2011 VMX Nationals

[EML]

We'll be lucky to get that many.
Maybe we should increase the prize pool.

[VMX247]

January,February, March,May,July,September,October,November and December are the quietest months on the VMX calender here and NZ.
cheers

[Nathan S]

Sounds good Dan.

Despite the bitching, I thought that Broadford had the best format for an all-eras VMX Nats. Basically free practice on Friday, and then the regulation couple of laps practice on each race day morning.
This means that people can get a decent amount of practice & can learn the track, but don't have to be there on Friday.
However, this leaves a tight racing schedule (particularly if you don't end up with combined races and/or you have someone needing an ambulance ride).

Really, I guess the point is that you WILL have to make compromises, and people WILL bitch that the compromise doesn't suit them exactly . The real challenge will be giving people what they want and still being able to run an event that actually works and meets the rules...
I have zero doubt that the HEAVEN crew have the skills and knowledge to run the event and run it well. With the extra man-power from the Lakes club, then we'll be laughing.

Running the event right at the beginning or end of daylight saving might be a way to extend the usable amount of daylight, and reasonably expect decent weather?

If you put in a successful bid, I will support it regardless.

[E74]

Without doubt it's a great track, nice safe straight-first turn and extremely well maintained, would be a 1st class venue 

[matcho mick]

agree with that,if i can drag my sorry bum round (just!  ),3 laps i can do ,4's tad too much ,as for the table top,phhhh,don't speed up the ski slope??,it was pretty well covered last years Heaven meeting on the forum so some good reference  material there?,don't think s/cars 3 abreasts gunna work through the twisties,starts sandy EML,thats about it ,good choice but,(10mins from home for me freaky  ),friday practice(optional),racing sat/sundies the go,actually Heavens std format without the juniors works for me,

[Freakshow]

YEp screw the juniors and there mini bike mums............ 2 days is plenty

[090]

We'll be lucky to get that many.
Maybe we should increase the prize pool.

Wouldn't hurt to increase the gene pool as well. 

I can't believe so many different opinions about this. Moderns? 4 or 5 day event? Surely you can't have thought it through.
From what I have read elsewhere, there can be no support races at a nationals. So no moderns. Couldn't fit them in anyway.
With the nat's split inevitable , pre 75 or 78 backwards nats is three days tops ( at Coffs nats, they slowed things down to make it last the three days). An evo to pre 90 would be over in a weekend for sure.
Like it has been said, no one can afford to be away from work 4 days plus travel each way.

[Nathan S]

Pre-90 are not in the MoMS, so unless that class is approved very quickly, then there can be no pre-90 races at the 2011 VMX Nationals (even if they're split).

At that point, I wonder whether splitting the Nationals by eras is premature? (NB: I strongly support the idea of splitting the Nats by eras!).

And I thought that everyone had agreed that pre-78 would be grouped in with the older bikes? When did they get moved in with the Evo+ bikes again?

[65sdad]

chairs could use the 50 track around the bottom of the centre tabletop if that was more suitable.
friday arvo practice & 2 days of racing saturday & sunday would get the thing done

[NSR]

I Like the look of the track, From what I can see there would be no need to change it.  IMO it should be split and be no more than a 2 day event.  
That would make it cheeper and a better event to run.  As for a 4-5 day event
If its not split take out the S/cars that will free up some time    

[worms]

Pre-90 are not in the MoMS, so unless that class is approved very quickly, then there can be no pre-90 races at the 2011 VMX Nationals (even if they're split).

At that point, I wonder whether splitting the Nationals by eras is premature? (NB: I strongly support the idea of splitting the Nats by eras!).

And I thought that everyone had agreed that pre-78 would be grouped in with the older bikes? When did they get moved in with the Evo+ bikes again?

Who is everyone Nathan? and who agreed to anything, all the comments should be put to submission, I hope thru the clubs back to their state bodies to go to MA. Have you done so? or are you all piss and wind.

leave this thread to Dan and the boys and they will do as instructed by MA, dont make it harder for them with your going-ons, have your say and leave us grown-ups to sort things out.

cheers trev

[Nathan S]

When I said 'everyone' I was talking about the general concencus on these forums, and that in the 'real world' - and its been rock solid since Col began discussing his proposal several weeks ago.
With no discussion (that I've seen), its all back up in the air again.

So my question related to whether there was a reason why we're talking about moving the split to pre-75/post-74 - be it a decision my MA, an alterative submission, or just an alternative point of view being aired on these forums.

Its OK Trev, those of us who aren't senile yet will sort it out. Hate to have you wandering the streets in your dressing gown, all befuddled.
 

[worms]

by far your best reply yet, Nathan

cheers verT

[Dan-166]

Well, there has been some great responses so far. Keep them coming so that they can all be digested. The more info available, the easier it is to make informed decisions.
One thing that I would like to raise in regards to splitting the nationals is the viability from a cost/return point of view. Would it it finacially viable for clubs to host the Nationals in the future if the were to be split ( however that may be, if it were Pre 78 and Post 78)?

As for the large tabletop in the track that has been mentioned, there is infact a bypass for that already in the track which could be used if required but, you only need to watch Jens Olsen ( who is in his prime at around 65 yrs old) ride this track on his 74 RH250 and give most of his younger rivals a riding lesson and you can see that the track is fine (IMO) the way it is, but that is only my opinion!
Another rider / bike combo again is Carl Blecher on his Metisse, over the tabletop in question. My belief is that it comes back to the rider knowing his/her limits on the track and riding accordingly but again, only my opinion. Cheers
Dan

[Noel]

The bit that worries me most is the finish line jump,
A really nice jump on any era bike when part of the race,   but it is a measured jump and easy to over jump,
 I think the finish line should be before the jump because last ditch efforts trying to gain a place over that jump can end in tears, (ie the tyre wall or worse)

I also feel that for the older classes that the hills may need careful  preparation as they tended to get cut up a bit making
interesting times when on the gas or brakes  with only 3 1/2 4 inches of travel , yes those hills are steeper than they look in the pictures.

Noel