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Clubroom => VMX Sidecars => Topic started by: VMX247 on August 02, 2013, 02:42:11 pm
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We need definite number from you please. Before we start to fill our sea container up with outfits.
Please don't add politics , I might have a go, my wifes due, my brothers wedding, I only do 12" or any other non specific posts.
Just a simple yes or no that your pre78 outfit is attending would be wonderful.. Thank you !!
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No.
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Thank you Tim.
We have three keen here to enter..who else ??????
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Is there any pre75 sidecars active, over on the east coast ??
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Theres 1 in Qld Ali, but don't count on it.
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Theres 1 in Qld Ali, but don't count on it.
cheers,might have to aim at putting more promotional energy into the Port August Nationals SA for 2014 . 8)
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2013 Classic Nationals Wyaralong Qld 1,2 &3 Nov, see main thread
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Don't beleive Crocket ,we can get at least 4 to the grid with some motor retro fitting and might even build a couple just for shits and giggles.
There will be sidecars at this event.
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Ok ............we have some keen folks over here.
If we/you and I pull this off. :P
It will be the biggest east coast grid gathering for "sidecars" for a long time, perhaps since the 1987 and then in 1997 @ Barrabool Geelong
Who you got for us to WHoop ass Vaughn ?? ;) :)
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we'll line up some mugs for you to 'tap'
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Anyone up in Qld able to provide a chair for a couple of our young charges Sarah and Robert Dillion from WA. They are presently touring Australia. This is one of those feel good stories, with Sarah having survived a cancer scare and now having a year off touring Australia with her brother and best friend Robert
Sara is the pilot and Robert the cement bag and she can push a unit pretty damn well. They are not bike floggers
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Tossa, we would love to help out. Pre 75 outfits are a bit rare here though and we are looking at retro-fitting some to make 'em pass. We will have 4 or 5.
We are currently looking for some pre75 Yam/Suz trail bikes to get soem together.
If anyone has something like that...even SL/XL Hondas would work as we have done them in the past.
Please let them know we will find them a ride at all costs.
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thanks for that just got off the phone from them both, their enjoying sunny Mackay at the moment and would love to ride a sidecar at the Nats
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I have a pre 75 yamaha sidecar here but its not finished yet , happy for you to haul it up there and fisinsh it and race it, and ill get it back whenever.
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thanks Freaky but I'm flying and I don't think the container will be stopping to pick up.
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I have a pre 75 yamaha sidecar here but its not finished yet , happy for you to haul it up there and fisinsh it and race it, and ill get it back whenever.
Grab a container and your SA brothers/sisters to bring it up.
We need more states entered. :P
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I have a pre 75 yamaha sidecar here but its not finished yet , happy for you to haul it up there and fisinsh it and race it, and ill get it back whenever.
Grab a container and your SA brothers/sisters to bring it up.
We need more states entered. :P
if only ;) great idea 8)
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Will cost us from the West about $300-$400 per bike to transport them in a container, all boxed up. Lot cheaper from SA
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Will cost us from the West about $300-$400 per bike to transport them in a container, all boxed up. Lot cheaper from SA
Far out man now that is dedication 8). A standing ovation to you guys for making the financial committment ... [stands and claps], well done.
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Will cost us from the West about $300-$400 per bike to transport them in a container, all boxed up. Lot cheaper from SA
Good work that is very reasonable but with us crow eaters its more about time availability we have alot on and I know Im the slack one :o
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Basically we fly over wed night or Thursday morning and back on the Monday (3 days off work)
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You're not thje slack one Shelpi, you did your bit getting to Conondale. It's the others down there that need some work.
Maybe you should put it to them to set up a fighting fund to get the top teams together once a year---here or there. That's what we aim to do here. It's no good thinking you guys are faster or slower if we don't get to race each other a few times.
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You're not thje slack one Shelpi, you did your bit getting to Conondale. It's the others down there that need some work.
Maybe you should put it to them to set up a fighting fund to get the top teams together once a year---here or there. That's what we aim to do here. It's no good thinking you guys are faster or slower if we don't get to race each other a few times.
Great idea EML I will hit them with it and luv to think it will happen ;) :D
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Our guys over here in the west are as to come over this time and mix it with the Eastern staters They are Cookie, Vanderlinden and Johnson. Plus Vaughan is trying to help out with a bike for Sarah Dillion to show her skills. The problem the boys have before entering is what will the sidecar figures belike, they informed me there were only six They are just wondering is there are any indication of takers from over east this time
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Sup Regs for Nats in Qld up on MA website Thursd morning
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Look in all honesty I would love to go up North for the Nationals.
Ask myself do the competitors really want a unhealthy, unfit, useless type on an old. rough, ugly Honda 754 HBS/Wasp 754 plodding around the racing circuit. Blocking their chance at a title?
HBS Home built special ;)
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Look in all honesty I would love to go up North for the Nationals.
Ask myself do the competitors really want a unhealthy, unfit, useless type on an old. rough, ugly Honda 754 HBS/Wasp 754 plodding around the racing circuit. Blocking their chance at a title?
HBS Home built special ;)
Of course they/we do .... the more the merrier. Who gives a shit what you or your bike/trike looks like ... as long as you're having a red hot go (trademark Peter Geoffrey Brock) :)
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We actually don't give a tinkers toss if you have a go (red hot or otherwise) we reckon it's just good to get out in a paddock and have a bash.
Last years event drew all sorts out on the woodwork and probably the one golden unit was a not too young Ron Chadwick who gave away his pre75 Wasp Yamaha to our states best team so they could have a crack (which they did with top results) but he entered a BSA outfit that had previously done the 24hr trial in SA, in the pre68 class. He did that knowing that he would most likely be the only entrant and that there would be on award. He, and passenger Marshall Shaw still went out and entertained themselves, if nobody else and went home empty handed but with a good heart. Not too many will do that and they deserve the credit...more than they got IMO.
It's not really about the winning Tim, you just need to show up mate....we'll even share our beer....on a 1st back to the pits system ;D ;D ;D
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hey tim 754 you have not seen us race up here we only go out to have a laugh and talk it up when we get back to the pits if we are not smiling after a race we should give it away come up (you might not leave with a trophy but you will leave with a smile and some new mates)
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Ron, and his mate on the old BSA were a star turn and won the "Spirit of Vintage" award
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Look in all honesty I would love to go up North for the Nationals.
Ask myself do the competitors really want a unhealthy, unfit, useless type on an old. rough, ugly Honda 754 HBS/Wasp 754 plodding around the racing circuit. Blocking their chance at a title?
HBS Home built special ;)
Yep we would ;) you would fit right in with the rest of us ;D
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Shelpi, see if Murray wants a weekend in Qld will ya??
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Shelpi, see if Murray wants a weekend in Qld will ya??
will do, you know he doesnt ride Mx sidecar anymore, ;)
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Prolly 'cause his passengers kept letting him down eh???
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If it's worth anything, I will be there on a Wasp. ;)
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Lovely letter today informing me I have been booked in to attend a cardiac procedure Thursday before Titles >:( Well hopefully one less problem for next title event...
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Tim, the Saturday of my cardio test I had a race at Conondale so couldn't make it....the Doc joked that if I died racing he would concider that a 'fail'. :D
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Tim, the Saturday of my cardio test I had a race at Conondale so couldn't make it....the Doc joked that if I died racing he would concider that a 'fail'. :D
Lovely letter today informing me I have been booked in to attend a cardiac procedure Thursday before Titles >:( Well hopefully one less problem for next title event...
what doesnt kill you makes you stronger, all the best Guys and good health ;) we just had another fall off the purch last week so please look after yourselvs eat well and be fit
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Lovely letter today informing me I have been booked in to attend a cardiac procedure Thursday before Titles >:( Well hopefully one less problem for next title event...
Jeez Tim.......you snuck this one up on us ???. I wish you all the best on a really rapid recovery matey. Ain't getting old a hoot ::).
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Just another heart stent ;) Bother is I cannot have the small op through the groin like most, Got to have the insertion via my wrist arteries. So got to keep it still for a couple of days or risk bleedin out in about five minutes.... :o Cheers Tim
"Ain't getting old a hoot" . Firko :D hmmmm subjective answer being........ ;)
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Ain't getting old a hoot ::).
I think Tim's knows the secret to dealing with getting old......... never grow up! ;D
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Ain't getting old a hoot ::).
I think Tim's knows the secret to dealing with getting old......... never grow up! ;D
Yes sir re peter pan syndromes working for me :o
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Shelpi, see if Murray wants a weekend in Qld will ya??
Spoke to Murray and he would have luved to, but regrets to say at such short notice with all his ongoing commitments will not be able to attend and thanks you for the honour of being asked.
He send his best wish's and speeks fondly of all you lot ;)
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That's a real shame and he will be missed.
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So far we have at least 5 after retro fitting some engines and drum brakes...so are we a goer?....you bet!
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So far we have at least 5 after retro fitting some engines and drum brakes...so are we a goer?....you bet!
8)
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Great news Vaughn, that's dedication. Let's see those entries.
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Entries close midnight tomorrow-see Organisers thread
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did you get a enough for a title grid?
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No they pulled the pin on us even before late entries were counted so there goes that.
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No they pulled the pin on us even before late entries were counted so there goes that.
:( any out of state? ?
You have more of an influnence over the Qld outfits.Really hoping you can rally the troups for SA Nationals 2014,it could be a big line up if we could all gather for the 2014 nats.
Two definate chairs here in WA very keen.
cheers A
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The problem up here Ali is theres only 1 or 2 legit pre 75 trolly's, they where going to retrofit the pre85 ones back to pre75 specs.....how you do that boggles me?
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, they where going to retrofit the pre85 ones back to pre75 specs.....how you do that boggles me?
The rules for the pre '75 sidecar class are a little more lenient compared to solo's.
Basically if the engine is pre '75 or follow on, drum brake rear, period front disk and pre '75 spec non piggy back, pre 75 suspension travel and geometry- you're in.
This rule was made (correct me if I'm wrong) to encourage more entries in the '75 class and to make use of all the mid-late 70's wasps that are little better than the pre 75 ones.
To convert Nick Higgs' 70's airbag EML or Vaughn's '76 (?) wasp- relatively easy and in the spirit of the 'loose' rules.
To convert Ronnie's or Dave's or my 83-84 EML- waste of time it would be a piece of shit.
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GCR 18.7.01 States "For the Pre-1975 class, all performance parts must be manufactured before 31st December 1974.
Ok what are performance parts. Is it just engine and brakes or does it include suspension?
How many sidecars were entered last year and if there was enough where are they?
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The scrutineer should have pulled it up without a protest.
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Yes it is a good time to clean it up a bit . I then might bring my stuff back out for a run and fun .
Hmm... I have to ask, if you are only out there for fun then what does it matter?
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Yes it is a good time to clean it up a bit . I then might bring my stuff back out for a run and fun .
Hmm... I have to ask, if you are only out there for fun then what does it matter?
Well if it doesn't matter , can I enter with my modern ? It is a lot kinder on my back . ;) I know what you mean , but if there are rules they should be for all .
Point taken and going any further would detract from this thread. Thnx :)
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GCR 18.7.01 States "For the Pre-1975 class, all performance parts must be manufactured before 31st December 1974.
Ok what are performance parts. Is it just engine and brakes or does it include suspension?
How many sidecars were entered last year and if there was enough where are they?
No one has answered my previous question above. If it is too hard to get enough (six) Pre 75 Sidecars, to constitute a Championship class. Would there be enough if it was Pre 78. It's up to the Sidecars guys to make it work. Ignoring rules to get enough is not the answer. No one wants to be beaten by a machine they know isn't legal.
I am not an expert on sidecars and will not pretend to be, but what has to change to make it work. Where are the bikes from last year?
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GCR 18.7.01 States "For the Pre-1975 class, all performance parts must be manufactured before 31st December 1974.
Ok what are performance parts. Is it just engine and brakes or does it include suspension?
How many sidecars were entered last year and if there was enough where are they?
No one has answered my previous question above. If it is too hard to get enough (six) Pre 75 Sidecars, to constitute a Championship class. Would there be enough if it was Pre 78. It's up to the Sidecars guys to make it work. Ignoring rules to get enough is not the answer. No one wants to be beaten by a machine they know isn't legal.
I am not an expert on sidecars and will not pretend to be, but what has to change to make it work. Where are the bikes from last year?
I guess changing the date could work, to include a few bikes that are pretty close to pre 75.
On the other hand, there is plenty proper Pre '75 outfits sitting in sheds, the main problem with lack of entries is that people choose not to enter.
The Pre '75 class at one stage had a stronger following and attendance than any other class including modern. I have raced at events with up to 25 (mostly legit) pre '75's so they are out there.
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Where are all of those great old Norton, 650 Yamaha and 750 Honda Wasps? There used to be full fields of them.
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All but 1 has entered but for some reason they have cut us off early.
They had 3 entries by last Friday (for the program) We have had 2 team members over seas ( 1 in PNG and the other at Fraser Is ) so they are late but still in by today ( when the final cut-off is due).
Now we have everyone with the shits. David Mattock made the trip up north to get Matts Wasp ($500 in fuel! ). Jamie has retro fitted an XS motor into Ronnies Wasp ( he had just fitted a TT600 into it to make it pre85) We have just retro fitted an XS into my poor old Wasp (she was just getting excited about loosing 15kgs and picking up a few HP) and Adam found Nick Higgs and got the ok to enter the EML Norton. Ron Chaddwick convinced his yougest boy Glen to ride his Wasp, so we had 5 and 1 more was possible. Just any sidecar would have made up the numbers.
The ASA has no interest at all in coming up and Wallys are all "shed queens" so that's it from me.
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As an 'add-on'.....I would have thought 3 friggin sidecars would have been enough to represent a sport of 30+yrs ago just as 3 70+ riders in an age race would be.
FFS when are we going to get into our heads what the fork we are about here.
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Ok the sup regs say late entries are accepted up until 27 Oct. That is midnight Sunday. Have they got the Steward's permission to change the sup-regs?
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I have emailed and in-boxed Col Metcher but had no response.
I don't have any other contact.
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I have emailed and in-boxed Col Metcher but had no response.
I don't have any other contact.
Col is pretty good at getting back to people so if he hasn't there would be a reason. Maybe he is ill again?
Try Davey Crocket or Vandy if you can
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I don't have any other contact.
MQ is the promoter Vaughn
I dont think it'd be too hard to find thier contact details...
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OK So I was dealing with Col. I don't want to have to chase this. If you are close to the descisions Vandy, answer the question for us all.
If MA/MQ want to dance on this I hope they have a good lawyer. Hang on....of course they do, the ones we pay for. Nah fork that, but someone is looking for a poke on the nose.
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Vaughn if you have another 4 entries just put them in using nominate. Does anyone know who the Steward is? If your entries have been rejected you have the right to protest.
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And the finger pointing starts. Lawyers, nose punching, indignation !!!
Approx. time line on sidecar involvement in these Nationals :-
About the time it became likely the Classic Nats would be held in Qld, a prominant local sidecar guy went on this forum to state there wont be a sidecar class as Brisbane sidecars have gone Pre85. This statement was instrumental in the WA sidecars decision to not come to Qld. Subsequent approaches by me to the WA sidecars made it clear that due to the uncertainty that Qld could field a meaningfull number of "kosher" chairs they wouldnt risk the trip.
August 21 I announced on this thread the meeting was a goer ( two months ago)
A flurry of excitement and comments re retro fitting, sidecars definitely in etc.
Sept 12 EML said on this thread, in responce to the lack of support from the sidecar fraternity, "You'll have to forget sidecars we don't have enough so I'm packing it in"
Sup regs out seven weeks ago with six weeks to close of entries.
I put several reminders on this and the the Competion section over the next weeks.
36 hours before closing date the 18th I went on both sections pointing out that while late entries would be accepted with a fee of $50, all decisions relative to the programn, race order, cancellation of under subscribed classes, acceptance into over subscribed classes etc would be based on entry situation at close on 18th.
At no time did ANYONE telephone, text, email or in any way indicate there were likely to be any increase on the three sidecar entries received.
On 21st I emailed the entries received advising of MQ decision to cancel the sidecar class, refund the entry fee, and offer a spot each day for a demonstration run.
On 24th one of the sidecar entrants who'd done it right, and gone to a huge effort to enter a legal Pre75 outfit, went about expressing his concern at the decision by writing formally to MQ, the correct approach.
Also on the 24th (postmarked 22nd) we received a fourth sidecar entry.
On 25th I had a phone enquiry which I referred to MQ.
So at close we had three sidecar entries, the decision to cancel was advised on the 21st, and a fourth entry was Posted on the 22nd.
And yes, both the Race Secretary and Steward are aware of the MQ decision.
Perhaps a little looking inwards, and understanding of the big picture would serve the cause better than huffing and puffing on this forum.
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it really should not matter who said what on any forum late entries close on the 27th so a decision should be made on the 28 as to what classes should be canned just my two cents worth. thanks to dave mattock for driving to pick up one sidecar from up north and to jamie for all his work on getting ronnies wasp ready . may be next year fellas
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A quote from Col early in the piece, "There will be sidecars at the Nationals"
As I have said as well, "if there was only 3 over 70s riding...they would get a race......."
Also, we need to remember what we are here for.......to showcase the sport. There have been titles run before with low numbers. Case in point on this forum...report from 1964 Titles in Tasmania.
The "committee" had no right to make that decision with-out consultation.
YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY FRIENDS HERE!
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Sorry for The ASA's lack of luster :P but we are mostly spent penny's with broken or new rigs being sorted, personally I would luv to attend but seriously Ive had it mentally, physically, monetarally and time wise :o had a fantsic year and raceing with you lot was a big thrill, so will try and redeem myself with the wife then get the EML happening.
Good luck fellas and allthe best in your quest ;)
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I think once the rules are cleared up and ENFORCED by the scrutineers we all know where stand on pre 75 chairs. Having that assurance (like the solos do ) would encourage more parked units and make 2000 km trips worthwhile again . A little of the track but in the same thought line , there are people now trying to wrestle in watercooled two strokes in pre 85 . They simply werent there in 84 end of story . Stick to period and racing would be fun for all concerned . Entering a national event is for the long distance travellers not a last minute thing . Lots of cost and preparation needs to be done long time prior .(Vehicle registrations, Holidays , accommodation etc ) If entries and rules are shaky , not many will take that risk . Just my thoughts on this matter .
I will not be putting a liquid cooled motor into a Pre 85 and do not know anybody that is, I am trying to put together a 1984 EML with all you guys on the forum so that in time we will all get together at the right time and the right place, I wish us all luck and all the best, please dont give up, just go for smoko ;) pool together keep trying and we will pervail, just doesn't feel like it sometimes, lets keep that dream alive you know the one where we win a trillion dollars.......... ;) :) :D ;D :o
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I will not be putting a liquid cooled motor into a Pre 85 and do not know anybody that is, I am trying to put together a 1984 EML with all you guys on the forum so that in time we will all get together at the right time and the right place, I wish us all luck and all the best, please dont give up, just go for smoko ;) pool together keep trying and we will pervail, just doesn't feel like it sometimes, lets keep that dream alive you know the one where we win a trillion dollars.......... ;) :) :D ;D :o
Sorry I got that wrong then . I thought that is what you where going to do .
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Thats ok ;) now ya mentioned it I can see how you or anyone could come to that conclusion ;) but nah just a coincidence ,yep do have a Maico big bore tea kettle but only use for it will be to help pay for the EML resto, thanks for all your help and input Wasp and please keep on helping us threw the hazze :)
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If there were only three over 70s they would NOT get there own race, and never have.
The fact is there are nine Supersenior entries, all of whom entered on time, and all on legitimate Pre75 machines.
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We will have the Post Classic Nats in Qld next April, which gives everyone plenty of time for the sidecars to plan.
Also Classic Nats in SA where local and WA pre75 (or whatever the 2014 MOMs define as Classic) numbers should ensure a good entry.
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After butchering an XS engine into Ronnies Wasp, I not sure anyone wants to bother any more and you better be careful the same doesn't happen to your "commitee"!
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Except it had already been 'adjusted' and sold as a Wasp built special for a 750/4 motor. It was no easy task.
So tell me Wally, have you ever heard of an organiser cutting a class before all entries had been counted?
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EML, You speak of "everyone " as if you are a spokesperson for the sidecar group. I enjoy watching the sidecar races, they're totally insane, wouldn't do it for quids.I'm sure the majority are good hardworking guys who love to race, and see the rulebook as a useful guideline, not something to whinge about all the time when it doesn't suit them. Entry dates are advised in plenty of time, so most are able to comply. Comments such as yours do you no credit.
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Yes Mike, we were told of the cutoff date, it was in the regs, that is what they are for. We had some guys overseas but they knew they had until midnight tonight to get in.....end of story.
Pretty obvious they didn't want us.
Wally it is an RT15, same as mine.
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You where bragging off at a bmcc event you had 5 chairs ready and only needed one more. Move on before you stuff it for the ones that do turn up to events and make the effort. ;D
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Here's what it is all about ;) lets keep on trying for for these ones comeing along into the future :)(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/DSC_0599_zps50591290.jpg) (http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/shelpi1/media/DSC_0599_zps50591290.jpg.html)
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Thats cool :)
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Thats cool :)
Thanks Bill ;) :) :D ;D
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Dont buy a hack because it is cheap , buy it or build it for the period , you have no hazzles and you get more when you sell it
Scary!!! I actually agree with Wally!!!! but I don't own a sidecar anymore.....
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That is great to see Pete, it is a shame that the sidecars aren't running, IMO rules are rules and if they had late entries till a certain date then that's what it should have been no ifs buts or maybe, I would bet my balls if Pre 70 or any other class only had 3 entries a week out they wouldn't have got the chop, what a crock of shit, sorry Col MA MQ who ever made the decision you forked up plain and simple.
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THANK YOU Popeye.
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popeye rules are rules.people no cut off entry dates if they can read!! I have sympathy for what you are saying but 100 or so others enterd to the rules no problem
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What I'm saying Walter is don't change the rules on entry to suit one and not the other, rules of legal or not bikes different kettle of fish, but seeing where talking about rules, yes abide by the rules, but to close entries early not on sorry, by the way racing today bloody good, track looked fantastic, I will give a bit of a report in a day or two.....
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Popeye , I think it would have been the usual struggle to get the KOSHER six anyway. Wheeling observed trails sidecars on the lines as an emergency to get the minimum six entries is really a emergency . Turn this into something positive Popeye . Sit down with the boys and work out what class you want to run and support . Once you hace decided ( pre 75 pre 85 or moderns ) then go for it united and stick to it . That is the only way to get strong .Ohh and while you are at it , perhaps change or tune the "spokesman " ;) See if his constant bickering und stirring could be turned into something positive , that would help the sport alot too .
;) thats the spirit ;D
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So it's alright to change the Supp Regs to suit yourself.???
I don't think so...it's a leagl document!!
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Dont take this the wrong way ::) all shit aside i like the
trolleysSidecars and it is a shame that they didn't get a start at the nats .
But as an outsider looking in the sidecar side of things really does seem to be very disjointed . All i see is what i read on the forum and the trolleys sidecars circulating at classic dirt ( where there does seem to be a number of eras riding together )
I would have thought that if the sidecar people were serious about the nats they would have had their entries in as soon as they were open . I hear that people were working away and bike were not ready etc etc and that they didn't get allowed extra time as if it was pre 60s solos . But read back through the whole thing and put yourself as an independent and see how it reads
The reality is that sidecars are a minority like it or not , so are Pre 60 solos and some of the other solo classes but again like it or not the solos have the support of other solo riders .
This is probably the 2nd time ever on this forum i agree with Wally ;D You blokes can put on a spectacular show when you have numbers . Sort out your classes , if whats currently in the MOMs is holding you back get them changed ( its your sport ) work together put past history behind you and move forward .
Again its YOUR sport , the reality is most solo riders couldn't give a continental about sidecars , so you guys have to work together and make it happen .
Be professional about it all from being era correct to entering on time and put on good racing with reliable rigs .
Good luck , if its done well then you will find support from solo rider will come im sure :)
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also well put and well said Bill, sorry for all the shit EML, but we are there for ya mate, united we stand...... luv ya passion but lets all regroup look at the situation and make a judians peoples popular front and come back sofltly but carry a big stick, dont worry mate together we will move ahead its just a sticking point, lets pervail earn our stripes and lead on on the shirt tails of those that have gone before us and leave a blazed trail for those to come we will prevail with honour dignity and respect.
it will all be worth while, lets take a collective breath and we'll be back, try and stop us! there are alot of good people out there :o)
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Guys...guys ...guys it's not that the entries were late.....it was the fact that we had another week to get it together and they cut us short.
The program was to be produced, so they need to know who would be in...the entries actually closed a week later. So the printer was more important than the official supp regs.
I don't want to argue about this any more....never wanted to from the start, however now that a precedent has been set, we could rock up in numbers to any event and demand to race.....'cause from now on the regs mean fork all.
So though they had no sidecars at a national meet is nothing really....other than the fact that it is supposed to be a place to go and view how the sport looked back in the era, and back in the era there were sidecars.
Anyway...who cares anymore, or even before not to mention into the future.
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Vaughn listen to yourself mate , i can speak from experience that always fighting the system ( regardless if you feel justified or not ) gets you nowhere, you can carry on about injustices until your arse heals up, but if when an event is announced you are first in the door with good entries and compliant bikes then you cannot be ignored .
I saw on another forum a suggestion from vinduro riders that in order to get a vinduro class at a modern enduro , the Vinduro riders should enter en mass as soon as entries are open taking up all the available entry spaces and therefore making the event a Vinduro by default :)
Obviously thats not gonna happen with trolleys sidecars , but the positive thinking behind it could work for you blokes ;)
You have a huge passion and international experience for what is a very exciting and spectator favorite motor sport .
Why not try to rally others and see if you can get things off the ground .
Why not make an effort so that event organisers want you at events, a good field of trolleys sidecars is a crowd pleaser but in fighting and whining on forums does not do your cause any justice .
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;) its all good, at the bloody worst its a great start, we have a good chance! thank you all, I can see the best Australian New Zealand Nats title championship Classic scramble Motocross Super cross comeing 8) we will all be there, no global down trend, lots of major sponors, international riders, perfect weather, huge crowds from all forms of life and huge media coverage ;D ok just all of us in one spot with a creek and a hill ;)
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I too to be so optimistic young Shelpi :D :D :D ;D :) >:( :o ??? ::) :-[ :-\ :-X :'(
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A cut off date is exactly that for entries I'm saying, is that too hard to understand I don't no what part of it people don't get??????????
Imagine the shit fight that would happen if they did that to a solo class MMMMM..
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It does not help the discussion to try and turn it into a sidecar verses solo vendetta. If there were only three Pre70 entries the class WOULD have been canned.If that had happened they have the opportunity to run as Pre75, which of course sidecars can't.
The ladies only had three entries so that class was canned. Does that suggest to you there is a bias against female riders. The girls didn't get all paranoid and take it that way.
Reality was every bike class entry numbers exceeded championship minimums well before cut-off except sidecars.
The decision may (?) have been different had anyone from the sidecars communicated with us to suggest they were struggling but given a day or so grace they'd make it. The only communication was EML's on again off again postings on the forum, the last of which being that he was giving up.
There is alot more to do at end of entries than just print a programn, so the decision was not based on printing lead times.
The decision was made by a committee of five, plus management of MQ, with full knowledge of the Steward. The decision was unanimous. If it makes you feel better to blame me for your groups inability to get its act together in spite of two months notice, you are welcome.
I feel genuinely sorry for the two guys who went to great effort and expence to make it happen, but maybe you should look to your peers as why they didn't support you.
One of these sent a polite email asking when an entry refund could be expected, the other chose to bad mouth me personally behind my back to anyone who would listen. I guess it takes all kinds.
The fact of the sidecar entry situation is:-
At close of entry the 18th, three entries were received, with no indication there could be more.
On 24th another was received with insufficient payment.
On 25th another came with no payment, no passenger name, no signature,and sparce detail.
Lessons can be learnt from this, and earlier posts on this thread contain some good advice for the sidecar boys.
For me, it is that if I ever get involved in organising another similar event, there will be no provision or leeway for late entries.
We didn't allow them last year, or the2011 Dirt Track Nats, or the several Masters we've run, and those went well with no arguments.
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For me, it is that if I ever get involved in organising another similar event, there will be no provision or leeway for late entries.
We didn't allow them last year, or the2011 Dirt Track Nats, or the several Masters we've run, and those went well with no arguments.
Now THAT is an unexpected and, I have to say, great disappointment Col. The fact that this "sidecar entry situation" leads an organiser to not have leeway for late entries into the future is a very disappointing outcome for the rest of the vintage racing community .... in my humble opinion of course.
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Simmo, read my last sentence. The last three Masters, 2011 Classic Dirt Track titles, 2012 Classic MX titles, all had "no late entries" and no problem for entrants or organisers.
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Simmo, read my last sentence. The last three Masters, 2011 Classic Dirt Track titles, 2012 Classic MX titles, all had "no late entries" and no problem for entrants or organisers.
I know Col, I read it above mate. I'm just saying that all this grief with the sidecar entries led you to say next time you won't allow late entries to avoid the grief which I think is a disappointing outcome that's all. If you don't normally allow them then no change and no problem I guess.
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It's all good Simmo, hope your arm is ok
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It's all good Simmo, hope your arm is ok
Thanks Col but the pain was continuing so I had it X-rayed today. Turns out I have a fractured collar bone and seperated shoulder joint .. no wonder I was almost vomitting when I rode in the races in the afternoon :)
No riding for a month now so will miss the Miles forMal event which I was really looking forward to .. might see if I can get a leave pass from the boss if I'm feeling up to it :)
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It's all good Simmo, hope your arm is ok
Thanks Col but the pain was continuing so I had it X-rayed today. Turns out I have a fractured collar bone and seperated shoulder joint .. no wonder I was almost vomitting when I rode in the races in the afternoon :)
No riding for a month now so will miss the Miles forMal event which I was really looking forward to .. might see if I can get a leave pass from the boss if I'm feeling up to it :)
That's not all bad then Craig. It will leave you plenty of time to drive to Mudgee now ;D ;D :D
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Not good Craig, hope you get well soon, spoke to Simon Broad yesterday and he's feeling pretty second hand, just saying shut off date is exactly that nothing more nothing less.....
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Not good Craig, hope you get well soon, spoke to Simon Broad yesterday and he's feeling pretty second hand, just saying shut off date is exactly that nothing more nothing less.....
Thanks John. I was wondering how Simon was getting on. I was watching him and the other 2 he was dicing with at the time he crashed and saw it all .. looked bloody nasty from where I was standing. Glad he got up though. If you are speaking with him again, pass on my best wishes please :)
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Not too sure about "late entries" but I was under the impression that entries were 'open' until mid-night on the following sunday. The reason for the other cut-off date was for the program printing and a loose leaf with the sidecars on could have been added later in any case.