Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals

[Nathan S]

And I'm really getting tired of the attitude that says "If your understanding of the rules is different to mine, then you must be wanting to cheat".

Look at this thread for just one example: It starts with a national commissioner explaining one (presumably official) interpretation, which clears a lot of stuff up and most people are thankful for. Then there are lots more questions, some of which have been answered others have not.
Everybody is keen to know because they want their bike to be legal. We're trying to keep old bikes running - often bikes that were rare 35 years ago, and often bikes that were flawed from new - so commonsense says that people aren't going to keep their bikes 100% original.

Its like all of the angst over the Christian Bible, and the different interpretations of it. But unlike the Bible, the VMX rulebook can be re-written to clear up the ambiguities and to make the rules say what we want them to say.
So why anyone would want to stick their head in the sand and say "Nup, you're alll wrong, my interpretation is the only correct one, there's no problem" is beyond me.

[Rosco400]

Guilt brings out the best in all of us

[mboddy]

However, the Evo rules say that "bikes must be OEM" - most people's understanding of that incredibly ambiguous rule means that you're not allowed to perform carby swaps.

Fair enough.
Looks like we need that definition of OEM before the carby rule is altered.
Dave T; can you contact the other two and get the carby rule change dropped please?

I maintained the PCRA New Era rules for three years and I am willing to offer my time to tidy up Chapter 18.
However, it must be a consultative process. And so we should start that Rules thread on this forum ASAP.
And no mid season rule changes either. It must be completed in time to get into 2010 MoMS or wait for 2011 MoMS.

What do you say Dave?

 

[VMX247]

http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=MA_Reports&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=46505
carby info page three
cheers

It's that time of year again and it only comes once a year-that why I posted up the minutes, to get the info out there to the riders to contact there respective club committees and get the ball rolling...
At least we still have the pre65 class going     (even if it is small) its available to all owners of pre 65 to use it or loose it .
mboddy maybe  us your club   
cheers

[firko]

. I suspect that the wording on this carby submission has been firked up between the meeting and Daves post and for the life of me can't imagine a pre '78 bike being excluded because it has a Lectron. I'm scratching my head over allowing flat slide Japanese carbies into Evo though. Maybe it's been lost in the translation as well.

get a grip and race your bike as it was manufactured.

Trev..While I've agreed with your previous statements I have to take you to task on the above. In over thirty years in the sport, I've truthfully never raced a bog standard bike. I think I speak for most of us when I say that one of the most basic facets of any motorsport is to modify the vehicle to improve performance and try and gain some advantage over the competition. Modifying vintage motocross bikes is as natural a wearing a helmet. Demanding that bikes be OEM pure would put far too much undue stress on scrutineers.

[micks]

ar magoo there`s that oem again

[worms]

well said firko, i would love to see it kept simple and maybe thats my problem.

anyway im sure we will all have a great time discussing the rules at CD6

Cheers Trev

[oz555ktm]

Please be for you go and change the rule because a few on this form
say so

 Belive Me  A lot of guys who Do race ( more than 1 meeting a year) and racing  Old Bike are Very Happpy to go with the Rules .

I have only seen a handfull who dont like rule Because that have some thing
not wright Later Mod Parts  . and Want rules  Changed .but will not change the Parts..
Thats 1 apple in a Box full .

This is Not the Place to use a Base to Change Rules .
It must come from Club Leavel .
This Must come from  the Hard Core  of the Vintage Riders who do more than just 1 or 2 meeting a year.

Not From  Racers  who only come out once a year .

I race 9 rounds of Vintage MX
I do around 7  or more vintage Dt
Jack Hogg DT
Amcross Moden on a Vintage Bike 
and 9 round of Mx.on a Vintage Bike .
a Life Member of the ACT.Mcc and a Member of 3 other Clubs

I am a leave 3 Scrutineer and Clark  Both MX and DT .

Rule are Rule I do not like a lot of Rule in Life To But thay are all trying to
keep it Fair for All.
NOT just for One or two .

Ps if you have a Lot of time jyou can Read the Rule on Vintage Raceing in the USA ..
and read about One off or Built to Order Bikes Eg Penton .

[pancho]

a rule that says period bikes are to be OEM is NUTS. does that include tyre brand? it has been aussie tradition to get the most out of your machinery that you can, meaning that parts available at the time period under discussion are available for utilization.    if i new Dr who well in 1957 i would have got some good second hand hot bits off the later models! oops i'm forgetting about inflation.

[JohnnyO]

I think you'll find it's ok to fit alloy swingarms, after market pipes, radial heads, better shocks etc as long as they were available in the era.

[mboddy]

Please be for you go and change the rule because a few on this form say so

 Belive Me  A lot of guys who Do race ( more than 1 meeting a year) and racing  Old Bike are Very Happpy to go with the Rules .

I have only seen a handfull who dont like rule Because that have some thing
not wright Later Mod Parts  . and Want rules  Changed .but will not change the Parts..

Sorry, but I think I have not been clear about what it is that needs changing about the rules.
It is not to allow something to be eligible that hasn't or vise versa.
It is to improve the readability of the rules and correct some of the ambiguities.
The huge thread about a year ago about what the interpretation of EOM was, and how many different interpretations everyone has about what it means, proves that the rules as they stand are lacking.
The recent rule change that we have been discussing here also proves the point.
I spoke to Dave at the last Nationals about the rules and he said that his intention was for the rules to be clarified.
Unfortunately, because the rules are so poorly structured, the carby rule change has made them worse rather than better.

It must be obvious from the rules what the intention of the rules are. Is it Silhouette racing like the Historic Road Racing where you can fit V-Force reeds and Gold Valve Emulators or do all components have to be of the Era or exact replicas? Or if it is somewhere between both, then what is the rationale behind it. 
It must be obvious from the rules what is allowed to be changed from how the bike was as it was originally sold.
For example, it may be obvious that the tyres can be new, but is it ok to fit fatty bars in Evolution?
So there must be definitions of Major and Minor components, and what is meant by OEM, etc.
And if the rules conflict with normal practice then they must be brought in line. For example, down pipes have been used in Dirt Track since before I started racing in the early 70s but the rules as they are do not allow this.

Many people are aware that the rules are sloppy and should be revised.
What better place for an open and transparent discussion of the rules than this forum?


 

[211kawasaki]

Guys

many times before I have said this, the Commission is only taking recomendations it received to the LCBs for agreement or not; you have to understand that the Commission is NOT making the rules, its simply the adminstrative body that collates the requests into a format for the State LCBs to decide.

As for the Lectron issue
NOTE: as the rules stand on this day there are no Lectron carbys allowed no flat slides of any type in fact - period. (there will however; pending the pre approval of the issue from the State LCBs, an allowance for pre 85 and EVO to have these items at this years nationals)

Based on submissions to the Commission it was agreed that there is sufficent evidence to (correctly in my view) allow flat slides of any kind in EVO and Pre 85. There is no dispute that you could buy a non pumper Lectron in 1977, the Commission - again based on the submissions decided not to propose flat slide carbs for pre 78. Its not an issue of Lectrons being available in the period, its about allowing for the correct type available. For example we chose to allow flat slides in EVO, Pre 85 because there are no issues of type (pumper; not pumper; Mikuni ; Lectron etc) There are issues of type in the pre 78 period and the evidence presented while strong suggested that it would be better not to allow these in Pre 78.

The proposals are with you State LCBs, its now the responsibility of the stake holders of the sport - you guys  lobby your committee for the outcome that best suits your view of the sport.

Again - based on the response from the State LCBs "AND" the majority view will be the result.

Tanner #211

[worms]

Thanks again for your input Dave, you are right, as it does need to come from memmbers acting within their clubs to put changes forward to the commision, as it should be.
Funny as it is, after years at the helm, not one memmber has put a submission to the committee for change, except the push from the QVMX for Pre85 to be accepted into the GCR's as they are today. So they must all be happy with the wording of the GCR's or accepting of them.

Cheers Trev( awaiting submissions to forward on)

[worms]

oh no, i've done it we're at 19 pages

Still waiting

Trev

[oz555ktm]

So just to clear things up ?

Where Flat slides allowed larst year in pre 78 and evo  and Now this year thay are not .

is that wrigth ?