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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #135 on: October 26, 2011, 10:57:25 am »
The basic idea of free-trade with third world countries is that it will reduce our aid bill, and possibly the number of asylum seekers.

No comment from me on how effective it will be, but that's the idea.

And it fits in with the broader free trade mantra (which is basically that of unfettered capitalism - although I do note that there's been a role reversal between [so-called] lefties and conservatives on this topic).
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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #136 on: October 26, 2011, 11:04:14 am »
they are not protecting the interest of Australian manufacturers first by this move, whether you agree or not!

there is no bigger picture, other than to change focus on poor government.

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #137 on: October 26, 2011, 11:06:42 am »
I'm beginning to wonder if Labour is part of some world wide push for full-on socialism, not just communism at home, but we seem to be giving every thing our fore-fathers have work so hard for, away to any 2 bit country that we can find. If it's by tariff and trade agreements or allowing them to come here willy-nilly.
I got to say that my home country is alot to blame as well as they seem to let even more foreigners in the Oz does and we all know the shit that the UK is in.

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #138 on: October 26, 2011, 11:59:13 am »
I'm beginning to wonder if Labour is part of some world wide push for full-on socialism ....

Free trade is pretty much the opposite of socialism.

In theory, if Labor still held any socialist ideals, they would be part of a worldwide push for socialism.

Be careful of reading American stuff that attempts to vilify socialism - remember that the authors are typically decrying so-called "Socialist" moves like regulating banks and universal healthcare, and lots of other stuff that we take for granted in our (relatively) socialist utopia...

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #139 on: October 26, 2011, 12:28:54 pm »
It's not just industry that is changing but employment as well. The ABC's 7.30 Report had an article on growing casual and contract employment had how it is driving down wages, conditions and job security. The article stated that 40% of Australian workers are effected.

I'll go look for that report  :o..Rings very true big time for the Health industry.
We are going through our EBA at the moment at work.Its such a hard slog.The governement is going to get The Slap soon with Dementia our new epidemic arriving shortly.
Stilll plenty of mining jobs north though.  :-\
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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #140 on: October 26, 2011, 02:17:42 pm »
I'm beginning to wonder if Labour is part of some world wide push for full-on socialism, not just communism at home, but we seem to be giving every thing our fore-fathers have work so hard for, away to any 2 bit country that we can find. If it's by tariff and trade agreements or allowing them to come here willy-nilly.
I got to say that my home country is alot to blame as well as they seem to let even more foreigners in the Oz does and we all know the shit that the UK is in.

Starting to look sus hey ;D
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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #141 on: October 26, 2011, 03:20:16 pm »
Been lookin' suss foe a while now-even to the point that both parties (all parties everywhere) seem to have the same targets in mind.
Are we missing something?

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« Reply #142 on: October 26, 2011, 04:13:28 pm »
In theory, if Labor still held any socialist ideals, they would be part of a worldwide push for socialism.

nah I don't think Jules red roots are showing, she has no more socialist ideals than Red Helen who had NZ adopting UN treaties on anything and everything.

Aunty Helen slid into a very well paying number at the UN on getting slung out of office and I would say Gillard is priming the pump for a future gig with an NGO, maybe UNESCO or the UNCTAD given her sudden concern for the poor nations.... Mother Teresa she is not, she is not giving her housing allowance to starving Africans and there is nothing pure about it.
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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #143 on: October 26, 2011, 05:20:09 pm »
Apparently several years ago Julia was a union organiser along with, one of Barry Humphries other alter ego's, Lance A Boyle at the A.C.U.#.T.
So anything is possible with her, at our expense of course, typical unionist's attitude ;) ;D

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #144 on: October 26, 2011, 06:43:11 pm »
In theory, if Labor still held any socialist ideals, they would be part of a worldwide push for socialism.

nah I don't think Jules red roots are showing, she has no more socialist ideals than Red Helen who had NZ adopting UN treaties on anything and everything.

You are onto something there, wether she gets a post disgraced PM gig at the UN or where ever she is just doing what she is told to do by the people who put her in the top job who in turn are being told what to do by those higher up.

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #145 on: October 26, 2011, 11:26:50 pm »
Motomaniac,

While you're re-reading, try to justify how I'm a whinger, or trying to stifle debate or any of the rest of it. Feel free to quote me.


no problem see below.

"Its a particularly Australian trait to always think that we're incredibly hard done by - we're forever whinging that we don't get paid enough, get taxed too much, work too hard, etc.
If we shut up and had a look at the rest of the world occasionally, we'd realise that we've got very little to complain about.
Hell, Howard's decline in the polls began just after he said that "the average Aussie has never been better off" - he was right, but we didn't want to hear it."

I have no idea how or why  Graeme lets you get away with calling people substance abusers,drunk or mentally comparmised in various ways or why you how you can people collectively and individually to shut the fork up.I'll take my weeks suspension.AS far as you PM to me go's if you are so sensitive to my #80 post which was merely a suggestion for you 3 since you had just finished patting each other on the back for telling us all the shut up and stop whinging ,I thought it only natural and a good idea that you could pool your collective talents and move outside our little forum to take your success and self gratitude to even bigger and better explosive heights.Those whinging OWS bums was just such an obvious choice.
post #87 That also offended you was a question ,all you had to do was answer it.How offensive!!! Did someone say harden the fork up??

Go for it Graeme .I'm done with this child.

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #146 on: October 27, 2011, 10:37:38 am »
Its a particularly Australian trait to always think that we're incredibly hard done by - we're forever whinging that we don't get paid enough, get taxed too much, work too hard, etc.
If we shut up and had a look at the rest of the world occasionally, we'd realise that we've got very little to complain about.
Hell, Howard's decline in the polls began just after he said that "the average Aussie has never been better off" - he was right, but we didn't want to hear it.

Nathan, you are a very brave man. Haven't you learnt that telling the truth will only get you into trouble - everybody wants to blame somebody else for their perceived problems - can't have individual responsibility now can we. That would be Un-Australian.

I can see why you aren't in politics, the incumbents wouldn't know what to make of you. Probably think you were some kind of alien or something.  ;D

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Dear Motomaniac,
I have been casually watching this thread and it seems that my opinion has ruffled your feathers and because of that I am now one of the demonised "you 3". As for "patting each other on the back", you confused this with Firko and I simply agreeing with the premise that Aussies like a good whinge. Now it is obvious that this is something you passionately disagree with [as is your right], but conversely, I genuinely believe that we have become a nation of whingers who prefer to demand that others solve our problems for us [ie. Lack of personal responsibility].

Just take a look at what passes for political debate in this country. We should change our national anthem to ‘What About Me’. It is our lazy, whinging, self absorbed, narrow minded electorate that has allowed the political parties to treat us like fools for their own ends. For example, sure Gillard lied and her lie should count against her, but instead it is used as THE SOLE convincing reason that climate change is a fallacy. Now I am not trying to drag up a debate on climate change, I am only trying to point out that Gillards lie and the veracity of the climate change debate are TWO SEPARATE THINGS that shouldn’t be confused. But instead of treating them as separate – one as an indicator of an individuals character – and the other as a potential threat to human life on the planet – we have allowed ourselves to be manipulated by vested interests and narrow political agendas into ‘playing the [wo]man not the ball’. There is no room for a moral stance in any debate, it only comes down to Dollars and Cents and our ability to fund our lifestyles.

We are the most educated people ever to walk the face of the planet and yet we seem determined to chart our destiny based on a willingness to accept cynical political and corporate spin, cheap 3 world policy [Big New Tax] statements and cheap, petty personality contests that masquerade as substance. We need to stand up and accept that politicians don’t always have our best interests at heart, we need to call them out to give us real detail about their policies. We also need to stop being so easily distracted by rediculous claims and counter claims, none of which actually change the facts of a given issue. We need to take some responsibility and not simply bounce from one political party to the other simply because we can’t be bothered to take the time to look at what is good for the country and not just ourselves.

Our tendency towards apathy makes for a laid back country that is great to live in, but it also allows us to be taken advantage of by those who seek power for the wrong reasons. We currently seem to act more like sheep, than humans. Changing our minds at the drop of a hat and allowing ourselves to be played as fools. We have a great country, probably the best country in the world, if we want it to be that way for our grandkids I suggest we stand up, take some personal responsibility and ask what is best for all Australians and stop squealing like stuck pigs when things don’t go perfectly.

We complain about loss of aussie manufacturing, but we won’t ‘Buy Australian’. Two bob each way… as usual.

VMX42




*Please note I never named any individual, nor am I talking about any specific individual – my comments are generalisations [offensive and challenging as that is to some]  – I don’t expect to be agreed with, I have never cared about that at all. But also note, that although some of the language might have been a bit strong, I have not stooped to personal attacks. Also, by using Gillard and climate change as an example please don’t assume you know my political leaning – I have voted for both the Libs and Labour [and probably the Libs more often] but I don’t vote for the party name, I vote for what I believe is in the best interests of ALL Australians. I have never had my vote bought, nor have I ever been swayed by shallow political enticements. But is is true I think Tony Abbott is an embarrassment to himself, his party and the country and that Julia has an enormous butt.  :D
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When a woman says "What?", it's not because she didn't hear you, she's giving you the chance to chance to change what you said.

Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here…

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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #147 on: October 27, 2011, 01:10:41 pm »

We are the most educated people ever to walk the face of the planet .
Debateable , see link below  ;D ;D ;D


 Julia has an enormous butt.
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Re: The demise of manufacturing in Australia
« Reply #148 on: October 27, 2011, 07:15:20 pm »
That is probably your most incisive post yet Walter. I hope you are wrong…



I hope you don't mean that I have been programmed to think that Julia has a huge butt? But no programming can hide Mr Abbotts dubious personal traits.


...and thanks for noticing my politness. I hope Motomaniac approves.
When a woman says "What?", it's not because she didn't hear you, she's giving you the chance to chance to change what you said.

Beam me up Scotty, no intelligent life down here…

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« Reply #149 on: October 27, 2011, 08:59:32 pm »

Dear Motomaniac,
I have been casually watching this thread and it seems that my opinion has ruffled your feathers and because of that I am now one of the demonised "you 3". As for "patting each other on the back", you confused this with Firko and I simply agreeing with the premise that Aussies like a good whinge. Now it is obvious that this is something you passionately disagree with [as is your right], but conversely, I genuinely believe that we have become a nation of whingers who prefer to demand that others solve our problems for us [ie. Lack of personal responsibility].

Just take a look at what passes for political debate in this country. We should change are national anthem to ‘What About Me’. It is our lazy, whinging, self absorbed, narrow minded electorate that has allowed the political parties to treat us like fools for their own ends. For example, sure Gillard lied and her lie should count against her, but instead it is used as THE SOLE convincing reason that climate change is a fallacy. Now I am not trying to drag up a debate on climate change, I am only trying to point out that Gillards lie and the veracity of the climate change debate are TWO SEPARATE THINGS that shouldn’t be confused. But instead of treating them as separate – one as an indicator of an individuals character – and the other as a potential threat to human life on the planet – we have allowed ourselves to be manipulated by vested interests and narrow political agendas into ‘playing the [wo]man not the ball’.

We are the most educated people ever to walk the face of the planet and yet we seem determined to chart our destiny based on a willingness to accept cynical political-corporate-media spin, cheap 3 world policy statements and cheap, petty personality contests that masquerade as substance. We need to stand up and accept that politicians don’t always have our best interests at heart, we need to call them out to give us real detail about their policies. We also need to stop being so easily distracted by claims and counter claims, neither of which actually change the facts of a given issue. We need to take some responsibility and not simply bounce from one political party to the other simply because we can’t be bothered to take the time to look at what is good for the country and not just ourselves.

Our tendency towards apathy makes for a laid back country that is great to live in, but it also allows us to be taken advantage of by those who seek power for the wrong reasons. We currently seem to act more like sheep, than humans. Changing our minds at the drop of a hat and allowing ourselves to be played as fools. We have a great country, probably the best country in the world, if we want it to be that way for our grandkids I suggest we stand up, take some personal responsibility and ask what is best for all Australians and stop squealing like stuck pigs when things don’t go perfectly.

We complain about loss of aussie manufacturing, but we won’t ‘Buy Australian’. Two bob each way… as usual.

VMX42

I think the world we leave our grandchildren is a world wide problem and not just an Australian problem. I think most of the faults of society you have listed are faults most of the world would attribute to their societies - it's all by degrees.

Undoubtedly Australia is the Lucky Country and probably remains such for a good while but our problems and solutions are inexorably linked to the rest of the world and their probs. Welcome to the Global Village and the Brave New World :-\.