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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: FAT-TOY on April 16, 2016, 04:07:38 pm
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Firstly I don't want this to turn into a redneck muslim bashing exercise that's not why I started this thread.
There has been a lot of protesting around the Maitland/Cessnock area about the proposed new development of a mosque to be built at 911 Buchanan road Buchanan. The protests seem to be about all of the extra traffic on this country road, the noise, maybe the lowering of land values and I suppose some just protest for the sake of it. I have no feelings one way or the other about this but I wonder about the address of the new mosque, am I the only one who has noticed the address ( 911 ) is this just a coincidence? Surely there had to be another block of land that was less likely to cause controversy and piss off the locals
Zane
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Firstly I don't want this to turn into a redneck muslim bashing exercise that's not why I started this thread.
There has been a lot of protesting around the Maitland/Cessnock area about the proposed new development of a mosque to be built at 911 Buchanan road Buchanan. The protests seem to be about all of the extra traffic on this country road, the noise, maybe the lowering of land values and I suppose some just protest for the sake of it. I have no feelings one way or the other about this but I wonder about the address of the new mosque, am I the only one who has noticed the address ( 911 ) is this just a coincidence? Surely there had to be another block of land that was less likely to cause controversy and piss off the locals
Zane
I wonder if the same protesters would complain about the extra traffic and road noise if a new Coles or Woolies shopping centre was proposed?
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Firstly I don't want this to turn into a redneck muslim bashing exercise that's not why I started this thread.
There has been a lot of protesting around the Maitland/Cessnock area about the proposed new development of a mosque to be built at 911 Buchanan road Buchanan. The protests seem to be about all of the extra traffic on this country road, the noise, maybe the lowering of land values and I suppose some just protest for the sake of it. I have no feelings one way or the other about this but I wonder about the address of the new mosque, am I the only one who has noticed the address ( 911 ) is this just a coincidence? Surely there had to be another block of land that was less likely to cause controversy and piss off the locals
Zane
I wonder if the same protesters would complain about the extra traffic and road noise if a new Coles or Woolies shopping centre was proposed?
Boom!
Nice point.
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I'm still getting over the fact that I've got a new set of traffic lights within 10 minutes of my house. Before it took about 25 minutes before I saw one, I think I'm going to need counselling lol jimson
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in Bendigo all hell broke loose over the proposed mosque. fights, threats councillors censured over genital mutilation comments etc etc. that's multiculturism???
the council and developers are in a huuuuge conspiracy to settle 10,000 muslims and take Bendigo over. (councillors and developers will have grabbed cash and left by then)....
yawn... why don't they just fix the friggen roads
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wow this surprised me.......when you blokes converting to towel headgear then ::)
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I don't see the point in debating this subject,
We already lost years ago, start learning the Quran.
Softcocks running the show bent over pre lubed, instead of saying no when they should have years ago.
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i remember 20 years ago when my late father said letting in the cap and scarfe wearers in would bite us back in the bum and sure enough he was right,now we kill animals in a unhumane way just to suit them,we now have special schools for them sponsed by the tax payers and god knows what the kids are being taught coz we are not allowed to know,talk about bending over just to suit a small percentage of the population and you could bet their weekly cash offering at the mosque goes to support isis not that theyd admit to it.yeah the pollies that approved it all have got alot to answer for not that those pricks care >:( after all their swiss bank accounts are going ok ;)
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One of the things that irks me the most is that anyone that questions Islam/Mosques or Refugees relationship with both is simply howled down as a racist.
If you suggest refugees are linked to terrorism "God help you", even though the only terrorist acts I can think of were committed by refugees or their families (obviously the mainstream press ignore this but I understand it's true.)
-The police stabbed in Melbourne
-The Lindt Cafe siege.
-Police employee shot to death as he walk out of his workplace.
In that terrorist attack, the weapon was supplied in the local Mosque.
None of this is secret, but it certainly seems glossed over.
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I was called a racist in the supermarket the other day just for saying I was Lactose intolerant.
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hahaha cyclegod,whats the country coming to?yeah ex PM Johnie was keen to disarm the country and why would the nice peacefull house of worship for the cap and scarfe wearers have a gun of any type other then a starting pistol?lets face it these people arnt exacly poor or they wouldnt have had the funds to pay the owner of the boat to get here.its about time everyone says no more we dont need them or their ways/believes
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Coincidences will arise if we have enough eyes looking. Perhaps one of the owners just had a fetish for Porche? Maybe they were hoping to utilise the american emergency phone number? Funny how things work like that and get into peoples psyche and prey on their fears. I'm sure the american media know all about it.
i support the notion of multiculturalism however not in its recent interpretation. We are all immigrants who have helped shape this country and i see the current political policy as detrimental to the host culture. For governments to meet their migrant agreement and obligations for refugees it appears they have opted to base policy on this. How unfortunate for us not to have statesmen who have ideals and fight for them rather than merely opening Pandora's box and shove everyone inside a combined policy so the problem disappears.
Is it wrong to want Australia to remain Australian and all that it refers to? i don't think so.
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What makes them think that they can leave behind the country that they created, settle in a new country and bring all their beliefs/culture and religion with them. If you feel that strongly that you have to flee your country then you leave all your beliefs behind, not just take our freedom, our room, our welfare and dress, talk your own language and live your ways in our country. Then tell us our way of living is wrong. If you want to come to Australia then you want the whole package, not just bits of it.
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One of the things that irks me the most is that anyone that questions Islam/Mosques or Refugees relationship with both is simply howled down as a racist.
If you suggest refugees are linked to terrorism "God help you", even though the only terrorist acts I can think of were committed by refugees or their families (obviously the mainstream press ignore this but I understand it's true.)
-The police stabbed in Melbourne
-The Lindt Cafe siege.
-Police employee shot to death as he walk out of his workplace.
In that terrorist attack, the weapon was supplied in the local Mosque.
None of this is secret, but it certainly seems glossed over.
Interesting side point.
Why is it that when a person of middle eastern descent commits a crime with a gun or a knife the media label it "Terrorism" or "Act of Terror", but when someone who is Caucasian does it they are called a "Gunman" or "Man weilding a knife" ??
Media hype??
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One of the things that irks me the most is that anyone that questions Islam/Mosques or Refugees relationship with both is simply howled down as a racist.
If you suggest refugees are linked to terrorism "God help you", even though the only terrorist acts I can think of were committed by refugees or their families (obviously the mainstream press ignore this but I understand it's true.)
-The police stabbed in Melbourne
-The Lindt Cafe siege.
-Police employee shot to death as he walk out of his workplace.
In that terrorist attack, the weapon was supplied in the local Mosque.
None of this is secret, but it certainly seems glossed over.
Interesting side point.
Why is it that when a person of middle eastern descent commits a crime with a gun or a knife the media label it "Terrorism" or "Act of Terror", but when someone who is Caucasian does it they are called a "Gunman" or "Man weilding a knife" ??
Media hype??
Well, sometimes during the act they are holding up an ISIS flag in the window. Other times they are yelling "Allah Akabar". I guess that is one point of difference.
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What makes them think that they can leave behind the country that they created, settle in a new country and bring all their beliefs/culture and religion with them. If you feel that strongly that you have to flee your country then you leave all your beliefs behind, not just take our freedom, our room, our welfare and dress, talk your own language and live your ways in our country. Then tell us our way of living is wrong. If you want to come to Australia then you want the whole package, not just bits of it.
Thats easy to answer ;D They dont think , THEY KNOW ;)
They know that no matter where they go into countries based on Christian values ( Russia possibly being the exception ) the population will just roll over and take what ever they serve up or demand .
The population of these countries are very good at getting onto internet forums and social media and whinging and whining about it but thats all we do .
We whinge and whine about politicians letting it all happen ::)
Someone voted for those politicians
Politicians have no power without the support of the people and the people are to complacent to do anything other than whine and whinge .
Not only do these people know they can get everything they want , they are laughing at the pathetic population that bends over and takes it ;)
Somebody has already said get used to it and thats what we might as well do. Its never to late to stop it , but i dont see it happening . With Anzac day coming up you have to wonder what those who fought to keep us safe from evil would think of the apathetic attitude of todays population .
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One of the things that irks me the most is that anyone that questions Islam/Mosques or Refugees relationship with both is simply howled down as a racist.
If you suggest refugees are linked to terrorism "God help you", even though the only terrorist acts I can think of were committed by refugees or their families (obviously the mainstream press ignore this but I understand it's true.)
-The police stabbed in Melbourne
-The Lindt Cafe siege.
-Police employee shot to death as he walk out of his workplace.
In that terrorist attack, the weapon was supplied in the local Mosque.
None of this is secret, but it certainly seems glossed over.
Interesting side point.
Why is it that when a person of middle eastern descent commits a crime with a gun or a knife the media label it "Terrorism" or "Act of Terror", but when someone who is Caucasian does it they are called a "Gunman" or "Man weilding a knife" ??
Media hype??
Well, sometimes during the act they are holding up an ISIS flag in the window. Other times they are yelling "Allah Akabar". I guess that is one point of difference.
If it was a crack head waving a NZ flag yelling "I hate you cnuts" as he shot a police man....he would be labelled a drug affected gunman, although the crime and end result is exactly the same as the "Terrorist"
My point is although the crime is the same, depending on who commits it, different language is used to describe it.
Why is that?
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Well, sometimes during the act they are holding up an ISIS flag in the window. Other times they are yelling "Allah Akabar". I guess that is one point of difference.
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If it was a crack head waving a NZ flag yelling "I hate you cnuts" as he shot a police man....he would be labelled a drug affected gunman, although the crime and end result is exactly the same as the "Terrorist"
My point is although the crime is the same, depending on who commits it, different language is used to describe it.
Why is that?
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What's "terrorisim" and what's "mindless violence" is separated by a blurry line, for sure.
And I agree, the T word is flavor of the month with the mind mush press.
I'm thinking Terrorism is the ultimate expression of racism: kill as many people as possible if they hold even slightly different views to the perpetrator. That is: a religious motivation.
Insane killers like Martin Bryant for eg, target randomly.
Others for personal reasons (feelings of being wronged by a group, sexual gratification.)
I don't think it's as simple as "who commits it", but rather the style and motivation that gets it classed as terrorism.
I don't recall anyone ever waving an NZ flag (so close to our own) while randomly killing people. I do remember seeing the ISIS flag while a refugee was killing innocent people in the name of Islam. (Basically the very definition of terrorism.)
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Well said Bill. I'm not educated enough to put my thoughts to words, But let me say this. Australians in the past have had major battles overseas, in the future they will be on home soil & the wedgers are been driven in now to weaken the unity of thy country men. It's called devied & conquer. Jimson
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Wise words Bill. ;) ;)
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Man Monis was an A-grade forkwit, and criminal. And probably mentally ill. He'd had no prior interest in terrorism/ISIL, but he did have a long criminal history.
It's widely accepted by rational commentators and observers that his flag was attention seeking idiocy, and his actions were not "terrorism". The real acts of ISIL-inspired terrorism that we've seen have all been far more brutal, and far less drawn out.
And from memory, he didn't have the ISIL flag... He asked for one AFTER the siege began - clearly a dedicated warrior for the cause... ::)
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My ex next door neighbour, an old fella who has now move into a nursing home, very smart and I miss his company.
We were having a chat in the shed as we often did and the subject of moslems came up and his thoughts were that one of the main reasons apart from the terrorist attacks overseas (well they were then) was the fact that they had no interest in assimilating into Australian culture. This is not as uncommon as you might think, the original immigrants from China had very similar ideas about marrying into another race but they were mostly a gentle people and didn't go out of their way to antagonize other races and religions. The way Frank explained his thoughts to me were that the moslem religion looks on all other religions as being lepers, now they can talk to a leper even trade with them and in many cases become friendly with them but they would never marry or allow a member of their family to marry one of them. Because after all they are lepers.
I do think that the great majority of the moslems in this and other countries are good people and of little or no threat to us.
They just don't want to get to close to us lepers.
Cheers Zane
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The "Muslims don't assimilate" thing is nonsense.
All the same things have been said of Greek, Italian, Vietnamese and Japanese migrants in the past.
The simple reality is that education and wealth are great corrupters of religion. I mean, dedicating your life to Allah might hold some appeal when you're uneducated, dirt poor and living in the desert, but it is a hell of a lot less attractive when you've got a decent job, a nice house in the suburbs and an HSV in the garage.
After the Bali bombings, Howard's main response to weaken Jemah Islamiah was to give the Indonesian government money, mostly to spend on education.
And it worked. Jemah Islamiah has been massively diminished.
I'm no fan of Islam. But any time we make blanket statements about a large group of people, we are bound to be wrong. If we want to address the ACTUAL problems that are happening in the name of Islam, then we need to move WAY beyond the current "Muslim = Trrrist" dribble.
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I hate to agree with you Nathan as it puts the balance of things out ;D
But i agree the whole terrorism thing is small fish in the bigger picture . Its the passive invasion that will fork our way of life in the long run .
I grew up ( i use the phrase lightly as i have never really grown up ) in the UK and my childhood memories are of the forking IRA blowing up innocent people in the name of religion .
My first memory of Muslims and terrorism was the Munich Olympics massacre, and then the Iranian embassy siege in London.
I think overall it is a vile religion that needs to come out of the dark ages same could be said for Christianity though .
Your point about the comforts of the Western world diluting the need to subscribe to Ali Baba Nathan probably has some truth , but Muslim men in particular generally have no respect for women regardless of where or how they live .
And in recent times at least , not every muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a muslim ;)
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ISIL (who are Sunni Muslims) kill Shia Muslims for being progressive. The extreme Sunnis are literally pushing for a return to the dark ages - don't forget that they kill way more Muslims than anyone else.
The Quoran isn't more extreme than the Bible. The real difference is that there's people who have the right mix of zealotry, missing education and desperation to take the Quoran literally.
It's incorrect to say that all terrorists are Muslims - unless you choose to define terrorism as something only Muslims do... Anders Behring Breivik being one name that springs to mind.
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I grew up ( i use the phrase lightly as i have never really grown up ) in the UK and my childhood memories are of the forking IRA blowing up innocent people in the name of religion .
My first memory of Muslims and terrorism was the Munich Olympics massacre, and then the Iranian embassy siege in London.
When I walked around the Ardoyne and Shankhill in Belfast many said "The Troubles" were nothing to do with religion. Was all about the UK (namely Thatcher) never wanting the resource rich area of the North Sea to revert to ownership of the Irish Republic and giving up the best squaddie training ground in the world, (Shell , BP have no presence in the Republic), religion was a way of dividing and idenfiying which "side" your from. The large majority of people just wanted to live their life and go about their business The atrocities committed by the Loyalist paramilitaries(SHANKILL BUTCHERS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers)) never received the same coverage did they. Did the anyone from the RUC ever face prosecution for the shoot to kill policy they had?
Ever wonder where the IRA got all their M16's and semtex explosives from?
In the end what stopped the Troubles? A simple power sharing arrangement.
The Munich massacre was committed by the Black September group and were actually shut down by the PLO.
The PLO is dead now due to creation of their shrinking homeland and some autonomy (ISIS is a different case but the flow of people going there would be relatively easy to stop).
See the pattern? As soon as the major cause of the disenfranchisement is taken away the violence ceases. Power imbalances are what underpin every "terrorist" group.
The Iranian Embassy seige was carried out by Iranians strangely trying to stop the oil rich region being overrun by multinationals under the CIA's best friend the Shah of Iran.........who would have ever thought that. Another odd thing was why the SAS stormed the Embassy in broad daylight and all the tv cameras managed to be rolling at the time. Wonder who was the PM then?
Nobody ever seems to remember the King David Hotel or who the Irgun were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
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For those whom think immigration is the devil here is a news story about a couple of immigrants.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/university-of-sydney-receives-record-donation-of-35-million-20160420-goaoex.html
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And in recent times at least , not every muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a muslim ;)
Are you sure???
Detonating a bomb in a crowded place killing innocent people is deemed a act of terrorism, but only if done by a Muslim. But when a western country detonates a bomb(all from the a distance of 40 000 ft) killing innocent people we don't call that terrorism, because it wasn't done by a Muslim? Although the weapon used and end result are the same.
Taking an assault rifle into the street and shooting randomly, again killing innocent people is only terrorism if done by a Muslim, Martin Bryant does it and he's just a poor misunderstood kid with a sad upbringing (60 minutes a few weeks ago). Again although the weapon used and the end result are the same we tend not to want to consider ourselves as bad as "them"
If you stop focusing on the person who is committing the crime (less important) and focus more on the crime itself (more important) you quickly come to the conclusion that either everyone is a "terrorist" or no one is.
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Isn’t the motivation to kill others the key to this argument? jihadis will kill others to get to heaven, whereas the likes of Bryant did it because he was angry at the first couple he killed.
The terrorism comes in because of the random nature of the jihadi way, I reckon.
In terms of migration, if someone wants to come over here and be one of us and contribute, then that is a good thing and welcome. Just don’t come and make us change.
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Is there a difference, really? Or are we just trying to find ways to make Islamic terrorism seem worse than non-Islamic terrorism?
If jihadism is an inherent part of Islam, we'd already be well forked.
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Come over here by all means, pick up your thongs and esky as you step off the plane.
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The "Muslims don't assimilate" thing is nonsense.
All the same things have been said of Greek, Italian, Vietnamese and Japanese migrants in the past.
The simple reality is that education and wealth are great corrupters of religion. I mean, dedicating your life to Allah might hold some appeal when you're uneducated, dirt poor and living in the desert, but it is a hell of a lot less attractive when you've got a decent job, a nice house in the suburbs and an HSV in the garage.
After the Bali bombings, Howard's main response to weaken Jemah Islamiah was to give the Indonesian government money, mostly to spend on education.
And it worked. Jemah Islamiah has been massively diminished.
I'm no fan of Islam. But any time we make blanket statements about a large group of people, we are bound to be wrong. If we want to address the ACTUAL problems that are happening in the name of Islam, then we need to move WAY beyond the current "Muslim = Trrrist" dribble.
Correct... Education is the key to reducing the narrow-minded thinkings of religious bigots that cause most of the "terrorists" related issues we see and read on the net and in our press. We only have to look at our own back yard to see who does most of the crime, it's typically those who have none or very little worthwhile education that can't earn a buck for themselves that feel society owes them, so they go out and do petty crime and often move "up" the crime ladder and sometimes into "terrorist" type attacks. It's sad, but when you see the PolAir helicopter police chase on the nightly news with the inevitable arrest or the poor hangers-on outside the court house at the hearing, they make out as if they are the most hard done by person / people on the planet.
Unfortunately our education system is broadly based on class levels that often are difficult to break from one generation to the next, education leads to an educated, thinking society, unemployment leads to more unemployment.... and the cycle continues.
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One of the things that irks me the most is that anyone that questions Islam/Mosques or Refugees relationship with both is simply howled down as a racist.
If you suggest refugees are linked to terrorism "God help you", even though the only terrorist acts I can think of were committed by refugees or their families (obviously the mainstream press ignore this but I understand it's true.)
-The police stabbed in Melbourne
-The Lindt Cafe siege.
-Police employee shot to death as he walk out of his workplace.
In that terrorist attack, the weapon was supplied in the local Mosque.
None of this is secret, but it certainly seems glossed over.
Interesting side point.
Why is it that when a person of middle eastern descent commits a crime with a gun or a knife the media label it "Terrorism" or "Act of Terror", but when someone who is Caucasian does it they are called a "Gunman" or "Man weilding a knife" ??
Media hype??
Good point,
But research the % between the people that commit these crimes.
People of middle eastern appearance seem to be much higher in the %.
Dessert ninja's are breeding rapidly.
But,
The amount of scum walking our country of non middle eastern appearance is just as disturbing, There are not many people left that set a good example of "the Australian way" of any colour, race, etc.
The sad fact is that when one idiot roots another idiot, you get more idiots, and too many idiots are rooting each other.
What ever happened to respect, trust, loyalty, etc, just being a decent person?, irrespective of race, religion, beliefs?, all gone now.
I am not religious at all, and have no problem with anyone who is, my belief is that every human has the right to believe in anything they wish, but do not have the right to force it on another.
Every day that I wake up, stand upright and breath air, it is a good day, and I just try to be a good person, be nice to others, and respect the earth that keeps me alive. Simple.
If you dont have 20 tattoo's, 10 nipple rings and can cage fight in the pub after 30 bundy's, you are not Aussie?
I really don't know if I want to be called Aussie anymore??
Cheers Al.
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If jihadism is an inherent part of Islam, we'd already be well forked.
X-mas and Easter are banned from schools already , food in the supermarket is marked Halal , army rations are now Halal as well . Many thanks to all the left doogooders ::), and the list will increase day by day . They (the muslims)will all vote in droves, and believe me , it now will go step by step . Every year a bit more, quicker and quicker . Every year a bit more politically correct and dumbed down more . In the end we will automatically repeat the new slogans like " Multi Culti is good for us" like the press tells us to .... The boat has sailed .... lets see how long we can stay sane and enjoy our retirement as we planned it . It is terrorism by invasion , but so well orchestrated and smooth , the majority does not recognize it (yet)
Jebus you speak some utter shit, Wlater.
My kids go to a public school where the principal is a Komrade (we can smell our own), and yet we still have Easter hat parades and Christmas concerts.
The nonsense you've repeated is moronic propaganda from the religious right: those the are so outraged that they will blatantly lie about what happens.
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Im really gob smacked with some of the BS l have just read.
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Which bits?
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The sad fact is that when one idiot roots another idiot, you get more idiots, and too many idiots are rooting each other.
It should be a national curriculum initiative to watch the movie "idiocracy"
I reckon that is where it is all going, never mind the jihadis.
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Is there a difference, really? Or are we just trying to find ways to make Islamic terrorism seem worse than non-Islamic terrorism?
I think there is. Bryant was pissed off at a couple of people because they didn't sell him something. Plain greed and vengeance and it spiralled out of control because he was a nutter.
What was the motivation for the murder of Curtis Cheng? That other goose in Lindt Cafe? Any of the 29,000+ terrorist attacks since 9/11? .
Lets go back to 1915. What was the motivation for the "battle of Broken Hill" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill?
I see a pattern.
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I support humane treatment & slaughter of animals, but beyond that, I give no forks if it's halal or not. I mean, halal bikkies or chocolate is a total non-issue.
Not to mention that the quality of the food in ration packs was an insult regardless... (May have changed more recently).
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Is there a difference, really? Or are we just trying to find ways to make Islamic terrorism seem worse than non-Islamic terrorism?
I think there is. Bryant was pissed off at a couple of people because they didn't sell him something. Plain greed and vengeance and it spiralled out of control because he was a nutter.
What was the motivation for the murder of Curtis Cheng? That other goose in Lindt Cafe? Any of the 29,000+ terrorist attacks since 9/11? .
Lets go back to 1915. What was the motivation for the "battle of Broken Hill" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill?
I see a pattern.
Terrorism is vaguely defined, but the core is violence for a political goal.
If Bryant isn't a terrorist, then neither is man Monis (half-arsed claims of being involved with ISIL notwithstanding).
We are all quick to judge violence by Muslims are terrorism (and usually it's an accurate judgement).
But if a white man commits a similar act of violence, we'll perform all sorts of logical gymnastics to avoid calling it "terrorism".
American citizens are far more likely to be killed by a Christian extremist than a Muslim one - but you don't whip up patriotic fervour by pointing that out... And without the misplaced patriotic fervour and the manufactured fear of outsiders, you can't justify going to war again...
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Nathan , I would like to see you marching dozens of km and only find Halal food in your ration pack , after you just marched to train and fight that medieval ideology .What a joke .
there is an easy way to avoid Halal food if it really annoys you, just eat Pork every day
joking aside it does seem wrong for any Country where the vast majority of the population are not Muslim, to have their food prepared or manufactured in a way just to suit a small minority ,
but the big Food Companies wouldn't do it unless there were rules telling them to, or more potential sales.
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I went to the local Cafe recently. Ordered a "3 little pigs burger"
Pulled Pork, carved ham and bacon. - delicious and no Hallal certificate.
I believe we are going "To Hell in a handcart", but some of us are going kicking and screaming. (And eating pigs).
Remember not to ride a pushbike in NSW without "carrying your papers" which must "be in order" when randomly checked! Sickening.
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In regards to halal certified foods, why are they not all labelled as such?
They pay a fee to certify, why not advertise this fact so that those who choose to have this certification can select it and those who choose to avoid it can avoid?
Hindus for example are forbidden to eat halal food, yet need to research food because it is not labelled.
Pretty sure we had a senate enquiry into this recently and labelling was the outcome, however nothing has come of it.
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I went to the local Cafe recently. Ordered a "3 little pigs burger"
Pulled Pork, carved ham and bacon. - delicious and no Hallal certificate.
I believe we are going "To Hell in a handcart", but some of us are going kicking and screaming. (And eating pigs).
Remember not to ride a pushbike in NSW without "carrying your papers" which must "be in order" when randomly checked! Sickening.
not that i ride a pushie coz the roads where i live are just tar covered dirt tracks but why do nsw cyclists need papers and to carry them??
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Not up with the latest comrade?
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I went to the local Cafe recently. Ordered a "3 little pigs burger"
Pulled Pork, carved ham and bacon. - delicious and no Hallal certificate.
I believe we are going "To Hell in a handcart", but some of us are going kicking and screaming. (And eating pigs).
Remember not to ride a pushbike in NSW without "carrying your papers" which must "be in order" when randomly checked! Sickening.
not that i ride a pushie coz the roads where i live are just tar covered dirt tracks but why do nsw cyclists need papers and to carry them??
A good question for Duncan Gay.
It's un Australian.
I understand it's the result of some sort of populist pushy rider hate campaign run by the "Telegraph".
Even though the only people hurt in pushbike crashes (no matter the cause), the NSW government jacked lots of fines for riders up (approx 500% I believe). Based on jealousy? Ignorance? Irrational hatred? - certainly not on any facts.
Knowing people were going to balk at handing over $500ish for not wearing an approved helmet (eg sticker missing/skateboard helmet, or heaven forbid no helmet!)/rolling a Stop sign/etc, they have made it compulsory to carry a NSW Licence or "special push bike id" (for interstate visitors for eg) with the corresponding huge fine for non compliance.
Being from QLD, if I'm at my mates place in NSW, I can't legally borrow his pushy and helmet and ride to the shop.
It's unbelievable.
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Good point RE the pushbike papers.
Its not how we did it when we were young. just hop on your pushie and go.No helmet no lights and not a care on the world. the truth is that times are changing and the sport of adult cycling seems to be increasing so we find more cyclists on roads and this presents a challenge for the motorists and the pushie rider. As with most things accidents do occur and this is where insurance companies rub their hands together. in order to claim on insurance you need to identify the other party and if thats a pushie with no rego plate your up shyte creek paddleless.
I use my licence for work on the sunshine coast in QLD so i am exposed to a lot of traffic risk and i see it would seem that adult cycling is popular if the number of lycra clad people traversing the major and minor roads is anything to go by and I also see a lot of things that could have been thought through better. After the 1metre rule came in a lot of cyclists abused this and used excessive amounts of roadway. now they seem to not be so foolish and stick to the shoulder but occasionally there are three or four abreast on a blind hinterland mountain corner and i cant believe it. lucky im usually riding a bike so i can thread the needle. Also in QLD i see little regard for the helmet ruling from kids and teenagers. Being exNSW i find this strange. Another issue is the amount of redlight runners from cyclists in this area is astonishing. reminds me of how it was in Sydney 30 years ago.
Sure holding papers seems draconian but everyone needs to have ID if they are in charge of a vehicle. It just makes sense. VMXs even have numbers on their bikes.
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Not up with the latest comrade?
yeah im not up to speed on what goes on in aussie as seldom watch the news and never buy papers as sooner put that money into parts for my old bikes besides alot of the news is depressing [murders/rape/house invadions where old pensioners get beat up] or full of shite you dont really need to know about [celebs taking a dump/pollies slinging off at each other like 5yr olds]
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I hate the ever increasing over regulation we are increasingly subjected to.
Especially in the "victimless crime" category.
Push bike helmets are the perfect example. Personally I've been wearing one for a long time before they were widely available, let alone mandatory. It should be my choice alone when/if I wear one.
Same with seat belts. They should be fitted, but worn at adults discretion (again, I'd wear mine all the time.)
I don't buy into the "cost to the health system" or "I'd feel bad if I killed a helmet less rider" arguments.
The extension of these arguments would see football/motorcycles/surfing/bush walking/soft drink all banned.
While I tar all politicians with the same derisive brush, senator David Leyonhjelm has some sensible things to say about personal freedoms, and motorcycle riding.
I heard a great political quote recently:
"We try and keep Labour in power for as long as we can afford them, then we try and keep the Coalition in power for as long as we can stand them."
Sad, but pretty accurate.
Have a great weekend! :)
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I hate the ever increasing over regulation we are increasingly subjected to.
Especially in the "victimless crime" category.
Push bike helmets are the perfect example.
Returning from the Bayswater Powder Coaters, located in an industrial area, the Highway pursuit pulled over a worker riding a bike without a helmet. Looked to me like he was doing a lunch run. Now that is low.
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Returning from the Bayswater Powder Coaters, located in an industrial area, the Highway pursuit pulled over a worker riding a bike without a helmet. Looked to me like he was doing a lunch run. Now that is low.
If the guy forgot his wallet, he is facing over $900 in fines. (No helmet. No ID)
You would probably be fined less for running someone over on a pedestrian crossing. A crime that involves a victim.
Who thinks that is fair?
Who benefits from this police action?
Why is the fine for no pushy helmet approximately the same as one might receive for "assault police"?
Insanity.
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Easy, revenue, mean while real crimes are being committed.
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Are you suggesting that a large percentage of our police force are only employed to raise revenue.
Yes I would agree with that.
Zane
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if police were interested in lowering the crime rate and im only guessing thats collated via the amount of complaints and bookings they receive, would they
A; Install covert surveillance devices
B; Be highly visible to the public
I do find it interesting that during the latest end of school holiday traffic flow north from the gold coast i counted three police vehicles sitting in plain sight on the road shoulder with lights flashing. Also interesting was the traffic was well behaved and no speeders nor congestions usually associated with end of school holidays.
this makes a pleasant change from the roadside vans with signage ( sometimes) after the van. the unmarked hyabusa. the many unmarked patrol vehicles and my favourite A 4x4 towing a horse float with a fake horses ass in in.
tell me again they are doing it for our safety.
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IMO law and order involves all three of Government, Judiciary and Police working together. The problem is the first two, not the police. In the the US law and order quickly becomes a political issue, which the DAs need to deal with in order to be re-elected. Say what you want, the US system has a degree of accountability which we do not have here. Who has been held accountable for Adrian Bailey or that latest trash who killed the young girl?
Regards, Tom
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ive jumped 5 pages but everyone needs to realise that the Muslim headwear is a small sheet not a towel... so they shall now be known a little sheet heads.... ::)