When can I come to CD?

[John Orchard]

297 sure Led Zeppelin couldn't play at Stereosonic, kids wouldn't go for it just as a B50 riding at a modern motocross event but as an older music/motorcycle enthusiast I'd be happy for Tiesto to slip in a couple of sets at a Led Zeppelin concert.  So .... although I started riding in the early '70's I can still appreciate the hard work of another enthusiast that has rebuilt their '99 dirtbike.

I guess it all boils-down to a numbers game; if 'Pre 85' has the numbers in the upper region to be able to manage a good event, then so be it.  If padding events with 'Pre 90', 'Pre 95' & 'Pre 00' to make a good show, I am all for it.

If CD & BBB can happily run as 'Pre 85' then it is up to others to get the more modern classes off the ground (as Viper has done).

[firko]

It's pretty simple to me.....The Classic Dirt management have no problem filling the entry quota with pre 85 bikes so there's no need for them to introduce pre 90 at the moment. Pre 90's time will eventually come but until then just enjoy it for what it is, the best fun weekend on the calendar.

[IT400C]

what's to be gained by waiting?

what's to be gained by rushing in?

[Billet YZ]

Anyone know where the great OZVMX forum went ??    Fark me 3 pages of non helpful dribble, sorry just my opinion.      Peter. ??  ?

[Nathan S]

Firko,
Was CD9 fully subscribed? I thought it wasn't.

what's to be gained by waiting?

what's to be gained by rushing in?

More participants, inclusive vibe and a healthier sport.

I also dispute that it would be "rushing in"...

[firko]

Was CD9 fully subscribed? I thought it wasn't

I'm not 100% sure Nathan, I thought it was, maybe Ken can tell us. Even if it wasn't fully subscribed I think the new venue would have been the main factor. The previous Conondale CD's were more than full without the need for upping the cut off date to take up the slack.

[bazza]

Would the track be cut up more by the newer bikes? More bikes and longer travel?

[IT400C]

Firko,
Was CD9 fully subscribed? I thought it wasn't.

what's to be gained by waiting?

what's to be gained by rushing in?

More participants, inclusive vibe and a healthier sport.

I also dispute that it would be "rushing in"...

I'm yet to see any great groundswell of support for the change that would lead in any way to "more participants, a more inclusive vibe and a healthier sport"...

From where I sit in Queensland, we already have enough participants, the 'vibe' is inclusive enough, and the sport seems pretty healthy already.

And judging by the support shown to certain high profile Post Classic events by the Pre 90 crowd, I can't see that including Pre 90 (or Pre 95) would in any way be add to the health of the sport..

[IT400C]

oops - I'm starting to sound like Davey Crocket...

I feel the need to shower....   

[Nathan S]

Would the track be cut up more by the newer bikes? More bikes and longer travel?

More bikes, yes (of course).

Pre-90 bikes have no more travel than pre-85 and most Evo bikes.

There's been a pre-75/78-only track at the last four CDs - the one at CD9 was badly cut up by lunchtime on Sunday...

[Nathan S]

I'm yet to see any great groundswell of support for the change that would lead in any way to "more participants, a more inclusive vibe and a healthier sport"...

From where I sit in Queensland, we already have enough participants, the 'vibe' is inclusive enough, and the sport seems pretty healthy already.

And judging by the support shown to certain high profile Post Classic events by the Pre 90 crowd, I can't see that including Pre 90 (or Pre 95) would in any way be add to the health of the sport..

You can't possibly argue that less riders and less vintage bikes makes the event healthier.
Surely?

Also, the sport in Qld happily embraces pre-90.

[Montynut]

You are loosing momentum Nathan You still have 16 pages to go to break your record

[IT400C]

I'm yet to see any great groundswell of support for the change that would lead in any way to "more participants, a more inclusive vibe and a healthier sport"...

From where I sit in Queensland, we already have enough participants, the 'vibe' is inclusive enough, and the sport seems pretty healthy already.

And judging by the support shown to certain high profile Post Classic events by the Pre 90 crowd, I can't see that including Pre 90 (or Pre 95) would in any way be add to the health of the sport..

You can't possibly argue that less riders and less vintage bikes makes the event healthier.
Surely?

Also, the sport in Qld happily embraces pre-90.

No, what I'm saying is that I see no need to make what would be in all probability be a very contentious decision to include Pre 90, just on the off chance that we pick up more entrants than we lose...

And Pre 90 is only included in select Qld events where there is demonstrable support for it, not across the board.

[Nathan S]

Why is it even vaguely contentious?

Pre-90 is in the rule book.
Pre-90 is in the magazine.
Pre-90 hurts nobody at a non-competitive event.

There is not one single logical argument against it, especially when you're using the argument that "hardly any pre-90s will turn up".

[Nathan S]

You are loosing momentum Nathan You still have 16 pages to go to break your record

Not at all - my patience for slapping down red herrings exceeds anyone's supply of red herrings.
 

To repeat myself (and so everyone to stare at their feet again until they think I've forgotten I asked): It's the magazine's call, but I'm just not sure how excluding pre-90 bikes helps the event, or the magazine?