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Offline Iain Cameron

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Re: Simplicity and bullshit ( but we can fix it )
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2013, 01:49:27 pm »
Ok Im not up on all the MA side of things but what do they do for us (sorry question key is US ). Like many Ive heard all sorts of things , like our insurance pays for the likes of Crusty Demons type events . But lets remember to be truthful we are a very small mob and  that we feel MA has no recognition of our needs . Ok lets send MA a letter stating this and ask what we get for our money and if they (who work for us and are paid by us )cant give us an answer to help us we look to starting our own controlling body . just some thoughts on a Sat morning . Iain
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2013, 02:32:16 pm »
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Ok I'll start making inquiries with Winton (Vic) track and AASA and see what I can get off the ground, for this year or next, maybe Post Classic and Classic?

I see it now  The Scooter-News Australian Vintage Motocross Championships, incorporating Classic and Post Classic Championships.

I will be aiming for it to be the 'backyard championships', meaning we are going back to basics, if I can make something happen I expect you all to help in some way,  I'll hopefully have first response from my inquiries on Monday or Tuesday, stay tuned  :-)][/quote]

Just a question
,Is there ramifications to MA Licence holders/members competeing in non MA sanctioned events,

I notice that in the australian Superbike champs (MA) verse     fx superbikes (AASA)  there are does not appear to be any riders competeing in both events,

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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2013, 02:42:42 pm »
Ok Im not up on all the MA side of things but what do they do for us (sorry question key is US ).
 Ok lets send MA a letter stating this and ask what we get for our money


According to the MoMS, the three members of the MA classic motocross and dirt track commission are Dave Tanner, Shane Fraser and Kerry Marsh, all of whom appear on this forum. That would be a good place to start getting your message across if you wish to pass on the message of discontent. No point shotgunning the messengers though, but those guys are your conduit.
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2013, 03:08:35 pm »
I have met Dave a few times , Fatboy and Freaky I talk to a fair bit , these gents are working for us in my opinion . The trouble seems to be in the upper reaches of MA and the committee for VMX is caught between a rock and hard place . In another life I was a committee member of NSWMA for Trials , with what riders asked of us and then the hard ass stand by NSWMA I lasted a year of bashing my head on the wall lost a few friends who thought I was not working hard enough for them . Dave ,Shane and Kerry should not be put in a position to bag MA as they are our only hope of some help from MA . Iain
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2013, 04:01:46 pm »
So who do discontented punters go to then Iain , this seems to be how MA operates . They give the punters a face but the face is a mate so nobody wants to offend them or ask akward questions .

This forum is a perfect place for MA to have a Q&A board allbeit the commisioners or somone higher up the chain to address the concerns of the masses .

I was a modern MX commisioner with MNZ in another life until like yourself i realised due to the way the system is i was working for the man rather than those i was elected to represent.

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2013, 04:39:08 pm »
Bill I think go to the top , Not our reps or the state bodies as the buck seems to get passed . Motorcycling Australia managing director if he cant give us an answer as to why we are being bled dry . These people are paid by us when we and many others volunteer our time and in some cases pay out of our own pockets . The letter should be from concerned vintage dirt bike riders . Iain
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Re: Simplicity and bullshit ( but we can fix it )
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2013, 04:56:41 pm »


I think we need to go back to a post of mine from a couple of weeks ago where I brought up the subject of the AASA motorsport controlling body which is basically Benalla Auto Club (Winton Raceway), the Australian Roadrace Championship, 'Formula Extreme' is run under the AASA banner and Terry Oneil who runs the Championship gets television broadcasting for all rounds & classes.  The MA Roadrace Championship doesn't get air-time!!!


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 John,I know from seeing Formula Extreme on the box that they had good fields of riders,I am guessing most riders also held MA licences,Do you know if MA got there noses out of joint having "their" members riding in some one else's event,I seem to recall years ago they would threaten license cancellation or some other crap If you didn't always play in their sandpit, I think anyone could run an independent race if they had all the right permits,insurances etc from all the relevent authorities,Shitloads of money & time & helpers would also be needed, AASA is a good solution which would fix those problems but would require total commitment from everybody,Clubs included,I guess ya gotta start somewhere :) 

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2013, 05:41:55 pm »
A few years ago, we (Ray Ryan, Ken Smith, Firko, Don Newell, Averill Grayson, myself and others)tried to get a "VMX Riders Association" off the ground after a similar spate of discontent among the troops.
It was not intended to replace or pull out of MA, but give us a united voice on the major issues affecting our sphere of interest.
The idea was promoted for over a year, with information stands at two CDs, and two VMX Nats.
 VMX Mag ran full ads and at least one article.
It was advertised and an editorial in ADB.
We were given the opportunity at many event briefings to state our case.
Letters and posters stating the aims of the Association went to every club invoved in VMX at that time.
Membership was $20 per year.
We considered we,d need at least 100 members to make a meaningfull representation if we were to be viable.
If everyone that applauded the concept, and pledged they would join did so we'd have been a goer.
Long story short, with less than 50 members after nearly two years we gave up, returned the membership fees to those who did join, and accepted that although there was a lot of talk, in reality apathy reigns.

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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2013, 06:08:30 pm »
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Ok I'll start making inquiries with Winton (Vic) track and AASA and see what I can get off the ground, for this year or next, maybe Post Classic and Classic?

I see it now  The Scooter-News Australian Vintage Motocross Championships, incorporating Classic and Post Classic Championships.

I will be aiming for it to be the 'backyard championships', meaning we are going back to basics, if I can make something happen I expect you all to help in some way,  I'll hopefully have first response from my inquiries on Monday or Tuesday, stay tuned  :-)]

Just a question
,Is there ramifications to MA Licence holders/members competeing in non MA sanctioned events,

I notice that in the australian Superbike champs (MA) verse     fx superbikes (AASA)  there are does not appear to be any riders competeing in both events,
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No, and the nice folk who own Winton will be particularly supportive if MA tried to pull any crap on riders - Bob Jane took on CAMS and won (easily) ~20 years ago. Since then, the anti-competition laws have only gotten stronger and better understood.
While I've heard MA has made occasional threats, nobody is stupid enough to try to make good on them (not even CAMS).
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2013, 08:31:10 pm »
I've ridden Formula Extreme events, they accepted either AASA or MA.  To ride their Friday 'test & tune' days, you take out a one-day AASA licence to ride.  When I did the last Winton MX practise day, they accepted either MA or AASA licences.

The guys at Winton and AASA are so easy to get along with, even more so now that Mick Ronke isn't there any more (RIP).

I will get more info this week and come back to you guys with some answers.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2013, 09:30:09 pm by John Orchard »
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2013, 10:28:14 am »
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Its a prestige event and MA might be trying to up hold that for that reason.
.riders travel to the titles because it is an Australian Title.You dont see the amount of comitment to travel for a big Open event.

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Can't say I agree with you there VMX247.....

THE most prestigious event I've attended was WAVMX's 15th year anniversary. I believe over 160 entries and 200 plus bikes. Riders came from far and wide with a host of riders from overseas as well. I'd never seen so many CCM's in one place!

I believe the club went to great lengths to avoid ALL the complications of dealing with MA and their outrageous hoops of bureaucracies.

Whats more, there was no racing for trophies OR championship status and yet everybody had the throttle wide open from the very get go.

Personally, I think the model that you westies have for VMX  is a great example on how VMX can thrive without all the fuss!

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Re: Simplicity and bullshit ( but we can fix it )
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2013, 11:01:14 am »
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Its a prestige event and MA might be trying to up hold that for that reason.
Riders travel to the titles because it is an Australian Title.You dont see the amount of comitment to travel for a big Open event.
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Can't say I agree with you there VMX247.....

oh well !! we've had every other theory   :D
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2013, 11:09:52 am »
Yes in deedy!   ;)
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Re: Simplicity and bullshit ( but we can fix it )
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2013, 08:32:52 am »

Long story short, with less than 50 members after nearly two years we gave up, returned the membership fees to those who did join, and accepted that although there was a lot of talk, in reality apathy reigns.
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Competetors are the only thing that will keep events going.
For what ever reason the numbers are dwindling.
Seems to be the same with everything.   ;)
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Re: Simplicity and bullshit ( but we can fix it )
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2013, 09:11:36 am »
I have long held the view that the Nationals should be held by MA as it's their champoinship and they have the paid personal to do it.
Too long have these buggers used our free labour and expertise to line their coffers.
This country is far too vast to expect ammatures to travel from one end to the other for a series of races and therefore it is better off to hold one-day or week-end championships. The controlling body should be taking over and holding that event. This holds for modern and VMX.