Do You Moto 100?

[yzhilly]

There is a hodaka rolling frame on ozebay at the moment might be worth a look .

[cyclegod]

Doc, are TM100 parts interchangable with TS100?

NO! TM100 and TM125 are almost identical (except barrel/head obviously)

[Doc]

Phil, nope unfortunately the TM100 is totally different mate I have visions of a TS100 with a machined and much lightened flywheel, a nice chamber, ported and flowed with rotary disc durations matched accordingly, a big big powerjet carb on a ram tube induction breathing through a pod and a few internal ratio swaps. All this including the purchase of a bike could come in well under $500

[Wombat]

Hmmm, the TM 100 looks like a serious MXer.
This concept is in its infancy but I understood the intent was to allow 100cc or less Dungers an opportunity to race away from 'real' MX bikes?

...and don't shoot the messenger!
It's a democracy and I'm just throwing this into the mix, OK?

[Ian P]

TM's definitely too flash

[Doc]

yup, no mx or competition bikes allowed

[oldfart]

So is it to be trail and track ?

[Nathan S]

Indeed. If the MX100 and TS90MX aren't legal (as per earlier posts), then there's no way a TM100 should be.

[cyclegod]

This is starting to sound like a lot of fun, I may have to bring this up at the next club meeting along with a transcript. I spoke to my boss today and a mate at another company and they could be persuaded to sponsor a "bucket" race at a few meetings with an end of year trophy and some prize money (1st,2nd,3rd, best crash, most blow-ups/dnf's etc from what may be at this stage a $1000 prize pool)

[Ian P]

Most DNF's Sounds just right for me

[firko]

So there Phil, ya cheating Prick!........In all fairness I see where Phill was headed. I think he was looking at fitting a TM100 top end onto a TS100, not using the whole bike. Thankfully they're different engines so that one's nipped in the bud, but what about Yamahas where the MX bits bolt right on? We're going to have to be honest amongst ourselves with using non Kosher parts. Already that self policing policy is working going by the previous posts busting Phils TM dream. Let's hope that when and if this ever gets off the ground we don't get inundated with cheats trying it on like we did in the early days of pre'75.

Speaking of rules and eligibility, I'm gradually putting together a rudumentary set of rules to cover our dunger class. I like the AHRMA idea of publishing a list of bikes that you CAN use. If it ain't on the list, you can't use it. This is where you experts can assist. I'd like to formulate a list of eligible bikes, building on my small initial list. Can you guys help out?
Here's the small list I started with.
Suzuki:: TS/TC 90, TS/TC100
Yamaha:: DT100,LT1, LT2
Honda:: SL100/125, CT90/110
Kawasaki::G3/G4/G5 100
Jawa 90...........
Also..Do you think that making the cutoff pre'78 allows for too much of a development spread. One punter reckons pre '75 would be better. I'm not familiar with the product range to offer a serious opinion. What do you guys think?

What ideas have you got to contribute.............................

[pokey]

Always good to see the possibility of grtting  old bikes a chance to shine  and this has prompted a question thats been buzzing my head for a while.

 What of the designated 100cc race bikes like the MX100 and TM 100s? has to be a few lying around someplace  much as there should be a few 175 race bikes lurking in cobwebs.Are they forced forever to race up a class or will a 100 and 200cc class be recreated like it was way back when.

[Mick22]

Bucket racing is grouse fun, I used to race in it when it was at the Vic dirt track series about 15 years ago, some events they had about 30 starters, and started again last year in the CSC series in western Vic. For some reason racing around on slow shit boxes with your mates is a lot of fun.

Make it pre75 because all the pre75 bikes are as slow as each other but pre78 lets in the later SL125 (2 piece head) engine which can be made to go very quick! In the CSC they allow the late SL125 engine because they are lot easier to get so this is pretty much what everyone runs. But it was better when it was resticted to pre75 because all the 100cc 2 strokes are still competitive and you get a better mix of bikes on the grid

[Nathan S]

Thankfully they're different engines so that one's nipped in the bud, but what about Yamahas where the MX bits bolt right on?

I dunno how much it matters, really. If we were talking 125s, a DT125 barrel is a better starting point than an MX125 item - and its dead easy to simply copy the MX porting specs straight into a DT barrel anyhow (assuming you thought that was a good idea, which it isn't). I assume that the DT and MX100 barrels are the same story.
So unless you also introduce a rule to prevent custom porting, then who cares whether its a DT or an MX barrel? Such a rule would be very hard to enforce.

I guess the LT2MX would fit into the same boat as the TS90MX - but as they were essentially kit bikes, it'd be hard to keep all of their bits off their 'standard' cousins.

I like the AHRMA idea of publishing a list of bikes that you CAN use. If it ain't on the list, you can't use it.
Here's the small list I started with.
Suzuki:: TS/TC 90, TS/TC100
Yamaha:: DT100, LT1, LT2, DT/GT80, AG100*
Honda:: SL100/125, CT90/110, XL100/125, XL75
Kawasaki::G3/G4/G5 100
Jawa 90...........
Hodakas?
Geminis?

Also..Do you think that making the cutoff pre'78 allows for too much of a development spread. One punter reckons pre '75 would be better. I'm not familiar with the product range to offer a serious opinion.
What ideas have you got to contribute.............................

Can't speak with any knowledge of the other brands, but:
A non-bubble-tank XL100 is definitely a nicer bike than the older SL/bubble tank XL100. Does that make it a faster MX bike? I don't know, but I suspect that the difference will be marginal.

In Yamaha land, the 74 and 77 model DT100s are basically identical, and the DT100 is heaps better than the LT1/2, so (provided you allow model run-ons) there's no difference whether its pre-75 or pre-78.



*This might sound like a weird addition, but the AG100 is basically the same bike as an LT2, but are much easier to get bits for.

[oldfart]

Firko .... what capacity is the cut off I see you have Honda SL 100/125 but no mention of the TS 125