What is the Black Cavier equivalent vintage (old) motorcycle on Flat track

[Curly3]

Faaaaark, wrong side of the bed.
It was a joke and aimed at Jimbo.

[firko]

Faaaaark, wrong side of the bed.
It was a joke and aimed at Jimbo

Well that's not how it looked to us outside of the in joke Steve. You have voiced that sentiment before so it was natural to think that you mean't what you wrote. All good 

[Curly3]

That's what this meant  but fair enough, apologies to Brett who actually started the topic.
I've never said I don't like the Flattrackers, quite the opposite, what I did say was that the bikes that were the Gun thing of our early Short Circuit history like Duplex Beeza's were being forgotten.
Anyway we all have our passions, mine is Short Circuit history.
All good.

I would suggest the big XR Harleys from the 70's are the Black Cavier of Flattrackers.

P.S. There is a difference between voicing a sentiment and jumping down someone's neck. 

[Hoony]

Not sure if it is from this bike , but I know a bloke that has a very similar 850 engine fitted in a Wasp . Sounds very sharp and snappy  .
Engine number   *  NW 0126*  . Maybe that helps ?

are you sure its a V twin walter? the 850's i thought were parallel twins.

[gdr]

After looking at Ivan Mauger's gold plated bike you know what you can do with ya flat trackers.

[oldyzman]

Greame, Sincere question, Does "short circuit" cover both?
Brett

[Curly3]

G'day Brett and sorry for the topic hijack, it went in a direction I didn't expect.
As I've been told, " Short Circuit " came about because there was a lack of suitable road racing tracks back in the day which is why the early tracks were quite long compared with todays tracks.
DT is our modern day name and Flattrack is basically the US equivelant.
So in answere to your question, in Australia, DT, Flattrack & Short Circuit all fall under the same explanation.
Then there's, Longtrack, Shorttrack & even Track racing.
If you're confused then so am I sometimes.  

[Husky500evo]

I probably should apologise for wading into this thread, without properly reading the heading and the first few posts. The pictures I posted were of dirt track and speedway bikes and I should have put up a pic of King Kenny Roberts TZ750 flattracker, which I regard as the T-Rex of flat track.

[Curly3]

We all know of the immaculate Black Betty.
Introducing, Black Cavier.

[matcho mick]

fug that,4 cylinders,i'll take the goldie anyday,(prolly have to fight pancho off with a big stick but  ) 

[pancho]

 Hey Slides, back in the olden days when I first started short circuit racing the most desirable machinery out there was the 'Goldie'!
 Even though the occasional J.A.P. would take home the 'aces invitation' prize or some such, the facination of the Goldie and the 'Tweety bird' note on (back off) had us in awe.

  And me sitting on the sprung seat of a beat up old rigid Ajay.
 cheers pancho.

[firko]

Here's the twin brother to my new Shell 750 Yamaha. An identical bike to these ridden by Kenny Roberts was the bike that ended years of Harley domination in 1973/4. The Yamaha light shone briefly but to do it with what was essentially a tricked up streetbike engine that was 10hp down on the factory Harleys was an amazing achieviment so I think it is the Black Caviar of flat track. I can't wait for mine to get here.
                                                            
                                                                            
                                                                                                  The actual Kenny Roberts bike in street trim in the UK ...Sacreleige!
                                                            

                                                                                                  My Shell 750 in forground

P.S. There is a difference between voicing a sentiment and jumping down someone's neck.  

fair enough, I didn't mean it to sound cranky Steve, I wasn't,  I just misunderstood your post. Apologies.
                                                            

[Curly3]

All good Firko, no offence meant or taken, between us hopefully we can make a difference.
In reply to another Flattracker thread, I'd have no drama's with the Flattrackers being included in the Slider class if it help's achieve a full grid. I'm sure I've even suggested that prospect somewhere else, they are basically another breed of Slider.

[Husky500evo]

Forgive my ignorance on the subject of US flat track, but am I correct in saying that whenever a different make of bike began dominating the Harleys , the rules were changed to either ban them (as in the case of the Roberts TZ) or move them to another class (as with the Rotax powered bikes) ? I think that the Rotax powered flattracker in this pic, shown as an example, was John Kocinski's race bike.   

[Curly3]

Now sounds like the Yanks attitude to a sport they dominate, move the goal posts.
America's Cup ring a bell?