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Clubroom => Bike Talk => Topic started by: Ted on January 20, 2014, 03:40:20 pm
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Can someone please point out to me where in the MoMS does it state one has to be fitted to the rear wheel for a EVO bike.
Cheers
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the word on the ground is that it will be back in for 2014 GCR's that have not yey been published!!!!!
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When do they normally publish it Noel. Thanks
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OK this is complicated. In the 2013 MOMS GCR 12.8.8.6 gave an exemption to CMX/CDT. However the commission meet on 20&21 April last year and recommended the exemption for CMX/CDT be removed. This was approved by the MA Board. They also approved the inclusion of a Ladies Class in Classic and Post Classic MX & DT. The link to the minutes is below.
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Reports___Minutes/2010/Commission_Meetings/2013_Commission_Minutes/24011037_Final_CMX_after_teleconference_CMX_Minutes_2013.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Reports___Minutes/2010/Commission_Meetings/2013_Commission_Minutes/24011037_Final_CMX_after_teleconference_CMX_Minutes_2013.pdf)
The new MOMS is now on line http://www.moms.org.au/ (http://www.moms.org.au/) The CMX/CDT section is up there and currently none of the changes approved by the MA Board are there, but that doesn't mean they won't be there at some stage soon.
Have I answered your question or just confused you more?
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Most of the bikes in tghe EVO class at the TBC were knocked back on this and we were told that it was not a classic title meeting and that the club enforces this rule regardles of what class of bike it is, regardles of what the moms says.
No guard No ride.
I think you will find that this will be the case at all club meetings in the near future if not to protect us but the marshalls as well.
There was a bloke getting around the pits that had a couple of scratchers missing due to an uncovered sprocket.
Just make one it aint that hard ;)
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I'll get one
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what is interesting with these new online MoM's is that they have left out
the" all disciplines" chapter with the reference to except from CMX/CDT
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How do you open up the MoMS at www.moms.org.au
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Everything that was in "All Disciplines" that related to each Discipline was put in again for that Discipline. However the GCR (Classic MX/DT) referring to the rear chain guard has not been carried over YET!!!!!! That doesn't mean it won' bet at some stage soon.
It is clear that there are officials in NSW that will enforce it anyway and I'm sure there are others that know it should be there.
As an extra I just double clicked on the moms link just now and it worked for me.
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Does the standard funny looking pretty useless one on the yz125d count as one?
There is a massive gap?
I will try and find a pic
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Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone explain what this means?
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
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Think this pertains to primary drive set up and acts like a protector against impact or the like .....if bolt is damaged or bent, it becomes a tell tail. This is my take, but then agian I may have it wrong ::)
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Does the standard funny looking pretty useless one on the yz125d count as one?
There is a massive gap?
I will try and find a pic
That will be fine Paul
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This shits me a bit. Having nickel plated frames makes it a bit harder to manufacture something without flucking up the nickel.
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Firko, Iain, Rod, Davey - when you come up with something that will fit a B will you let me know ;D I hadn't planned a trip back to Oz until just before the Nats - so if I have to do something I need to be ready.
Bugga - maybe!
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I'll build some that fit YZ A's and B's Ross.
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Just a thought , did anybody pass away because a chain support was not fitted?
I would have thought spokes going ten to the dozen would pose a far greater threat 8)
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Just a thought , did anybody pass away because a chain support was not fitted?
I would have thought spokes going ten to the dozen would pose a far greater threat 8)
Nahhh, I reckon most who ride motorcycles climbed up through the push bike ranks first.
Whether upside down or on a stand, with rag in hand cleaning our wheels, who resists the thrill of spinning
them and who hasn't had their fingers banged by spokes in the process ::) The usual is a lesson
accompanied with a little pain :( and not much more.
But you get any part of you fed in between a chain and a sprocket?? as leedo says "it ain't coming back", or growing back!, for that matter.
Brain wave :P Lets have a game of truth or dare Ted 8)
Lets put a running bike in gear on a stand. Lets say we both ware gloves.
I will feed my fingers into the spokes, just like a bitt of kids cardboard roarer, just like I have done a multitude of times.
You on the other hand(no pun intended :D) you feed your fingers into the unprotected unblocked lower access feed point between the chain and rear sprocket ::)
You have a spare don't you Ted?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hand
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/2012-05-05125303_zpse74e8676.jpg~original)
this is my neighbors hand as a result from a pushy cleaning chain accident when he was nine.
A shredder only shreds when it has something fed into it, but first it needs to be running.
I do think a tear-away lanyard kill switch isn't too much too ask though and I believe it would do a lot to drastically
reduce the risk and scenario of events leading to a screaming engine powered rear chain and sprocket shredder.
Unlikely????????? yes, but shit can and does occasionally happen :-\
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Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone explain what this means?
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
Yes this rule is referring the a chain primary drive and is aimed at Speedway and DT Long Track sliders. A Maico has a chain primary drive but it is inside the clutch cover.
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Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone explain what this means?
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
I think that is self explanatory,
If they meant rear sprocket, they would have said "rear sprocket"
If they meant counter sprocket, they would have said "counter sprocket"
In fact they have said clutch sprocket, so they probably mean "clutch sprocket"
Without going into the rule book to see in what context that rule was meant?
I imagine it would be that a bolt of not less than 10mm to absorb and/or contain a primary chain "let-go"
Don't some speedway bikes only have weight-saving plastic primary drive covers?
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Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone explain what this means?
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
Yes this rule is referring the a chain primary drive and is aimed at Speedway and DT Long Track sliders. A Maico has a chain primary drive but it is inside the clutch cover.
Spot on, I reckon, beat me to it by 1 minute and 32 seconds ;D ;D :)
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Back in the 90's at one of the Queens Birthday Greybeards meeting in Condo, South Aussie Bob Voumard was loading his CZ onto the trailer and asked a passer by to give him a hand. The poor bloke must have been a newbie as he picked the rear of the bike up with the chain or sprocket and they rolled it forward onto the trailer. I was walking past just as it happened and the blood curdling scream drew my attention to the severed finger sitting on the trailer. We all stood there staring at the digit for a few seconds before it dawned on us what had happened. They took the poor good Samaritan and his severed finger to the hospital but I never heard whether they'd managed to sow it back on again.
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Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone explain what this means?
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
Yes this rule is referring the a chain primary drive and is aimed at Speedway and DT Long Track sliders. A Maico has a chain primary drive but it is inside the clutch cover.
Spot on, I reckon, beat me to it by 1 minute and 32 seconds ;D ;D :)
Thanks guys.
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Does the standard funny looking pretty useless one on the yz125d count as one?
There is a massive gap?
I will try and find a pic
That will be fine Paul
In my opinion, no one should say whether a current bike is ok or not. I will try to clarify what is acceptable.
As for why this rule is there. It apparently started as a Road Race rule because some flaggies had trouble when picking up fallen bikes etc. (If you have a 2013 MOMS take a look at page 101, the sharp guard, these are like most modern chain guards). Also one of the early posts did mention flaggies at a MX who had also lost parts of fingers. Just another thing Darryl Beattie also lost several toes when he was highsided from a GP 500 and landed foot first into a spinning wheel.
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Back in the 90's at one of the Queens Birthday Greybeards meeting in Condo, South Aussie Bob Voumard was loading his CZ onto the trailer and asked a passer by to give him a hand. The poor bloke must have been a newbie as he picked the rear of the bike up with the chain or sprocket and they rolled it forward onto the trailer. I was walking past just as it happened and the blood curdling scream drew my attention to the severed finger sitting on the trailer. We all stood there staring at the digit for a few seconds before it dawned on us what had happened. They took the poor good Samaritan and his severed finger to the hospital but I never heard whether they'd managed to sow it back on again.
Yes, its a pain in ass, but it is of concern.
One thing I thank my father for, is showing me the danger of chains and sprockets when I got my first pushy.
And I am still very aware of it every time someone helps me load a bike.
Hummmm, if you were at work would you operate or allow anyone else to operate a machine with an unguarded or unprotected chain transmission drive?
The mick just doesn't need any more jobs but.
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So is this rule being imposed on Evolution class only or is it for all classes? I'm not about to weld lugs on my B50's nickel plated swingarm. 1st, there's the cost of replating the swingarm, 2nd, the bike didn't have one in the first place. What a crock pot full of molasses! MOTORCYCLING IS A DANGEROUS SPORT....and the rest of the blurb we hear all the time at riders briefings.... Next thing we will be required to wear air bag suits and have outrigger wheels on our bikes so we don't fall off.
If the problem lies with flaggies getting injured picking up motorcycles, why is there never any briefing for them. I have asked officialdom this before when I have marshaled at various events, big and small, because I realise not everybody who volunteers for duty is familiar with the dangers of a hot or running motorcycle. They always say there will be a briefing for flaggies, but it never happens. At the last Broadford Classic Nats, a flaggie got a pretty nasty burnt hand by attempting to pick up a fallen bike by the exhaust! Do we need to cover exhausts as well? Come on, common sense should dictate that ALL FLAGGIES OR MARSHALS NEED TO BE BRIEFED ON THE DANGERS OF MOTORCYCLES PRIOR TO AN EVENT STARTING. Not all flaggies know to look PAST the corner/obstacle they are at either, which is another area that needs to be addressed.
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Could someone pop up a photo or drawing of a generic guard ? Just to to let me and perhaps others get a grasp of what this all pertains to. Thanks Tim754
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So is this rule being imposed on Evolution class only or is it for all classes? I'm not about to weld lugs on my B50's nickel plated swingarm. 1st, there's the cost of replating the swingarm, 2nd, the bike didn't have one in the first place. What a crock pot full of molasses! MOTORCYCLING IS A DANGEROUS SPORT....and the rest of the blurb we hear all the time at riders briefings.... Next thing we will be required to wear air bag suits and have outrigger wheels on our bikes so we don't fall off.
If the problem lies with flaggies getting injured picking up motorcycles, why is there never any briefing for them. I have asked officialdom this before when I have marshaled at various events, big and small, because I realise not everybody who volunteers for duty is familiar with the dangers of a hot or running motorcycle. They always say there will be a briefing for flaggies, but it never happens. At the last Broadford Classic Nats, a flaggie got a pretty nasty burnt hand by attempting to pick up a fallen bike by the exhaust! Do we need to cover exhausts as well? Come on, common sense should dictate that ALL FLAGGIES OR MARSHALS NEED TO BE BRIEFED ON THE DANGERS OF MOTORCYCLES PRIOR TO AN EVENT STARTING. Not all flaggies know to look PAST the corner/obstacle they are at either, which is another area that needs to be addressed.
Education is certainly the only cure for ignorance, for sure.
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I got this email from the trials club last night;
Hi all.
We hope everyone has had a well deserved holiday.
Attached is the calander for 2014 with 5 rounds and 3 " Run what you brung days"
We also will be hosting the Nsw classic and post classic championships with hopefully a support class of sidecars.
Please help by spreading the word about our club so we can get some new and old members for 2014.
*** LANYARD CUT OUT SWITCHES****
These are compulsory please ensure these are in place by our first round in March.
We Look forward to seeing everyone in March.
Kind regards Megan.
I am OK with this one, lets face it, if you cant fit a tear-away lanyard kill switch,,, welll you probably don't know what to do with toilet paper or shoe-laces either ::)
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Tim's eureka thought of the day: The diametrically opposite of commonsense is cotton wool. ::)
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Tim's eureka thought of the day: The diametrically opposite of commonsense is cotton wool. ::)
Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have no idea why I am laughin my tits off, but at least I am laughing ;D
Thanks ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D
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I got this email from the trials club last night;
Hi all.
We hope everyone has had a well deserved holiday.
Attached is the calander for 2014 with 5 rounds and 3 " Run what you brung days"
We also will be hosting the Nsw classic and post classic championships with hopefully a support class of sidecars.
Please help by spreading the word about our club so we can get some new and old members for 2014.
*** LANYARD CUT OUT SWITCHES****
These are compulsory please ensure these are in place by our first round in March.
We Look forward to seeing everyone in March.
Kind regards Megan.
I am OK with this one, lets face it, if you cant fit a tear-away lanyard kill switch,,, welll you probably don't know what to do with toilet paper or shoe-laces either ::)
So lanyard kill switches are compulsory not only for the sidecars at this meeting but all machines. I'm getting sick of Clubs/Promoters making up their own rules.
Read the MOMS you can't just put your own rules in.
As for what a Rear Chain Guard should look like. Easy there is one advertised for sale in the 2013 MOMS page 101. They should do a job similar to that one.
Kevin
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I've got no problem with lanyard cut off switches, in fact I reckon they should be compulsory on all race bikes in all disciplines. This rear sprocket guard thing however annoys the shit out of me . All of my swing arms are nickel plated and I'm loathe to ruin the nickel plating by welding on a bracket to mount the guard. As a former government department OH&S officer who was frustrated by ever changing legislation and standards, I see this as another example of OH&S making us more and more compliant to Big Brothers (Insurance Companies) whims.
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Who comes up with all this shit ? Whats it going to be next .
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Who comes up with all this shit ? Whats it going to be next .
I see this as another example of OH&S making us more and more compliant to Big Brothers (Insurance Companies) whims.
Next thing we will be required to wear air bag suits and have outrigger wheels on our bikes so we don't fall off.
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Back in the 90's at one of the Queens Birthday Greybeards meeting in Condo, South Aussie Bob Voumard was loading his CZ onto the trailer and asked a passer by to give him a hand. The poor bloke must have been a newbie as he picked the rear of the bike up with the chain or sprocket and they rolled it forward onto the trailer. I was walking past just as it happened and the blood curdling scream drew my attention to the severed finger sitting on the trailer. We all stood there staring at the digit for a few seconds before it dawned on us what had happened. They took the poor good Samaritan and his severed finger to the hospital but I never heard whether they'd managed to sow it back on again.
Above is a good example of why the guard is needed. Some poor good Samaritan possibly looses a couple of fingers (hopefully they were able to reattach them). He could have been a pianist or guitarist or someone who needed good dexterity. Just imagine the payout. When a problem is identified sometimes it can't be ignored.
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Next you'll want full chain gaurds like on the old ag bikes.
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Next you'll want full chain gaurds like on the old ag bikes.
It's not me that wants it. Don't get up the messenger. I'm just saying don't ignore it because it will come back to bite you.
I just hope all the Histairical Road Race bikes have got them.
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I got this email from the trials club last night;
Hi all.
We hope everyone has had a well deserved holiday.
Attached is the calander for 2014 with 5 rounds and 3 " Run what you brung days"
We also will be hosting the Nsw classic and post classic championships with hopefully a support class of sidecars.
Please help by spreading the word about our club so we can get some new and old members for 2014.
*** LANYARD CUT OUT SWITCHES****
These are compulsory please ensure these are in place by our first round in March.
We Look forward to seeing everyone in March.
Kind regards Megan.
I am OK with this one, lets face it, if you cant fit a tear-away lanyard kill switch,,, welll you probably don't know what to do with toilet paper or shoe-laces either ::)
So lanyard kill switches are compulsory not only for the sidecars at this meeting but all machines. I'm getting sick of Clubs/Promoters making up their own rules.
Read the MOMS you can't just put your own rules in.
As for what a Rear Chain Guard should look like. Easy there is one advertised for sale in the 2013 MOMS page 101. They should do a job similar to that one.
Kevin
After having read several different Commission minutes it would appear that the Moto Trials Commission has recommended the use of lanyard kill switches for Moto Trials. It was approved by the MA Board. No other Commissions have made the same recommendation including Dirt Track.
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YES the cam make their on rules up if its in the supp regs then you have to abide by them or dont ride.
aust dirt track nats trials tyers only(supp reg rules)
jim
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ALL FLAGGIES OR MARSHALS NEED TO BE BRIEFED ON THE DANGERS OF MOTORCYCLES PRIOR TO AN EVENT
Yeah a briefing will work. I've been marshalling at events for more than 30yrs and thought I knew what was dangerous, until I tried to pick up an AJS that's laying in the mud at the Classic nats. Add one more thing to the long list. Had a sore back for weeks.
But your right uneducated flaggies should not be picking up bikes.
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I didn't think it was a flaggies job even to touch a bike. I thought they just stood there either waving or not a flag.
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I didn't think it was a flaggies job even to touch a bike. I thought they just stood there either waving or not a flag.
There are times when a rider needs help picking up a bike or they might be injured and physically can not pick up their downed machine. Other times the bike might be in an awkward or dangerous position so in an effort to keep the race going smoothly, the bike needs to be removed ASAP.
Other than those scenarios, you are right about not touching a bike. All of this could be outlined and impressed upon flaggies and marshals at a briefing, BEFORE THE EVENT STARTS. To me it seems that the flaggies are treated with the old "she'll be right" attitude, and seeing as the people who volunteer their time for us to ride, they should be educated on the processes, what flag colours mean and the inherent dangers involved to themselves and the riders IF they don't follow the code.
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The marshal's main job is to warn the oncoming riders, but there are circumstances when they are needed to remove a bike from the track. So saying they shouldn't touch the bikes doesn't work. Also if a rider is trapped under a bike they shouldn't be expected to just stand there. If it is safe to go remove the bike they can.
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The marshal's main job is to warn the oncoming riders, but there are circumstances when they are needed to remove a bike from the track. So saying they shouldn't touch the bikes doesn't work. Also if a rider is trapped under a bike they shouldn't be expected to just stand there. If it is safe to go remove the bike they can.
This is why whenever I 'wave a flag' at the top corner on the Nepean main straight I'm always happier if there is a "picker upper'with me.
Just about everyone who has raced or practiced at Nepean a few years has dropped the plot at that cornerpancho
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Think this pertains to primary drive set up and acts like a protector against impact or the like .....if bolt is damaged or bent, it becomes a tell tail. This is my take, but then agian I may have it wrong ::)
yes its fitted on speedway typre motors so when the primary chain lets go the it catches it not your arse. if they have a completely fitted cover AKA like those steel matchless one then no required but it its fibreglass or plastic you need a primary bolt catcher.
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2014 MOMS
Section 16D Tech Regs for Classic MX and Dirt Track states:
16.15.4 Drive Chain Protection
16.15.4.1 Primary drives (the drive connecting engine to clutch) must be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
16.15.4.2 The guard must be constructed of:
a.Metal having a minimum thickness of 1.6mm, which may be mesh or expanded metal provided the openings do not exceed 10mm, or
b.Fibreglass having a minimum thickness of 3mm.
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
16.15.4.4 Projecting sprockets, which are not behind a clutch assembly or directly behind a frame member, must be guarded where the sprocket teeth are further than 30mm from a frame member or swinging arm.
16.15.4.5 A counter shaft sprocket which is more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm pivot must be covered.
All about the Primary Sprocket nothing about the rear sprocket
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Thanks for clearing that up Tossa
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There goes the fresh nickel plating on my 750 and other nickel bikes >:(. If that's the new rule I guess we'll have to comply but that doesn't stop me from being a bit peeved at having to do it. I'll sit down and see if there's a way of mounting it without welding but I'm not hopeful of a neat and sturdy solution doing it that way. If anyone has already fitted a guard to their bike/s could you post some photos to give us a bit of a clue to what's needed and to glean ideas from?
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There goes the fresh nickel plating on my 750 and other nickel bikes >:(. If that's the new rule I guess we'll have to comply but that doesn't stop me from being a bit peeved at having to do it. I'll sit down and see if there's a way of mounting it without welding but I'm not hopeful of a neat and sturdy solution doing it that way. If anyone has already fitted a guard to their bike/s could you post some photos to give us a bit of a clue to what's needed and to glean ideas from?
It only mentions the primary sprocket from what I read Mark nothing to do with the rear wheel
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2014 MOMS
Section 16D Tech Regs for Classic MX and Dirt Track states:
16.15.4 Drive Chain Protection
16.15.4.1 Primary drives (the drive connecting engine to clutch) must be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
16.15.4.2 The guard must be constructed of:
a.Metal having a minimum thickness of 1.6mm, which may be mesh or expanded metal provided the openings do not exceed 10mm, or
b.Fibreglass having a minimum thickness of 3mm.
16.15.4.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
16.15.4.4 Projecting sprockets, which are not behind a clutch assembly or directly behind a frame member, must be guarded where the sprocket teeth are further than 30mm from a frame member or swinging arm.
16.15.4.5 A counter shaft sprocket which is more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm pivot must be covered.
All about the Primary Sprocket nothing about the rear sprocket
16.15.4 states drive chains so does not limited it to primaries drive chains
16.15.4.1 is certainly related to primaries as it states that
16.15.4.2 & 3 do not indicate what they relate to but appear to be related to primaries but could also be related to final drives.
16.15.4.4 relates to projecting sprockets and relates equally to primary or secondary drives. the mention of clutches, frame members and swingarms seems to
make it equally applicable to primary and final drive chains.
16.15.4.5 relates to countershaft sprockets which is certainly final drive chain
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Firko, I'm sure with a bit of Aussie ingenuity you could make a clamp system that bolts around the swingarm and you then mount the rear chain guide to it. It wont be hard. Even that homo Lizzie Taylor could do it. ;D
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how perdantic is the writing, so many different ways of looking at it. All dependent on the machine examiners interpretation. no clarity what so ever
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God forbid - I even agree with Joan - was thinking that maybe something could be clamped rather than welded and bolted more permanent.
Mate - have you finished my header pipe yet ;D he he he!
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so is the rear sprocket more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm?
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so is the rear sprocket more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm?
The lower chain run onto the rear sprocket in most cases would be.
Early in this thread Noel, I think, mentioned that the MA CD commission had recommended the removal of the CDT/CMX exemptions that was mentioned in the minutes highlighted by someone else and that all seems to indicate their intent to require the rear sprocket be guarded. I am not a fan of it either but most people try to present a bike that complies.
You are also correct that it is not bloddy clear if rule 16.15.4 was ment to apply only to the primary drive it should say that and then why mention countershaft sprocket ???
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these type of clamp available from boating shops in varius sizes in stainless steel
Have a look at the images section in a google search for split clamps for inspiration
noel
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so is the rear sprocket more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm?
Generally I'd say no but the way it's worded could mean on diameter & then it becomes a yes, official could take it either way
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To make it even more confusing
Rule 16.15.4.5 A counter shaft sprocket which is more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm pivot must be covered.
Then in every period guidelines from Pre60 through to Pre90 it states that a sprocket cover must be fitted which renders 16.15.4.5 redundant ::)
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the wording is "swing arm pivot"
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So.....it's only the countershaft we need to cover? I'm confused.
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No firko,
It has just turned into an other debate about the rules as written
Noel
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You want to confuse it any more the only mention with modern bikes is theis (well all I can find)
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
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the wording is "swing arm pivot"
Yes Noel swingarm pivot is mentioned in 16.15.4.5 relating to countershaft sprockets but not mentioned in regard to projection sprockets 16.15.4.4
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but wait theres more in Enduro and reliability they actually mention final drive sprocket:
17.18.7 Drive Chain Protection
17.18.7.1 Primary drives (the drive connecting engine to clutch) must be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
17.18.7.2 The guard must be constructed of:
a.Metal having a minimum thickness of 1.6mm, which may be mesh or expanded metal provided the openings do not exceed 10mm, or
b.Fibreglass having a minimum thickness of 3mm.
17.18.7.3 If a plastic, fibreglass or part open chain guard is used, a steel bolt of not less than 10mm diameter, placed outside the bottom rear quadrant of the clutch sprocket. This bolt, if damaged, must be replaced.
17.18.7.4 Projecting sprockets, which are not behind a clutch assembly or directly behind a frame member, must be guarded where the sprocket teeth are further than 30mm from a frame member or swinging arm.
17.18.7.5 A counter shaft sprocket which is more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm pivot, must be covered.
17.18.7.6 A chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain run and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
Three different disciplines three different rules WTF.
My interpretation is this that nowhere in our regs does it mention the words Final Drive Sprocket (rear wheel) therefore the only one that needs covering is the primary (motor end) Two different sprockets primary (motor) final drive (rear wheel)
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Yep just reading that as well. So if you enter your classic into open competition there are three seperate rules on the same thing :o
But where does that leave us as Dirt Track seems to be the only one with a specific reference to a rear sprocket ???
It seemed we needed a rear sprocket guard now not so sure but why the differences.
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Don't forget that Mom's are read in conjunction with sup reg's which could include/delete certain Items if aproved
;D ;D :o
Noel
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To cover any future scrutineering dramas I'll fit suitable covers to both countershaft and rear wheel sprocket. I've pretty much always run countershaft sprocket covers on my bikes but the brave new world where I've never tread before is in making my rear sprocket finger proof.
Below: My Maico is easy. I've had the stainless steel countershaft cover on it for thirty years and it shouldn't be very hard to mount something off my rear brake stay for the rear.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/camden11_zps4930db11.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/camden11_zps4930db11.jpg.html)
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Yep just reading that as well. So if you enter your classic into open competition there are three seperate rules on the same thing :o
But where does that leave us as Dirt Track seems to be the only one with a specific reference to a rear sprocket ???
It seemed we needed a rear sprocket guard now not so sure but why the differences.
That's my point reading the Dirt Track regs it mentions;
20.16.8.6 A chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain run and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
specific mentioning of the sprocket cover requirements
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Glad I live in NZ this is all covered by the rule #1 = Load bike go to track and enjoy your self
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So I asked a question in the first post of this topic.... Do you have to fit a chain guard to the rear sprocket of a Evo bike?
I am lost in the five pages.
Yes or No?
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Glad I live in NZ this is all covered by the rule #1 = Load bike go to track and enjoy your self
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My opinion by the way they have written itr and the fact there is no mention of final drive sprocket within Classic MX/ Dirttrack ---- NO
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Thanks Tossa
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Don't forget that Mom's are read in conjunction with sup reg's which could include/delete certain Items if aproved
;D ;D :o
Noel
OK lets get one thing straight Supp Regs can not include or delete GCRs.
As it stands now in the new MOMS www.moms.org.au (http://www.moms.org.au) Classic MX & DT do not have to have the rear chain guard, but they do have to have the front sprocket guard. Primary drive is something else eg Maico chain primary drive.
However the minutes from the Classic MX & DT Commission which have been approved by the MA Board do say that the exemption for Classic MX & DT is to be taken out of the old rule 12.8.8.6. So sooner or later Classic MX & DT bikes will have to have a rear chain guard. The modern chain guides have been accepted on the modern bikes so that will be good enough.
The fact that the current on line version of MOMS does not say this yet doesn't mean it won't sometime soon. When they were put online they just used the 2013 MOMS and haven't updated them yet. Proof of this is the fact that the new Women's Classic MX class isn't in the online version but we have been told they are approved.
There is a committee that is looking into getting everything up to date in the new MOMS.
Kevin
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Hypothetical....A day out from the Nats MA release on the web that a guard is needed. Not much good to someone travelling from interstate. Will you guys publish a cutoff date for any intended rulings by others.
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It's not up to me. All I know is that it should be there and I asked Dave Tanner and he said their intention was that Classic and Post Classic MX DT should comply the same as all the other disciplines. I will point it out to MA. The Womens class is in the new MOMS now so they listened to that.
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In my mind ,The rear sprocket guard should be there to save fingers ;) even if the rules say yes or no
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Ok so does anyone have a photo or diagram of one they can post up here.
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Don't forget that Mom's are read in conjunction with sup reg's which could include/delete certain Items if aproved
;D ;D :o
Noel
OK lets get one thing straight Supp Regs can not include or delete GCRs.
Kevin
If I remember correctly at the 2012 National Classic's at QLD motorpark sup regs included a paragraph that exempted bikes from the chain gaurd that had been included in that years GCR's.
and I have no doubt that a club or promotoer could include the use of a chain gaurd even if it was not in the Mom,s if approved by SCB's or MA
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Should look like the moderns , they cover the start of the sprocket so your fingers don't fit between the start of the sprocket and chain area.
would post a pic but cant
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All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
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Don't forget that Mom's are read in conjunction with sup reg's which could include/delete certain Items if aproved
;D ;D :o
Noel
OK lets get one thing straight Supp Regs can not include or delete GCRs.
Kevin
If I remember correctly at the 2012 National Classic's at QLD motorpark sup regs included a paragraph that exempted bikes from the chain gaurd that had been included in that years GCR's.
and I have no doubt that a club or promotoer could include the use of a chain gaurd even if it was not in the Mom,s if approved by SCB's or MA
I don't know which supp-regs you saw but I didn't see that clause. Supp-regs can not over rule GCRs. In exceptional circumstances MA (I stress MA) may permit something to be over ruled.
If you want to see what a guard should look like take a look at the one on page 101 of the 2013 MOMS. It is time to get MA (or the Commission) to say what they think will comply. A lot of bikes have already got chain guides that restrict fingers from getting into the rear wheel. I think it is the bikes that haven't got anything at all that need something.
One problem will be scrutineers or clubs that don't accept an intrepidation of the rule. We need everyone to be on the same page.
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All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
Yes accidents do happen, but if the controlling body see a potentional problem they either accept the risk or do something about it. The rule GCR 12.8.8.6 has been there for a number of years now. The Commission obtained an exemption from it in the past (eg 2013 MOMS) but now for what ever reason have decided that Classic MX and DT should comply. Histairical Road Racing have to have a guard 16.4.2.12 and to my knowledge all other disciplines have to have a guard. So Classic MX & DT is just doing the same as everyone else.
Ask the Historic Road Racers how they fit a guard.
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All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
Yes accidents do happen, but if the controlling body see a potentional problem they either accept the risk or do something about it. The rule GCR 12.8.8.6 has been there for a number of years now. The Commission obtained an exemption from it in the past (eg 2013 MOMS) but now for what ever reason have decided that Classic MX and DT should comply. Histairical Road Racing have to have a guard 16.4.2.12 and to my knowledge all other disciplines have to have a guard. So Classic MX & DT is just doing the same as everyone else.
Ask the Historic Road Racers who they fit a guard.
Once again all in the reading in Historic Road racing the wording Final drive sprocket is used, with no mention of the primary drive. Where there is no mention in Classix MX/Dirtack
Historic
14.16.2.10 Where the exhaust system or swing arm does not shield the sprocket a chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in such a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
and in moderns only the primary needs covering
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
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All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
Now come on ::) since when has the commision or the governing body been interested in doing anything to improve or make the sport more user friendly for the licence holder ?
Its all about wearing the badge ;)
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All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
Yes accidents do happen, but if the controlling body see a potentional problem they either accept the risk or do something about it. The rule GCR 12.8.8.6 has been there for a number of years now. The Commission obtained an exemption from it in the past (eg 2013 MOMS) but now for what ever reason have decided that Classic MX and DT should comply. Histairical Road Racing have to have a guard 16.4.2.12 and to my knowledge all other disciplines have to have a guard. So Classic MX & DT is just doing the same as everyone else.
Ask the Historic Road Racers who they fit a guard.
Once again all in the reading in Historic Road racing the wording Final drive sprocket is used, with no mention of the primary drive. Where there is no mention in Classix MX/Dirtack
Historic
14.16.2.10 Where the exhaust system or swing arm does not shield the sprocket a chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in such a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
and in moderns only the primary needs covering
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
final drive sprocket at the rear wheel. That says to me that the rear sprocket has to have a guard. We aren't talking about primary drive that is covered elsewhere. The Historic rule is 16.4.2.12 too not 14.
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So,at this point in time
road bike = yes
dirt bike = no
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rear chain support :) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
Yes accidents do happen, but if the controlling body see a potentional problem they either accept the risk or do something about it. The rule GCR 12.8.8.6 has been there for a number of years now. The Commission obtained an exemption from it in the past (eg 2013 MOMS) but now for what ever reason have decided that Classic MX and DT should comply. Histairical Road Racing have to have a guard 16.4.2.12 and to my knowledge all other disciplines have to have a guard. So Classic MX & DT is just doing the same as everyone else.
Ask the Historic Road Racers who they fit a guard.
Once again all in the reading in Historic Road racing the wording Final drive sprocket is used, with no mention of the primary drive. Where there is no mention in Classix MX/Dirtack
Historic
14.16.2.10 Where the exhaust system or swing arm does not shield the sprocket a chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in such a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
and in moderns only the primary needs covering
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
final drive sprocket at the rear wheel. That says to me that the rear sprocket has to have a guard. We aren't talking about primary drive that is covered elsewhere. The Historic rule is 16.4.2.12 too not 14.
your looking at 2013 I'm looking at 2014 Historic racing is chapter 14 on the 2014 MOMS
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rear chain guard,lol :D :D :D :D
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So do we need to consider using solid wheels as well? Afterall, there is potential for fingers to get caught in a spoke wheel.....
All these friggin rule changes are a joke! Has the commission nothing better to do than look for POTENTIAL problems? If so, what are they doing in their role? Surely they should be looking at ways of improving the sport and making it EASIER to compete, not adding more rules that do nothing to improve the sport and only frustrate the owner/rider of the bike(s).
I've seen fingers chopped off at work. I've seen fingers chopped off at ice skating. I've seen a bloke stabbed through chest with his own surfboard. Pedestrians get bowled over all the time. Bike riders get cleaned up on a regular basis. People trip over chips in shopping centres......and on it goes. Point is, you can't stop stupid from being stupid and you can't wrap society in cotton wool.
Yes, people get injured riding and even working on motorcycles, but that's the way it has always been and no stupid rule(s) is ever going to change that.
I won't be fitting any chain guard to any of my bikes. PERIOD
Yes accidents do happen, but if the controlling body see a potentional problem they either accept the risk or do something about it. The rule GCR 12.8.8.6 has been there for a number of years now. The Commission obtained an exemption from it in the past (eg 2013 MOMS) but now for what ever reason have decided that Classic MX and DT should comply. Histairical Road Racing have to have a guard 16.4.2.12 and to my knowledge all other disciplines have to have a guard. So Classic MX & DT is just doing the same as everyone else.
Ask the Historic Road Racers how they fit a guard.
Come on.... The whole world of motorcycling is a potential risk, whether that's riding to work, playing in the back yard, out trail riding or racing .... Life itself is a potential risk.
Fair enough if a guide/guard has been removed from a bike, but why do we, the riders, racers and owners, the people who pay for licenses and club fees etc., the people who entertain the crowds, have to accept what the commission and or MA decide what is best for us. If we all stand together and say we aren't going to be retro fitting chain guards to our old bikes, so therefore we can't ride said bike, who is going to pay these badge wearers wages? Who is going to entertain the crowds? No riders = no money! It's about time democracy came into play instead of this dictorial crap that is happening at the moment.
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There is a lot of confusion about all this. Please note all other disciplines other than Classic MX and DT have to fit the guards.
http://moms.org.au/rules/16-historic-road-racing/16-4-eligibility-historic-road-racing/#section-14-16 (http://moms.org.au/rules/16-historic-road-racing/16-4-eligibility-historic-road-racing/#section-14-16) This is the Historic Road Race rule
"14.16.2.10 Where the exhaust system or swing arm does not shield the sprocket a chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in such a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel."
Also please note the guard isn't a guard over the rear sprocket it is more like a modern bikes CHAIN GUIDE
Also most Classic and Post Classic bikes already have something in place that will do the job required.
The purpose of the Chain Guard (Guide) is to reduce the risk of someone's hand (fingers) going into the rear sprocket with the chain. A modern chain guide does that job.
I'm sure the legal profession would have a field day if someone lost fingers because nothing was there, especially if all other disciplines of Motorcycling Sport including Historic Road Racing had a rule saying something should be there.
Saying they weren't there when they were new doesn't work. How many Historic Racing machines now have things fitted that they didn't back in the day. Roll Bars for one, also drivers/riders don't wear pudding basin helmets or no seat belts etc.
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;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Chain guide...lol ;D ;D ;D
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I'm sure the legal profession would have a field day if someone lost fingers because nothing was there, especially if all other disciplines of Motorcycling Sport including Historic Road Racing had a rule saying something should be there.
Saying they weren't there when they were new doesn't work. How many Historic Racing machines now have things fitted that they didn't back in the day. Roll Bars for one, also drivers/riders don't wear pudding basin helmets or no seat belts etc.
And that is where with all the best intentions in the world the rule makers play right into the hands of the PC mob and legal eagles out to make a commission on a suing ::)
KISS the more you say or in this case write down the more ammunition you give these pricks . Have many of you competed in an AMA event ? it may have changed now but the rules were written on an A4 piece of paper you signed on at the gate ( and this was at Ponca city a kids national event .
WTF ever happened to common sense ???
I spent the weekend at a National Classic road race event , they run under MNZ rules and yet there were so many exposed primary drives clutch , primary gear , chain and all ;D even I thought fork that but hey its their fingers . A lot of these blokes come to Aussie to race and bring their bikes so do they have to fit primary covers to race ? in a lot of cases it didn't look like a 5 minute job to fit something .
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I hear there is a new rule comeing out, the bike and rider has to be completely wrapped in bubble wrap and all the bubbles must be inflated anyone popping the bubbles will get only 1 warning and if bubble bursting continues they will be asked to leave
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When I started this thread I thought I would get a simple yes or no in maybe three posts max.
Not seven pages.
Well it ain't written anywhere pertaining to the bike I enquired about so it's not going on.
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Shelpi that's OSH approved bubble wrap!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Shelpi that's OSH approved bubble wrap!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Shit, the bubble wrap must be of an industrial std the UN #666 with the manufactures msda, jsa and wtf A
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My whole problem for the lot is every discipline had a different set of standards. Me, I will not be placing a final drive chain guard on my bikes, because as i read it, it's not required for our discipline
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I hear there is a new rule comeing out, the bike and rider has to be completely wrapped in bubble wrap and all the bubbles must be inflated anyone popping the bubbles will get only 1 warning and if bubble bursting continues they will be asked to leave
Your a bubbly guy.....your fu...ked ;D ;D ;D
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I hear there is a new rule comeing out, the bike and rider has to be completely wrapped in bubble wrap and all the bubbles must be inflated anyone popping the bubbles will get only 1 warning and if bubble bursting continues they will be asked to leave
Yer thats rule number 1.
Rule number 2 is Rider can also be wrapped up in cotton wool :)
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Cotton wool is ONLY to be used on dry days.
The penetrometer must not penetrate the earths surface by more than 29.5mm adjacent to a mark being 43.25mm to the SSE of bottom triple clamp mounting bolt (left side ) If it exceeds this penetration it will be deemed a wet day and bubble wrap will be enforced.
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cotton wool should be pump with fire retardant in case of fire with a certificate of proof as well as msds for cotton wool and fire retardant.it will be presented to the scrutineer as well as your numbers on your back before you may compete in any ma permitted meeting.
I was hoping this reply would pump it out to 8 pages.
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Yes....8 pages of BS.
Other than industrial bubble wrap and cotton wool, can't we just avoid the need for protection by fitting out rigger wheels when we ride on bumpy tracks. That will stop a lot of falls.....and prevent fingers from getting caught in chains and sprockets ::)
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if its in the new chapter online then its gotta be on the bike Ted.
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what a crock of shite!! Rule #2387.62B clearly states Riders must wear Titanium chain mail gloves
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if its in the new chapter online then its gotta be on the bike Ted.
[/quote
If
Is it there?
If so, where is it?
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There is nothing in the chapter on Classic MX/Dirt track that talks of the final drive sprocket having to be covered Only the primary drive
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There is nothing in the chapter on Classic MX/Dirt track that talks of the final drive sprocket having to be covered Only the primary drive
Exactly
2013 MANUAL OF MOTORCYCLE SPORT
Chapter 12
12.1
APPLICATION OF CHAPTER
12.1.0.1
The Rules set out in this chapter are for all
disciplines.
But then when you get to
12.8.8.6
Other than CMX/CDT,
a chain guard
made of suitable material must be fitted
in a way to prevent trapping between the
lower drive chain run and the final drive
sprocket at the rear wheel.
and I often think, I am so lacking when it comes to comprehension skills, for the written word :o
I guess some just love wearing skirts and acting out drama (queens) ::)
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See where it says other than
I am interpreting that as>>>>> Chain entrapment guards on rear sprockets are necessary for every discipline except Classic MX and Classic Dirt track
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Well done Mick D, However the minutes of the CMX&CDT commission which were approved by the MA Board ask for the exemption to be removed. It isn't in the new MOMS yet. But MA are aware of the omission, it is only a matter of time.
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Well OK then, since it is the beginning of the season, maybe a grace period for compliance would be in order if they are going to list it as an update for the yet to be published 2014 moms?
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I see other compliance's, such as limiting suspension travel for one example. As a much bigger job, but we all have sucked it up and complied.
If it comes down to comply or park it with this one? than the answer is easy. Rub it in the dirt(dummy) and tell some one who will reckon your hard done by again :'(, or get off your keyboard and grab your drill and jig saw.
A 1mm-ish piece of flat steel(stainless) plate
or- 3mm-ish aluminum plate
or- just add a roughy from 3mm-ish plastic lid of the a-hole neighbors wheelie bin to start with. Just cable tie it in place so no one can put their fingers or clothing between the chain as it feeds on to the return lower portion of the rear sprocket. Then after the first race, you can spy some clever fuks master-piece and copy it. Hell you could even bullshit how clever you are then.
I am pretty sure all bikes have Chain guides,,,,,,,,,don't they?? well there your attachment point.
We all seem to show of how clever we are on a resto when we locate and drill holes in new plastics, etc. Well this is just as simple, is just a flat plate.
If you are inclined to over engineer,,,,well then create an attachment point to accommodate a longer bolt on the lower shock mounting point(spacer if necessary).
Or in the case of a single shock,,,,if you feel like you need a different attachment point?? use metal plate and machine the same equivalent thickness of your axle spacer and use your axle to locate it. link a second point to anywhere ,,,,,so easy.
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OK here is the 2014 MOMS that they have released on a website to which i keep refering. 2013 is now dead this is the new moms hope the bloody link works
from MA: quote
The manual contains the rules and guidelines for participating in and conducting Motorcycle Sport, and includes the General Competition Rules as well as other relevant information on Motorcycle Sport.
The rules are designed to ensure fair and safe competition for all involved.
Rule changes made in the last 12 months have been bolded, and rule deletions made in the last 12 months have been struck through. Any new rule changes come into effect on 1 January 2014.
A MoMS application for mobile devices will be available soon. The MoMS website and app is provided for members to access the General Competition Rules in lieu of printed manuals provided in previous years.
http://moms.org.au/
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OK then, our beloved NSW MA website seems to not have updated yet.
http://www.motorcycling.com.au/pg_disp.php?page=p05 (http://www.motorcycling.com.au/pg_disp.php?page=p05)
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tytpical isn't Mick depends where you look as to whether they are all up to date I received my copy last week by email from MA, that's all i can say. I then just checked MA's website to see that I was correct. No wonder there are so many arguements over regs when the governing bodies can't get there sh*** together
cheers
Barry
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So true ;D
Anyhow,,,,, I am going to give up for a while and wait to see if some one else can find the relative inclusion in the new 2014 Moms,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Because, I cannot find it.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o ::)
for the love of crumb cake :-[
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since this has come down to a MOMS thing - simple question - when did back protectors become compulsory?
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find it in writing before you mention it Ross, I've never seen it, though i haven't looked for it. Its the same as kill switches and handle bar padding, no mention in MOMS for Classic MX about having to have them. Few discussions were had at the NATS over kill switches. No mention in MOMS therefore not legally required
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16.8.4 Minimum requirements of protective clothing
Rider responsibility: It is the responsibility of the rider to select a helmet and apparel that will provide appropriate protection. Although MA approves materials, MA does not endorse or guarantee specific products or manufacturers. Riders must rely on their own judgment in the selection of helmets and apparel for protection and durability.
16.8.4.1 Trousers of leather or synthetic material of similar durability.
16.8.4.2 Trousers of other than leather must be non-combustible and be fitted with a lining,
16.8.4.3 A jersey which must be:
Made of close knit fabric of natural or synthetic fibre, and
Must be a snug fit and provide protection against abrasion to the body and arms.
16.8.4.4 A commercially manufactured back protector, which continuously covers the back area between the collar line and the base of the spine if wearing leathers, or a full Kevlar suit.
16.8.4.5 In the case of competitor’s wearing apparel as described in GCR 16.8.4.1 and 16.8.4.2 and 16.8.4.3:
Commercially manufactured armour which protects the elbows, shoulders and the back or a leather or similar jacket with in-built back protection or a jacket and commercially manufactured back protector,
Protection of the back must be continuous and cover all of the back area between the collar and the base of the spine,
Where the armour is not constructed as a one-piece suit type, knee and elbow guards must be used in Dirt Track.
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MOMS - 16.8.4.4 - minimum protective clothing.
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Yet you don't see that enforced or even the old number on the back which would be more likely way to get injured back or loss of fingers
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A little off this particular topic but relevant none the less.
I find it amusing that bikes prior to EVO do not require handlebar pads but EVO and later have that requirement.
I cant remember handlebars being made out of anything softer on bikes manufactured in the 60's & 70's. Am I missing something here or is just a silly rule or some sort of oversight? Surely if they're required for evo, pre 85 etc for rider safety then that rule should apply to all eras.
Guys that ride 60's & 70's machinery might be tougher but their heads and teeth are made of the same stuff as the riders of newer machinery....
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You want stupid Pete, this is ridiculous.
A junior VMXer cannot race a Honda XR on a man made MX track but he can race it on a grass track or a natural terrain MX track. Work that one out if you can.
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Cry of exasperation....."Fluck I hate this shit"!! >:( I'm none the wiser at 9.24pm on February 4th than I was when Ted asked the original question at 3.40pm on January 20 despite nine pages of well intentioned MoMs interpretations. I'm not fitting one extra guard doo-dad to my bikes until I get a plain English explanation from MA .
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Should be clear with the new 2014 moms, should be :-[ :-[ :-[ :-\
can anyone see see see if its there or not, clear or clouded.
I don't really want to say I'm stoopid, but I can't find any relevance to it in the 2014's
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Correct there isn't and if you go to the requirements of the actual classes of bikes you will see it says that only the counter shaft sprocket requires a cover
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Correct there isn't and if you go to the requirements of the actual classes of bikes you will see it says that only the counter shaft sprocket requires a cover
Which we've been required to have for forty bloody years.
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Correct there isn't and if you go to the requirements of the actual classes of bikes you will see it says that only the counter shaft sprocket requires a cover
Thats all I could find as well. Phew,,, I though I was losing it.
So we are all of the hook hey?
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I'm of the belief that I don't require a rear chain guard, or a kill switch or a spring loaded foot peg or a handlebar protector and I'll take my MOMS along to every meet and say show me and they can't!!!
Back to the Tequila!!!!
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Off the hook?
Up until someone puts it up on the MA website late Friday arvo while you are driving up to the Qld Nats from Sydney.
Imagine getting "Sorry buddy you're out, no chain guard "
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Well best bring along a hatchet, a wheely bin lid and some cables ties if your worried about rejection ;D
We can drill the holes with some red hot fencing wire and bend or form it over the same fire.
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I was thinking more along the lines of .38 cal, barrel and some acid ;D
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I'm of the belief that I don't require a rear chain guard, or a kill switch or a spring loaded foot peg or a handlebar protector and I'll take my MOMS along to every meet and say show me and they can't!!!
Back to the Tequila!!!!
Arh, its starting to sound more and more like a fluk-up, with an imenent ending of impending doom ::) :P
Don't put that .38 cal away just yet :-\ ;D
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I'm of the belief that I don't require a rear chain guard, or a kill switch or a spring loaded foot peg or a handlebar protector and I'll take my MOMS along to every meet and say show me and they can't!!!
Back to the Tequila!!!!
That's if you download it, Barrington, as it sounds like there are no hard copies of MOMS this year, only online...sigh...
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Hey Glenn hope your well. Yep will have to bring myself into the 21st century and take a laptop and USB stick!!
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That's if you download it, Barrington, as it sounds like there are no hard copies of MOMS this year, only online...sigh...
your jokin..as if the job isn't hard enough. Maybe we will get a laptop supplied each :P ;) :)
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What a great system MA are running , 10 pages and only one comment from an official on page 8 .
Quote " if its in the new chapter online then its gotta be on the bike Ted."
No Yes its correct or no its incorrect or any reference to where in the Moms it might be, just the usual half arsed comment just like years of the whole alloy arm bullshit ::)
its all about the badge ;)
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As EA and I are officiating at the Kings and Queens of Canberra this weekend, EA is the Steward, we have to be on top of any rule changes. sooooo, here's my take on the rear sprocket chainguard rule.
Ther is NO mention of a rear sprocket chainguard in the CDT/MX rules, however, in the DT rules there is, GCR 20.16.8.6.
Geezers, where does that leave us ??.
If a rider was competing, on a Classic bike, in a class other than a Classic class, the Unlimited for example, a rear sprocket guard would have to be fitted, however in a Classic class, it would not.
Nice one MA !!
The Rules are interpreted by the official concerned on the day, so really it's up to the way the COC reads it and then the Steward if it's not sorted by the COC.
Don't even mention the online GCRs to EA, we have tried to get a hard copy from MA and MNSW, the answer, "your club will print one for you", does that not smack of MA devolving costs to the Clubs ?, The bean counters win again.
Darylene, from the ACTMCC has done just that for EA, got a copy professionally printed and bound, thanks heaps
Aaaah well, we'll go to Canberra and get a dose of Dirt Track, watch all the young'uns and the rest of the lads enjoying some skids, I guess that's what it's all about, for us anyway, see ya there ??
Foss and EA
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If nobody retro fits any chain guard/guide to their old bike(s), who's going to be left racing? There is strength in numbers guys and gals.
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What a great system MA are running , 10 pages and only one comment from an official on page 8 .
Quote " if its in the new chapter online then its gotta be on the bike Ted."
No Yes its correct or no its incorrect or any reference to where in the Moms it might be, just the usual half arsed comment just like years of the whole alloy arm bullshit ::)
its all about the badge ;)
From the verysame official that ruled the alloy arm on my bike was illegal for the classic Nats after seeing a very bad photo I sent him from my phone
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Well done Mick D, However the minutes of the CMX&CDT commission which were approved by the MA Board ask for the exemption to be removed. It isn't in the new MOMS yet. But MA are aware of the omission, it is only a matter of time.
I see someone has said there has only been one comment from an official. Wrong!!!!!! what the hell am I
Ok here is the answer from MA
"Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the pick up, this was incorrectly omitted as you quite rightly point out.
I will have the previous 12.8.8.6 added into the 2014 MoMS by the end of the week.
Kind regards,
Bron Sorensen
Development & Rule Coordinator
Motorcycling Australia
Ph: (03) 9684 0509
www.ma.org.au"
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I'm sure their will be people out there who will say why did I bring it too MA attention. Simple, sooner or later they would spot the omission. I just thought it was better it was fixed sooner rather than later.
Kevin MA level four official
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Well done Mick D, However the minutes of the CMX&CDT commission which were approved by the MA Board ask for the exemption to be removed. It isn't in the new MOMS yet. But MA are aware of the omission, it is only a matter of time.
Please also remember the contents of this post. The previous exemption for CMX/CDT is to be removed.
I can'r speak for other officials, but I do think giving riders a little time to comply with the late notification of the rule change is reasonable.
And I stress a little time. Also I think the intention of the rule isn't to cover the rear sprocket, just have something in front of the sprocket to restrict the chance of someone's fingers going into the sprocket with the chain. Most chain guides do this. The Bultaco on MR MX facebook page https://www.facebook.com/groups/432833203504761/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/432833203504761/) is probably an example of a chain guide that does this.
This is just my opinion, other official's may think differently. I will try to get some concensus on this.
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in my last post i made refrence to back numbers they are compulsory now at all meets.
didn`t need to wear then at club/interclub meets last year
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wtf is a back number ???
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Well done Mick D, However the minutes of the CMX&CDT commission which were approved by the MA Board ask for the exemption to be removed. It isn't in the new MOMS yet. But MA are aware of the omission, it is only a matter of time.
I see someone has said there has only been one comment from an official. Wrong!!!!!! what the hell am I
SHALL I START A FORUM POLL TO ASK PEOPLE WHAT YOU ARE
As usual I will spell it out for you as your ego clouds your vision ::) ::) im very sorry that I dared not to recognise your status within the fuct up dysfunctional, unuser come bill payer unfriendly organisation that is MA your holiness ;D
I should have said commissioner and not official ::) funny how Ted picked up on it straight away but it went straight over your head .
Ok here is the answer from MA
"Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the pick up, this was incorrectly omitted as you quite rightly point out.
I will have the previous 12.8.8.6 added into the 2014 MoMS by the end of the week.
Kind regards,
Bron Sorensen
Development & Rule Coordinator
Motorcycling Australia
Ph: (03) 9684 0509
www.ma.org.au"
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wtf is a back number ???
Kevin will be along in a minute to correct me ( as he is a grade 4 steward amongst other positions within MA 0
But as far as I know a back number is the one behind the front number ;D
Over to his Holiness to trump that answer :)
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Well done Mick D, However the minutes of the CMX&CDT commission which were approved by the MA Board ask for the exemption to be removed. It isn't in the new MOMS yet. But MA are aware of the omission, it is only a matter of time.
Please also remember the contents of this post. The previous exemption for CMX/CDT is to be removed.
I can'r speak for other officials, but I do think giving riders a little time to comply with the late notification of the rule change is reasonable.
Naturally as that would mean communication within the society and possibly some help to the paying member
And I stress a little time. Also I think the intention of the rule isn't to cover the rear sprocket, just have something in front of the sprocket to restrict the chance of someone's fingers going into the sprocket with the chain. Most chain guides do this. The Bultaco on MR MX facebook page https://www.facebook.com/groups/432833203504761/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/432833203504761/) is probably an example of a chain guide that does this.
This is just my opinion, other official's may think differently. I will try to get some concensus on this.
Exactly because that's how MA operates AMBIGUITY helps to divide and conquer ;)
Kevin I sincerely believe your are passionate and want to do the right things by the members and the sport , but you seem to be a lone star in the Fog that is MA :)
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Kevin I sincerely believe your are passionate and want to do the right things by the members and the sport , but you seem to be a lone star in the Fog that is MA :)
So profound, but sadly it is hard to near impossible to draw any other conclusion.
A rider shouldn't have to consult a lawyer with a linguistics degree to enter a race meet.
Why always a literary mine field MA? what about making our sport more attractive, with just a simple KISS system instead?.
I think a contender should only have to look up the chapter relating to their chosen discipline. Instead of having to continually cross-reference to other chapters for inclusions and exclusions. This is where, how and why the shit snowballs and confusion reigns.
KISSMA
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It's ironic that the commission members (except for a little post from Freaky) haven't contributed to this discussion. I'll bet they're as bamboozled as we are.
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Ted I posted a pic of an easy-ruff one I made in 5 min for my 465 on the face book page. ;)
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Ted I posted a pic of an easy-ruff one I made in 5 min for my 465 on the face book page. ;)
Thank you
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I think a contender should only have to look up the chapter relating to their chosen discipline. Instead of having to continually cross-reference to other chapters for inclusions and exclusions. This is where, how and why the shit snowballs and confusion reigns.
KISSMA
Ya got that in one, Mick !.
Foss
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Wow pages of conjecture ,why do you pay MA? Would have thought because they work for you. If that was the case a phone call would tell you!!!
Or does the tail wag the dog? Quick phone them before they all go off to the isle of man holiday paid by the punters.
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Kevin I sincerely believe your are passionate and want to do the right things by the members and the sport , but you seem to be a lone star in the Fog that is MA :)
So profound, but sadly it is hard to near impossible to draw any other conclusion.
A rider shouldn't have to consult a lawyer with a linguistics degree to enter a race meet.
Why always a literary mine field MA? what about making our sport more attractive, with just a simple KISS system instead?.
I think a contender should only have to look up the chapter relating to their chosen discipline. Instead of having to continually cross-reference to other chapters for inclusions and exclusions. This is where, how and why the shit snowballs and confusion reigns.
KISSMA
I kept telling everyone reading this post that the rule asking for a rear chain guard (guide) should be there, but everyone just kept going on with a lot of crap. So now that I have let MA know that it should be there and they have agreed, you want to put shit on me. I have very thick skin you need it to be an official. I don't say after every post I am a MA Official. If you read back through the posts and read between the lines there are other posters (is that the correct word) who are probably also officials.
I made MA aware of the mistake' because sooner or later the rule would be put in there. Also please note CMX/CDT were the only discipline who weren't required to have the guard (guide). Also it appeared that NSW were going to enforce it anyway.
Kevin
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ktm 47 "If you read back through the posts and read between the lines there are other posters (is that the correct word) who are probably also officials."
or have been officials but that quote is true.
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I think a contender should only have to look up the chapter relating to their chosen discipline. Instead of having to continually cross-reference to other chapters for inclusions and exclusions. This is where, how and why the shit snowballs and confusion reigns.
KISSMA
You probably won't believe this but that is exactly what they have done. The "All Disciplines" chapter has disappeared and the rules relevant to each discipline have been added to each one. Off course this made the MOMS a lot bigger because a lot of rules are repeated. This is how some rules got left out. There is a PDF version of the MOMS so you can print out the section that is relevant to you.
SO MA have kept it simpler.
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I have very thick skin you need it to be an official.
Is that level 4 skin Kev ;D ;D
As I said before , mate I know your wanting to do the right thing by the members and the sport and full credit to you .
Its just a pity that you seem to be a small minority in a system where its all about the badge to most .
All power to you Kev but im sure you can see the level of frustration that the general lack of continuity and ambiguous MOMs create for the poor bastards who actually pay through licencing to finance the whole thing .
Look at the spectrum of people in this thread who are confused by this . In the unlikely event that a commissioner will comment on the matter the std response is " We will not be discussing it on this forum " ok fair enough so where the fork do the paying members go for advise ?
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so when will the rule come for wheel covers so we dont put fingers in the spokes ?
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as it sounds like there are no hard copies of MOMS this year, only online...sigh...
So that's cool, we get our own bible..whoohooo then it will be easier to make submissions etc.
quote from MWA
the MoMS is now in a new format and is online. It is also downloadable. The format is now that every discipline is a stand-alone chapter, if required each can be printed separately or used from a tablet or laptop.
Each club will also be sent a printed copy to have on hand at events.
How much do you reckon MA pays for postage GCR to be sent out,...more than a RH or 74 CCM jobby :P long live the trees :)
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Just a thought Ted, while fitting a new tyre a short time ago I noticed that if I had made my protective guard to run a bit lower and put a nice edge on it I may be able to cut off the offending arm before the fingers get chopped by the chain-sprocket! ;) ;D
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I made MA aware of the mistake' because sooner or later the rule would be put in there. Also please note CMX/CDT were the only discipline who weren't required to have the guard (guide). Also it appeared that NSW were going to enforce it anyway.
Kevin
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You will also find that in the MX/SX section they only ask for the primary to be covered
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
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Just a thought Ted, while fitting a new tyre a short time ago I noticed that if I had made my protective guard to run a bit lower and put a nice edge on it I may be able to cut off the offending arm before the fingers get chopped by the chain-sprocket! ;) ;D
Now you're talking Eliminate the problem before it arises We will market it as the Wiltshire Method
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Good onya Kevin, KTM47. What a guy....outlining any problem with the MOMS and forcing us guys with pre 75 and older machinery to mount something that was never on our bikes in the first place. All because one stupid moron hurt himself while helping to pick up a bike! I say, STOP WORKING FOR INSURANCE COMPANIES and start lifting our sport back to where it once was in the 80's. You lot are all the same once you get a sniff of power.
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Thank you for your kind words TBM. All I have done is let MA know there is a problem. Sooner or later they would have found it. I could have just kept quite about letting them know but that is not my way. Also NSW were going to enforce it anyway. People want rules clarified well that is what they have got.
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16.15.4.6
Other than CMX/CDT A chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain run and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
There you go Ted your original question has been answered.
http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/ (http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/)
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16.15.4.6 Other than CMX/CDT A chain guard made of suitable material
And the suitable material is? :)
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16.15.4.6 Other than CMX/CDT A chain guard made of suitable material
And the suitable material is? :)
Under the guidelines of the MA mission statement that would be
UNOBTAINIUM ;D
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16.15.4.6 Other than CMX/CDT A chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain run and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
There you go Ted your original question has been answered.
http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/ (http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/)
So is a change going to be made to Motocross and Supercross regs:
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
No mention anywhere about chain gaurds
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Still ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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16.15.4.6 Other than CMX/CDT A chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain run and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
There you go Ted your original question has been answered.
http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/ (http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/)
Thanks Kev, you the man ;)
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I have looked all over the MOMS WEB page to download it but can not see how. Can anyone help
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Thank you for your kind words TBM. All I have done is let MA know there is a problem. Sooner or later they would have found it. I could have just kept quite about letting them know but that is not my way. Also NSW were going to enforce it anyway. People want rules clarified well that is what they have got.
I could of kept quiet as well, but it's not in my nature either. It's a ridiculous rule that came from the brain of someone who has nothing better to do with their time than to amend rules that have been working for decades, and you supported it. So I just told it as I see it. It's not going to prevent bugger all incidents in the greater scheme of things and now the license paying, fee paying, entertainment providing riders have to modify their bike(s). We're not professionals, we don't have sponsors, most of us work on our own bikes make sure we stay within the set rules and pay through the nose to attend MA sanctioned meetings.
How about giving SOMETHING back to the sport other than a poxy little museum in a box sized room that no one gets to see! Us clubbies, the bread and butter of the sport, get screwed from every which way while the real pros who get paid to ride get support from MA. I'm jack of it.
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I have looked all over the MOMS WEB page to download it but can not see how. Can anyone help
16.15.4.6
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Yes Ted I can look at it and read it ::)
I want to download it and be able to print it so I can take it to a meeting. Surprising as it may seem many most racers don't read these posts
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Yes Ted I can look at it and read it ::)
I want to download it and be able to print it so I can take it to a meeting. Surprising as it may seem many most racers don't read these posts
try this PDF... maybe the above links for trackside only
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=142
13 pages lucky for some ;)
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Yes Ted I can look at it and read it ::)
I want to download it and be able to print it so I can take it to a meeting. Surprising as it may seem many most racers don't read these posts
Well that surprises me. I thought YOUR word was gospel
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Does any of this pass? Lucky it came off on the last lap :o. I have never run a front sprocket cover and not about to start. Stupid rule! I'm an MA official just not a very good one ::)
(http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww125/NoelSR/IMG_0188.jpg)
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Yes Ted I can look at it and read it ::)
I want to download it and be able to print it so I can take it to a meeting. Surprising as it may seem many most racers don't read these posts
Here you go Greg.
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/MOMS/2014_MoMS_Files/16_Classic_Motocross_and_Dirt_Track.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/MOMS/2014_MoMS_Files/16_Classic_Motocross_and_Dirt_Track.pdf)
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16.15.4.6 Other than CMX/CDT A chain guard made of suitable material must be fitted in a way to prevent trapping between the lower drive chain run and the final drive sprocket at the rear wheel.
There you go Ted your original question has been answered.
http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/ (http://moms.org.au/rules/18-classic-motocross-dirt-track/18-4-machine-and-class-identification-classic-mx-dirt-track/)
So is a change going to be made to Motocross and Supercross regs:
15.22.8 Drive chain protection
15.22.8.1 Front sprocket may be guarded so as to prevent direct access to the chain or sprockets with the fingers.
No mention anywhere about chain gaurds
I'll leave that one to someone else. My interest is now Classic MX. My days of getting MX/SX rule changed are over. However the rule to have a rear chain guard (guide) should be in each disciplines section. It was in "All disciplines"
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Will this do the trick ? It's a piece of 7mm nylon, and it sits about 1/2" away from the chain's lower run.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/Kommer/P2120005_zps12adcd8d.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/Kommer/media/P2120005_zps12adcd8d.jpg.html)
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Will this do the trick ? It's a piece of 7mm nylon, and it sits about 1/2" away from the chain's lower run.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/Kommer/P2120005_zps12adcd8d.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/Kommer/media/P2120005_zps12adcd8d.jpg.html)
that should pass, I have seen the same pass like yours.
I made mine with two sides and a plastic bottom for the chain to run over like the moderns.
they do help a bit with chain derails to.
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Sometime it doesn't take too much imagination. Husky's are a piece of weasels! Just bolt to the chain guide using original bolts. I will probably use alloy or plastic sheet. Corrugated card may not pass scrutineering :o. Credit to Mick25 for the inspiration 8)
Other bikes likely could use similar approach, maybe a hose clip around the swing arm if attachment points are missing. More time thinking about it and less time moaning about it worked for me ;D
(http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt272/berquist01/OZVMX/f85112c298f7a0774a98fa74f63d9c1b.jpg)
(http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt272/berquist01/OZVMX/ee0516d31f4419b7e375bcabf3ae6c23.jpg)
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A win for me !!! Pretty certain the current setup of steel Reynolds tubing, aluminum plate and bolted on Nylon /rubber sheeting on the outfit will pass the chain thingo.... ;)
Note the super lightened front sprocket cover and the folding, spring return footpeg inbetween the frame cradle and outfit... ;D
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/104_0336_zps8c1c0196.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/104_0336_zps8c1c0196.jpg.html)
Now for the bucket racer solo..
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/104_0335_zpsbc740462.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/104_0335_zpsbc740462.jpg.html)
Using all of this roll of bubble wrap should suffice..... ::)
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Nice looking pipe on the bucket racer Tim. I think your bubble wrap design could be improved on by at least tapping it to the bike. Afterall, you wouldn't want it fall off as soon as you left the start line ::)
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'you wouldn't want it fall off as soon as you left the start line ::)"
Ummm been there , done that... :o :D
TBM the pipe is slightly oversize tube, mandrel bent to OEM pattern. Large cone was scrounged from an old "Peter Allen " pipe, reverse cone and muffler packing insert ex Yamaha RD road and road trail bike pipes. This configuration of cones is tuned length to suit the 150cc kit, blue printed head and 26mm carby.
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'you wouldn't want it fall off as soon as you left the start line ::)"
Ummm been there , done that... :o :D
Ted the pipe is slightly oversize tube, mandrel bent to OEM pattern. Large cone was scrounged from an old "Peter Allen " pipe, reverse cone and muffler packing insert ex Yamaha RD road and road trail bike pipes. This configuration of cones is tuned length to suit the 150cc kit, blue printed head and 26mm carby.
Please don't call me Ted.....my name is Mark
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Will this do the trick ? It's a piece of 7mm nylon, and it sits about 1/2" away from the chain's lower run.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/Kommer/P2120005_zps12adcd8d.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/Kommer/media/P2120005_zps12adcd8d.jpg.html)
My one question with this one is if the chain was really lose could your hand go under the cover and go through the sprocket anyway. Maybe a little bit lower or another block that the chain runs on (chain guide). But it is definately better than no guard.
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Aww come on Kevin.... how about a safety fence with fluro tape around the whole bike.....
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Please don't call me Ted.....my name is Mark
I apologize for that silly mistake Mark :-[ :-*
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Aww come on Kevin.... how about a safety fence with fluro tape around the whole bike.....
That sounds like a great idea why don't you put that up as a rule change?
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:) :D ;D ;) ah needed a laugh thanks