OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: speedaddic on November 15, 2008, 09:25:22 pm
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QVMX and Sunshine Coast MCC invites you to Green Park, Conondale in sunny Queensland for the 2009 Vintage MX Nationals from 7th - 8th - 9th August.
Good news for the side car guys as we will run the side car classes providing that we get the numbers needed.
for futher infomation please go to the qvmx website. The website is updated weekly. http://qvmx.com/html/2009_vmx_nats.html
thanx Craig Peirce qvmx VP.
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well guys, as Craig has said the sidecars are in if we get the numbers, so if your a sidecar nut start sending your emails to the club with your intentsions of competing.
The other big news for the event, Mr Glen Bell, Mr Oceania Champion, will be there to compete in the pre 85 opens so the challange is out-there and hopefully we will get a few more big names from the era on board as well.
As Craig has said, please follow the website for all the info, but the main thing for now is the date the event will be held, it has taken a while but we are all set for the 7,8 & 9th August 2009, so start your engines.
as a side note we are calling for sponsors for and Steve has put together some great packages for anyone interested, you can contact him via the website.
Cheers trev
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We will be there with a sidecar. As far as sponsorship packages go , please get them to contact me ASAP , so I can clear it with the board.
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Well with no Conondale Classic next year due to the packed QLD race schedule in place I have stuck up my hand for the three pre 85 class sponsorship for Wiltec.
I am also going to stick my hand up again for classic dirt ;)
Shane
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Klub Kevlar is considering sponsoring pre '65 or pre '70 or a best appearing bike trophy or all. An announcement will be coming forthwith.
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We have notified QVMX of our intentions to sponsor something.
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so the 7th, 8th and 9th is now definite?
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Rossco
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Sponsor us,,,, we need money for fuel ;) :D ;D
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Thanks for the replies on sponorship guys and the dates are now final, MA had a few changes and we had to roll with the punches as one would say.
Cheers Trev
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Is it too early to know if certain classes will be run on certain days for example up to pre 78 on saturday and the rest on sunday?
Just curious.
Geez i will have to leave my pre 85 big bore at home if Glens' riding! :-[
I told Dave Armstrong as well so you never know...
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So its pre 85 now ? ???
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Hi Brad
the intention is to run full rounds each day, more on this when the GCR's are approved.
Cheers Trev
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QVMX Please ....now...if possible and certainly not binding could your state what Championship classes and supports if any you expect to be running. I and others I know are getting more and more mixed messages . Are these the "traditional" type titles for pre 75 ? is it the the pre 85 titles? Are they on separate days and tracks ?or both just chucked in mixed lump like it or not? Some clarity thank you . Cheers Tim again I say not binding just what you intend subject to GCRs etc
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Hi Tim
the vintage Nationals will run as per the GCR's which caters for all classes ( except juniors ) there will be all the age groups for pre 75 as well,and yes EVO and Pre 85 with hopefully enough numbers to run sidecars. The GCR's are in final stage with a meeting tonight before going to MA for approval. for the most upto-date info keep checking our website.
the best way to not get mixed messages is to contact the club via email or check the web, hope this helps
Cheers Trev
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OK :)
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Trev
if you need a hand let me know
Dave T
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Cheers Dave, the meeting went well. Ross Martin from MA took time out from his holidays to come along and i think he saw the committment from the two clubs which is going to make this event something to remember. The GCR's should be finalised soon for MA approval so stay tuned to the QVMX website for all the latest info. For anyone who is wanting to sponsor a class or classes please go through the QVMX website and contact Steve via email, we have several packages available for those wanting to be envolved, but get in soon as there has been a fabulous response so far.
Cheers Trev
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So pre 75 sidecars can run in pre 85 class as well , or do you combine the clases ? I have to know what to dig up from the museeum :D
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dont quote me i am not sure :-\
but i think there is one class for sidecars
if thats the case you guys should get together and sort out
which one maybe ???
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Quote:Ross Martin from MA took time out from his holidays to come along.
Great news to read that the folks at MA get out and about to the clubs. :-*
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Sidecars classes are proposed to be run in accordance with the gcr's.
Pre 1968 Sidecar up to 1300cc
Pre 1975 Sidecar up to 1300cc and
Pre 1985 Sidecar up to 1300cc
6 or more starters for sidecar classes which actually participate in pracitice or races are required to classify as a Championship.
How the classes are run during the event will be subject to the number of entrees.
Once the supplementary Regs are approved they will be posted on the QVMX website.
Regards
Bob
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I have just read the latest QVMX newsletter email . There is a stop press at the end that says that the new date for the Conondale VMX Nats is the 7,8 & 9th of June 09 . Is this a typo mistake , or has there been a date change / swap ?
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That must be a mistake. Isn't that the CD6 weekend? I thought the nationals had been moved to early August.
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That would be way cool if they where on the same weekend,what an event that would be and then we would only have to save for one trip to sunny Qld. ;D :D ;) ;D :D
Cheers West Oz
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The MA website has it as Classic on the 6th to 8th of June and the Aussie titles as 7th to 9th of August.
Have asked Trev to confirm
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I just recieved another email from QVMX to say it was an error in the latest newsletter . It should have read August , not June . No worries .
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cornfirmed as an typo era ::) 7th -8th 9th of August are the dates , so stop pan-caking
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go away for a dirty weekend ( with my wife)and look what happens, Yes a mistake was made and the dates are 7,8,9 of AUGUST 2009.
Cheers Trev
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I hope there were no other mistakes made on the dirty weekend... :o
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Just been looking through my rule book and couldn't find an answer to my querie( there's not alot of pictures in that book so I think that's where I fall down)
Is there a required number of laps or race distance for such title events in the g.c.r's or is it up to the promoting club to determine ?
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Could someone please post a photo up of the start gate area.
Thanks in advance
WA
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P.m. me your email address, I have some just can't post as a large shot.
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PM on way
cheers WA
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Beautiful :-*
Thanks
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Are the supp regs out with the cost per class ?
im doing the maths on the advise of TM bill that i may have some options, brad, tony cavell ill be in touch - stay by the phones ;)
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Freaky - you gotta go mate - and you know why I think so!!!!!
cheers
Rossco
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You supply me a 250 to run or an open classer and illl give you the chance to redeem your self and take the mantel
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sorry Freaky - due to the current global economic crisis I am down to one bike and it has enough trouble hauling my fart arse around let alone yours as well!!!!!
Rossco
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Could be the first win as a double act ?
Maybe we can fit a sissy bar and you can donkey me around....................
actually forget i said that..............
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yes let's - where was that thread on how to delete posts.................
Rossco
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http://www.caloundratourism.com.au/accomm.php?f=view_accomm_listings
fantastic accommodation info ;D
cheers
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yep - thats where I got mine from - less than 10k's to the track as well!
cheers
Rossco
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Calling all Cauloundra Locals 8)
Is this the closest Caravan Park to the Conondale Track. 8)
Landsborough Pines Caravan Park or do you know of another closer.
cheers
WA Crew
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Have you considered camping at the track?
It's a top spot with a creek running through it.
I think camping's allowed for the Nats - isn't it?
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I was intending to ,
already entered ,
just waiting for details to book a camp site.
cheers
Noel
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Wombat ,would love to camp at the track,but am a bit weary after receiving an email.
There will be limited camping space available, so the earlier you arrive for gate opening the better.
as our flight gets in wednesday 3pm we will rock up at the gate Thursday am.
Don't like the chance of not scoring any realestate after coming from WA :-\
Could be 1st in line or 100th.
just covering all bases ,,,over organized I am. ;D
cheers alison
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Landsborough is closer to the track than caloundra, probably around 10-15 mins. Caloundra must be about 20-25 mins to the track.
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I wouldn't think you would run out of room at Conondale. There is heaps of room.
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Especially the car park area for the MX Nationals.. that is a huge area and i believe it will be camping area and it's all grass:)
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Here's the pits/camp ground. there is also an overflow area we can use.
Noel
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Plenty of room-cheers
No overtaking on the bridge-I gather :o :o
Alison
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Is it known yet what differences (if any) the track will have for pre/post 75?
cheers
Rossco
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The intention is to have one track.
Noel
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mmmmmmm!
::)
Rossco
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25 dayz left to enter
cheers
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37 more sleep ;D
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This is the list of Official sponsors for the Nats.
Wltec Industries
Engineered environments
Advantage Flooring Distributors
Colour it Australia
Hydrablast ph 0407 135 121
Intaphaze Electrical Contractors
Maleny Cheese
Ballards
Elf Fuel
Toro
Paint Match - Nambour
AIB Insurance
Dr Dirt
Sunshine coast oil Distributors Ph 07 5441 1404
Vergola ph 5443 9901
VMX Magazine
Majour Industrial Inspections
Coastline BMW Caloundra
Suzuki Australia
DG Performance Australia
Bellbird Creek Tea House
QVMX and the Sunshine coast Motorcycle club
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Good cross section of support there...Well done to the chaser who did the miles 8)
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how did entries go for some of the older classes? I am led to believe pre 85 etc is bursting but how about pre 75?
ta
Rossco
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You bunch of soft cocks - only 3 side cars, you guys winged that we had to run it, We included it and you turned up to CD6 so whats the problem. ???
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You gotta be joking--- three ??? :o ::) You sure ?
Walter ???
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1st 2nd and 3rd ;D
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What happened to all of the sidecars that were at CD6? Very disapointing.
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We only need six - :o -Its better chances than buying Lotto for a win or place :P
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gee! if i throw a chair on the side of the big MX125a.......... ;D
i can smell a trophy................. 8) :) :D
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how did entries go for some of the older classes? I am led to believe pre 85 etc is bursting but how about pre 75?
RVC, the strongest fields are in pre 75 and pre 78 open, evo is good but evo 125 is down the pre 85 classes are not as strong as one would have thought with on 10, 15 and 18 (for 125,250 and open, we had 35 250's to a club meeting??) some other noted are the pre 65 class with currently only enough numbers to run one combined race class!!!
The organisers have left postal entries open for another (approximately) 10 days (until program goes to print) to try and boost numbers (No late fee would be charged), the online entries via nominate are closed and forms can be downloaded from the QVMX website.
At present the rider numbers are 170 with around 375 bikes with very strong entries from WA and Victoria and a piss poor roll up from Queenslanders to an event in their backyard ??? ???
So if you thought Im not running at the nationals due to to many entries in your class think again!
Shane
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I'm disapointed in the low overall entry figure. 175 is not a huge number of entries considering the numbers of potential racers out there. All of the talk that the sport is in good condition seems a bit over enthusiastic when one considers that in the mid to late 90s this event would attract upward of 250 entries...All pre 75 and earlier! Now with every class from pre 65 to pre 85 on offer and with the sport supposedly in a resurgence, the Nats can only attract 175 entries and only 3 sidecars. Something 'ain't working.
RVC, the strongest fields are in pre 75 and pre 78 open, evo is good but evo 125 is down the pre 85 classes are not as strong as one would have thought with on 10, 15 and 18 (for 125,250 and open, we had 35 250's to a club meeting??) some other noted are the pre 65 class with currently only enough numbers to run one combined race class!!!
The above paragraph evokes a number of thoughts. With such low entries in the pre 85 class, it's now more than obvious that the time still isn't right for a pre 90 class. It also shows that the pre 75 division is far from dead, despite the neighsayers attempting to throw soil on the coffin. Evo 125 has never been well supported which surprises me considering that 125s were the hot ticket during the Evo classes 'era'. The pre 65 class is going through a period where many of the blokes who own such bikes are past their racing age and have turned their bikes into Lounge Lizards. The recent resurgence in interest in the class from younger, second generation racers is a glimmer of hope for the classes future.
To my way of thinking, the lower than expected turnout comes down to a number of different reasons. The QVMX and Sunshine Club have done an exemplary job in promotIng and organising the event. The success and smoothness of CD6 showed us all that both clubs know their shit and have good people at the pointy end. They've done far more than should be needed to attract entries and no blame on the lower than expected entry level should be placed on them. The track is up there with Barrabool in Victoria as one of the most perfect VMX venues I've personally seen and I've been to all bar three out of eighteen Nats.
So if it's not the promoter or the venue at fault, where does the problem lie? The recession hasn't done the event any favours. Times are tough and it's understandable that many just can't afford the serious road journey from the southern states. Another cost factor is the cost of the needed open licence. A notable percentage of vintage riders use the one day licence system on an 'as needed' basis, not being prepared to fork out the $300 plus for a licence they'd only need once or twice. This is one aspect of our sport that needs some serious thinking if we want the Nationals to continue to be the acing 'holy grail' of our sport.
The main problem however lies with us, the general VMX public. Two years ago the Coffs Harbour club was in an even worse entry situation than the QVMX/Sunshine clubs for the Coff Harbour Nats. It took some serious arse kicking on this forum to get many cyber racers and who couldn't have bothered entering to have a rethink, get off their arses and get their entries in. The last minute resurgence in entries, prompted by this very forum achieved the unthinkable and boosted the entry tally to an acceptable level.
It's time we did it again. As Shane has above stated, the organisers have kindly left the entries open for another 10 or so days in an attempt to drum up some more entries. If you were considering riding but were too slack to get your entry in in time or just plain haven't entered because you didn't think you'd have a chance at a trophy or some other limp dick excuse, please reconsider your attitude and give them a ring. If you know of a racer who hasn't entered but think he should give him a call. I'll be ringing my own mates who haven't entered and trying to get them involved. It's up to us to keep this event alive. As I said earlier, it's our sports Holy Grail and deserves full support. There was a time when very few racers would ever consider missing the Nats. The Nats, its dirt track brother event and the Condoblin Greybeards were three meeting that had icon status and attracted up to entries in the high 200s every year.
Let's hope we can get at least another thirty racers to break the 200 mark and put the event back up on the pedestal where it rightly belongs.
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The problem is , some are not allowed to enter , due to ASA politics
What kind of bullshit is this? Is it true? I was aware that there was some bad blood among the chair fraternity but being prevented from entering seems a bit Nazi to me. If it is true, you sidecar blokes need to hang your head in shame.
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I'll sum it up for you all then... Bureaucracy, politics and Scruitinazi's.
We are all to old and have seen it all before, some one gets a badge and has to throw their weight around and f*ck it all up.
Did everyone not realise that these bikes are not being ridden by teenagers or the country's elite?, they are being ridden by guys with older bodies and in most cases carrying long term injury's from days (race days) gone by, therefore the bikes need to be as safe as we can make them, we NEED good suspension on them as we are f*ckingwell middle aged and when we hit the ground we hit hard,;.... then we don't bounce back onto the bike like we did at Jilliby in 1981.
We also need good tractable power, we need the bike to handle better than they used to , so that we can reduce the risks of riding these old bikes.
I love my VMX bikes but I would rather go compete on my 09 Berg, "safe as" and no dood with a badge telling me how or what I can have on my bike.
I didn't enter, didn't enter anyone to ride any of my bikes and I don't think I ever will, imagine driving from melbourne to Qld to get told , No you cant ride because tou have "Such and Such" on that bike, when the mods to your bike would have no impact on your placing....Fark That!, and the entry numbers reflect that exact sentement!
The Vintage Nats will be dead within 2 years when Classic dirt and the like will thrive as it already does, why??
no bureaucracy, no Scuitinazi's, no one telling anyone what they can and can't have on their bikes, and no one telling any one what to do, we are all to old for that shit!
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just outa interest what were the numbers for tassie nats last year
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I think the need to pre-enter is still a factor in reducing entries in events.
The reason I say this is because I compare it to the system in the USA, where you either enter the day before or on the morning of the race itself. This applies to AHRMA nationals which are much bigger races that we have here, so the comparison is valid as far as I can tell. OK, so you don't necessarily have everyone listed in the program, but at the end of the day you get more competitiors.
The other comparison with the USA which is interesting is that they don't have Classic Dirt style events - they just have races and it seems to me that they are much better at attending National races for the fun of the event rather than getting too serious about side issues of elligability and ages of riders. Sure, they race seriously when they are on the track, but they just seem to have more of a party atmosphere off track than we do here in Oz. I don't know why that is, but the difference is very obvious to anyone that gets the opportunity to attend events in the USA and here.
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just outa interest what were the numbers for tassie nats last year
107 Entries with 214 bikes (according to my tallie)-not bad for a Island Adventure ;D
cheers
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There is some merrit in your post Darren and most people would go along with most points . But you tend to forget the poor club that is trying hard to put on the show with its hands tied by the silly MA rules. I personally prefere the CD anytime myself , but I will give it one more go this year , because of the great location and the efforts the Queenslanders put in. After that event its review time for me .
Exactly right Walter, why would the clubs bother when they put in the hard yards only to have to take shit from governing bodies that, from what I can remember wouldn't even recognise the movement 10 years ogo.. ???
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I'll sum it up for you all then... Bureaucracy, politics and Scruitinazi's.
With respect Darren, have you ever raced or even been to the Nats? I forking doubt it as your post shows a total ignorance of the actual way things operate. Like I've said in a previous post I've been to 15 out of 18 Nats, have been a "scrutinazi" and have rarely seen anything like you've described. What I have seen is a lot of riders having a lot of fun racing the best in their class. The scrutineering has had it's moments from time to time but what would you prefer, an open slather with no class restrictions? Like everything in life, we need set standards to operate under. You're a successful businessman and I'm certain your products are built to specific industry and governmental standards. It's the same in our sport, we need those standards to adhere to to make sure the system works for everyone.
I think you're basing your opinion on some paranoid and pedantic rule nit picking on this forum. Most of the rulebook pedancy has been fed by inquisitive newbys and cyber racers with nothing better to do than create hyperthetical rulebook situations that have SFA to do with the real world. The stuff on this forum has zero to do with what really happens.
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The Vintage Nats will be dead within 2 years when Classic dirt and the like will thrive as it already does, why??
no bureaucracy, no Scuitinazi's, no one telling anyone what they can and can't have on their bikes, and no one telling any one what to do, we are all to old for that shit!
Anarchy, that's what you want. Lets just let everybody do what they want with their bikes and see what results. Thats when the system falls apart. I think calling hard working voluteers like Dave Tanners and others Scrutinazis is insulting and uncalled for. You're so far off the reality of what the Nationals is about its almost laughable. None of the dumb footpeg or other points raised on this forum have ever been raised to my knowledge. In my 8 or 9 Nats I've only ever seen 1 or maybe 2 scrutineering decisions that I questioned. Scrutineering is and has always been a breeze, even with tough blokes like Drakie or Firko. If you went to the Nats you'd find your asumptions of Nazis hiding behind every tre to be silly.
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Here in Qld we often get more than 100 entries to a club day where you can ride all day in several classes for bugger all outlay. I think the high price of entry combined with short races spread over 3 days put off a lot of the Queenslanders that i spoke to.
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I'll sum it up for you all then... Bureaucracy, politics and Scruitinazi's.
With respect Darren, have you ever raced or even been to the Nats? I forking doubt it as your post shows a total ignorance of the actual way things operate. Like I've said in a previous post I've been to 15 out of 18 Nats, have been a "scrutinazi" and have rarely seen anything like you've described. What I have seen is a lot of riders having a lot of fun racing the best in their class. The scrutineering has had it's moments from time to time but what would you prefer, an open slather with no class restrictions? Like everything in life, we need set standards to operate under. You're a successful businessman and I'm certain your products are built to specific industry and governmental standards. It's the same in our sport, we need those standards to adhere to to make sure the system works for everyone.
I think you're basing your opinion on some paranoid and pedantic rule nit picking on this forum. Most of the rulebook pedancy has been fed by inquisitive newbys and cyber racers with nothing better to do than create hyperthetical rulebook situations that have SFA to do with the real world. The stuff on this forum has zero to do with what really happens.
Ok fair enough I may well be wrong and admit I have a real problem with club politics due to the shit that went down in my own club over the years which eventually caused it to fold. Basically why I just stay away from events completely.
Last thing I want is to see any vintage events demise, apologies if I offended anyone... and I certainly wasn't trying to offend you Mark.
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Tassie had 125 entries with 223 bikes.
I actually don't think it is so big an issue here as to what numbers are turning up by it would be interesting to see what percentage of people "racing" are racers or "older" guys out for a ride aka who prefers Nats to CD. Not asking for a poll or anything but there has been much discussion about whether NATS (and not pointing at this one) are set up for the few guys at the pointy end and dont worry about the rest that make it up - and out "movement" tends to maybe be the opposite. There has been lots of discussion about this. As to the chairs - there was also lots of discussion about it before Tassie and there ended up being none!
Rossco
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I'll sum it up for you all then... Bureaucracy, politics and Scruitinazi's.
I think you're basing your opinion on some paranoid and pedantic rule nit picking on this forum. Most of the rulebook pedancy has been fed by inquisitive newbys and cyber racers with nothing better to do than create hyperthetical rulebook situations that have SFA to do with the real world. The stuff on this forum has zero to do with what really happens.
You are probably right, I just shut up now.... ::)
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HI ,
Didn't anyone count the number of Pre 65 bikes at CD6 that tried out the track to be used at the Nationals ? quite a few used the the "Pre 70 track" , I only saw one pre65 bike on the "main" track,
I'll bet you cant guess who that was , here's a hint, it was a 650 Triumph Metisse and the his initials are M B.
I'm doing my bit.
I dont think the low numbers are about the Organisation , the Officials or the the Scutineers, but I know some aren't riding because of the" Modern" track. I will be.
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It would appear that the MA rules are responsible for the 1 race a day format and not the clubs decision the clubs appear to just be running the event to MA guide lines,this is something that needs to be reviewed by the relevant Sub Committee especially if it is hindering entries for this event and future National events,
There's a good chance the economic climate is having effect on riders decisions to enter and the fact that CD 6 at the same venue might have also impacted the entries some may have thought one or the other throw in a $150.00 entry fee and it is understandable why entries might be down,
There are quite a few variables,what needs consideration at Club and Sub committee level is we should get this format right for the future,it seems like the correct way would be to run the pre 75 stuff all on the first day while the track is in it's best condition then the later models should run the following days when the track has cut up a bit,it gives riders options to head off home after the class has finished and also riders can have that extra time for travel there and back especially if there coming from interstate,just some thoughts.
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Last thing I want is to see any vintage events demise, apologies if I offended anyone... and I certainly wasn't trying to offend you Mark.
No hard feelings at all Darren. I get extremely defensive when people throw stones at the event that I initiated back in 1992. Myself, Geoff Eldridge and Brian Clarke had to move mountains to convince MA that our sport was worthy of its own national championship. We were proved right and the event grew to the point that during the mid 90s it was the biggest motocross event period whether modern or vintage, in Australia. The Nats means a lot to me.
I can understand why you felt so strongly when there is so much negative discussion on the forum regarding this rule or that rule. Although I've often dived head first into the online " discussions" regarding the rules, sometimes I felt like shaking somebody when bullshit like the recent footpeg discussion keep going on and on for page after page. It does no good when outsiders see the pedantic crap that goes on, allowing the overtly misinformed to confuse everybody over what had never previously been a problem, the end result being that the rule remains the same as it has since our rulebook has been written. Because everyone was going of over what was a silly little thing, people like you that are new to the Nats format interpet from the discussion that the scrutineers are out to try and find a way to stop us from racing when in fact the opposite is the case.
Most of the pedancy and frivolous protesting I've seen over 20 years has been from racers protesting fellow racers, forcing the eligibility scrutineers to act on a situation they'd rather not have to. Some of those protests have been well supported because a rider had been caught blatatantly cheating but most are frivolous and petty pieces of rulebook waving that cause nothing but angst for all concerned. Thankfully however, these pedants can be counted on half of your hand leaving the other 99.9% of competitors to enjoy themselves without a hint of "rule nazi'' activity. I've scrutineered 4 Nationals and from memory have only excluded three bikes from competing in their entered class because of ilegalities. Ask Drakie, Tanner or any of the others National level scrutineers and I'm sure they'll they'll give you a similar figure.
Even though my VMX enjoyment is based around Classic Dirt these days, I'm adament that the Nationals remain the icon event it deserves to be. I reckon the Conondale Nats has the potential to be one of the best ever and would hope that we can get a few more starters. What about you for a start Darren?
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Wasp,
What I am saying is the option is there,of course there will be riders that spend the whole week end,but put it this way if a rider was having difficulty taking extra time off and this was a reason he did not enter then theres a good chance if he had another option he might not be lost to the event,
#8
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Wasp,
Oh yea there's probably no reason why you could not have a presentation at the end of each day for the winning riders?
#8
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The problem is , some are not allowed to enter , due to ASA politics
What kind of bullshit is this? Is it true? I was aware that there was some bad blood among the chair fraternity but being prevented from entering seems a bit Nazi to me. If it is true, you sidecar blokes need to hang your head in shame.
Thats was 100% the case for Tassie and documented and I know for a fact that people where disencouraged again this year also , with claiming to run their own "titles" instead.
But MA just sits there and let it happen.
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Hey in this case in was a condition of the organising club getting the nationals that Sidecars (had) to be included in all of the entry process.
I don't know why people have a problem with sidecars (I mean I would never ride on one or ride one myself) but I do like to watch them in action and hope to do so this year as well.
I like to also read Firko's posts as the bloke has seen it all and is one of the reasons why VMX is strong in Australia as he stands up for what he believes in and will still be around when a lot of us have moved on!! keep it coming Firko ;)
Shane
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Hi
what I would really like in my lifetime is World Peace , an end to World Poverty and Hunger , and for all you IDIOTS to move on and never mention CZ hubs rivetted or bolted sprockets ever again. ITS OVER,
MOVE ON.
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Was Walter getting a little close to home Michael? Very rude calling people idiots.
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Hi
just between you and me , and don't tell anyone else , my CZ rear hub wasn't made before 1965'
oh yes , upper case is yelling,
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and for all you IDIOTS to move on and never mention CZ hubs rivetted or bolted sprockets ever again. ITS OVER,
While you're in the chapel praying for world peace Michael, I'll be praying that the pedantic attitude that prompted the riveted sprocket and other silly protests is eradicated for good. As long as there are rule nazis waiving their MoMs and measuring stick making our sport look silly to outsiders, as Michael Jackson sang 'I'll be there' to out them.
Now, lets get away from all of the shouting and name calling and drum up some support for the Nats. ;)
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I dont think the low numbers are about the Organisation , the Officials or the the Scutineers, but I know some aren't riding because of the" Modern" track. I will be.
Well good upon you. ;)
For the pre 65s, pre 70s and pre 75s that have decided not to go to Conondale because of a perceived modern track, well it's their loss as far as I can tell. ::)
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As far as i know there are 6 sidecars coming 4qld bikes -1 with wa crew riding it,wasp from sa,+ a gs1000 powered wasp from vic
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I dont think the low numbers are about the Organisation , the Officials or the the Scutineers, but I know some aren't riding because of the" Modern" track. I will be.
So did you tell them how good it was or did you agree with them ???
Noel
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As far as i know there are 6 sidecars coming 4qld bikes -1 with wa crew riding it,wasp from sa,+ a gs1000 powered wasp from vic
Their not coming untill they enter.
Cheers
Noel
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Im taking a 166kg 1957 AJS with 2" of up and down movement loosely described as suspension, if it all holds together its going to be a fat time so stop your bitchin' and get on with racing.
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I would like to pose a question which probably relates to our movement as a whole rather than this issue for this Nats. I am also not the most eloquent and don't want to dribble but here goes.
Our pre 85 movement in WA tried to get under way riding with a modern club previously. The disappointment for me was that this "model" was no where near as enjoyable as riding for the VMX club - the social atmosphere, the support, tracks to suit, not racing for sheepstations etc etc etc as the meets at the Modern club "appeared" to be. Factor in also the longer races on rougher tracks with our still older bikes and I for one shied away. I would hazard a guess that a good 90% of the riders in the VMXWA club are out for a ride - always a few fast guys but A grade numbers are no where near the other grades. Is this what our whole Australia wide movement is like and therefore is a NATS event the wrong format for what we are after - (Firko not advocating that here just asking). IE are 90+% of our members more interested in a ride than racing for trophies as lets say happens in Moderns and therefore should we be looking at something less serious? Similarly some people (and everyone is entitled to their opinion ;D) have said the 3 lap races on a highway is not motocross - true comment but what do the majority want. Again I am not advocating highway style tracks but are we missing a point - and that includes me - should I even be looking at the NATS as a ride or looking at something like CD? And how many other people are thinking the same thing but have decided not to ride as it is more "serious".
I look back and worry that this still hasn't conveyed what I want but I hope you get the idea - do old farts want a NATS?
Rossco
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Nice one Rossco, i can see where you are coming from. As you know there are no trophies, no points, no championships in the west just enjoyment. but all clubs are run differently and as long as they are successful format doesn't matter. It's the enjoyment of the members is the main concern for clubs.
With the NATS every club has trophy hunters and VMXWA has it's own. but most of it's members are attending the NATS, for the camaraderie and the fun. It's a long way for 20 odd riders to travel just to attend, but they wouldn't have it any other way. the number of guys that have asked me to attend this year was amazing, as i have problems, just completing 3 laps. Maybe CD is getting bigger than the NATS, but its not the NATS.
As you state the pre85 (See thread in Discussion page) movement here has not succeeded yet, but new tilt at a club as a seperate entity is taking place and is being extremely well support and hope to bridge the gap between the highly successful VMXWA and modern bike clubs.
Me I'm all for NATS and CD and if I can't make one next year I'll make the other, probably with you in tow!!lol
Barry
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and Barry that is what I was getting at - 20 odd riders going for the fun - is that the NATS? Or am I just being half glass empty and maybe we can accommodate both trophy hunters and party animals ;D?
Rossco
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Don't think you ever been half empty, half full maybe. Maybe it's just our warped WA sense of humour
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I would say the majority prefer a CD style event or racing with no points or trophies as Qvmx and some other clubs do. Having said that i think there is a place for both in our sport with the Nationals giving the more serious guys a chance to show their speed against competition from all over the country but i believe the Nationals should be more challenging than a club day with longer races. Both events are great and maybe we should look at not having them both in the same state in the same year so that they both survive.
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I have skipped a few of the replies as there is an issue as to why people are not coming.
Now is it possible that the laps are more for evo and pre85 so that people can get more value for money i.e more track time. The other issue is being there for one race a day for three days. Bit of an issue if you only have one bike.
Can the program be changed?
Practice and pre 65, pre 70 and even some of pre 75 on friday?
Rest of pre 75, pre 78 and maybe an evo event if time permits?
Rest of evo and pre85 on sunday?
I personally would have preferred it this way, but not bitching here, trying to entice more riders. I think that if i had a pre85 and could race on the sunday only, that is alot more appealing.
I do feel that 9 laps for $150 and one race a day for three days are real reasons why people have not entered.
More importantly, can these things be changed so late?
Also what came of the committee meeting regarding the extra laps ?
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for interstate competitor ,it must come down to money especialy cd6 then the nat close together thing are tight all round.
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I couldn'd imagine too many people from Vic (or Southern NSW) making the two trips in the matter of a few weeks. How many people would have that much job flexability (or money) to do it?
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Win or lose; pointy end of the stick or just there to make up the numbers doesn't matter, this is ..... Your Number 1 event and should be attended.
It's no good saying "I wished I'd been there because it looked and sounded like alot of fun" after the fact, or knowing what you know now... "I could've got a podium in that class"
....and how many of you will say or think it?
If there are problems such as time away from work, then they need addressing in such ways as race format(as Number 8 ) has already said.
Recession-?? How long have you known about the 'Nats'?
Scrutineering? You all know you need safe bikes and if you choose to cheat, then just who are you cheating... Follow VMXers, just how good does that feel??
This is suppose to be the sport/lifestyle you have choosen..... Prove it and Enter
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The reason i heard for not entering the national was" that there will be some very fast riders " So what, enter it for the memorys. None of us are getting any younger.If the numbers are down i might even get a place on an the old trail bike!! How good would that be.I do find it hard to believe that the QLD numbers are down,as it is one of the best venue i have been too.Come on QVMX members get your entry in.
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Its my first nats,, i to was a bit surprised with the 3 laps but thats way it is so get on with the good
stuff, may need to pratice our race starts for 3 laps 8) Ive just had 22 team kiwi Tshirts made up for
the nats so i cant wait for the vibe at the nats , GO HARD OR GO HOME i reckon ;D
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coffs harbour and tassie were 3 laps
no one complained about that :o
as for 3 laps at conondale this could still be changed
and a modern track i dont think so the boys have
done a lot of work making it friendly for all
disiplines
some of the classes are just short of numbers to be a
championship class
so we need more entries
i can tell you the track will be primo better than cd6
and if you do not go you will regret it
not every day you get to ride in an australian championship
who cares what place you come
soak in the atmosphere and watch some racing
guaranteed to be close 8)
there will be some great riders there
a lot of past champions as well
see you there ;)
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Rusty were Coffs Harbour and Tassie over 3 days or 2? The last Nats i did was over 2 days and 4 or 5 laps.. can't remember exactly.
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Coffs was three days and three laps
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Three laps is good ,
Shouldn't get lapped hopefully ;D
Noel
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my entry went in late but i'm in for 2 classes and will have a 3rd bike there with someone else on it.
it's my first National event and although i'm not too excited about the 3 lap bizo, it's an event i've been working towards for a long time. the biggest pisser for me would be a dnf.
but even thats better than a dns.
heres one bloke thats looking forward to it without the bull.
i'll see all the "good" folk there :)
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Brad, 3 laps it will be as the track length will make it around a 7 and a half minute race, if you do the numbers on 10 minutes plus a lap it would work out at around 9 hours per round based on the number of events that "could be" run.
The Sunshine Coast club have designed a "maximum" length track (around 2 and a half minutes) so I would think it will be good value (good value as in good track)
Remember everyone this is a national event and not a club day the cost of putting on an event this size is quite large and a lot of infrastructure and costs are required.
On the point of the nationals, you are going to see the best riders in Australia that ride vintage and post vintage so it is an event just not a ride day. I for one am looking forward to watching as much as I will be racing.
The event is set to be a great weekend and we still have at least 170 rides and 375 bikes and growing which makes for excellent fields and some great racing and that is what an Australian championship is all about don't you think?
Shane
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Quote from: firko on July 07, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
What happened to all of the sidecars that were at CD6? Very disapointing.
Quote from Wasp :My entry is in . The problem is , some are not allowed to enter , due to ASA politics Wink just wundering when MA is going to do something about that . Where is your entry VMX 247? Wink
:D :D.. I love how you edit your posts Wasp---The entry is in.(it was sent in May)Got a text message from Nats Race Sec on the phone--Thanks to Robin from Shoreline MC for the loan :-*
MB Racing Promoter Alison ;)
Bring on more Pre 65 entries or they will be chasing there own shadows. :P
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Im sure it will be a great event and im looking forward to it :) I am very fortunate to have a lot of support from mates over there who are making it possible for me to ride these Nats :) thanks fellas :)
Thanks to the sunshine club and all the event Sponsors for making the event happen.
I would prefer Brads format though as one three lap race per day per class doesn't do it for me . I would prefer 15 or 20 minute races but i suppose thats not possible with so many classes .
I can understand but dont agree with holding open entries for another ten days why did the rest of us silly Bastards enter on time ???
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I've been asked to do some announcing at the Conondale Nats and to make my job a tad easier and to help the spectators get to know a bit about you, I'd love it if you guys (and gals) who are racing could write up a little bio about yourselves and PM it to me over the next couple of weeks or print something up and give it to me at Conondale.
Some of the info I'd like would be:::::
* Your Racing history including any championships, big events or special achievments in motocross. greatest rival etc.
* Something about your off track activities...Job, family, nickname, other sports, gaol time served (optional ;D)
*A little about your bike(s). make/model, Modifications, previous history etc.
I reckon that by passing on a bit of information about you to the spectators it contributes to the 'entertainment factor' of the event and adds a more professional overall vibe. It also fills those 'awkward' periods between races and helps to drum up interest in the race. Thanks for the help (in advance) ;)
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TM Bill can see your points.
Events with so many classes will always have problems and issues with "down time" (waiting).
On the entry point, official entries closed on the 1st of July but entries were still able to be taken, we have just desided to wave the late fee at this point in time thats all. Note also that to help people in some classes that at this point in time do not have enough entries to run the class, it was this or send back entries to those people without at least trying to drum up numbers and that is helping the guys that pre-entered wouldn't you think?? and it seems to be working for (at least) the sidecars from the posts I am reading.
Get that Brad to make a couple more of his bikes available for you mate, he still has that 480 and 500 that no one is riding (I think)
Shane
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Shane this will be my 3rd event at Connondale in a year :) it is i believe the best VMX track iv'e ridden anywhere and i cant wait :)
Iv'e entered 5 classes riding Mine , Brads , Basils and Dodgees bikes , Brads offered me a Pre 86 bike to but i think 5 will be enough :)
Counting down the sleeps and trying to get a bit of pre event riding in over here
Anyone sitting on the fence reading this get your entry in NOW
the club will put on a fanastic event and in my opinion the track is very friendly to all eras .
Dont make excuses just do it ;) If a broken arse Towie from NZ can make it ( with a lot of help from some good mates ) im sure some more of you blokes can .
I dont believe in regret but im still pissed with myself for not getting to Tassie last year ::) If you miss out you will be sorry down the track ;)
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Yeah mate you have the commitment to the cause alright and a Conondale nut to boot!!
Re the practice riding I must say, after looking at the shots you post on the net of that lovely country side you ride on over there makes me a bit envious.
See you in less than 30 days
Shane
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Just sitting & reading through all the coments & 1 thing came up a few times was about CD & nats at the same place only a few weeks apart. Anouther thing was do you want to race or ride. Just an idea I had was for the future. Why not combine CD with Nats say over 4 days or somthing. What do you think Firko. Just an idea. Now I will sit back & wait for the finger waving & crap to be thrown at me for what I think COULD work. NOT saying it would work but it might.
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It's a fair idea BA but the big problem is time allocation. Presuming you chose Conondale for your CD-Nats a week apart experiment it'd be little worry for southern Queenslanders but to expect those from the southern states to give up 2 weeks of their time along with the expences involved is a big ask.
MA in a fit of cashing in is going to do that exact thing next year with the Honda Bonanza to be held at Broadford over Easter followed a week later by the Nats at the same venue. It'll be interesting to see just how many interstaters opt to stay over after the Bonanza. Short of taking annual leave it becomes an expensive operation.....not to mention being away from family for a fortnight or even harder, dragging them along. Times are tough right now and most vintage racers are working men with very little spare cash to attend these events. I doubt your (and MAs)plan would work purely for financial reasons.
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Not over 2 weeks just over say 4 days.Easter would be perfect like it use to be when I raced the Nats. Chances of getting easter again are non I know. But say CD demos Friday Nats & CD displays Sat, Sun & Monday. Maybe even combine the CD rides among the racing period. I havent been to CD. So I dont know the formate. But if they could be combined in some way they would feed of each outher.
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You'd never fit it into a CD weekend. It's too full on. CD and the Nats have nothing in common other than the age of the bikes being used.
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I'm having trouble coming to grips with the concept that a number of prominant Queensland racers (and others) aren't racing at the Nats because they don't like the three lap, one race per day format. With an average of 7 1/2 minutes per race I reckon that's plenty on such a cool track. It's been 3 laps for the last few Nats to my memory so if it's OK for a bloke like Geoff Ballard who's more comfortable with being in the saddle for 6 days to race a 3 lap screamer in a number of classes and the 20 West Aussies travelling clear accross Australia to compete I reckon the blokes who have used the format as an excuse not to race are soft cocks and not the dedicated vintage racers they think they are. They're letting down the QVMX, The Sunshine Coast club, their fellow racers and most of all the sport as a whole by being big sooks.
I just don't get it.
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Thanks for clearing that up Shane. I knew it wouldn't be as easy as i suggested but had to ask. I was always there no matter what. I am looking forward to it.
Cheers,
Trophy Hunter!
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I've been following this thread with interest over the last couple of days and I'm stunned, though not surprised, at what I'm reading. There will be over 200 entries come race day, that's fine I reckon. You'll notice that there are a lot of Victorians coming up for the Nats though very few (11) were at CD 6. It's obvious that most people who had to travel a long way decided to pick one or the other, not both. CD6 was a blast, the Nats will be equally as good only quite different. It is what it is so what say we stop complaining and just get on with it.
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Hope it is going to be a great weekend,as i have just had the rear wheel rebuilt on the DR,with 3 broken spokes after my success'ful attempt at clearing drunks hill at cd6!! Russell if you see that Harvey bloke,tell him,Tony said he wants a refund!! 28 years for spokes is not good enough.Cheers,
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Hi All,
Cant wait not long now there is 5 or 6 riders coming up from Tassie, me included looking forward to catching up with a few old mates I have meet over the years and having a few drinks. I hope the track is as good as I have heard and the pictures you guys have posted.
Would be great If the race sec or someone from the club could confirm my entry and racing details are ok,so as I can make my final preperations
Also Our club offered to sponsor a race, class or trophy ,firstly I contacted the race sec by email and I also the Vic President of the club but I didnt get any reply. Our club held the nats in Tassie last year and know how much sponsorship helps. The offer still stands if someone can contact me soon. Our club has sponsored a race every year for the last 3 nats and would like to continue.my email address is [email protected]
Cheers
Fatboy
Shane Fraser
President
Launceston Motocross and Scramble Club.
(formerly Tas Scramble Club)
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There seem to have been several murmurings of discontent about Rachael's willingness to return attempted communications, perhaps a spot of delegation may help : Australia's BLOODY big, and many of those wishing to travel from afar need plenty of info/updates/assistance/reassurance, and now is not the time to have lines of communication go quiet....not a criticism, merely an observation...thoughts and support are all positive your way, from all corners of our big brown land, all the best for the nats, and to all fence-sitters, particularly QLD residents, PLEASE get off your clackers and enter for Conondale !! ;)
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Hi GD66, I believe that final instructions are to go out within the next week or so and I will do a post on the forum when this happens, so if you don't receive them you can PM me. I have nothing to do with the commitee but I am lending a hand to them as they are all a bit knee deep in it at this point in time formulating the format (race order) and doing finals.
FBR, I have sent you an email re the sponsoring of classes and contact me back when you can.
I am working through the club president so as to give him a bit more time to organise as we also have a club event next weekend that they are trying to have in place at short notice because of a couple of cancelled meets due to weather we have had in the past months.
Shane
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Hey Shane, looks like you've baffled them with facts, they've gone quiet!!
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No mate all the boy's have just realised that they have lees than 4 weeks to get ready and the WA boys less than three!!
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hi all i am with fatboy not heard a thing back since sent entry in still do not know what numbers to put on bike or have been accepted .bike to be loaded ready to go in 18 days for long trip north from tassie .i have every thing booked and paid for hope i have not wasted my money cheers
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hi all i am with fatboy not heard a thing back since sent entry in still do not know what numbers to put on bike or have been accepted .bike to be loaded ready to go in 18 days for long trip north from tassie .i have every thing booked and paid for hope i have not wasted my money cheers
I entered online and had confirmation of events and riding number at least a month ago.
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I am very excited about racing at the Nationals this year, it has been a long time for me, l am not fit, but don`t care, just what to be their and sock up the atmosphere, l will be racing my CZ which will be good, the bike is a ripper, an excellent orignial classic bike it is for sale if any body wish to purchase a very good clean race bike I am replacing it for a new project which has been purchased from the States. any inquiries contact me.
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Hey Brad,
I have been trying to find that info on the Nominate site,How do you get it or what section do you go to,
#8
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You wont find it there. I was emailed by Rachael Hern Who is the race secretary. I would say that i had the confirmation before things got hectic as i entered early.
[email protected]
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me to -I entered as soon as and I think I had my confirmation 5-6 weeks ago now.''est try and call I think.
cheers
Rossco
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hi all i am with fatboy not heard a thing back since sent entry in still do not know what numbers to put on bike or have been accepted .bike to be loaded ready to go in 18 days for long trip north from tassie .i have every thing booked and paid for hope i have not wasted my money cheers
As I said on page 9 final's (final instructions) are to be going out (from what I was told) this week.
I will get an update and post, also will try and post update of class by class number.
Shane
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I received a text from Rachael to say entry accepted a couple of weeks ago. I spoke to her today and entered another class and she said next week we should receive final instuctions.
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Here's some pic's of the nats track prep. Thanks to Shadforth civil for the grader.
A bobcat will be out there this week to give it a final polish.
Cheers
Noel
This is the veiw you will get as you blast over the hill.
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/025.jpg?t=1247479246)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/025.jpg?t=1247479627)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/009.jpg?t=1247479767)
It's not steep, not in the photo anyway.
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/001.jpg?t=1247479848)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/010.jpg?t=1247480116)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/013.jpg?t=1247480221)
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Will we be coming back over drunks on the return Noel? ( great job on the track btw)
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Brad
Yep
Since CD i haven't given it a thought.
Cheers
Noel
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The track's lookin great Noel.. can't wait!
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Wonderful wonderful track.... 8)
Can spectators walk the whole perimeter of the track ???
cheers
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Can spectators walk the whole perimeter of the track
Most of it, there are also tunnels to the inside of the track where the main spectator area is.
Cheers
Noel
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Spectators jump has been filled in a bit more so it can be rolled but still fun to jump.
Cheers
Noel
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/027-1.jpg?t=1247485634)
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Track is looking fantastic. I feel arm pump up already!! 3 cheers to Noel.
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I think the tractor will beat the grader.
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Damm thats looking good 8) are we going up the hill at the back end of the track :)
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Whill that black cow be spectating or flagging ?
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freaky, at CD6 that area was packed with tents and old bikes
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are we going up the hill at the back end of the track
Nope, as it is the track is around 3min a lap.
Whill that black cow be spectating or flagging ?
Cows flagging, now that would solve some problem's
I'll ask em They'll probably say anything but scrutineer ;D
Cheers
Noel
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There is a Camping form on the qvmx site http://www.qvmx.com/html/2009_vmx_nats.html If you wish to camp or just let us know the pit area u need this form is a must, Otherwise you will have to choose from whats left.
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How much for the massage? I like that idea. ( I decided to keep it clean!)
Also about two others are staying in the one camp site. Is it per person or site?
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Start line & closed pit
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/050308a010.jpg?t=1247564498)
Start gate
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Who would park here :)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/050308a008.jpg?t=1247564838)
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:-[ ::)
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some one with a long tent peg ???
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some one with a long tent peg ???
nope!
the tent peg incident was about 100m directly behind the startline. ;D
not too sure if this question has been asked already, but do we have a race order yet?
just so we know if we have 2 races back to back.
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Did we get enough entries to have a seperate pre-70 250class? Or will it be 'all in' again this year?
I think the tractor will beat Nathan.
Fixed.
Looking foward to it.
The YZ is 99.9% ready, and is in the best shape its ever been in.
The DT1, on the other hand, has been over a thousand kilometres away since CD6, and will need two new tyres, a muffler and a fork leg before racing. And I'll probably need to reclaim my pipe off Vandy's RT1... :D Just the thing to get the pre-race nerves up and firing...
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no need to reclaim your pipe Nathan as it has never left your bike.
my RT1 now sports the latest in Flat Biscuit design.
a very stylishly sweet pipe, handcrafted from the finest 44 gallon drum that tucks in nicely under the seat whilst still keeping in the theme of the pre~70 Bassini~esk look. :)
i washed your bike but you'll need to do your aircleaner ;D
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...handcrafted from the finest 44 gallon drum....
:D Mine used to be an old Brownbuilt shelf.
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Well guys entries are now at around 200 and final instructions should be going out as early as Friday.
classes and race order are being compiled as we speak.
Shane
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Well guys entries are now at around 200 and final instructions should be going out as early as Friday.
classes and race order are being compiled as we speak.
Shane
That's fantastic news -200- :P any chance of letting us know how many sidecars are on that list.
cheers
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4? yes thats correct official received entries of 4!!
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see...
i knew them sidecar guys were funny..... ;D
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4? yes thats correct official received entries of 4!!
thanks -no comment on 4 entries.. :(
see...
i knew them sidecar guys were funny..... ;D
its that funny it brings tears ;) >:( :D ;D :o
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all jokes aside, it is a bit of a shame theres only 4 entries as the sidecar thing is steadlily building momentum here in QLD and i think most of us thought there'd be more than that.
i spent a day hangin off the side of one of them things earlier this year. it was a heap of fun and the folk that do it have my full respect.
4?
i wonder who gets to go home empty handed?
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The Tassie event was boycoted and bullied last year too . Its about time MA put a stop to it. As a fact people here in SA where told by the ASA to support only the ASA "titles" . Allison , you are member of this lovely group . Do know more about it ? I have entered and been confirmed, all flights are booked and paid . And the bikes have left by road already .
Wasp you truly know that this is not the only reason the entries are low.This has been discussed on other topics for the solos also ie:(CD6). People have lives other than National VMX and of course personal choices. 8)
In saying that it would be interesting to see how many enter the future Victorian Nationals.That, I feel will be a large part of an answer to the political side of sidecars in Aust.This is not the place to start on about the not so good history of Aust Sidecars...
Steven & I have made an effort to get our side moving and still are, if we can get another unit and I can persuade others we might have one more. ::)
A percentage of WA riders do sidecars and solo. :P
I hopefully believe we are all trying to encourage the entry amount of sidecars
cheers
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This is bad, >:( I know but how late can we get another sidecar entry in STW996 ???
cheers
hey vandy010, do you want to spend another day at it ;D ?
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Well not sure as the race order is now set and all the final instructions are going out tomorrow so they would have to contact Rachel (the race secretary) ASAP as it would be her call.
I am of the belief that the sidecars (all 4 off them) are included on the current program
Shane
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Who are these ASA people and what kind of bullshit is it when they think they can boycott an MA meeting? I find it all very hard to believe. Living in NSW where sidecar motocross barely ever existed I'm not familiar with the machinations of 3 wheeler politics but I do know is that this low entry list a pretty piss poor indication of the dedication of that group. There had to be 10 outfits at CD6 so where are those outfits when we need them? Are they staying at home because some clown from an association nobody outside of the movement has heard of has told them not to race? What a team of soft cock wimps!
If I was running the Nats I wouldn't have sidecars on the program (no disrespect Walter and Alison). What a bunch of hooey this is.
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Just got off the phone to Qld ,looks to be 5 at this stage..they won't be in the programme,but I sure that's of miner detail. 8)
we do need six to officially run though.
cheers
STW996 did the pre 60 and pre 65 class get a full grid ;D ? thanks
wasp quote:What actually should be done , is to run the event with whatever entries we have , to show the ASA , that MA can do it .
well written
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From what i've heard pre 60 and pre 65 numbers are down and they're combining some classes to make up the numbers.
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Wasp you truly know that this is not the only reason the entries are low.This has been discussed on other topics for the solos also ie:(CD6). People have lives other than National VMX and of course personal choices. 8)
In saying that it would be interesting to see how many enter the future Victorian Nationals.That, I feel will be a large part of an answer to the political side of sidecars in Aust.This is not the place to start on about the not so good history of Aust Sidecars...
Steven & I have made an effort to get our side moving and still are, if we can get another unit and I can persuade others we might have one more. ::)
A percentage of WA riders do sidecars and solo. :P
I hopefully believe we are all trying to encourage the entry amount of sidecars
cheers
VMX 247 , we are talking here about why the chairs are not coming . That can well be said publicly and should finally be dealt with by MA .And should not just be swept under the carpet as usual. You are a proud member of that ASA crowd , so if you are interested so much in sidecars , then reve up your ASA mates.
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Wasp you crack me up, any chance you get to try and blame ASa for sidecar issues you blame them, and shoot alison and Co there enthusiasm
What boycott ? it was long way to drag a chair as is this trip, they just cant be stuffed for a plastic trophy, anyhow you said you boycotted it yourself cause MA wouldnt guarentee your wishes against certain other people attending, formats etc. never turned up in TAssie.
We have 8 guys with chairs in DT here ATM and there both MA and ASA riders and they arent going for any other reason than the time off work and cost to make that road trip.
Which is strange cause some of those same guy's mysterously turn on your CMSR® website as being part of a so called CMSR® Classic Motocross Sidecar Teams, so if you put it like that then Blame your own so called CMSR® Classic Motocross Sidecar Team members for not attending. Which in itself is hillarious when your blatently misrepresents those ridders integrety by trying to pretend they are somehow aligned with your own register, even some like Mick Dowling who wouldn piss on you and others like steve. w, & murray who hasnt steered for years and his son darren who is ASA anyway, even old andy's up there as CMSR® Classic Motocross Sidecar Team somehow seeminlgy all right in the thick of the Classic sidecars team accourding to your web page.
I thought you had gotten over all this , but it seems you still like to pull out that old annorak out the cupboard and wave it about. How about you clean up your act first and sort that pageout set some kind of example, rather than banging away on poor alison and all those other sidecars guys who are trying to keep the sport up and the politcis out, its so old news, so can you move on, and spend a bit more time perhaps getting YOUR actual side car mates to these event ..........
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hey vandy010, do you want to spend another day at it ;D ?
thanks for the offer Alison but i'll decline.
there are a few "keen" swingers up this way from what i've heard, so a last minute passenger/rider shouldn't be too hard to figure.
Simon Broad could be a bloke to chase if it's a must do situation.
he's local and will be racing solo's.
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Total number of pre 65 bikes is 19
pre 60 all powers 4
pre 65 solo 250 8
pre 65 open 7
I will (when I get time post details of class numbers)
Shane
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Total number of pre 65 bikes is 19
pre 60 all powers 4
pre 65 solo 250 8
pre 65 open 7
I will (when I get time post details of class numbers)
Shane
Not too bad-better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick ;) ;D
hey vandy010, do you want to spend another day at it ;D ?
thanks for the offer Alison but i'll decline.
there are a few "keen" swingers up this way from what i've heard, so a last minute passenger/rider shouldn't be too hard to figure.
Simon Broad could be a bloke to chase if it's a must do situation.
he's local and will be racing solo's.
I reckon we will get a few at the last minute-they can to be like senior modern solo guys-just rock up, she'll be right mate .. ;D......also depends if the wonderful officials are having a good hair day ;) ;D
cheers yours in filling the grid Alison
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What boycott ? it was long way to drag a chair as is this trip, , anyhow you said you boycotted it yourself cause MA wouldnt guarentee your wishes against certain other people attending, formats etc. never turned up in TAssie.
I don't give a fig about boycotts, ASA, CMSR (whatever the hell that is) or whatever. Ever since day one of the Nationals back in 1992 the sidecar types have bleated to anyone who'd listen that they want to be included on the program and with the exception of WA or SA where people actually still like sidecars, they've showed their thanks for being included in the program by not showing up. You can bet on it every time.
If it's alright for everyone else to travel all over the country to race at what is our sports holy grail, the Nats, it shouldn't be a problem for the sidecar blokes. Don't use the "sidecars take a lot of room on the trailer" excuse as one bloke told me. They're the ones who chose that facet of the sport and they should be geard up for travel
they just cant be stuffed for a plastic trophy
this is an insult to everyone who goes to the effort to travel to race. Why should sidecar prima donnas be any different to someone with a solo? I don't know who's right or who's wrong within sidecar politics but suspect that everybody is acting in a way detrimental to the cause of sidecar racing.
Like I said earlier, if I was running the Nats sidecars would be off the program. It's time all of these factions got their shit into one bowl because it won't be very long before nobody takes them seriously any more. Don't believe me? Talk to anyone who's run a championship vintage meeting in recent years and ask what they think of the sidecar fraternity.
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Hey dont put us all in the same boat,dont care about politics,just want to ride.at the start of last year we had 2 sidecars running in QLD now have 5 + another being built,+ 1 more from central QLD (cant do titles work commitments)+another from gladstone cant ride heart probs.distance doesnt worry us ,went to proserpine last year-14hr drive straight thru.3 of our bikes went to sidecar spectacular in vic(an asaevent)
have bike will travel. so ride it and if you have nothing good to say dont say it
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As per usual DR Freak , knows everything, knows everyone, get your facts right or buttout.
Facts speak for themselves walter - its your page it speaks for itself, defend it or change it. http://www.yss-australia.com/SIDECAR/sidecar_news_index.html
There are enough side car guys running here and they seem to be doing whatever they are doing quite happily, they are obvioulsy speaking with there feet, ( or should that be chair) and alas again i have to agree with firko,( this is getting all to regular from my likeing), if you cant get the numbers well its like every other class logic is they dont want a class and it should be dropped.
If in all of australia where there must be a over 50 classic chairs with 4 only the start is, as well as firko says embarrasing at the least.
Morgan MCC has a real big sidecar fraternity, llike hundred or so and Locally we have AT EACH ROUND THIS YEAR the likes of long, williamson, clothier even neville Lush still pushes his Kwaka triple around in the State Dt series, these guys are state and aussie champs. IF they wanted to go they would have, so either they cant be stuffed or there is another reason, maybe you need to ask them whats missing in VMX nats for them to not take up the offer.
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from this side of the country to that side of the country,,,,,
Thanks so much for today's effort everyone, in getting the six on the line for a start on 7th,8th and 9th of August.
keep the chairs rollin :-*
cheers
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Gawd. They get six of 'em at nearly every VCM meeting :P
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Gawd. They get six of 'em at nearly every VCM meeting :P
That was exactly the point , Ross ;)
Thanks Freaky.....glad I'm not pissed or they would ban me :P
there are those that talk the talk and those that walk the walk...
cheers
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Thanks Freaky.....glad I'm not pissed or they would ban me :P
Nah. I've tried. It's nearly impossible (unless you 'reckon you've got an unused '81 Maico under your bed) ;)
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I think it is about time that the sidechair riders in Australia stand up and be counted because this is your Australian Championships as well and we need the bikes to make it a class so the ones who are coming can stand up to the ASA and say I have a Australian Championship because as of next year there will be no stand alone Classic Sidecar Australian Championships they will only be included with the Classic Motocross Championships . So get off your asses and contact the club and lets see how many sidecars we can get to QLD this year.
Fatboy
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I think it is about time that the sidechair riders in Australia stand up and be counted because this is your Australian Championships as well and we need the bikes to make it a class so the ones who are coming can stand up to the ASA and say I have a Australian Championship because as of next year there will be no stand alone Classic Sidecar Australian Championships they will only be included with the Classic Motocross Championships . So get off your asses and contact the club and lets see how many sidecars we can get to QLD this year.
Fatboy
Like you would Know? get a life!
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GOOD TO SEE SIX SIDE CARS AT THE NATS GAME ON ;) AFTER WATCHING THESE GUYS AT CD6 THEY ARE ONE OFF BREEDS ,GO HARD WASP 8)
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you'll have to get someone to buy up all the spinach before "popeye" gets his hands on it! :D
6 chairs! i'll be watchin with a big grin..... :)
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16 more sleeps :o
then 4 weeks off........ whooooopppeeeee ;D
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Ahh , before I forget , VMX are you still going to do the OZVMX collection tin ? Maybe a little card with info about the website would be good . Then youwill get foreign donations and more members perhaps . ;)
Yep its all go-let you know definite Thursday 23rd.
You are welcome to do up the little cards if you wish-may bring over load onto the site though ;) ;D
cheers
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Thanks to Rachael for doing a right dandy job :-*
Seven outfits for the Nats :-*
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We should all line up and cheer as the sidecars go out on the track. I've watched them in awe and admiration at the Whitsunday Classic, and still can't believe how brave but insane they are. They're usually the most watched event on the programme, and it's great there will be enough to compete for their own National title.
Good on ya, guys!
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Will it be compulsory to have our race numbers on the back of our jerseys at the Nationals?
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if I remember rightly it is a requirement of the club supp regs - so yes you do.
cheers
Rossco
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Has anyone seen or found or received info on classes, race order etc for the Nats? I understood this was expected to be released around the 17th of this month.
Mike
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Thanks for that Rossco.
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G'day, I've read on the qvmx website that all 4 strokes must have a silencer , does a reverse cone mega phone count as a silencer ? or does that mean about 50 bsa, triumph and honda's can't race !
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does a reverse cone mega phone count as a silencer ?
Does it do anything to reduce noise? If not ???
or does that mean about 50 bsa, triumph and honda's can't race !
I'll ask the people that live around Green Park if they care.
I'll see what i can find out.
Cheers
Noel
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Can someone from the organising comittee contact me as to whether I'm still in the announcers booth for the Nats? I haven't heard a word from anyone for yonks and need to know what's needed from me. I was dealing with Trev but just discovered he's not onboard the forum any making it "a bit hard' PM him.
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Just under a week to go, NO reply on entry , Race number not confirmed . Maybe it's been cancelled due to lack of entries ???
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i got an email confirming my race number,but thats all.If it not on i be there Stew!Cheers
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All the finals have now been sent (I have been told) and every one should have by Thursday.
That has race order and alike is on it.
All competitors competing class by class will be posted on QVMX website in the next day.
Firko I will PM you and you can email me what you require.
Shane
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Hi Shane,
I was told final instructions would be to us by monday 27th and on the website same day hope they make it by weekend most of our guys down here will be on the boat then . I think they may have left them a bit late
also Our club hasnt heard about our sponsorship could you please check to see that the club has received our cheque ok we sent it a couple of weeks ago
cheers
Fatboy
Shane
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FBR, Yes mate cheque received many thanks
The finals, due to the extended entry date are or have been running late but have been assured they are on their way.
Check out www.qvmx.com for the full list of who you are racing against and class numbers and combined classes, it also confirms racing numbers.
Shane
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Hi all just got this Email back today. So they will be posted next week, I am Leaving this Sunday ??????.
Hi Henry
Yes there are finals etc to be sent. I am just waiting on an approval from MA which I expect to have tomorrow. I will then be able to publish the documents and send them out. I am crossing fingers that these will be posted tomorrow.
Cheers
Rachael Hern
Race Secretary
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I.......sorta.......wish I'd gone now :-\. Bum :'(. Anyway. We'll be rootin' for ya Henry (and the rest of the Vic boys) Yay!! ;D
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Thanks Ross, that Geoff Ballard will be a tough one, but I give my best shot, New CDI and new piston and rings, hope the old CZ wont let me down angain. HL
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OK here it goes
does a reverse cone mega phone count as a silencer ?
In a word NO.
Please at least do something to your pipe before you get there. Stainless mesh maybe.
I was told final instructions would be to us by monday 27th
Sorry, but the lateness of the final instructions was out of our control.
Cheers
Noel
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Sorry boy's a bit of conflicting info being given at the moment.
I was at a nationals meeting on Tuesday and was told they had been approved and all were on the way but Rachael is the one in the know.
STOP PRESS
I have had a further update from Trevor that has been just passed on to me re the final instructions. Rachael is busy working on having them posted out today, she has been at the mercy of MA to have this final instructions and classes approved. That process has now been completed and MA has made changes to the classes that will affect some of the entrants.
We will post a revised list of events on the QVMX website (later today) www.qvmx.com
Note, we have had issues with this only because of the requirements of MA and not the organising clubs so please keep that in mind when making posts. Rachael has had to go far beyond what she should have to do to make all this happen and for that she needs to receive our thanks.
With this now (hopefully) behind us lets all look forward to a top event. The weather up his is prime at this point in time so lets hope it holds out for what should be a most memorable event!!
Shane
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Has anyone mounted a transponder on their armour? I am riding too many to keep taking it off and putting it on another. I want to put it on my shoulder pad.
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Brad
I will have to check, but I think you get one per bike.
Shane may know.
Cheers
Noel
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I think it will look silly with 15 transponders on your armour B'Rad, but then again you need to be handicaped with a weight penalty :D
from what I have heard, each bike will have it's own!
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Oh okay. I heard different. That will be easy if i get one per bike.
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it states on your sup regs 1transponder per rider .The more bikes you have the more brackets you get.You can transfer them in about 5 seconds.
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It has been confirmed via phone that each bike will have its own transponder. With 6 bikes it would still be a chore, especially with back to back races in the mix .
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Pit crew and mates will help ;D
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Why do I keep hearing murmurs about needing to qualify?
It seems that there's class* with more than 40 riders, so it seems like a waste of time to me?
*Remembering that we'd need more than 40 blokes of the same age, on bikes of the same era and same capacity.
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There was talk that they may have to back at the start but as you say, not enough entries to do so. Mainly due to the fact that we would get a full grid at say the Conondale Classic of pre 85 opens , they were expecting even more riders to a national, therefore maybe qualifying.
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Cool - that's what I figured. Maybe those rumours will die now!
In other news - only four of us on 250cc pre-70s (with another three if there was a class)?
Shit. I better get my RT1 up and happening, sooner rather than later.
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Nathan, A couple of classes need to qualify as they have greater than 40 entries, you can check your classes on the qvmx website.
Brad yes each bike (not rider) has a transponder.
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As I read the race order on Qvmx site it would appear that pre 75 classes have all in races as well as age group races hence the qualifing
Is this correct ?
If the race order is as published i get 3 lots of 4 back to back races ;D i asked for longer races and now i got them with short pit stops :D
It will be early nights for the pit crew ;) they will be busier than me ;D
Great to see so many entries counting down the sleeps :)
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does any one know how big the start gates are (how many) and are tear offs aloud cheers george
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Brad,better not loose 6 transponers at $600 each!!!
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does any one know how big the start gates are (how many) and are tear offs aloud cheers george
I would say the start gates have 40, the usual amount.
Personally we don't use tearoffs anymore as they don't get digested in the livestock guts too well. ;D
The clubs may do a pick up after the event though. Noel ?
cheers
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In other news - only four of us on 250cc pre-70s (with another three if there was a class)?
Wow...What happened? 250 pre 70 used to be a really popular class. There's another class we need to spark up again, it shouldn't be hard if you consider the number of bikes that qualify.
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Just got all the pit passes and all the info in post.Thanks Rachael,it must be a big job sorting it all out.Cheers
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Just got all the pit passes and all the info in post.Thanks Rachael,it must be a big job sorting it all out.Cheers
Good stuff, you must live next door ;)
Don't expect ours to arrive before we go(Australia Post not in a hurry these days),so may have to sweet talk the gate person ;) ;D
cheers
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Yes thanks go to Rachel...the position of race sec is something of considerable time and effort.....just looked at the race format..I have a race then one race in between then a race and then one race in between then another arce...so 3 races in the space of 5 events...lucky I have been training at the bar!! :)
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It has been confirmed via phone that each bike will have its own transponder. With 6 bikes it would still be a chore, especially with back to back races in the mix .
BRad....IF i have back to back races here i normally zip tyed it to the face guard, that way its forward and i know i have it on the right bike.
Lately they have done the whole BS about diffone per bike which i think is just a money grabintg excersise by MASA to prop up the timer contractors, last meet we had no rider on 2 or more bikes, its killed off the all powers classes as the guys now just turn up with a 250 and ride all the events, not a smart idea by MASA
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In other news - only four of us on 250cc pre-70s (with another three if there was a class)?
Wow...What happened? 250 pre 70 used to be a really popular class. There's another class we need to spark up again, it shouldn't be hard if you consider the number of bikes that qualify.
Spew....... im still building that DT up firko, wish i knew that i might have been convinced to make the drive, 4 guys you have half a chance at some plastic.
NExt time count me in.
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Actually i retract that statement, i just looked and i see at least 8 riders in the 250 class and with the likes of boag etc, its no walk in the park, except for that Senoirs guy he is a berm rail ;D
Actually that list shows the sport PRe 75 is very very strong, look at the number of riders in the pre 75 stuff its chockers !!! and the Age group from 40 + is like 90% of the feild. really says a lot about the numbers out there its healthy and they are in the 40+ age group.... thats great to see :)
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Actually i retract that statement, i just looked and i see at least 8 riders in the 250 class and with the likes of boag etc, its no walk in the park, except for that Senoirs guy he is a berm rail
Yeah, he's my Spanish cousin - that branch of the family is real slow.
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hehehe
Taco to his mates........
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How do you usually mount the transponders? Does the bracket ziptie on your front number plate, so drill a hole in advance? Never seen one.
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You just ziptie it to the top of the fork behind your front number board, I supose the purists will now say its not vintage ;D. Cheers John.
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depends on the brand, the good ones have cradles and you zip the cradle to the forks then just click in the tx into each one as you use it. the Revolution ones suck and you have to mount the body to somthing. Go them onto your helmet ....
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Yes thanks go to Rachel...the position of race sec is something of considerable time and effort.....just looked at the race format..I have a race then one race in between then a race and then one race in between then another arce...so 3 races in the space of 5 events...lucky I have been training at the bar!! :)
Mate i got a race then a race then a race then a race then a break then a race the bars here dont stay open late enough to train for that ;D
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Did you include the ride as a sidecar passenger ? I think you fergot about that , Bill ;) :D
and they have made up 22 shirts for the Kiwis ,must be for TM Bill one for each ride.
Now thats pro ;) ;D
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Did you include the ride as a sidecar passenger ? I think you fergot about that , Bill ;) :D
Walter if you think im up to it i will be happy to step in :) i bottled it at CD6 but iv'e been on a diet of viagra & cement so i could harden up :)
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does any one know how big the start gates are (how many) and are tear offs aloud cheers george
40 Start gates. Tear offs are allowed >:( >:( They should be banned.
Cheers
Noel
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Right now, I'm feeling particularly dumb for not getting a pre-75 bike organised... :(
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Right now, I'm feeling particularly dumb for not getting a pre-75 bike organised... :(
never mind as there is always next year ,as I don't see the Evo and pre 90 coming on too strong at this point in time ;) ;D :-X
cheers
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Shane, Noel, Rachel et all - I am in the same boat as Allison and maybe so are a few of the other west aussies with the final info and passes etc having not turned up before we leave.
Is there anyone we can contact when we get up there?
cheers
Rossco
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Rossco the gate keeper needs refreshments ;) ;D
Quote:from secretary Rachael:
It’s already been posted today. I will be emailing all the info as well though shortly. If you don’t receive your passes etc before you leave, just let me know and I’ll organise some more for on the gate.
cheers
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thanks Allison - just arrived from Africa tonight and nothing in mail box.
cheers
Rossco
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RVC, if you do not have by the time you leave send me a PM and I will make sure your name is on a register at the gate.
Same for any other West Aussies, SA and Tassie runners, Rachael will now who you are and I will liaise with her on this.
Shane
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RVC, if you do not have by the time you leave send me a PM and I will make sure your name is on a register at the gate.
Same for any other West Aussies, SA and Tassie runners, Rachael will now who you are and I will liaise with her on this.
Shane
And Kiwis ;D ;D
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In pre 75 there are age races and a straight pre 75 race. Is the straight pre 75 a consolation race? Which is the title event?
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EVO.... already part of the show :)
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They're both official title events Brad. Age champion and overall championship.
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Map study arvo day today. ;D
Is the best exit off the Bruce Highway north at Beerburrum (weirdly appropriate name) ;D ???
cheers west Oz
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Thanks Firko. Even more rides than i thought ::)
If you are driving north, from memory its the Landsborough exit. Its the same exit as Australia Zoo as you have to go past it to get to Conondale.
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Bruce north to glass house mtns turn off ,pass the Zoo left at landsborough,signed to Maleny,Through Maleny signed kenilworth.It about 16 ks passed Maleny.Cheers and safe trip.
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g'day, how stricked do you think they'll be with this silencer on 4 strokes thing ( very un vintage ) I tried to put a quieter exhaust on my honda which is highly modified and it would'nt hardly run
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Thanks Firko. Even more rides than i thought ::)
Its the same exit as Australia Zoo as you have to go past it to get to Conondale.
Unless your names DJ ;D ;D ;D ;D
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weather for Maleny..
fog then sunny sunday
Fog then sunny fog then sunny monday
Fog then sunny mostly sunny tuesday
Mostly sunny mostly sunny wed
Mostly sunny mostly sunny thur
Mostly sunny mostly sunny 7th fri 25 degree :P
Mostly sunny mostly sunny 8th sat
Mostly sun 9th sun
the sky will not fall ;) ;D
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Thanks Firko. Even more rides than i thought ::)
Its the same exit as Australia Zoo as you have to go past it to get to Conondale.
Unless your names DJ ;D ;D ;D ;D
And if you look to your right you can see the croc's, 'crikey, isnt he a beaut, just look at him go, faster than a TM with a Bill on it.'
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RVC, if you do not have by the time you leave send me a PM and I will make sure your name is on a register at the gate.
Same for any other West Aussies, SA and Tassie runners, Rachael will now who you are and I will liaise with her on this.
Shane
And Kiwis ;D ;D
Always for you TM old mate
Shane
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I've noticed the pre75 250s will practice & qualify on Friday, but don't actually get a race until Saturday, when they have 2 races (r14 & r38). The pre75 age races will run 1 race each day, though.
So for 2 classes, I get 1 race on Friday, 3 races on Saturday, and 2 on Sunday.
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Thats cool,
I've got three bikes,
and I don't race at all Friday , but I'll be a busy boy on Saturday ;D
can't wait for it
Cheers
Noel
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More time for photos, and catching up with current & new mates.
Mike
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Just a bit of info- I believe that the scrutineering area has been divided into eras. 8)
Easier job for the wonderful volunteers. :)
Well we are off to the big smoke(Perth) then airport ...catch up soon.
cheers
modify:Received our pass's, admin, paper work -gonna be a big three days. :P bye
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got my passes in the mail :)
just need a few more hours of shed time and i'm good!
look out for #789 and my brother will be on one of my bikes #630
woo~hoo! :)
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I hope to meet a few guys over the weekend. Travel safely!
Mike Maico number 400.
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Yer Vandy and Mike ditto, I am heading off tomorrow morn and treating it like a holiday with some likeminded souls- can't wait. A couple of Zooks with #17- someone beat me to the #27
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Boy's going up to peg out the last of the track today (early start) and do a spot of watering.
Will post some info on my return.
To all out there that are about to start your trip (and those on it) a safe and happy trip and safe arrival to all, with the weather we are having you are not going to be disapointed ;D
Shane
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Hey Shane. Do you know if there will be catering on thursday night?
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I'm leaving for the Nats along with Husky Pete and Ribbo in an hour or so. I'm looking forward to meeting up with everyone but not looking forward to the journey as I tweaked my back yesterday while lifting one of my bikes onto the workstand and it's bloody painfull....hardly any sleep last night. Bummer. Cross your fingers the pain'll be gone before I get to Conondale.
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Suzuki no.27 is the legendary Geoff Udy from up this way and is a big number to fill. I hope Geoff is along as he is a man with FUN on his mind and FAST on his bike.
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Hey Shane. Do you know if there will be catering on thursday night?
Not that I kown of Brad but will ask Trev and get back to you.
Brad, confirming no food available today on site
Shane
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Report from Connondale 10.30 am.
Morning practice almost complete.
qualifying rounds next.
Track is reported to be fantastic and fast.
Track is predicted to get quicker as it chops up a little and the lines though the corners develop.
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Report from Connondale 10.30 am.
Morning practice almost complete.
qualifying rounds next.
Track is reported to be fantastic and fast.
Track is predicted to get quicker as it chops up a little and the lines though the corners develop.
Great , got any lap times - they got the transponders, right?
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They have transponders
I should have an update late this afternoon
I beleive the qualifying positions will be posted at the track.
I will post up info. as i receive it.
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They have transponders
I should have an update late this afternoon
I beleive the qualifying positions will be posted at the track.
I will post up info. as i receive it.
Cool Banana's
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Transponders should be baned at VMX. Not in the era.
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Yeh , sure mate
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Transponders should be baned at VMX. Not in the era.
So should modern riding gear and silencers on pre 70 bikes. Riiiiiggghhttt.
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Small update after today's heats
Early days with plenty more racing to go
Evo open Dean Burt running ist on RM 400 , Geoff ballard running 2nd 490 maico , Burties in our camp. Ribbo is running 13th 500 Husky
Pre 78 open , Van Barello ist on 400 maico , Bill Nolan 2nd on YZ 400 , Mark Bowgett 3rd on 390 Husky
Pre- 75 open over 60's 2nd Kevin Brown. Husky
Pre- 70 250 over 60's Ist Kevin Brown. Husky
One guess for the pre-85 open (CR-500) anyone
The boys will have the current update in the morning (left at the track tonite) and hopefully i can give a better more concise overview.
General concensous is that the track is fast , getting faster and bloody fantastic
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Browny and Ribbo are also in our camp.
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THAT WOULD BE THE 400 MAICO BRAD GOT FROM ME ;D ::) ;D
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just got home brad won the first three and carvell got two
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Yes Brad and Cavell doing well. Dean burt and Belly very quick. Be good to see them in same race. Track held up pretty well. Little dusty late in day, But plenty water on after racing so maybe a little slippery early today but should be looking good mid morning. I will be heading out again this arvo (handbrake on today) to water some more I guess and get ready for another good day tomorrow.
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Thanks for the updates fellas, its killin me being stuck in mexico. Have a good weekend, keep the updates coming!
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great update, how are the West Aussies doing
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Yes Brad and Cavell doing well. Dean burt and Belly very quick. Be good to see them in same race. Track held up pretty well. Little dusty late in day, But plenty water on after racing so maybe a little slippery early today but should be looking good mid morning. I will be heading out again this arvo (handbrake on today) to water some more I guess and get ready for another good day tomorrow.
Dean burt and Belly very quick. Be good to see them in same race.TOUCHY SUBECT!
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Yes Brad and Cavell doing well. Dean burt and Belly very quick. Be good to see them in same race. Track held up pretty well. Little dusty late in day, But plenty water on after racing so maybe a little slippery early today but should be looking good mid morning. I will be heading out again this arvo (handbrake on today) to water some more I guess and get ready for another good day tomorrow.
Dean burt and Belly very quick. Be good to see them in same race.TOUCHY SUBECT!
Why's that?
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I just got a call and by the sounds of it, Dean Burt is untouchable... :-\
From what i gather The Vics are not at the pointy end this year in evo.
I cant wait to see video or photos of Glen Bell and his bike.
Hope everyone is havin a blast up there..
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I just got home from Conondale, Brads V B's on top again, he won all but one today which was a second, so I think his points score is looking very healthy.
Dean Burt is hot on that RM400.. he'll be very hard to beat. I compared him with Glen Bell in his races, Burt'y has better lines and looks very impressive, the 400 it set up to perfection. My money's on Burt.
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Don't ask how the West Aussies are going because they are about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool. The general consensus is that the punters wish they would just piss off and leave the real vintage guys alone without their pathetic bullshit that they continually carry on with.
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SPJ, What's happened to bring this about?
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Come on guys, we must have some final results soon. Any local Queenslanders jus getting home with some news?
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Evo open Dean Burt on RM 400 (Go Deano) Good job Dean
Pre- 75 open over 60's Ist Kevin Brown. Husky (Australian Champion) Good job Browny
Pre- 70 250 over 60's Kevin Brown. 2nd place (Husky) Go Browny
Pre-75 open 40 - 49 years ( Ribbo ) 3rd place (Husky) Good job Ribbo
Ribbo's result in Evo open to be advised
One guess for the pre-85 open (CR-500) anyone
Great result for the Husky team. Great result for VMX
General concensous bloody fantastic meeting , run by a first class club
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no results here excepting I know Brent Musgrove (Darwin) YZ250 ran a very close 2nd in the pre'78 250cc only to be beaten by the slightest margins by John Kittle RM250. Onya Muz!! ;D congrats to all the other winners and runners up also.
(http://puheoq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p9eqnutPgBKaKMyLzBUEL9EH9T6N2lSt8uKOzWLS2LYeE7zixqW2xZPvTK12zvBL7bpeGn8f3chdks6KBFyJ93FqefD5BnLAv/Aust%20vintage%20titles%2009%20connondale%20004.jpg)
Our Fearless Leader!
More pics here but quality is lacking sorry ::)
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DAMN! :(
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anyone hear how the guy form WA is , he made the channel seven news tonight with his chopper ride
best wishes for his recovery.
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QUESTION ?ARE THESE FRONT BRAKES LEGAL IS THAT A LATER MODEL CALIPER AND DISKS
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/ozmaico/Aust20vintage20titles200920connonda.jpg)
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hmmm i wonder if the eligibilty scrutineers jumped on that one or if there was no issue with it? I dont think there is an advantage according to the shape of the disc, it just doesnt look period.
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IM SURE YOU WOULNT GO TO THE TROUBLE OF PUTTING THEM ON IF THEY DID WORK BETTER WOULD YOU ;)
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I HEARD THEAT THE DEADLY RACE DAY LOSER PROTESTED ABOUT SOME PROFORMANCE ENHANCEING TOP TRIPPLE CLAMP. MAN THAT CLAMP MUST OFF BEEN FAST AT LEAST 50 KLICKS
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Looks good to me.
The forks are Simmons UDX and the caliper is about correct for a 84 CR500. (Normally they would be black)
I'd be asking where the sprocket cover is. ;)
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how did brad go and tm bill and john tate???any up dates
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Don't ask how the West Aussies are going because they are about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool. The general consensus is that the punters wish they would just piss off and leave the real vintage guys alone without their pathetic bullshit that they continually carry on with.
Really? Have you met them?
I observed them all and met several during my time at the track; a fine bunch of people just as passionate as the rest of us - perhaps more passionate than some given their committment to travel here and then on to Proserpine for another race.
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I'm with wombat on this one.Had the opportunity to meet several WA guys who were knowledgable and passionate about the sport.Also they were more than willing to help with track setup when I was there.Nicely turned out bikes too!All in All a great meet.Thanks to QVMX and SCMCC for all their work.
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To right guy's
The WA people are a great bunch.
They travelled the width of Australia to be there , "now thats commitment to the vintage movement".
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I wasn't there but I got a problem with making rash generalizations like that.Maybe one WA guy ticked you off,that doesn't mean all the WA guys and girls are the same.
Congratulations to everyone from WA (NZ and everywhere else too) who made the trip.
I hope it was a memorable event for everyone.
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lets not dwell too much on the negatives guys.
from the moment i arrived on site to the moment i left, the Nationals in my mind was all/even more than i could ever of hoped for.
i rode pre~75 and pre~70 and loved the track, jumps, bumps, hills and all! and found everyone super friendly and helpfull even if they sing like crap at midnight...
bikes ranged from the best of the best to some wonderfull old dungers that used zip~ties instead of fencing wire 8) {now thats inovation}.
caught up with a few forum folk even if it was brief.
the sidecars are a must watch! well done Walter.
and i hope the guys that rode that chair over the berm after that first downhill are ok.
yep! i saw that one 8).
had my share of mechanical issues and shared the ups and downs of my fellow riders.
if i can't make it to Vicco to ride i'll be aiming to go as a spectator as these events are just too good to miss.
the only suggestion i've got would be for the CZ girls to be available at trophy presentation :)
is that too much to ask?
oh! and i really am sorry for not helping to roll up the hoses Trev :D
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I heard that someone from WA was hurt, does anyone have any news about him yet...
To right guy's
The WA people are a great bunch.
They travelled the width of Australia to be there , "now thats commitment to the vintage movement".
When we went over to WA for the Nats they were really nice, I didn't meet a lot this time, but those that I did, were great people, my only dissappointment with them, was that I didn't run into Alison ;D ;D
Congratulations to everyone who came home with trophies, and to QVMX and SCMC
All of the piccies are now up on the web, but have not been edited.
Keep Smiling :)
Jackie Mac
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anyone hear how the guy form WA is , he made the channel seven news tonight with his chopper ride
best wishes for his recovery.
Bill got the bird out of the track due to the road ambulances being busy with road accident..So quicker with the chopper(pretty specy chopper) Bruised lung and cracked ribs- will drop in and see him thursday in Brissy hospital.
just a MAGIC MAGIC three days.Wonderful to put faces to names 8)
Antother three weeks in this magic country of Queenslnad-loven it. :-*
sorry to have missed you jackiemac-lots of chick with cameras ;D.
Time for another latte ...::)
cheers S&A via coffee shop Maleny Qld
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anyone hear how the guy form WA is , he made the channel seven news tonight with his chopper ride
best wishes for his recovery.
Bill got the bird out of the track due to the road ambulances being busy with road accident..So quicker with the chopper(pretty specy chopper) Bruised lung and cracked ribs- will drop in and see him thursday in Brissy hospital.
Spoke to paul bill's got broken ribs etc, sore and sorry but will be ok. His wife flew over today, so he'll be controlled!!lol Wonder if his maico's for sale!!lol
Have fun Steve and Alison
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I HEARD THEAT THE DEADLY RACE DAY LOSER PROTESTED ABOUT SOME PROFORMANCE ENHANCEING TOP TRIPPLE CLAMP. MAN THAT CLAMP MUST OFF BEEN FAST AT LEAST 50 KLICKS
Careful commenting unless you know the full story.:) It did not affect me, but the bikes that were DQ'd weren't right - and it wast just about triples.
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Frst up I would like to thank the Qvmx & SCMC for making this event possible, and all the volunteers that made this event a reality.
Alison, Steve and Co. great to be your nieghbour over the weekend and enjoy a laugh together ( Bob man can you snore )
Bill - John - Harry - Brad - Bryan - Wayne - Brian thanks for the hospitality ..... unreal
And to all the others that I meet and put faces to ;D
Thanks for a great weekend :) :)
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Careful commenting unless you know the full story.:) It did not affect me, but the bikes that were DQ'd weren't right - and it wast just about triples.
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im sure those involved can clear it up when they get home
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I just got a call and by the sounds of it, Dean Burt is untouchable... :-\
From what i gather The Vics are not at the pointy end this year in evo.
I cant wait to see video or photos of Glen Bell and his bike.
Hope everyone is havin a blast up there..
There was only 0.2 sec between belly and burt lap times on sat. With Belly getting the nod there. Sunday was another great day with local Tam paul unlucky to miss out on one of the 125 classes after seizing his bike while leading and winning the other two races. He also picked up a second place on saturday on the CR500 behind Belly.
Another local Brett Thompson AKA the Fruit punted the XR500 into top 5 finishes.
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QUESTION ?ARE THESE FRONT BRAKES LEGAL IS THAT A LATER MODEL CALIPER AND DISKS
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/ozmaico/Aust20vintage20titles200920connonda.jpg)
Theres not much left here from the old CR500 that I wheeled out of the garage a bit over a year ago. :o
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What made Belly's laptimes impressive was the fact that his CR500 was stuck in 2nd gear for the whole race. An overnight gearbox change fixed the problem.
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does Bell own this bike or did he loan it?
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The bike Belly rode belongs to Geoff Holmes.
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does Bell own this bike or did he loan it?
Geoff bought it from some maniac down Mexico way.
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There was only 0.2 sec between belly and burt lap times on sat. With Belly getting the nod there. (quote)
That makes Burties effort even more fantastic considering he was riding an RM-400.
Imagine if they had equipment that was remotley comparable. (meaning capacity and suspension set ups)
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well what about a straight answer is that honda legal
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Good to hear your boy's ok, we thought he musta been real crook to take the chook outta there.
I tell you what though, it was great of Steve to crash the Wasp just to get a mention on the forum, Yep he's fine I hear, just some bruises and a black eye- he rode well since it was nothing like he rides at home and his passenger was a bit greenish.
Like I said before, the WA team helped make the event along with al other comers and I for 1 can't wait until Broadford.
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the forks and triples are legal
caliper and mount legal
wave disc a bit suss but not a performance enhancement
rest of the bike spot on
seen it in the flesh :o
and it doesnt need a sprocket cover
as it is the required distance to the swingarm ;)
glen bell and dean burt
would keep the modern pros honest around that track
no problemo ;)
i am not a real honda man but i liked glens bike :P
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Where can we find the full results list?
Cheers,
K
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Orion Timing has the results.
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I dont know the rules very well but surely upside down forks aren't legal on a pre 85 bike? I would like to know as i thought it was thrashed out with Bahnsys' kx on his thread.
Please explain??
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Simons were available aftermarket in '84, but pretty rare. Brad Lackey won the world title with them in '82 but whether or not they should be allowed in pre '85 is debatable.
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I dont know the rules very well but surely upside down forks aren't legal on a pre 85 bike? I would like to know as i thought it was thrashed out with Bahnsys' kx on his thread.
Please explain??
It seems odd, but by the sounds of it, i think as it was available back in the day, its probably legal.
I remember being warned before Tassie that a guy with the initials P.L Was going to be looking for bikes without sprocket covers and to make sure all bikes had them or you would be knocked back ::) It was no hassel, but funny that sherlock holmes would be onto us about a bloody sprocket cover of all things :D
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sure simons upside down forks were availiable in
1983 in australia
they were imported by trevor floods shop
gassit motorcycles
you could buy them as forks and triples
or on a new bike
like a special order
ray vandenberg used them briefly
so they were availiable pre85
hard to find now and if you do they are about $4000 buckos ;D
bahnsys forks are of a 85 model so not legal even if they are the same
fork with a caliper mount, only white power forks legal
are drum brake usd ones cheers rusty ;D
thanks for the ride on the mini bike brad ;D ;D ;D
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Glen Bell was racing the Australian Mx nationals at Wonthaggi a couple of years ago on a crf450.. he still had it to run with some of the big boys..
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thanks for the ride on the mini bike brad Grin Grin Grin
My pleasure mate,glad i could help. Thanks for clearing that up.
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What about the pissed Jonny Cash concert Sat night, for f@#$s sake. Gave me the shits but was a laugh later, roll em roll em roll em.
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Glen Bell was racing the Australian Mx nationals at Wonthaggi a couple of years ago on a crf450.. he still had it to run with some of the big boys..
Geoff Holmes told me that Belly got 5th at a national a while back at age 45 years .I think it was Coolum, and he was catching them at the end.!
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http://www.orion-timing.com/ (http://www.orion-timing.com/)
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KTM had USD WP4054 in 84
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sure simons upside down forks were availiable in
1983 in australia
they were imported by trevor floods shop
gassit motorcycles
you could buy them as forks and triples
or on a new bike
like a special order
ray vandenberg used them briefly
so they were availiable pre85
hard to find now and if you do they are about $4000 buckos ;D
bahnsys forks are of a 85 model so not legal even if they are the same
fork with a caliper mount only white power forks legal
are drum brake usd ones cheers rusty ;D
I'm agreeing here with Holeshot , the Simons where available in the US and a bit later here, but well before 85.
The White Powers as an aftermarket fork where not. Floody would have also imported them but something went wrong there. Russel Lewis who was an appretice mech for Floody left and went to work for CARA motor cycles(Kees Alers Shop) sometime in 84 . At the beginning of 85 some White Power guys came over from Holland to CARA and gave USD forks and WP shock to Russell to test on his 85 cr250, which he did but they weren't for sale until later in the year.
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I must say something about the weekend. It will be one for my memory bank thats for sure. Had a phat time! Thanks to all the sponsors, qvmx people, Sunshine Coast mcc , Dodgee for helping me , John T for the sleeping arrangements etc and all individuals that contributed. I think i was smiling in my sleep!
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Glen Bell was racing the Australian Mx nationals at Wonthaggi a couple of years ago on a crf450.. he still had it to run with some of the big boys..
Geoff Holmes told me that Belly got 5th at a national a while back at age 45 years .I think it was Coolum, and he was catching them at the end.!
Yes i was there that day and Belly put a lot of the young pros to shame.
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Glen Bell was racing the Australian Mx nationals at Wonthaggi a couple of years ago on a crf450.. he still had it to run with some of the big boys..
Geoff Holmes told me that Belly got 5th at a national a while back at age 45 years .I think it was Coolum, and he was catching them at the end.!
Yes i was there that day and Belly put a lot of the young pros to shame.
Yer apparently Belly didn't have much praise for the current state of the competition in Australian Motocross
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WELL I GOT BACK TO VIC TONIGHT ABOUT 7.00 WHAT A GREAT EVENT TRACK WAS SO GOOD I/M STILL DREAMING ABOUT IT A BE THANKS TO ALL FOR THERE HARD WORK IN RUNNING A GREAT EVENT. A PITTY SOME WON FROM 5TH AND NOT EVEN CLOSE WOULD SOOK JUST TO GET A 2ND.ALL THE CREW FROM EMMCC WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CANTEEN GIRLS FOR THE STEAK BURGERS THEY BLUDDY GREAT. DREW
EVO 125?
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well what about a straight answer is that honda legal
This is a question that needs to be answered by an eligibility Scrutineer there have been a lot of comments that if an after market item was available in the Era/Year of the bike then it can be used is this open to interpretation or is it Rule book fact,Glen's bike obviously passed scutineering,as it was raced,It would be good to here from the Eligibility guys on there opinion and reasonings not just for this bike but any body that is considering adding Wave discs and 19" rear wheels to there's
I personally believe these are reasonable mods,Glens bike is beautifully prepaired and presented and of course ridden 110% by him,at a level that very few can compete with in this style of Racing no matter what mods are on his bike,
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wave disc a bit suss but not a performance enhancement ::)
so put the old one if its not performance enhancement :-\
any way im off to the hospital with my wife to have her operation wish us luck
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Good luck Mands. You'll be right. ;)
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theres no arguement that Belly is still lightning.
but wouldn't it be great to see him on a pre~75 125 ;D
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Yer apparently Belly didn't have much praise for the current state of the competition in Australian Motocross
Can't say I blame him - ya pays ya money, ya go to a meeting and there's about 4-5 guys at the front of the pack who are worth the admission - the rest ya want to throw off the bike and have a go ya self ::). And that's me; I can't imagine how Belly and others must think.
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As long as our collective arses point to the ground (i.e we're still standing) eligabilty will be an issue.
If you want a real bitch, ride a sidecar. Christ, the guy that won on sunday boasted 95hp in a motor that he says cost him $17k, we dynoed ours 2 weeks before the meet and came up with a massive 57 odd.
And when you look at some others and they're running 4 pot calipers et al it makes us wonder why we came.
Still the racing was fantastic and if we had 10 chairs to sell on sunday avo, thay would have all been sold, the crowd loved it and we put on a show,pity no-one came to watch really. The same event in Europe/UK would have had 50k spectators. I'm not sure if the sunshine coast knew it was on at all!!
Roll on Nth Qld titles and Qld titles.
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WELL I GOT BACK TO VIC TONIGHT.... A PITTY SOME WON FROM 5TH AND NOT EVEN CLOSE WOULD SOOK JUST TO GET A 2ND....
Open a can of worms time? Here goes...
I'm guessing the above quote is a reference to the protest on the final day.
When I left the track the results were 'provisional' pending the outcome of the protest, but if upheld it clearly shows the protested bikes were 'illegal'.
Seems to me a protest can be viewed as a 'sook', but in all fairness - and that's important at the Nats - an 'illegal' bike shouldn't approach the start gate.
So I'm wondering if an Eligibility Scrutineer on the first day would knock these issues on the head, or is an 'after the fact' protest a better way to go?
If the Scrurineer - the technical Guru - says "Sorry mate, you'll need to change this and this..." then the protester - a fellow rider/racer - isn't put in the unfortunate position of lodging a protest.
Sooooo, just wondering.....
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Just back from the Nats with a head full of great memories of some unbelievable racing and even nicer people. Being stuck in the announcers booth all weekend gave me the opportunity to see every race and with that in mind I've made a few observations.
* Glen Bell was great and despite me initially having reservations on the legality of some of the components I spoke to a bunch of folks who know such stuff better than I and I'm now convinced it's legal (although I reckon the bike could do without the wave disc rotor). Belly was his usual smooth self both on and off the track and his 'stuck in second gear' second moto win was a ripper. Bike owner Geoff Holmes and I have had a few disagreements throughout the years over his liberal use of the rulebook but I gladly admit that his bikes are something else as far as detail and quality.
* Dean Burt is the best thing to come along to VMX in years. His RM 400T Suzuki would have to have been the most meticulously prepared Evo bike at the meet and the fact that he owns and prepared the bike himself shows that he's here for the long haul. His riding was ubelievably smooth and rocket fast, the fact that his times were within a cooee of Belly who was on a far more modern and powerful bike says it all. He and his lovely wife Danielle really settled into the vintage groove in the combined Team Husky/ Klub Kevar pit. The happy vibe at the post race pissup gave a hint that there's a lot more to come from Burtys VMX involvement.
* While Burty and Belly recieved most of the accolades, the meeting really belonged to Brad van Barello. His 4 class wins were an amazing iron man display. It seemed that Drakie or I were calling his name in every second race! I don't know how he does it. He's a credit to the sport with seemingly no bias to any particular era with bikes ranging from pre 65 to pre 85. Good one 090!
* The West Aussies once again put in a great effort in getting over for the Nats. The very logistics involved in the effort would thwart most of us. A bit of political bullshit bunged on by one of their own prior to the event didn't help their image but after talking to a few of the WA contingent I think that they're at last over this clown and his annual display of pedancy as much as we are. The bloke didn't even come to the event but loaded his son up with a bunch of "issues" to confront the officials with. PL aside, the West Aussies were their usual competitive and enthusiastic group with some beautufully presented bikes. We could all learn from their enthusiasm.
* While pre 75, Evo and pre 85 are sailing pretty well and appear to be healthy, the pre 70, pre 75 4stroke, pre 65 and sidecar divisions had severe slumps in the entry numbers. The pre 65 and sidecars were especially woeful. It's all very well claiming 50 000 spectators would have lined the fence in Europe to see them but there would have been mayhem with those 50k angry punters wanting their money back for the substandard show. With the exception of John Cooper and Walter Preisig putting on a show for the crowd, the others were woeful. If the sidecars want to be taken seriously they'll have to pick up their act apreciably.
* It's the same with my own beloved pre 65 class. There were a number of notable omissions from the program and I've no doubt they all had good reasons not to be there but for the class to survive and for it to be taken seriously something has to be done. A wise old bloke told me over a beer on Saturday arvo "if the pre 65 class is going well and the Pre 85 class is doing well, everything in between should also be healthy". The pre 85 class is doing great so let's put some effort into getting the true traditional vintage class up and healthy again and everything in between can only benefit from having healthy "bookends".
*The standard of bike preparation was superb. The Bell and Burt bling bikes were the frontrunners of an entry of superbly prepared machinery. Thankfully the days of ratty old faded TM Suzukis, flat black DT1s and rusty old XLs is being replaced by bikes that have been restored to a presentable condition. Vintage racers are finally getting the message that the standards of bike presentation represents the standards of our sport. Rat bikes, as cool as some think they are, tend to send a negative message to the public. Interestingly, the really fast guys in nearly every class were aboard well presented bikes. That should tell us something.
I'm downloading the 800 odd photos I took over the weekend and will add more comment when I post the shots. I'm buggered from the trip and have come home to a bit of Casa del Firko houshold drama (thankfully nobody dead or maimed !) so it may be a little while before I get to upload the shots. Despite my above little criticisms, the Nats proved sport's in excellent condition and is manned by some of the nicest people I've ever met. Come on Broadford 2010.
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WELL I GOT BACK TO VIC TONIGHT.... A PITTY SOME WON FROM 5TH AND NOT EVEN CLOSE WOULD SOOK JUST TO GET A 2ND....
Open a can of worms time? Here goes...
I'm guessing the above quote is a reference to the protest on the final day.
When I left the track the results were 'provisional' pending the outcome of the protest, but if upheld it clearly shows the protested bikes were 'illegal'.
Seems to me a protest can be viewed as a 'sook', but in all fairness - and that's important at the Nats - an 'illegal' bike shouldn't approach the start gate.
So I'm wondering if an Eligibility Scrutineer on the first day would knock these issues on the head, or is an 'after the fact' protest a better way to go?
If the Scrurineer - the technical Guru - says "Sorry mate, you'll need to change this and this..." then the protester - a fellow rider/racer - isn't put in the unfortunate position of lodging a protest.
Sooooo, just wondering.....
From memory, when bike were sporting era suspicious item in Tassie and Canberra , Dave tanner who did eligibility told them " that item isnt right, it may not be performanceing enhancing but if you choose to continue racing with it during the meeting and someone protests it, it will be upheld. its now up to you if you want to risk it and compete. For warned is for-told.
This only becomes a problem for those looking at a top 3, and if your too stupid to risk a top 3 by running out of era gear then your a bit Doopy. Every one else who like me is mid pack understands they can be Disqualified but as they are making up the numbers we prefer just to be warned if its just not quite right so we can at least ride the event and keep the numbers up. Obviously if its a glaringITem then NO it shoulndt be getting to the gate, but other wise it should be OK to a point. Any one intenting taking home a little trophy HAS a duty to ensure there bike is 99% correct to the best of there knowledge or be in a postion to make changes to it before they compete to ensure they comply or understand if they dont make an effort they should expect a protest to be upheld.
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has any one got good photos of Dean Burts bike?
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"Dean Burt is the best thing to come along to VMX in years. His RM 400T Suzuki would have to have been the most meticulously prepared Evo bike at the meet and the fact that he owns and prepared the bike himself shows "
A bit of history about Burties RM400 - actually he wouldn't have needed to do much prep or resto to that bike .It's a genuine low hour bike that was imported form SOCAL in I think 2001.Bought from Vintage Iron.
Once the bike finally arrived here and was cleared it sat in its new owners shed for many years and was finally raced at a VIPER round at Wonthaggi a few years ago.Getting holeshot after holeshot.It then sat in the shed again until it was put on ebay , attracting not one bid.It was listed again and sold I think after auction to Burtie at about half of what it owed the owner.
It had worksperformance emulsion shocks , looks like burtie has put on some ohlins and moved the handle bars up and forward.
Wouldlike too see some close up shots also if anyone out there has some.
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"From memory, when bike were sporting era suspicious item in Tassie and Canberra , Dave tanner who did eligibility told them " that item isnt right, it may not be performanceing enhancing but if you choose to continue racing with it during the meeting and someone protests it, it will be upheld. its now up to you if you want to risk it and compete. For warned is for-told."
Sounds like a reasonable approach
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I've started another thread about the pre-78 125 thing, so this thread doesn't get too foulled up with less-than-positive discussion.
Anyway:
Frikken top weekend of racing.
Highlights are manys, lowlights are few - and they mostly involved pissed Willie Nelson wannabes keeping me (and half the other riders) awake at 1am on Sunday morning >:(. The ring-leader should expect retribution if he attends next year's Nats, doubly if he pulls the same stunt there... ;D And yes, we all know who you are!
My results were crap, but that's nobody's fault by my own! :D The best result was a 4th in one pre-70 250 race (and 5th overall after being dropped from =4th on countback), although that 4th place was the result of some other DNFs and was a loooonng way behind 3rd, so I have no delusions.
One of the funnier bits was travelling up with my long-time pre-78 125 sparring partner Noel - and then racing bar-to-bar with him in both of the pre-78 125 races that I finished (I DNF'd the middle race after getting caught up in a crash caused by one of those testosterone filled lunatic 50 year olds!:D ).
Its just great to be part of something 'big' like the Nationals, and I'm all fired up to go to Broadford next year! :)
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Doc,
Great set of photos. Especially loved photo 15. Thats the way I remember Suzukis on the track in the 70's. ;D
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Highlights are manys, lowlights are few - and they mostly involved pissed Willie Nelson wannabes keeping me (and half the other riders) awake at 1am on Sunday morning >:(. The ring-leader should expect retribution if he attends next year's Nats, doubly if he pulls the same stunt there... ;D And yes, we all know who you are!
[/quote] I thought it was Johnny Cash!!.
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The bike may have not needed much work, but Dean has spent countless hours setting up the bike, including the front and rear suspension, jetting and a certain A Gunter assisting with porting the barrel.
The thing it an absolute rocket.
He and his family as well as KB, Ribbo, and Shaun were guests for the whole weekend in the Engineered Environments/ KK Kompound (thanks Shoey) and it was a pleasure to see him in action, as well as the support team from the Gong.
Ribbo rode well and came in 3rd, and KB came in 1st, in the 263 and over 60’s+ and 2nd in the 250 over 60’s. Shaun had a bit of bad luck, but will be stronger for the next one.
Thanks to Ribbo and Firko for the entertaining trip ;D, and big thankyou to Bill and Kerrie for the bbq saturday night as well as Noel,Trevor and all the support crew who assisted running the event.
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A bit of history about Burties RM400 - actually he wouldn't have needed to do much prep or resto to that bike.
Maybe so but he did anyway. The bike was stripped to every last bolt and fully rebuilt, replacing everything that needed to be. The engine porting and mods were done by Anthony Gunter, the YZ Yamaha H forks were fitted with pd valves and meticulous experimentation went into spring rates and oil viscosity. The front wheel is a twin leader Yamaha, the Works shocks were replaced with YSS and later with rare Wilbur shocks. Dean spent countless hours jetting the bike to absolute perfection before he even considered the bike ready for racing.
I think it's a bit unfair to assume that Dean bought a ready to win bike. It might have been OK for the previous owner but wasn't up to it for Deans obviously high standards.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/IMG_8309.jpg)
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JEEEZZZUZ , AMAZING THAT HE WENT TO SUCH LENGTHS WHEN THE BIKE WAS ALREADY GOOD ,SAVE THE SHOCKS.THANKS FOR THE INFO :o
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Dean Burt a work in progress
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Styling pre 85
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Styling Pre65
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noel
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(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/IMG_8086.jpg)
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Would like too see some close up shots also if anyone out there has some.
yeah, got any shots of it in the pits/not moving?
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Veteran WA Husky fiend Brian Watson shows off his uuber cool Rat boardies to Husky Pete in Kamp Kevlar
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Some more pics here.
http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60690
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Apologies that most of my photos are taken from the announcers tower but that was my Nats home for 3 days.
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Some more pics here.
http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60690
There's some great pixies over there, pit shots, general track layout shots and action shots. Here are two of my favourites......
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Other memories from the event:
*During the 125 practice, I got a big shove from behind. WTF? This is practice, you lunatic! I looked back to see me travelling buddy Noel laying on the ground, looking sheepish... :D
*Same practice session, I got to watch Snowy test-crash his new Husky 125. He tells me that it crashes just like his Husky 250 - and I believe him because he's probably the world's foremost expert on the topic.
*Burt on the Evo 125 was very nearly as impressive as he was on the Evo open bike, but technical dramas killed off his hopes in the first race. Doubly impressive when you consider that it was the (equally) oldest bike in the race.
*Meeting, and catching up with a bunch of top people - including those "turds in a swimming pool" WAers. This is really what makes racing VMX so special.
*My dices with the bloke on the Bultaco and the bloke on the Maico in the pre-70 250 races. Sure we weren't setting the world on fire, but it was a bundle of fun.
*Dicing with Noel on the 125. We're about the same speed at Heaven events, so it makes sense that we'd be about the same speed at Conondale - but it still feels weird to travel so far to race against the same bloke... :D
Did I mention the words "top event" enough times yet?
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Top Weekend.A big thanks to all the sponsors,Pete Andrews for all his assistance,Shoey for the use of the
Husky CR500 and to Firko for the Entertainment.
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- including those "turds in a swimming pool" WAers.
Can someone explain the turds reference!! I know there might have been one but what the hells going on. No I wasn't there but seem a bit dismayed as the black Ducks that went over there were some of the nicest guys I know, and a good laugh. the only protest i have heard of that involved WA was the pre65's (and I know that one, Firko you know my thoughts on that)
Someone clarify please
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Several pages back, SunPrairieJimmy made a comment where he said something like "The WAers are making themselves as popular as a turd in a swimming pool with their carrying-on" - which was the complete opposite of what most of us found them to be like.
I spoke to several of them several times over the weekend (particularly Alison who seems to materialise out of thin air at times), and I never saw anything but smiling faces and good attitudes.
There was an issue brought up by some of the WA contingent, but I know too little about it to comment.
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Several pages back, SunPrairieJimmy made a comment where he said something like "The WAers are making themselves as popular as a turd in a swimming pool with their carrying-on" - which was the complete opposite of what most of us found them to be like.
I spoke to several of them several times over the weekend (particularly Alison who seems to materialise out of thin air at times), and I never saw anything but smiling faces and good attitudes.
There was an issue brought up by some of the WA contingent, but I know too little about it to comment.
Thanks Nathan, thought that might be the case. Yep Alison is a great character and a real VMX character, she can talk under water. Never fails to make me laugh. i wonder sometimes how Steve gets a word in
I know there was a protest put in about the pre 65 and that came from someone renowned for it and I distance myself from it as Firko knows
I've kept an I on the thread regarding the pre78, and I thought people were getting a bit too teste over it and well done for the way you held your head up mate
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Hi Tossa,
I'm a member of VMXWA and know the West Australian you refer to very well, in fact since I was about 4 years old!! I also know his Father, Mother and brothers, as well as his wife and kids. I know he has assisted me and many others with pipes, frames, welding and advice whenever needed. I know he also dedicated many years to help other folks make VMXWA a sound and viable club which thrives today. You have made several comments on this public forum regarding his so called influence at the nationals and then state in your last post that you want to distance yourself from it? You also say in your last post that he made a protest in pre 65, I think you will find that the protest was made by Dave Tanner as already stated in another thread, however like you I was not there and don't know the full details!!
My point is I get upset when somebody quite happily will name people and make reference to them on a public forum based on others oppinions and very limited knowledge about the efforts and good work that individual has done. I also get upset when I recall how when you showed up for one of your first VMXWA events that you were welcomed and included without prejudice or judgement. I would hope that you would show the same respect for other club members.
Just my oppinion.
Mike Gordon #45 VMXWA
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All comment taken on board Mike and if I have made a mistake then I apology here in the open if I am incorrect. No one doubts the work he has put into the VMX scene in WA and the club has become stronger for it
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Fair enough, see ya at Wandering.
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the Works shocks were replaced with YSS and later with rare Wilbur shocks
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I just got a call from Walter to add to the above statement regarding the shocks on Dean Burts Suzuki. The shocks were actually a hybrid Technoflex/Promax custom built for Dean by Walter. Sorry to confuse the issue.
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So Glen Bells bike is totally legal.
So does that mean that I can fit Simon upside down forks and disc front brakes to my Yamaha YZ490 K 1983 for the Pre 85 263 class ?
Cool I will start looking for the parts for next year, after all there is now a presedent set.
Ji
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precedent :o
Is a result of successful challenge.
A precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court or other judicial body utilizes when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.
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Sorry I am not quite sure.
Was or is the bike Glen rode class legal?
Was his bike checked for class approval.
If it is than we can all use said parts right.
Ji
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precedent :o
Is a result of successful challenge.
A precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court or other judicial body utilizes when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.
Well not that this forum is the jury but reading though the pre 78 protest its seems that the wave disc and protapers are good but rubber mounted handle bars and 3mm less offset in your triples are not'at least for pre 78
I'm getting a wave disc for my 84 as well.They are lighter,dissipate heat better and throw the crud off better .They also look great.My CR250 is gunna look the goods.
ps I'd get Simons too but my chances are so slim Im not even going to contemplate it
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You tell us.
It wasnt challenged , no case or protest was formed , therefore there was no outcome ,so no precedent was set.
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Hang on I thought all bikes from first to fourth were checked for class.
Ji
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mmmmm :o :o
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On Sunday all bikes from first to fourth were impounded for class checks were they not?
Ji
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Settle Pettal.
I wasn't there and I've only been back on the scene for a few months and love the passion.
Q - Were the bikes true to the rules?
A - Probably not.
Q - Was the "Protester" within his rights.
A - Yes.
This is getting personal and could alienate people wishing to enter in the future.
It's almost impossible for the scrutineers to know, every rule or every part available for every model of every bike.
As several people have suggested, it is up to the rider to ensure the bike he is riding is within the rules.
People have tried to stretch the rules since Hesus played fullback for Nazareth.
I think its time for a Bex & a lay down.
P.S.
It's all Firko's fault.
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Ji,
No All bikes were impounded for a time ,to allow for any protest to be lodged.
as set out in the gcr's and sup regs
Noel
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Hang on no one protested about Glen's bike.
I am not getting personnel.
I was in the Pre 85 263 class and on Sunday afternoon I shook Glen's hand and congratulated him on his efforts. I wish Glen all the best.
I just want to know if upside down forks and disc brakes are class legal on Pre 85 263 bikes. If so I will install on my YZ and race it again next year. If not some thing should be said.
Ji
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So Noel no bikes except those that were protested about were checked for class ?
Ji
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Didnt make it to the Nats , but what the **** is Glen Bell using on the front end of that Honda , Vintage ? pigs arse
Vintage 2008 I reckon !
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Didnt make it to the Nats , but what the **** is Glen Bell using on the front end of that Honda , Vintage ? pigs arse
Vintage 2008 I reckon !
The forks are Simons , same as Lackey used in 82 and legal .The wave disc ?????
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Thanks motomaniac,
Cool I will start looking for a set.
I have until next year to pay for them.
Ji
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I just did a quick ebay search and the only wave discs that I could find were the 6 bolt type that were used from 1995 on .Upto 94 they were 4 bolt so maybe I have to change my front hub as well????
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Simons USD forks were available pre 85. Brad Lackey had them on his RN82. I am not sure if there are any differences between a set of simons USD forks built before pre 85 or a set made in 88 for example. If questioned, im guessing Glen/the bikes onwer would need to proove what year/generation the forks are as it is a similar issue to Bahnseys KX500 which has WP USD forks which were available pre 85 but the particular ones he has are off a 86/87ish model bike.
If all Simons USD forks 82 onwards are the same then there is no issue. If other competitors felt Glens bike was illegal, they had the opportunity to protest if they wished. Its no point dwelling on it now though.
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Getting personal wasn't aimed at you personally Ji, but more a generalization.
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Hi LWC,
How would one find out which Simon's forks were made pre 85?
Ji
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i would be asking this guy (Thor) [email protected] http://ltthor.home.comcast.net/~ltthor/Simons.html . I do have a bit of Simons info, but probably nothing that would give you the info your after.
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Thanks LWC,
I will talk to him tomorrow.
Ji
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Hang on no one protested about Glen's bike.
I am not getting personnel.
I was in the Pre 85 263 class and on Sunday afternoon I shook Glen's hand and congratulated him on his efforts. I wish Glen all the best.
I just want to know if upside down forks and disc brakes are class legal on Pre 85 263 bikes. If so I will install on my YZ and race it again next year. If not some thing should be said.
Ji
Ji '84 CR's and '82,'83 & '84 KX's came standard with disc front brakes so yes they are legal.
I think all the Simons upside down forks are the same. Good luck finding them, they'll cost you about the same as the value of your bike.
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I know that the normal Simon's forks are $1800.00US needing to be rebuilt. I will have to work hard this year if I am to afford a pair of USD's.
Ji
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I know that the normal Simon's forks are $1800.00US needing to be rebuilt. I will have to work hard this year if I am to afford a pair of USD's.
Ji
USD SIMONS HAVE SOLD ON EBAY FOR BETWEEN $4000 - $5000 US IF YOU CAN FIND THEM.
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Hang on no one protested about Glen's bike.
I am not getting personnel.
I was in the Pre 85 263 class and on Sunday afternoon I shook Glen's hand and congratulated him on his efforts. I wish Glen all the best.
I just want to know if upside down forks and disc brakes are class legal on Pre 85 263 bikes. If so I will install on my YZ and race it again next year. If not some thing should be said.
Ji
jOHNNY O the wave disc was / is the quetion not normal round discs.
Ji '84 CR's and '82,'83 & '84 KX's came standard with disc front brakes so yes they are legal.
I think all the Simons upside down forks are the same. Good luck finding them, they'll cost you about the same as the value of your bike.
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there was a set for sale on Marks site last year i think and they came with an Ohlins shock. Theres probably a few out there, just gotta pass the word around and do some real detective work, it will be hard though. Ive been looking for a WP fork kit for 38mm suzuki forks but havent found one yet.
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I will have to work hard this year if I am to afford a pair of USD's.
Ji
I'll say. How good do you look in a dress Ji?
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Seems that the wave disc is more of an eye sore in the same way that i have pro tapers on my 74 cz. They just dont sit right with old bikes. I must change my bars. ::)
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Hi, just wondering from faraway Vietnam, was anyone audacious enough to try & enter a twin shocker in Pre 85, if so, were they flogged with a cat of 9 tales, strung up with wire or whisked away by the nazi's, never to be seen again. No one over here can tell me ??? ???
Mr Maico #54
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there was a set for sale on Marks site last year i think and they came with an Ohlins shock. Theres probably a few out there, just gotta pass the word around and do some real detective work, it will be hard though. Ive been looking for a WP fork kit for 38mm suzuki forks but havent found one yet.
Leith as far as I remember WP fork kits came out in the early 80's -43mm forks . I never seem them for 38mm.
Also re your earlier post I dont think Simons were around much after 85.Steve Simons moved into mtb's sometime after making the USD's and later his anti cav kits - which were mid 80's.
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Hi, just wondering from faraway Vietnam, was anyone audacious enough to try & enter a twin shocker in Pre 85, if so, were they flogged with a cat of 9 tales, strung up with wire or whisked away by the nazi's, never to be seen again. No one over here can tell me ??? ???
Mr Maico #54
Hi Mr Maico , I heard that Geoff Ballard lined up but later went to hospital with severe pain in his eye.He had had an eye op the week before .I think he got one moto in - dont know about the others.
:)Having Fun???
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So There are two brands to choose from for Pre 85 legal USD's
WP and Simon's
Ji
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Hi, just wondering from faraway Vietnam, was anyone audacious enough to try & enter a twin shocker in Pre 85, if so, were they flogged with a cat of 9 tales, strung up with wire or whisked away by the nazi's, never to be seen again. No one over here can tell me ??? ???
Mr Maico #54
Hi Mr Maico , I heard that Geoff Ballard lined up but later went to hospital with severe pain in his eye.He had had an eye op the week before .I think he got one moto in - dont know about the others.
:)Having Fun???
Geoff Ballard and Roy Gay both rode twin shock Maico's in pre '85, but as you said Ballard only rode on friday due to an eye infection.
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YES WP fork kits were available for 38mm RM and PE forks.
Motomaniac, you could very well be right, i will see whats listed in my catalogues though
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Hi, just wondering from faraway Vietnam, was anyone audacious enough to try & enter a twin shocker in Pre 85, if so, were they flogged with a cat of 9 tales, strung up with wire or whisked away by the nazi's, never to be seen again. No one over here can tell me ??? ???
Mr Maico #54
Yes, I'm pretty sure that Ballard ran one pre-85 race, and one Evo 263+ race (along with a pre-75 race on Ross C's YZ360B). Two different '81 Maico 490s, which side-steps the "one bike = one ride at the Nationals" thing.
The rest of this discussion is driving me mental - I think I need to do a flow chart to work out eligibility, because reading and understanding the rules is clearly well beyond many of us.
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there was a set for sale on Marks site last year i think and they came with an Ohlins shock. Theres probably a few out there, just gotta pass the word around and do some real detective work, it will be hard though. Ive been looking for a WP fork kit for 38mm suzuki forks but havent found one yet.
What are you trying tdo Leith and with what model? There are Simons , Fox ,AlBaker etc kits for 38mm forks. I got some simons that might work - could let go for the right $.
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GB also ran a Maico in the Pre75 263 class but the engine seized.
Ji
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simons would be out of my price range im sure :)
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Yes, I'm pretty sure that Ballard ran one pre-85 race, and one Evo 263+ race (along with a pre-75 race on Ross C's YZ360B). Two different '81 Maico 490s, which side-steps the "one bike = one ride at the Nationals" thing.
The rest of this discussion is driving me mental - I think I need to do a flow chart to work out eligibility, because reading and understanding the rules is clearly well beyond many of us.
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So the 490 maico does still legally fit into EVO and Pre85 at national level?
If so, i will pay 2 entries and have 2 different numbers next year so i can ride more races.
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Hi Motomaniac, having a great time. If you like Asia, this is a wonderful place. Why we ever went to war with these people, we will never understand. Me & Mrs Maico went out to Long Tan yesterday with a helicopter pilot, who was in the battle, it was an unbelievably emotional experience, something evry aussie should do.
If you saw the Long Tan battle fields, how anyone survived is a miracle. Back in Oz soon :( :(
Mr Maico #54
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simons would be out of my price range im sure :)
Simons kit s - not forks. would be cheaper than wp
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While I was sitting on the line in the Pre 85 263 class a fellow rode his Evo 263 bike off the track and into the grid. I thought that was not allowed.
Ji
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While I was sitting on the line in the Pre 85 263 class a fellow rode his Evo 263 bike off the track and into the grid. I thought that was not allowed.
Ji
HHmmmmm?
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Double HHHMMMMMMMMMM.....
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Double HHHMMMMMMMMMM.....
TRIPLE HHHHMMMMMM HHHHHMMMMMM HHHHHMMMMM
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Hi Motomaniac, having a great time. If you like Asia, this is a wonderful place. Why we ever went to war with these people, we will never understand. Me & Mrs Maico went out to Long Tan yesterday with a helicopter pilot, who was in the battle, it was an unbelievably emotional experience, something evry aussie should do.
If you saw the Long Tan battle fields, how anyone survived is a miracle. Back in Oz soon :( :(
Mr Maico #54
SOUNDS AWESOME -LOOK FORWARD TOO SEEING YOU AND THE LOVELY MRS MAICO AT THE RACES SOON.
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While I was sitting on the line in the Pre 85 263 class a fellow rode his Evo 263 bike off the track and into the grid. I thought that was not allowed.
Ji
I'm sure i saw Roy Gay doing that, dunno what the story was.
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you sure did see that think the rules got a bit lost somewhere JohnnyO
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At the time I thought it was odd but I was focused on my own problems, it was not until I finished the race when my wife, Mrs Gantor asked me what the story was with this fellow riding the same bike in two races.
Ji
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While I was sitting on the line in the Pre 85 263 class a fellow rode his Evo 263 bike off the track and into the grid. I thought that was not allowed.
Ji
I'm sure i saw Roy Gay doing that, dunno what the story was.
You Cant be fuggin serious, after about 3 weeks of guys typing about how wrong it was, none of these guys have put and end to it in there own back yard?
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So the 490 maico does still legally fit into EVO and Pre85 at national level?
If so, i will pay 2 entries and have 2 different numbers next year so i can ride more races.
The issue before the event was whether you could ride one bike in more than one class - not whether an Evo legal bike was allowed to be entered (only) in pre-85.
There was a younger bloke riding an Evo-spec RM125 in the pre-85 125 class too. Again, he was riding the bike in one class only.
I have wondered whether you'd get away with presenting the bike as two different bikes. There's a bloke in Historic Road Racing who has two different era log books for the one bike - it has two different fairings (old and relatively new styles) which makes it legit as the HRR guys have a rule that specifically says that a machine will be considered to be as old as its ewest major component.
What's this got to do with the 09 Nationals?
Top event, BTW. ;)
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While I was sitting on the line in the Pre 85 263 class a fellow rode his Evo 263 bike off the track and into the grid. I thought that was not allowed.
Ji
I'm sure i saw Roy Gay doing that, dunno what the story was.
You Cant be fuggin serious, after about 3 weeks of guys typing about how wrong it was, none of these guys have put and end to it in there own back yard?
Mate i'm pretty sure the officials already had their plates full and didn't notice the offending rider.
He probably entered 2 different bikes.
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UNFCKNBLVBLE!!!
Good Old Roy GAY DO'S IT HIS WAY!!!
Actually after all the pre nationa;s fuss on the forum there was nothing that I found in the GCR's about riding evo in pre 85, riding two class's or riding up a class ie from evo to Pre 85 .
Where's the documentation fella's so we can all read it and understand whats going on.
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yeah roy did do that he had 2 maicos
1 for evo and 1 for pre85
the races were back to back and he changed when he came in
except last race he came in late and rode straight around onto grid ::)
like john said the officials had there hands full
so he managed to get away with it
didnt see anyone else do it over weekend though :D
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UNFCKNBLVBLE!!!
Good Old Roy GAY DO'S IT HIS WAY!!!
Actually after all the pre nationa;s fuss on the forum there was nothing that I found in the GCR's about riding evo in pre 85, riding two class's or riding up a class ie from evo to Pre 85 .
Where's the documentation fella's so we can all read it and understand whats going on.
Mate i think that's a discussion for another day..
We're all on a high after such a great weekend to get into this again.
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Mrs Gantor believes she saw Roy ride straight off the track into the pre 85 263 class twice.
Ji
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lot of talk about eligibility and protests
and illegal track ::)
how about how good the meeting was
sure you will get protests 200 riders and 450 bikes
its always gunna happen at a national
best national i have been too and i couldnt ride
blew up 4 bikes so i was a spectator mostly :'(
meeting ran like a clock guys on dummy grid and start gate area
were excellent no dramas only the 1 main accident
track was great muddy in morning dry in afternoon
no dust and held up good
was prepped and watered every night
scrutineering went well i did a lot of it and the presentation of the bikes
was excellent and we dont do eligibility at scrutineering only safety
if a guy has the wrong model forks in and he knows
and he is up the pointy end then he knows there is a chance of protest
if he is a mid or back packer he gets to race and have a good time
some might have incorrect parts and not know it
but its all about racing and having a good time
qvmx and sunshine coast club did an excellent job
18 months in the planing countless meetings
and working bees over 70 workers
big effort
everyone i saw and spoke too had a good time
even me with 4 blown up bikes :'(
i did borrow 1 off brad and do a couple of races though ;D
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How did you manage to b low up 4 bikes ? Thats nuts.
Ajay already qouted a test - B and C model forks are exactly the same save spring rates
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All of the great things that happened at the Nats and you blokes focus on the negative. ???
In my previous post I made the huge faux pas of not passing on my accolades.
* Thanks to Husky 67 and Ribbo for their friendship and for putting up with me and my snoring and whingeing.
*Thanks to Kevin Brown for reminding me of the joy of winning a trophy (Over 60s)when he least expected it. His glow made it all so worthwhile.
*Thanks to Peter Drakeford for taking over the PA mike when my lack of showbiz finesse started to manifest itself.
*Thanks to Noel Shultz, young Cassie, Mick Bakewell, Trev, Peter and other QVMX and Sunshine members who made our announcing gig a joy.
*Thanks for Bill and Kerry Nolan for their wonderful hospitality on Saturday night. Great people.
*Thanks to the nameless workers who did everything from bunting detail to sign on. We'd have been rooted without you!
*Thanks to Engineered Enviroments/Team Husky/Klub Kevlar for the fun vibe and great pit atmosphere.
Thanks to Victor for coming all the way from Slovakia to race. He didn't speak a word of English but his smile said he had a ball. He was very quick on a very slow bike too!
*It was brilliant to catch up with "old school" vintage mates, John Kemp, Paul Chippy, Col Metcher, Brian Clarkson, Vern Grayson, Gally, Grunt, Drakie and plenty more
*It was also great to meet up with forum regulars, the indominatble Alison and hubby Steve, Doc, Johnny O, Yammiefan, Vandy (cool RT1 mate, I forgot to tell you!), Nathan,090, TM Bill, Ross Cambell and my apologies if I've missed any of you.
*It was also an honour to present the Over 70's trophies to Dave Kemp, Bill Tyers, Colin Metcher, Billy Holm, the great Don Newell, and the amazing 81 year old Bill Watson. I also met up with 82 year old Bill Pengilly who wasn't racing due to injury. These old boys are living legends.
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did gearbox selector on 125 husky (my fault)
ignition on 450 husky :'(
clutch bush on montesa 250 :'(
and the worst one riding my lovely little monty 125 pre78
lost power and stopped no compression
carby top had come off and leaned out holed piston :'( :'(
(bing carb) :'(
borrowed 090 brads cr125 mini bike for a couple of races got a second and third
tried too blow it up but i couldnt ;D ;D ;D
good one firko ;)
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borrowed 090 brads cr125 mini bike for a couple of races got a second and third
tried too blow it up but i couldnt Grin Grin Grin
My $700 special!
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Yer everyone said it was great but I heard today that one bloke is devarstated for getting disqualified for having different tripple clamps. Hes a long time VMX rider and committe member , does great work on and off the track.
If thats not nit picking I don't know.
Not much different to the CZ rear hub a few years back and a bad sign for the future
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did gearbox selector on 125 husky (my fault)
ignition on 450 husky :'(
clutch bush on montesa 250 :'(
and the worst one riding my lovely little monty 125 pre78
lost power and stopped no compression
carby top had come off and leaned out holed piston :'( :'(
(bing carb) :'(
borrowed 090 brads cr125 mini bike for a couple of races got a second and third
tried too blow it up but i couldnt ;D ;D ;D
good one firko ;)
Rusty that's more blow ups than most people have in 10 seasons!
Hopefully you got them all out of the way for the next few years.
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Ajay already qouted a test - B and C model forks are exactly the same save spring rates
Err... that's not what I said. ???
I said that the suspension travel was the same.
Changing spring rates is a pretty important difference and no doubt they would be valved differently to react properly for the different spring rates as well. And of course...the C forks have extenders.
Not really "exactly the same" are they? ;)
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No. That's not nit-picking......
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Ajay already qouted a test - B and C model forks are exactly the same save spring rates
Err... that's not what I said. ???
I said that the suspension travel was the same.
Changing spring rates is a pretty important difference and no doubt they would be valved differently to react properly for the different spring rates as well. And of course...the C forks have extenders.
Not really "exactly the same" are they? ;)
What??? Are you suggesting that everyone use the spring rates that their bikes came with off the floor???
Fug me everyone changes the springs front and rear to suit themselves, thats part of setting your bike up ,no doubt the original C springs are long gone and have been replaced with new versions anyway.JEEZZ. and the fork extenders were commonplace for the period.The guy could have used YZ stauchions that are kayaba and do interchange and are already longer without the extended caps .
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First we had the CZ hub debackle and now the RM rubbermounted handlebars.
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I can tell the Grandkids I saw the whole thing unfold..... :'( :'(
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Yer everyone said it was great but I heard today that one bloke is devarstated for getting disqualified for having different tripple clamps. Hes a long time VMX rider and committe member , does great work on and off the track.
If thats not nit picking I don't know.
Not much different to the CZ rear hub a few years back and a bad sign for the future
First we had the CZ hub debackle and now the RM rubbermounted handlebars.
For f*#k sake matey...Let it go! The bike/s would have been knocked back for more than just having rubber mounts or different triples and you know it. You weren't there yet you're making the biggest hoo haa. Move on.
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What??? Are you suggesting that everyone use the spring rates that their bikes came with off the floor???
Fug me everyone changes the springs front and rear to suit themselves, thats part of setting your bike up ,no doubt the original C springs are long gone and have been replaced with new versions anyway.JEEZZ. and the fork extenders were commonplace for the period.The guy could have used YZ stauchions that are kayaba and do interchange and are already longer without the extended caps .
I guess we also need to conveniently forget that the B model triple clamp design made using aftermarket extenders (even if they were available) impossible on an RM125B due to the handlebar location... ???
And of course we also need to completely forget the altered geometry of the bike... :o
And anything else for that matter that wouldn't fit the arguement that the bike was a pre-78 legal bike... ::)
As Firko says...
"Let it go" :'(
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i compared part numbers of the following parts on 77 RM125 B and 78 RM125 C. fork sliders, fork inner tubes and damper rods. all 3 parts are different part numbers on the 78 compared to the 77.
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Pretty dissapointing weekend for you Holeshot.If there had been a "hard luck" trophy you would have snapped it up.Anyway now you know why you've seen bing carbies race wired like you said!Cheers Russ.
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Brad doing some elbow to elbow (with Paul Copley from WA maybe?)over 'Drunks' on his trusty CZ.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/IMG_7915.jpg)
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just got back to WA. I had a Shite weekend bike wise (didn't get to take my own out!!) but many thanks to Vic James for a bike so at least I could have a ride. Good to catch up with some old faces - Fatboy, Magoo etc and meet many more new ones - Firko, Darren, Birko, Nathan, Brad, TMBill and all those I have forgotten :-\ Rachel, Trev, Peter and Steven helped out heaps with the fact I swapped bikes and swapped mine for others to ride ;D.
Get over the politics side of things - good weekend all round - huge effort to get all done.
Brad - shall send a separte email re the oil etc - I haven't forgotten!! :o
Cheers one and all.
Rossco
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Where can the results of the nationals be found I have tried that Sunstate web site but nothing comes up. There is nothing on the QVMX site.
Well done to the organisers it was a great event.
I just wish they did not wet the track so much at night.
I was one of the mud monsters sent out for the first practises on Friday morning.
I took two hours to get the bike clean enough so we could work on it.
Ji
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Geez Rosco - what is it with your bikes at Interstate Nationals???? Remember the 6 x P's? (Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance...... hahaha) Mind you, you probably took the CR250 so I'm not really surprised!! ;D
Is it going to be worth me taking the TM to Wandering to flog your arse? Maybe I'll see if you make it through practice before I bother to unload it (No point getting it dirty for nothing is there?) :-* :-*
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Nathan shows that the old DT1 is a great ride for the pre 70 class if set up properly. It most certainly ain't very pretty but it works. He had a great dice with Stuart Muntz on his squarie Maico in the 3rd moto on Sunday.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/IMG_8549.jpg)
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Thanks for that Firko - that's the only pic I've seen of me from the weekend... :D
And yes, good fun racing against Stuart (and Des on the Bultaco in the earlier race).
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I have just been speaking to a past Pro MX rider and he told me that back in the day some Honda riders would install Honda 1988 USD forks to their older four stroke Honda mechines.
Where are our Honda/Simon's fork experts.
Were the USD forks on Glen's bike Simon's or later model Honda?
Just because the forks had a Simon's sticker on them does not mean that they are in fact Simon's.
After all how hard would it be to find 1984 Simon's USD forks, front hub, disc brakes and triple clamps to set up a CR500 1984?
I am not attacking any one I would just like to know,
Are they
a) Honda or
b) Simon's forks ?
Ji
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww268/Jigantor1963/GlenBell.jpg)
I am unsure who is the owner of this image but I would like to use it for educational purposes.
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hey guys i let out the original 1977 air from my tyres when i put new rubber on for the qld titles coming up. i want to keep it legal. has anyone got an old air compressor that shit itself in 1977 that may have some air in the tank?
only joking! i have changed my swingarm and cant wait for proserpine this weekend and then the qld titles. i reckon we should all contact QMA and nominate the aussie titles as the best meet of the year. as a way to thank every one for the work they did to allow all of us to ride. they do give out awards like that i think.
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ive got a wheel and tyre here from a studiebaker champion that still has air in it from when i bought it home 200 years ago if you can transfer the co2 and pay postage its all yours
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ive got a wheel and tyre here from a studiebaker champion that still has air in it from when i bought it home 200 years ago if you can transfer the co2 and pay postage its all yours
You just can't let it go eh? ::)
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Brook Lawson on his father Peters controversial pre 65 Beeza.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/IMG_7854.jpg)
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I have just been speaking to a past Pro MX rider and he told me that back in the day some Honda riders would install Honda 1988 USD forks to their older four stroke Honda mechines.
Where are our Honda/Simon's fork experts.
Were the USD forks on Glen's bike Simon's or later model Honda?
Just because the forks had a Simon's sticker on them does not mean that they are in fact Simon's.
After all how hard would it be to find 1984 Simon's USD forks, front hub, disc brakes and triple clamps to set up a CR500 1984?
I am not attacking any one I would just like to know,
Are they
a) Honda or
b) Simon's forks ?
Ji
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww268/Jigantor1963/GlenBell.jpg)
I am unsure who is the owner of this image but I would like to use it for educational purposes.
First off Honda didnt have USD until 89 and believe they were bad.Better off with a pair of 86/87/88 conventionals.
Belly's forks are Simons- BILLET ENDS, BILLET CLAMPS ETC
GOOD LUCK WITH FINDING A PAIR FOR ANY MODEL BIKE
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To clear up the cr500 simons forks on the bike that glen rode i had 2 sets of them. They are simons forks on the cr and are pre85 legal as i raced in that class the only thing that was suspect was the wave disc and the year of the front brakes but who gives a he would have won on a bike with standard brake or even twin leading shoes maybe i should have protested then i would have got 3rd overall but i dont want something i didnt earn
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hey guys i let out the original 1977 air from my tyres when i put new rubber on for the qld titles coming up. i want to keep it legal. has anyone got an old air compressor that shit itself in 1977 that may have some air in the tank?
only joking! i have changed my swingarm and cant wait for proserpine this weekend and then the qld titles. i reckon we should all contact QMA and nominate the aussie titles as the best meet of the year. as a way to thank every one for the work they did to allow all of us to ride. they do give out awards like that i think.
After the swingarm you need to change the forks - different springrates and dampening , and also the triples - rubber mounts , and take those aircaps off!!
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I have just been speaking to a past Pro MX rider and he told me that back in the day some Honda riders would install Honda 1988 USD forks to their older four stroke Honda mechines.
Where are our Honda/Simon's fork experts.
Were the USD forks on Glen's bike Simon's or later model Honda?
Just because the forks had a Simon's sticker on them does not mean that they are in fact Simon's.
After all how hard would it be to find 1984 Simon's USD forks, front hub, disc brakes and triple clamps to set up a CR500 1984?
I am not attacking any one I would just like to know,
Are they
a) Honda or
b) Simon's forks ?
Ji
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww268/Jigantor1963/GlenBell.jpg)
I am unsure who is the owner of this image but I would like to use it for educational purposes.
There SIMONS goodluck finding a pair and when you take a look at the Honda/Showa USD you will see the difference
#8
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hey guys i let out the original 1977 air from my tyres when i put new rubber on for the qld titles coming up. i want to keep it legal. has anyone got an old air compressor that shit itself in 1977 that may have some air in the tank?
only joking! i have changed my swingarm and cant wait for proserpine this weekend and then the qld titles. i reckon we should all contact QMA and nominate the aussie titles as the best meet of the year. as a way to thank every one for the work they did to allow all of us to ride. they do give out awards like that i think.
After the swingarm you need to change the forks - different springrates and dampening , and also the triples - rubber mounts , and take those aircaps off!!
And reduce the travel by 40mm !or did someone say that the travel is actually the same???
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Okay thanks chaps we can now put the forks to bed.
Kawa 440,
I feel the same as you (after all I was in the Pre 85 263 class as well).
I did not ask these questions to smear Glen nor Jeff I asked so I could learn.
The wave disc is irrelevant to me a disc is a disc. If they are in the class Cool who cares what they look like.
Are the triple clamps and brake connection legal?
Were they made pre 85 or are they after market 2009?
If I can find a pair for my bike will fit them knowing they are legal.
Ji
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hey guys i let out the original 1977 air from my tyres when i put new rubber on for the qld titles coming up. i want to keep it legal. has anyone got an old air compressor that shit itself in 1977 that may have some air in the tank?
After the swingarm you need to change the forks - different springrates and dampening , and also the triples - rubber mounts , and take those aircaps off!!
And reduce the travel by 40mm !or did someone say that the travel is actually the same???
??? ???
Feeling better? ::)
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Okay thanks chaps we can now put the forks to bed.
Kawa 440,
I feel the same as you (after all I was in the Pre 85 263 class as well).
I did not ask these questions to smear Glen nor Jeff I asked so I could learn.
The wave disc is irrelevant to me a disc is a disc. If they are in the class Cool who cares what they look like.
Are the triple clamps and brake connection legal?
Were they made pre 85 or are they after market 2009?
If I can find a pair for my bike will fit them knowing they are legal.
Ji
The clamps come with the forks, IMO the brake caliper bracket was custom made .Simons weren't used that much in 84 as WP kits were available as a retro fit and were on par or better than simons.
MY OPINION ONLY. Simon might have another view
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So there may have been a WP kit that would fit the YZ490's
Triple clamps, brakes and so on.
Cool
Are there many WP's around today and do they go for the same money as the Simon's?
Ji
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So there may have been a WP kit that would fit the YZ490's
Triple clamps, brakes and so on.
Cool
Are there many WP's around today and do they go for the same money as the Simon's?
Ji
WP kit as in internals - with comp/reb and preload adjusters. they are around
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hey guys i let out the original 1977 air from my tyres when i put new rubber on for the qld titles coming up. i want to keep it legal. has anyone got an old air compressor that shit itself in 1977 that may have some air in the tank?
After the swingarm you need to change the forks - different springrates and dampening , and also the triples - rubber mounts , and take those aircaps off!!
And reduce the travel by 40mm !or did someone say that the travel is actually the same???
??? ???
Feeling better? ::) Don't worry about me AJAY.im always feeling good. Time you got some TenYear after tunes down I reckon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSkUhw2H57k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwajCOzcNDY&feature=PlayList&p=D084A5E4856DA2C5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcp66hYmLzg&feature=PlayList&p=D084A5E4856DA2C5&index=4
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When I said WP kit I meant Forks, triples and brake bracket.
Ji
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http://www.orion-timing.com/ for Results.I would like to thanks everyone involved in the weekend.Had a ball and will practice my singing for next year !!.Also note to self to check seat mounting bolts next time.Cheers
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I had a great weekend. In line for 3rd in the 60+, but rode a bad third leg, ended up 4th - still crash hot result. Bike started every time I wanted it to, got the gearing right after qualifying, only got jammed in the starting gate once, back brake worked like a light switch, either on or off, got my usual lousy starts(too much rough red, Darcy!), and had a mile wide grin all weekend.
Just like 99% of all the other competitors. The other 1% will know better next time!
Three cheers for all the workers & volunteers!! It's so easy to just show up and ride on the day, but these guys & gals have put up to weeks into the event, so maybe the individual clubs represented by all the competitors should write a letter of appreciation to the organising clubs, for the great job they did to make the event such a success.
Mike
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Thank you Dr500.
Ji
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ah yes Walter, you may remember me, I was the guy on the PE175 who blitzed the field in evo 250. Let me know how you would like to handle the transfer of goods to my shed ;D
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paul, top answer! bloody funny! thats what the sport is all about.
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WP kit as in internals - with comp/reb and preload adjusters. they are around
Where?
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That was a great Nats :) A huge thankyou to all the people who made it possible for me to ride the event .
Vale for the leave pass and support from home :-*
Brad and his family for their generous hospitality again :)
Brad for letting me ride the mighty Greenstripe ;D man that bikes cool 8) and gave me my best result of the weekend ;D
John and big H for all the support pre , during and post event :) Johns bikes would have to be amoung the best looking and well prepared bikes at the event 8)
Dodgee for the bikes including what would have to be the quickest TM 125 i have ridden (shame about the pilot :-[) and the ongoing help and support :) Dodgee & Doc first helped me at the coffs titles and i hope one day they i will be able to return the favour this side of the ditch :)
Doc for the moral support and the crate to ship home some of the aquisitions that have been clutering Brads shed for the last 18 months
the crates now cluttering Johns workshop ::)
Alll who were involved in running the event , it was a very well run event on what would have to be the best VMX track ever. I cant think of another track where the real VMX bikes and the kettles could coexist so well ;D
Awsome to catch up with mates old and new and put faces to forum members who i met in person for the first time .
Great company , great racing, great atmosphere :) what more could a bloke ask for :)
I enjoyed it that much i'm coming back for the Qld Titles at the end of the month ;D
PS if anyone picked up a well used UK passport at the event with a devastingly good looking blokes photo in it, the British government would like it back ::)
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Where can the results of the nationals be found I have tried that Sunstate web site but nothing comes up. There is nothing on the QVMX site.
Well done to the organisers it was a great event.
I just wish they did not wet the track so much at night.
I was one of the mud monsters sent out for the first practises on Friday morning.
I took two hours to get the bike clean enough so we could work on it.
Ji
IF we didn't water overnight there would have been dust from mid morning onwards instead of mid afternoon. Does suck for the first one's out there, But just how it has to be. We didn't get our lucky NSR3 rain as what normally happens
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WP kit as in internals - with comp/reb and preload adjusters. they are around
Where?
I was refering to the more common 43mm kits Leith.I believe you that 38mm kits existed because 125' s had 38mm forks back then(some years) but I never seen an actual kit with adjusters for 38 mm.Only simons,terry ,pdi,Al Baker fox etc.
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Ji gantor If your still looking for the results you'll find them here http://www.orion-timing.com/ in the Mx section Darcy
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Is there any updates on the health of WA rider Bill Copley who crashed on the big downhill and had to helicoptered out? I was watching the crash through my telephoto lens and it sure was a doozy. Naturally I was so shocked I forgot to press the shutter button! I was told that he'd hammered his shoulder rather badly but hadn't heared any more since Sunday.
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Firko - I haven't heard anymore than the 7 broken ribs and punctured lung. When I spoke to Paul he said he would be in hospital for a few more days at least before being allowed to fly. Apparently he was coming along OK though (as well as could be expected as he was bruised and battered).
Rossco
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Just don't make him laugh! :o
As anyone who has ever had broken ribs will tell you, that is no laughing matter! ;D
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WP kit as in internals - with comp/reb and preload adjusters. they are around
Where?
Leith of course I knew that you were right but I am just confirming here.WP knobby fork kits are listed in the White brothers 1983 cat.
38mm 12" #wpkfk4
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People often wonder why major sponsors of sporting events stop sponsoring events, and divert their funding into other sports
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That makes two of us Shoey, but thanks for being a part of the best event i have ever been a part of, sponsor and competitor.
Cheers Trev( just took something profound to bring me back)
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People often wonder why major sponsors of sporting events stop sponsoring events, and divert their funding into other sports
Yes I as one of the other major sponsor I agree with you shoey.
Some of the grown men on this forum need to stand back take a look at themself's and say is what I am pushing here in the best interest of the sport and more so the people who give up there free time to run these events.
The event was well run and well attented with people far and wide attending (special thanks for our NZ mates and the good foke of WA that turned up in numbers and special thanks to the WA guy's that pitched in and gave a hand to setup the track on Wednesday as this is what the sport is about).
Boy's this thread was about the event as a hole and not just a small part of the event. Go off and have your bitch session in other threads and lets hear of all the good this event did for all competitors and not just a choosen few.
The real winner was the died in the wool VMX riders that just wanted to compete at a nationals and could not give a rats arse about the difference in a year of a bike, but are true to their make and living the dream of riding an era of bike that they loved and still love.
It is great news our old mate that had the big off on Sunday is ok and on the mend. I too had a big fall on Friday that stopped the racing for a while, to all the officials thankyou for the assistance and to all the people who showed concern for my health over the weekend my thanks also to you. this is the part of the sport that will keep me coming back and plans are already in motion to be at the 2010 nats in Vico so look out Hoony.
Thanks to all the other sponsors, workers, organising clubs officals and people that gave their time free of charge to make this event one to remember.
So lets put the crap about bars and 10mm of extra travel to bed and hear some of the good light hearted moments that happened over the weekend.
Shane
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Shane and Rob....Thank you for supporting the event and VMX in general. Don't let a small minority of pedantic tossers spoil it for you. As you both well know, the majority of VMX participants don't go on with the crap that's concerning you both. Your support is well appreciated, believe me. Anyone who was at Conondale knew that they were experiencing a very special event. It was the best Nats I've ever been to, bar none.
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Yes thanks to Shane and Rob, Trev. and all the unnamed people who put it together,
walking around on Friday morning after arriving in the dark Thursday I was just blown away at the professional presentation and preparation of the whole thing,I did not even get to race on Friday and had one off the best days of the event,
I also availed myself of the hospitality of both the Wiltec and Engineered Environments Pits ( even though did ride a Pre78 125, It was a Honda ;D)
thanks again guys
Ps
Sorry you could not make it to the event Rob, all the best,
Noel
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aussies titles! well run! top racing! best ever! allowed us to go back in time for 3 days! shit its a good sport!
olympic committee just sorted out what sports are in for next olympics. vmx was left out! next time!
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I thought one of Trev's closing comments - thanking the "also rans" (my version not Trevs) - who filled the rest of the postions and made the sport what it is was excellent and as one of those "also rans" was very much appreciated. ;D
Rossco
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I truly hope we can get as much passion and enthusiasm for the upcoming Classic Dirt Track Nats as I saw at Conondale.
I realise it's a different dicipline but the same bikes are used and it's a different enough experience to add another factor to your VMX enjoyment. Why not continue your contribution to the resurgence of vintage racing by entering for the Classic Dirt Track Nats at Barleigh Ranch.
I realise this is a slight thread hijack but it dawned on me that there's a possibility that many don't read the dirt track threads and quite possibly aren't aware of the event.
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Firko, Iwas only talking to Magoo about it today and we are looking at coming down for a ride or at least a look. We need to get the flat track side of the sport up and going here in QLD.
Shane
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Here is an interesting shot at the Nationals.
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Nice Maico 400
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73 TM400 for sale at the Nationals
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What The?
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John Boag No1 givin a fist full on the 125
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Geoff Morris, had the thingly on display ......pretty quick from 0 to 20 klm
Tm Bills , way of fixing a flat tyre . He had 2 bikes upside down swapping rear wheels :o
Frosty , Here you go .... give the bloke a ring to see it's still for sale
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Yeah Frosty, there is your dream bike, a 73 TM400!. It looks pretty much all there, you dont have to go hunting for much parts, would be a good project. Might be your only chance to grab one?
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I would like to give my full support to the comments by Firko in the praise of the event and the running of the event and also support his thanks to the sponsors, add to that the supporters and fellow riders for the serious yet fun attitude shown over the three days of a fantastic event.
I last competed in a National Motocross Titles in 1972 at Owen Park Wallen in Victoria and still remember the similar fantastic buzz, support and mateship shown throughout that event ( I had a new Malcolm Davis Pursang then, so I needed support) and the late Bert Flood gave it to me, even though I was only a C grader.
Come on Broadford, I can't wait and I am sure most people who attended will feel the same, thanks again to all involved in making Conondale the great success it was and what a track it was !!!
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nice tm400 I got photos from Hardex earlier thanks for that. I dont think i can afford to spend $5000 on one though it doesnt matter if I pick up a ratty one it would still probably cost that much in the long run who knows maybe i will fins one on a job tommorow :)
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Hi all
The 1st thing that stood out for me was how good the racing was, the 1st EVO125 was a ripper and it just got better. Well done Brad, not just as a rider but a bike builder.
2: The bike's what can you say unreal.
3: The people, the "thankyou's" mean alot to the clubs. I almost lost my voce from talking to anyone and everyone.
4: The pressure of having the track scrutinized 6mth out, shows people care about the event and made us try even harder. We wanted the track to be as big and bold as any AMX nats track we have done.
5: Thanks to all the SCMCC & QVMX guys that put in and a HUGE thank you to Peter Bell the best Clerk of course there is.
I know It doesn't always look like it ::) but I really had a good time.
Cheers
Noel
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Thanks Noel for the assistance you gave Drakie and I in the announcers tower all weekend. You and your club blew me away with your efficiency and enthusiasm. Our sport would be in much better condition if there were a few more Noels around to run the show. Thanks again mate.
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Gee thanks Noel :-[.
You guys only ever put on a great event. Matches the great facility. Cant wait for cd7 ;)
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Here is an interesting shot at the Nationals.
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt12/hardexgun/DSCF2059.jpg)
Im all for taking the easy route to do a job ;D just cos im a Gynecologist does'nt mean i wallpaper the hall through the letter box ::)
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Well put ;D
And another shot. Man i'm so glad i didn't have to Race my TM250 on this track jumping sky jumps on a 75 model bike with a 50 year old body .
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt12/hardexgun/DSCF2055.jpg)
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The jumps weren't bad. Even landing in the worst possible spot on Drunk's on an overweight pre-70 bike resulted in nothing more than a dull thud - no stinging wrists or any of that.
The big downhill and the rough sections down the back were far more 'taxing' on the body than the jumps (not that they were bad).
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RESULTS
Bit late- but a good read 8)
http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Results4&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=51464