Besides dumping the plastics will fit forum and missing the point I still know that for something to be worth $10000 as compared to something that is worth $5000 it has to be twice as good or almost twice as good, that would be like pitting a 200cc against the 490 maico, and I can assure you Maico boys the 465 aint no 200... I concede that the maico is better, but nowhere near the "twice as good mark." As for Dirt bike mag in the 80's they we so pro maico it was obvious to all. Those were the days when people were bored with Jap bikes and the yanks were cube crazy , so when a big cube euro bike came on the scene and it handled well, it created a overly enthusiastic report which a lot of magazine readers believed...