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« Reply #210 on: May 22, 2009, 07:01:53 pm »
i can not believe this thread is 15 pages long, where have you guys been racing?
 
if im racing for points its up to me to know or to prove my eligability for a class, and we do that by refering the MA manual, if we all stop reading what isnt written and accept what is instead of twisting it to suite yourself, there will be no ? over eligability.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #211 on: May 22, 2009, 07:30:32 pm »
Funnily enough one line wrapped up the whole existence of MNSW


"In the absence of a satisfactory rationale" 
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« Reply #212 on: May 22, 2009, 07:44:13 pm »
on ya trev

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« Reply #213 on: May 22, 2009, 07:52:43 pm »
Hallelujah Trevor. Good call.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #214 on: May 22, 2009, 08:06:22 pm »
And that why I love Australia,  ;D   as its a free country to run 15 pages of info for young and old alike on Eligibility scrutineer at the Nationals.  ;)   ;D
Live and Learn I say  8)

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #215 on: May 22, 2009, 09:17:01 pm »
EVO, and Pre 85 will be able to use a flat slide of any type.

That is not what it says. It says:
Quote from: Classic Motocross Commission Meeting Minutes
18.6.04 b) Flat slide carburettors are prohibited on all machines except EVO and Pre 85.
Non Era parts such as modern flat slide carbies will still be ineligible.

There were only three of you at the meeting Dave.
How come you managed to stuff it up so that Lectrons are not eligible for Pre78?
They were arguably eligible for all three recent classes before this amendment.
Now you have changed the rules to make them not eligible.
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« Reply #216 on: May 22, 2009, 10:11:06 pm »
If it was 15 pages of info that would be a good thing.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #217 on: May 22, 2009, 10:16:57 pm »
oh stop it -----its not just us reading this. ;D
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #218 on: May 22, 2009, 11:22:21 pm »
From what I have seen sitting on the sidelines all these years VMX is an evolving sport and so riders are entitled to challenge the establishment from time to time where they believe changes can be made - all very democratic.

Where it pisses me off is when well connected or 'influential' people start trying to swing things to suit afew. That is why I like the 'new' fuel rules for example - it brings us all back to earth. So long as bikes are in the spirit of the era I don't see a problem with most things.

The carby rule is a good example - why, if EI and Lectron carbs were available can't they be fitted to any bike of that period. Where you banned from running them then? I doubt it. If on the other hand someone tries to run a Keihin or Mikuni that WASN"T around then more power to the the Commission.

That's why I llike EVO - when it came on the scene it had a simple formula which for the most part still remains.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #219 on: May 23, 2009, 08:14:36 am »
The carby rule is a good example - why, if EI and Lectron carbs were available can't they be fitted to any bike of that period.

Until this recent rule change you could. 

That's why I like EVO - when it came on the scene it had a simple formula which for the most part still remains.

Until this recent rule change the Evolution (EVO) eligibility was simple because it was all in '18.7.12 Evolution Class- Eligibility'. Now it is not.

The carby rule was the argument that Pre-1978, Evolution and Pre-1985 eligibility was not covered by the rules in 18.5 or 18.6.
The carby rule was nonsense because 18.6.0.4 a) would require that round slide carbs fitted to bikes newer than Pre-1975 had to be Pre-1975.
But now that the 18.6.0.4 b) flat slide rule actually names Evo and Pre-1985 it means that 18.5 and 18.6 do apply to Pre-1978, Evolution and Pre-1985.

So Graeme the webmaster's IT175G is now ineligible for Evo because it has the original roundslide Mikuni Powerjet carby standard.
Also, because Evolution does not mention suspension travel the suspension travel rules in 18.5 now apply.
So you all better modify your rear end so that it does not have more than 102mm (4") travel, etc.


What we really need is to fix the rules rather than apply a couple of poorly thought out bandaids that only make things worse.
Lets have a new thread with some serious proposals to fix the rules in it.
The proposals can be structural; such as putting 18.4 and 18.5 into a new Pre-60 through to Pre-75 Eligibility section.
They can also be details such as:
Add Pre-85 classes to 18.2.2 Classes.
Reword 18.2.3.2 to state Pre-1960 through to Pre-1975.
Add a clause to 18.3.0.4 allowing down pipes for Classic Dirt Track.
Provide a definition for Major Component.
Provide a definition for OEM.




       
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #220 on: May 23, 2009, 03:52:14 pm »
Gee. Racing the Nats looks like gangs of fun!  :-X Our biggest argument down here is whether we increase the free can at the end of the day from one to two..... :-\

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« Reply #221 on: May 23, 2009, 04:14:20 pm »
Spot on 414, thank goodness we've got Viper in Victoria

Are you going to Barrabool tomorrow for heaps of no bullshit fun  ???

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #222 on: May 23, 2009, 05:32:37 pm »
Dave T - might be time to weigh in here and clear things up. The old addage "if it ain't broke don't f... with it" may well have been a simple one and so was the EVO formula - clarification is required. We want to encourage entry to the sport not thwart it !!!

MA has a funny way of interferring (although I will stand corrected) - Can a FULL PDF file be put on here so everyone knows the current state of play not just a few?

Otherwise why not bring back square race plates and the stupid 'one club rule' ???

Some of the Vic guys might like to expand on the VIPER way of doing things - especially the free can? That sounds good !

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #223 on: May 23, 2009, 05:40:13 pm »
And while he is at it he can justify why he banned Lectrons from Pre1978 too.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #224 on: May 23, 2009, 05:56:47 pm »
What makes Viper so special? I can't remember the last time there was a protest or any bitching about bike eligibility at a Qld vintage MX meeting. It seems to just be the Nationals where all the rulebook nazis come out.