2009 qvmx sunshine coast mcc vintage nationals update

[VMX247]

The Tassie event  was boycoted and bullied last year too . Its about time MA put a stop to it. As a fact people here in SA where told by the ASA to support only the ASA "titles" . Allison , you are member of this lovely group . Do know more about it ? I have entered and been confirmed, all flights are booked and paid . And the bikes have left by road already .

Wasp you truly know that this is not the only reason the entries are low.This has been discussed on other topics for the solos also ie:(CD6). People have lives other than National VMX and of course personal choices.
In saying that it would be interesting to see how many enter the future Victorian Nationals.That, I feel will be a large part of an answer to the political side of sidecars in Aust.This is not the place to start on about the not so good history of Aust Sidecars...
Steven & I  have made an effort to get our side moving and still are, if we can get another unit and I can persuade others we might have one more. 
A percentage of WA riders do sidecars and solo. 
I hopefully believe we are all trying to encourage the entry amount of sidecars
cheers

[VMX247]

This is bad,      I know but how late can we get another sidecar entry in STW996 
cheers

hey vandy010, do you want to spend another day at it  ?

[STW996]

Well not sure as the race order is now set and all the final instructions are going out tomorrow so they would have to contact Rachel (the race secretary) ASAP as it would be her call.

I am of the belief that the sidecars (all 4 off them) are included on the current program

Shane

[firko]

Who are these ASA people and what kind of bullshit is it when they think they can boycott an MA meeting? I find it all very hard to believe. Living in NSW where sidecar motocross barely ever existed I'm not familiar with the machinations of 3 wheeler politics but I do know is that this low entry list a pretty piss poor indication of the dedication of that group. There had to be 10 outfits at CD6 so where are those outfits when we need them? Are they staying at home because some clown from an association nobody outside of the movement has heard of has told them not to race? What a team of soft cock wimps!
If I was running the Nats I wouldn't have sidecars on the program (no disrespect Walter and Alison). What a bunch of hooey this is.

[VMX247]

Just got off the phone to Qld ,looks to be 5 at this stage..they won't be in the programme,but I sure that's of miner detail.  
we do need six to officially run though.
cheers

STW996 did the pre 60 and pre 65 class get a full grid   ?  thanks

wasp quote:What actually should be done , is to run the event with whatever entries we have , to show the ASA , that MA can do it .
well written

[JohnnyO]

From what i've heard pre 60 and pre 65 numbers are down and they're combining some classes to make up the numbers.

[Freakshow]

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Wasp you truly know that this is not the only reason the entries are low.This has been discussed on other topics for the solos also ie:(CD6). People have lives other than National VMX and of course personal choices.
In saying that it would be interesting to see how many enter the future Victorian Nationals.That, I feel will be a large part of an answer to the political side of sidecars in Aust.This is not the place to start on about the not so good history of Aust Sidecars...
Steven & I  have made an effort to get our side moving and still are, if we can get another unit and I can persuade others we might have one more. 
A percentage of WA riders do sidecars and solo. 
I hopefully believe we are all trying to encourage the entry amount of sidecars
cheers

VMX 247 , we are talking here about why the chairs are not coming . That can well be said publicly and should finally be dealt with by MA .And should not just be swept under the carpet as usual. You are a proud member of that ASA crowd , so if you are interested so much in sidecars , then reve up your ASA mates.
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Wasp you crack me up, any chance you get to try and blame ASa for sidecar issues you blame them, and shoot alison and Co there enthusiasm

What boycott ? it was long way to drag a chair as is this trip, they just cant be stuffed for a plastic trophy, anyhow you said you boycotted it yourself cause MA wouldnt  guarentee your wishes against certain other people attending, formats etc. never turned up in TAssie.

We have 8 guys with chairs in DT here ATM and there both MA and ASA riders and they arent going for any other reason than the time off work and cost to make that road trip.  

Which is strange cause some of those same guy's mysterously turn on your CMSR® website as being part of a so called CMSR® Classic Motocross Sidecar Teams, so if you put it like that then Blame your own so called CMSR® Classic Motocross Sidecar Team members for not attending.   Which in itself is hillarious when your blatently misrepresents those ridders integrety by trying to pretend they are somehow aligned with your own register, even some like Mick Dowling who wouldn piss on you and others like steve. w, & murray who hasnt steered for years and his son darren who is ASA anyway, even old andy's up there as CMSR® Classic Motocross Sidecar Team somehow seeminlgy all right in the thick of the Classic sidecars team accourding to your web page.    

I thought you had gotten over all this , but it seems you still like to pull out that old annorak out the cupboard and wave it about.  How about you clean up your act first and sort that pageout set some kind of example, rather than banging away on poor alison and all those other sidecars guys who are trying to keep the sport up and the politcis out, its so old news, so can you move on, and spend a bit more time perhaps getting YOUR actual side car mates to these event  ..........

[vandy010]

hey vandy010, do you want to spend another day at it  ?

thanks for the offer Alison but i'll decline.
there are a few "keen" swingers up this way from what i've heard, so a last minute passenger/rider shouldn't be too hard to figure.
Simon Broad could be a bloke to chase if it's a must do situation.
he's local and will be racing solo's.

[STW996]

Total number of pre 65 bikes is 19

pre 60 all powers 4
pre 65 solo 250 8
pre 65 open 7

I will (when I get time post details of class numbers)

Shane

[VMX247]

Total number of pre 65 bikes is 19
pre 60 all powers 4
pre 65 solo 250 8
pre 65 open 7
I will (when I get time post details of class numbers)
Shane

Not too bad-better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick   

hey vandy010, do you want to spend another day at it  ?

thanks for the offer Alison but i'll decline.
there are a few "keen" swingers up this way from what i've heard, so a last minute passenger/rider shouldn't be too hard to figure.
Simon Broad could be a bloke to chase if it's a must do situation.
he's local and will be racing solo's.

I reckon we will get a few at the last minute-they can to be like senior modern solo guys-just rock up, she'll be right mate .. ......also depends if the wonderful officials are having a good hair day   
cheers yours in filling the grid Alison

[firko]

What boycott ? it was long way to drag a chair as is this trip, , anyhow you said you boycotted it yourself cause MA wouldnt  guarentee your wishes against certain other people attending, formats etc. never turned up in TAssie.

I don't give a fig about boycotts, ASA, CMSR (whatever the hell that is) or whatever. Ever since day one of the Nationals back in 1992 the sidecar types have bleated to anyone who'd listen that they want to be included on the program and with the exception of WA or SA where people actually still like sidecars, they've showed their thanks for being included in the program by not showing up. You can bet on it every time.

If it's alright for everyone else to travel all over the country to race at what is our sports holy grail, the Nats, it shouldn't be a problem for the sidecar blokes. Don't use the "sidecars take a lot of room on the trailer" excuse as one bloke told me. They're the ones who chose that facet of the sport and they should be geard up for travel

they just cant be stuffed for a plastic trophy

this is an insult to everyone who goes to the effort to travel to race. Why should sidecar prima donnas be any different to someone with a solo? I don't know who's right or who's wrong within sidecar politics but suspect that everybody is acting in a way detrimental to the cause of sidecar racing.

Like I said earlier, if I was running the Nats sidecars would be off the program. It's time all of these factions got their shit into one bowl because it won't be very long before nobody takes them seriously any more. Don't believe me? Talk to anyone who's run a championship vintage meeting in recent years and ask what they think of the sidecar fraternity.

[shorelinemc]

Hey dont put us all in the same boat,dont care about politics,just want to ride.at the start of last year we had 2 sidecars running in QLD now have 5 + another being built,+ 1 more from central QLD (cant do titles work commitments)+another from gladstone cant ride heart probs.distance doesnt worry us ,went to proserpine last year-14hr drive straight thru.3 of our bikes went to sidecar spectacular in vic(an asaevent)
have bike will travel. so ride it and if you have nothing good to say dont say it

[Freakshow]

As per usual DR Freak , knows everything, knows everyone, get your facts right or buttout.

Facts speak for themselves walter  -  its your page it speaks for itself, defend it or change it.  http://www.yss-australia.com/SIDECAR/sidecar_news_index.html

There are enough side car guys running here and they seem to be doing whatever they are doing quite happily, they are obvioulsy speaking with there feet, ( or should that be chair)  and alas again  i have to agree with firko,( this is getting all to regular from my likeing),  if you cant get the numbers well its like every other class logic is they dont want a class and it should be dropped.

If in all of australia where there must be a over 50 classic chairs with 4 only the start is, as well as firko says embarrasing at the least.

Morgan MCC has a real big sidecar fraternity, llike hundred or so and Locally we have AT EACH ROUND THIS YEAR the likes of  long, williamson, clothier even neville Lush still pushes his Kwaka triple around in the State Dt series,  these guys are state and aussie champs.   IF they wanted to go they would have, so either they cant be stuffed or there is another reason, maybe you need to ask them whats missing in VMX nats for them to not take up the offer.

[VMX247]

from this side of the country to that side of the country,,,,,
Thanks so much for today's effort everyone, in getting the six on the line for a start on 7th,8th and 9th of August.
keep the chairs rollin 
cheers

[All Things 414]

Gawd. They get six of 'em at nearly every VCM meeting