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« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2009, 09:40:49 pm »
G'day guys bit off topic here but i went and looked at a HR holden today '66' model  the body is like 90-95% rust free!!!! comes with 4 others engines to are definate runners ones a 192 i think and the others a 202 the 192 has triple webbers and a yella terra head with mild modified cams or something electrical ingtion and pacemaker extracots like and suposabley comes with a five speed celica gear box thats recondition and a aussie 4 speed or a 2 speed powerglide?? all of its there just needs the time spent to bring it up to standard i was just woundering if i should spend the time on it and my cash  ::) the guy wants $1200 do you know if these are good cars or not????
                 Any advice much appreciated thanks Tom

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« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2009, 09:54:39 pm »
If there's three Webers then the carbs are worth that - but they've got to be Webers, not SUs, not Strombergs, not even Dellortos.

Stadard, they're typical old Australian cars - solid, durable, unremarkable, old things.
You can tweak the engine and make it relatively fast (as this one has been), but a new XR5 Focus will blow its doors off, while using about a third as much fuel....
You can put good shocks and springs in and make them handle a heap better, but a stock poverty-pack EL Falcon will disappear on any winding road....

Like bikes, old cars have both good and bad points - good because they're simple and have lots of character, bad because they're not the cheapest option and require a lot more work to keep running (or, if you chose to just run it into the ground, you're devaluing a rare/collectable thing).

I've got lots of old cars, and I love them. But in the last few years I've learned how much easier it is to just get a newish car and drive it. Parts are everywhere, they're cheap, and you get stuff like good fuel economy, a heater that warms the car up before you get to work, easy starting in hot or cold weather, air-conditioning, etc etc.

But you're younger and more enthusiastic than my jaded old self, so maybe an HR is a good option if you're enthusiastic about it.

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« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2009, 10:54:53 pm »
Go for it Tom. Old Holdens are cool. Having lived the Weber experience on my FJs back when a HR was a fairly newish car, I'd reccommend looking for something a little less finnicky and thirsty for carburetion. They're great carbies when in good nick and good tune but can be a nightmare if you don't undrerstand whats going on with them. It's much worse with three of them. When I was drag racing I went from Webers back to 2"SUs and the car ran harder and stayed in tune longer. It was far less susceptible to changes in the weather. I sold a set of 1 3/4 SUs on a rare Armour manifold just last week to another forum member for $500 and they badly needed kitting so things aren't cheap when it comes to having something decent hanging off your 192.

I back everything Nathan says about the HR. They weren't the best handler in their day and don't scrub up well against the new gen cars at all except for the cool factor. I reckon the HR is one of Holdens better designs and they come up nicely with a bit of wheel treatment. Don't go with 17" wheels as it upsets the geometry but more importantly they look dumb on old Holdens. 14" wheels are a better go. but whatever you do, remember that no matter what you do to an old holden, it'll rarely let you down as long as you keep the oil and maintenance up to it and when it does break down (as all old cars will occasionally do), it's simple and comparitively cheap to work on and is a good starter for learning the basics of mechanics. I love those old Aussie red sixes. Go for it Tom.
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« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2009, 12:14:48 am »
Oh, and while we're talking cars again, I dragged home a Fiat 124 this week. :) Cost me $200 on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=110335981821
Been 'gunna' get one since before I got my Ps, but every decent one I've found has come up when I've been broke (plus I've looked at a lot of shit over the years...).

This one is a project, and I need another project like a hole in the head... But its a good shell - had a few small, well-performed repairs in the past, and needs a hole in the rear quarter fixed, but is exceptionally rust-free for an Italian car of its era.

And nice score Firko!
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« Reply #79 on: January 18, 2009, 10:17:09 am »
g'day Tom, a cool car if you're into them, the celica box would be the go, and like firko said go with the simplest carby setup unless you want to spend your life tuning.

Just make sure you're enthusiastic otherwise it'll seem like a chore to fix it up. This is a pretty good forum for info, and also to check out some pics for motivation and ideas  http://oldholden.com/



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« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2009, 11:44:31 am »
Tom , I'm an old car nutter from way back . Both of what Nathan and Firko have stated is of sound Knowledge & advise .
Sit down and work out all the pro and cons of this purchase , FINAL PROJECT COST as it could run into thousands of $$$$$$. Next comes the up keep $100-00 here and there soon adds up (" if it has tits or tyres it's sure to give you problems " )
and if you can afford it after the above go for it . Brocks quote   "follow your dream "

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« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2009, 12:38:07 pm »
I agree with the above wise old men Tom. If you decide to go with the HR, weigh up what it's going to cost you to achieve what you imagine in your mind. Is the paint good? If not, you're up for 2-3 k for an average but passable paint job, for a show quality job, 5-10k. Firkos points on the Webers are spot on. I had triple 45mm Webers on my 202 powered LJ GTR back in the day and they kept me permanantly broke between filling the tank and getting them tuned. They're great on a full race engine but on the street they're overkill. They look the goods though. Look for a good set of SUs or even better, a 350 Holley and manifold. You're obviously a keen young bloke and doing up an old Holden is such an Aussie thing to do. Unfortunately, no matter how much you do to the HR it'll never be like a modern car to drive. I recently had a drive in a mates sons HD ute fitted with a 12 port 202, Triple Mikuni/Del Ortos, Supra 5 speed and 4 wheel discs and rack and pinion steering and as quick as the car was, it was bloody primitive thing to drive. All that taken into consideration, you and your dad will have a great time working on the HR and the pride you get from driving and owning a hotty you've built yourself can't be topped.

Hey Firko, that Jag is beautiful. I've always had a soft spot for them, especially since Gossy won Bathurst. The sound of a Jag V12 at 7k is music to the ears. That's the buy of the year, up there with Edgars $200 Ossa Phantom GP2. You Klub Kevlar dudes have uncovered some gems in recent years, Jonesys new B44 Metisse is another brilliant find. The only thing I'd do to the Walkinshaw is put the Minilites off the black Jag on it. Good on you big guy, you deserve it.
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« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2009, 01:23:04 pm »
hey nathan i fiat but i dont believe it. i had a fiat 850 sport $4 ran it for two week. i ended up swaping it for a hz statesmen front.the fiat had a burnt valve. i told all my mates that i got and italian sports car and when they saw it they pissed them selfs.

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« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2009, 03:33:53 pm »
The bloke who sold me my XJ-S Jag also has this classic MK2 for sale. It's had all of the bodywork done, is as straight as a dye and runs like a swiss watch. It's got the 4speed overdrive box and 3.4 litre engine. Despite it being partially stripped, it's all there. He needs to sell it because he's moving. If you're interested, PM me.
                               
                               
Hey Nathan, finding a non rusty Fiat is indeed a rare find (as is finding a rust free XJ-S!). Two questions immediately come to mind. 1: Where are you going to put the little bugger as you must admit that here are a lot of vehicles at your house. Second and more seriously, what are you going to do with it? Back in the late 80s my ex wife had one that her current husband fitted a V6 Buick engine (similar to the Commodore V6) and it was a little ripper. I also saw a 124 coupe at the Summernats a few years ago with a turboed FJ20 Toyota engine. It was a seriously deceptive sleeper as it looked bog stock except for a set of Compomotove wheels. I always liked that shaped Fiat but you've got some serious work ahead with that puppy.

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« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2009, 04:19:01 pm »
Firko, you should get together with "Big" John Moffat over at Trials Central. He too has an obsession with jags and twinshocks, but trials twinshocks in his case.

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« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2009, 07:22:54 pm »
Firko's XJ-S reminded me od a "liason" I had once with a girl at Christie's Beach................
She had a red one. Not a Walkinshaw, but it had LE on the back. Limited Edition maybe?
Don't ask why I remember such things.....................
She was all of 18 and Daddy bought her a Jag. Obviously had bad taste cos she liked me..........  :D

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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2009, 07:38:48 pm »
Hey Mark - One cool Jag and with your new you it will be a sensation. Good on ya mate !!!
For my money my pick is an XK140 roadster. What better set of cool wheels to drive to the Fire House lol!
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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2009, 08:58:44 pm »
Firko's XJ-S reminded me od a "liason" I had once with a girl at Christie's Beach................
She had a red one. Not a Walkinshaw, but it had LE on the back. Limited Edition maybe?
Don't ask why I remember such things.....................
She was all of 18 and Daddy bought her a Jag. Obviously had bad taste cos she liked me..........  :D


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« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2009, 09:19:36 pm »
Nice Hemi, thought you my have been a hemi head when i saw your name, valiants have always been undervalued. beautiful...
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« Reply #89 on: January 20, 2009, 10:25:07 pm »
"liason" = Porked  :D

You make it sound so dirty, Hoony............


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