Pre 78 Rule changes

[matcho mick]

you guys crack me up ,

[firko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP2tqJTSfgU

You've gotta love a bit of Tom Waits to put it all in perspective! Down by Law is one of my all time favourite movies, much more entertaining than 10 pages of arguing the toss on those 'waskally wules'.

I've changed my opinion twice over the last 10 pages and now reckon we should leave the pre '78 class rules well alone. The class is one probably the fastest growing in the sport so why bugger with something that obviously works. No set of rules is ever going to satisfy everyone but as long as they satisfy the majority that's a win for democracy. Now, where's my Tom Waits 'Blue Valentine' CD?

[Slakewell]

you guys crack me up ,

Have to agree some of you need to take a breath and get a fresh beer from the fridge.
I have to smile when someone thinks they know my motivation for broaching this topic. No I haven't just started this believe because of my Husky at the Nats I have always said that bikes should be legal in stock trim. Brad I know you were very busy at the Nats riding superbly but if you had the time to look at the bikes ridding Pre 78 you may have noticed that many of the mid pack punters would not have passed the tape measure as Nathan pointed out up until this year Nats no one gave a toss. This is not about trying to gain some type of advantage but simply to keep this great class free of bull shit finger pointing that has killed some classes. I would be happy to ride and own a 9" travel KTM 400 if I could find one.
IMO and it is just mine that now the can of worms has been opened at this year Nats the finger pointing will only get worse and the Mid pack guys will stop coming.   

[09.0]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.

Again you are talking about a club day. You want to call it a fancy name to make out its a big series but it has to be a different form of a club day.

Okay have it your way , everything that isn't the Nats is a club event from now on .No problem, except we used the MA rule book to run our "clubday" series (and are MA affiliated) so when discussing the MA rules why do you make a differentiation between our "clubday" series and the Nats ?

Probably because you take bits out of my post and twist it to suit your own argument. I never said everything except a national is a club day. You talk your 'series' up as if it's a top tier event. It's a series of club days. We have club days that are sanctioned and governed by the same rules. You were making the distinction that your series doesn't carry on about rules and is laid back. So are our club days.
Completely different to a nationals or even a big open event like mr Vmx.

[09.0]

you guys crack me up ,

Have to agree some of you need to take a breath and get a fresh beer from the fridge.
I have to smile when someone thinks they know my motivation for broaching this topic. No I haven't just started this believe because of my Husky at the Nats I have always said that bikes should be legal in stock trim. Brad I know you were very busy at the Nats riding superbly but if you had the time to look at the bikes ridding Pre 78 you may have noticed that many of the mid pack punters would not have passed the tape measure as Nathan pointed out up until this year Nats no one gave a toss. This is not about trying to gain some type of advantage but simply to keep this great class free of bull shit finger pointing that has killed some classes. I would be happy to ride and own a 9" travel KTM 400 if I could find one.
IMO and it is just mine that now the can of worms has been opened at this year Nats the finger pointing will only get worse and the Mid pack guys will stop coming.   

Nathan did not rightly point out that no one gave a toss up till now. I corrected him with the 2009 nationals where it all came to a head back then. People were unhappy about bikes that were raced at coffs back in 2007 and when a particular bike in the same trim was still running 'illegally' , said bike and others were protested and upheld. As also stated, it was heavily debated prior to these nationals again.
Also then the mid pack punters should be put on notice as well.
As I bought shocks specifically to be within the rules, I would have to buy a new set to be on a level playing field. That will certainly piss me off.

[motomaniac]

Again you are talking about a club day. You want to call it a fancy name to make out its a big series but it has to be a different form of a club day.

Okay have it your way , everything that isn't the Nats is a club event from now on .No problem, except we used the MA rule book to run our "clubday" series (and are MA affiliated) so when discussing the MA rules why do you make a differentiation between our "clubday" series and the Nats ?

Probably because you take bits out of my post and twist it to suit your own argument. I never said everything except a national is a club day. You talk your 'series' up as if it's a top tier event.
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maybe you should quote me on talking our "series up or people will start to think its all in your  own little head.
I said that or series (vcm) are MA affiliated and are governed by the MA rule book.It makes no difference that you wantto call it a series of clubdays or of I talk it up or if your think that I talk it up.Its part of the sanctioning body , the MA, same as the Nats so there s just as much validity in being involved or instigating change.
I dont think claiming MA affiliation is a talk up but you are definitely talking our series down.
Good fuggin' luck to you Bud

[motomaniac]

Is this about Victorians and New South Welshman being a bunch of sore loosers?....they seen to be the only ones wingging....it always erks me too when you get the tossers that dont race put there 2 bobs worth in.  Mick, you should have thought about putting your post on here before you did it because up untill then no one had bought it up about someone being pinged for incorect travel and disqualified...I feel sorry for your rider as he is the one who got dis

So Vics and NSW'S are loosers and are wingging (is that the same as flying?) and VMXers who don't race are tossers and should be seen but not heard ?

and who is living in the darkages? run it by me again plz

[09.0]

Slakewells first post was about the idea of writing to the MA. Anyway us southeners aint talking about club days, we are talking about our MA affiliated series that use's the MA's rule book.

Ditto in Qld

So why suggest its about clubdays ? Doh!

That's what we call them.. QVMX club days!

Well I dont know what you do in your state I only know that we have (vcm) has a series and that what its called.I dont think that I have ever raced a VMX clubday

There's your quote. You make out that your series ( that I'm not putting down) has the same status as a national event in that it's sanctioned and runs by the same rule book. Hello! So are club days.
Stuff going on about it with you as you are in a different library let alone on a different page than me.
I will call you out again as you won't say anything on your posts in another similar thread saying my bike didn't comply and I was a cheat. I say fork you and the shit box bike you ride! Next time I will front you face to face on the matter.

[Nathan S]

you guys crack me up ,

Have to agree some of you need to take a breath and get a fresh beer from the fridge.
I have to smile when someone thinks they know my motivation for broaching this topic. No I haven't just started this believe because of my Husky at the Nats I have always said that bikes should be legal in stock trim. Brad I know you were very busy at the Nats riding superbly but if you had the time to look at the bikes ridding Pre 78 you may have noticed that many of the mid pack punters would not have passed the tape measure as Nathan pointed out up until this year Nats no one gave a toss. This is not about trying to gain some type of advantage but simply to keep this great class free of bull shit finger pointing that has killed some classes. I would be happy to ride and own a 9" travel KTM 400 if I could find one.
IMO and it is just mine that now the can of worms has been opened at this year Nats the finger pointing will only get worse and the Mid pack guys will stop coming.   

Nathan did not rightly point out that no one gave a toss up till now. I corrected him with the 2009 nationals where it all came to a head back then. People were unhappy about bikes that were raced at coffs back in 2007 and when a particular bike in the same trim was still running 'illegally' , said bike and others were protested and upheld. As also stated, it was heavily debated prior to these nationals again.
Also then the mid pack punters should be put on notice as well.
As I bought shocks specifically to be within the rules, I would have to buy a new set to be on a level playing field. That will certainly piss me off.

The travel was not the issue in 2009. Don't rewrite history...
One of the three successfully protested bikes might have had more than 9" of travel (and we'll never know for sure either way) - even if it did, it was because it had the wrong forks (from a later model bike) and not because it had stock forks with 3mm too much travel.

[FDR]

According to some you can only comment if you raced at the Aussie titles, fortunately i qualify.
I too would be pissed off if I had modified my bike to meet the 9 inch rule, then have have to purchase new shocks if the rule is scrapped, well i bought a whole bike class being a 77VB 360 Montesa.
The Montesa cost me a lot of money and i dont want to buy new shockers or modify the forks because
a ridiculous rule has been invented.
I simply want to race my bike as it was designed and raced in the day.
The VCM committee will lodge a rule amendment with MA,  we don't expect the rule to change but will at least encourage discussion.
Rule amendment proposal, pretty much along the lines Pre 78 class - 75 to designated 77 models accepting period after market components.
In regards to after market components the bike owner will be obliged to prove components were available in the day.

[JohnnyO]

According to some you can only comment if you raced at the Aussie titles, fortunately i qualify.
I too would be pissed off if I had modified my bike to meet the 9 inch rule, then have have to purchase new shocks if the rule is scrapped, well i bought a whole bike class being a 77VB 360 Montesa.
The Montesa cost me a lot of money and i dont want to buy new shockers or modify the forks because
a ridiculous rule has been invented.
I simply want to race my bike as it was designed and raced in the day.
The VCM committee will lodge a rule amendment with MA,  we don't expect the rule to change but will at least encourage discussion.
Rule amendment proposal, pretty much along the lines Pre 78 class - 75 to designated 77 models accepting period after market components.
In regards to after market components the bike owner will be obliged to prove components were available in the day.

Are you making a list of aftermarket parts to submit or just leaving it open? I've got a Shinobi watercooled head i wouldn't mind using one day..

[FDR]

Are you making a list of aftermarket parts to submit or just leaving it open? I've got a Shinobi watercooled head i wouldn't mind using one day..

My humble opinion watercooled head would be eligable, A friend has a twin shock Honda RA125 water cooled Mugen just sitting around gathering dust, would love to see that bike running Evo class but sadly as per current rules eligable for pre 85

[motomaniac]

There's your quote. You make out that your series ( that I'm not putting down) has the same status as a national event in that it's sanctioned and runs by the same rule book. Hello! So are club days.

Hello Noddy , you now better quote where I said that because our series also runs by the MA rule book and is MA affiliated that makes it of equal staus of a National !!!!! but you can't because I didnt say that - it once again comes from your own little brain. Really Mate lots of people can read this shit , maybe you should start sniffing a different type of tile glue - its been too long.

" so are club days "
really Nobby ? So what you are saying is that the Mons is not just written for a oneday a year National event ? Interesting indeed ,I wonder if people who ride other events other than the "Nats" realize that ? NAR PROBABLY NOT ,THE RULE BOOK IS JUST FOR THE NATS ISNT IT? Wonder why the MA sent me a copy since I have chosen not to do the "Nats " thus far.I should do the right thing a call them ." Hello is that the MA? Yes I am calling to tell you to stop sending me those rule books , actually it was Noddy I mean Brad van borello's idea, you know the guy who wins lots of class's at the "Nats".You dont know him ? Oh well just don't send me those rules because I don't race the Nats I only race in our state series here .Ok ? Thanks have a niceday."
and they all lived happily everafter (in ozvmx forum land)

[09.0]

Nathan, you're at your best when you are splitting hairs. Suspension was the issue with one bike straight up and was the subject of discussion years before. '09 it became official. No one had the balls to do it before that. The microscope has been on the class ever since. To say no one cared till now is 100% wrong, even just in regards to my bike being singled out back in '09 let alone all these types of threads that are heated debates regarding suspension amongst other things. There is no official mention of a 1978 bike that was raced at the same event. It was protested but a specific detail had to be protested eg swing arm and it was disqualified because of that, not because it was a 1978 model bike.
Poor old Brent, you lose sight of the whole discussion and what you are even talking about. The distinction between being laid back at club level as opposed to national level.
You and a fellow Vic talking about a lack of rule nazis at your 'series'. Same as a club day any where else. Yet completely different to a nationals as far as adhering to rules of suspension as well as other little things that are let go at club or 'series' level. Thats it. You need a political thread to really get your teeth into and go round in circles.
 

[Rookie#1]

you guys crack me up ,

Was just thinkin that!! So i'm not currently racing but may do in the future, can someone tell me what sort of prize money is on offer at some of the events in dicussion here?? I'm thinking it must be a lot considering how stressed out some people are getting about rules and regs when it comes to riding some old bikes around for a bit of fun and nostalgia??  I'm pretty handy so maybe i'll even give up work and ride VMX full time, sounds like it could be a living??