What are we doing wrong in NSW?

[holeshot buddy]

some of the things we do up here in qld
are we get ses volunteers to flag
and we pay them
works great they all have a radio and when they have all called in clear
we let next race go
the other thing is we race but we dont race
in other words for fun no lapscorers no trophys
still gate start or bungee and still checkered flag
only exeption state champs and conondale classic etc
last club day 130 riders 195 bikes
cater for all classes pre70, womens, through to pre 90
depending on numbers
maybe you guys in nsw need to find new tracks
closer to sydney maybe try approaching land owners
we pay our landowners app $500 for a meeting
most jump at that
i think what magoo is saying is why nsw has flattened out
in vintage when vic and qld are booming and what can be done to fix it
fair enough question

[Tossa]

These same old committee die hard's can be burnt out and obsessive people across VMX Australia.
Which can seem/appear and is very threatening and off putting for all the new people to entry.
This is where you have to stand up just like the Anzacs and be counted and have some b.....
Fight the good fight for VMX 
cheers

So right!!!!!

As VMX247 knows in the west the club has asked members to nominate one meeting during the season that they will flag, and so far has been excellent.  We of course have the diehard volunteers like Alison and others, who are out there come hell or high water and are brilliant.

I wonder about the comment of not having a track within one hour and half from Sydney is a bit misleading, as far as I can remember you would still be in the suburbs of Sydney if ypu had to travell from one side to the other.  The VMXWA home track is a minimum of 2hrs south of Perth, with others closer and some further away.

Clubs can only be run by those people willing to give up their time to do this and all clubs end up with a core element that they depend on to come through.  It is a pity but I don't think that has changed over the years.  A club is only as strong as it's committe, volunteers and members.  Strength is given by direction and the exchange of ideas, not dictatorship

Racing Pre75 and Pre 85 on the same track has it's own inherent problems, other than redirecting the track at certain points to allow for obvious differences, appears to be the only way to go.  This talking over a whole season, not just one meeting, as the degredation is an acumulation of several meetings'

I myself have done something ridiculous and nominated to ride in the Pre 75 class at the manjimup 15,00 against pre 85 bikes, in between modern bike races.  How stupid, I will finish last, die a violent death as a pre 85 bike runs over me in one of the holes left by the modern bikes.  All gifts and flowers can be sent to the Manji Hospital to'that stupid old fart'

But I am doing what we all do, bloody enjoying riding VMX

[Rosco400]

maybe interclub DT and MX with Penrith, Hunter,and Heaven for a try just for locality reasons, Kurri has a MX/minibike track and a DT complex and a speedway track currently under construction, all extra options and extra tracks, also by mixing the clubs up, each club would not have to flag at others events taking a bit off the committees from each club, or maybe I should shut up

[RM Ted]

There are heaps of tracks close to Sydney and Canberra. IE: Mt Kembla, Nowra, Picton (grass), Canberra, Oakdale, Appin??? all within 2 hours that I know of.

[jimson]

Clarkey do they race vintage at nowra ? I thought it was just set up for modern bikes.jimson

[VMX247]

Clarkey do they race vintage at nowra ? I thought it was just set up for modern bikes.jimson

Nowra-hey I was just reading about this track in ADB Vol 1 No 1
Do they allow women to attend,race,flag or shoot photos . 
Probably not a good write up for today's magazines     
cheers

[JohnnyO]

They're nearly all modern tracks aren't they?

[RM Ted]

They dont race vmx but they have a good Amcross track that is good for vmx. As for modern tracks Kembla is used for modern and vmx??? Maybe someone from the Heaven Club could look into it???

[VMX247]

They dont race vmx but they have a good Amcross track that is good for vmx. As for modern tracks Kembla is used for modern and vmx??? Maybe someone from the Heaven Club could look into it???

you could maybe look into it and then give the Heaven president a ring   
no harm in askin 
cheers

[Rosco400]

Heaven already uses/used Kembla, it is probably more modern and although not totally pre 78 friendly, it is ridable even tho a few members will not ride there on the early bikes due to it can break frames and shocks on the early stuff, more a pre 85 track

[suzuki27]

The idea of approaching landowners for use of a paddock for $500 sounds pretty good. I regularly look longingly at some nice bit of cow country and think about riding on it. How does the MA/ insurance side of things work. Does the track have to get MA approval first ? Do the regs' in this regard change between States?

[VMX247]

The idea of approaching landowners for use of a paddock for $500 sounds pretty good. I regularly look longingly at some nice bit of cow country and think about riding on it. How does the MA/ insurance side of things work. Does the track have to get MA approval first ? Do the regs' in this regard change between States?

Level three Steward  can inspect the natural terrain/paddock/cow country.
All states should be the same under the governing body of Motorcycling Australia.
Event insurance would be covered by MA with MA offical's/paperwork in attendance.
cheers

[VMX247]

l would like to see a State of origin, that each state has their riders team as a 4 man team, pick their colours, and class, and have a round in each state. and a grand price at the end of the series that will go to their club, which will be a sheild, Huh? and sponsore gifts will go to the winning team. points are added up at the last round.  open for ideas

This could be run in conjunction with the Nationals..........
cheers S&A

[Nathan S]

*click*

We're doing nothing wrong in NSW. Sure, some things could be improved, but there's no magic button that will fix everything - because we don't need anything more than a tune-up.

Warning: Immininent use sweeping generalisations, particularly using the word "we"!

The problem in NSW is that we all want everything to suit us 100% perfectly, 100% of the time. And we tend to stomp off in a huff if we don't get it. And we aren't even willing to accept that other people's nirvana might be different to our own, so compromise is not even on the agenda.
We 'enjoy' the politics, the power squabbles and the act of 'making a stand' far too much - for too many of us, they've become their own source of perverse enjoyment, and we have lost sight of the common goal.

This is not intended to be a shot at anyone in particular, and everyone (including me) is guilty of it to some extent. But for a variety of reasons, NSW is the worst for it (and not just in the world of VMX - it really seems to be a sad part of our state's identity!).
Have a look at the history of these forums - people from other states all seem to be able to keep the big picture in sight, whereas us NSWelshmen seem to be the ones that are super-quick to get nasty.

So changing the tracks, the people on the committees, or the phase of the moon might help, the real 'fix' has to come from all of those people who would prefer to leave their bikes in their sheds than spend a couple of hours with a flag in their hand (or whatever else it is that they dislike so intensely that they aren't involved).

Disclaimer: I know some of the history, and I know why some people got the poops. I also reckon that I'd have responded in a similar way, in some of those cases. But at what point do you let go, and move on with your life? At what point do the original problems slide into irrelevance, and your behaviour/attitudes become the damaging ones?

[albrid-3]

This is what l did when l was looking for a track for vintage., l would go to a small town that has a school, fire station General store, may have a caravan park Etc. Talk to the owner of the general store asked a couple of land owner, tell them that it will be used for one meeting only per year, offer them some money for the days lease, tell that its all above board their will be a 20 million dollar MAV Insurance cover, the canteen can be run by the schools or Fire Bridgade, the corner stewarts are volunteers by the service clubs, rotary etc, they have free lunch, gold coin donation at the grate. or pay for the program, the host club will need to advertise in the local newspaper, and do a poster run to near by towns. Make the track like a Europeian Track, local ambulance or st john on the day also free lunch. And after the day is over thank everyone you will then have a track every year after that. all is well service clubs make money, club makes money, Farmer is happy,all happy. That is how the Classic Scramble Club has been so successfull all these years. Be a Team Player. regards David.A