Pre 78 Rule changes

[tmman]

OH!! O!! braddles should always bother........its in his nature...

[motomaniac]

What about 2010 nationals at conondale? I don't give a toss about the forks, just playing the where does it stop card. I'm sure with all the accusations on here of cheater bikes, mine in particular, was a big reason why there was a major check of 'all' pre '78 bikes.

Dont know I missed he 2010 Nats at Conondale because I went to the 2010 Nats at Broadford instead .

[09.0]

Don't waste your time and energy Brad..it's not worth it

For sure. Took him two days to reply and came up with that illiterate garbage. I think that's half the problem, if you write like that then ones reading comprehension must be the same.
 Here I am trying to have an intelligent discussion about what I thought was an important decision.  My mistake.

[tmman]

well big "V" why do you get sucked into the vortex!!!!  i don't subscribe to some of your policies but this has gone on long enough!!!! I FOR one don't give a HOOT about conformity,, because ther was none back then... build a bike!!!! if it gets thru scrutineering you ride,,, seems simple,, if not you rectify or go home!!! same as any factory team since rules started..if you got to race that meeting seems fate was on your side n the powers were to answer for not the ENTRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FourstrokeForever]

well big "V" why do you get sucked into the vortex!!!!  i don't subscribe to some of your policies but this has gone on long enough!!!! I FOR one don't give a HOOT about conformity,, because ther was none back then... build a bike!!!! if it gets thru scrutineering you ride,,, seems simple,, if not you rectify or go home!!! same as any factory team since rules started..if you got to race that meeting seems fate was on your side n the powers were to answer for not the ENTRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!

All this crap about protests and the like are bloody ridiculous. I was at Conondale in '09 and even the Chief Eligibility Scrutineer put in a protest because he was beaten to 2nd place! Fair enough the protest was correct as far as I understand but how does a bike that passes scrutineering end up being not eligible? I think this whole protest thing is getting out of hand.....and all for a $5 trophie! Yet not a single soul said anything about Glen Bell's '84 CR500 having upside down forks! WTF!
Even the protagonists on here have openly agreed that an extra inch of travel isn't going to make a bike/rider go that much faster. In many cases, it will hinder their cause.
Surely we (as a bunch of like minded riders) should be making things easy to get bums on seats. By asking everyone to go to the rule book everytime they buy a new bike is just plain ridiculous in my view. If the bike is stock and had the extra inch back in the day, so be it. No one complained or protested back then, they just raced and got on with it. Is it going to get the point where riders/owners of bikes are going to have to pull their bikes apart to prove they don't have modern valving or damping rods in their forks? Disassemble engines to prove they don't have later model gearboxes? I bet the guys at front have the best of everything inside their forks, shocks and motors.....

[albrid-3]

If the cut off date had been pre 77  to 74, and pre 74 to pre70, everybody should be happy, 74 model YZB, could leave their shocks as they where., Bikes with lay down rear units could also be left
as they where back in 74, it only make sence.
I will say it again, the cut off dates need to be changed, I was not happy when we submitted them in the early 90`s.

[JohnnyO]

well big "V" why do you get sucked into the vortex!!!!  i don't subscribe to some of your policies but this has gone on long enough!!!! I FOR one don't give a HOOT about conformity,, because ther was none back then... build a bike!!!! if it gets thru scrutineering you ride,,, seems simple,, if not you rectify or go home!!! same as any factory team since rules started..if you got to race that meeting seems fate was on your side n the powers were to answer for not the ENTRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!

All this crap about protests and the like are bloody ridiculous. I was at Conondale in '09 and even the Chief Eligibility Scrutineer put in a protest because he was beaten to 2nd place! Fair enough the protest was correct as far as I understand but how does a bike that passes scrutineering end up being not eligible? I think this whole protest thing is getting out of hand.....and all for a $5 trophie! Yet not a single soul said anything about Glen Bell's '84 CR500 having upside down forks! WTF!
Even the protagonists on here have openly agreed that an extra inch of travel isn't going to make a bike/rider go that much faster. In many cases, it will hinder their cause.
Surely we (as a bunch of like minded riders) should be making things easy to get bums on seats. By asking everyone to go to the rule book everytime they buy a new bike is just plain ridiculous in my view. If the bike is stock and had the extra inch back in the day, so be it. No one complained or protested back then, they just raced and got on with it. Is it going to get the point where riders/owners of bikes are going to have to pull their bikes apart to prove they don't have modern valving or damping rods in their forks? Disassemble engines to prove they don't have later model gearboxes? I bet the guys at front have the best of everything inside their forks, shocks and motors.....

At the '94 Nats at Cherribah a rider was protested and disqualified for illegal front forks in pre '75. Nothings changed since then, it hasn't got any harder to build a legal race bike and rules are still rules and do get enforced. This year 1 rider got caught out with a bike that didn't comply, it's happened before and it'll happen again. The vmx world isn't going to cave in because of it..

[JohnnyO]

If the cut off date had been pre 77  to 74, and pre 74 to pre70, everybody should be happy, 74 model YZB, could leave their shocks as they where., Bikes with lay down rear units could also be left
as they where back in 74, it only make sence.
I will say it again, the cut off dates need to be changed, I was not happy when we submitted them in the early 90`s.

That won't fix anything.. moving the cut off dates won't stop people cheating.

[albrid-3]

I would feel that it would stop the cheats, all bikes would end up being standard machines, the only modification would be, if a purchase twin shock had layed down units, in 1974 was the era when
most riders layed their units down, 76 Kawasaki would have had 1inch more travel, then that is a question mark, and that alone won`t help anybody  to win races.

[vandy010]

i'm actually quite surprised at how EASY it is to COMPLY with the rules we have for our sport.
i don't understand how people can complicate things or why they want to.
i do believe it is a choice.
the rule makers/enforcers have a difficult job as they'll always cop flack from someone somewhere.
my belief is that the way things are at present is good for the sport.
if we really want to confuse club days with national events then there'll be more protsets than we need and not enough eligibility scrutineers to cope with the situation.
some of the excuses people try on are quite humorous and these mostly come from folk that should know better.
it's ok to drive for a day to get to a race, so why can't that same person take a day to fix a problem.

[albrid-3]

i'm actually quite surprised at how EASY it is to COMPLY with the rules we have for our sport.
i don't understand how people can complicate things or why they want to.
i do believe it is a choice.
the rule makers/enforcers have a difficult job as they'll always cop flack from someone somewhere.
my belief is that the way things are at present is good for the sport.
if we really want to confuse club days with national events then there'll be more protsets than we need and not enough eligibility scrutineers to cope with the situation.
some of the excuses people try on are quite humorous and these mostly come from folk that should know better.
it's ok to drive for a day to get to a race, so why can't that same person take a day to fix a problem.

I do agree with you, but I am also strong about the cut off dates., their  where long discussion about rules over months and nights, to submitt the format as it is today, as I can say there where heated moments at times. It would be very hard to change the concentuion now.

[bigk]

My wife would have liked an extra inch.
K

[BAHNZY]

Im lov'n the retorts ,keep them coming, great way to waste a Sunday arvo.
Given that the rules ain't gunna change any time soon, it's a lot of hot air over nothing.

Craig got it right Brad, ain't worth the energy..... But it does bring a smile!

[Bamford#69]

Hi,
wouldn't it be nice if everyone  had spellcheck or maybe had a look at a dickshinairy, before they were allowed near a keyboard.
cheers

[firko]

Hi,
wouldn't it be nice if everyone  had spellcheck or maybe had a look at a dickshinairy, before they were allowed near a keyboard.
cheers

Damn, here's a first .....I couldn't agree with you more Michael.