what it's really worth.So if you can get Goldstar case's then you will have an original.
Is the cost and fear of damage of a rare item why original cases where not used ?
Trying to understand why people call them Goldstar when the only a replica.
We have an opportunity to purchase one that is a replica Goldstar,though doesn't have Goldy cases. :-\
cheers S&A WA
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With regard to the case's and if they are not orginal then you only have a replica and not a Goldstar.
Far less than what it's really worth.So if you can get Goldstar case's then you will have an original.
Is the cost and fear of damage of a rare item why original cases where not used ?
Trying to understand why people call them Goldstar when the only a replica.
We have an opportunity to purchase one that is a replica Goldstar,though doesn't have Goldy cases. :-\
cheers S&A WA
The cases are pretty much identical. Genuine Goldie cases are fewer in number, carry the wow factor and are consequently worth more. So why use original ones that could be damaged when you don’t need to...? I bet you couldn’t even tell the difference anyway.... (I couldn’t!)
I don’t think it in any way shape or form, makes it a lesser bike.
I don’t think using a set of cases that didn’t start life when they left the factory being called a Goldstar make it any less of a bike. I am sure you wont be shocked to hear that some people actually changes the numbers on cases ~ shock horror! How many std gearbox cases now have RRT stamped on them? I bet there are more in existence today than were ever made!
It's like when people get overly excited about having to have a set of B50MX cases for their CCM project. Who'd want a set of shagged MX cases that have seen a hard life? I'd go for a low hour set of B50SS cases any day. By the time the motor has been built to CCM spec, the original number gone and a CCM bore x stroke number added what is the difference? Not a lot in my book.
Same goes for having a shagged out XR500 motor vs a low hour XL500 motor. Bugger all difference and by the time it has had all the goodies put in the motor it doesn’t matter anyway (in my book).... I'd want the low hour XL motor every time.
Original vs Replica is an age old debate. It doesn’t really matter to me what it is. Personally if it is quick, looks good & sounds great then I am happy.
But, if some one is saying it is something when it clearly isn’t (ie getting more money for it on the basis that it is a particular model etc etc) and intentionally not telling the truth, then that is not correct. From what you have said this is not the case. If you are happy with the bike and happy to pay the price, then get it.
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Well put Ben.
Trying to understand why people call them Goldstar when the only a replica
Alison........most of the Metisses or Cheneys we see racing today are replicas but we don't have any problem calling them by their original name so why the worry about whether a replica Goldy engine should be called a Goldy? The pre 65 class couldn't exist without Pat French's replica Metisses or Simon's replica Cheneys so if having a Dutch Goldy puts another bike on the track it's a good thing. Being snobby about these things isn't a good look ;D.
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What about if it's a works replica Goldstar replica? ;D
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But, if some one is saying it is something when it clearly isn’t (ie getting more money for it on the basis that it is a particular model etc etc) and intentionally not telling the truth, then that is not correct. From what you have said this is not the case. If you are happy with the bike and happy to pay the price, then get it.
Thanks for your input on this subject. :)
In this case its all good,but there are those out in the vmx world who continue to add the big price label and sell bikes to unsuspecting buyers. :(
The buyer buying for all kinds of reasons ,one as you stated ie:if it is quick, looks good & sounds great then I am happy.Also the seller himself may not be aware of the parts being replica etc.
I suppose we can't do much about these sellers though and some will continue to sell till days end.
I have questioned some sellers on bikes originalty and price tag while putting in an offer on a purchase.Suppose this should be chalked up as sales etiquette and perhaps just say nothing ?
cheers A
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Bought some "dutch" goldy stuff its good and after 1 month of adds had cases - barrel ansd Head from auz and Unzud.
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Hey Bazza there was some 350 Gold star stuff on trade me/ it was core unit minus the core ;D
Anyways entering the old replica debate, the ABSAF engine is in the Goldstar replica category but arguably a Summerfield Manx isn't given that they own the legal right to build Manx engines. Albeit that the Summerfield Manx has benefitted from another 20 years of development and vastly improved metalurgy.
I think finally replicas are great for racing, the Summerfield Manx's got riders like Bazza, Schwantz and Wayne out there, not to mention you have replica MVs, Patons, Gileras and other exotica which keeps things colorful and not a bunch of black and white photos of guys in funny helmets/
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The buyer buying for all kinds of reasons ,one as you stated ie:if it is quick, looks good & sounds great then I am happy.Also the seller himself may not be aware of the parts being replica etc.
Alison, it seems to me by the tone of your post that you think that a replica is somehow inferior or dodgy. I reality, the ABSAF and all of the Norton and Matchless replica manufacturers are making infinitely better quality products, mainly due to better merallurgy and years of development as Marc pointed out. You'd be very brave to race a genuine Goldy, Manx or G50 in serious competition because of the stresses built up in old castings and components over the last 50 years. Of course it you're wanting a matching numbers rally bike or garage queen, nothing can replace originality. For racing...give me a replica any day.
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For racing...give me a replica any day.
Of course if money is any object you would probably be best to avoid the whole specialist Brit bike thing/. Its specialist market where most people involved are quite well set up and they charge accordingly.
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Speaking of Manx decided my rather cool 56 pre unit motor and AMC box was too good to waste in a Rickman so this is the direction I am going.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/outsider8/triton.jpg)
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Flower Pot Racing sent me some shots of him racing his Goldie at Beauval in France. As well as the Goldy he's got some genuinely tasty stuff like the CCM shown below.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ben%20goldie.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ben%20goldie2.jpg)(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ben%20goldie1.jpg)
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Anyone who would run a genuine Goldie 500 that is putting out good hp would be nuts to run a standard conrod and or standard crankpin set these days.
As a destroyer of several sets of good goldie 8 web crankcases in the '60s I speak with authourity on this!
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My God. That is NICE!
Speaking of Manx decided my rather cool 56 pre unit motor and AMC box was too good to waste in a Rickman so this is the direction I am going.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/outsider8/triton.jpg)
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But, if some one is saying it is something when it clearly isn’t (ie getting more money for it on the basis that it is a particular model etc etc) and intentionally not telling the truth, then that is not correct. From what you have said this is not the case. If you are happy with the bike and happy to pay the price, then get it.
Thanks for your input on this subject. :)
In this case its all good,but there are those out in the vmx world who continue to add the big price label and sell bikes to unsuspecting buyers. :(
The buyer buying for all kinds of reasons ,one as you stated ie:if it is quick, looks good & sounds great then I am happy.Also the seller himself may not be aware of the parts being replica etc.
I suppose we can't do much about these sellers though and some will continue to sell till days end.
I have questioned some sellers on bikes originalty and price tag while putting in an offer on a purchase.Suppose this should be chalked up as sales etiquette and perhaps just say nothing ?
cheers A
Dare I ask what it is you have been offered and perhaps more importantly what they are asking for it as this might put things into perspective as maybe this is the biggest issue for you (?)
I know of a beautiful Goldie in the UK that is for sale. An original (albeit refined) stunning scrambler with all the right bits, rebuilt and ready to race. I think it was £10k or £14K, cant remember (cheap as chips when you look at that CCM that sold the other day on OZ needing work....!) I know the chap who built it and he does very nice work. It was on UK ebay a few weeks ago, I dare say you saw it..... not sure if it is still for sale. I can ask.
What do you want to do with it? Put it in a collection or race it? I think you would enjoy racing one that is 'sorted' and ready to go rather than wobbling round on an old original dinosaur with indifferent suspension etc. If you are a quick rider then then you could start damaging the bike which really wont help it's value (if that is your concern)
Ultimately it's your money and I guess if you are talking Goldstars it isnt pocket money. If you are happy to pay the price then it must be worth it. I am sensing that you are not sure and there is doubt. So perhaps listen to your head and wait for the next one. There will be others.....
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Alison, it seems to me by the tone of your post that you think that a replica is somehow inferior or dodgy.
Not at all.Steven and my question was answered back before about the cases.
Then I replied by adding simply that some sellers are not being honest with the buyers. ..Its all about knowledge which some buyers/sellers dont have (not in our case)..Thankfully us lot have you lot ;D to let us know other wise.
Hope that clears it up a bit-really needs to be discussed by the camp fire.
But ::) ;D if you have a Norton Commando SS with out the SS bits it aint a NC SS. ;) cheers Alison
Dare I ask what it is you have been offered and perhaps more importantly what they are asking for it as this might put things into perspective as maybe this is the biggest issue for you (?)
What do you want to do with it? Put it in a collection or race it? I am sensing that you are not sure and there is doubt.
Its at a very good price,and is it not better than shares,superanuation and it will hold its value.
Some of the reason we asked the questions.
Me,Myself and I are 100% sure and have no doubt.
It'll be riden/raced whatever I put in the shed. 8)
cheers Alison
Its specialist market where most people involved are quite well set up and they charge accordingly.
On some very nice items indeed 8) the news page :P
http://www.absaf.nl/
cheers A
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Here's a nice Goldy scrambler built by Flower Pots mate Andrew.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/med_2a18402e8p.jpg) (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/BSA%20Goldie.jpg) (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bsa%20goldie%202.jpg)
http://www.niclassicscramblesclub.com/galleries/g.php/69 (http://www.niclassicscramblesclub.com/galleries/g.php/69)
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Here's my old mate Rick Doughty looking pleased as punch on his nice BSA Goldstar DBD34
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/DOUGHTYGOLDSTAR.jpg)
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Gees hows that air box in the ali side cover in ben's mates bike #69. i like it, is that normal or made up kit ?
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Goddamn there some nice Beeza's firko ! way cool ;)
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Speaking of Manx decided my rather cool 56 pre unit motor and AMC box was too good to waste in a Rickman so this is the direction I am going.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/outsider8/triton.jpg)
Nice ! What are the rear units...and (age-old question) what's the front brake ?? ;)
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Sorry not my bike, I plan to use Fontana 4LS as they look the business.
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Is the brake a Grimeca 4ls perhaps? It's hard to tell but the shocks look like they may be Hagons.
That's indeed a nice Triton Marc.
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Rather suspect if it was a Grimeca, there'd be evidence of some form of linkage on this side, Firko... ;)
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Rather suspect if it was a Grimeca, there'd be evidence of some form of linkage on this side, Firko
Correct my friend ;) On second glimpse look it doesn't look Italian.....any more ideas?
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Let's wait until Marc gives us a perve at the "nearside", as the pommy journos used to call it...
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com'on guys, we are riders after all. We have a near side and an off side-how else can we explain how we get on and off with out getting kicked-
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'Its at a very good price,and is it not better than shares,superanuation and it will hold its value.'
The you have answered your own question. Buy it!
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Gees hows that air box in the ali side cover in ben's mates bike #69. i like it, is that normal or made up kit ?
It has louvers stamped in it. It is one way of doing it (I think it looks cool!)
It's a hand made bike so it's not like you buy it off the shelf, everything is made to measure.....
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(http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv145/rarpos7/IslandClassic2011022.jpg)
Photo of my latest BSA.
A very nice 350cc Gold Star scrambler that has had lights added.
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South Australian John Schwartz's Cheney Goldie. A quite different bike to Flower Pots Cheney.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/8-25-2010_024.JPG)
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another Sonic BSA Gold Star..
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/sonic%20beeza.jpg)
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Good 'ol boy Edgar Phipps's BSA Gold Star
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/edgargoldie.jpg)
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Rather suspect if it was a Grimeca, there'd be evidence of some form of linkage on this side, Firko
Correct my friend ;) On second glimpse look it doesn't look Italian.....any more ideas?
it's Italian allright,i had a smaller version,weighed a ton,big caste in steel liner,see the inner middle rivets,magnesium brake plate,but shit no fade,look also at the spoke flanges,they're riveted on,expansion "cracks" around the drum centre finning,can't bloody remember what it was,wasn't Fontana,coulda been early Grimeca,or Ceriani,but i remember who i lent it to 20yrs ago,(i will catch up ;)) :P
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Italian "Oldani"
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shit your'e right 223,racked my brain,couldn't think oldani when i posted,it looks a bigger version than i had, :P
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Oldani!!! Of course. Thanks Graziano.
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This one has been bouncing around the UK auctions. Last listed in Feb. on Ebay for 10,000 GBP. No bidders.....
(http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59/CheneySachs/CFri11gBmkKGrHqIOKiE0ikvGkkLBNV8bvLMg_12.jpg)
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That front mudguard certainly doesn't look 'tidy' for a 10,000GBP bike ::). Looks like the wrong diameter guard :-[. The rear of it is okay but the front looks odd - it offends my aesthetics :P.
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Speaking of Manx decided my rather cool 56 pre unit motor and AMC box was too good to waste in a Rickman so this is the direction I am going.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/outsider8/triton.jpg)
Have you seen his brother/cousin........ 8)
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/VincentEgli2.jpg)
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That front mudguard certainly doesn't look 'tidy' for a 10,000GBP bike ::). Looks like the wrong diameter guard :-[. The rear of it is okay but the front looks odd - it offends my aesthetics :P.
That's the one I was talking about. I know the chap that built it and his work is first class. He is not a million miles form me. £10k? Bargain. Cheap when you look at what that CCM sold for the other day needing work..... Half the price of what #69 cost to build......
As for the front guard, Simon makes the mudguard stays of unequal length so that the front one pushes the guard slightly further away from the tyre to stop the mud build up and allow it to be flung out, so it is correct. I think that is the guard is a bit longer than usual which exagerates the whole effect and ok, yes, it does look a little unusual. Normally Cheney bikes have a shorter front guard, so you wouldnt notice the effect as much. It would be easier on the eye if the mudguard stays were if it were symmetrical so they guard closely followed the line of the tyre. I am sure that the seller would supply a shorter guard (about £40) or have a set of equal length stays made if you agreed to buy the bike..........!
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That's the one I was talking about. I know the chap that built it and his work is first class. He is not a million miles form me. £10k? Bargain. Cheap when you look at what that CCM sold for the other day needing work..... Half the price of what #69 cost to build......
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Its is for sure worth it but I think the issue with a lot of the older pre 65 VMX bikes is the number of potential buyers is reducing. Maybe its the economy or just that it is a very small group of people who would drop 10 large on a pre 65 dirt bike.
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Its is for sure worth it but I think the issue with a lot of the older pre 65 VMX bikes is the number of potential buyers is reducing. Maybe its the economy or just that it is a very small group of people who would drop 10 large on a pre 65 dirt bike.
These points have been discussed on the forum before but.......I have been in VMX for 11 years and watch the decline at all pre65 levels.
Your right in the amount of potential buyers out there-they are becoming collector buyers as the price of a pre65 can get the average Joe Blow a couple of nice pre85 bikes to ride all season.
Now that Steven and I have got our stash of riding bikes its time for an investment and something that little bit different..even though the Sprite project is a little bit different ;D ::)
Times are a changing.....
cheers A
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cmon Alison ... the old "investment" argument is a popular one, the 'never find another one" works, cmon it is shed art and you just want to sit about looking at it. ;D... bike admiration syndrome, BAS is a medical condition that I am studying for my Phd ... shed chair and Carona often brings on the attack.
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(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/bsa2.jpg)
After seeing those BSA's TMBill photographed in the UK,I had to go wandering and found a few roadtrim on UK ebay :P
pre60 8)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-BSA-Gold-Star-350cc-Scrambles-Trim-Road-Registered-/320771151385?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4aaf735619
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1954-BSA-GOLD-STAR-A10-SPITFIRE-SCRAMBLER-CLASSIC-NICE-/130585295766?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1e677d7b96
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Can you find me some shots like that but of Ariel Red hanters please Ali.
I recall a for yrs back there was a shot on the cover of a pom mag of one with trials outfit-jeez I wish I could find that.
I need inspiration for a project for Wyaralong 2012 :D :D
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(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/ariel_red_hunter_1936_500.jpg)
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(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/SM0006_Ariel_GOV1322080020x20600.jpg)
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(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/Ariel_Museum_SM_white2080020x20600.jpg)
Sammy Miller's Ariel
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I wonder what they did to the forks to make them work>?????
Very nice tho Tossa-thank you.
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sammys aireal was leaning against the building out side when we went to his museum, nice
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Sounds like a good place to leave it Bazza :D
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Ah ariel red hunter ! my old man use to rave about the one he had as a young bloke and the square four and the tiger 100 but mostly about his 500 AJ ! days when him his mates used to chuck a small keg of beer on the back of one of the bike's and all head down to the beach south of town for beach drags :D reckons an old bloke on a HRD use to come down from up wauchope from time to time and clean em all up 8)
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i have my brothers (jap 454)racing ariel hope to enter it in dirt track nationals one year
jim
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I wonder what they did to the forks to make them work>?????
Very nice tho Tossa-thank you.
They have Bultaco innards inside them....
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I take it you mean Sammys bikes had Bully internals-I thought for a sec you were saying the Red Hunter was a cleverly disguised two-stroke pre-production Bultaco special :D :D :D
So Bully internals could work very well for trials back then but how do I get mine to handle table-tops and double jumps?? :o
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(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/ariel_red_hunter_1936_500.jpg)
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/060.gif)I love the look of the bikes in this era.(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/055.gif)
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/ArielRide_5-12-10010.jpg)
http://www.barkshire.co.uk/bikes/ArielNH1937.htm
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So do I.
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+ me :o
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Yep, all of those old Beeza'a (and Ariel's) are really nice but my idea of a cool looking dirt BSA is this............pity about the rims.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bobs%20sonic.jpg)
The late Bob Neilson's Goldie Hard tail built by Tom Horton.
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Those old Ariel and Tiger series singles were great bits of machinery, all real performers. If my memory is correct they were all from that genious of design, Val Page.
I wish I never sold my '37 model Tiger 70-Carey special.
cheers pancho
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At least you sold one Pancho-too many were taken to the tip FFS
What is the general concensus on the std frames and running gear of the Ariels?? I have been told the rear hubs were fragile.
There is a guy up here that used to run one at Nudgee at the VMX but not sure how to contact him.
I have found a guy that knows a fair bit about the motors tho-thank you Davey Crocket.
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Interesting history.. 8)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-419344127.htm
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My old friend John Kirchner from Condell park had a similar machine.
'Clubman Gold Star'
G.P. carby,no idle stop, 21" front wheel, insanely high first gear, quite a "note thrower" exhaust, complete with the 'goldie tweety bird' out the exhaust on closed throttle.
Absolute hopeless beast as a commuter, probably why he sold it! then bought a Harley.
Haven't seen him since.
cheers pancho