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Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« on: December 25, 2012, 06:37:59 pm »
Looking at getting into pre 60. What type of bike am I looking for?
First off, left hand gear change is preferred but no essential. What is though is if its rh gear change, must be a four stroke. Must be one down the rest up. A Jawa with the kickstarter being the gear lever is out as the gears are ass about.
Regarding suspension type, wheels etc, I'd like to know what is legal.
A pre 60 cz would be good if anyone has one, preferably late 50's.
Cheers.

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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 06:50:53 pm »
Good idea you need to do more classes..

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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 07:02:33 pm »
Good idea you need to do more classes..
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 06:29:23 am »
dave 6 had one he bought
 it was a road jawa converted to mx all bikes will be a road converted to mx.he sold it a while back.
should not be hard to build one but it will cost.
just buy a bsa gold star dbd 34 500cc you wont look back 15-20k
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 08:33:40 am »
airel still pop up from time to time and were used in the day
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 09:03:59 am »
Pre60 CZ is same as Jawa so you're stuck with english diesels in reality, pretty sure the pre-unit gearboxes are also down for up gearchange as well

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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 09:22:08 am »
 No matter which gear change set up you end up with you will soon get used to it, main problem is if you try to ride two different types at the one meeting.
 I get a bit tangled these days with my two bikes on short circuit (dirt) but in my old days at Moorebank I rode 250,350, and 500cc classes with three different set ups!.
 These days I couldn't cope with that.
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2012, 09:30:47 am »
, pretty sure the pre-unit gearboxes are also down for up gearchange as well

Pre unit Triumph gearboxs are up for up, as are the early unit 500s, 500 Tribsa would be nice.
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 09:36:41 am »
With the unit singles its an easy job to reverse the shift from down for up to up for up by turning over the shift plate . Dont know about pre unit gearboxes though  ???

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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 11:29:20 am »
Jeez Brad, you better get onto the Tour de France lollies if you want to race every class on the program ;D. However, the pre 60 class has for a long time been the poor bastard son of the sport but for some weird reason there's a bit of movement out there in Mancave City with a number of pre 60 class bikes being resurrected or built from scratch. For a while I've had a nice ex USA flat tracker Triumph T100SC engine which was originally intended to replace the pissy 250 Ducati single in my Hindall but my mates have rightly talked me out of that little deal on the grounds that I'd be buggering with the only Ducati frame Harry Hindall made. So, when Jonesy started to build his big dollar 1959 GP Monark I decided to build the opposite, a low budget pre 60 TriBSA using a different than traditional set of components. Housing the Trumpy engine is a BSA C15 frame, with Norton Roadholder forks, BSA Goldy front wheel and a Harley Davidson Sportster back wheel. It'll be topped off with a BSA B44 GP tank and the usual alloy guards. I'm hoping to have it up and active by the Nats in November, or if I'm industrious enough, the Canowindra HEAVEN round in October.

But, enough of my project and on to some suggestions for you Brad. Your need for a left foot change or conventional one down, four up right hander has made it a tad restrictive but I think I've found one that might just fit the criteria.....................

Honda CB72 250/CB77 305 .
This engine is the basis for countless road racers in it's early-mid sixties form but the pre 60 version while being a bit different can be easily upgraded internally to the latter specification. Even though the engine features a conventional left side, one down three up shift pattern the big no-no for many is that the very early Honda Dreams had a rotary gearbox where if you're not on top of what you're doing you can up change from top back to first with the dual consequences of an over the bars experience and a catastrophic engine over-rev causing all sorts of haemoraging (see DTs AJS photos for details). Luckily Webco made a neat little blank off plate of which I have one so if you decide to go the Honda route...I'll gladly supply it as a template to make one. Tons of go fast goodies are available for these engines thanks to the road racers, even down to genuine factory race parts such as 5 speed gearboxes and exotic clutches. The road racers have achieved serious horsepower from these motors and the 305 can be bored and stroked to 500cc. Aussie Tony Gill actually won Classic Daytona on Billy Snellings 500cc Honda CB77 10 or so years ago.
The CB72 frame is pressed steel backbone with tubular rear subframe with the motor as a stressed member. Some serious frame strengthening is needed or, fit the engine to a BSA or similar Brit frame.
                                                                               
                                                             The class 1959 model CB 72
                                                             
                                                              tHE '67 CL scrambler version showing the stronger frame based on the earlier version.
                                                                                                               


1959 Greeves Hawkestone:
                                                           

or..a GRUMPH....a '59 Greeves with a unit T100 Triumph motor:
                                                           

OR, Combine all of the above and fit a Honda motor in the Greeves frame!
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 12:11:15 pm »
Jeez Brad, you better get onto the Tour de France lollies if you want to race every class on the program ;D.

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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2012, 01:11:27 pm »
Husqvarna,not as common as Tour de France lollies !!
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 05:40:41 pm »
Im not sure but I seem to remember the Indian Enfield is ok for pre 60 and pre 65 .
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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2012, 07:00:21 pm »
Im not sure but I seem to remember the Indian Enfield is ok for pre 60 and pre 65 .

and surely they must have the shifter on the left for ADR??

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Re: Pre 60 bikes. What are the choices?
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 09:56:53 pm »
Thanks Firko. Great stuff. Now I have something to aim for.
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