budget bikes?

[VMX247]

I know there is more to this topic budget bikes than just pre 65 but....................

http://www.pre65.co.uk/links.asp

interesting 

[Bamford#69]

Hi
Again I agree, but theres is no logic in having a class called Pre 65 if it doesn't in fact have only pre 65 bikes in it .
I think there are too many people who are trying to make the rules fit the bike, rather than building a bike that fits the rules , don't start to build a bike that requires some "creative interpretation" of the rules, oh
oh yes which page is 'In the spirit " listed , or is this the loophole for those who want to bend the rules , or are too lazy or stupid to do the job properly in the first place . If you really want to have a Pre65 race bike there are plenty out there, you dont have to remortgage the farm ,  but it does require some time and effort
cheers   

[Bamford#69]

Hi
What I was going to say was, the pre65 is unlikely to be a class for those who want to build a Budget racer , I'm not saying it cant be done , but the scarcity and obvious costs  of the bikes and their components from the "olden days" is still going to take a big bite  out of your back pocket,  even old f****d bikes or bits cost a lot to fix ,let alone make go fast .
Maybe for there should be a "bucket" class in pre 75 . there is a lot more bikes that fit that era.
cheers

[LWC82PE]

Again I agree, but theres is no logic in having a class called Pre 65 if it doesn't in fact have only pre 65 bikes in it .

yeap thats a really goog point!

Today i was doing some work on a Competition 500 AJS (replica, not genuine compy) which was one we did a while ago for someone who in the end didnt want it as he didnt ride it much and wanted to sell it. This was a no expese spared concourse resto $$$$$ but he couldnt sell it as the purists didnt want it as it didnt have the competition number on the crankcase, thats the only reason. So yeah couldnt sell it kept reducing the price and in then end when he was trailering it home from when we were trying to sell it for him some one saw it and asked about it and the onwer said its for sale and he sold it on the spot for about 4 or 5 grand which was way under value and the buyer got a absoloute bargain and the seller was just happy to have sold it all. Anyway when fitting new fork boots to it today as the others has split i was kinda thinking i wouldnt mind having a pre 65 class bike but i reckon it would have to be something japanese, dont know what choices there are in that department?

[Nathan S]

Very little... I looked around, and the most promising pre-65 Jap bike that I could find was the Yammie YDS1 roadie...

I took a $200 gamble that I can make it work at least passably well for grass-track MX: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=150345477458
Its actually the very-rare-in-Australia YM1, which I'm told makes more MX-style power than the 250cc YDS. The word from Lozza is "50hp and a lobotomy, or 40hp and torque to dig trenches to China", but seeing as I haven't even picked the thing up yet, I can't offer any useful advice.

If I was 20~30kgs lighter and a lot better rider, then maybe a little 90cc YG1 could be made to work for even less money???

I know that there's any number of pommy singles that will be a lot easier to get engine parts for, and will make much more MX-friendly power - but they're all a lot more expensive to buy, and invariably have RHS gear-levers.

[walloway]

I don't know whether this makes any difference to anyone but this bike I have is not aTR5T,it was built as using a genuine BSA B50MX frame  B50MX HF1**** and engine T100R DD4****. When it was built , I don't know,what class you can race it in, I don't know, I was going to put it on the road . If  no-one here wants it thats OK with me, just thought it was the type of bike you blokes were interested in.
Regards Don

[VMX247]

I don't know whether this makes any difference to anyone but this bike I have is not aTR5T,it was built as using a genuine BSA B50MX frame  B50MX HF1**** and engine T100R DD4****. When it was built , I don't know,what class you can race it in, I don't know, I was going to put it on the road . If  no-one here wants it thats OK with me, just thought it was the type of bike you blokes were interested in.
Regards Don

I don't know what class either -   Hope some one answers that one.
Don't be too concerned about the ramblings going on in here-we need counseling       
Hope you sell your  bike to a real good home. 
by the way where are you ??
cheers

[walloway]

south oz , Orroroo.

[VMX247]

south oz , Orroroo.

ah some more good country We have done the Oodnadatta Track and been across to Morgan twice for sidecar events.What bike do you usually ride ?
cheers

[LWC82PE]

if i wanted english i reckon i would go with a B40 or a bantam, not sure if the 175's were out before 65? A husky would be out of my price range i reckon. Pre 70 gives a lot more options hey

T100R daytona engine isnt pre 65 legal. i would have to check on engine number for you but most likely pre 75 or maybe 70

[jimg1au]

its a pre 70 class bike because of the frame.replace the frame with my bsa a10/b33 frame and you have a pre 65 leagle mx/dirtracker.all 500 and 650 twin unit motors are leagle as is the cz (non falta)forks and wheels.yet b50tanks are ok to use.i am building a pre 65 dirtracker as per the rules not the it could be theory.
cheers
jim

[VMX247]

I was going to go for a little Bantam and was told it wouldn't pull the skin off custard 
Getting an over load here-      all good info though 
Not that I'm after a Aussie title ,just want to have a chuff (so to speak) now and then 
cheers

[jimg1au]

triumph engines all except t140.tss.t160,t150&bsa unit single derivatives.ma words not mine

http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=General_competition_rules&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=41129

read the gcrs and get the rules
cheers
jim

[firko]

if i wanted english i reckon i would go with a B40 or a bantam, not sure if the 175's were out before 65? A husky would be out of my price range i reckon. Pre 70 gives a lot more options hey

T100R daytona engine isnt pre 65 legal. i would have to check on engine number for you but most likely pre 75 or maybe 70

The T100R is quite legal for pre 65. My own T100r was a '59 model. Al Bantams are legal for pre 65. Validated by MoMs.
Walloways bike is pre 75 legal as it's a B50 frame and they weren't released until 1971.

[LWC82PE]

ok i was thinking of the Unit daytona motor from early 70's