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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: VMX247 on March 11, 2011, 05:51:38 pm
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Thoughts are with the VMXer's in Japan ! :(
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3161866.htm?section=justin
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/03/11/3161924.htm
OMG its a big"in
yep Marcfx stay safe
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They're really coming at us thick and fast.
Isn't Marc in Japan?
Thoughts and prayers to all affected.
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Horrendous footage of Tsnami, very sad. With the movement round the Pacific rim if you lived on the San Andreus fault up the west coast of USA you'd be starting to worry. :-[
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Kia Ora Mark hope you and freinds ok, Mike
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Marc hope your all good mate :) let us know
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Bill, watch for the sunami on lake Taupo
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Pardon my french-But F**king Earthquakes-when will this shit stop.
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Pardon my french-But F**king Earthquakes-when will this shit stop.
As soon as the carbon tax is implemented ;D
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Just got an email from Marc,hes ok.Sounded scary!!
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Hey guys,
yeah more than a little scary on the 18th floor. But take a moment for the people in front of the Tsunami, I got to watch people die live on TV, it has me a little rattled.
however just managed to get hold of my wife so that is my big worry sorted/
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Good to hear. That's two accounted for. But what about the other 120,000,000?
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Good to hear. That's two accounted for. But what about the other 120,000,000?
most are OK but not all of them, city (Tokyo) has a lot of fires
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The construction of the overpasses in Tokyo impressed me. Serious chains linking the bridge sections to the uprights. Just for cases like this.
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Watching the news tonight was sureal first the Japanese quake then a story about Fevola!! WTF!!! what sort of people do we have running our news rooms? In light of recent events who gives a flying f***k about that shit head!!!
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I can't imagine the terror that the people near the shoreline must have had seeing that mass of water rushing in. I hope that there were many miracle survivals and I wish them all the best. Crazy weather and events, it's like the Earth is sending all of us a message.
Kevin
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Good to hear you and family are alright Marc...was watching it live TV too as it hit.
That tsunami wall of wave was massive and whatever was in its path had no hope.
cheers...mario
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great your both ok Mike
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Yeah long walk home like the rest of Tokyo, never thought I would miss the rush hour trains. We are still getting a few after shocks, plan to go over to the shop this morning and check the bikes are OK.
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At least 35 boats were crushed in a northern Californian harbour as a tsunami triggered by the massive 8.9-magnitude earthquake in Japan began hitting the US west coast after rolling through Hawaii.
Some 7,000 people were evacuated from the harbour area in Crescent City, 350 miles north of San Francisco, said emergency services manager Cindy Henderson.
"We have at least 35 boats that have been crushed. We have boats on top of other boats," she said, adding that their last surge had registered 2.5 metres - although it had not yet breached the sides of the harbour.
"Thankfully we're almost at low tide. We're expected to get even higher," she said, adding that, if the water does spill out of the harbour, "those boats will become battering rams once it surges."
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What's happening to Mother Earth?....Cyclones, earthquakes, floods, bushfires, tsunamis, and all sorts of natural disasters all seem to have come in a cluster. I'm headed for Walters bomb shelter with a bunch of Les Norton books 'til it all settles down! ;D
*I'm glad all's well in your patch Marc. ;)
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Theres a pretty good theory that the moon is as close to us it gets in a 36 year cycle and it has a lot of magnetic force on the earth.
Tokyo is very quiet this morning
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What's happening to Mother Earth?....Cyclones, earthquakes, floods, bushfires, tsunamis, and all sorts of natural disasters all seem to have come in a cluster. I'm headed for Walters bomb shelter with a bunch of Les Norton books 'til it all settles down! ;D
2012 THE END according to Inca legend???
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Theres a pretty good theory that the moon is as close to us it gets in a 36 year cycle and it has a lot of magnetic force on the earth.
More likely the correct assumption Mark
Good to hear that you and yours are OK.
God Speed the rest of the poor buggers.
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Hard to say the reasons but the Ring of Fire is becoming more active right now. This guy follows earthquake/volcano activity and has some interesting commentary (and also on matters financial and AGW).
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/
He's a bit concerned about the current state of the Icelandic volcanoes
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/volcano-watch-metric/
Let's hope it all settles down soon...
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Theres a pretty good theory that the moon is as close to us it gets in a 36 year cycle and it has a lot of magnetic force on the earth.
Tokyo is very quiet this morning
Here I am taking the piss out of your sheep [ another thread ] and you,re in the middle of a disaster.
Talk about timing.
Glad your ok. :)
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http://chiefio.wordpress.com/
Thanks Graeme,
From long ago I was handed a belief and I have stuck with that since.Its strange now, how I don't concern myself with other beliefs,perhaps I have become so one eyed.
Unless of course I'm actually at the biblical spot to read the belief myself,then I'm interested..
There ya go bit of heavy stuff for a saturday morning. ;D
cheers A
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If you want to get philosophical about it, 2012 is supposed to be a bitch according to the Mayans, so he who dies with the most toys wins! Admittedly I don’t have all the toys I’m hoping for now but if I knew that that was checkout day there would be nothing wrong with getting my project RM finished by then and riding it through Hay street mall (Perth) naked, pissed and on one wheel!!!
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RM riding it through Hay street mall (Perth) naked, pissed and on one wheel!!!
Do it now !! :o we need free WAVMX publicity !! ;D ;D
cheers A
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Why dont YOU do the lady Gidiva thing Ali? ;D
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Why dont YOU do the lady Gidiva thing Ali? ;D
No media cameras out here in the sticks ;D suppose I could just youtube a flick up ;) ::) :D
cheers A
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A 6.1-magnitude earthquake struck the South Pacific nation of Tonga this afternoon, according to the US Geological Survey.
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A 6.1-magnitude earthquake struck the South Pacific nation of Tonga this afternoon, according to the US Geological Survey.
mmm not good -- the Japanese nuclear plants not going too well at the moment either !
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If you want to get philosophical about it, 2012 is supposed to be a bitch according to the Mayans, so he who dies with the most toys wins! Admittedly I don’t have all the toys I’m hoping for now but if I knew that that was checkout day there would be nothing wrong with getting my project RM finished by then and riding it through Hay street mall (Perth) naked, pissed and on one wheel!!!
I went down Wellington Street Perth on my back wheel on a 250 PE, all was going well (about 100 metres) when I noticed a bus in front of me that was not moving. Tapped the rear brake pedal, dropped the front wheel and grabbed the front brake lever. That was the first time I have ever seen a bike go up on the front wheel with the rear wheel high in the air. Stopped the bike behind the bus and I had a metre and a half to spare. The amazing part was this took place on a Saturday morning and not a plod in sight. All I can say is I should have worn Brown Jumbo Corduroy jeans that day.
Kevin
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If you want to get philosophical about it, 2012 is supposed to be a bitch according to the Mayans,
I was in Mexico and the Mayans reckon 2012 is a load of cock. Anyway we are off to get in some food, gas is off, power is a bit all over the place, but the convenience store has well stocked booze selection.
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Anyone know if the S,Y,K,H factories have been affected? I think theres gonna be some delays with orders at least if they were not hit.
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Woops might be time to go home Marc that Neuk power station just went woompa.
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Yeah that sounds bad doesn't but i wonder if they (media) are just hyping it up/over exaggerating and then it never happens or no where near as bad as predicted. Remember the Floods and Cyclone a few weeks/months back ;)
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If you want to get philosophical about it, 2012 is supposed to be a bitch according to the Mayans,
I was in Mexico and the Mayans reckon 2012 is a load of cock. Anyway we are off to get in some food, gas is off, power is a bit all over the place, but the convenience store has well stocked booze selection.
Marc stock up on the single malt,it will put us on the same page.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/
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Not flash at all, poor buggers, the video link on the herald site shows the plant blowing its lid...
Brett
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Is this what they said would wipe out all of Japan and half or Asia due to the radiation?
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Is this what they said would wipe out all of Japan and half or Asia due to the radiation?
Don't you hate it when the old Nuke goes up. :o Anyway we have a few loaves of bread and eggs, drinks have run low again ...... :o
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Fukushima .... did they know something way back then.
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Re the Nuke plant: when completely shut down (control rods fully inserted) nukes of the Westinghouse design produce 6MW. This heat needs to be removed and hence emergency pumps are needed. The emergency pump(s) started but then failed after one hour.
When the cooling water becomes too hot it bubbles (just like the water in your kettle) this reduces the waters effectiveness as a moderator so it doesn't slow/stop neutrons as well as it should. The result is the core becoming hotter which creates more bubbles etc..
Reactors are built with huge factors of safety (40 rings a bell) so 1.5 times normal or operating pressure shouldn't bea big deal.
Reports I have read say that the building was destroyed but the reactor remains intact. So what "blew"?
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…so 1.5 times normal or operating pressure shouldn't bea big deal.
Reports I have read say that the building was destroyed but the reactor remains intact. So what "blew"?
It might not be a big deal, but then why are they venting the excess pressure into the atmosphere? I wouldn't want to live down wind…
Perhaps if politicians and their families were required to live nearby [downwind] of this kind of facility then they might think twice about the safety of nuclear power. It's all good til something goes wrong… :o
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It might not be a big deal, but then why are they venting the excess pressure into the atmosphere? I wouldn't want to live down wind…
Pure water used for cooling will produce two families of isotopes, those of hydrogen (deuterium and tritium) and those of oxygen. Those of oxygen are very short lived (half life in the order of an hour, depending on the isotope) and of hydrogen deuterium is benign but tritium is nasty stuff and very rare. So a vent may not a bad thing.
But the question remains, if they vented why did it destoy the building?
From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium)):
Health risks
Tritium is an isotope of hydrogen, which allows it to readily bind to hydroxyl radicals, forming tritiated water (HTO), and to carbon atoms. Since tritium is a low energy beta emitter, it is not dangerous externally (its beta particles are unable to penetrate the skin), but it is a radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food or water, or absorbed through the skin. HTO has a short biological half life in the human body of seven to 14 days, which both reduces the total effects of single-incident ingestion and precludes long-term bioaccumulation of HTO from the environment.
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It might not be a big deal, but then why are they venting the excess pressure into the atmosphere? I wouldn't want to live down wind…
Most nukes are built away from populous areas, urban creep soon brings the population within spitting distance.
It's also an economic balancing act to place the nukes as far away from populous areas as possible but keep the cost of the power lines ($$$$) that connect it to the grid as low as possible.
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but it is a radiation hazard when inhaled
So all is good as long as nobody breaths? :o
Sorry, I am not trying to be flippant. My heart goes out to everybody in Japan, the 10,000 missing residents and to those trying their best to help in whatever way they can. But all this flies in the face of the politicians and their assurances of nuclear safety and their ability to contain its power and contamination in the event of a disaster.
Short term gain for long term catastrophe - Oh, sorry politicians don't worry about the long term do they? We tell our kids not to take the easy way out, shame we as adults can't adhere to the same message.
So a vent may not a bad thing.
That could be right, but it could never be described as a good thing either.
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Third nuclear reactor under threat
COOLING system in third nuclear reactor at Fukushima No. 1 plant has stopped working leading to further fears of explosion.
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COOLING system in third nuclear reactor at Fukushima No. 1 plant has stopped working leading to further fears of explosion.
I have worked at Fukushima and also some other nuclear station in Japan and Korea, the emergency cooling systems are diesel generators, in this case one of our clients DGs ..... they crash start have to come to full power within 30 seconds and then just hold as long as required. Asking a lot of 30 year old engine that has been started only in testing for years.... like a VMXer really.
Anyway few good aftershocks this morning and I will probably take the dogs to the park as beautiful day.
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the emergency cooling systems are diesel generators
I know some use jet turbines. This serves two purposes, first, for situations like these and, secondly, as a peak power compliment on the grid. In the case I was thinking of the turbines were separted by about 30 kms and connected by the grid. Not a good idea if the grid is damaged.
At the accelerator facility at which I worked we had whacking great diesels. Three of 'em. And when they started as a result of a power dip what was previously a quite day turned interesting very quickly. We had to run around shutting down magnet psus, backing up data and the like. Eventually we installed a UPS. The largest in the southern hemisphere.
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looks like the whacking Diesels didn't hold up there end of the bargain..... they are not totally earthquake proof by the looks. ...blame french engineering
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But the question remains, if they vented why did it destoy the building?
because Hydrogen can go Bang! if in large quantities and they seemingly had lots of it. Now where did the Hydrogen come from? urm.. that sounds bad. Zirconium on the rods getting too hot?
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At the meatworks where I used to work the last line of defence on the freezers was a hand crank VW engine coupled to a little compressor. :o
Just kept the place ticking over till we got it fixed.
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At the meatworks where I used to work the last line of defence on the freezers was a hand crank VW engine coupled to a little compressor. :o
Just kept the place ticking over till we got it fixed.
Probably was bought as surplus after the Vietnam war. The air cooled VW engines were in pretty common use by the Australians over there to power generators, refrigeration etc...
There has been another Hydrogen explosion at No. 3. So does this radioactive stuff act like magnesium, in that,when it gets extremly hot and suck the oxygen out of the water which intensifies the burn rate and leaves the hydrogen to go bang? I've seen what happens when you spray water onto a burning magnesium VW gearbox case.. nasty
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You holding up the economy Marcfx or still partaking in a few ale's ? ;D
cheers A
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You holding up the economy Marcfx or still partaking in a few ale's ? ;D
cheers A
Yeah went on a 3 day bender since Fridays earthquake, now just sitting about waiting to get Nuked. Just shutting up the office and transfering business down to Kobe where it is err 'safe'
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You holding up the economy Marcfx or still partaking in a few ale's ? ;D
cheers A
Yeah went on a 3 day bender since Fridays earthquake, now just sitting about waiting to get Nuked. Just shutting up the office and transfering business down to Kobe where it is err 'safe'
and the bikes ? all good ?
cheers A
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The generators at the reactors were positioned just over tthe large sea walls that were built to halt the tsunami wave. Just nobody figured on a 10m wave would just go over the wall and swap the generators. Oh dear.
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I don't think we need to worry about this situation anymore. I noticed Carl Stefinwhatshisface was there on the news this morning (Channel 9)
He had the deeply concerned face, the deeply concerned voice and he'll ask the hard questions. It'll all be fixed in no time.
I must say that my sympathies go to all affected by this earthquake, Christchurch and the recent floods. I thank the stars, gods or what ever that I have not been involved in any of these things but these pratts who constantly turn up on the spot and dribble on mindlessly do tend to trivialise the whole thing.
I can only assume there is some sort of media award for having the most concerned face or voice on location.
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I don't think we need to worry about this situation anymore. I noticed Carl Stefinwhatshisface was there on the news this morning (Channel 9)
I was very interested though on his info about how Nucleur energy and safety has never moved forward due to politics :( ::)
cheers A
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and the bikes ? all good ?
cheers A
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bikes are fine, inside scoop on the cooling emergency engines are they went under water during the Tsunami, started automatically but went out again on high oil temps..... so probably it took on water they have moved on the bed in relation to the pump. one of the engine builders engineers got caught up in the explosion this afternoon. Nobody was killed so the media talked it up a bit.
Those engines are pretty bomb proof even flooded so it is likely they can be bought back to life.
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I was very interested though on his info about how Nucleur energy and safety has never moved forward due to politics :( ::)
cheers A
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Ain't that the truth, everything was certified in the 60s and a lot of the technology is still stuck in it, as it is too hard to get through the UN /Atomic Energy Commission bureaucracy to update anything.
Bit like US air traffic control if you have ever read about that, which still runs the technology of a Space Invaders machine.
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I got word that;
- Most if not all the main manafacturing sites for us have no (or not enough) power to sustain production.
- Until further notice, most workers have been told not to come into work.
- Transportation is strained as public transport is nearly all electric.
- When i spoke to one of co-workers today, he said that there is no petrol to be had.
And this is in Kanagawa prefecture, south of Yokohama.
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I don't think we need to worry about this situation anymore. I noticed Carl Stefinwhatshisface was there on the news this morning (Channel 9)
He had the deeply concerned face, the deeply concerned voice and he'll ask the hard questions. It'll all be fixed in no time.
I must say that my sympathies go to all affected by this earthquake, Christchurch and the recent floods. I thank the stars, gods or what ever that I have not been involved in any of these things but these pratts who constantly turn up on the spot and dribble on mindlessly do tend to trivialise the whole thing.
I can only assume there is some sort of media award for having the most concerned face or voice on location.
True Brent thankfully Carl and most of the English speaking media can't ask tactful questions to survivors like "Just how does it feel to have your family, your house, your neighbours and all your friends washed away in an instant?"
A question came up when we were talking about the tsunami today. WTF will they do with and where will all that rubbish go? I'm thinking you wuold need every chrome truck in Japan continualy taking loads to some giant recycling plant, that separated timber from metal.
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Yeah went on a 3 day bender since Fridays earthquake
We all give thanks to the almighty in our own way.... ;D
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The generators at the reactors were positioned just over tthe large sea walls that were built to halt the tsunami wave. Just nobody figured on a 10m wave would just go over the wall and swap the generators. Oh dear.
Oh FFS!!!
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Ain't that the truth, everything was certified in the 60s and a lot of the technology is still stuck in it, as it is too hard to get through the UN /Atomic Energy Commission bureaucracy to update anything.
The control systems on Nukes still run on relay logic. The rationale is good. Too many yahoos code PLC's without thinking the software through properly (see IEC 61508 and 61513). Relay logic forces a strict revision code for changes.
As an example and one that was particularly close to (my) home google the Therac 25 incidents.
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At the meatworks where I used to work the last line of defence on the freezers was a hand crank VW engine coupled to a little compressor. :o
Just kept the place ticking over till we got it fixed.
I've seen what happens when you spray water onto a burning magnesium VW gearbox case.. nasty
Try putting them out with a fire extinguisher.
The end result is interesting to say the least.
Caustic on magnesium . :o
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Plenty of after shocks during the night ..... just got asked by Switzerland the risk to delivery, told the the radioactive steam keeps fogging up the van drivers windows.
Meanwhile our HR guy is calling himself the 'Business Sustainability Controller' ..... called everyone to the office for ' business as usual'. I stood my people down regardless and I notice HR copied my mail to my staff and made it official policy 4 hours later.
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As you can see by THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9AgXoni6Go) going to be a long while untill things are back to some semblence of normality along the Sendai coast. :-[ Doesn't need words
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Theres some really graphic shit coming out on youtube and facebook now...hope people dont entertain in it. >:(
I'm glad my computor bloked it-cause it gave me time to think, about if I really wanted to see the ugly slaughter :'( I didn't.
cheers A
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I've been thinking the last couple of years or so that we should have nuc power in OZ. My thoughts are going toward anti nuclear right now. If the Japs can't get it right, we have no hope.. I'm not saying they made a mistake, but realistically- japan relies on fishing greatly, so building that thing right on the coast is like taking a fart in your sink every night, one time in a hundred its gunna turn out to be a number two. Back to the good old coal eh..
Quite sincerely, feel so sorry for all of the people there
Brett
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I've been thinking the last couple of years or so that we should have nuc power in OZ. My thoughts are going toward anti nuclear right now. If the Japs can't get it right, we have no hope..
Marcfx or someone maybe able to enlighten us more on this.I've been doing some research/reading and TEPC (Toyko Electric Power Company) seem to have more power(no pun intended) over the Japanese Media,Japanese government and the pollyies in Japan.This is not a blame just an observation.
I'm all for nuc and its time we moved forward and used our hidden knowledge to use it properly or just go for a bit of wind like you say oldyzman ;D
cheers A
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Marcfx or someone maybe able to enlighten us more on this.I've been doing some research/reading and TEPC (Toyko Electric Power Company) seem to have more power(no pun intended) over the Japanese Media,Japanese government and the pollyies in Japan.
cheers A
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Good observation, TEPCO are typical Japanese Government agency that is all powerful, that's how the Japanese can run such a dysfunctional government. It has a historical dimension .... the Bakufu were the Samurai bureaucrats who became more powerful than the Tokugawa, and they still run the shop.
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TEPCO's handling of the Fukushima disaster should be a model for western companies, they were quick to react and apologies were many. Unlike Australian companies, they would still be saying that the explosions were part of routine maintenance. Spare a thought for the 50 staff still working there, some brave pills needed there.
The plant was built near the ocean for a good reason which is being used right now, when all else fails the reactor can be cooled using sea water, without the sea water there would probably be a massive hole in the ground right now.
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The plant was built near the ocean for a good reason which is being used right now, when all else fails the reactor can be cooled using sea water, without the sea water there would probably be a massive hole in the ground right now.
whadda ya mean when all else fails? They started using sea water almost immediately (after the deisel backups failed), they already lost a some firetrucks loaded with sea water when one of the later explosions happened .Now they are short on trucks.
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;D sneaky-maybe thats what TEPCO told the government and people during the evonvir/building process approvels-
"sea water is good !! we have many" :-\
cheers A
It has a historical dimension .... the Bakufu were the Samurai bureaucrats who became more powerful than the Tokugawa.
Crikey- can you imagine what the Australian History is going to read in 2000 years compared to the Japanese :o
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I'm all for nuc and its time we moved forward and used our hidden knowledge to use it properly or just go for a bit of wind like you say oldyzman ;D
cheers A
the bit that enrages a pro-nuke when I ask "what do you do with the waste"? and keep asking it ;D
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I'm all for nuc and its time we moved forward and used our hidden knowledge to use it properly or just go for a bit of wind like you say oldyzman ;D
cheers A
the bit that enrages a pro-nuke when I ask "what do you do with the waste"? and keep asking it ;D
Like all other waste we produce-bury it,sink it,fly it out ??
cheers A
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TEPCO's handling of the Fukushima disaster should be a model for western companies, they were quick to react and apologies were many. Unlike Australian companies, they would still be saying that the explosions were part of routine maintenance. Spare a thought for the 50 staff still working there, some brave pills needed there.
The plant was built near the ocean for a good reason which is being used right now, when all else fails the reactor can be cooled using sea water, without the sea water there would probably be a massive hole in the ground right now.
I think that is putting a very silver lining on a very dark nuclear cloud ::).
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This is going to set the nuclear power 'cause' back a long way I suspect, especially if it really goes bad. I don't know what to think about nuclear - the waste issue is a biggie then you have the risk of leaks like this. With the world seemingly intent on moving away from coal it looks like our future may not be as rosy energy wise. I don't know the facts well enough but the 60 odd windmills they've put up near here are an absolute eyesore...
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The diesel generators were gone in the tsunami, what do you do then? Graeme compare TEPCO's response to that of BP's CEO during the Gulf oil spill? I don't think he was out sailing over the weekend?
I don't think anyone has a answer to the nuclear waste problem other than digging a big hole and sticking it there. If it was inert I could use the depleted uranium for crank weights ;D
A expert put numbers on the scale of the tsunami 2m of sea water over a 300km fault line was moved in a instant.
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TEPCO's handling of the Fukushima disaster should be a model for western companies, they were quick to react and apologies were many.
TEPCO have a history of nuclear procedural eff ups that would leave the soviet states looking as pure as the driven snow
The plant was built near the ocean for a good reason which is being used right now, when all else fails the reactor can be cooled using sea water, without the sea water there would probably be a massive hole in the ground right now.
All nukes are built close to a large body of water. Cheaper than cooling towers, also more reliable.
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Like all other waste we produce-bury it,sink it,fly it out ??
Sinking's not a bad option. The IAEA has been watching the sites where the Russkis dumped their used submarine reactors in the sea. Net result on the marine ecology: zip.
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I would skip CNN for your information, mine is coming from the Director of the British atomic energy commission who addressed Tokyo BCCJ last night together with UK director of public health.
Sorry but I will take their opinion over an Aussie TV commentator that has just discovered the booze in Japan is 1/2 the price of Australia.
Anyway, the chance of large scale radiation leak, categorically NO .... clouds of death floating over Tokyo, NO. Possibility to cool the reactor now that they are all shut down.... very high.
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Meanwhile, on the other side off the pacific a major one awaits-overdue for a major earthquake by over 100yrs and no plans, no where near as prepared(?) a Japan was and nowhere to run and hide. much flatter area over a larger expanse. AND a nuke plant with over 120m kgs of stored nuke waste.
If I lived in California I would be taking a long holiday. Or anywhere from Vancouver to Mexico for that matter.
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This is going to set the nuclear power 'cause' back a long way I suspect, especially if it really goes bad. I don't know what to think about nuclear - the waste issue is a biggie then you have the risk of leaks like this. With the world seemingly intent on moving away from coal it looks like our future may not be as rosy energy wise. I don't know the facts well enough but the 60 odd windmills they've put up near here are an absolute eyesore...
yep its already talks inthe EU are already happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEAKvjITOx4&feature=related
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Meanwhile, on the other side off the pacific a major one awaits-overdue for a major earthquake by over 100yrs and no plans, no where near as prepared(?) a Japan was and nowhere to run and hide. much flatter area over a larger expanse. AND a nuke plant with over 120m kgs of stored nuke waste.
If I lived in California I would be taking a long holiday. Or anywhere from Vancouver to Mexico for that matter.
Yep good time to go back east ! if only to avoid the possible fallout from Japan let lone an earthquake scenario
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX8nZZKwLH0
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I don't know the facts well enough but the 60 odd windmills they've put up near here are an absolute eyesore...
That's what they said about the Taj Mahal, it's the way yoo loogit them. Next time try looking through rose tinted glasses, nice big props going round, very majestic, mesmerising..............
The main trouble with wind turbines is the debilitating migranes everyone suffers, they recon...........what do the peeble who work on them do? Must wear tinfoil hats, maybe peeble who are having trouble could do that, a bonus is they would stop the mind control of aliens as well.
They are of coarse dangerous to birds, they explode when they get too near them.
If you paint your house the paint won't dry.
The noise is horrendous they recon, a four wheel drive on a road 2K's away is louder.
The dog gets sick
These are all problems trotted out by NIMBY's
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Oh well as some wise old vmxer once said "back to the man cave" ;D
cheers A
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I don't know the facts well enough but the 60 odd windmills they've put up near here are an absolute eyesore...
That's what they said about the Taj Mahal, it's the way yoo loogit them. Next time try looking through rose tinted glasses, nice big props going round, very majestic, mesmerising..............
The main trouble with wind turbines is the debilitating migranes everyone suffers, they recon...........what do the peeble who work on them do? Must wear tinfoil hats, maybe peeble who are having trouble could do that, a bonus is they would stop the mind control of aliens as well.
They are of coarse dangerous to birds, they explode when they get too near them.
If you paint your house the paint won't dry.
The noise is horrendous they recon, a four wheel drive on a road 2K's away is louder.
The dog gets sick
These are all problems trotted out by NIMBY's
hahaha - what happens when the wind's not blowing? Have you never heard of 'Base Load'?
You may be happy to only have electricity to your house when the wind's blowing (or the sun's shining with solar), but i would lke to be able to turn my lights on when it gets dark..
And not have constant brown outs
Cool - let's all hold hands, sing kumbaya, and voluntarily move back to the middle ages.. ::)
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That may not be so far from the truth either. I see in the UK the head of their electricity commission has suggested that in the future people may need to get used to electricity being 'on demand' rather than 'always on'.
Here's a few thoughts on 'base load'. It's an interesting read.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2011/03/the-base-load-misconception-part-1/
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And that worries me just as much.
Electricity on demand? Electricity becoming rare?
What happens when something becomes rare? Prices get pushed up...
Those that can afford it offer to pay a premium to ensure they have access all the time (I know I would if I could), and those less fortunate miss out entirely.
The electricity ends up going to those that can afford to pay the most for it.
Suddenly we've undone all the social advances made over the last 150 years and moved back to the Class System (have's and have nots)...
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Mr 400c, I wasn't saying just use wind. Gas is a very underused resource, can use that to support peak loads. Lotsa coal left too, maybe only 150 years but there will be betterer technoligies by then.
Power/water used to be considered utlily's, now their commodity's just to make money. Tell everybody how rare they are and you can gouge more. Look at the oil crises in the 70's, they said there was only enough oil in the world for thiry years!!!! Now they say there's only enough oil in the world for thirty years........................ ;D
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Mr 400c, I wasn't saying just use wind. Gas is a very underused resource, can use that to support peak loads. Lotsa coal left too, maybe only 150 years but there will be betterer technoligies by then.
Power/water used to be considered utlily's, now their commodity's just to make money. Tell everybody how rare they are and you can gouge more. Look at the oil crises in the 70's, they said there was only enough oil in the world for thiry years!!!! Now they say there's only enough oil in the world for thirty years........................ ;D
Not a problem - that's what I get for turning up late to a discussion heh? haha
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I don't know the facts well enough but the 60 odd windmills they've put up near here are an absolute eyesore...
If you paint your house the paint won't dry.
Paint will dry[ real quick] if you have one of those nuclear thingys up wind of the turbine.
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Anyway, the chance of large scale radiation leak, categorically NO .... clouds of death floating over Tokyo, NO. Possibility to cool the reactor now that they are all shut down.... very high.
http://mitnse.com/ doesn't sound quite so sanguine.
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Not a big fan of nuclear power. It has one major flaw, it's run by humans. I would suggest that all pro nuclear people be put on an emergency call out list. So whenever there's a melt down they can volounteer to clean it up.
If they could scale nuclear powerplants down to a small size would you have one in the house to supply your power?
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Not a big fan of nuclear power. It has one major flaw, it's run by humans. I would suggest that all pro nuclear people be put on an emergency call out list. So whenever there's a melt down they can volounteer to clean it up.
If they could scale nuclear powerplants down to a small size would you have one in the house to supply your power?
vERY WELL
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I'll try again........
Very well put crash & Burn.
What I don't get is if they are sitting on a pile of hot rocks, why don't they use thermohydro like Un Zud.
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What I don't get is if they are sitting on a pile of hot rocks, why don't they use thermohydro like Un Zud.
Probably because they can't get the same power from a thermo power station that they can get from a nuke.
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Last night the Tepco power company workers announced that 150 of them had volunteered to give up their lives at the work site to repair the damage. It was very moving.
Today road is bulldozed to allow heavy fire appliances direct access plus helicoptors are dropping water from monsoon buckets in relay, so things are moving/
I met with Japanese friend who works for Nuclear Research Institute last night, he said key issue is fuel pool that is exposed to amosphere. But they have direct access to flood it.
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I'll try again........
Very well put crash & Burn.
What I don't get is if they are sitting on a pile of hot rocks, why don't they use thermohydro like Un Zud.
+1 ;)
I know the attractions of nuclear but even accepting the engineers reassurances of guaranteed safety (which is obviously absolute bullshit given the latest events) the question has always been 'what do you do with the radioactive spent fuel?'. And don't give me bullshit that its being safe on the bottom of the sea for the last 50 years. It's got to be guaranteed safe, not 'maybe with a bit of luck' safe, for 20,000+ years.
And don't get me started about the forking French who get 80% of their electricity from nuclear, and thereby putting all the world at risk, and then being the 'holier than thou' reduce your carbon pollution advocates. If they haven't got an agenda and ulterior motive I haven't seen one. fork the French and their selfish ways.
Now we have 'The Experts' saying "gee we were unlucky, the plant survived the earthquake but we got the double whammy of a tsunami!!!" Earthquake = tsunami, tsunami = earthquake, Japan the most earthquake prone, the most tsunami prone country on earth - who would have thought!!!
And geothermal is probably the most concentrated natural occurring source of energy there is.
Venting off. :P
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key issue is fuel pool that is exposed to amosphere. But they have direct access to flood it.
This is a concern internationally. Increased environmental pressure has curtailed free movement of waste hence there is a build up of used rods in the storage pools in all nukes. These rods MUST be kept a minimum distance apart and MUST be cooled (remember the rods will continue to fission even when removed from the reactor). Failure to adhere to either condition can result in the rods going critical. Not "bang" critical (that's impossible at the levels of enrichment used by power stations) but very radioactive critical.
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What I don't get is if they are sitting on a pile of hot rocks, why don't they use thermohydro like Un Zud.
Probably because they can't get the same power from a thermo power station that they can get from a nuke.
And you don't get the same catastrophic world threatening, generation threatening, probs either. ::)
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And geothermal is probably the most concentrated natural occurring source of energy there is.
Cost. You dig a hole 50km's deep and try and pump water UP from it. You need a forking great pump. It's fine for some areas where the earths crust is thin like NZ or Iceland but not cost effective elsewhere.
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What I don't get is if they are sitting on a pile of hot rocks, why don't they use thermohydro like Un Zud.
Probably because they can't get the same power from a thermo power station that they can get from a nuke.
And you don't get the same catastrophic world threatening, generation threatening, probs either. ::)
If you read Marcs post and if Marcs source is correct the whole thing has been blown so far out of proportion it's silly. Low water levels in the spent fuel pool? That's an inconvenience not a catastophe. Sure it would be a big problem if the water dried up completely but that isn't the case.
P.S. there's a story about some visitor oohing and ahhíng about the Cherenkov radiation at the bottom of the spent fuel pool, "how dangerous is it?"he asked his host. At which point his host stripped off and swam across the pool. Point is that water absorbs neutrons and the is subject to the inverse square law.
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If you read Marcs post and if Marcs source is correct the whole thing has been blown so far out of proportion it's silly. Low water levels in the spent fuel pool? That's an inconvenience not a catastophe.[/quote]
Inconveinience is under stating it, my source works for Japanese Scientific research Center and has radiation monitoring equipment. He said the issue is to detect the radioactive ions from background radiation.
Anyway they have new roads and are moving fire pumps and other heavy equipment in to clear the debri.
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He said the issue is to detect the radioactive ions from background radiation.
That says a lot. The radiation emmited is in the same ballpark as backgound (not a lot, unless you live in south western india).
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So exposed fuel rods in four reactors is nothing to worry about? There are still 6 people missing from explosions/steam clouds/exhaust what ever you like to call them.
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It's certainly no Chernobyl as the press are trying to imply. A serious problem no question but how exposed are they? How soon can they be recovered with water? Can they be recovered with water (pouring water on a very hot body is bad idea)? If there is a meltdown how bad will it be? If further vents are required will the winds be favourable?
They way things are looking it may be, at worst, another three mile island.
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They way things are looking it may be, at worst, another three mile island.
Well that is comforting!! I am sure that will calm the locals no end.
So assuming that the fuel rods are contained, and that there are further ejections of radioactive materials [and that is a big assumption at this time] then it is just another nuclear disaster.
I wonder if you ask a resident of the area that question, what would their perspective be? 10,000 lives lost, a significant piece of Japan will now be uninhabitable for the next 300 years, their homes, livelyhood, and way of life all gone. Doesn't sound like a disaster to me? ???
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Latest is they have a a bulldozed road and 12 high pressure military fire fighting units, plus civil ones, plus helos. The fuel rod pool they need to smother so that is good job for fire fighters. Meanwhile they are bringing power in from another plant to bring up the main cooling system again.
The emperor spoke last night .... so no shortage of volunteers
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Every day the media says 'its looking better/getting better/not as bad as was predicited' then the next day or next news report i hear, they say 'things have worsened/its very serious/the risk has gotten greater' etc and then it goes back to being 'the threat has eased/risk has lowered/they have it under control'' again. Talk about back an forth! Ultamately i think the 'nuclear disaster' is not going to be as bad as what they are saying/were saying. I remember the otherday they said it could wipe out all of Japan and a large chunk of asia. I am so over the media hyping these things and other natural disasters up, and over exagerating them etc.
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I wonder if you ask a resident of the area that question, what would their perspective be? 10,000 lives lost, a significant piece of Japan will now be uninhabitable for the next 300 years, their homes, livelyhood, and way of life all gone. Doesn't sound like a disaster to me? ???
Where are you getting this information? 10,000 lives lost? 300 years? No at worst it's a sarcphogus over the affected reactors. Move in when the construction crews leave.
People have been living next door to three mile island since before and after the accident.
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Last night the Tepco power company workers announced that 150 of them had volunteered to give up their lives at the work site to repair the damage. It was very moving.
I'm guessing none of the 150 are executives though, they'll be looking for bonuses for how well they handled things
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I'm guessing none of the 150 are executives though, they'll be looking for bonuses for how well they handled things
Nah, that would happen in the west Tony. In Japan they would do the honourable thing: seppuku ::)
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There is so much different information being told by the media. Today i have heard 'confirmation 10,000 dead' and i have also heard that a lot smaller amount that that has been 'confirmed dead' but many thousands are 'missing'. Lets see what tonights news says ::)
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I wonder if you ask a resident of the area that question, what would their perspective be? 10,000 lives lost, a significant piece of Japan will now be uninhabitable for the next 300 years, their homes, livelyhood, and way of life all gone. Doesn't sound like a disaster to me? ???
Where are you getting this information? 10,000 lives lost? 300 years? No at worst it's a sarcphogus over the affected reactors. Move in when the construction crews leave.
People have been living next door to three mile island since before and after the accident.
Where do you get your optimism pills from Tim? I would like to send a few to America and the American Atomic Authority - they seem to have a glum view of proceeding and the Japanese forthrightness ::) :P.
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P.S. there's a story about some visitor oohing and ahhíng about the Cherenkov radiation at the bottom of the spent fuel pool, "how dangerous is it?"he asked his host. At which point his host stripped off and swam across the pool. Point is that water absorbs neutrons and the is subject to the inverse square law.
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I know a builder that cuts asbestos with a power saw and no mask and rekons it wont hurt you.
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Where do you get your optimism pills from Tim? I would like to send a few to America and the American Atomic Authority - they seem to have a glum view of proceeding and the Japanese forthrightness ::) :P.
You still haven't answered my question. Thus far the death toll of the earthquake/tsunami is over 10,000. That's not the death toll as a result of the goings-on at the nuke. 300 years? Where did you find that.
There have been, as I mentioned earlier, some serious breaches of protocol by this mob. Probably, as Marc implied, as a result of the culture, saving face and all that. But you need to understand these reactors CANNOT explode. Period. The level of enrichment is too low to permit that. As an aside the soviet RBMK-1000 reactors were designed primarily for the production of plutonium. Electricity generation was secondary.
That they cannot explode means that the distribution of the truly toxic by-products of fission is restricted to the reactor vessel. I also mentioned the products that were released were short lived and blown out to sea.
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Yes thats right, the japanese have a culture to tend to keep things to themselfs/amongst themselves and play down the seriousness make it seem like they have everything under control.. Heard there is now '13000 confirmed deaths' now. Notice how they are saying 20km radius but USA, AUS and other authorites are ordering there men to be 80km's or more away.
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Heard there is now '13000 confirmed deaths' now.
As a result of the exposed fuel rods/low water level/radioactive steam release or as a result of the earthquake/tsunami?
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The diesel generators were gone in the tsunami, what do you do then?
Well you said that you use the sea water to cool the plant after all else fails. What were you refering to when you said "all else fails" ? What else is there after the backup diesel pumps failed?
Also ifthey failed in the tsunami then that was pretty early after the quake , since that time surely they are now no longer under water and could be drained and restarted.
But they havent been because they failed mechanically , cranks blew either because of age and only periodical test runs or poor design.
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I know a builder that cuts asbestos with a power saw and no mask and rekons it wont hurt you.
What asbestos? Unless its been used on an old building and you come crossit during renovations or demolition it does'nt exist. Its law that any sites that may have asbestos be inspected by a registered inspector and removed buy registered removalists.
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P.S. there's a story about some visitor oohing and ahhíng about the Cherenkov radiation at the bottom of the spent fuel pool, "how dangerous is it?"he asked his host. At which point his host stripped off and swam across the pool. Point is that water absorbs neutrons and the is subject to the inverse square law.
I know a builder that cuts asbestos with a power saw and no mask and rekons it wont hurt you.
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you will find there are tradesmen that have that attitude about asbestos, if it takes 20 plus years to affect you and if you are already 60 years old then the piss you drink every arvo will do more damage than asbestos ever will. Bloody idiots :o
I have cut 4 inch and 6 inch fibro water pipe, many, many years ago with an angle grinder to repair broken water pipes using nothing more than a mask as the alternative was to allow a whole community not to have a water supply.
The work being done by the workers at the Nuclear plant in Japan to contain the nuclear reaction within levels that will make Japan safe for all people is necessary in that, they are risking their lives for the benefit of all the people of Japan. .. and good on them, they are heroic people.
Chernobyl was a very different event, people were standing on the roof of the highest building in the town just to watch the big glow within the first 24hrs.
I commend the Japanese for working so hard to prevent a disaster, and I wish them every success in containing the radiation that may emminate from these plants. They truly are doing a commendable job amongst the devastation that has befallen their country.
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They way things are looking it may be, at worst, another three mile island.
Tim, why is the nuclear world not moving to liquid-fluoride thorium reactors? My limited reading of this seems to show it wins on every level of our concerns on safety, waste products and viability. NONE of the nuclear accidents could have occured with this system. Curious to learn more!
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Tim, why is the nuclear world not moving to liquid-fluoride thorium reactors? My limited reading of this seems to show it wins on every level of our concerns on safety, waste products and viability. NONE of the nuclear accidents could have occured with this system. Curious to learn more!
Thorium is, AFAIK, a secondary product (i.e. it must be produced as a result of a U235 reaction). I know some research is going into this presently.
The other option is fast breeder reactors which will extend the life of our U235 reserves significantly. This is a proven technology and could easily be turned into a commercial option. France have been running a fast breeder reactor (Phenix) for the past 40 yrs and it is presently being decommissioned. Interestingly I have a friend who lives in the 'Gong who is a fast breeder reactor expert.
We have, at current rates of consumption, about 100 yrs of U235 left. However that excluded reprocessing. Recently the Chinese fessed up to having perfected a process whereby 70% of the unused U235 could be recoved from spent fuel (the fission process only uses about 10% of the available U235, leaving the other 90% untouched)
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And I though electro plating chemicals were too dangerous for my confined space garage ::) :P ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwRt74nzRmY&feature=related
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Luke, I've just done a quick look up on Thorium reactors. As I suspected Thorium is stable but its (artificial) isotopes hold great promise. A thorium reactor can, theoretically, produce as much fuel as it consumes and its fission products are more stable and far less toxic than those of Uranium. Research on Thorium reactors is being conducted in India, Israel and the US (Brookhaven).
As an aside see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor). Ever wonder why the earths core is still liquid after 4.5 billion years? It's because we're sitting on top of a very large fission reactor (whick kinda blows the whole geothermal argument out of the water)
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I had heard something about Thorium being more user friendly too.
Apparently it can be shut down much easier, which is something that I don’t understand about the current reactors, although there’s lots I don’t understand there.
Like how big are these backup generators and why couldn’t the Army / Air Force fly some in.
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I know a builder that cuts asbestos with a power saw and no mask and rekons it wont hurt you.
What asbestos? Unless its been used on an old building and you come crossit during renovations or demolition it does'nt exist. Its law that any sites that may have asbestos be inspected by a registered inspector and removed buy registered removalists.
I'm in an old building with 100 square meters of asbestos ceiling. The landlord was putting a ventilator shaft through for the shop downstairs. The builder walked in climbed a ladder and cut a 1X2 meter hole using a power saw, no dust extractor and not even a mask. When I pulled him up he said it wont hurt you.. I played with the stuff as a kid on the job sites with my dad. I even chewed on the shit. Touch wood.
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As a 7 or 8y/o I helped my Dad fence the back yard of our house at Banyo. We used super66 fibro roof sheeting and when the fence was up we went along the entire length of it (about 70 metres or so) with a circular saw to level it off so the capping would sit flat. Covered from head to toe with white powder you'd think we'd just had a 40kg bag of flour dumped over us. So far so good..I'd reckon we probably ran more of a risk working on the old motors, back in the day the fuels, sumps and used oils were chokers full of lead and carcinogens but we simply thought of it as harmless meddling..big oops ::)
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I know a builder that cuts asbestos with a power saw and no mask and rekons it wont hurt you.
Anyone ever changed their own brake shoes either in their bike or car?
Guess what :o
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As a 7 or 8y/o I helped my Dad fence the back yard of our house at Banyo. We used super66 fibro roof sheeting and when the fence was up we went along the entire length of it (about 70 metres or so) with a circular saw to level it off so the capping would sit flat. Covered from head to toe with white powder you'd think we'd just had a 40kg bag of flour dumped over us. So far so good..I'd reckon we probably ran more of a risk working on the old motors, back in the day the fuels, sumps and used oils were chokers full of lead and carcinogens but we simply thought of it as harmless meddling..big oops ::)
Petrol is a carcinogenic - SOOOO, if you have ever washed parts in petrol and got it on the skin, or worst still, got a gob full siphoning petrol....... ::) :P
I've done it all and still don't suffer any dreaded effects but I still wouldn't do it now, nor allow anyone to do it. Old and wiser ::) :).
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That they cannot explode means that the distribution of the truly toxic by-products of fission is restricted to the reactor vessel. I also mentioned the products that were released were short lived and blown out to sea.
And thanks Tim for not buying into the BS that in a nutshell is it. Actually this morning I noticed one of big storage areas in Tokyo had about 50 fire trucks missing, no guessing where they went/ The cooling operation just went up a gear, the dousing last night and this morning bought the radiation level down from 309 msev to 230 msev, now the next dousing is taking place.
1 & 2 reactors have power back to their primary cooling systems with 3 tomorrow morning.
You know we have to finally choose where we stand, I have spent a long time here and have a relationship to my staff that has kept me where I am. I am not about to bail on anyone and shame on those who did..
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And thanks Tim for not buying into the BS that in a nutshell is it.
Thanks Marc.
the dousing last night and this morning bought the radiation level down from 309 msev to 230 msev, now the next dousing is taking place.
Do you know where these readings were taken? There's so much shit spoken about the dose rates but nobody has said where these readings were taken. Dose rates are another example of the inverse square law: double the distance between you and the source and you'll quarter the dose rate. If these readings were taken next to the reactor I say: "what problem?".
One of the UK tabloids had a picture of a Geiger counter (GM counters as we call them) in down town Tokyo showing a reading of (shock! Horror!) 2 microSv/h. That's background. As I have mentioned there are places on the planet where background readings are in the region of 30 microSv/h.
I have worked with stuff that was in the 300mSv/h range. But not for very long I can promise you.
You know we have to finally choose where we stand, I have spent a long time here and have a relationship to my staff that has kept me where I am. I am not about to bail on anyone and shame on those who did..
I like the Japs. I can't claim to understand them but I admire them. Good on you for sticking with them.
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Petrol is a carcinogenic - SOOOO, if you have ever washed parts in petrol and got it on the skin, or worst still, got a gob full siphoning petrol.......
I've done it all and still don't suffer any dreaded effects but I still wouldn't do it now, nor allow anyone to do it. Old and wiser .
I used to wash parts in pertol all the time, not much any more, only if im out of proper degreasers and if i do get any petrol on my hands i usually just wash it off.
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Just out of interest the incidence of cancer amongst radiation workers is lower than it is amongst the general population.
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How do you think they worked out how to arrest cancers in the first place?
My dad was in Japan as occupation force in 1946/47 and visited both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, had photos of both in fact, and just passed at 82.
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How do you think they worked out how to arrest cancers in the first place?
My dad was in Japan as occupation force in 1946/47 and visited both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, had photos of both in fact, and just passed at 82.
My professional specialisation is the instrumentation and control (including dosimetry) of high energy particle (hadron) therapy beams.
Sorry about your dad. He must have had some interesting stories to tell.
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Do you know where these readings were taken? There's so much shit spoken about the dose rates but nobody has said where these readings were taken. Dose rates are another example of the inverse square law: double the distance between you and the source and you'll quarter the dose rate. If these readings were taken next to the reactor I say: "what problem?".
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readings were taken at the front gate of the plant so 1000m from the reactors
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readings were taken at the front gate of the plant so 1000m from the reactors
Eeek!
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Romantics, werewolves and other moon-gazers are in for a treat this weekend as they witness the biggest full moon seen in nearly 20 years.
But experts are discounting predictions of earthquakes associated with the event.
The moon's orbit is elliptical, and as it follows its path one side of the ellipse, known as perigee, passes about 50,000 kilometres closer than the on the other side - apogee.
A perigee full moon appears around 14 per cent bigger and 30 per cent brighter than an apogee full moon.
Geoffrey Wyatt from the Sydney Observatory says the upcoming full moon - which NASA's website says will be of "rare size and beauty" - will rise about 08.00 pm (AEDT) on Saturday.
But it becomes full on Sunday morning at 05.10 am (AEDT), one hour before lunar perigee.
"So, Sunday morning, those people who are up early or getting home super late, look to the west and you'll see the biggest moon for 18 years," Mr Wyatt said.
The last time the full moon was so big and close to Earth was in March 1993.
"You've got two cycles here. You've got 29-and-a-half days between full moons and then you've got 27 and a half days from apogee to apogee," Mr Wyatt said.
"That difference builds up and although you get a perigee every month, to get it at minimum distance takes about 18 years."
Perigee full moons also usually bring extra-high tides, but Daniel Jaksa, co-director of the joint Australian Tsunami Warning Centre, says they will probably be a fraction of one per cent higher than normal.
Earthquake predictions
Meanwhile an Auckland-based mathematician known as the "Moonman", Ken Ring, has warned the perigee moon will cause another major earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Mr Ring claims he predicted Christchurch's deadly February 22 quake by studying the moon.
But Mr Wyatt says he would like to see some scientific proof to back the Mr Ring's claims.
"For a few weeks now we've been hearing people talk about 'Moonageddon'," he said.
"It's depressing to hear people saying this sort of thing. There is absolutely no evidence for a causal link between the phases of the moon and earthquake activity.
"It's something you might find in 'Tom's Backyard Mechanic's Book of Celestial Tomfoolery', but you're not going to find that in peer-reviewed journals."
Mr Jaksa agrees.
"You only have to look at the major energy source that's driving the tectonic process and it's not the moon," he said.
"It's the convection currents in the mantle as the Earth tries to cool down from its core outwards that drives plate tectonics."
Mr Wyatt says the claims are a symptom of the human condition.
"People blame things on the alignment of the planets because they want an explanation, but it's not the moon's fault," he said. :o And what does the moon have to say about all this then ;D ::)
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Official death toll acordig to ninemsn 7197
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/japanquake/8226058/man-rescued-eight-days-after-japan-quake
I hope they get the nuclear plant under control soon. Im not sure what to believe. Some are saying its no where near as bad as what we are bing told and on the other hand some are saying it could get real serious soon. I read this morning that people in USA are getting paranoid and stocking up on Iodine tablets.
There is some prodiuction loss at some of the car factories but i havent heard if any of the bike factories were damaged or have had to stop production. Anyone waiting on back ordered parts from Japan may notice delays.
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I read this morning that people in USA are getting paranoid and stocking up on Iodine tablets.
Anyone waiting on back ordered parts from Japan may notice delays.
People have ended up in ER ,overdosing on the Iodine. ::)
Re:parts= all things from Japan will come to a slow.More going into the country than coming out.Suppose coal and steel will be at a good price :-\ not much comfit. :(
cheers A
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Mr Wyatt says the claims are a symptom of the human condition.
"People blame things on the alignment of the planets because they want an explanation, but it's not the moon's fault," he said. :o And what does the moon have to say about all this then ;D ::)
The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?
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:o And what does the moon have to say about all this then ;D ::)
The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?
Bit of sarcasim on my behalf-sorry..I'm all for the moon and her movements- half my pantry cupboard is full of presevatives from our vegie garden and orchard thanks to the Moon. Its all a balance 8)
cheers A
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The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?
Ah but remember that the earths crust is a thin layer floating on a liquid.
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The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?
Ah but remember that the earths crust is a thin layer floating on a liquid.
Exactly.
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The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?
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Bit of sarcasim on my behalf-sorry..I'm all for the moon and her movements- half my pantry cupboard is full of presevatives from our vegie garden and orchard thanks to the Moon. Its all a balance 8)
cheers A
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Alls cool Alison. I was questioning all these commentators who says its all B.S even though certain astro and geophysicists warned of the possiblity of what happened in Japan , very accurately.
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Romantics, werewolves and other moon-gazers are in for a treat this weekend as they witness the biggest full moon seen in nearly 20 years.
Bloody werewolves.
Place will be crawling with them again.
So hard to kill to. :)
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The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?
Ah but remember that the earths crust is a thin layer floating on a liquid.
Exactly.
The moon theory seems feasible to me too.
That’s not to say that the moon causes this shit but if the moons pull causes our tides and this faze of the moon being closer is supposed to be creating higher tides, even if only 1 % higher then it could also have an effect on the earths crust.
While it won’t cause an earthquake in itself, but in an area where these inner plates have built up overdue stress it could be the final straw for the big Heave -Ho.
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Romantics, werewolves and other moon-gazers are in for a treat this weekend as they witness the biggest full moon seen in nearly 20 years.
Ummmm... correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that mean there was a full moon this size or bigger about 20 years ago. From memory the world didn't end that time either ::) ::)
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Romantics, werewolves and other moon-gazers are in for a treat this weekend as they witness the biggest full moon seen in nearly 20 years.
Ummmm... correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that mean there was a full moon this size or bigger about 20 years ago. From memory the world didn't end that time either ::) ::)
oh heck yes... it was someone else's theory on the earths moves..we've talked about everything else,but the moon ;D
You coming down south for a vmx hit next weekend ??
cheers A
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12770263
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12763625
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12729784
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12743417
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Rehashing this thread, see below. What gets me is the maximum dose for a US radiation worker (50 microSv). In Aus it's 18 microSv. For a better look see: http://xkcd.com/radiation/ (http://xkcd.com/radiation/)
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png)
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Yes well the Japanese have a little more than daily dose to deal with. They have raised their exposure limit accordingly , but seem to be working in +/- 300 MicroSv range, when it gets above that they are out of there.
As I mentioned earlier however, never under estimate the Japanese capacity for self sacrifice, they know they are getting damaging amounts of radiation but the courageous little bastards are still going in.... with their union leaders out front I might add.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/22_03.html
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300 uSv/h is a helluva dose rate Marc. 24 hours and you have a (certain) lethal dose, 15 hours and you're going to be very ill indeed (skin sloughing, hair falling out, vomitting etc). I assume they're running a rota. Self sacrifice although noble is actually a pointless excercise as your hosts discovered during the war. I would think that 1-2 hours on then off for a few weeks. I'm not sure of the fractionation details but the health phycisists, med phycisists and rad-ocologists would have it dialled.
I think I mentioned I have worked on devices that were in that range but for 5 minutes and then no exposure for a month. If you're interested the device was a berylium target. We started with two but because of sanctions reverse-engineered another two to reduce our exposure.
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One thing is certain - we never gave them credit for their unbelievable bravery in WWII. We called it anything and everything else. But it was awesome.
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Those of us whose uncles spent three years in their tender care in Changi some 60 years ago might see things differently. "Awesome"? Jeez... to be charitable, perhaps you are too young to have such a close connection. Or are we meant to hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
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Unbelievable bravery Luke?....or just another form of terrorisim......best do a Vwalter on that one sonny....make it go poof.
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Those of us whose uncles spent three years in their tender care in Changi some 60 years ago might see things differently. "Awesome"? Jeez... to be charitable, perhaps you are too young to have such a close connection. Or are we meant to hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
So would the 150,000 civillians(mainly children, women and elderly) that were vaporised in Nagasaki and Hiroshima?
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I can see this thread going the way alot of others do.
Noting that the news has swung across to Libya for a few days now I am wondering why the Australians so generously sent a huge water cannon to Japan to help with the cooling ,isnt a bit late for that ? Last I heard two reactors had power restored , I had thought that the other two would have also by now. If not then at least there is only two reactors to pump water onto instaed of four , so haven't they got enough water cannons? Don't get it .
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Google 'Unit 731' for an interesting eye opener. There are some films on it too ;) Not for the squimish though
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Let ye who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Just look around! Don't ever believe for a nano second that the western world is anywhere near being close to righteous or perfect. No-one should/can judge others on the basis of their religion or beliefs. Both sides firmly believe they are right and are willing to die for it. 3 sides to all stories, your's, their's and a truth which lay somewhere in between. This is a global issue and not the time for pointing fingers or digging up past atrocities. I commend the Japanese for their bravery and the sacrifices displayed in the face of such a monumental environmental catasrophe.
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WW2 ended 65 years ago. Sure the Japanese committed atrocities, but throughout history awful things have been done in the name of war by all nations so I think it's time we moved on.This isn't the place for rehashing the grievances of the previous generation. The Japanese people are our friends and right now they're hurting. They deserve our compassion, not the blame for another generations evil.
Let's not turn this compassionate thread into another slagfest destined to end up in the dungeon.
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Let ye who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Just look around! Don't ever believe for a nano second that the western world is anywhere near being close to righteous or perfect. No-one should/can judge others on the basis of their religion or beliefs. Both sides firmly believe they are right and are willing to die for it. 3 sides to all stories, your's, their's and a truth which lay somewhere in between. This is a global issue and not the time for pointing fingers or digging up past atrocities. I commend the Japanese for their bravery and the sacrifices displayed in the face of such a monumental environmental catasrophe.
+1 Well said.
For Japan WW2 was about incredible individual bravery and devotion to family and country - unparalleled and unequaled. And about incredibly stupid leadership of the nation blinded by ego and greed - unparalleled and unequaled.
Some thing just don't change.
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How about we stick with the present. To quote an editorial I read " the Japanese people have third rate leadership but as individuals have behaved magnificently ".
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How about we stick with the present.
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the Japanese people have third rate leadership but as individuals have behaved magnificently.
It is simply amazing the way people rise to the challenge in a crisis. It has been an inspiring common denominator in all the tragedies that nations have faced in the last few months. Watching individuals give selflessly, often to strangers, while demonstrating great compassion and bravery shows what we are really capable of.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could act like that all the time. If we could find leaders who could inspire those human traits instead of playing petty, devisive and selfish politics the world would really be a better place.
Yeah I know, but even an old bloke dream can't I?
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could act like that all the time. If we could find leaders who could inspire those human traits instead of playing petty, devisive and selfish politics the world would really be a better place.
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I am not wanting to debate this but in my own opinion John Key came pretty close to it in the way they have handled Christchurch, pity he surrounded by a bunch of chumps. Unlike the Japanese PM and Parliament who is no place to be found and contributing nothing.
On a lighter note my staff have their phones tuned in to the earthquake warning system, we get about 10 minutes warning of the after shocks when their alarms go off on their phones. Actually it is giving me the creeps, I prefer the mystery.
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On a lighter note my staff have their phones tuned in to the earthquake warning system, we get about 10 minutes warning of the after shocks when their alarms go off on their phones. Actually it is giving me the creeps, I prefer the mystery.
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That must be like making you wonder if you have to bend right over to kiss your arse goodbye or just halfway everytime an alram goes off.
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warning system alarms go off on their phones.
ahh,so thats how you get all the good vmxer's ;D
cheers A
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…in my own opinion John Key came pretty close to it in the way they have handled Christchurch, pity he surrounded by a bunch of chumps
And Anna Bligh came to the fore in the QLD floods, but as sure as the sun follows the moon, they will turn back in to politicians in the very near future.
I just reckon it is a real pity. They seem to be racing to the bottom of the barrel, wouldn't it be good to see one take the moral high ground. Boy would they stand out from the grubby masses.
But there has only ever been on Mandela - more is the pity.
P.S. and don't worry, just because the journos have moved on, the Japanese are still in our thoughts an prayers!!!
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But there has only ever been on Mandela - more is the pity.
Hear, hear!! What a giant of a man.
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But there has only ever been on Mandela - more is the pity.
Hear, hear!! What a giant of a man.
A great statesman but a poor politician. He is in a similar mould to JC Smuts.
His (Mandelas) redeeming characteristic is that he despised the system not the people. As a politician he was completely outmonoevered by his deputy (Thabo Mbeki) he banned Mandela from cabinet meetings.
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I first thought to post this in the "Funnies" section, but realised that it was not the most appropriate place, even though I realise too that the jokes will start before the dust dies down, (or the tidal wave retreats to the sea - thanks Graeme!) and I laugh along with you all. But this is not a joke, and smiling all the time can make your cheeks hurt, so I thought you all might be interested in this email from me, shared with our friends, copying in another from one of our Japanese friends.
Many years ago, we acted as 'Host Family' to a succession of Japanese students who were coming to Keele University - only about 3 miles from here - for an intensive course in English.
It was fascinating to see just how much their conversational skills improved over the two-week period the students were with us and just how emotional they became when it was time to say goodbye!
We have stayed in touch with some of these students and after the terrible news from Japan, Jenny e-mailed a couple for whom we had addresses. Her mail is copied in below.
Although I think Yo would be embarrassed at his email being circulated, I think you'll share my fascination in reading it, not for heroics, not for being in the middle of it all, but for the way that life has been affected in Tokyo.
2011/3/17, Jenny Ryalls:
> Hi Yo and Yoshimi
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> We have seen and heard so much over the past few days about the horrific
> events in Japan. The TV coverage has been wide and when you see the
> footage you wonder how the country and it's people can recover and
> rebuild. It all looks so dreadful, it's difficult to find words to
> describe it.
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> We have been thinking of you both and hoping that you and your family
> and friends are ok. Tokyo appears to be unaffected but I'm sure you as
> people have been affected by what has been happening in your country.
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> I wanted to let you know that you are in our thoughts
>
> Love
>
> Jenny
>
Hi Jenny,
Thank you for your care. I am okay. My families and friends are also
okay. However, it was a hard long week since earthquake hit east
Japan.
When earthquake hit east Japan last Friday, I was working at 37
floor's my office. Office kept on trembling 2-3 minutes like a small
boat in the storm. People never been panic, but the shake made some
people feel so sick. During the shake, I somehow walked to near the
window and saw trembling buildings as well. The view was really
unbelievable. At this moment, I remembered that I dreamt of terrible
earthquake and talked it to my wife Megumi a few months ago. In my
dream, many buildings around my office building fell down. And I
quickly called to Megumi's mobile, but she was already dying in debris
of her office building. Usually, I forget what I dream, but I remember
it because of a terrible nightmare. I really wished it does not come
true with watching outside from my office window.
After earthquake gone, I quickly tried to call Megumi's mobile, my son
Kazuma's nursery school and my parents home telephone. However all
lines already did not work at all. I can not remember how many times I
called, but I caught Megumi probably 30 minutes later at last. She
was okay. In addition, I could confirm Kazumi and my parents are safe
before I left office. Internet news told that all facilities of travel
were already stopped. Megumi's office is 10 minutes far from my office
so that we decided to meet and go home by walk together before sunset.
My office's elevators are also stopped. I went down fire escape from
37 floor to ground floor. Entrance of the building was full of people
who started to get home as well. Usually, commute to my office is 30
minutes by train and walk. However, we took about 5 hours to get home
by walk only. Because roads were full of people and cars all the way.
After I got home, I watched shocking TV news about Tsunami disaster at
north east Japan (Tohoku-area). I realized by news first time that the
earthquake was worst ever. I wanted to watch TV news but I got sleep
because I really gave out by walking 5 hours cold windy night.
In Saturday morning, I felt pains of my body and foots because of 5
hours walk Friday's night. But that was nothing really. Because more
bad news about nuclear power plant was announced. The situation of
nuclear power plant's trouble was getting worse weekend. At the same
time, power company announced the possibility of scheduled power
outage at whole east Japan including Tokyo metropolitan area from
Monday to end of April. Because the trouble of nuclear power plant
made power shortage at east Japan. At this stage, blackout was bigger
issue than possibility of radioactivity leak for me. My company's
facility was in the scope of blackout area. So I need to go and
support for blackout at the facility where takes 2 hours (single way!)
for commute from my home by train and taxi from Monday. All Japanese
never understood what was happening at nuclear power plant and how it
was serious yet.
In Monday morning, another confusion was happening on commuters.
Service of subway and train were not working fully by the influence of
power outage announcement so that subway station was flooded by
commuters. I could not enter even subway station grounds until 9:00
AM. You might think it is silly and crazy. But almost Japanese tried
to go to work on Monday as usual. Yes, I am one of them who tried as
no choice!
Until Friday, I was busy to respond planed blackout for my company.
Power company said it was planed, but it was not organized and
summarized. Where and when were unclear at all. So everybody confused
it. There was one night blackout by power line cut by storm when I was
child. But this time is completely different. There is no recovery
plan and until end of April. Only people can do is to save using
electricity. Nobody experienced and imaged how it was. Almost neon
signs in busy areas are off for saving power. Many shops and
restraints close by 7-9 PM. At the same time, all distribution started
stopping by the influence of earthquake. Rice, bread, milk, toilet
paper, tissue are almost out of stock at every supermarket. Petrol
started to run short these days. It makes more delay of all
distribution as vicious circle.
In fact, Thursday was my birthday, but I forgot about the date at all.
North east Japan area is like battle field by Tsunami disaster, but
Tokyo and other east Japan areas are like during a war. I know foreign
media like BBC, CNN, New York times tell more gloomy about nuclear
power plant's troubles. But Japanese government announced that nuclear
power plant got out of out of control this weekend somehow. Situation
is different from Chernobyl's nuclear trouble. The Japanese
self-defense force is currently working for preventing radioactivity
leak as much as possible.
That is the story of a week since earthquake. People are trying to
work for economic activities with many limitations. I also do go to
work and live my life as mush as possible. Because that is what I can
do for Japan. All Japanese must believe that Japan will overcome this
crisis. Life goes on whatever happens!
Take care,
Yo
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That's a nice story Pom. It really brings home some of the effects of this disaster and how the average Japanese punter is handling it. Could you imagine any of us walking for five hours to get home? It's inconceivable.
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Could you imagine any of us walking for five hours to get home? It's inconceivable.
Even though we'd do that at a swapmeet without blinking.
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Could you imagine any of us walking for five hours to get home? It's inconceivable.
That is quite similar to my story, we had the earthquake, I took my staff out for a few drinks then walked roughly 18 kms home to my house. A lot of stores were open especially the ones selling sports shoes and bicycles and doing good business.
The bit that amazed me is some of people walked back to the office on Monday to start work again.
We are a little short on toilet paper, but we have Japanese water spray washing toilet seats so you can give your old date a quick swoosh and blow dry so TP is not essential.
When there is an earthquake they shut down all the phone systems so you can't contact anyone. But internet still works so Facebook / Skype, email was the way to go.
A lot is missing off the shelves at the moment, forget bottled water, rice and stuff that has been gone for days but you can still get bread, eggs, milk etc. I have my camp stove and lamp for the blackouts and things are cool. Business as usual.
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well some forward movement today, they have limited instruments up on 1/2/3/5 /6 reactors including teemperature probes and pressure guages, with only decomissioned #4 obviously missing. Meanwhile 4 is maintaining under 90 degrees in the fuel pool. Cooling system on 1/2/5/6 is working, 3 is being tested in this afternoon.
1/2/3/ are sitting at just under 400 degrees C, bad part is they still have a way to cool and depressurise, happy story is they are well within containment temperatures. Spot of the old radiation about and i would avoid the coleslaw at Fukushima KFC, of course they have irradiated the ocean surrounding the plant, so avoid the Sushi as well I would say.
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Excellent news Marc.
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I go to work and implement standards,policies and procedures in a over safe environment ::) ::)
cheers A
A Japanese nuclear official who spent five days inside the Fukushima nuclear plant has described the tough working and living conditions inside the crippled nuclear facility.
Kazuma Yokota is being hailed as a modern samurai - one of the so-called Fukushima 50 who stayed at the crippled plant as its reactors threatened to melt down in the wake of Japan's devastating earthquake and huge tsunami.
The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency official says workers were given one blanket each and two meagre meals a day as they struggled to avert a nuclear disaster.
"The working conditions were harsh," he said.
"The workers inside the plant were toiling very hard. We'd have emergency biscuits for breakfast and a small bag of rice for dinner. There was the odd can of food too.
"The workers were all sleeping together in the plant's meeting room, in the hallway and in front of the toilet."
The Fukushima 50 were tasked with connecting electric cables and repairing smashed machinery and pumps in a bid to restart the plant's cooling systems.
But even a short period near the reactors meant exposing themselves to dangerous levels of radiation.
"We had lead sheets brought in and put on the floors to block the radiation," Mr Yokota said.
"But we were still exposed. I was exposed to 883 microsieverts during the five days I was there."
That is about the same as nine chest X-rays, but is low compared to what happened to 19 other workers who have been exposed to more than 100 times that amount.
Reinforcements have since been sent to Fukushima and the number of workers there has now risen to 400.
But dangerously high radiation levels mean the crews can only work one-hour shifts at a time.
The plant's operator TEPCO has admitted it did not properly warn workers about the high levels of radiation in the water in reactor No. 3.
Three workers were exposed while laying electric cables in the reactor's turbine building last week and two of them were standing up to their ankles in radioactive water for two hours.
Their protective gear was simply not up to the task but they have now been released from hospital after having their burns treated.
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The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency official says workers were given one blanket each and two meagre meals a day as they struggled to avert a nuclear disaster.
Fooking unbelievable :o. Forty odd years ago the Australians at Long Tan managed to get blankets and ammo to D company in the middle of a fire fight during, in a monsoonal rain storm and in the dark by dropping them from the smallest two man helicopter ever conceived. And the Japanese leadership couldn't identify, prioritize and improvise to give timely and needed support? And they had how long to get they act together? Fooking unbelievable :o.
Again, the incredibly heroic individual Japanese making up for dismal national leadership, or indeed, leadership at every level from company directors to P.M.
Their protective gear was simply not up to the task but they have now been released from hospital after having their burns treated.
Fooking unbelievable :o. Ditto the above.
I hope these heroic Japanese individuals get their rewards in this life and the next.
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I hope these heroic Japanese individuals get their rewards in this life and the next.
This maybe a bit heavy for the early morning ;D ,but do you think its due to them not having the western beliefs of religous leaders like we do etc..
cheers A
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I hope these heroic Japanese individuals get their rewards in this life and the next.
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Good chance it will be the next, also what you would consider a reward like cash rewards or public recognition is not really comfortable for most Japanese. The TEPCO workers and their Labour Union Leadership showed their fighting spirit and willingness to accept sacrifice for the good of the group, they know and their co workers do, that pride is probably enough for them.
Regarding the Government agencies, everyone like in Aussie realises that they are a bunch of drunks and thieves, but its just how to get rid of them.
Anyone who goes anywhere near that power station is a hero to me big time.
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This maybe a bit heavy for the early morning ;D ,but do you think its due to them not having the western beliefs of religous leaders like we do etc..
cheers A
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Hi Alison, actually they do all go to the temple on New Years etc so they have religious beliefs .... but the real over riding motivation is their belief in Japan and its society, this society based thinking over rides the personnel considerations. The Union leaders said it was "their duty to protect Japan".
We used to have that committment to our country .... but these days who in their right mind would die to protect NZ, throw my life away to protect Chris Carr, Patsy Wong and Darren King, bugger that, actually their has been a little too much buggery if you ask me.
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They might have figured the one blanket and two meals a day was enough for 'Dead Men Walking'
I don't mean to sound hollow but that's the way it would seem from the outside, I mean you wouldn't get us in there to do repairs unless maybe to save our kids future.
Question from left field is what is the story on Thirium? At a dinner the other night I was told it does everything we need it to do but leaves no shit to make wepons out of when it's done-and that's why they wont use it. True or False?
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We used to have that committment to our country ..
same same..more mx tracks speedway tracks,historical buildings(except the forsards) and aged care facilities all getting moved out,knocked down to make way for housing estates ::)
And also some little kid get sick from the peanuts on the Scouts cake stall now days. :-\
save our kids future.
Excatly the kids know which side their bread is buttered, more fool mum and dad. :( toughin up princess ;D
cheers A
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They might have figured the one blanket and two meals a day was enough for 'Dead Men Walking'
I don't mean to sound hollow but that's the way it would seem from the outside, I mean you wouldn't get us in there to do repairs unless maybe to save our kids future.
Question from left field is what is the story on Thirium? At a dinner the other night I was told it does everything we need it to do but leaves no shit to make wepons out of when it's done-and that's why they wont use it. True or False?
I think you'll find the answer is Yes. Look through this or do a Google search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
I'm not up on my nuclear physics ::) but there appears to be better nuclear answers to our energy needs than what is currently used. What the truth is and the advantages and disadvantages are I'm not sure.
The bad news is the rest of the world does not have a lot of uranium but Australia does but other countries have lots of thorium and won't need to buy from us. IIRC India in particular is looking closely at thorium and one reason is they have lots of it.
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They might have figured the one blanket and two meals a day was enough for 'Dead Men Walking'
I don't mean to sound hollow but that's the way it would seem from the outside, I mean you wouldn't get us in there to do repairs unless maybe to save our kids future.
Question from left field is what is the story on Thirium? At a dinner the other night I was told it does everything we need it to do but leaves no shit to make wepons out of when it's done-and that's why they wont use it. True or False?
More-or-less that's true. See my previous posting in this thread for details.
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This is probably an even better idea that thorium.........
http://www.gizmag.com/worlds-first-practical-artificial-leaf/18247/
I would rather see $2bn go into this type of research rather than a feeding frenzy of roof insulation or dodgy inefficient solar panels.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12930949
I can't believe that I read an editorial in the Telegraph praising Fukushima as a success for nuclear power stations. I heard yesterday that it might be 100 years before they will be able to fully contain the leakage from the stored used fuel rods.
If this is a nuclear success story I would hate to see a disaster ::).
"The evacuation of residents near Japan's quake-hit Fukushima nuclear plant will be long-term, officials say.
Many of the tens of thousands of people evacuated from the area around the plant are living in temporary shelters.
The announcement came as high levels of radiation were detected for the first time in groundwater near one of the facility's six reactors. "
"More than 70,000 people living within the exclusion zone have been moved to temporary shelters.
Another 136,000 people who live within 20-30km of the plant have been encouraged by the authorities to leave or to stay indoors. "
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If this is a nuclear success story I would hate to see a disaster ::).
A have just finished readin the Chernobyl story on wilkiepedia..
The fire fighters had the same no fear as the Japanese people of saving there community/fellow countryman..What made me smile was the cover to go over the Chernobyl Disaster area and its still not completed, ::) its got to make you think, are they really that concerned about the radiation threat. ??
People have moved back into the no go zone at Chenobyl and go about there every day lives.Floara and Fauna has also returned.Not that we want to have these kinds of disasters happening in evry country every year though.
quote;The New Safe Confinement (NSC or New Shelter) is the structure intended to contain the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl, Ukraine, part of which was destroyed by the Chernobyl disaster in 1986. The idea is to prevent the reactor wreck from leaking radioactive material into the environment. Originally planned to be in place by 2005, as of 2010 the confinement is expected to be completed in 2013.[1]
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Want to buy a slightly used Nuclear plant? A good investment for your Super ::)
There will be a small compensation bill that comes along with the purchase......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13090304
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Want to buy a slightly used Nuclear plant? A good investment for your Super ::)
There will be a small compensation bill that comes along with the purchase......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13090304
the price is going down I hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Kxh1jsa0s&feature=feedu
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Us Aussie's are a good lot.. :P Great stories of support on the ABC TV.
Nice to see some good agricultral stories coming together with our fellow Japanese farmers..May their journey be easy 8)
cheers A
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Us Aussie's are a good lot.. :P Great stories of support on the ABC TV.
Nice to see some good agricultral stories coming together with our fellow Japanese farmers..May their journey be easy 8)
cheers A
got a link Allison?
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Us Aussie's are a good lot.. :P Great stories of support on the ABC TV.
Nice to see some good agricultral stories coming together with our fellow Japanese farmers..May their journey be easy 8)
cheers A
got a link Allison?
Found it for you..this is one of a few I've seen lately..Even if its a break for them to visit our country from the day in day out clean up zones ..I also heard they have sent 40,000 baby tuna over for a fish farms..not many but a start... 8)
cheers
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3218456.htm
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Hey guys,
yeah more than a little scary on the 18th floor. But take a moment for the people in front of the Tsunami, I got to watch people die live on TV, it has me a little rattled.
however just managed to get hold of my wife so that is my big worry sorted/
Hey Marc, didn't know you were there. Not great times eh. I went through the Sichuan 2008 8.0 Earthquake first on my 6th floor roof 40kms from the epicenter running down the stairwell with concrete and render chips raining down on my head shitting myself and through the biggest after shock a 6.2 in my 25th floor apartment in Chengdu a few days later. Volunteered at the number 2 hospital here for 2 days after and it's not something anyone should ever go through.
We watched the first few hours live of your situation and it was just very sad, unlike Western TV, Chinese TV doesn't hold anything back and it was very clear then how big the loss of life was going to be - sounds like the Japanese TV showed the same.
I'm sure you felt the same relief finding your wife as I did mine (1 hour later), glad to hear you're both ok but be careful of depression in these months.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13457182
"Japan's 11 March mega-quake shifted the ocean floor sideways by more than 20m (65ft), according one instrument placed on the seabed off the nation's coast."
20 bloody metres :o.
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Japan nuclear: UN says tsunami risk was underestimated :-[
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13611797
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Is that like retrospective 20/20 hindsight or what? :D
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http://www.wimp.com/japanesetsunami/
Watch how fast it happens :o What could you do?
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http://www.wimp.com/japanesetsunami/
Watch how fast it happens :o What could you do?
Wow! Watching the water rise I was thinking: stay in the car or get out? I dunno.
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http://www.wimp.com/japanesetsunami/
Watch how fast it happens :o What could you do?
Incredible is an overused and oft misused word, but that is incredible :o.
I don't know what I would have done, I'm just pleased I didn't have to face the choice.
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Old mate at 57sec had the right idea.
Run for ya life , tho why he went back and shut the door is a worry.
They had a 6.4 on sunday.
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The water goes up to just under the windows of the petrol tanker(was probably full not like the other semi's that floated away), it also looks to be sleet falling so the water would be very cold, the speed and amount of debris in the water probably means if you got into it that would be curtains for you. Plain scary to watch even.
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Want to buy a slightly used Nuclear plant? A good investment for your Super ::)
There will be a small compensation bill that comes along with the purchase......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13090304
Yes that is a very small compensation bill, about what I make in a month per family....grrrrr ... in any other country they would be storming parliament.
Now after 41 people have died of heat stroke, 16000 hospitalised and a few more from food poisoning through switching off the air con and turning their fridges up .... TEPCO and the other power plant companies are struggling due to 40% reduction in power / revenues.
So now we have the 'Use more power' campaign ::) good quake last night, enough to wake me up even