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Marque Remarks => Honda => Topic started by: Hoony on January 13, 2008, 11:59:26 am
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this has been a slow resto over 2 years. part one was a cosmetic tidy up and safety rebuild as it was missing spacers in the swingarm and rear wheel, so i pulled everything down except motor ready for my first viper season on this bike (2006) as i rode the prevoius seasons on my 250. i never owned a 500 when i was racing seriously (pre VMX days) and as i am going though a mid life crisis it was time to tick something off the list.
Heres a pic of the bike when i got it back in Jan 2006, it was used as a trail bike (could not think of a worse bike in the bush) the guy who bought it wanted a bike so he could ride with his kids, he said i used to ride big bikes years ago so it will be fine, he rode it once and then put it back in the dealers to sell for him and bought a 250cc fourstroke trailbike.
it was rough but fairly original but had signs of bush mechanics.
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heres a few pics of a hacked up airbox and dodgy work to the pipe. why anyone would have an airbox like this beats me, have a look at the nice sweeps on the tailpipe.
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the sub frame had also been butchered for the pipe as you can see.
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another shot of the airbox.
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Hey Hoony there is some nice welds on that pipe and frame . It looks like he was trying to choke some life out of the beast so he could ride it .
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the frame was badly mashed in and cracked but as i wanted to ride it this had to wait till now as i have aquired all i need to finish the job properly, i did of course fix the pipe, airbox and sub frame for 06-07 seasons, now it is time to complete the rest of the resto.
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Great to see the big 5hundy Hoony, and its about time too ;) ;D. That airbox, what are you going to do to fix it or will you look around for a better one?
I know pro-circuit do a pipe for this bike and it look BIG and Mean. Its like a snake the way it twists around the bike.Venomous
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frame pic.
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ok this brings us up to race ready for season 2006, a tidy up and repair of all dodgy works and ready to try the bike out and work out if it need a engine rebuild or not for this season. the frame and extras will be done at a later date in part 2 of the resto which i will post later.
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a few of the things i want to rectify are the horrid colour blue barrel and head, what was this guy thinking who did this, it looks great on suzuki's but not on a Honda.
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later model (1986 CR500RG) frame has a fewmods from prevoius model as follows
stronger engine mounts, different footpeg mounts and pegs, different coil and CDI mounts (CDI & coil are totally different, 85' is similar to the 84' RE model) a small lug to protect the rear brake torque arm, different sub frame mount at the top.
i got this 86' frame on ebay and it was low hours, the 85' frame was too far gone as the engine mounts and crushed frame railes and lots of dodgy work swayed me to a replacement rather than a repair. i had to cut off the CDI & coil mounts and made mounts to fit the 85' model CDI & coil.
here is a pic of the original CDI & coil mounts for the 86' Frame.
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hey hoony i just found a honda cr500rf 1985 model for sale....how much do reckon its worth..cause im seriously thinkin about buyin her....more pics if you want them.....
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send me some more Andrew. it looks fairly original, i got mine for $2k, i reckon that was a bargain so if you get it anywhere around $2.5k thats a good price. beware the dreaded water pump housing for corrosion and give it a good once over.
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cant see it for that much ;D
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My thoughts exactly Hoony. Ah Paul,when you ride an 85 you KNOW you're alive!
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ha another sales pitch for BRAD RACEING LOOKS LIKE A SALE COMEING MY WAY GOT ANY THING IN MIND LOL ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Yes Hoony that was a fine example of metal craft, whats that old sayin,Man with Tool in hand not necessarily tradesman. ;)She looks the goods now.
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he wants $3G for it....the owner said it doesnt need a cent to be spent on it....but whats sorta put me off it are the cracks....yes cracks in the frame same spot as yours anderneath the motor...he says he has welded them up but it dont look good...cause its been sprayed with some sort of black paint....my 84 model had the same problem but it wasnt as bad as yours in those pics earlier on you put up....heres another pic....have a close look at the bottom frame rails....
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this pic might be better....
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if he reckons that it needs no money spent on it well that is only his opinon, its different when You buy it of course as everyones standards are different (you may want new tyres, chain & spockets, Bars, etc)
$3k is not shit loads for a big bore 2 stroke from this era if its as good as what he says. i would suggest go right over it and check as much as you can out. even if you found one that was rough but resonable it can cost you way more in $ and time once you start to restore them. so if its a real good one i would pay that. if frame is done well (i can't tell from the pics) it should be ok, mine was too far gone in a few area's to warrant repair and i saw the 86' frame and got it at a better price than i could of repaired mine for. of course haggle him down a bit if you can.
just noticed that something (other than the color) is not right with the seat ?
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Andrew,
if you want to discuss over the phone PM me and i can ring you if you want.
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hoony yes the seat cover isnt standard and the foam thats up against the tank looks out of place....where did you get your 86 model frame from...cause i think i might know where there is one cheap one a long time ago... and have they got the same specs ..eg ..does the motor slip straight from an 85 model in the 86.... oh and also whats your view on why the 500s frames always crack under the frame rails...it seems to be a common occurance on these...
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Great to see the big 5hundy Hoony, and its about time too ;) ;D. That airbox, what are you going to do to fix it or will you look around for a better one?
I know pro-circuit do a pipe for this bike and it look BIG and Mean. Its like a snake the way it twists around the bike.Venomous
i had a spare airbox luckily for my 250 DJ , they are the same unit. I did get a procircuit for it as they are the goods.
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hoony yes the seat cover isnt standard and the foam thats up against the tank looks out of place....where did you get your 86 model frame from...cause i think i might know where there is one cheap one a long time ago... and have they got the same specs ..eg ..does the motor slip straight from an 85 model in the 86.... oh and also whats your view on why the 500s frames always crack under the frame rails...it seems to be a common occurance on these...
PM sent
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Hey guys, with the frame, it might not be exactly the same as the tank and shrouds are different. Did you have to mock anything up Hoony?
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you may be right Brad, i have not got the bike fully assembled yet, pic i posted early is with the 85' frame (taken at start of 2006).
i have the 86' with the front end in it only at this stage, more follow up to come on this thread
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Dec 2007
made CDI & coil brackets for 86' frame and awaiting some spare time from work.
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Jan 2008
front end fitted to 86' frame and awaiting some more spare time from work, too many hours doing what i have to do and not what i want to do.
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got my crank back last week and looks like the rod and big end was on its last legs, just caught it in time.
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Bugger, just got some shed time in after knocking off work early today. i made up my centre case gasket and thought i would check my gearbox clusters out before reassembly of bottom end and realised that 1 gear box thrust washer is wrong size and one is missing (the bike shifted fine before i pulled it down) either i have lost a washer or it never had one. another order placed to honda and hopefully i will get it tomorrow arvo.
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Hey Hoony, where did you get the big end kit from?
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G'day Brad, i got an OEM kit.
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Nothing like a 'thorough' rebuild hey hoony. You start on one thing, an notice another and another and on it goes.
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yep , thats the way its been mate. i also should have been a bit more organised and went over everything in one hit rather than wait for parts then check next item etc, as everytime i check something it needs work, but then again i am also a fussy prick.
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Hooney,
Rebuilds on pre'85/90 bikes are a nightmare too many wearing bits. I've done my first and last one.
If i get the inclination to buy another one, it'll be a low hours/highly maintained expensive one, cheap "Project" ones are a bottomless pit.
On a positive note at least it doesn't have a power valve........that'd be flogged for sure.
It'll all be worth it when you get it onto some green rolling hills with long straights and wide sweeping turns, with soil like plasticine.
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I will be doing a resto on a 85 500 at some stage. But its down the list a bit as it will be a NOS type of do up just to look at as a reminder of my youth ( before i get to old to remember! ). A friend found a second one for sale a couple of months ago on the side of the road,i couldn't give him the money quick enough! Those deals when you cant give the guy the money quick enough, i love those deals as it usually means a good deal! I have a heap of NOS sorted already, all the hard stuff. I beat you to the last set of shrouds too Hoony! Sitting in the dead stock list on the north QLD coast,do you hate me now (rub, rub)
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Evo, you got it in one mate, (what did you restore ?) and i agree about the power valves too as i restored an 86' 250 and that took some time. lots of time just going over the linkage rear ends, cleaning, greasing etc. Yes i do enjoy riding the 500 on the tracks that are fast and sweeping, but to be quite honest i reckon my lap times are probably much faster on a 250 than a 500, but to me i don't care as the 500 has the adrenaline factor and i no longer chase trophies, i just want to ride these days.
Brad, yep i have been chasing that elusive RHS Radiator shroud for over 18mths now, i managed to get a LHS but missed out from CMNSL by who else but Magoo would you believe. now Brad what if i Name my next child due in April after you, can i get that shroud ;D
i thought i had one coming ex USA but it was listed as ex stock incorrectly. my best hope is if one of our US forum members can do a NOS search at a dealer for me.
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jeesus hooney when are you gunna finish this honda ::)you better do it soon or this post will blow out big time ;D
it ran last time i started it ;D
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Hey Holeshot, i reckon i can beat the 75,963 posts on a 5 min YZ125H. its a 2 part resto. tidy up and all mechanical except engine in early 2006 and engine only in 2008 it was raced for 2 seasons in between.
i assembled engine today. will pop it into the frame next week.
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the assembled engine ready for frame reunion.
after sandblasting the cylinder and head (it was a dark blue, yuk) i am thinking i might just blast my cltuch cover now, will think it over the next day or so.
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here is a before shot with the horrid blue color (apologies to those with full stomachs)
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The waterpump housing looks in good shape. How do you keep on top of it?
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yer id like to know the same thing....does the the water pump corrode like the cr250re that ive always been hearing about....
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actually it was this good when i got it, where everything else was stuffed. it did have a leak wednesday before CD4 and that sent me into panic mode but a devcon number fixed that.
i have only had to repair my Cr's 3-4 times in 20+ years. the worst was when i had a motor on the bench for a whole year and then some before i pulled it down, it was very badly corroded. i reckon if you don't flush the case out and the air gets to itthey will corrode fast and badly. i don't bother to drain mine when not in use and have not had too many drama's luckily.
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I have been told to drain it by some, and to keep putting fresh coolant in every 6 months by others as it goes off. Which box would you tick Hoony and others?
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i just leave it in. my 250 hasn't been ridden for at least a year now so i will pulled the cover off for an optic soon and report back.
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thats what i plan on doin to mine when it turns up this week...i was thinkin, drain it after every ride and put fresh stuff in every six months...
I have been told to drain it by some, and to keep putting fresh coolant in every 6 months by others as it goes off. Which box would you tick Hoony and others?
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Yes draining is the the only and safest option from stopping corrosion , because of the magnesium content of the cast. But put a tag on the throttle , (no coolant )
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thanks for the link Paul, unfortunatly the 125 shrouds don't fit. its a one model only shroud i am after 1985 CR500RF (84' & 86 are different)
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finished off a few small things and put engine in , but i have to make up 2 new head stays as original 85' models are different, just found this out.
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lookin good hoony keep the pics coming in......im picking up my 500 beast tomorrow, all im thinkin about right now is that first test ride,got any special tips on how to hang on... ;D ps luv that calender in the background...wish that bloody subframe wasnt on. :)
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That's great mate, i want to see some pics and an update on the frame issue (welding). they are a wild ride, can't wait to get it going and have a blast again.
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Leave the water in with a good inhibitor. If it has no water it will corrode.
My81 CR125 was left sitting since 83 started maybe 10 times in that time span
restored in 06/07 inside the pump,rads was like brand new.
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got me bike hoony ol mate...why didnt you tell me these things lift up the front wheel in every gear....my god what a weapon....i wonder if the boys wanna use it in the pre 85 shootout....well it was made before 1985... ;D
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you didn't waste time taking it out for a Blat then Andrew (like a kid at xmas, huh). sounds like its got a nice strong engine then. as a matter of interest how does it compare to the 84 you have as i have never riden an 84 model.
How did the welds look that concerned you?
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yer i couldnt help myself i just had to take her out for a few quiet laps....was grinnin from ear to ear.....but this morning im not real happy with it cause ive given her the once over again and ive found a small crack in the side of the motor beside the sprocket covered up with silicone of some sort....looks fixable but its gunna cost some moola $$$.have to pull the motor out of the frame and tear it to bits and get it welded up...while im at it im going to clean up the welds underneath the frame and might paint it as well... seat needs some attention too ...new cover and probably foam ...gee this is gunna bust me... :o you might be interested in my shed heres a pic ..
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nice shed alright, i see the 500RE is getting some work done as well. better fish that one first before you start another. i have original Honda parts book (1984-1987) and workshop manual (1984-1987) for them so email me if you need any info.
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andrew didnt you sell they yz
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nice shed alright, i see the 500RE is getting some work done as well. better fish that one first before you start another. i have original Honda parts book (1984-1987) and workshop manual (1984-1987) for them so email me if you need any info.
yep the 500RE shocks gettin a major rebuild at the moment and yes i will try and stick to it and finish it off before i start gettin stuck into the 500RF...thanks for the offer on the workshop manual ive got a clymer 1984-1987 but i might have to get some info off the parts book when i start the 85....
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andrew didnt you sell they yz
mmm im not gunna stir things up today ol matey paul... :) ;)
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what do you mean :o
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well id like too sell her cause im startin to turn red...but its a nice lookin bike and all........... ::)
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hey hoony imagine pulling up in the pits at cd5 in this thing with a trailer load of red bikes.... ;D
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well for me i can only Imagine pulling up to the pits at CD5 as i will not make this one, been to all the others.
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I got this seat cover today from the mob in en zed. I cant remember their name. Looks the goods, i got gripper on top as i found myself slipping off the back(imagine that!). I am going to get a trimmer to put it on better 'cause i suck at it. This thing has my '84 500 front end and rear wheel on it as it had upside downs on it. I wanted to ride the vets at the moderns and i sold my modern.The only other thing i did is put a nos rear guard on it as well.
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G'day Brad is that your RF (with gold excels) or RG? Nice bike mate
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Shes an RF. The wheels are off my RE. I dusted the motor on the RE500 and now ride my RD 480 in pre '85, so the poor re is in pieces, waiting in line patiently
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what happened to the RE? i have never ridden an RE how do they compare with the RF? i think you posted once that you prefer the 480RD over the 500RE it that right or did i see someone else post that.
Reason i ask is i am thinking about one of the 2 air cooled pre 85's
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I didn't oil the air filter properly, left a dry spot. I still cry myself to sleep. I do prefer the 83 as it has a broader powerband. A few pinging issues with the 84 as well.
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nice 500RF 090...mine needs a lot of more work to get it lookin as good as yours.... sorry about sneakin that one in before you on the eco seat covers.... ;D
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Thanks Andrew.Hope you dont mind Hoony(hijacking the thread), i just took a couple of the 480. Talking about the 500 re, i reckon that the DG pipe might make it even more peaky, the band just seems real narrow. If i ever race the 84 again ,i will probably get GMC to make me one that broadens it out more.Other than that shes still a great bike.
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i own both a 500RE and 500RF...i found the 84 motor a lot more smoother and easier to ride than the 85...mind you i only rode it once and then parked her...shes gettin a few things done to make it a little better to ride..eg shock rebuild,frame welded and painted,new seat cover(this one didnt come from eco) ,clutch and so on....... and there was no pingin what so ever that day i rode it...nothin like my old yz490K anyway...mind you i absolutely luv the power of the 85 its a very very powerful bike...power ive never ever experienced before on another ride .... :o
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highjack as much as you want guys i am enjoying the talk of Big reds. seems we all have 85's in common, as 090 said "with an 85', you know your alive", but they are very ridable, short shifts are a treat, and even if my reaction time is not so good i allways get good starts.
the 480 looks the goods Brad. i am tending this way at present am will take some time to think it over as i have a lot of things on the go at present non bike related.
Whats wrong with the clutch Andrew?
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when i first took it for a ride id pull the clutch in, snick her into gear then she would start chuggin..wantin to go....got talkin to the local bike mechanic about it the other week and he said it would be a worn clutch basket..so i did the right thing myself and had a look and yes he was right..the basket has grooves all worn through it...and some hair line cracks... :o is there an after market type of clutch you can still get for this model..im thinkin barnett clutches,EBC or maybe honda oem might be the go...cheers :)
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the hairline cracks are a worry, are you sure they are cracks and not casting marks? if the grooves are not too bad you can file them out/down carefully and get some more life out of the basket. uncommon for a 500 to have them i would think as it is usually the way with 125's and 250's (fanning the clutch ) yours may have done a lot of work maybe.
aftermarket baskets are available (Hinson is another brand) but pricey.
do you have a pic to post of the basket?
OEM price would at a guess be $600-700.
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sorry hoony no pics...i forgot there was another reason why i had it apart..the kickstarter return spring wasnt on the shaft..when id kick her over she wouldnt pop back in its place..so i decided to just fix that and slap it all back together and see how it goes..the clutch cable was completely stuffed too,the owner had a joiner half way along it cable tied together so i chucked that one out and put a new one in its place ..that might get rid of the chugging also :-\ just super keen to get another ride on her again....but i know for a fact i will have to get a new clutch basket....$600-$700 for a oem no way.... :o
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update after some shed time today.
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i like the boysen flywheel cover hoony..makes it look real factory 8)..that spring you have on the shock looks like its aftermarket...is it a white power job... i might have to get some part numbers off you soon too from that book..ive gone over the 500RF and ive found a few things that need replacing, ill have too start hunting down...when the 84 is finished of course... :)
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i bought the boysen cover because its metal and not plastic like the standard one, yes the shock is a white power.
no worries with the part numbers andrew, email me or phone me when you are ready mate.
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Hi Hoony
Looks like your 500 is coming along nicely, tell me where can get a pair of those fork seal covers that would suit my 250RD?
cheers
Woody
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stuff on ebay;
Honda CR Series Sale Brochure In Good Condition Item number: 190194133539
HONDA CR250-500 1986 THRU1997 REPAIR MANUAL Item number: 120214334526
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G'day Woody, yeah i reckon the fork seal wipers are better than the boots. 43mm wipers i have on mine are OEM Yamaha 1986 YZ250S Part # 1LX-23144-LO but beware the Yamaha part is $36 each and they are a single item so order 2.
as for the stuff on Ebay thanks for thinking of me but i have that stuff already. i think there may have been an OEM owners manual for your 83' bike there a week or so ago.
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hoony.... were there any cracks in this 86 model frame...do you know the history of it before you claimed her ....was it a local vicco bike or you got it from another state...shit im startin to sound like tony barber on sale of the century..... ;D ;)
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pro accessories in QLD sell Mitaka brand aftermarket clutch baskets
http://www.proaccessories.com.au/products/mitaka/clutch.htm
hinson - 1 left at denniskirk.com $228 USD
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp;jsessionid=OASFKGWXPIFPRLA0WTVSM4VMDK0NCIV0?store=Main&skuId=380860
im sure theres other brands too
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hoony.... were there any cracks in this 86 model frame...do you know the history of it before you claimed her ....was it a local vicco bike or you got it from another state...shit im startin to sound like tony barber on sale of the century..... ;D ;)
Hey Tony, err Andrew ;D no cracks in 86' frame i got it on ebay ex usa over a year ago, i had lots of pics to view before i bought it, it is very low hours, hardly any scuffs from boots etc, i assume it was a donor bike for the engine only. as for its history i do not know. mine could have been repaired and still can be and i am sure yours can be as well.
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Hoony it looks like it wont be to long away before your ridding this beast. ;D ;D 8)
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yes, just waiting on wheels now and another bit from "The Institute".
getting toey for a blast.
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absolutely luv this pic of big red comin on song out of a slippery turn... 8) reckon its so cool ..it came from the nz website livewire vmx....
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well here's another for you. Malcolm Watson CR500RE at Outtrim Track Viper season 2004
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cool anymore hoony... 8)
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maybe, i will have a look later.
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A better picture of Mikes CR500
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wow thats one smick 500 and i think its an 85 too.....no cracks underneath that frame hoony.... :o
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Just showing you how a CR500 should be ridden ;) ;D
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Both the CR500's are '85 models.
Mike doing a bit of blasting. I hope it gets you all fired up Hoony ;D
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after lookin at these pics hoony will have that resto finished by the weekend i think... ;D
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Put the down time to good use Hoony and start doing plenty of push ups and chin ups ;)
cause you'll need it.
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hmmm, don't psyche me out Lozza, what you got in that bag of tricks?
Push ups and chin ups........ Never! :o
Nice shots DJ post up any more if you have them, boy those tracks look great.
Andrew it will be a week away yet, i won't get my wheel till Monday 11th, and a top secret showbag from lozza soon ;)
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a top secret showbag.....has it got HRC in blue and red on the sides of it. ;D
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DJ,
You tell your dirt bike thug mates, if I ever catch them riding in my back yard again, I'm gunna cut their nuts out. ; ;)
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What? You gotta golf course in your back yard???
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Wow i've said it before about the awesome tracks but that bloke is havin a ball just shredding that paddock imagine if he was on a decent bike like a YZ465 .????.
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settle down Hilly, good to see you in the house of Red.
you get that DVD today?
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decent bike and yz465.... thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one!
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Hey 090 we have got a oxymoron at work ,we use to weld up the honda frames .
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cheeky bloody bugger, my first roost is reserved for your YZ400E when i lap you at wonthaggi.
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Are you the moron on the end of the oxy.. ;D geez you set yourself up there!
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Hah very funny 090, Cmon Hoony finish this thing will ya . Maybe during the rebuild you should a starter lug and we could use one like they use on Drag bikes to start it .
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one of these units hilly !
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Yep that's just what you will need . I got a coil for Lana's bike $15 + $10 postage , i'm gonna fit that up tonight and then whack Emma's CR80 back together and then get the IT465 goin just in time for Wonthaggi . Dont think i'm gonna let you lap me without a fight . I just gotta find a huge 17" back tyre now.
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Sounds good Hilly let me know if we were on the money with Lana's bike and it was the stator coil.
did you get the rebore from dandy rebores for Emma's CR?
Club meeting next week if you can make it.
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Got my wheels back today, just need to put some tyres on and in they go.
Should be able to fire here up on the weekend (if there is enough daylight hours ;D)
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Shit hot hoony the new coil fixed Lana's bike and Emma's CR is just getting a light hone and a new ring , Feb 17 dirt track practice maybe to run her in ?
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Mission Complete.
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sorry for multiple posts the pics ar too big to place in one post.
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Very neat Hoony,it looks mean from any angle.
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Hang on hoony its going to hurt :D
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Good job Hoony , just hang on .Thats the same model we sold to Sydney . We made a high low speed shock for it. Has anyone seen it around the tracks ?
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I've been flicking between your original page 1 photo and the finished project.
Excellent work Hoony, well done! 8)
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Excellent Job. Looks fantasic. Well done Hoony.
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Good job Hoony. I'm going to start looking for a CR500 for myself later in the year.
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Nice one Hooney,
Looks Tops,
I've been away for a while guys and missed all the posting. I wouldn't back stepping a bit
On the magnesium water pump housing decay thing, I always thought it was more erosion from the force of the water/coolant circulating rather than a chemical corosion thing.
Also Hooney (and others) did you dissasemble the tranny shafts completely to inspect or can you inspect them assembled.
About to tear into my 93 CR500 for a total rebuild. I will need help I am sure so will probably start a thread on it too.. Where can I buy an aftermarket Flywheel puller? Honda want my left nut for one of theirs. :o
Later guys
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Look's great Hoony. Should give that montesa a run for its money :D :D
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Good job Hoony. I'm going to start looking for a CR500 for myself later in the year.
Might be a bit early to fit in with your plans Firko but this looks like a decent bike maybe worthy of a bid.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-CR500R-1986-VMX-AHRMA_W0QQitemZ220200404077QQihZ012QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Thanks for the kind words guys, appreciated.
That's a very clean bike you spotted there Quicky. had that been available 2 years ago i would have bought that one.
early CR500's that clean don't come up that often.
Firko, what model are you tending towards the Aircooled 1984 CR500RE ?
Utsman, i did check my tranny apart and found a 1 shim washer the wrong size and one missing.
i checked the shift forks for wear as well as the selector drum. i had ridden the bike numeruos times so i knew it shifted well.
Honda gearboxes from this era (1984 up) are very strong. i have had a the same CR250 since 1987 and its done a lot of work (MX, dirt track, desert races and lots of 2 day trail rides with a big tank some years back) i have rebuilt bottom end probably 5+ times never had to replace any gearbox items other than bearings.
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hoony shes everything i expected it to turn out like....one very nice lookin 500...how about that other 500 on ebay at the moment i just wish it popped up two weeks ago...anyway it will probably go for song ...mmm around $5000 would pull her up id say what do you reckon... :) hey whats the go with firko wanting a CR500 ..it was only the other week he was calling them old school ;D ;)
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Great job mate, it looks the goods! Only thing left to do is get her dirty. If you need a hand......
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Hi Andrew,
i reckon that CR on ebay will go for around $3600. being a pre 90 bike it will not be in demand as much as say a 1984 model. i know of one (84 model) that went for $4k last year it was not showroom floor immaculant, but a very clean, spend no money ready to Race bike (that's how i like them).
yours will end up just as nice too, i have no doubt.
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nice job hoony (for a honda) pity my kx500 would chew it up and spit it out ;D
anyway its about time you finished it ::)
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C'mon Hoony how did ya go , have you got it running ?.
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no, not as yet. won't make it to broadford, viper social day working bee is on this sunday not next sunday as i thought.
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dont worry hoony your not the only one thats havin problems tryin to get big red started..it must be that time of the month for the old girls... ;D
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i have just managed to track down a pulse coil and it should arrive mid next week. this hopefully should solve my no spark issue, its got me stuffed as it ran before i pulled it down. i have swappped the CDI and Ign' coils that i have spare to no avail.
Anyone really good on bike electrics? i have checked resistance of all coils and they are all within spec, output of alternator is ok. so this is why i suspect a pulse coil.
Anyone know how to test a 2 wire pulse coil other than resistence check ?
are they a like a proximity switch ?
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a pic of another big red at full song.... :o
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quote of the day from my 5 year old son when i was workin on my CR500RE yesterday...mind you when he said it he was sittin on his pw50 practicing pullin supermans and can cans right beside me...(dad why do you always buy wrecked bikes) cheeky little bugger... ;D
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hey hoony check your getting a good earth.
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Hoony did you fall for the old powder coating trick? Scratch some paint of somewhere and very likely you will get earth and spark ;)
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Best earth is to run a separate wire from the coil to the stator plate.Off the trigger a 0-4V peak signal is OK
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Thanks Guys for the input, yes i have a good earth and no i did not powercoat frame.
pulse coil should arrive on wednesday so i will have another crack at it then. A big pissed off at present and i will wait for my frustration to subside before i attack it again.
Lozza, thanks mate i will check output for 1-4 V (i assume this is an AC voltage)
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here hoony this pic might cheer you up mate.... :) its david baileys factory honda RC500 84 model...
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Sorry to high jack , but I have this Suzuki Ignition Test Kit that we never use .
Any one interested ? I am open to offers.
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Normaly DC*, How about a swap for a carton Walter ;D ;D ;D
* Relying on my dodgy memory
Here are the specs for a CR 480 will be very similar
Trigger coil Blue to green wires, 21-25 ohm, 5 Vpeak
Low Speed coil white to green wires 100-120 ohm 120 Vpeak
High Speed coil White to Red wires 21-25 ohm 15 Vpeak
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forken thing.
pulse coil arrived, still no spark. it has to be the stator breaking down as i have spares for all other items.
Boy am i pissed off. i will have another go tomorrow when i cool down.
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Whats the plan now Hoony ?. I'm just about to start loading the trailer for broadford hope the rain holds off.
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Dont ya just hate electrics. I hope you get it going soon Hoony.
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how did you go hoony...you get her goin...im not goin near mine until i get some new boots..after kickin the beejeezuz out of mine last weekend me boots just fell apart... ;D
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no joy as yet guys. i have sourced a stator from ebay and hopefully and i maen hopefully i will get it from the US by next weekend as the Viper Social day is on. if not i will ride the 250.
I am very dissapointed at present, i either have 2 faulty CDI's or its the stator. time will tell.
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Good luck Hoony. I wish I knew how to use an electrical meter and could test these things, but my brain power lacks full throttle. I think I would need to spend a day watching someone and writing down what they do and how the the whole damn thing works.
I can understand how a 2 stroke motor works because I can see it in motion but electrics are a different ball game, a bit like auzzie rules??
Life is sweet until you get hit with electricity. :o
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C'mon Hoony whats the latest ???.
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hilly i drove past his house and there was a lot off yellin going on in the shed
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/197.jpg)
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then i saw a van pull up .there was a sign on the side SPARKS R US AND THE WALK IN CARRYING THIS
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/WireMess2.jpg)
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THERE SOMETHING STRANGE GOING ON AROUND HERE WITH POWER THIS JUST HAPPENED
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/300px-90112_Electrical_Components.jpg)
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Hilly, i get the stator today from Clarkie (long story) so if i can get some shed time tomorrow in amongst the paperwork i have to do it may be a goer. :)
Paul, what can i say i have been caught out.
nice one sport, i had a good laugh. :D :D :D :D ;D
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I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD CHEER YOU UP A BIT ;)
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Hey Hoony,
Just finish the F@*#k'n thing will ya
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woo! nice bike... i tell ya which ex race bike that looks like.... david armstrongs factory honda CR500 for the 86 mx des nations.... :)
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hey hoony when you finally get this red bike going
is it going to run like the yz125 for 5 minutes and then stop ::)
you just want the record :o
bills cr has new rad shrouds maybe if i steal them and send
then down we can finish this post :'(
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bills cr has new rad shrouds maybe if i steal them and send
then down we can finish this post :'(
Now your talkin' Pacman Buddy :D that bike of Big Bills is A queen by the looks of it so those shrouds are wasted ;D
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Hey Hoony,
Just finish the F@*#k'n thing will ya
i want to keep this thread alive so members don't have to drop in the Suzuki "Footpeg Fetish" club for a VMX fix.
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I'm startin' to feel ya pain brother....... :(
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HOONY IWAS GOING THROUGH SOME PARTS TODAY AND FOUND THIS ,I THOUGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/sparks-teslacoilnet.jpg)
A GREAT BIG MAICO SPARK .YOU ARE VERY WELCOME BUDDY USE IT WITH PRIDE
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yes i think the Suzuki Footpeg thread will become as famous as " the Great Pine Cone Debate"
Disclaimer i have nothing against said suzuki footpegs and this is light hearted humour only, i myself have a inkling towards piston circlips
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HOONY IWAS GOING THROUGH SOME PARTS TODAY AND FOUND THIS ,I THOUGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/sparks-teslacoilnet.jpg)
A GREAT BIG MAICO SPARK .YOU ARE VERY WELCOME BUDDY USE IT WITH PRIDE
Yeah Thanks paul, i'll take 1,345,906 of em to see my season out?
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I think those funny debates are quiet good , as long as they are in sensible humor. After a stress day I always look forward to catch up with the happenings of the site . Its always interesting to see what Paul or Clarence got up for the day.Especially when I am overseas its great to tune in at the end of the day and have a laugh. As long as it is not at the expense of someone , it cant harm the site or the sport . The world is so agro and in a fast spin at the moment , it want hurt to have a brief laugh. ;)The best things in live are ,at this stage ,still for free . After all footpegs , shocks or pine cones are not everybodys cup of tea.
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come on alan, where's the next update in the story? d'ya win with the spark stuff on the weekend? fill the garage with some noise and blue smoke?
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have sent all the electrics to CAES in Melbourne to suss out for me. a very slight chance of getting them back by easter if not after easter. i have exhausted all i can, i even took my 2 CDI's to a mate who has an 1984 CR500RE (similar CDI's a slight change in part #) and one of MY CDI's had an intermittant spark. i am guessing the CDI's are on the fritz. will update later.
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So Hoony what are ya riding this weekend . Red or orange ?. I think i have got all my bikes ready for the weekend at Erica should be good ,the weather looks alright shit hot.
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its looks orange from here mate, big red will have to wait.
Have a great easter sport, looks like a trail ride for me. it also looks like the 600 hornet will sell tomorrow so happy about that.
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whats orange
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C'mon Paul ya gotta have a backup bike when ya main is RED.
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get back in your Yamaha cave Hilly :D
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yeah but whats orange
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Oranges? Can-Am's? KT fuggan M's? Orrang-ga-tangs arses? Lots of things Paul..... 8)
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rossco you forgot your favorite !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sunny boys
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Hey Hoony have about the same luck you are having mate with you Electric's but it is gear boxes on the 84 500. 3 rides and 3 pull downs!!! >:(, it will be at CD5 but maybe just a display bike only
Shane
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spotted this really nice 84 CR500 on ebay in america..
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cool bike... :)
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Hey Andrew,
she's looking good mate, allready for tomorrow! have a great time.
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decided im goin to sundays event..ive heard that the track is under water today...so with this being my first ride in 8 years i thought it be wise to stay away from the slop, should be dry by sunday morning... its a shame because i was really lookin forward to the swap meet on sat morning.... :)
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Andrew, why don't you go anyway for the swap meet and take the bike as well, if its too wet leave it on the trailer mate.
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seat cover is on hoony...what do ya reckon of her... :)
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Its Red, Its a Honda and a 500cc. Whats not to Love about it.
very nice Andrew.
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bloody fix the photo so it opens to bigger pic - i want the drool!
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Ok Hoony what will make your day??
I know a photo of a truck full of Honda's ;D ;D
Enjoy mate
Shane
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Here you go Hoony this will make you feel better while you waiting for the sparks to return.
A 480 that has been 'modified' for dirt track(yet to get Walter to run over the shock though) it has 4 speed box 3 of them are uncontrolable wheelspin 4th is go very fast.Geared for about 180kmph, eats 450F's for breakfast and shits out their valves days later.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/002.jpg)
Yet to put the silencer or keepers on
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love it, what a snarling beast. that pipe is a work of art Lozza.
how about telling us all what mods have been undertaken!
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Here is another truck load of red ones.
found this one from the mid 80's,I always remember this photo,how new and clean they where.
Newman to Kumarina Roadhouse Desert Race WA.
Alison
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Hmm without giving to much away Hoony ;D
Carburetor is standard size modified but not 'bored out'
Reeds and cage, Carbon with modified reed cage(probably seen something similar)
Cylinder has some additional ports and transfer ducts have altered shape.Yet to move to a more top end bias in transfer durations.Modified exhaust duct.
Modified cylinder head
Pipe as you see to compliment the cylinder.
Ignition is standard but would like aftermarket CDI
Without a dyno it(according to the owner) sits between a 450F and a 650F(both Husabergs) power and torque wise.With igniton 60+HP would be easy.
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how many cr500 rebuilds are there this is one demon post ;D
we have a cr500 up here that puts out over 100HP :P
its used for the beach race in mackay psyco :o :o :o
will try and get photos it runs a huge downpipe
its that fast it might even beat a kawasaki ;D
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100hp???
You got a dyno sheet to prove that? Or did you pull that out of your backside???
I once caught a fish this big......
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cant wait to see the pic of that one...er not of your backside... i mean the bike.... ;D
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its true it puts out 100 big ones he has been developing it for years
with a lot of blown motors on the way 8)
he wins the beach race every year 8)
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Hmmm I've seen pics of that bike and we are not talking a great spread of power mind you.
I am trying to bend the ear of Calvin to get him to make a kit like this for the five hundy.These are for the TRX 250 trike these figures are NOT with methanol but petrol, no engines but a few gearboxes in pieces with the TRX.Another fellow in the US is adapting this cylinder to CR 500 cases.Used mainly for sand drags, it's the cylinder a CR500 should have ;D
http://saberracing.com/
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G'day Rossenheimer,
long story (of which i will tell you went we meet up) but its still a no go, it has been running intermittanly and i did attempt to take it for a ride the same weekend of CD5 but it would not start (it did the 2 days before that). i can only assume that the CDI has an intermittant fault
i am now awaiting a complete ignition (ebay purchase) from a running bike to arrive from Yankee Doodle land early next week. the CDI for my model is a one model only unit, although the 1984 is similar physically it has a different part number. not many on ebay come up.
Honda changed nearly all ignition components from 1984-87.
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it runs. ::)
see you at Yanakie Boys !
Lozza, will report back in time as promised.
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that's good hoony - we were all starting to get more than a little concerned that the beast was beating ya - not good for anyone's morale - now go beat it back!!!
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Where you find all the missing sparks? Down the back of the couch, bottom of the laundry tidy or did they roll under the tool cabinet??
Bet your a happy man ;D
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Hoony this saga has gone on longer than underbelly did on tv and I think if you did not get going soon just as many would have gone by the wayside as well ???
Enjoy that ride mate and keep us updated ;D
Shane
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yes Shane it has been many problems and drawn out way too long. it has suffered an intermittant fault in the cdi unit.
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It's alive ,shit hot will be good to see the big banger goin around .I messed up the directions Hoony but there on Viper.
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14+ pages !!!!!!!! Great work Hoony!!! and it is good about your bike running now too.......................... ;D
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A big Leyton "C'MON", Hoony the suspense is killing me ;D
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Hey Lozza it was goin that fast the brakes need work now !!!.
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HONDA-CR-500_W0QQitemZ270326204129QQihZ017QQcategoryZ102675QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
this looks interesting...one guys already made an offer of $5000 bucks.. :o
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wow $6000 is a lot of money for a 24 year old mxer.... :o
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Ya reckon??? ???, I have spent $15k on a 125 and its still in a thousand peices.. :-\
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wow $6000 is a lot of money for a 24 year old mxer.... :o
especially when its fairly rough too Andrew.
I asked him a few questions about the piston kit (if it was OEM), the ignition (if it was OEM) and shock (if it was just rebuild only) as he quoted these items as all new.
he didn't bother to reply!
i reckon its all a matter of timing with bikes when you list them as to what price they get. if there is no interested buyers then they may not sell at all.
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Yes Hoony a lot of bucks for a bike specially if a race bike as it stands because if the pre 90 movement gets up and running it is the oldest of that class, sure with a good rider on it it would still be a front runner but it is always just the starter bike of the water bottle era.
The other side of the ledger is if you just have a real drive to own one or as in my case with the Red Devil could not afford one new and wanted one now that I could, then the sky could well be the limit?
To each his own I always say, hey Hoony old mate want to unload that 5hundy of yours? give ya 10k for it ;D ;D must be worth that if he can get that for that one hey?? As yours is riden but a TV star! but would have to be autographed :D :D
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yer what i meant was its a lot of money for a ROUGH 24 year old mxer...
wow $6000 is a lot of money for a 24 year old mxer.... :o
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hey Shane, my 500 is not for sale at the moment or the near future even for $10k (have to type quick before Mrs Hoony reads that offer, that would buy a complete tupperware collection, heaps of doileys, and other Sheila stuff). anyway you have lots of other toys to play with.
maybe if you work on "The Brad-ster" he will part with one of his as he has 2 (the lucky bastard ;) )
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thought i would add too hoonys resurected post ::)
i have a NOS cdi for cr500 new in box for all the watercooled models
i can get part no of box if anyone wants
i want what it owes me $150.00 i got it cheap with some other honda stuff ;D
retail is prob 5 times that
just thought i would mention it its just sitting in garage and i do not neeed it ;D
cheers rusty
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Hey Holey did you grow a grey beard to go with the long hair and change your job discription to Santa over the break ;D ;D
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thought i would add too hoonys resurected post ::)
i have a NOS cdi for cr500 new in box for all the watercooled models
i can get part no of box if anyone wants
i want what it owes me $150.00 i got it cheap with some other honda stuff ;D
retail is prob 5 times that
just thought i would mention it its just sitting in garage and i do not neeed it ;D
cheers rusty
i may be interested if it fits my model Russ, 84/85 mount differently to the later ones. no rush when you get time mate.
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it looks like sir bradalot has pilfered it off me
sorry hoony :'(
shane my job discription is still the same
professional vmx racer looking for a team
cant be honda or maico ;D ;D ;D
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Only if Hoony doesn't want it Russ. Im not going to step on his toes.
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Hoony
I think you may understand my run of luck with a cr 500. I managed to find a nice 1984 CR 500 in the USA, it took 8 months to get a pink slip to leave the US. In the interim our currency went into a sharp decline relative to US dollar. Anyway the bike arrived, initially focussed on the suspension, got everything sorted. decided it was now time to start. Spark is weak and intermittent, it wil not fire up, I probably need to start from scratch and check all the connections, thereafter may need to have the coil tested. Any advice/ suggestions welcome.
crabman
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From my experience the stator seems to be the weakest link. Not to say they fail on a regular basis, just that the coil and cdi seem less likely to fail. Generally from water and gunk getting in. I would find out if the resistance readings are within spec.
The up side of having same/similar bikes, you can swap things over as i did. I took the stator out of my 85 500 and put in my 84 as it had the same issue and it fixed it.
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Thanks for the advice, got various Honda's that I can use \ Good idea
crabman
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G'day Crabman, what 090 said.
also they do have a weak spark anyway, make sure the gap on the plug is correct (from memory 0.030" i will check book) as this will also help.
in my case i had an intermittant fault with the CDI.
84' & 85' models are similar (difference part #) 86' on have different mounting (not sure if functionally the same, but i suspect not, as stator is also different) i had a spare i bought of ebay (seller said it came from running bike, but it was also stuffed, this caused me lots of grief as i assumed they both could not be faulty).
i was very seriously looking at a PVL for mine, but the cost was the issue at the time and another ebay item popped up for around US$100 and the exchange was good at the time. i had already spent way too much by this stage and i could not justify the extra.
good luck and report your findings here.
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I used an 84 CDI in my 85 model and ran great fyi.