VIPER: Take 2

[motomaniac]

I problem with the hold issue is that their are to many events on each year and it needs to come back together as a one unit. ( Victorian State Vmx Championship.) IT would stop all the bickering and riders and people would start to get more interested in the whole series again.

That might be true Dave but I dont think( actually I know)  that most of the riders who have dropped out of the VIPER series in the last two seasons haven't gone across to one of the other series. They have just chucked it in all up or have gone modern or vinduro.
Of course if the three series combined there would be more numbers but since they each cater for mostly different era's it would be a hard task and individual class's would still be rather small.I dont know about your series but the two class's that VCM and VIPER both run ,Evo and Pre78 , are pretty much the same riders doing both series.

[BAHNZY]

I problem with the hold issue is that their are to many events on each year and it needs to come back together as a one unit. ( Victorian State Vmx Championship.) IT would stop all the bickering and riders and people would start to get more interested in the whole series again.

According to the websites of the three (3) respective organisations noted below, they cater for specific age groups of machinery. It would be of interest to understand what year EVOLUTION was added into the race schedule for VCM?


CSC - CLASSIC SCRAMBLE CLUB
The club was formed by a number of like minded riders who saw the need for a club that simply catered for riders of classic scramble bikes namely pre 60 to pre 75 bikes.

VCM - VICTORIAN CLASSIC MOTOCROSS
With backing from Motorcycling Victoria (MV), the Victorian Classic Motocross Committee & the Victorian Classic Motocross Register (VCM) organize with clubs around Victoria to hold a round of Classic Motocross. The racing is open to bikes from Pre 1965 up to pre 1978 and including Evolution
Note: The 2011 VCM entry form has no reference to Pre65 classes, only Pre 1970 up to pre 1978 and Evolution.

VIPER – VICTORIAN PRE-85 & EVOLUTION REGISTER
VIPER is dedicated to developing and promoting a formula for EVOLUTION & Pre’85 racing. This involves setting guidelines for bike eligibility, class structures, managing points tallies, coordinating promotions for the series, etc

[motomaniac]

VIPER – VICTORIAN PRE-85 & EVOLUTION REGISTER
VIPER is dedicated to developing and promoting a formula for EVOLUTION & Pre’85 racing. This involves setting guidelines for bike eligibility, class structures, managing points tallies, coordinating promotions for the series, etc

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How can VIPER  stand for the above when they didn't have an Evo class until 97?
I not sure about the pre 85 class either.
VIPER , when I first went to a meeting ,I thought stood for Vic Pre Eighty Register.It was formed when enough people wanted to ride pre 80 and the Original pre 75 guys didnt want them.No one had ever even heard of Evo class in the beginning .The idea for Evo came later from the US.

[motomaniac]

I problem with the hold issue is that their are to many events on each year and it needs to come back together as a one unit. ( Victorian State Vmx Championship.) IT would stop all the bickering and riders and people would start to get more interested in the whole series again.

According to the websites of the three (3) respective organisations noted below, they cater for specific age groups of machinery. It would be of interest to understand what year EVOLUTION was added into the race schedule for VCM?

Not long after they changed from the "new era" class to pre 78 , 2008 I think.

[BAHNZY]

VIPER – VICTORIAN PRE-85 & EVOLUTION REGISTER
VIPER is dedicated to developing and promoting a formula for EVOLUTION & Pre’85 racing. This involves setting guidelines for bike eligibility, class structures, managing points tallies, coordinating promotions for the series, etc

1. How can VIPER  stand for the above when they didn't have an Evo class until 97?
2. The idea for Evo came later from the US.

The shift in VIPER nomenclature from;
Victorian Pre-80 Evolution Register
(to)
Victorian Pre-85 Evolution Register
came about when MA adopted the Evolution & Pre85 regulations into the GCR’s

[Canam370]

Yep, VIPER was Pre-80 originally and EVO kinda grew in as classes moved on. Can't see any drama including Pre-85.

[motomaniac]

Yep, VIPER was Pre-80 originally and EVO kinda grew in as classes moved on. Can't see any drama including Pre-85.

Yep KC , I  didn't realized that the " nomenclature" had officailly changed ,I wonder when it changed from pre 80 to pre 80 and Evo.Seems that since Viper officially embraced the GCR's in 2008 then it should have been then although VIPER itself had Evo and pre 85 long before then and before the GCR's,as it now has pre 90 but the GCR's dont. No drama but its significant how VIPER is changing.Especially with recent calls to add even more modern class's and perhaps ditch pre 78.
Over to you "thread killer "

[BAHNZY]

The thing to remember was that VIPER was a break away group formed to accommodate a new, younger group of riders that wanted something more than what was on offer at the time, i.e. the Pre60 to Pre 78 classes and weren't interested in racing modern bikes. What was formed was the Victorian Pre80 & Evolution Register, i.e. VIPER.

When VIPER moved the class structure from the predominately Pre 80 structured format to the MA MOM GCR's Evolution & Pre85 it meant that the inclusion of Pre80 in the acronym no longer had any relevance.

To recognize the shift from a Pre80 & Evolution competition, the VIPER committee, which i was a part of at the time, changed the acronym to Pre85 & Evolution in 2007, the same time that Pre80 was cut.

[motomaniac]

The thing to remember was that VIPER was a break away group formed to accommodate a new, younger group of riders that wanted something more than what was on offer at the time, i.e. the Pre60 to Pre 78 classes and weren't interested in racing modern bikes. What was formed was the Victorian Pre80 & Evolution Register, i.e. VIPER.

Yes VIPER was a breakaway group but as was confirmed by CanAm 370(who was also around at the time) it was originally pre 80 without Evolution. There were only pre78 ,(which weren't on offer at VCM they had a "New Era" class which allowed a few very early long travel bikes mainly from the 75 and 76 years) and pre 80 in VIPER.There was 3 graded class's ,clubman,intermediate,expert and they also ran a 4th pro class at least once.
As I already said the Evo class didnt eventuate until 1997.I think Tony McMahon might have been the one who put the idea forward.His Retro Racing shop was a focal point for vmx and I remember lots of discussion going on after Evo was introduced.He wanted Evo to replace pre 80 like we have now.He was importing Vintage Iron products and had lots of contact with Rick Doherty who ran Evo class's in his series in the US.At first the Evo class was a single all powers class that instantly became the "Elite" class .Some very good riders like Scott Henshaw who won the 250 pre 80 and Brendan Roberts who won the over 300 pre 80's the year before ditched those class's and saved themselves to battle in the Evo's.

The following year (I think)a vintage support class,which was Evo, was included at the Thumper Nats.Which saw some great 3 way duels between Henshaw, forum member Johnny O and Geoff Holmes.
By the way does anyone remember the year that VIPER offered a free trip to the US for the winner of the Pro or expert Evo class ?Noel Clarke won it from memory.

ps "Thread Killer" you are loosing your touch

[Canam370]

Sorry Moto, maybe this'll do it!