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« Reply #135 on: March 18, 2011, 05:08:35 pm »
As a 7 or 8y/o I helped my Dad fence the back yard of our house at Banyo. We used super66 fibro roof sheeting and when the fence was up we went along the entire length of it (about 70 metres or so) with a circular saw to level it off so the capping would sit flat. Covered from head to toe with white powder you'd think we'd just had a 40kg bag of flour dumped over us. So far so good..I'd reckon we probably ran more of a risk working on the old motors, back in the day the fuels, sumps and used oils were chokers full of lead and carcinogens but we simply thought of it as harmless meddling..big oops ::)
Petrol is a carcinogenic - SOOOO, if you have ever washed parts in petrol and got it on the skin, or worst still, got a gob full siphoning petrol....... ::) :P

I've done it all and still don't suffer any dreaded effects but I still wouldn't do it now, nor allow anyone to do it. Old and wiser ::) :).

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« Reply #136 on: March 18, 2011, 05:26:20 pm »

That they cannot explode means that the distribution of the truly toxic by-products of fission is restricted to the reactor vessel. I also mentioned the products that were released were short lived and blown out to sea.

And thanks Tim for not buying into the BS that in a nutshell is it. Actually this morning I noticed one of big storage areas in Tokyo had about 50 fire trucks missing, no guessing where they went/ The cooling operation just went up a gear, the dousing last night and this morning bought the radiation level down from 309 msev to 230 msev, now the next dousing is taking place.

1 & 2 reactors have power back to their primary cooling systems with 3 tomorrow morning.

You know we have to finally choose where we stand, I have spent a long time here and have a relationship to my staff that has kept me where I am. I am not about to bail on anyone and shame on those who did..
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« Reply #137 on: March 18, 2011, 05:51:44 pm »
And thanks Tim for not buying into the BS that in a nutshell is it.

Thanks Marc.

the dousing last night and this morning bought the radiation level down from 309 msev to 230 msev, now the next dousing is taking place.

Do you know where these readings were taken? There's so much shit spoken about the dose rates but nobody has said where these readings were taken. Dose rates are another example of the inverse square law: double the distance between you and the source and you'll quarter the dose rate. If these readings were taken next to the reactor I say: "what problem?".

One of the UK tabloids had a picture of a Geiger counter (GM counters as we call them) in down town Tokyo showing a reading of (shock! Horror!) 2 microSv/h. That's background. As I have mentioned there are places on the planet where background readings are in the region of 30 microSv/h.

I have worked with stuff that was in the 300mSv/h range. But not for very long I can promise you.

You know we have to finally choose where we stand, I have spent a long time here and have a relationship to my staff that has kept me where I am. I am not about to bail on anyone and shame on those who did..

I like the Japs. I can't claim to understand them but I admire them. Good on you for sticking with them.

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« Reply #138 on: March 18, 2011, 05:58:03 pm »
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Petrol is a carcinogenic - SOOOO, if you have ever washed parts in petrol and got it on the skin, or worst still, got a gob full siphoning petrol....... 

I've done it all and still don't suffer any dreaded effects but I still wouldn't do it now, nor allow anyone to do it. Old and wiser  .
 
 
 

I used to wash parts in pertol all the time, not much any more, only if im out of proper degreasers and if i do get any petrol on my hands i usually just wash it off.
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« Reply #139 on: March 18, 2011, 06:00:37 pm »
Just out of interest the incidence of cancer amongst radiation workers is lower than it is amongst the general population.

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« Reply #140 on: March 18, 2011, 06:28:32 pm »
How do you think they worked out how to arrest cancers in the first place?
My dad was in Japan as occupation force in 1946/47 and visited both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, had photos of both in fact, and just passed at 82.

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« Reply #141 on: March 18, 2011, 06:35:57 pm »
How do you think they worked out how to arrest cancers in the first place?
My dad was in Japan as occupation force in 1946/47 and visited both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, had photos of both in fact, and just passed at 82.

My professional specialisation is the instrumentation and control (including dosimetry) of high energy particle (hadron) therapy beams.

Sorry about your dad. He must have had some interesting stories to tell.
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« Reply #142 on: March 18, 2011, 08:34:20 pm »


Do you know where these readings were taken? There's so much shit spoken about the dose rates but nobody has said where these readings were taken. Dose rates are another example of the inverse square law: double the distance between you and the source and you'll quarter the dose rate. If these readings were taken next to the reactor I say: "what problem?".
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readings were taken at the front gate of the plant so 1000m from the reactors
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« Reply #143 on: March 18, 2011, 10:03:04 pm »
readings were taken at the front gate of the plant so 1000m from the reactors

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« Reply #144 on: March 19, 2011, 01:08:03 pm »
Romantics, werewolves and other moon-gazers are in for a treat this weekend as they witness the biggest full moon seen in nearly 20 years.

But experts are discounting predictions of earthquakes associated with the event.

The moon's orbit is elliptical, and as it follows its path one side of the ellipse, known as perigee, passes about 50,000 kilometres closer than the on the other side - apogee.

A perigee full moon appears around 14 per cent bigger and 30 per cent brighter than an apogee full moon.

Geoffrey Wyatt from the Sydney Observatory says the upcoming full moon - which NASA's website says will be of "rare size and beauty" - will rise about 08.00 pm (AEDT) on Saturday.

But it becomes full on Sunday morning at 05.10 am (AEDT), one hour before lunar perigee.

"So, Sunday morning, those people who are up early or getting home super late, look to the west and you'll see the biggest moon for 18 years," Mr Wyatt said.

The last time the full moon was so big and close to Earth was in March 1993.

"You've got two cycles here. You've got 29-and-a-half days between full moons and then you've got 27 and a half days from apogee to apogee," Mr Wyatt said.

"That difference builds up and although you get a perigee every month, to get it at minimum distance takes about 18 years."

Perigee full moons also usually bring extra-high tides, but Daniel Jaksa, co-director of the joint Australian Tsunami Warning Centre, says they will probably be a fraction of one per cent higher than normal.


Earthquake predictions

Meanwhile an Auckland-based mathematician known as the "Moonman", Ken Ring, has warned the perigee moon will cause another major earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand.

Mr Ring claims he predicted Christchurch's deadly February 22 quake by studying the moon.

But Mr Wyatt says he would like to see some scientific proof to back the Mr Ring's claims.

"For a few weeks now we've been hearing people talk about 'Moonageddon'," he said.

"It's depressing to hear people saying this sort of thing. There is absolutely no evidence for a causal link between the phases of the moon and earthquake activity.

"It's something you might find in 'Tom's Backyard Mechanic's Book of Celestial Tomfoolery', but you're not going to find that in peer-reviewed journals."

Mr Jaksa agrees.

"You only have to look at the major energy source that's driving the tectonic process and it's not the moon," he said.

"It's the convection currents in the mantle as the Earth tries to cool down from its core outwards that drives plate tectonics."

Mr Wyatt says the claims are a symptom of the human condition.

"People blame things on the alignment of the planets because they want an explanation, but it's not the moon's fault," he said. :o  And what does the moon have to say about all this then  ;D  ::)

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« Reply #145 on: March 19, 2011, 03:14:53 pm »
Official death toll acordig to ninemsn 7197
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/japanquake/8226058/man-rescued-eight-days-after-japan-quake

I hope they get the nuclear plant under control soon. Im not sure what to believe. Some are saying its no where near as bad as what we are bing told and on the other hand some are saying it could get real serious soon. I read this morning that people in USA are getting paranoid and stocking up on Iodine tablets.

There is some prodiuction loss at some of the car factories but i havent heard if any of the bike factories were damaged or have had to stop production. Anyone waiting on back ordered parts from Japan may notice delays.
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« Reply #146 on: March 19, 2011, 03:25:54 pm »
I read this morning that people in USA are getting paranoid and stocking up on Iodine tablets.
Anyone waiting on back ordered parts from Japan may notice delays.

People have ended up in ER ,overdosing on the Iodine. ::)
Re:parts= all things from Japan will come to a slow.More going into the country than coming out.Suppose coal and steel will be at a good price  :-\  not much comfit.  :(
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« Reply #147 on: March 19, 2011, 03:57:45 pm »


Mr Wyatt says the claims are a symptom of the human condition.

"People blame things on the alignment of the planets because they want an explanation, but it's not the moon's fault," he said. :o  And what does the moon have to say about all this then  ;D  ::)


The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?

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« Reply #148 on: March 19, 2011, 04:37:58 pm »
:o  And what does the moon have to say about all this then  ;D  ::)
The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?

Bit of sarcasim on my behalf-sorry..I'm all for the moon and her movements- half my pantry cupboard is full of presevatives from our vegie garden and orchard thanks to the Moon. Its all a balance  8)
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« Reply #149 on: March 19, 2011, 04:40:04 pm »
The moon affects the tides, thats accepted so how is it not accepted that it affects the Earths solids masses in the similar fashion?

Ah but remember that the earths crust is a thin layer floating on a liquid.