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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #330 on: July 22, 2011, 03:10:18 pm »
Cool… or should that be HOT!!!

Clever, simple and scalable.
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« Reply #331 on: July 22, 2011, 03:48:44 pm »
It could be part of the solution. It won't work at night unless there is a cheap and effective way of storing the energy for night time consumption.

Most certainly would be good through summer when the big draw on electricity is air conditioning. The demand and supply would then coincide.

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« Reply #332 on: July 22, 2011, 06:51:25 pm »
It could be part of the solution. It won't work at night unless there is a cheap and effective way of storing the energy for night time consumption.
You are not thinking it through.  It is the HEAT that is radiating upward. At night the earth is still hot and re-radiating heat out of the ground. Even at night, or in the rain, this would still work. Interesting.

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« Reply #333 on: July 22, 2011, 06:55:41 pm »
They were knocking up a small pilot plant in NSW/VIC somewhere. Wonder what happened to it ? Was a while back  and I,de forgotten about it.
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« Reply #334 on: July 22, 2011, 07:34:05 pm »
It could be part of the solution. It won't work at night unless there is a cheap and effective way of storing the energy for night time consumption.
You are not thinking it through.  It is the HEAT that is radiating upward. At night the earth is still hot and re-radiating heat out of the ground. Even at night, or in the rain, this would still work. Interesting.
Yeah I'm aware of all that but I'm also aware of the amount of energy we are talking in terms of. I know there would be a Heat Sink effect, and I know as the earth cools the air will also cool (it's heat differential that makes it work). The effect would continue after sunset but I wonder how long the effect would last - there would be a corresponding warm up needed in the morning.

If it works it would be the Bees Knees for Australia - hot climate, lots of space.

Apparently it's been experimented with for 30 years. Hasn't been ruled out and the Yanks are getting behind it now. If our governments showed an ounce of leadership this type of technology should have been thoroughly investigated and supported rather than take the 'do nothing' or wash the hands of the problem leaving it to Market Forces.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #335 on: July 22, 2011, 08:02:01 pm »
They were knocking up a small pilot plant in NSW/VIC somewhere. Wonder what happened to it ? Was a while back  and I,de forgotten about it.

yer it was in the Mildura area.In the 90's.

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« Reply #336 on: July 22, 2011, 08:15:06 pm »
It could be part of the solution. It won't work at night unless there is a cheap and effective way of storing the energy for night time consumption.

Most certainly would be good through summer when the big draw on electricity is air conditioning. The demand and supply would then coincide.

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« Reply #337 on: July 22, 2011, 10:10:34 pm »
Bloke I used to work with was investing in this in the early-mid '00s. AFAIK, they were going to build the real thing somewhere near Albury.
The he got crook and retired, so I haven't heard any more.
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« Reply #338 on: August 04, 2011, 11:45:57 am »
It pays to check out Tim Flannery's predictions about climate change:
 Andrew Bolt the herald sun.

 
"Tim Flannery has had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking human-made climate change will destroy Earth, says Andrew Bolt.

TIM Flannery has just been hired by the Gillard Government to scare us stupid, and I can't think of a better man for the job.
This Alarmist of the Year is worth every bit of the $180,000 salary he'll get as part-time chairman of the Government's new Climate Commission.

His job is simple: to advise us that we really, truly have to accept, say, the new tax on carbon dioxide emissions that this Government threatens to impose.
This kind of work is just up the dark alley of Flannery, author of The Weather Makers, that bible of booga booga..
He's had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking our exhausts are turning the world into a fireball that will wipe out civilisation, melt polar ice caps and drown entire cities under hot seas.
Small problem, though: after so many years of hearing Flannery's predictions, we're now able to see if some of the scariest have actually panned out.
And we're also able to see if people who bet real money on his advice have cleaned up or been cleaned out.
So before we buy a great green tax from Flannery, whose real expertise is actually in mammology, it may pay to check his record.

Ready?

In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney 's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".

Check Sydney 's dam levels today: 73 per cent. Hmm. Not a good start.

In 2008, Flannery said: "The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."

Check Adelaide 's water storage levels today: 77 per cent.

In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ".

Check the Murray-Darling system today: in flood. Check Brisbane 's dam levels: 100 per cent full.

All this may seem funny, but some politicians, voters and investors have taken this kind of warming alarmism very seriously and made expensive decisions in the belief it was sound.   So let's check on them, too.

In 2007, Flannery predicted global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster. As he put it: "Over the past 50 years, southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming ..

 "In Adelaide , Sydney and Brisbane , water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months."

 One premier, Queensland 's Peter Beattie, took such predictions - made by other warming alarmists, too - so seriously that he spent more than $1 billion of taxpayers' money on a desalination plant, saying "it is only prudent to assume at this stage that lower-than-usual rainfalls could eventuate".
 
But check that desalination plant today: mothballed indefinitely, now that the rains have returned. (Incidentally, notice how many of Flannery's big predictions date from 2007? That was the year warming alarmism reached its most hysterical pitch and Flannery was named Australian of the Year.)

Back to another tip Flannery gave in that year of warming terror. In 2007, he warned that "the social licence of coal to operate is rapidly being withdrawn globally" by governments worried by the warming allegedly caused by burning the stuff.

We should switch to "green" power instead, said Flannery, who recommended geothermal - pumping water on to hot rocks deep underground to create steam. "There are hot rocks in South Australia that potentially have enough embedded energy in them to run Australia's economy for the best part of a century," he said.

"The technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward."

Flannery repeatedly promoted this "straightforward" technology, and in 2009, the Rudd government awarded $90 million to Geodynamics to build a geothermal power plant in the Cooper Basin , the very area Flannery recommended. Coincidentally, Flannery has for years been a Geodynamics shareholder, a vested interest he sometimes declares.

 Time to check on how that business tip went. Answer: erk.
The technology Flannery said was "relatively straighforward" wasn't.
One of Geodynamics' five wells at Innamincka collapsed in an explosion that damaged two others. All had to be plugged with cement.

The project has now been hit by the kind of floods Flannery didn't predict in a warming world, with Geodynamics announcing work had been further "delayed following extensive local rainfall in the Cooper Basin region".
The technological and financing difficulties mean there is no certainty now that a commercial-scale plant will ever get built, let alone prove viable, so it's no surprise the company's share price has almost halved in four months.

Never mind, here comes Flannery with his latest scares and you-beaut fix.

His job as Climate Commission chief, says Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, is to "provide an authoritative, independent source of information on climate change to the Australian community" and "build the consensus about reducing Australia 's carbon pollution".

That, translated, means selling us whatever scheme the Government cooks up to tax carbon dioxide, doing to the economy what the floods have done to Flannery's hot-rocks investment.


See why I say Flannery is the right man for this job? Who better to teach us how little we really know about global warming and how much it may cost to panic?

 Incidentally he [Tim Flannery] is on $3,600 a week of our taxpayers money for working just three days a week making up more bullshit.

Please send this on and tell all Australians about these global warming imbeciles and in particular this number one idiot Tim Flannery. "
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« Reply #339 on: August 04, 2011, 12:21:31 pm »
It pays to check out Tim Flannery's predictions about climate change:
 Andrew Bolt the herald sun.

 
"Tim Flannery has had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking human-made climate change will destroy Earth, says Andrew Bolt.

TIM Flannery has just been hired by the Gillard Government to scare us stupid, and I can't think of a better man for the job.
This Alarmist of the Year is worth every bit of the $180,000 salary he'll get as part-time chairman of the Government's new Climate Commission.

His job is simple: to advise us that we really, truly have to accept, say, the new tax on carbon dioxide emissions that this Government threatens to impose.
This kind of work is just up the dark alley of Flannery, author of The Weather Makers, that bible of booga booga..
He's had years of practice trying to terrify us into thinking our exhausts are turning the world into a fireball that will wipe out civilisation, melt polar ice caps and drown entire cities under hot seas.
Small problem, though: after so many years of hearing Flannery's predictions, we're now able to see if some of the scariest have actually panned out.
And we're also able to see if people who bet real money on his advice have cleaned up or been cleaned out.
So before we buy a great green tax from Flannery, whose real expertise is actually in mammology, it may pay to check his record.

Ready?

In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney 's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".

Check Sydney 's dam levels today: 73 per cent. Hmm. Not a good start.

In 2008, Flannery said: "The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."

Check Adelaide 's water storage levels today: 77 per cent.

In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ".

Check the Murray-Darling system today: in flood. Check Brisbane 's dam levels: 100 per cent full.

All this may seem funny, but some politicians, voters and investors have taken this kind of warming alarmism very seriously and made expensive decisions in the belief it was sound.   So let's check on them, too.

In 2007, Flannery predicted global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster. As he put it: "Over the past 50 years, southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming ..

 "In Adelaide , Sydney and Brisbane , water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months."

 One premier, Queensland 's Peter Beattie, took such predictions - made by other warming alarmists, too - so seriously that he spent more than $1 billion of taxpayers' money on a desalination plant, saying "it is only prudent to assume at this stage that lower-than-usual rainfalls could eventuate".
 
But check that desalination plant today: mothballed indefinitely, now that the rains have returned. (Incidentally, notice how many of Flannery's big predictions date from 2007? That was the year warming alarmism reached its most hysterical pitch and Flannery was named Australian of the Year.)

Back to another tip Flannery gave in that year of warming terror. In 2007, he warned that "the social licence of coal to operate is rapidly being withdrawn globally" by governments worried by the warming allegedly caused by burning the stuff.

We should switch to "green" power instead, said Flannery, who recommended geothermal - pumping water on to hot rocks deep underground to create steam. "There are hot rocks in South Australia that potentially have enough embedded energy in them to run Australia's economy for the best part of a century," he said.

"The technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward."

Flannery repeatedly promoted this "straightforward" technology, and in 2009, the Rudd government awarded $90 million to Geodynamics to build a geothermal power plant in the Cooper Basin , the very area Flannery recommended. Coincidentally, Flannery has for years been a Geodynamics shareholder, a vested interest he sometimes declares.

 Time to check on how that business tip went. Answer: erk.
The technology Flannery said was "relatively straighforward" wasn't.
One of Geodynamics' five wells at Innamincka collapsed in an explosion that damaged two others. All had to be plugged with cement.

The project has now been hit by the kind of floods Flannery didn't predict in a warming world, with Geodynamics announcing work had been further "delayed following extensive local rainfall in the Cooper Basin region".
The technological and financing difficulties mean there is no certainty now that a commercial-scale plant will ever get built, let alone prove viable, so it's no surprise the company's share price has almost halved in four months.

Never mind, here comes Flannery with his latest scares and you-beaut fix.

His job as Climate Commission chief, says Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, is to "provide an authoritative, independent source of information on climate change to the Australian community" and "build the consensus about reducing Australia 's carbon pollution".

That, translated, means selling us whatever scheme the Government cooks up to tax carbon dioxide, doing to the economy what the floods have done to Flannery's hot-rocks investment.


See why I say Flannery is the right man for this job? Who better to teach us how little we really know about global warming and how much it may cost to panic?

 Incidentally he [Tim Flannery] is on $3,600 a week of our taxpayers money for working just three days a week making up more bullshit.

Please send this on and tell all Australians about these global warming imbeciles and in particular this number one idiot Tim Flannery. "


Freaky,
Feel free to slag off whom ever you choose, but using Andrew Bolt as your reference to do it is like building a house of cards on sand. Next you will be quoting Alan Jones on how to love your woman…  ;) And I am pretty sure the US is nearly finished with Sarah Palin so she should be available for a bit of balance any time soon…  ;D
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« Reply #340 on: August 04, 2011, 12:37:57 pm »
ooh sorry thought we were looking for balanced view from all corners.. ...I guess we just have to look at your corner and grin and bear it.

I dont care who brings out the information so long as its out there.   IF this clown has shares in dynamics then your a goose for not taking all the information in,  for whats its worth -  a crock of shit cover up with a gravy train.  and where paying $3K a week for horse shit, give me a break.

Sarah palin was a Joke and so is Gillard and the deeper i look into politics i realise there all mugs.  but feel free to give us some direction as your obviously high up in the green party and have your fingin on the pulse  ....

We now have a mothballed desal plant now to thanks to labour, still doenst work, still paying the company that built it bonuses, even thou that havent met any off the contract key dates and the friggin thing wont even work..... you have got to be kidding me and were paying milliuon a year to the compnay in operation al costs to run it ( ummmm and its not even turned on)  friggin labour need to learn how to run a business not a charity.  there all forkin mental cases  ::)
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« Reply #341 on: August 04, 2011, 01:51:54 pm »
ooh sorry thought we were looking for balanced view from all corners.. ...I guess we just have to look at your corner and grin and bear it.

Lighten up Freaky…  :o
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« Reply #342 on: August 04, 2011, 02:02:56 pm »
Jebus Freaky, Andrew Bolt is the print media's Alan Jones - even if you agree with what he says, you should never use him as a source of information.

Oh yeah, Day Whatever and the sky is still up.
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« Reply #343 on: August 04, 2011, 02:05:06 pm »
care factor on who wrote it....  just crystalised my thoughts on the whole shamosle !
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« Reply #344 on: August 04, 2011, 02:14:57 pm »
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Feel free to slag off whom ever you choose, but using Andrew Bolt as your reference to do it is like building a house of cards on sand. Next you will be quoting Alan Jones on how to love your woman…   And I am pretty sure the US is nearly finished with Sarah Palin so she should be available for a bit of balance any time soon…

 ;D Look out next is Bill O'Reilly and Fox News

Wonder how much Andrew Bolt is on per year? For a man with too much to say he's been strangley quite on the 'News of the World' phone hacking and the deep deep shit News Ltd is in.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3282940.htm

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