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Title: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: dave on July 21, 2009, 09:33:16 pm: Yep that's right and looks like a nice one! Someone snap it up and look after it before some genius buys it for a bush basher.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140334672786&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&salenotsupported#ebayphotohosting
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: cyclegod on July 21, 2009, 09:56:50 pm: Quote from: dave on July 21, 2009, 09:33:16 pm
Someone snap it up and look after it before some genius buys it for a bush basher.

Or, god forbid, someone tells the seller what it could really be worth :o ???
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: JohnnyO on July 21, 2009, 10:05:50 pm: I'll bet that auction doesn't make it to the end, someone will make him an offer to end it early.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: mx250 on July 21, 2009, 10:08:42 pm: The seller describes it as a "rare find" so there's a pretty good chance that he knows the value. It will be interesting though.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: oldyzman on July 21, 2009, 10:17:32 pm: Hey guys,
Is that a YZ 250 or Mx and is it more valuable than a Yz250A...
Brett
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 21, 2009, 10:24:36 pm: looks like a YZB but then I am not that familiar with the MX???
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Viper79 on July 21, 2009, 10:28:22 pm: It's already out of control, it's been listed just on an hour and there's already bids in $350.00 increases ???
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: JohnnyO on July 21, 2009, 10:40:34 pm: I don't think he really knows what he's got, he calls it a 73 MX250 when it's a 74 YZ250b.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: AjayVMX on July 21, 2009, 10:53:50 pm: Hell, I am not a Yamaha man, nor do I ride anymore, but for that price I may have to bid.... ;)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 22, 2009, 12:08:38 am: Why do these things turn up down the road only for it to be too late for a drive. will report back at first light .....
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: jimg1au on July 22, 2009, 12:29:48 am: i have already emailed befor you lot got a look in and he wont sell at a buy now price as he claims he dosent know what it is worth.its a 1975 yz250b checked on speed and sport web page
cheers
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: jimg1au on July 22, 2009, 12:31:00 am: here is his reply

Dear jimg1au,

Hi there Jim, I have no idea what its worth and what a buy it now price would be, so that's why I have put it up for auction, cheers, Andy

- valley4666
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 22, 2009, 02:11:37 am: 1974 in Australia - 75 model in the States Jim.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: dave on July 22, 2009, 06:51:28 am: Who's gonna stick their necks out and have a guess at the final bit price? At 7am it's hit $930! Well how much??????
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Nathan S on July 22, 2009, 08:01:25 am: At $930 with six and a half days to go, at least the guys that want it for a bush-basher have been burned off.

No doubt it will go for a lot more than most of us are willing to pay, but at least it will get looked after now.

My guess is that the final saleprice will be $5k~$6k, (although I seem to be wrong more often than right lately). Anyone want to bet against me?
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: mx250 on July 22, 2009, 08:15:58 am: Quote from: Nathan S on July 22, 2009, 08:01:25 am
My guess is that the final saleprice will be $5k~$6k, (although I seem to be wrong more often than right lately). Anyone want to bet against me?
You're probably right although I think the upper price for a 'poor but complete and unrestored' should be $4000. I think the frenzy of Ebay will get it to $5000. An excellent restored one should get $10,000+ and it would be easy to put $4-5000 into a NOS resto.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Marc.com on July 22, 2009, 02:13:45 pm: Quote from: mx250 on July 22, 2009, 08:15:58 am
I think the upper price for a 'poor but complete and unrestored' should be $4000. I think the frenzy of Ebay will get it to $5000. An excellent restored one should get $10,000+ and it would be easy to put $4-5000 into a NOS resto.

normally a POS ratty heap will sell for $5000 and a mint one will sell for $5500, people love a doer upper.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 22, 2009, 03:25:29 pm: fortunately parts are readily available for this model...........................or maybe I should say they are rare as hens teeth so you won't bid against me ;)

Rossco
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: albrid-3 on July 22, 2009, 09:31:15 pm: I keep telling a lot of you fellows, thE B model Yamaha where on sale in the show room floor at Pitmans Yamaha S.A.In 1974 and Dave Basham was racing them at easter time 1974, l was their racing at the S.A Titles, and Pitman viewing the YZ 250 /360 B.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Davey Crocket on July 22, 2009, 10:21:11 pm: It will be interesting to see what it goes for, Im doing one at the moment and crank and barrel rebuilds (chrome bore will be cactus, best to put a sleeve in it) will be the best part of $1500 . The correct clutch actuating cable cover will probably cost $250 to $350 ,if you can find one , theres a good chance the gearbox will need work as well ( fragile gearbox in YZAs and Bs) wheels $1000 ect, ect. A good resto on one of these would cost $8 to $10k easily. I paid $350 for mine about 6 years ago.I reckon $1500 tops but its already at $1600 so let the fools keep on bidding. These bikes are worth more parted out. They are too heavy compaired to pre 75 twinshocks and not competitive in pre 78.They are still an awsome bike though and im building mine as a pre 78 racer with a trick monoshock. Cheers John.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: dave on July 22, 2009, 10:26:22 pm: It's already gone over 2K!! ;)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 23, 2009, 12:24:48 am: Davey - no where near as bad as that. Recently finished a 360 - motor and gearbox $1500 complete - sleeve, pistons, rod, bearings, undercut gears etc etc etc. Clutch actuating cable is available off later models (want a race bike or garage queen) - Clutch push lever assembly $100. Rims, spokes etc - SM Pro around $700 - depends on where you go. As to not being a very good pre 75 bike - I think you are 100% wrong there! Parts are readily available and not expensive either. I know of 360's going for around $10-$13K as there were only 1459 360s made and 2759 250s made - if a Honda CR250M can pull $4 to $5K then this should at least make the same.

Rossco
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: basil44 on July 23, 2009, 07:43:35 am: Hey Rosco, are you putting tyres, tubes bearings ect on those $700 wheels? ;D I dont want to sound negative at all but every properly restored bike is gunna cost big $. You wont see many 3K clunkers at the front of any race,as for the $100 clutch actuating cover Ill have half a dozen (now the ebayers will post up 10) I race YZAs and next year my B ( complete with some trick OW forks ect).The B model weighs approx 12? kgs more than the As and when you have to restrict the monoshock to 4 inches travel it dont work to good thats why we have gone the pre 78 way with more travel. It would be good to catch up with you at the nats if your there,Im number 88.Cheers John.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: mx250 on July 23, 2009, 08:52:17 am: Quote from: basil44 on July 23, 2009, 07:43:35 am
...... and when you have to restrict the monoshock to 4 inches travel .......i
Gee that's crap. When one of the most significant models of all time is reduced in competitiveness due to rules ::).

(And now the rules also effect market value :P :-[)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 12:50:21 pm: OKay i have seen this bike.

I went over to have a look the other night. what you dont see in the pictures is alot. :'(

I took over a fist full of cash as was ready to deal, then as we kept haggling i noticed more and more. Im now of the opinion this bike is worth no more than $3k, and that is generous based on the price of the tank, rear wheel, left case and barrel and whats left of the orignal internals. Any more $ is just pure emotional content by the bidder.

The rest of the bike is held together with fencing wire and mostly bent broken parts including, but not limited to gutter bolts.

IF it was a 'A' model it would be worth more to me cause in my opinion a twin shock is easier to sort out, the fact this one had no more than a sping and no shock instill's even more doubt in my mind that it couldnt be refreshed without lotsa time and money, and then would owe you more than you could sell it for.

TO get $10K back it would have to be NOS NOS NOS. why cause you can get them still race ready for far less, and this one unless you replaced absolutley every think wouldnt even make nos and you would still be behind. MY gut feel is a fringe retirery will buy it thinking its an easy restore and his mates told him they go for heaps fixed up.

Here is a list of the most immiediate things i noticed and why i didnt push any harder, and in the end was happy to walk away.

For what its worth he has already been offerred $3500, but dont waste your time cause pushing as he is going to let the auction run.

IF you want to bid i strongly suggest you leave it to the last hour so you dont artificially pump up the Value during the week and im subtley saying here increase the oppertunity for dodgey bids. he did discuss his sale plans with me, after i stopped/dropped my interest.

any how things you might not notice in the photo's and should know when your deciding what its worth are. There are a lot of fixes and get runnings with bush mechanic here so take note as a min:

- Complete Front wheel is out of a DT or similar steel with the speedo drive
- Sliders are YZ but i couldnt see the taper on the tops so the inners may be other, one sticks like it has a bent rod so too
- somthing strange with the Tripples too they may be steel and the top plate looks lit it has a speedo mount so it may be part of that Dt repair
- handle bars, controls and cables are all totally rooted. BArs bend in on both sides alot ( like a choper ( she has taken lotsa hits) levers are all sorts and are bend, jammed or rooted, so too are the cables.
- Although Tank has correct strap its got a few knee dent and wouldnt come off with out a fight, supect twist in frame mounts.
- Frame has many rewelds by home welder, not limited to repairs or insergence to engine mounts, braces etc
- Previous home handy man also welding in 2 rear foot pegs plates into the rear arm and i say into. Also had a go and welded a side stand onto it.
- seat is just a peice of foam with about 3 rolls of black tape run around it to make a cover of sorts
- rear and front gaurds powder, cracked, rear is not correct and is zipped tied just under rail, front is just broken shit.
- rear hub is original. As in not matching the front Dt wheel
- There is no innner lining to the gaurd or airbox area it has a piecs of white plastic stopping the mud going up under the frame/seat
- Exhaust, well other than it oozing some kind of black tar along it lenght i suspect its cracked or split in a few places
- Electrics, well they seem to start at some point and end at another, my guess is its off somthing else as it patched all over the shop and the colours are wrong as the twisted mass comes out the stator cover also the Cdi usually on the front i couldnt find anywhere so you guess is as good as mine what the entire electrics is off.
- We couldn't get the bike to start, appart from the fact the kick start ( may also be off somthign else), kept falling off and was held on by more fencing wire it didnt feel that strong. im guesing all the shit onthe exhast is the chome bore deteriating and now the piston gap is so big the oil is just blowing by probally has for the last 6 years or so by the look of it.
- couldnt check the box as the selctor spin on the shaft, suspect one of both sets of teeth are stripped, cases have differant bolts including those Roof course thread gutter bolts, so im guessing its been apart, and if not those threads would all need helicoils, unless they are jamm in and split/crack held in
the clutch actuator cover is a broken Dt1, cracked and snapped off, had a chain through it, the engine was too oily and dirty for me to see if that had taken out any of the left case area, but to do what it has its likley. the cover and acutator isnt working so there is some money there.
- for some reason the right hand case looks differant to the left and not what i remeberr on my yz so its possible that one case is a Dt or similar fixer up, which then leads me to what clutch basket it has and what internals are still YZ in there. this guy wouldnt know, and i dint want to undo those interesting bolts to find out
- barrel and head are right but im prity confident you would need to put a new steel liner in, plus based on a the maintenace level of everything else and condition a full rod kit and bearing sets throughout the whole motor.

I could go on but i think you get my drift.

I have looked at 2 other B and and A recently and was taking arounfd the $5K and they were Race ready and then some, also that silver /black MAico in Syd that was on a few weeks back for $5.5 makes this look like a joke.

Im agreeing with MArcx or whowever it was up higher posting, for the same money you would get a much better bike and with less head forks. this bike is NOT any good for a resto unless for some mental reason must have a "B" in the first place and then just the cases and frame need to match cause thats about all you could salvage there. YOu would have to buy new or replace prity much everything :'(

Ive have been sleeping on this, going through it and for the life of me still cant see any value in anythign other than the tank, rear wheel, fork sliders and what can be salvage within the motor. I bought a fully rebuilt worked YZ 360 motor last week from the states for $1500Au, so i cant see the value is whats left even if i put $1000 on that plonker motor, the rest of the bits just dont add up to the balance of even $2.5 - 3K.

If this thing keeps going up any further from what i see is just pure emotional and some need for folks to say they own somthing or think collecting a set gets cred.. There is no tangible reason otherwise.

BAsically There are too many other good bikes out there in the $5K mark available right now, that are so much better value.

IF you have bid stop and think, even retract and have a go in the last hour, your just overinflating the worth, which is detrimental to every other one that comes up because they will all use this as some stupid Ebay referance ( my mate says it worth $10 cause one sold on ebay once) Stuff is only worth what someone is willing to pay, but think about what you are paying for and why are you paying that.

I cant be sure but i think this frame came up over 18 month ago on ebay i think from from murray bridge then disappeared of the radar, at the time i remember adam Scard going through all the wierd things but i cant find the thread ( could have been back in the turk period) which is why i thinking that right case is Dt1 cause that one had som weird thing going on with that and the frame under the tank where the top shock mount is. But im really only going on memory and a DeJa Vu here.

I give this one 3 roaches, based on the other ones i have physically seen in the last 3 months.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: All Things 414 on July 23, 2009, 12:56:20 pm: There's no pleasing some people....... ::)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 01:13:46 pm: NA 414, ive had my share of disappointments and wish i only Knew's.

This thing needs more parts sourced than it actually has ??? if thats comment makes any sence. ( too spend more than it has ? ) yopu get my drift

IF i paid good money for that bike and transported interstate and then saw that on my door step, without knowing up front, i would be shattered. How do i know that ? i had a YZA motor send over and when it turned up it had a DT Clutch and right hand case ? WTF - i was devistated and the seller just said, i dont know whats inside, and you never asked. ....raped :-X

Trust me if you had this turn up after putting out good Coin with the expectaion it was a barn find, you would be hiding it from not only you misses but telling your mates you bought it in a garge sale for a Grand.

for warned is for told.

ps.... stop pushing the price up you pricks, i got onto a fella with a few frames and your killing me, he now thinks he can see jesus in the weld's or somthing as he keeps thinking there worth the price of a Jesus toast, water stained wood or a mother teresa potato Chip. ::)

Quit it ! >:(
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: VMX247 on July 23, 2009, 01:28:45 pm: Freaky I'm still lookin for you over here too...but I can't fight the wolves off forever..an owner is buying British, so he might sell off one of these Yammie bikes..
cheers
ps:beware I have a voodoo doll rossco & tossa
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 23, 2009, 01:30:27 pm: Basil - yep shall be at the Nats - #34. I say again - I restoed the 360 and didn't find it that bad - Things like 91-2000 YZ250 rods fit (think that was about right) - yes of course tyres on top but SM Pro rims aren't that expensive(also do you always need rims - I replaced 1). Gearboxes - what bikes from that era have strong boxes (and now there will probably be heaps come out >:() but I only had to undercut mine. It didn't cost me anymore than a repair on my CR250 when the main bearing let go. They shouldn't be made out to be difficult. In fact I dont think there are too many out there parted out because there were so few of them and people kept them together. If we are talking clutch cables ie to the handlebar :-\ I can lay my hands on 25 of them as we speak for between $35 and $50USD. Hardest part I found to get was the clutch push lever but even so they turn up but are expensive. I dont think they are heavy and by geez they go and handle compared to what I have had before - they have a reputation for being a good bike and I think they deserve it!

Freaky thanks for the feedback on the visit - much appreciated - I have stopped bidding now.

cheers
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 23, 2009, 01:32:53 pm: Allison - you won't get the one you are thinking of......................believe me!
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 02:19:11 pm: Alison would he go for a B44 victor in a swap ?

Not saying you should stop Ross, but retract your bids so the price drops back down, then have a fresh look an hour before, kill the expectations off, and if its of interest on the last day then bid if you feel like it.

Retract retract retract -- i want to see the look on his face if it starts going backwards :D

go on do it !
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: mx250 on July 23, 2009, 02:25:07 pm: A good report Freaky (even if is wasn't in the bidding ::)). Sounds like a bike you wouldn't want to touch no matter how rare. Maybe as a 'sense of duty/history' resto starting as a $500 'gift'.

It shows the pitfalls of Ebay - a less than frank seller ::), some dodgy photos :-X and optimistic trusting buyers :-\. I think it will end in tears, I wonder what the price will end as.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: paul on July 23, 2009, 02:33:04 pm: i bid the first 900 and that was it for me lol i did nt even want it, but hey i would of sold the bits
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: VMX247 on July 23, 2009, 02:37:39 pm: Quote:Alison would he go for a B44 victor in a swap ?

Ive emailed and asked, it better be a good'n :P
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 02:51:50 pm: I know nothing about them its a old british bike like my uncle had in the UK. how would i know whats good or bad, out of my marques.

To be fair on the zinger Graeme, he seems a nice guy, he just put up what he had, i looked back on those fotos tho just then and he is lucky they are good angles, you cant see the engine, kickstart all the other shit etc at all or easy or even the front end, if you saw the hub from the other side you say WTF, as to the rear pillion pegs welded on the swingar, the stand, rewelds etc etc

Sometimes nice wide shots are better than lots of good clear ones, it allows your buyers imagination to wonder, ( funny he didnt use his 10 free shots in the listing hey ? ) , i think he is playing this smart, you get to bid on what you see, and you wont see much .......

my vote is on an old guy interstate buys it thinking its a barn find and easy resto. I put a beer on a wood duck fitting that profile at $4k, then after spending another $2k relists in 12months or is sold on as too hard for less than he actaully spent to quit it.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 23, 2009, 03:16:24 pm: Allison -I see you chose to ignore the warning ;D ;D ;D

He already has British and you won't get between him and the YZ for love nor money! ::) I hope! :D
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: RED ALERT on July 23, 2009, 03:20:40 pm: Hey, you guys aren't talkin about me are ya???? ::)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: VMX247 on July 23, 2009, 03:24:14 pm: Quote from: RED ALERT on July 23, 2009, 03:20:40 pm
Hey, you guys aren't talkin about me are ya???? ::)

Yes we are.! but I knew you would find us :D

Never any harm is asking ;D 8)
cheers
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: RED ALERT on July 23, 2009, 03:30:21 pm: Haha, Rossco is right. Freaky, if I had a shed full of them I'd gladly sell one to a good home.
But I'm afraid I only have the one and I plan to be buried with it, Egyptian style. ;D ;D
Actually a decent 360B just changed hands over here in the last month or so, and the
new owner has a 250B already!!
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 03:57:37 pm: Id prefer the 'A' if i can find one , even just the frAME, i have a few 431 motors already and a trick 432, but would be nice to slip them into a frame for a run on the mx track proper. I was hoping thiws one was going to have the outside stuff to just slip in one, but alas i have enough parts bikes parked in the corner awaiting getting closer to the door.....

keep me posted red if you hear of one coming around, happy to pay what its worth, i have come across a few lately but there either just price shopping me, they have issues or even after agreeing to sell - on dont get back to you. So they sit for another 5 years till they die.

Alas i hate dealing with enthusiats its like hearding cats............
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: albrid-3 on July 23, 2009, 06:05:54 pm: I have a very nice CZ 250 come on sale next week, and you can get lots and lots of parts for these babies, when you ever need them.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: paul on July 23, 2009, 06:15:40 pm: man this yz sound rooted ive been caught once or twice by the interstate ebay photo thing were you carnt inspect a bike in the flesh ,(retract your bids quick)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: mx250 on July 23, 2009, 06:26:16 pm: Quote from: PAUL on July 23, 2009, 06:15:40 pm
(retract your bids quick)
Freaky's counting on it ;) ;D
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: dave on July 23, 2009, 06:33:57 pm: Why not ask the seller to send you some pic's if your super keen. I sure if I was selling it and getting those kinds of bids I would send or post some if it was a genuine seller! Especially if your buyer is interstate!!!
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 06:59:36 pm: if it wasnt late when i looked at it i wold have taken some. although pics dont do it justice, its a differant thing in the flesh.

MX250 i retracted mine which was at $902. didnt make any differance but did drop the bid count. actually notice its gone from 23 bids done to 20 so a few more have come off.

im now getting curious as to making it go backwards........ that would be a fun game to play ;D
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 07:04:48 pm: by the way anyone got a copy of this mag ,and can you scan the Dt1 article.....

ive read it so i must have it, but be buggered if i can find it

mx250 you'd have it right > as per the hallman project ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370232066336
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Nathan S on July 23, 2009, 07:50:09 pm: That article is on the web somewhere - there was a link to it posted on these forums (maybe the old version).
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: holeshot buddy on July 23, 2009, 08:38:24 pm: freaky you should sell me one of your 431 motors for my 360a ;D ;D
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 23, 2009, 09:01:35 pm: no you want a 432 motor, there still out there i just picked up a rebuilt trick one from the states, and have a heads up on another. But i cant find the frames. And i dont want to do any more Dt frames with em. I"ll give you $2500 for your 360 roller sight unseen. :)

if you wanna cut cost and run a 250 just get a 431 bottom end (or even try a dt1 end) and run a dt2mx barrell, been getting success with that combo, seem to be a better on the track and less HF with teh chrome rings ;) easy to tidy up ports and flow too, someone smarter could tell you why.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/P1010001.jpg)

Cut down a Dt1 sprocket cover, same thing but gets you over the Scruitineering thing with ya fingers and 10th of the price.

Pvl and a new mukuni and seemingly become bullet proof, if you keep the air clean

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/DSCF0057.jpg)

i may have a spare DT2mx that i just ran out of bores on, and i meet a guy with a 360 chrome to sell but i think he wanted too much which is why he still has it. Ill keep my eye out for a bottom. start to look for a rod kit and bearings now so you have them ready when one turns up, do that and like all yams should go for another 30 years without being opened again ;)
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Marc.com on July 24, 2009, 07:26:26 am: you can easily drop 5 grand into that resto..... and still have less than nice one.

plus the current market is on the buyers side, I would wait until you had the 8 grand in your hand and go shopping. A LOT of bikes will become available over the next year or two for much less.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: mx250 on July 24, 2009, 09:06:21 am: WARNING, WARNING. Thread hijack in process ;) ;D

Quote from: marcFX on July 24, 2009, 07:26:26 am
A LOT of bikes will become available over the next year or two for much less.
I agree with the first statement that complete running restored or race bikes tend to be best value, even if in dollar terms more is paid, but what makes you think VMX'er are gonna take a dive?

I think prices have remained resilient and the economic prospects seem to be improving. I know that prices move slowly up or down after economic truth hits but why do you think prices might head south.
Title: Re: YZ250B 1974 for sale on eBay!
Post by: Freakshow on July 24, 2009, 12:37:51 pm: And some point the next gen wont be interested in ould plonkers, at some point i think some older MX wont bpull the doh.

At some point you would have seen old english and pre70 iron level out and as per the pre65 thread they kind of went south as interest left them behind, unless you have a use or place to ride somthing then market forces say interest falls and only the strong value/condition units will hold value.
PLus this generation has less interest in them, and so to would the "y" with the pre 75.
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Post by: Marc.com on July 24, 2009, 04:02:43 pm: Quote from: Freakshow on July 24, 2009, 12:37:51 pm
And some point the next gen wont be interested in ould plonkers, at some point i think some older MX wont bpull the doh.

I tend to agree with Freakshows points, well apart from the spelling ;D

Plus I am negative about the economy still, I am with Warren Buffett, the real recession arrives slowly and is not as visible as the economy adjusts lower export earnings and property values. I think real unemployment will kick in the 4th quarter.

SO the toys will have to go. This recovery or stabilisation is the 'dead cat bounce'
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Post by: oldyzman on July 24, 2009, 09:44:23 pm: Yes Marc, I dont like to be negative, but sometimes its a bi product of reality. Hard times are still commin. Yep the the all ords ar OK and good old KRUD is still tryin to save the day, but his juggling act is gettin a bit top heavy- someone is gunna throw him a running chainsaw to put into the juggling act, it will probably cut someones fingers off-certainly will not be his,they are too slippery and sly..
Brett
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Post by: mx250 on July 25, 2009, 12:15:25 am: Quote from: oldyzman on July 24, 2009, 09:44:23 pm
Yes Marc, I dont like to be negative, but sometimes its a bi product of reality. Hard times are still commin. Yep the the all ords ar OK and good old KRUD is still tryin to save the day, but his juggling act is gettin a bit top heavy- someone is gunna throw him a running chainsaw to put into the juggling act, it will probably cut someones fingers off-certainly will not be his,they are too slippery and sly..
Brett
Gee, the sky must be falling :o :o.
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Post by: dave on July 25, 2009, 07:29:43 am: Quick you guys you better start selling all your old worthless dirtbikes before the ass drops outta the market. I can help you out, since I don't have a ride and it's better to spread the losses across society to lessen the impact. I'm more than happy to take any bikes off your hands for a reasonable price ::) In fact Krud gave me $900 bucks to use so, as everyone keeps telling me to keep it in the country. What do you think huh huh?
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Post by: jimg1au on July 25, 2009, 09:37:05 am: freaky
every try and buy a vincent in any codition, velo thruxton mss or kss.bsa goldstar in any trim mx or road, manx norton,7r ajs or g50 matchless.if you have good quality vmx bike i dont think the price will drop to much on good going bikes.you are trying to buy a speedwaybike atm but all are too expencive for your budget.then you have old cars see how much a gtho xy will set you back
just my 2 cents worth
jim
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Post by: Freakshow on July 27, 2009, 11:46:34 am: True but same applies, its only the models they want , if 2 people arent interest is it still worth more than it was yesterday ? i think not. and to use you car refers, well you only have to lok at the arse that fellout of the GTO market last year, up to half a mill, now back into the 100,000, its all swings and round about, and its only worth somthing to someone who wants it, if you dont have 2 interested parties , or enthusiats well its worth nothing really.

Personally, i wouldnt pay 5,000K for a GTHO, i think there peices of shit, but hey im just not interested in them, nor some of those bikes you mentioned. MY point was sometimes bikes and models are era specific, unless its a works model or one of 5 made, reallity is market will dictated usually by those who had a passion to own one, ride one or what ever historical connection to it they personally have, as the generation moves forward they have less connection to that model and it had better have some kind of cult status otherwise it will join the also rans.

As in the case of the GTO you mention, you would always need to find 2 more people who want it , for more than id pay for it to have any value, that value is then benchmarked based on that sale. So being simplistic, assume both guys buy one, then the 3rd turns up - its worth how much EVERYTHING is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay ( or likewise willing to sell)

im not saying somthing looses value, im just saying everything levels out, and only the special stuff has another run. Before the Vmx got legs how much of this stuff was worth anything ? same stuff probally changing hands for less than $500. IF you took away the sport, through DB, rules etc i suspect the level would change also. I was only thinking about this the other day, why is a MXB worth so little ? simple interest the only reason its not getting as much money as the rest of them ? my guess is its just currently not got a riding market, if you let it run pre75 what do you think would happen to the price over night ? same with the TM 250 75 ?

I think value has to be linked to something outside the bike, even if its as stupid as your mate say to you he want XYZ and now you decide you want one too, a value is now created on Jealousy, you have just created a value based on what ? emotion, nothing to do with the unit itself.

IF we are talking about bike values i think they will hold there value for as long as you can ride them, when that runs out they will fall back in value, and the only one to command price support will be the ones that the other person wants to admire and collect, some bikes fall into the both category , but others only fit in one. There is always a ceiling.
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Post by: Marc.com on July 27, 2009, 01:15:20 pm: Quote from: Freakshow on July 27, 2009, 11:46:34 am
the arse that fellout of the GTO market last year, up to half a mill, now back into the 100,000,

Yep that market peaked, I agree with what you have said about racing bikes Freakshow, that once bikes get too precious to use then the garage decoration market limits the price, unless it is something tasty that really birghtens up the shed.
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Post by: oldyzman on July 28, 2009, 09:30:00 pm: I still think the 250B will have a last minute rush of Bids, cause they really do not come up much..
Brett
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Post by: Freakshow on July 28, 2009, 10:25:34 pm: seen 3 since xmas. when your not looking they seem to turn up. Ross used to say he only new of a few, well i think even he has realised how many are actually still out there, they were good enough to fit throught the "dispose era unlike so many other enduro types that became scrap metal.

Even nathan turned up a frame a while back 2, and i saw just a frame a few weeks back, so they are in various states, but living on.

Im trying not to look to hard for an A, hoping that if i dont look one will turn up.
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Post by: Rossvickicampbell on July 28, 2009, 11:13:16 pm: yes and no Freaky. There weren't ever that many made but yes they do turn up and usually in good nick - we do seem to have more than our fair share of 360's in WA though - I know of two where the owner is maybe/maybe not looking at selling.

It might be similar to when you mention a particular model of car - then you start seeing them everywhere :D
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Post by: firko on July 28, 2009, 11:19:56 pm: Back in the early 90's Sydney racer Col Brightwell raced a matching set of YZA's..125, 250 and 360. The 360 was actually a cobbled together bike featuring a 360b engine fitted to a YZ250a roller. He'd bought a complete 360b but couldn't race it in pre 75 at the time (prior to the Jody Mason challenge to the rulebook) so he did the swapover. I often wonder what happened to his 360a and it's monoshock b donor.
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Post by: Freakshow on July 30, 2009, 03:59:42 pm: im thinking about posting up my engine numbers, here and in the states, its always had me wondering where the frames went too, or if rebuilt what motor they have in them now, be good to offer up the left cases to whoever has the matching numbers in some kind of straight swap and the frame owner pays to split the cases. BE a warm fuzzy feeling to rematch up a lost pair or 2.

Heard of another 3 frames turn up this week, in the country side. still looking for a confirm but guy says they stay put. pity as they will just get rusty and end up in scap after he moves on.

I think listing the numbers will be a xmas hols progect. hey 090 whats you 360 frame number out of curiousity, i got a 432 somthing, crack me up if they are the same ........... be like a twilight zone thing huh
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Post by: jimg1au on August 01, 2009, 08:49:15 am: so who bought it for 4400 freaky did you scare eveyone off to snag it
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Post by: basil44 on August 01, 2009, 08:54:32 am: Who ever bought it must be mental or have a shit load of parts to suit , in that case CAN I be your friend ;D
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Post by: JohnnyO on August 01, 2009, 09:27:08 am: Freaky i've got a 360B frame, suspension tank seat etc, just missing the engine. It's in storage but when i get a chance i'll check the numbers out of curiosity.
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Post by: Freakshow on August 02, 2009, 12:59:54 am: YEp do it johnny, is it up for sale... :O)

MInes motors an 'A' so it will have the diffant prefix's.

NA jim not me, i cooked a deal with the guy on a 50 /50, if i won under 4000 id pay 3.5 ( which is what it was worth, if it went over 4000 i agreed to push it over 4300 or as high over that as i could, and pull back if i was winning. i told him i was only in at 3.5 but id take the punt it wouldnt go over if it did he would get the upside, if it wasnt for that one guy who won it , crazy plan would have worked as every one else was out at 3.6 so it was a good plan, but hey sometime you lose, some you win. IN a way im glad i didnt pull it, im not that keen on the b's the monoshock thing is a HF really. This one had issue as disussed previously, if new owner did view it, it would be interesting when he collects it or it gets picked up and lands on his door, it needs $$$ and a lot of work
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Post by: JohnnyO on August 02, 2009, 10:31:30 am: Freaky my 360b frame number is 484-001533. I wonder where the engine ended up? I have a feeling it blew up, was stripped down and never rebuilt then dumped at the tip. That is where the rest of the bike was found.
What's the chances of me getting an engine for it either here or in the US?
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Post by: Freakshow on August 03, 2009, 05:11:01 pm: Not sure. most of my stuff is 431, and a 432, but cant say i have looked to hard for the b stuff, but IIRC they did a few more 360 for the b then the A, or was it the other way round. Any how... was the frame here or did you bring it in ? if it was ex US id say its probally in a FT or something as they still turn up. If it was ex AU then you would be right it sitting in the corner of a garden somwhere rusting if not ina dumpster from a house clean. I can think of 3 other 360 frames and also the one i think its 090 has in Qld so there are at least 4 or more 360 motors out there that never came home.......... you might have to pick up an RT1 donk until you can find one, rarely you see BLANK side cases, but i have only seen 250cc in those, but surely they did a few replacement cases for the 360, if you can find one of them id say thats as good as matching numbers, but then you still need to fing the other bits to get it into spec, crank, clutch, straight cut gears etc, and the barstard part is not a lot of the 250 fits in the 360, it was a bit out on its own. Wiseco dont even make the pistons, so unless someone else did its Gen or nothing.

What Pistons are you using Ross ? and did you sleeve back to a cast barrell and move onto the MX360 pistons or trying to chase chrome ones still ?
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Post by: holeshot buddy on August 04, 2009, 10:28:02 pm: freaky its not 090 brad that has 360a
its me
after nats i will post number up i think its around 43100 230
or something like that will have a look later ;D
cheers rusty ;D
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Post by: Freakshow on August 05, 2009, 12:20:31 pm: Soz, knew it was a banana bender. :D

Rusty, if its a 360 it should be 43200 230 ;) but wait to see the numbers.

Good luck at the Nats. :)
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Post by: basil44 on August 05, 2009, 06:22:09 pm: Hey Freaky, Im chasing an original carby to suit a YZ250A (has 431 stamped in front of the choke pull up rod) and a couple of other small parts for one of our past heros to finish his resto. If anyone else might know of any you can pm me or phone me on 0412747729. Many thanks in advance John.
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Post by: Freakshow on August 05, 2009, 07:43:48 pm: does it have the pull up Knurlled choke ? got one of them on the MX360 with that number, but i thought they where black ? if that true then there must be other models using a 431 stamp carb cause this one has it too

Starting a new thread re: those numbers matching search / exchange / reunite idea

on the off chance you guys wanna think about the idea. http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=9005.0
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Post by: Davey Crocket on August 05, 2009, 09:35:12 pm: Yes Freaky it has the pull up knob, if you want to do some sort of deal , let me know (Im Basil at work and Davey at home). Cheers John.
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Post by: vandy010 on August 05, 2009, 09:44:41 pm: i always thought there was two sides to you Basil...
i mean Davey...
???
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Post by: Freakshow on August 06, 2009, 12:24:23 pm: yoU HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES ? or you have the banned multiple accounts ?
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Post by: holeshot buddy on August 19, 2009, 08:50:43 pm: hey freakmeister heres my frame number
forgot about putting it on
been looking at all my blown up bikes and crying :'(

its 432 000255
;D ;)

cheers rusty :)
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Post by: Freakshow on August 31, 2009, 12:15:54 pm: Rusty can you put that one up in the looking for my other half thread. cheers Freaky
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Post by: frostype400 on August 31, 2009, 12:47:33 pm: hey rusty i will take all your blown up bikes the yz360 would look good in my shed ;D
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Post by: Rossvickicampbell on August 31, 2009, 06:53:03 pm: sorry Freaky - missed your earlier post due to travelling.

Yep - had the LA Sleeve installed and currently running an MX piston but now, through some ebay searching, have both MX and YZ pistons to suit when needed.

cheers

Rossco

PS - don't know where I can get a brake cable do you?
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Post by: Freakshow on August 31, 2009, 08:08:45 pm: Front black or grey ?

i got piston kits to suit the steel sleeve thats easy, but try finding the ringsets to run the chrome bores.
especially in the 360 spec..ekk
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Post by: Rossvickicampbell on September 01, 2009, 03:46:35 pm: I believe they are both the same aren't they? Just after a race one so not fussed on colour. Thanks - didn't know there was problems with the rings in that regard. Also the LA Sleeve can go out 4 times over whereas the standard can only go 2.

cheers

Rossco
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Post by: Freakshow on September 01, 2009, 03:56:56 pm: YOu cant run steel rings in a chrome bore.

i got a guy that hand cut sleeves and you should be able to go out to P8 in the wiseco which is the 2 mm over set.