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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: TooFastTim on April 03, 2011, 05:47:19 pm
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Recently we've seen a thread about which ex-works bike would you buy assuming unlimited funds and now we've got the JBR up for USD60,000. But, assuming you had bottomless pockets how much would you be prepared to pay for that ex-Thorpe CR500? The catch is: if you have a great deal of money it usually comes as a result of having a fair degree of financial savvy so assuming unlimited funds what is a REASONABLE amount to pay for that treasured ex-works bike you covet?
As an example I would say that JBR might be worth USD20,000, being that it is the real thing and not a contemporary replica.
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good question TFT.Does anyone know how much the EX-Thorpe bike cost Honda to build at the time?If the head was ruling the heart and I was "savvy",i probably wouldn't spend more than 30000-35000 for any ex works bike,Although I've yet to see one in the flesh and impulse would take over if I did.
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My dream would be to own Gaston Rahier, Joel Robert and Roger DeCosta's works Suzuki's. Impossible, I imagine to price and find.
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My dream would be to own Gaston Rahier, Joel Robert and Roger DeCosta's works Suzuki's. Impossible, I imagine to price and find.
Find? No, I can point you an ex Roger D RN and an ex Joel RH. Price? Well, imagine you're well heeled. Where would you stop? When would you say to yourself "nuts, that's too much for that cobby POS"?
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My dream would be to own Gaston Rahier, Joel Robert and Roger DeCosta's works Suzuki's. Impossible, I imagine to price and find.
Find? No, I can point you an ex Roger D RN and an ex Joel RH. Price? Well, imagine you're well heeled. Where would you stop? When would you say to yourself "nuts, that's too much for that cobby POS"?
If money was no object in my life I would pay whatever was asked as this would be a personel goal. It's when you have limited funds, limited earning potential and committments to wife and kids, that would put a stop limit on your spending. I can't even get a day on the weekend to myself to go riding at the moment as the family demands are high and I am last on the list.
I am sure that certain Works Bikes could fetch the same price as a small suburban home if they came up and they had history to them.
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Does anyone know how much the EX-Thorpe bike cost Honda to build at the time?
It's irrelevant as anybody who buys a new car will tell you. Drive a new car out of the forecourt and it loses 20% (at least) of its value. Same with a works bike.
My feeling is I would stop at USD50,000 after that it's insane. And I would only pay that for a title winning (world please, none of this US stuff) Japanese ex-works bike.
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I am sure that certain Works Bikes could fetch the same price as a small suburban home if they came up and they had history to them.
So you would go USD500,000?
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I have no idea whats worth, i would pay 30k for a ow40 winners bike if money was no option. I really think that in the next twenty years or so the little house in sydney etc will go up more than the works bike. I recall in the early eightys that cars from the 30's had a great value like a 1931 long wheelbase dodge but now that car is not that sort after. I reckon its because the fellows that can relate it to thier youth are no longer trying to patch up thier mid life crisis...
Brett
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Dirt bikes are bloody cheap, Try buying an ex work road racer. One of my good friends has a Vincent works bike one of only 20 left. He also owns one of Gardner's bikes. Think of large number times it by 7 then double it and your getting close.
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Bikes are cheap , x works mikola audi quattro rally car, over $1mil US
I would pay up to $150 k for a genuine works mid 70s suzuki and probably the same for one of those experimental twin hondas with the ribi frunt end.Howertons all conquering 250 twin shock say 80 k. But I dont have that kind of money :'( rembember ts not just a bike you are buying it is History itself!
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Dirt bikes are bloody cheap, Try buying an ex work road racer. One of my good friends has a Vincent works bike one of only 20 left. He also owns one of Gardner's bikes. Think of large number times it by 7 then double it and your getting close.
Yes. A few years ago George Beale manufactured a couple of Curruthers Benelli 4 replicas I seem to remember that he sold them for GBP250,000. And thats a for a bike with no provenance.
Bikes are cheap , x works mikola audi quattro rally car, over $1mil US
I would pay up to $150 k for a genuine works mid 70s suzuki and probably the same for one of those experimental twin hondas with the ribi frunt end.Howertons all conquering 250 twin shock say 80 k. But I dont have that kind of money :'( rembember ts not just a bike you are buying it is History itself!
I agree they are relatively cheap. I also agree about the history.
Seems we're narrowing down to a maximum here.
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I wouldn't pay that much money for a bike...I'd rather spend it on organising a dam good VMX event 8)
cheers A
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Wouldn't go that far if you had to pay for beer too.
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Wouldn't go that far if you had to pay for beer too.
Well I was kind of hoping that you could donate your 30G ;) ;D
cheers a
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Funny money...do you take cheques?
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My dream would be to own Gaston Rahier, Joel Robert and Roger DeCosta's works Suzuki's. Impossible, I imagine to price and find.
Terry Good has one of Robert's and one of DeCosters so i wouldn't say it's impossible.
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I had a look earlier but couldn't find the web page but I have seen recent pics of Rogers RN75 or RN76. Looks like it's in the Netherlands or Belgium.
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mmmm interesting question.
I have been offered a works BSA Titanium frame with a sand cast motor that was used in anger by some one who was rather good back in the 60s.
How do you value that? (I have two very good kidneys and appreciate that one may have to be sold to help the funding, but have been told that thay probably isnt enough!)
A slighly more sensible think to muse over is how can I justify spending every penny I own to get a bike I have always wanted (a 40's Indian Chief) when for that kind of money ($30kish) I could get.... we alot of just about anything.
I do know of some works KX's that are available. Propper factory bikes from the late 80s and they are for sale. So if anyone wants to play out that fantasy, I can point them in the right direction.... I dont think you'll need anything like $250,000 (!) but I also know that he doesnt give stuff away.
You could own a propper piece of history......
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I had a look earlier but couldn't find the web page but I have seen recent pics of Rogers RN75 or RN76. Looks like it's in the Netherlands or Belgium.
There is one of Rogers bikes from that era in the US, the pics are on Clay Setzers Flashback Racing website. I think Clive Bussey in the UK also had one in his collection.
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There is one of Rogers bikes from that era in the US, the pics are on Clay Setzers Flashback Racing website. I think Clive Bussey in the UK also had one in his collection.
Thanks for that:
(http://www.vintageworksbikes.com/sitebuilder/images/IMG_7747-721x543.jpg)
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Depending on what the bike is, and the condition its in ("as raced" being the ideal, IMHO), I'd say that anything over $50k would be worth a raised eyebrow, and anything over $100k would be "no way".
That's for a bike that was ridden by a world champ or serious contender and is in useable condition (not that you would be likely to use it, but you know what I mean).
Then again, the idea of me spending that much on one bike is pretty zany...
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So have we settled on 50K?
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Thorpes cr 500 was sold to a guy for 25 000 pounds
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Too rich a game for me, I'd be more inclined to go for something like Steve McQueens Husky or Charles Bronsons tidy XL250 that sold on ebay for around $1,200. More in my budget.
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If money was no object then there would be no limit .
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but you really shouldn't ask the question based on money not being a limiting factor - if so I would spend whatever the amount required to get an ex works RC400-500 pumpkin seed bike - it's like playing with monopoly money. However if it was what would I feel comfortable with - less than $50K - but trying to get it past the boss might be a bigger problem than getting the money. I also would worry about the bike - I would want to ride it - but I would expect most things for the bike (pistons etc) would have to be custom made - probably wouldn't find then on ebay!
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You can spend 50k on a car or a ute (well i couldn't but people do ) and what real pleasure does that give you ???
Life ain't a practice and nobody gets out alive ;)
If you can afford it do it , why limit what you spend on your toys :) an ex missus once told me "you can only ride one bike at a time " so i told her "you only got 2 feet so 1 pr of shoes will suffice" ;)
Putting a limit on it is bullshit and another product of the fun police ::) if you want it and you got the coin then get it otherwise your just another boring number :-*
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NICe one TMB
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+1 TM Bill ! Although, i DID explain the "1 pair of feet so 1 pair of shoes" theory, DIRECTLY after the "you can only ride one bike at a time" statement.....it cost me $250,000.00 and now i have 5 bikes instead of one!
Ah the first missus, those were the days, NOT.
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+1 TM Bill ! Although, i DID explain the "1 pair of feet so 1 pair of shoes" theory, DIRECTLY after the "you can only ride one bike at a time" statement.....it cost me $250,000.00 and now i have 5 bikes instead of one!
Ah the first missus, those were the days, NOT.
First ones only a practice ;)
you gotta explain to them (in the nicest possible way ;) ) that unlike vintage bikes and parts they are still making women , and while the desirability of old bikes and parts increase with age the same can not nesecerely be said for women ;D
They will probably retort with somthing like "many a good tune played on an old fiddle " and you explain the whole forking orchestras going begging after they reach 40 ;) and most blokes prefer a flute over a double bass :)
No need to be rude about it , but its a fact most blokes die before their wives BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ;D
Whats the difference between a girlfriend and a wife ?
Generally about 30 kgs ;D
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TMB - if you were referring to what I was saying - be realistic though. If you say money is no object then you can spend what ever you want - it's just an arse pluck number. However even if you had "sufficient" money how much would you spend. I agree - if you can afford it then do it - but don't play with monopoly money - what would you like to pay for x bike??? Sorry - maybe not clear??
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Thorpes cr 500 was sold to a guy for 25 000 pounds
well couldn't afford the whole bike ( though I should of I think in hind sight, so i just got a little taste)... paint was rubbed off by the knees of someone famous ;D
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/suzi1.jpg)
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TMB - if you were referring to what I was saying - be realistic though. If you say money is no object then you can spend what ever you want - it's just an arse pluck number. However even if you had "sufficient" money how much would you spend. I agree - if you can afford it then do it - but don't play with monopoly money - what would you like to pay for x bike??? Sorry - maybe not clear??
No Rossco it wasn't directed at your post thats just where it fell in the scheme of things :) was a general observation , ole mates original posting did say unlimited funds and bottomless pockets .In the real world if i want somthing bad enough i will spend what i have and what i can borrow to get it . Cant put a figure on that as circumstances change all the time and im only a broken arse Towie ;D . I passed up an RH 250 some years ago for 20K then proceeded over the next 6 months to spend 20K + on a number of other bikes that are really neither here nor there to me ::) I give myself an uppercut every morning for letting that RH go :(
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I passed up an RH 250 some years ago for 20K then proceeded over the next 6 months to spend 20K + on a number of other bikes that are really neither here nor ther to me ::) I give myself an uppercut every morning for letting that RH go :(
Yeah i could have bought pretty much a whole RN500 when I bought the tank, so you are not alone Bill, instead I blew that cash on a Rickman, Cheney, collectable Ducati F1, hmmmm maybe my decision wasn't so bad.
Back to pricing works bikes, Marc's Blue Book of VMX values says somewhere about 20K AUD is the top of the private market at the moment, unless you have Thorpes CR, Cyclone Board Tracker and someone rich or who owns a Museum has to have it. VMX is not quite like the road racer collectors who tend to have a somewhat massive massive budget or own a legal practice.
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this pair would buy you Thorpes bike 5 times over ::)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/PBGrover/oldclassicbikes.jpg)
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Nice but i would have a hell of a time wrestling those round Roberts farm ;D
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You just need to toughen up Bill.....they did it back in the day. :-*
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I reckon' they'd look grouse ,with big set of Knarly Knobbies fully crossed up in unison over "the dropoff" ;) ::)
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there is no way i would part with a manx or 7r or g50 for any dirt bike at all.nice pics marcfx
jim
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Nice but i would have a hell of a time wrestling those round Roberts farm ;D
I don't know Bill once we get the knobbies on i think you should have a go
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/MARCBIKE008.jpg)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Very interesting thread - with most works bikes you would not be buying them as you would a normal bike to ride around the paddock, you would be buying them to appreciate the hand built one off engineering features that they have, and the race history and heritage that comes with them. Did anyone have a good look at that 1981 Kawasaki SR250 on display at Classic Dirt last year - it was a work of art, from its one off weird shape fibreglass tank, sandcast engine and machined hubs, gold anodised billet everything, and super trick shock - I could only find about four insignificant items from my 1981 KX250 that would have fitted on it. Therefor it is like art, why do people pay ridiculous money for art, or classic cars. Therefore works bikes have no price, they are literally priceless - they are worth what anyone wants to pay. I agree that compared to road race works bikes - MX works bikes at 20k to 30k are cheap and will continue to go up over time. Life is not a rehearsal - if you want it and have the once in a lifetime chance to buy it and enjoy it - and can afford it - grab it.
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Hear what you are saying about SR250s here is SR from Japan VMX scene in all its sand cast one off titanium glory ... it comes in the worth whatever someone is prepared to pay category
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMG_7779-1.jpg)
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Hey marc got any pic's of the red devil in the background ? :)