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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: simon414 on February 22, 2012, 04:59:12 am
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Hi everyone i,m new to this forum but have had a good look at the posts and thought there is a lot of people on here who knows their stuff so I thought I better join up for some help.
I bought a 414 vf (In a very sad state!!) I have stripped it down and started rebuilding it. I will try and post some pics up of what the poor old girl was like when I bought it to what it is like now. The things I could do with knowing is has anyone a link to a place that sells NOS tail pipe for the bike and also the sells a cage for the air filter. The other thing i,m stuck on is what connects the rear break pedal to the plastic cord to the rear brake?? And on the exhaust at the rear where the tail pipe would conect there is a bracket what should this connect to (if anything)??
Any help you lads could give would be good and maybe I might get this bike finished this year lol
Thanks Simon
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With a bit of luck here are some pics of when I bought the bike ;)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/002.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/005-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0102.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0092.jpg)
I think you get the picture she is in a poor state >:(
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Now after getting the frame powder coated the old girl is ready for her make over :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/001-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0042.jpg)
And fitting the motor after re building it and giving it a new coat of paint she is starting to take shape :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0062.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0072.jpg)
New air box
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/001-3.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/006-2.jpg)
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This is what i,m not sure is right. What should the bracket fasten to on the top of the exhaust??
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/Untitled3.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/Untitled12.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/Untitled13.jpg)
I have loads of pics of the bike step by step as i,ve rebuild it, so if there is anything you would like to see please let me know and I will do my best to post them up for you. I will get some pics taken of the other things i,m not sure about.
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Looks like you are the best thing that has happened to that bike in years.
Looking really good, Keep the pics coming.....
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Looks like you are the best thing that has happened to that bike in years.
Looking really good, Keep the pics coming.....
lol tell me about it mate lol It has taken me about a year to get it to this state so far :-\ I need to get the wheels re built and get a tail pipe and filter cage then i,m somewhere near finishing her. I will try and post some more pics up of the build later. Any feed back to what you lot think would be good even if you think i,ve done something wrong, I would like to get her to as origianl as poss so any feed back you have would be good :) Also if anyone knows where I can get some NOS parts for it would not go a miss.
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You are doing a great job 8) They are a very much under estimated bike for EVO.
The rear mount of the exhaust that you can see on top of the stinger section above the airbox (last photo) attaches via a rubber mount to a bracket on the frame. The bracket appears to be missing on your bike. It is located on the right hand top rail about 20mm behind the cross tube. I will get some photos of my VG which is the same for you. The bracket has a tendency to crack if the exhaust is not mounted correctly or the head steady is loose causing bad vibration.
The rear silencer is available as a reproduction. The last one I purchased came through John at Rocky Mountain Montesa. There are three size silencers you need the longest one. The 250/360/414 reproduction silencers fit 250s as well as the big bores you just trim the last 20mm or so off which has a reducer to fit the smaller and shorter 250 chamber. They are good quality.
The link that connects the brake pedal to the brake cable/rod is a piece of flat metal about 18mm x 3mm bent into a work of art that passes behind the frame and under the swingarm. A photo is the only way to show you so will try to get one ASAP. Not sure if Jared from South West Montesa or John from RM Montesa can help. If you contact them I'm sure they would have a new one or possibly a used one.
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Hi Simon nice to see another monty being brought back to life pics are great just wish i could post some of my pics on here but no good with computers (takes me ages to type anything) where about are you in the UK just an area will do(too many thieves about nowadays i have already had a 250VB nicked last year) the 414vf is one bike i have not got as most of mine are the 414vg model.The exhaust should bolt onto a bracket on the frame opposite the air box bracket pm me with your phone number if you want and i will call you to see if i can offer any help.I am still riding one of my 414vg's occasionally going back to original is sometimes impossible but the best of luke.
montman
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You are doing a great job 8) They are a very much under estimated bike for EVO.
The rear mount of the exhaust that you can see on top of the stinger section above the airbox (last photo) attaches via a rubber mount to a bracket on the frame. The bracket appears to be missing on your bike. It is located on the right hand top rail about 20mm behind the cross tube. I will get some photos of my VG which is the same for you. The bracket has a tendency to crack if the exhaust is not mounted correctly or the head steady is loose causing bad vibration.
The rear silencer is available as a reproduction. The last one I purchased came through John at Rocky Mountain Montesa. There are three size silencers you need the longest one. The 250/360/414 reproduction silencers fit 250s as well as the big bores you just trim the last 20mm or so off which has a reducer to fit the smaller and shorter 250 chamber. They are good quality.
The link that connects the brake pedal to the brake cable/rod is a piece of flat metal about 18mm x 3mm bent into a work of art that passes behind the frame and under the swingarm. A photo is the only way to show you so will try to get one ASAP. Not sure if Jared from South West Montesa or John from RM Montesa can help. If you contact them I'm sure they would have a new one or possibly a used one.
What country / state are you located in?
Your a star mate thank you for that :) The pics would be much appreciated ;)
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Hi Simon nice to see another monty being brought back to life pics are great just wish i could post some of my pics on here but no good with computers (takes me ages to type anything) where about are you in the UK just an area will do(too many thieves about nowadays i have already had a 250VB nicked last year) the 414vf is one bike i have not got as most of mine are the 414vg model.The exhaust should bolt onto a bracket on the frame opposite the air box bracket pm me with your phone number if you want and i will call you to see if i can offer any help.I am still riding one of my 414vg's occasionally going back to original is sometimes impossible but the best of luke.
montman
Hi montman I,m from the north east mate ;) I will message you my number and e-mail address then if I get stuck you can give me a bell ;D I would love to find a 125 and 250 vf to get the full collection but I think the wife will go nuts lol one day thou lol
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I have a couple of the 250 vf's both to be restored there seem to be less about than the 414's even though more were made,the 125,s are very rare i have been after one for ages although i do have a 125 enduro monty that's as near as i can get at the moment still keep looking.
Montynut in the UK they are classed in the twinshocks the evo class is a faster class due to the bike improvements even though i race mine against the up to date bikes at modern moto events.
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few more pics :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/039.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/038.jpg)
one piston well and truly seized :(
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/035.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/020-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0132-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/019-1.jpg)
Motor after a paint job. I did not want to take all the marks out of the casings as I wanted the bike to have some character
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/015.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/014.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/009-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0092-1.jpg)
Nice and clean :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/008-1.jpg)
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Nice work, do I spy a sherco trials bike hiding in there as well? ;)
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Top job Simon ;). I have one as well (I did have three up untill last year ::)). These things are pretty rare and it's good to see you bringing one back from the edge. One of the nicest bikes to fly through the air on :).
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VF frame painted black
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/IMG_1133.jpg)
VF250 frame same as 414 but pipe is slightly different. The mount that is missing on your bike can be seen and how the pipe mounts
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/IMG_1132.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/IMG_1131.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/montynut/IMG_1130.jpg)
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If that exhaust mount is not available, it looks like a commom Yammie one, they've used it since MXB yamahas and I think its still current.
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That exhaust mount used is a Honda part. #18355-KS6-000
Also used on the head mount.
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Nice work, do I spy a sherco trials bike hiding in there as well? ;)
Hi Tony it is a mont 315 ;) I did have a 349 which I rebuilt but I had to get rid of a toy to fit the 414 in the garage :( I need a double garage lol
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Top job Simon ;). I have one as well (I did have three up untill last year ::)). These things are pretty rare and it's good to see you bringing one back from the edge. One of the nicest bikes to fly through the air on :).
Thanks for that mate :) Glad to know i,m doing a good job on the old girl :)
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Thank you for them pics montynut :) I will look into getting a new mount fitted to the frame ;) Do you have a pic of the break pedal plate?? or a link to a shop that might sell them?
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That exhaust mount used is a Honda part. #18355-KS6-000
Also used on the head mount.
Thanks for that mate I will get two ordered tomorrow now I have a part number :)
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Hi Simon, great to see someone else from the Uk with a 414.!!
What is your problem with the rear brake lever? I dont fully understand what you need to know.?
As has been said already, pm me with your number if you want..
Cheers Sandy.
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Hi Simon, great to see someone else from the Uk with a 414.!!
What is your problem with the rear brake lever? I dont fully understand what you need to know.?
As has been said already, pm me with your number if you want..
Cheers Sandy.
Hi Sandy I,m not sure what connects the rear break pedal to the plastic cord to the rear brake, I could do with a pic of what i,m missing or a link to a shop that might have what I need :) I will pm you my number mate ;)
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Thank you for them pics mate :) I am going to pop into the garage this weekend to see what else I can do to the old girl. Been mad at work these last few weeks so I,ve had no time to do anything :(
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Well I,ve ordered a new tail pipe and a set of plastics for my old girl, Fingers crossed they might turn up next week ;D ;D ;D I am dropping my wheels off tomorrow to be re-built as well ;D Does anyone know where I can get a set of brake shoes from in the uk? Also I need to find a air filter cage ???
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How do you get the black paint on the engine so good, are they spray with heat resistance paint and then baked in the oven.
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How do you get the black paint on the engine so good, are they spray with heat resistance paint and then baked in the oven.
Thank you for the positive remarks on my paint job :) Believe it or not I just used PJ1 engine paint and sprayed the cases under a heat lamp in my garage ;)
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Before I take my hubs to be powdercoated this week, can anyone tell me if they're meant to be matt or gloss - I'm unable to tell from the current state of my hubs which it is?
Thanks
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Semi gloss, or Satin or eggshell finish.
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Semi gloss, or Satin or eggshell finish.
Thanks for that mate ;)
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A few more pictures of where i,m at with the bike at the moment :) New plastics and tail pipe should be with me in a few days :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/015-1.jpg)
Wheels should be re-built this week :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/013.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/011-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/007-3.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/008-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/005-3.jpg)
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wow excellent work and detail.
is this bike going to be a rider or garage queen ?
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wow excellent work and detail.
is this bike going to be a rider or garage queen ?
I,m not sure yet mate ??? I was going to ride it but i,m not sure now lol
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yes your doing a fine job on that
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you have to ride it, just pick the days that are not quagmires.
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put your carb top round the right way ;D
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Looking good mate. Keep it up.
Sandy
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put your carb top round the right way ;D
lol well spotted dave ;)
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Looking good mate. Keep it up.
Sandy
Thanks Sandy :) I have got my wheels back today ;D ;D ;D ;D still no plactics or tail pipe thou :( :( bloody uk customs!! >:(
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Looking good mate. Keep it up.
Sandy
Thanks Sandy :) I have got my wheels back today ;D ;D ;D ;D still no plactics or tail pipe thou :( :( bloody uk customs!! >:(
Where did you get the plastics and tailpipe? Customs shouldnt be a problem if bought within the EU..
Sandy
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Outstanding job!
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Looking good mate. Keep it up.
Sandy
Thanks Sandy :) I have got my wheels back today ;D ;D ;D ;D still no plactics or tail pipe thou :( :( bloody uk customs!! >:(
Where did you get the plastics and tailpipe? Customs shouldnt be a problem if bought within the EU..
Sandy
My plastics were from DC plastics in the states ( £48 customs charge!!) and the tail pipe was from spain ;) all turned up now. I have my wheels back as well so now i,m on with finishing the old girl off :) just a few little things to get like swinging arm rubber and chain block rubber and a air filter cage. ;D ;D
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Outstanding job!
Thanks mate :)
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This is where i,m upto at the mo with the old girl :) There are a few things still left to do but i,m almost there now ;D ;D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/001-5.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/002-3.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/003-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/004-4.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/005-4.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/006-4.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/010-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/0132-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/012-1.jpg)
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You're doing a nice job of it Simon.
I see you have a ve front guard on it. VF front guards are readily available.
That looks like an oem seat cover as well with the 'M' embossed into it instead of printed which I've never been able to find. Well done. :)
This is my 414.
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff366/Avonkitty/DSCN6072.jpg)
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Yeah, I'm with everyone else.....you've done a really nice job so far Simon ;).
My plastics were from DC plastics in the states ( £48 customs charge!!)
Holy shit.....I've recently purchased three sets of plastic from DC, thankfully with no customs taxes. We can whinge and whine about our taxes here but our import taxes aren't that bad. £48 is highway robbery ::).
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You're doing a nice job of it Simon.
I see you have a ve front guard on it. VF front guards are readily available.
That looks like an oem seat cover as well with the 'M' embossed into it instead of printed which I've never been able to find. Well done. :)
This is my 414.
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff366/Avonkitty/DSCN6072.jpg)
Thanks mate ;D I ordered vf plastics from DC and thats what turned up ??? So have they sent me the wrong front mudguard?? The seat coved is original mate but the lower edge was repaired to keep as much of the original bike as poss ;)
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Yeah, I'm with everyone else.....you've done a really nice job so far Simon ;).My plastics were from DC plastics in the states ( £48 customs charge!!)
Holy shit.....I've recently purchased three sets of plastic from DC, thankfully with no customs taxes. We can whinge and whine about our taxes here but our import taxes aren't that bad. £48 is highway robbery ::).
Thanks for that mate :)nice to know i,m doing a good job on the bike. All I need to do now if find a 125 and a 250 vf and I will be a happy bunny lol :)
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Jared Bates (SW Montesa) actually has NOS front and rear guards for the VF series. The DC plastics are OK (I use them on my race bikes) but the 'M' on th rear guard is very poor compared to the original and as you found out the DC front is actually a VE series and they don't seem to have the correct curve :(.
You are doing a great job on the bike very impressive ;).
Ross is just showing off with that air shot of him on the VF its been photoshopped to hell if you look closely you can just pick up that the bike is actually on a stand (dark bit in the tree) in his back yard :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :P :P JOKING OK Ross Joking (or am I)
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I have also found out the early 80's KTM's use the exact same front guard as the VF.
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Ross is just showing off with that air shot of him on the VF its been photoshopped to hell if you look closely you can just pick up that the bike is actually on a stand (dark bit in the tree) in his back yard :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :P :P JOKING OK Ross Joking (or am I)
The photographer dis-jointed his neck leaning back to get the shot....... ;)
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Jared Bates (SW Montesa) actually has NOS front and rear guards for the VF series. The DC plastics are OK (I use them on my race bikes) but the 'M' on th rear guard is very poor compared to the original and as you found out the DC front is actually a VE series and they don't seem to have the correct curve :(.
You are doing a great job on the bike very impressive ;).
Ross is just showing off with that air shot of him on the VF its been photoshopped to hell if you look closely you can just pick up that the bike is actually on a stand (dark bit in the tree) in his back yard :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :P :P JOKING OK Ross Joking (or am I)
Thanks for that mate next time I order some plastics I will go to sw montesa ;) I new I should of asked you lot first, but I know now for next :) :) I know what you mean by the m logo been pants!!! I have got to say I was not impressed when they turned up >:(
lol i,m sure Ross's vf can fly ;) with the right lad on it lol Sorry Ross ;)
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Ross is just showing off with that air shot of him on the VF its been photoshopped to hell if you look closely you can just pick up that the bike is actually on a stand (dark bit in the tree) in his back yard :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :P :P JOKING OK Ross Joking (or am I)
The photographer dis-jointed his neck leaning back to get the shot....... ;)
:D
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I have also found out the early 80's KTM's use the exact same front guard as the VF.
Thats handy to know :) :) I wonder what else is the same on other bikes ??? ??? ??? ie pistons ect I cannot see montesa making a bike with only bits for their bikes only ???
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I cannot see montesa making a bike with only bits for their bikes only ???
Apart from the piston (Mahle), everything else in the motor is Montesa. Mahle pistons from other big bores won't fit without a lot of feckin' about.
lol i,m sure Ross's vf can fly ;) with the right lad on it lol Sorry Ross ;)
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I cannot see montesa making a bike with only bits for their bikes only ???
Apart from the piston (Mahle), everything else in the motor is Montesa. Mahle pistons from other big bores won't fit without a lot of feckin' about.
lol i,m sure Ross's vf can fly ;) with the right lad on it lol Sorry Ross ;)
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No wonder their is not many genuine spare's then for these bike if they were made for their own bikes. I,m just waiting for a chain block rubber and swinging arm ruber to turn up, then I can get the chain on it and fire her up ;D only pulling your leg over the pic mate ;) sorry for any offence :)
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So easy to “fly” with the 414 VF…
(http://173.74.246.28/ktmtalk/photogallery/galleries/Parts_Mods/681.jpg)
(http://173.74.246.28/ktmtalk/photogallery/galleries/Parts_Mods/633.jpg)
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Nice pictures mate ;D ;D I cannot wait to get my old girl up and running.
Has anyone ordered anything from solo montesa?? I placed a order over 3 weeks ago and nothing has turned up >:( I have e-maild them with no reply :( Are they still trading or are they just very slow in posting stuff out??
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Is there any way of working out the production number of the vf's from the engine/frame number?? 66m02532
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Is there any way of working out the production number of the vf's from the engine/frame number?? 66m02532
Yes mate, see here. 339 or so, from experience this site is pretty accurate.
Sandy
http://www.lamaneta.org/numerochasis/montesa.html
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Is there any way of working out the production number of the vf's from the engine/frame number?? 66m02532
Yes mate, see here. 339 or so, from experience this site is pretty accurate.
Sandy
http://www.lamaneta.org/numerochasis/montesa.html
Nice one thank you for that mate :) :) :)
My stuff form solo montesa still has not turned up >:( ordered on the 19th may :( I have sent them endless e-mails with no reply :( think I best order my stuff from somewhere else :-\
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solomontesa are very hard to deal with, trust me i know. what you trying to buy?
Sandy
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solomontesa are very hard to deal with, trust me i know. what you trying to buy?
Sandy
I,ve ordered a swinging arm rubber and a chain block. They sent me a e-mail last night saying they have forgotten to post out my order and it has now been sorted. ( note to self never use them again!) So fingers crossed I might get them by next week :) All I want to do now is get her out on the track :)
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Well I have given up with solo montesa >:( >:( I will never use them again!!!! >:( >:(
Does anyone know where I can get a chain block rubber and the swinging arm rubber from????? I have e-mailed south west montesa but they cannot help me at the mo. I could also do with a front number board as well :)
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Stick with SW Montesa, have dealt with them before, had great service from them.
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Stick with SW Montesa, have dealt with them before, had great service from them.
Yeah I will mate i,m in no rush to finish the bike :) as long as it is done this year ;D
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SouthWest Montesa & Rocky Mountain Montesa are both excellent suppliers and are easy to deal with and very very reliable.
Solo Montesa has a great range of products and I have dealt with them several times and never been completely let down. A few times the reproductions supplied have been disappointing quality.
Solo Montesa is very difficult to deal with and takes for ever to deliver your order. Communication is also very slow.
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SouthWest Montesa & Rocky Mountain Montesa are both excellent suppliers and are easy to deal with and very very reliable.
Solo Montesa has a great range of products and I have dealt with them several times and never been completely let down. A few times the reproductions supplied have been disappointing quality.
Solo Montesa is very difficult to deal with and takes for ever to deliver your order. Communication is also very slow.
Yeah i,m going to stick with southwest montesa from now on ;) They have some of the bits I need so that will do for now ;D
As for solo montesa!!!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I will never use them again nor recomend them to anyone >:(
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Simon, what bits do you REALLY need ?
Sandy
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Simon, what bits do you REALLY need ?
Sandy
The one part i'm finding hard to find is the swinging arm rubber. All the other bits are now ordered from sw montesa :) Ive sent a e-mail to rocky mountain so fingers crossed they will let me know next week if they have one :)
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Shame you arent after some spare wheels as I keep tripping up over them in the garage!
I have got that rear wheel and other montessa hubs / wheels, akront rims etc.
In in the UK, but will post anywhere (postage to Oz will be more than the wheels cost I suspect)
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Shame you arent after some spare wheels as I keep tripping up over them in the garage!
I have got that rear wheel and other montessa hubs / wheels, akront rims etc.
In in the UK, but will post anywhere (postage to Oz will be more than the wheels cost I suspect)
pm sent ;)
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Well my old girl is 99% finished ;D ;D I thought I would make the most of the good weather and get some pictures done for you all to see :) Hope I have done the bike justice and that you like what I've done :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3885.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3887.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3890.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3894.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3895.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3897.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3900.jpg)
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:)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3901.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3907.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3911.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3921.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3922.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3923.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3925.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3927.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/IMG_3928.jpg)
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Looks better than she did ;D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/001-1.jpg)
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Chain tensioner assembly?
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Chain tensioner assembly?
Hawk eye :D :D :D ok 98% finished :D ;)
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Your side covers lowers sections are painted gold which I agree looks better but the originals for some un-Godly reason were Olive-Drab not to be confused with khaki (wouldn’t want that would we ::) ;D) yes that dull horrid flat paint the US and now all military forces paint everything. I personally leave the entire side cover white.
You have done a great job and brought a beautiful bike back from the brink. Are you going to race it?
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Your side covers lowers sections are painted gold which I agree looks better but the originals for some un-Godly reason were Olive-Drab not to be confused with khaki (wouldn’t want that would we ::) ;D) yes that dull horrid flat paint the US and now all military forces paint everything. I personally leave the entire side cover white.
You have done a great job and brought a beautiful bike back from the brink. Are you going to race it?
I managed to get some olive-drab from a friend who use to have his own spray shop but to be honist I did not like it and decided to spary them gold instead ;) Thanks for saying I've done a good job :) I'm not sure what i,m going to do with it yet ;) very tempted to race it but then again tempted to store it away for another 30 years :-\
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Race it! You fixed it up once and you can do it again ;) You know you want to ;D
Yep, I painted my VF250 side cover sections the correct olive-drab. Took all the photos and then removed them as quickly as possible. Do not know what the designers were thinking. My VG414 has that section painted black which looks much better.
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race it! You fixed it up once and you can do it again ;) You know you want to ;D
lol very very tempted mate ;)
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Really enjoyable thread,great rebuild Simon.For my two bobs worth the pleasure you get from a rebuild is doubled by geting the thing out there on the track where its meant to be,nothing better. :D
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I will never understand why the side panels were painted olive drab... Anyway's,
thanks for bringing another Montesa back from the grave! Good job.
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Congratulations on a really sweet job Simon. Nice bike.
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Nice job Simon 8). Must be love going on all the extra arty shots you've posted ;D
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Thank you all for your support and I'm glad you all think I've done a good job :) :) It dose mean a lot and it will push me to do another mont ;D As for the arty shots I'm very lucky to live in the North Yorkshire dales and that moor land is about 200 yards from my front door, So I had no excuse to take some nice pics with out my house or garage been in the shot lol I,m going to try and get the bike in Classic Dirt Bike, I've sent a e-mail to Tim Britten and just had a reply saying they want my bike to be in the mag and also can I take the bike to Staford show for their exhibition hal? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D now I'm very happy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D best not ride it just yet lol
Also I would like to thank Jared at Southwest Montesa for all his help,Its a big shame you cannot open a shop in the uk :)
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Only 10 days to go till the classic bike show 8) My bike is all finished ready for the classic dirtbike stand :) bring it on, got to say thou I will be glad when it is all over so I can get her out for a play :)
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Hi everyone I need your help yet again :( As you may know my cappra will be in the Stafford classic bike show this weekend and I need to fill in an interesting facts sheet about the bike. I am sort of lost as to what to put down. I have the obvious... one of only 339 produced.... last of the Montesa produced bikes before Honda bought them out..... but need a few more. Not sure whether it's supposed to be interesting facts about the bike in general, or whether it includes my experience in rebuilding it?
Any suggestions (within the next few hours) would be grand as the Mrs is doing my tree in wanting to get it filled in tonight lol
Much appreciated :)
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Not the last but close to it, there was a vg yellow and white tanka and also a hand full of prototypes there after, not ever going into production.
I think in 1982 honda brought a 15-25% stake in montesa then in 1986 another lot of money was poured in so they owned 85%, intresting enough I don't think honda ever paid for 100% of montesa. But I could be wrong!!
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Yes Tom the VG series where the last true Montesa MXers but Honda had control in ’81 during their production.
True Montesa bikes continued until 1989 with the Cota 39 series while the H7 Enduros continued until 1987 even transferring to the new Honda built factory in 1985/86.
The H7 used the same basic engine as the VE/VF/VG series although the H7 250 had a reed valve.
Even today the Montesa trials bikes are designed in Spain using Honda engines.
Simon414 is basically correct that the VF series was the last before Hondas involvement. You are also correct that production continued after the VF series.
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I bet nobody knew Loris Caparossi listed his 414 as one of his favourite bikes, think he still has his.
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I know where you can get a stand for your VF to lock it to the ground for free....lol, I bolted my VF to the ground as insurance was not able to be obtained as it was not a reged bike the car/bike insurance didn't want to know and not covered under has and contents as it was a Vehicle. I have just crossed over to honda instead of montesa CR250 1989...
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I bet nobody knew Loris Caparossi listed his 414 as one of his favourite bikes, think he still has his.
Loris has always been a favourite rider of mine 8) Now he is even higher in my estimation. ;D
I know where you can get a stand for your VF to lock it to the ground for free....lol, I bolted my VF to the ground as insurance was not able to be obtained as it was not a reged bike the car/bike insurance didn't want to know and not covered under has and contents as it was a Vehicle. I have just crossed over to honda instead of montesa CR250 1989...
I have all my VMX and twin shockers insured with Shannon's. They are covered for loss or damage all the time except when actually being ridden. fire, theft, accidental damage during transport etc etc. 10 bikes cost $740pa good value I think.
Unfortunately unless you live out Penrith way I can not pick the stand up in the near future.
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In victoria they won't touch them!! So must be diffrent laws in perth....
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I'm in Vic and all my bikes including the four Monties I had were covered. My broker brokered it. ;)
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In victoria they won't touch them!! So must be diffrent laws in perth....
Perth :o who mentioned Perth
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Thank you for your replies lads :) Well I have got back from the bike show and I,m up for doing another one :) I only heard one lad giving my bike a hard time >:( but then again you cannot please everyone, On the plus side I had a lot of people saying well done and what a fantastic bike, A few said they rode one back in the early 80's and wished they still had it. Also had one lad wanting to buy it there and then ;D I turned his offer down ;) Only down side was mine was the only montesa in the whole show :(
I had the photo shoot done with Tim Britton from classic dirt bike mag so I have to wait now to see what they use in the magazine. I will try and post some pics of a few bike from the show in a bit
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Thank you for your replies lads :) Well I have got back from the bike show and I,m up for doing another one :) I only heard one lad giving my bike a hard time >:( but then again you cannot please everyone, On the plus side I had a lot of people saying well done and what a fantastic bike, A few said they rode one back in the early 80's and wished they still had it. Also had one lad wanting to buy it there and then ;D I turned his offer down ;) Only down side was mine was the only montesa in the whole show :(
I had the photo shoot done with Tim Britton from classic dirt bike mag so I have to wait now to see what they use in the magazine. I will try and post some pics of a few bike from the show in a bit
I have just insured mine with Carol Nash in the UK for fire and theft and accidental damage for 10k cover for £63 for the year :)
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Here are some pic's from the weekend, 99% of bikes there were road bikes so I will just post up some to keep it sort of on topic
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/039-1.jpg)
nice little ossa
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/006-5.jpg)
A very nice bultaco which was for sale but my funds would not stretch to it :-[
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/003-3.jpg)
Some rare bultaco trial bikes
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/042.jpg)
My girl before the shoot :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/048.jpg)
Tim Britton and camera man at the start of the shoot, I did not take anymore just in casr they told me off for the extra flashes :D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/007-5.jpg)
I know it dose not belong in here but this was a very clean 82 cr250
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/008-4.jpg)
Also a very clean 92 ktm
I have loads of pics of the weekend of the road bikes from Lc's to ex GP bikes so if anyone would like to see them send me your e-mail address and i will send them to you or if you are on facebook i will can tag you in the photo album ;)
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Put them up 414...we like allsorts on here....anything rare or factory or trick.....I dont think I've seen an Ossa with a shock mount like that.
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Yep those Ossa 'Grippers' look the goods and are very sort after in the UK and Spain. They were (bright) yellow one year and (bright bright) orange the other. The shock mounting gave an unusal leverage rate change through the swinarm arc. Would not have a clue if it is rising, falling or or some combination. I think they look bloody 'grouse' anyway. I knew that word I picked up at HBBB would come in handy ;D
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Yep those Ossa 'Grippers' look the goods and are very sort after in the UK and Spain. They were (bright) yellow one year and (bright bright) orange the other. The shock mounting gave an unusal leverage rate change through the swinarm arc. Would not have a clue if it is rising, falling or or some combination. I think they look bloody 'grouse' anyway. I knew that word I picked up at HBBB would come in handy ;D
A good friend of mine has 6 of the bright orange grippers all in A1 condition that are stored away and 3 yellow ones, and got knows how many italjets.
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Put them up 414...we like allsorts on here....anything rare or factory or trick.....I dont think I've seen an Ossa with a shock mount like that.
ok mate i will post a few more up ;)
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Very nice XT :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/036.jpg)
I had one a RD 400 just like this, wish i still had it
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/021.jpg)
Awsome 3 wheeler ;D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/034.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/032.jpg)
Anyone for a twin motor ;D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/033.jpg)
I cannot remember which GP rider had this bike
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/013-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/015-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/012-2.jpg)
I wish i had this RS 250
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/011-3.jpg)
Nice RM500
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/006-6.jpg)
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NS400 :o :o :o :o :o
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/017.jpg)
RZV 500 :o :o :o :o :o
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/019-2.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/016.jpg)
Micheal Dunlop's Suzuki
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/025.jpg)
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(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/032-1.jpg)
Cool I want one ;D ;D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/031-1.jpg)
Another two motor ;D
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/027-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/026-1.jpg)
Very nice RD 400
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/025-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/024-2.jpg)
Very nice LC :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/022-1.jpg)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/021-1.jpg)
TZR 250 :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/019-3.jpg)
nice kwaker :)
(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac261/Mont349/023-3.jpg)
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AWESOME 414...they dont make bikes like that anymore....how cool is that RD400 in purple?.....most of the road bikes they make nowadays are as boring as batshit....multi clylinder 2 stroke roadbikes are cool. Looked like a pretty cool bike show......and thank god you didnt put any of those American V-twin Briggs and Stratton piles of poo up.
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And thank god you didnt put any of those American V-twin Briggs and Stratton piles of poo up.
;)
Yes. The preferred motorcycle of bank clerks and accountants the world over....
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geezas the twin trumpy's slightly outgunned/rear tyred by the wessie next to it,got a puffer too :o, :P
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They were (bright) yellow one year and (bright bright) orange the other.
I thought it was yellow for the 300 and orange for the 250?
I think they look bloody 'grouse' anyway. I knew that word I picked up at HBBB would come in handy ;D
Agreed!
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The colour break up may have been as you say yellow = 350 & orange = 250
There was only two years of them I think. Feetupfun will be able to confirm I am sure. Don't think any came to Australia other than personal imports
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I have just fired up the old girl :o :o :o Sod this keeping it as it is lark i,m going to race her ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D end of the day I have rebuilt it once so I can always do it again ;)
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that is great 8) these bikes are made to race they look somehow sad all fixed up and just sitting there
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that is great 8) these bikes are made to race they look somehow sad all fixed up and just sitting there
Yeah your right mate :) anyway i,ve rebuilt it once so I can do it again :D I was going to take it out today on my old practice track but I got called out on a job grrrrrrr just one little question is there a easy way of starting it??? When I started it yesterday I did it like I use to do on my cr500 4 or 5 light strokes to get the petrol in the crank find tdc and a sharp kick. Even doing this it took about 5 mins to start ??? any ideas??
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With my 414 when cold. Fuel on, choke on (Bing), 7 (yes seven) priming strokes to charge the engine, push engine just past compression, return kick starter to top of stroke and kick like you hate it ;).
The kick start should be rotated forward on the spline so that the the end is almost level to the botton fins on the cylinder. It looks wrong but gives that big extra travel.
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With my 414 when cold. Fuel on, choke on (Bing), 7 (yes seven) priming strokes to charge the engine, push engine just past compression, return kick starter to top of stroke and kick like you hate it ;).
The kick start should be rotated forward on the spline so that the the end is almost level to the botton fins on the cylinder. It looks wrong but gives that big extra travel.
:D :D kick it like you hate it :D :D :D I like that one :D :D I will give that a go tomorrow when I get back from work :) :) I've got my kick start as far forward as poss ;)
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For anyone in the uk the classic dirtbike show will be on ITV4 tonight at 8pm :) lets see if my bike has made it to tv ;D
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Well my old girl in is this months classic dirtbike magazine issue 26 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D chuffed to bits with what they have done with the photo's and right up ;D ;D
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Well my old girl in is this months classic dirtbike magazine issue 26 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D chuffed to bits with what they have done with the photo's and right up ;D ;D
Good for you mate, i might have to buy it!!
Sandy
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Just a quick update for you all........ I've started to ride my cappra ;D ;D The temptation got the better of me!!!!!
I ran it in and took it to a local grasstrack for a little play ;D got to say it kept with the new mx bikes and held her own on the starts ( would be even better if I could keep the front end down off the line!!)
The bike rode ok but there is room for a lot of improvement on my carb set up.
So my next question it this.... Carb set up?? what size main and idle jets should I be using for grasstracks? and also the needle possision and air screw. The last thing I want is to be full throttle down the straight and chop it off in the top corner for it to seize up with lack of air and fuel (been down this road toooooo many times at the weston beach race) Or is there a different carb that I could try??
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As much as I love Bing carbs, the replacement costs are crazy! We have been using 38mm Mikuni's on the 414's for some years with good results.
This is the baseline jetting we start with for 2000 ft elevation.
Main jet-350
pilot jet-45
needle-6FJ6
needle jet-166 Q6
standard 2.5 slide
removed air jet
We also install a UFO slide insert which smooth's the airflow on the bottom of the slide. Adds a couple of horsepower.
All of this adds up to about the same output as the Bing, but with much less problems.
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As much as I love Bing carbs, the replacement costs are crazy! We have been using 38mm Mikuni's on the 414's for some years with good results.
This is the baseline jetting we start with for 2000 ft elevation.
Main jet-350
pilot jet-45
needle-6FJ6
needle jet-166 Q6
standard 2.5 slide
removed air jet
We also install a UFO slide insert which smooth's the airflow on the bottom of the slide. Adds a couple of horsepower.
All of this adds up to about the same output as the Bing, but with much less problems.
Thank you for that mate I will keep my eyes open for a Mikuni carb. Is that the jetting for the 38mm Mikuni or for the Bing?? I,ve never heard of the UFO slide insert before!
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Jetting specs are for a 38mm Mikuni (standard round slide)
Here is the link for the slide mod.
http://www.thunderproducts.com/u_f_o.htm
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Jetting specs are for a 38mm Mikuni (standard round slide)
Here is the link for the slide mod.
http://www.thunderproducts.com/u_f_o.htm
Thank you for that mate I will keep my eyes open for a Mikuni carb :)