Pre 90/Pre 95 in Classic MX. An idea whose time has come?

[vmx42]

Having been entrenched in a number these drawn out philosophical discussions with Nathan in the past I've come to the conclusion that no matter what your opinion is on the particular subject is, if it's different to Nathans he'll keep hammering post after post to try and convince us poor bastards that he's right and that none of us are 'sensible' enough to see it. One by one everyone usually drops off the discussion, worn down by his bull terrier persistence and need to convince us that he's right.

I feel drained after one of these sessions, hence my early surrender in this particular debate. I feel like I've surrendered to the enemy to end the war.

If you are feeling a bit tuckered out I probably shouldn't mention: Dutch Twinshockers?  Mining Tax?  The federal election or Titanium then?
Just checking…  

[vmx42]

Ha ha, i noticed that too, when i was reading the mag 10mins ago i saw that Husky and i was thinking that cant be pre 85 model but then i was also asking my self if there is a cut off at CD or not?. It didnt bother me though.

That's 100% my fault. I liked the shot - simple as that - no political agenda in mind! 




_{You try wading through 3000 photos of CD7 and see what you choose.}

[vmx42]

Yes I noticed that too , if that is the future .... , well thats VMX s choice ......maybe they are right  and maybe they are wrong ... if it sells more copies in the long run  , then they are right . And if all the true VMX supportes still travel to CD littered with waterbottles  , well then they are definitely right .

Now who is not listening!!!!!!!!!!! I just liked the photo!!!!!!!!!!!!! No committees involved, no political, or hidden agenda, I just liked the shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't read anything more into it, for goodness sake. 

















_{Seriously, can we not run with this line of comment any further.} 

[suzuki27]

IMO, on the basis of what I have read, absorbed,been beaten about the head with and politely asked, I think the TIME HAS COME to give these pre-90 heretics a go. Simple because they will not go away.
A well ridden TT500 will beat most new bike(post 90 etc) punters around a dirt track, but the same is albeit impossible around an MX track (vintage friendly or not). If we are talking about Vintage Motocross then the Classes need to be more development/era restricted to "level the playing field" and probably more important is the creation of age groups for pre-85,Evo,etc. I think this would get a few more to the races - if the 48yr old doesn't have to race the 18yr old in pre-85 etc.
What is vintage? We don't need the "Dutch Twin Shockers" etc, but "progress " shouldn't just be for the sake of it .

I own bikes from 74 to 08 and love them all but the changes from 65 to 85 were monumental; links ,discs and watercooling had arrived! After 85-90 they all tend to lookalike.
If punters cannot relate to what makes the current VMX guidelines so popular then they can't be helped.

[Evil Rudy]

To add to the grassy knoll theory of the post 84 bikes taking large colour portions of the CD7 story,  let me interject this (if it’s already been brought up please pardon me as I can’t bear to go through the pages to check);

Is it the thin end of the wedge as far as pre 90 making its debut at CD8? Is it worse that the photos were printed in a “V”-mx magazine or that they were allowed to break a sacred rule and participate in the first place (no participation, no possible photos)?

Is it a question of “don’t ask, don’t tell” for this model creep?

Hmmmmmmmmm... intrigued minds want to know.

As for the rest of it... if you want free porn and prawns on Thursdays, throw a coup in your local club and see if anyone shows up. The rest is verbal masturbation.

Wakey wakey, hands off snakey.

Cuddles,
ER

[worms]

the sport is not ready or need pre90 or pre95, yes to any club adding it if their memmbers choose to, but to say anything other is waisting your breath, It must start at root levels and build from there,

oh i can hear Nathan, but why.

because thats how it will happen! "due process" it's called.

Cheers Worms

[worms]

love your work Evil! a true wordsmith if there ever was one!

Cheers Worms

[Nathan S]

I note, with a great deal of amusement, the three full page picturess of 86+ bikes in the current issue of VMX.

Nathan,
I never realised you were so easily amused. 3.57% coverage in one issue doesn't really add much to your case.

Oh lordy yes - I am easily amused!
After all the venom and the vitriole, I can only assume that CD7 did actually cause a significant riff in the time-space continum - it really is amazing that people could possibly enjoy themselves when those stinking pre-90 bikes were there... What's that you say Skippy? It doesn't really matter?

Or are people going to boycott CD8 en masse?

And being a stubborn prick is one of my more endearing traits.
Seriously, the pre-90 discussion typically gets badly side tracked and I thought it was time to play hard - to keep shooting down the silly, baseless and/or illogical arguments.




 

[worms]

your a nutter mate! and I pitty any club you may be involved with.

Cheers Trev

[GMC]

Looks like one of those topics that just goes on & on.
Nathan as usual uses a lot of good logic in his posts and ideas that are sometimes hard to argue with.
I believe Nathan may actually be from the planet Vulcan.
At the very least he’s from another planet anyway.
At first a lot of the replies seemed to border along the lines of “but this amp goes up to eleven” which just goes to drag this whole thing out.
Good to see some good debate going on now.
Vintage, Classic or Retro, whatever you want to call it is based on logic and emotion. We’re into it for the emotion and the logic helps set the guidelines.

While Graeme has a very good idea about building for the future, as in planning it before it happens I think that it works the other way around.
MA didn’t make vintage rules and then people started using them.
It started by having vintage meetings first and then MA built the rules as recommended by the pioneers.
We could make a good set of rules for the future only to be ignored because the people want something else.

I can understand post 90 classes happening at some point, although I think most that would be into it haven’t started their mid life crisis yet.
And I agree with the point that post 90 should be catered for by being added to modern club days.
I find it hard to believe that a club day in NSW is so busy that they couldn’t fit something in. I know my own club would have no problem catering for it if I so desired. All I would need to do is attract enough riders to make the class.

In answer to the original question…
Pre 90/Pre 95 in Classic MX. An idea whose time has come?
I believe Pre 90’s time has come.
While I am in favour of Pre 90 I don’t believe we should have Pre90 & Pre75 on the same track on the same day.

As for Pre 95, I believe its still something for the future.


As for VMX Mag being watered down with Pre 90 I know that Ray used one of my shots of Dacky on an 85 YZ in No 19.
I think Ray just liked the shot too and it flew under the radar because people weren’t looking so hard to bitch.
He also used a shot of Wards 85 bike in an article too somewhere.

[Nathan S]

your a nutter mate! and I pitty any club you may be involved with.

Cheers Trev

Right back at ya, big fella.

[worms]

one of your shortest replies ever, wonder if it will catch on?

hey' isnt it past your bed time

Cheers Trev

[TM BILL]

your a nutter mate! and I pitty any club you may be involved with.

Cheers Trev

Lets not make this personal  

Nathans alright   i think he has bikes ranging from pre 70 to 200? , he rides em all and doesn't need a million dollar show pony to enjoy the sport.

This is a forum and if Nathan wishes to push his point thats his right , I dont agree with his views on this matter but i do respect him as a passionete VMXer and good bastard  

Now lets play nicely  

[Rossvickicampbell]

Jeff - mining tax..............................ready to go again eh!!!!    Count me in 

[AjayVMX]

TM Bill, No. 

We will ignore this crap...



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