Author Topic: Pre 78 Rule changes (Read 46320 times)

09.0 · « **Reply #90 on:** July 10, 2012, 09:54:07 pm »

What about 2010 nationals at conondale? I don't give a toss about the forks, just playing the where does it stop card. I'm sure with all the accusations on here of cheater bikes, mine in particular, was a big reason why there was a major check of 'all' pre '78 bikes.

Nathan S · « **Reply #91 on:** July 10, 2012, 10:02:46 pm »

There's no question what the rules say.
The issue is what they should say.

I think that a stock 1977 model bike should always be legal for the pre-78 class.

JohnnyO · « **Reply #92 on:** July 10, 2012, 10:15:29 pm »

Quote from: Davey Crocket on July 10, 2012, 09:32:40 pm

The thing that gets me is we are only talking (if you call it that) about this on here is because a punter on here who knows better entered a bike with a hired gun on it, got pinged for too much travel and disqualified....his rider was always going to be up the pointy end so why?....his other bike complied....he knew the rules.....it was pointed out on here months before the event and there was 5000 pages on it....but he still did it.....is that stupid or just taking the piss?....the pre 78 class racing was a great specticle to watch and the variety of bikes was like a pre 75 race....awesome...nothing needs to be changed except a few peoples mindsets. I predict in the future that there will be age group racing in pre 78 which is a huge positive for a small sport like ours, preserve what we have, it doesnt cost any extra or very little to make your bike comply, suspension is something you set up just like building your wheels or motor...get on with it....get a life.

Exactly!

worms · « **Reply #93 on:** July 11, 2012, 06:55:50 am »

they are Nathan, the rules were'nt written to delete bikes from the class, they were written to define a specific era. they are saying, to keep these few bikes in this era, which is what we want, lets ( right or wrong) bring them in line with the majority to define the class, and that is reduce your suspension to 9".

it's not that hard, you just have to race to the rules

and I have a YZ400D with a fox airshock fitted that meets the guidelines as I want to race pre78 and not evo on this bike

worms

JohnnyO · « **Reply #94 on:** July 11, 2012, 07:33:26 am »

For those that think our rules suck and the USA does it better, the Historic class(pre '78) rules state suspension travel must be limited to 9" and mentions the '77 Husky, Maico and KTM all must have the std suspension limited to 9" travel!
And also in the UK the class is pre '77 where no 1977 model bikes are allowed, they must race in Twinshock(our Evo)!!
So what's so bad about our pre '78 rules??

09.0 · « **Reply #95 on:** July 11, 2012, 08:15:17 am »

Riding a 77 model in Evo would suck. That's why we only saw one or two early model bikes at fairleigh. The poms got it wrong there. They tend to get things wrong quite a bit. Why the hell would you want to drive on the left side of the road when most drive on the right. Would have made importing cars a hell of a lot easier....

Damn you Poms!

Nathan S · « **Reply #96 on:** July 11, 2012, 08:48:37 am »

Quote from: worms on July 11, 2012, 06:55:50 am

... ( right or wrong) ....

And that's exactly what I was saying when I said "The issue is what they should say".

We need to either get them right or work through the discussion until we're all convinced that they're already right* - the fact that you needed to add the "right or wrong" disclaimer shows that we aren't there yet.

I'm am genuinely amazed at the resistance to changing the rules, particularly on this issue. It's clear that these issues don't go away by saying "the rules are fine, just suck it up", so we're dooming ourselves to having these discussions every three months until we properly address them.

*You'll never please absolutely everyone, but when the rules exclude standard bikes of the era, I doubt you'll ever get a clear majority.

TM BILL · « **Reply #97 on:** July 11, 2012, 08:55:19 am »

Quote from: 090 on July 11, 2012, 08:15:17 am

Riding a 77 model in Evo would suck. That's why we only saw one or two early model bikes at fairleigh. The poms got it wrong there. They tend to get things wrong quite a bit. Why the hell would you want to drive on the left side of the road when most drive on the right. Would have made importing cars a hell of a lot easier.... Damn you Poms!

Why arent you in the shed getting my rides ready for the classic

your tanks in the post today

http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/76-driving-orientation-a-world-map

09.0 · « **Reply #98 on:** July 11, 2012, 09:02:50 am »

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*You'll never please absolutely everyone, but when the rules exclude standard bikes of the era, I doubt you'll ever get a clear majority.

That's the thing. You won't please everybody. The clear majority that competes in pre 78 voted in the numbers that were at the titles.
Again, one guy gets pinged and he wants to then change the rules.
So all the guys that have reversed engineered their bikes to conform to the rules should now remove the restricters? Sure they don't have to but certainly a slap in the face to those that have done the right thing.

Quote from: TM bill on July 11, 2012, 08:55:19 am

Quote from: 090 on July 11, 2012, 08:15:17 am
Riding a 77 model in Evo would suck. That's why we only saw one or two early model bikes at fairleigh. The poms got it wrong there. They tend to get things wrong quite a bit. Why the hell would you want to drive on the left side of the road when most drive on the right. Would have made importing cars a hell of a lot easier.... Damn you Poms!

Why arent you in the shed getting my rides ready for the classic your tanks in the post today

http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/76-driving-orientation-a-world-map

ha you need to keep up with technology Bill. With an iPhone I can post from where ever, including the shed. I'm prepping a real trick mud bug for you as we speak! Thanks for sending the tank off.

worms · « **Reply #99 on:** July 11, 2012, 11:48:34 am »

havent you got a pool you should be working on, Bill can race anything, he dosnt need a race prep bike

worms

Davey Crocket · « **Reply #100 on:** July 11, 2012, 12:48:59 pm »

So do I leave the TS185 Works bike under the house Bill?....or flog it off to old mate?....you got that list of riders for the Conondale Classic yet?

TM BILL · « **Reply #101 on:** July 11, 2012, 03:51:36 pm »

Quote from: Davey Crocket on July 11, 2012, 12:48:59 pm

So do I leave the TS185 Works bike under the house Bill?....or flog it off to old mate?....you got that list of riders for the Conondale Classic yet?

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH dont tell everyone about the works bike

Quote " havent you got a pool you should be working on, Bill can race anything, he dosnt need a race prep bike " Quote

worms

Thanks Trev

Joan you might have to up the anti

dont know what i gotta do to get these Barstards motivated

its not like they dont need the practice

I think they are still licking their wounds after the Dutchie toweled up at the Johnny Old

The Buzzards in negotiations again though so dont write him off yet

get Dodgee on the case building his bike

Is Mutch coming

oldfart · « **Reply #102 on:** July 11, 2012, 04:28:21 pm »

Bill ... Brother "Mutch" ( Graaant ) won't be over this year as he is still nursing a neck injury.

Get your numbers together so we can sort the bikes out.

Slakewell · « **Reply #103 on:** July 11, 2012, 06:47:11 pm »

Not that it matters but I didn't just turn up to the Nats with a long travel bike that I knew was illegal or didn't comply , I just did a bad job of fixing it.
The forks on the bike were border line but once pulled apart did move full travel but again this was my fault by not reading the GCR's on how there measured. So I forked up. To say I didn't try to comply is not correct or just relied on protest is not correct.

09.0 · « **Reply #104 on:** July 11, 2012, 07:30:18 pm »

Fair enough. I apologise for assuming.
So why not sort it like everyone else and be done with it.

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