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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #315 on: July 14, 2011, 01:19:20 pm »
How many readers remember their science classes at school?
Did you know that if SEA ICE melts then the sea level goes DOWN.

Get a glass of water , chuck some ice cubes in it, mark the level on the glass and check it when the ice has melted. :o
The more ice the better the effect. :)

The experts forgot to mention this effect or didn,t learn it.
It's not the sea ice that is an issue. It is the vast amounts of sheet ice on the Antarctic land mass, some a 100metres thick over an area nearly the size of Australia.

I can't remember the actual stats but the amount of fresh water locked up and how long its been locked up is staggering.

There are already some measurable changes happening. Exactly what is happening no one is quiet sure, there are contradictory things happening. Sea ice is disappearing in one area of the Antarctica and growing in another, by 'viable from space' dimensions.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #317 on: July 14, 2011, 04:42:59 pm »
Oh and they have carbon tax in the EU don't they?
But not in Germany Moto.

What? Germany is a original member state of the EU experiment .They are under EU legislation on this and everything else.How could they be exempt?


http://www.taxationinfonews.com/2011/03/germany-lost-eur-850-million-to-carbon-tax-fraud/
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #318 on: July 14, 2011, 04:53:40 pm »


Her place wasn't the only one like it - another friend still speaks with amazement at having to argue with the house salesman to put more than foil insulation into their house. They moved in five(?) years ago.


There's no argument if its not in the contract. People get what they pay for and alot of people just look for the cheapest offer they can get without looking at whats included. A contract is a work place agreement between the employer (owner) and the employed (builder) it s like work choice's and it happens everyday . A builder will gladly supply additional material and labour - its all work , he gets paid for whatever labour and has a small margin on supplied materials .If an employer/owner wants something that wasn't originally agrred on then its just taken food from the employee/builders table.

seems like your ALP/Green coalition up there is a bit slow on the uptake of little Johhny's energy rating initiative

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« Reply #319 on: July 14, 2011, 05:38:35 pm »

http://www.taxationinfonews.com/2011/03/germany-lost-eur-850-million-to-carbon-tax-fraud/
This just gets worst by the second. I didn't know these details but I predicted being ripped off by one means or other, by one group or the other. And it will be the 'little man', the little Aussie Battler, the working Family Man, who will get stuck with the bill, and a lower standard of living.


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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #321 on: July 14, 2011, 07:02:49 pm »
Oh and they have carbon tax in the EU don't they?
But not in Germany Moto.
What? Germany is a original member state of the EU experiment .They are under EU legislation on this and everything else.How could they be exempt?
http://www.taxationinfonews.com/2011/03/germany-lost-eur-850-million-to-carbon-tax-fraud/
http://ep.probeinternational.org/2011/02/18/aldyen-donnelly-british-columbias-carbon-tax-quagmire/
About half way down the story points out Germany,s lack of a carbon tax Moto.
To powerful to accept it ?
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #322 on: July 14, 2011, 07:23:02 pm »
Oh and they have carbon tax in the EU don't they?
But not in Germany Moto.
What? Germany is a original member state of the EU experiment .They are under EU legislation on this and everything else.How could they be exempt?
http://www.taxationinfonews.com/2011/03/germany-lost-eur-850-million-to-carbon-tax-fraud/
http://ep.probeinternational.org/2011/02/18/aldyen-donnelly-british-columbias-carbon-tax-quagmire/
About half way down the story points out Germany,s lack of a carbon tax Moto.
To powerful to accept it ?
might be a matter of who you believe, Germany was the first country with some form of tax against emissions , its wasn't called carbon tax exactly.Anyway I believe my first link and this one

http://www.feasta.org/documents/review2/ecotaxes.htm

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #323 on: July 14, 2011, 07:34:55 pm »
might be a matter of who you believe, Germany was the first country with some form of tax against emissions , its wasn't called carbon tax exactly.Anyway I believe my first link and this one
http://www.feasta.org/documents/review2/ecotaxes.htm
I am impressed how they did it, very cunning .
That might almost be accepted here.
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #324 on: July 14, 2011, 08:34:17 pm »
might be a matter of who you believe, Germany was the first country with some form of tax against emissions , its wasn't called carbon tax exactly.Anyway I believe my first link and this one
http://www.feasta.org/documents/review2/ecotaxes.htm
I am impressed how they did it, very cunning .
That might almost be accepted here.

I agree . I don't understand how the author in your link can say that they have no co2 tax - matter of interpretation?

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« Reply #325 on: July 14, 2011, 08:47:07 pm »
Looks like Juliar has been to the Bob Hawke school of public simpathy.
Boring and transparent.
Bring on the next election I say, hang on, what is the alternative?
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #326 on: July 14, 2011, 08:47:24 pm »


Her place wasn't the only one like it - another friend still speaks with amazement at having to argue with the house salesman to put more than foil insulation into their house. They moved in five(?) years ago.


There's no argument if its not in the contract. People get what they pay for and alot of people just look for the cheapest offer they can get without looking at whats included. A contract is a work place agreement between the employer (owner) and the employed (builder) it s like work choice's and it happens everyday . A builder will gladly supply additional material and labour - its all work , he gets paid for whatever labour and has a small margin on supplied materials .If an employer/owner wants something that wasn't originally agrred on then its just taken food from the employee/builders table.

seems like your ALP/Green coalition up there is a bit slow on the uptake of little Johhny's energy rating initiative

No, this was at the 'negotiating the spec' stage. The salesman was happy to add the extra garage space and a few other details. Then they asked about what insulation the house would have, and were told that the foil crap was plenty.
They're both long time Canberra residents, and laughed at the notion of minimal insulation, but the salesman had to be pushed to tick the box... "nah, waste of money. Reverse cycle air con, you don’t need it".

FWIW, their block was too small to orient the house to face north. The sun belts in on Summer afternoons.
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #327 on: July 14, 2011, 08:53:09 pm »


No, this was at the 'negotiating the spec' stage. The salesman was happy to add the extra garage space and a few other details. Then they asked about what insulation the house would have, and were told that the foil crap was plenty.
They're both long time Canberra residents, and laughed at the notion of minimal insulation, but the salesman had to be pushed to tick the box... "nah, waste of money. Reverse cycle air con, you don’t need it".

FWIW, their block was too small to orient the house to face north. The sun belts in on Summer afternoons.
Okay , then that gets back to my original point that the leg was brought in mainly because of volume builders cutting corners on first home buyers.I sympathise ,I know what those sales men can be like.Hear similar stories all the time.
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #328 on: July 14, 2011, 09:25:12 pm »
I know what those sales men can be like.Hear similar stories all the time.

Thank goodness we are all down to earth saviee vmxer's  ;D and belong to the good era  :P  ;)
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #329 on: July 22, 2011, 10:58:24 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKyDaWmiNiU&feature=player_embedded ;)

But of course it is an Aussie idea ideally suited to Australia but taken up by the Yanks :-[