VIPER: Take 2

[bigk]

I don't want your trophies Ross, and if all it takes for you to crack it is a bit of difference of opinion, then maybe FDR is right. Calling interested people f*&king tossers because they have differing ideas is childish & ridiculous. No-one on here "gave it to you in the neck", some just offered different ideas to yours. Aggro has no place in this discussion and you're the only one guilty of it so far. From what Gazza posted it's probably all over anyway which would be a shame. If indeed VIPER moves forward, we'd love to see good Ross there, the guy I know face to face. Bad Ross, the guy on the end of the keyboard can stay home.
K

[bigk]

Why is everyone jumping ship? No-one has been criticised for their effort, it' just time for a re-hash to bring the riders back. The ideas have been good, the questions fair & relevant. What's the problem?
K

[Tex]

From where I sit it looks to me like Mont was attacked as soon as he posted his suggestions (take another look at the thread he started). While I didnt love all of his ideas at least he was getting some discussion going. What good is chasing someone away who was keen enough to get the ball rolling?

And no, I don't know him...

Tex

[motomaniac]

Why is everyone jumping ship? No-one has been criticised for their effort, it' just time for a re-hash to bring the riders back. The ideas have been good, the questions fair & relevant. What's the problem?
K

Bloody good question , Bear and Tina , Ken and Dawn were the only crew that I was aware of on the committee although I wasn't sure in what roll. So my question now is there a committee ?Is there anyone who is either existing on has recently nominated themselves?I was told that plenty of people had come forward , who??
Thanks to Bear,Tina ,Ken and Dawn for all the time and effort over the years.

[D project]

When Bear was asking for help for 2012, I put my hand up to take over from Andy.Mainly to do the points for the website and also to look after the trophy side of things.
That still stands for whatever happens with Viper this year! I thought it was time to try and put back into something that I get so much enjoyment out of.
Re the classes, as one of the 3 in the pre 85 125 class.I think we all had a ball and was the closest contested class.
I would rather race any day, than just go to a practice day.You still have to do the same work to your bike before or after.
If you had to combine classes then yes maybe open it up to a pre 90 125. When they first had the 125/250 class,similar thing there were only three or four, now on a good day we would have the biggest class.Most of us regulars have a few bikes for a similar age span. As was said was said before maybe a questionaire to all members,with what they would like
Pros and cons.To get new riders you need to encourage a slightly younger age group who would be riding the pre85/90.
I think it would be great if we could have a beginners class,so that all the people who are maybe thinking of having a go could try it out (yamatragic) . Let them go out and practice and maybe at the end of the day grid them up for a race.At least they could see what it's like to ride on a proper track!
So anyway,whichever way it goes I am more than happy to help out however I can.
Jason Ladson.

[Gippslander]

Have been a Viper member for 1 enjoyable year, the only time I cringed was at a rider's briefing when one fellow kept baggin' the host club about their track, was factually correct but really rude (in hindsight I smile about it), overall it was enjoyable and really well organised, so it's sad to see some good and helpfull people saying that maybe they have had enough.

This and the previous thread is members trying to help and improve, and just like the fella who made me cringe perhaps some things could have been put a bit differently, but that's to be expected when old heads communicate by stabbin' buttons.

Perhaps we do need a meeting, maybe not many will turn up, but for sure those who do turn up will be trying to improve things.

[marshallmech]

Hi all

 As the outgoing secretary of Viper after resigning at the presentation night after 5 years on the committee,
 I thought that it was time for some new blood.  But I did say that if things
turned to shit I would possibly stay on. The committee has dwindled over the past
few years to the point of two people doing most of the hands on work.
If Viper is to survive we need a proper committee to start with .
1/ President
2/Vice president
3/Secretary
4/Tresurer
5/Race coordinator. Ken and Dawn said they will take this on and have locked in 2 dates so far, dont know if they are still willing to help.
6/Newsletter
7Web page person Ross had agreed to do this but I dont know now.
8/Person to do points and trophys. Jason Ladson had agreed to take this on and still will it seems

So if your all serious about keeping Viper going send me a PM and I'll try and get a meeeting or AGM sorted
at a place central for all interested.
Come on guy lets get together in a constructive way and keep Viper going.


Andy Marshall

[gdr]

Meeeting sounds good,as after the personal attack from you a carnt wait to see you face to face.
Grant Dodd snr

[marshallmech]

Grant if you thoutht the pM I sent you was a personal attack post it up for people to see and judge for them selves.
This is the sort of shit that we dont need and as of now I am not interested at all and offically DONE.
I have all Viper bookwork so whomever takes it over can contact me for it.

Andy Marshall

[BAHNZY]

The comment “No-one has been criticised for their effort, it' just time for a re-hash to bring the riders back”

Well I think that;
“Mont I hope to hell that you have no say in Vipers future”
“the web site is a joke”
“Personally I can't see VIPER change without a serious attitude adjustment by everyone involved”

may well fall into that category.

To answer the comments;
Who are the relevant people? and another one :- what are they planning and are they aware and involved in this discussion?
(&)
I think there is a new committee this year so let’s all get behind them and help when we can.

I think that you’ll find they are the hard working and time generous people that battled through last year along some new faces that were prepared not to be a "seagull" in an attempt to hold it together for 2012.

They are also the ones that have resigned from VIPER via this thread.

[marshallmech]

I have been asked to put this up bye another Viper member
Sum suggestions on how I thought the classes could run.
These are suggestions only.

Viper classes
 Evo Pre 85 pre 90 125cc  each class scored separately
Evo Pre 85 pre 90 250 cc  each class scored separately
Evo Pre 85 pre 90 500 cc  each class scored separately
Viper expert all powers
Viper non expert  all powers
Evo 45 plus all powers
Pre85/Pre90 45 plus all powers
Juniors this is mainly for the host clubs people to have a ride
Modern same mainly for the hosts clubs people to have a ride
Pre 78 to keep? Could be included with other classes
4 strokes to be in with bike years not a separate class


These are just a thought of how it could be.

[gdr]

Sounds good

[Gippslander]

Will be there.

From where I am cannot really do any organising so I await a meeting place/time.

If I can do anything please PM me and ask, will do what I can.

[SUZUKI311]

Andy, that sound good, what about including 45 years plus pre 85 allpowers? And do we need to consider a 45 + pre90 all powers,do we know how many 45+ members would have a pre90 ?

[marshallmech]

Just added a couple of bills suggestions.
This could also leave room for a hybrid class or somthing else?
Maybe a mini bike class or 80cc pre85/pre90/evo class
Just throwing ideas about.



Andy