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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #225 on: May 23, 2009, 06:55:14 pm »
Lets give thanks to the rule book nazis , they  keep the cheats under control, if you think you can get away with it, dont cry when you get caught out

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« Reply #226 on: May 23, 2009, 07:46:29 pm »
Lets give thanks to the rule book nazis , they  keep the cheats under control, if you think you can get away with it, dont cry when you get caught out
They create a lot of bullshit.. There's 17 pages of it right here and the race is still 2 months away!

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #227 on: May 23, 2009, 07:56:08 pm »
i dont care if this is 1 or 20 pages long. If it has helped people understand the rules and know where they stand then its all for a good cause. Its clear to me that some of the rules are just not clear enough if there is that many people asking questions. I just hope that the people who are not sure of something dont feel that they are asking a silly question and then decide not to speak up if they feel they are going to be shut down for not understanding or knowing the rules. Some Guys have been attending the nationals for years and will know the rules very well, but im sure there will be some racing for their first time and are new to all this, so i think its good of them to ask on here if there is something they are not sure of and for the people who do know the rules to help with any quiries. :)
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #228 on: May 23, 2009, 08:11:39 pm »
Maicogirl recently heard phoning a Bulgarian Bike Dealer, looking for original muffler packing for her 64gp 500cc Cosac, velly velly interesting  :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #229 on: May 23, 2009, 08:21:18 pm »
The rules are quite clear, it's some peoples understanding of the english language that is the problem. Know what year your bike is then look at the rulebook and see what era it fits into. If it's got later era components fitted then it's not eligible. It's not rocket science.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #230 on: May 23, 2009, 08:32:17 pm »
If they build theyr bike to the book and spirit of the era they have nothing to worry .

That is what I thought. Until they just changed the rules and my bike is now not eligible.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #231 on: May 23, 2009, 08:35:09 pm »
Which rule was changed.. are you talking flatslide carby's?

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #232 on: May 23, 2009, 08:47:11 pm »
Which rule was changed.. are you talking flatslide carby's?
Yes.
I have a 1977 Yamaha IT250D with a 36mm non-powerjet Lectron flatslide carby from a 1977 Penton GS6.
I race it in Classic Dirt Track.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #233 on: May 23, 2009, 09:30:01 pm »
those that cheat p**s me off , but not nearly as much as those who call someone a cheat but haven't got the balls to lodge a protest, and continue to bitch about it after the event . (put up or shut up)

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #234 on: May 23, 2009, 09:33:35 pm »
My brother has got a piece of wood with a nail in it.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #235 on: May 23, 2009, 09:40:36 pm »
or it is covered by 'must retain OEM appearance/externally unchanged' part of the ruling. So even if a Lectron was fitted to another pre 78 bike as std fitment, if you then fitted it to a IT or another pre 78 bike that originally had a round slide then it is changing the external appearance and not OEM fitment anymore. But then that doesnt make sense because that means you have to take off the lectron on any bike that originally had one fitted in 77 and put a round slide on it but then that is changing external appearance and not be original ???  :-\. You could put a Lectron on a IT back in 77 so i dont know why its just not allowed now. I can see where Mboddy is comming from. To me, not allowing/outlawing parts & mods that were done/could be done and were fitted back in the day is not within the spirit of the era. ;)
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #236 on: May 23, 2009, 09:48:11 pm »
this is where it's called in the spirit of the sport, :-\
 no IT was made with a flat slide! sounds pretty simple to me.

it's fine to sit and say the rules should say this or that but we have another example of twisting the rules UNTIL they suit.

get a grip and race your bike as it was manufactured.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #237 on: May 24, 2009, 08:29:44 am »
If they build theyr bike to the book and spirit of the era they have nothing to worry .

That is what I thought. Until they just changed the rules and my bike is now not eligible.



Life sucks I know. If you have a '77 VB Montesa, you have to lower your OEM suspension if you want to fit the rules. However the rules also allow us to run 38mm forks for the same era so I'm pretty happy with that. I know we should march on Parliment over such things but instead we just lower our suspension, go race and win!  ;D
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #238 on: May 24, 2009, 08:34:06 am »
Maicogirl recently heard phoning a Bulgarian Bike Dealer, looking for original muffler packing for her 64gp 500cc Cosac, velly velly interesting  :-\ :-\ :-\

Mx Dad
yes i in two brains over whether to do Nats. OEM muffler packing for Cosac is hand spun beards from Albanian Monks. Very hard get now! Back up bike is T34 but turret is from T62. i think they jump on me for that. ::)

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #239 on: May 24, 2009, 08:36:20 am »
Who raced their bikes stock in the day? If we're about "recreating the era", then prohibiting period-possible mods is against the spirit of the era.

My reading of the rules prohibit Lectrons in Evo, but not in pre-78. The carbs were available in 1977 so there's no argument against them. However, the Evo rules say that "bikes must be OEM" - most people's understanding of that incredibly ambiguous rule means that you're not allowed to perform carby swaps.


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