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Marketplace => eBay Finds => Topic started by: Rossvickicampbell on January 22, 2014, 07:15:00 pm
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CR480-Twinshock-Motocross-VMX-1980-CR250-Red-Rocket-/251430809316
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$20 000 aud Holy $hit, maybe another case of adding the labour component of a built to the sale price...Good luck.
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Have seen it, workskills and details are stunning....
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All Honda jokes aside....that's a cool bike.
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Several of those bikes are built each year by Phil and Stevie Denton for the US riders at the VMXdN using many NOS and remanufactured trick parts. You won't find better built bikes anywhere in the world!
And they always sell..
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read the detail of the build, top quality and high attention everywhere.
except it doesn't have a GMC pipe though........... ;)
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Yes they are stunning bikes (the ones he built for the USA Vets MXDN Team), but someone would just have to buy it as a poolroom prop. It can't be raced in EVO either here or in the US. The bikes were featured in VMX Mag.
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Its not that exotic. Apart from a fibreglass airbox, alloy tank and triples it is exactly like this. Only i have used far more modern suspension internals front and rear.
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/002-3.jpg) (http://s582.photobucket.com/user/ted84photos/media/002-3.jpg.html)
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if you get a chance check out their website. The stuff they make is brilliant and absolutely gorgeous - with a price to match - like a 280 Euro kickstarter. Wish I could afford some of their bits :'(
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You can get them here in Victoria, Australia. Not $20K either.
K
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That's funny ....
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I challenge anyone to build one to this std for what they are asking for this bike ;)
Read the script , if you haven't seen the bikes in the flesh then I wouldn't expect anyone to understand just how good they are .
The builders Phil and Stevie and the team are also top blokes and passionate VMXers .
As Kev says no EVO legal in Aus but the they are not adverting them in Aus ;)
If I had a spare 20k I wouldn't buy one as they are not my thing ( wrong brand ) but before passing judgement take the time to see one in the flesh :)
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I read the description but couldn't see anything outstanding (except a 5 speed box).
$20 000 would pick you up a GENUINE one off, hand built, uber trick, factory bike from the '80's.....
but horses for courses, it's his to charge whatever he wants.
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...... not according to this
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21768/lot/245/#/MR0_page=20&MR0_length=10&MR0_category=list&MR0_currency=GBP&m0=0
I haven't seen many uber trick works exotica sell for £10k in some time. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place.
I agree with the last bit though. Pays your money and takes your choice.
The Dentons really to build VERY nice bikes.
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You can get them here in Victoria, Australia. Not $20K either.
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Not to the standard of this bike you can't.....
That's funny ....
I agree totally
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yeah - last works bike I dared to enquire about - boyhood dream!!! - was $42K
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As Kev says no EVO legal in Aus but the they are not adverting them in Aus ;)
My first thoughts were..."Oh no not another one of these class illegal Euro cut and shuts" but it didn't take much further looking to see that this bike's a fair bit better than that. Sure, you can't race it in Evo here or in the USA but that's not the market he's looking at. It's legal for British twinshock and whatever they call the class in Europe and that's all that matters. The bike has a catalogue full of quality aftermarket parts and is well presented but I'm not sure its any sort of bargain at 18kAU. It's probably a 12k bike but who knows the market these days? It might just sell at 18k but I suspect the listing is a fishing expedition.
$20 000 would pick you up a GENUINE one off, hand built, uber trick, factory bike from the '80's
$34000AU is a lot different to the 18KAU being asked for this bike but whatever you pay for a works or historically significant bike it's money invested in history. This bike, even though it was ridden by Chuck Sun at Farleigh Castle, isn't one of Chucks old works race bikes and therein lies the difference. No matter what that Honda has done in its three race history, it'll always be just a nice bike with no important history. As well, any works bike for under 35k these days would require a fair bit of expensive restoration going by what I've seen in recent times. Times might be tough but quality works racers with documented history just keep going up in price.......Will this bike?
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As Kev says not EVO legal in Aus but the they are not adverting them in Aus ;)
The eBay add says they will ship to Australia or the US, so I think that means as it is on the World Wide Web we are included.
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As Kev says not EVO legal in Aus but the they are not adverting them in Aus ;)
The eBay add says they will ship to Australia or the US, so I think that means as it is on the World Wide Web we are included.
I stand corrected ::) I meant he has not advertised it on an Australian website FFS
BUT NO I CONCEDE ::) YOU ARE RIGHT KEV MUST BE FLUCKING A WONDERFULL FEELING ALWAYS BEING RIGHT AYE PAL . MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ANYWAY , AS WITH ANYTHING OF ANY QUALITY THAT GETS SHOWN ON THIS SITE THESE DAYS IT JUST GENERALLY GETS RUBBISHED BUT THE CURRENT PATRONS OF THIS SITE .
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AS WITH ANYTHING OF ANY QUALITY THAT GETS SHOWN ON THIS SITE THESE DAYS IT JUST GENERALLY GETS RUBBISHED BUT THE CURRENT PATRONS OF THIS SITE .
Hold on Bill....I for one am not rubbishing the bike, I merely question whether it's a good buy at 18kAU. I actually like the bike which is a plus from me as I normally don't like bikes that mix eras like that. Looking at it from a British perspective its a cool bike.
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Its not that exotic. Apart from a fibreglass airbox, alloy tank and triples it is exactly like this. Only i have used far more modern suspension internals front and rear.
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/002-3.jpg) (http://s582.photobucket.com/user/ted84photos/media/002-3.jpg.html)
Is this your machine Ted, absolutely beautiful if it is.
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Dead right Bill. When I built this 465 I spared no expense including mine and others time and parts it owes me 20 K Just as this Honda owes them. However when these guys advertise it for that amount it becomes permissible to include labour unlike when I put mine up for sale My bike was also built by a professional I didn't recon the carby, I replaced it with a new one I replaced every seal, bearing and bush with new Mine is also original bore with every component brand new My brake hubs have both been machined round I have cartridge forks with latest Ohlins components fitted Rear shock which has the same treatment I also have Venhill cables, quick throttle action, PFR pipe, muffler, pegs, alloy gear lever A year ago arguably Australia's best VMX rider had the squish changed on his head Everyone treats it as a hi tec mod I did that to this bike in 2007 The changes to this bike are too numerous to list I wouldn't sell my forks for the price some experts reckon this whole bike was worth
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I know it's not EVO legal and don't care We built it to compete inPre 90 The builder wanted to prove that this 81 could easily run in that class A couple of years ago I put a young guy on it, the same kid who built my trailer, at a club round After a couple of laps he came in and declared he would easily win his own modern clubs championship on it He is now NSW state champion
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Yes Mick it's mine
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BUT NO I CONCEDE ::) YOU ARE RIGHT KEV MUST BE FLUCKING A WONDERFULL FEELING ALWAYS BEING RIGHT AYE PAL . MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ANYWAY , AS WITH ANYTHING OF ANY QUALITY THAT GETS SHOWN ON THIS SITE THESE DAYS IT JUST GENERALLY GETS RUBBISHED BUT THE CURRENT PATRONS OF THIS SITE .
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I'm not always right and when I'm not I will say so.
One other thing any bike is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. My guess is someone in the UK or Europe will pay that price for it. I guess we will see.
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Yes Mick it's mine
Its a credit to you and the sport.
My line of thinking these days is along the same lines, keep the original appearance, for the sake of history,
but build a better and safer machine by going nuts on the internals and build quality.
yourself and a couple of others on here have set a high bench mark for the rest of us to chase. Very nice.
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(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/002-3.jpg)
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Your YZ is a seriously nice bike Ted but why isn't it Evo legal? Just to add that nothing is really new in this game, I'll top you with the squish band mod mate ;D...."Professor" Peter Reynolds did two head squish remaps and plug relocation for me plus matching porting, one for my DT1, the other for my 350 Maico (after I welded them up) all the way back in 1992. Both bikes have won numerous Aussie titles in pre 70, both in the same year in, I think 1993 and at the latest in 2006. The squish mod that Brad and I are having done at RK TEK is a bit different in the machining but the result should be similar or I hope, better.
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The squish thing is as old as the hills I was just trying to make the point that on bikes like mine and that Honda the value in these bikes is never seen by the guy who bags the price of such machines Get a price on putting cartridges in your forks so as to not make them distinguishable from others You will find it costs more than what some bikes are worth complete
It isn't EVO legal because it has a modern flat slide carb Also has cartridge forks Some say no cartridge in EVO Some say fork internals are free in EVO And no I won't be donning my Erin Brokovic dress to find the answer.....
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Forks are totally legal, no Erin Brokovic needed......I've got emulators in most of my bikes and can't tell from the outside. The Carby however is illegal for obvious reasons. The reason I reckon the Honda is overpriced is based on what the market's prepared to pay. You know as well as I Ted that very few punters will put out 20k for a VMX bike unless it's got a bit of historic form on the board. I know how quickly a build cost can snowball once you start involving highly paid specialists, shit I'd probably have well over 20k in my Maico development over 44 years of ownership but when it comes to crunch time it's still only worth what the market can handle.
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AS WITH ANYTHING OF ANY QUALITY THAT GETS SHOWN ON THIS SITE THESE DAYS IT JUST GENERALLY GETS RUBBISHED BUT THE CURRENT PATRONS OF THIS SITE .
Hold on Bill....I for one am not rubbishing the bike, I merely question whether it's a good buy at 18kAU. I actually like the bike which is a plus from me as I normally don't like bikes that mix eras like that. Looking at it from a British perspective its a cool bike.
Mark that's why I put generally as I wasn't singling out anyone in particular or their remarks .
It touches a nerve with me about these hybrids not being EVO legal , but hey your rules are your rules and its your sandpit :)
Before anyone reads into something that isn't there the above statement does not mean I condone the Dutch and UK linkage bikes converted twin shocks , but again their rules , their sandpit .
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4 of Jeff Wards championship winning factory Kawasaki's, went for approx. $25k US last year...
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I am well aware of no history no dollars. That's why it and all my bikes will stay with me for my one year old grandson to have in time.
I paid $3,000 for the RM 125. I tipped another 3K into it to make it into what it is now. A very serious, reliable little race bike. Will I get my money back. NO.
I swapped my very low hour 2008 KTM 530 for a mint 1983 KX 500. Probably tore up a few dollars there and then but in time I know which one is rare and collectible.
I am restoring an IT 200 at the moment. Paid $2,500 for it. Will spend double that again on it. Will I get my money back. Definitely not. Some may say expensive, crazy, waste of money, could of done it cheaper themselves.
This " I do it all myself " just doesn't work for me financially or time wise. While I earn double what my guy charges me I will let a professional do what he does best and I'll go to work and do what I do best. This is how I offset the enormous ( to some ) expenditure on my bikes.
There are still people around that appreciate things done properly, as this Honda will reveal. My point was that it ain't that exotic.
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4 of Jeff Wards championship winning factory Kawasaki's, went for approx. $25k US last year...
Just over 6K each that was cheap ;D
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Its not an exotic bike just a very well built open class twinshock racer . Dentons bikes always sell , I suppose it comes down to a quids a quid wherever you are in the world and 10 thousand pounds in the Uk is like 10 thousand dollars here .
Look at the money those blinged up other 1981 red Fluckers that come out of Germany fetch ::) Never ever won anything of any note ::) Geoff Mayes did win the British open title on one in 1980 , but apparently the 1980 model is worth fork all :-\
All they did in the day was made a shit rider an average rider and an average rider a better than average rider due to their handling , Yet they fetch stupid money ::) Vintage MX was the best thing that ever happened to them .
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That dam wall opening we went to is nothing compared to the floodgates you've just opened. They will be rallying troops. ;D ;D ;D
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Let em bring it on Ted ;D ;D ;D mate i had forgotten how nice your 465 is 8) 8)
Put up some pics of the KX before they start posting pics of those Auschwitz golf trolleys ;D
Q whats harder to start than a whip round in a synagouge ?
Answers on a postcard please :)
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Don't mention the war Billy. :)
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Don't mention the war Billy. :)
2 world wars and 1 world cup 2 world wars and 1 world cup ;D
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I bought full up Mugens for less...nothing against the bike but over priced for today's economy !by double in my opinion....which means very little yo anyone but me...
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As for what is legal for EVO I usually ask the Father of the EVO class Rick Doughty. Although the Yanks do allow modern flat slide carbies.
Anyway if you want to know what is legal read the MOMS or for this year open the website www.moms.org.au (http://www.moms.org.au)
As for forks, it has become common practice that modern shocks with adjustable compression and rebound are acceptable, so the same with forks is also acceptable. But no one has tested it with a protest.
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Its not an exotic bike just a very well built open class twinshock racer . Dentons bikes always sell , I suppose it comes down to a quids a quid wherever you are in the world and 10 thousand pounds in the Uk is like 10 thousand dollars here .
Look at the money those blinged up other 1981 red Fluckers that come out of Germany fetch ::) Never ever won anything of any note ::) Geoff Mayes did win the British open title on one in 1980 , but apparently the 1980 model is worth fork all :-\
All they did in the day was made a shit rider an average rider and an average rider a better than average rider due to their handling , Yet they fetch stupid money ::) Vintage MX was the best thing that ever happened to them .
Yes it's fantastic isn't it Bill there are more Maico Mega 2 490s in Australia now than there was in 1981.
You're just jealous that you haven't got one.
MAICO's RULE
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And less GS's.....wonder why
Biggest selling sticker worldwide....Mega 2
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Sadly Bills right, Maicos never won a world championship but neither did CCM, Rickman Metisse, Cheney, Bultaco, Montesa, OSSA and a shitload of other brands. When you look at the list it seems that not winning a Championship doesn't necessarily take away the bikes collectability or ability to win races (or its cool factor). A good bike is a good bike whether it's earned a room full of championship plaques or not.
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Bultaco won road racing world championships Firko,
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Sadly Bills right, Maicos never won a world championship but neither did CCM, Rickman Metisse, Cheney, Bultaco, Montesa, OSSA and a shitload of other brands. When you look at the list it seems that not winning a Championship doesn't necessarily take away the bikes collectability or ability to win races (or its cool factor). A good bike is a good bike whether it's earned a room full of championship plaques or not.
What about Derek Rickmans 66 European Championship win. Doesnt that count? The class later has World Champsionship status.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19768/lot/332/ ~ here is the bike
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Bultaco won road racing world championships Firko
What about Derek Rickmans 66 European Championship win. Doesnt that count? The class later has World Champsionship status
So did OSSA but we're talking motocross Joanie. Ben, the 500 class has had World Championship status since 1952 and Derek Rickman hasn't won any titles. The 1966 World 500 champ was Paul Friedrichs from East Germany on a CZ. Derek's brother Don however won the 1966 British 500GP at Farleigh Castle on a Matchless Metisse and in the same year brother Derek was a member of the victorious 1966 British Motocross de Nations team along with Dave Bickers and Vic Eastwood, so the Rickman Brothers had a good year in 1966 but no championship unfortunately.
If we are to regard the European Championship as a World Championship, Fritz Betzelbacher won the 1957 European 250 title on a Maico. The European 250 Championship became the World 250 Championship a year later and at the time was regarded at the World Championship in everything but name. For the record, Willi Oesterle came second on another factory Maico.
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Bultaco won road racing world championships Firko,
Harley Davidson won Road Race World Championship too but does that really count.
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Interesting quote from Mr Maico Man Roy Gay after I drop two YZ 81 H models off to him from Qld.
Why do you want these things I ask.
He says "I'm sick of getting blown off by 465 H's "
Has he seen the light?
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Interesting quote from Mr Maico Man Roy Gay after I drop two YZ 81 H models off to him from Qld.
Why do you want these things I ask.
He says "I'm sick of getting blown off by 465 H's "
Has he seen the light?
Strange you mentioned that.....
The Yamaha 465 might be the hot ticket for flatracking and short circuit racing since that's
all that Roy has been riding lately,
while the Maicos
could be better for Natural terrain MX circuits ??
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Bultaco won road racing world championships Firko
What about Derek Rickmans 66 European Championship win. Doesnt that count? The class later has World Champsionship status
So did OSSA but we're talking motocross Joanie. Ben, the 500 class has had World Championship status since 1952 and Derek Rickman hasn't won any titles. The 1966 World 500 champ was Paul Friedrichs from East Germany on a CZ. Derek's brother Don however won the 1966 British 500GP at Farleigh Castle on a Matchless Metisse and in the same year brother Derek was a member of the victorious 1966 British Motocross de Nations team along with Dave Bickers and Vic Eastwood, so the Rickman Brothers had a good year in 1966 but no championship unfortunately.
If we are to regard the European Championship as a World Championship, Fritz Betzelbacher won the 1957 European 250 title on a Maico. The European 250 Championship became the World 250 Championship a year later and at the time was regarded at the World Championship in everything but name. For the record, Willi Oesterle came second on another factory Maico.
I wasnt aware of mrBetzelbachers title but IMHO that counts as a world title . The old European champs were upgraded to world status , but i reckon those european champions like Mr Betzelbacher , Dave Bickers and Andre Malherbe amoungst others and the manufacturers are on par with the later world champs .
I actually like Maico as a brand, and the 77 AW and 79 magnum models are in my top ten favorite bikes list :)
Its all the hype and inflated prices of the 81 490s that i will never understand :-\ maybe im just pissed off that i took 2 running examples to the scrap yard in 1988 ;D
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Interesting quote from Mr Maico Man Roy Gay after I drop two YZ 81 H models off to him from Qld.
Why do you want these things I ask.
He says "I'm sick of getting blown off by 465 H's "
Has he seen the light?
Strange you mentioned that.....
The Yamaha 465 might be the hot ticket for flatracking and short circuit racing since that's
all that Roy has been riding lately,
while the Maicos
could be better for Natural terrain MX circuits ??
1980 Mr Motocross. YZee 465
1981 Mr Motocross. YZee 465
The war is over lads. The propaganda machine didn't work.
Not only good for short circuit but not too shabby at MX either
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Interesting quote from Mr Maico Man Roy Gay after I drop two YZ 81 H models off to him from Qld.
Why do you want these things I ask.
He says "I'm sick of getting blown off by 465 H's "
Has he seen the light?
Strange you mentioned that.....
The Yamaha 465 might be the hot ticket for flatracking and short circuit racing since that's
all that Roy has been riding lately,
while the Maicos
could be better for Natural terrain MX circuits ??
1980 Mr Motocross. YZee 465
1981 Mr Motocross. YZee 465
The war is over lads. The propaganda machine didn't work.
Not only good for short circuit but not too shabby at MX either
Yep those YZ465's are so good that Roy left them at home and rode his Maico at the TBC!
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Only because they weren't going. The 465 blew up as soon as he started it. Bought sight unseen. Obviously not as described. He rang me after finding chux supa wipes in both air boxes in lieu of the air filter. Not happy Jan. Ask him he'll tell you the story.
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Amazing how a Honda bike thread turns into another Maico bashing thread. Haters be hatin' ;D
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa474/090bvb/EUROTRASH_zps6d3700fa.jpg) (http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/090bvb/media/EUROTRASH_zps6d3700fa.jpg.html)
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Cos they've never ridden a 490 Maico Brad and got no idea.
Funny how at Farleigh VMXdN with the best Twinshock riders in the world no one rides a YZ465.. cos you'd get beaten to death around there on one!
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Very cool photo indeed, Brad!
Don't want to clutter the thread any more, but can you pm me the info about who shot it, please?
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Cos they've never ridden a 490 Maico Brad and got no idea.
Funny how at Farleigh VMXdN with the best Twinshock riders in the world no one rides a YZ465.. cos you'd get beaten to death around there on one!
Exactly. Weapon of choice the world over? Maico Mega2. Why? Because no one is getting paid to ride the jap crap any more haha.
Very cool photo indeed, Brad!
Don't want to clutter the thread any more, but can you pm me the info about who shot it, please?
Too late for that Tony!
That was shot by Vic Freiberg who has been putting together a documentary on vmx. He also gave me the retro motocross action jersey I am wearing.
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That's a sweet photo!!!!!
Makes me wanna buy a maico :)
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Only because they weren't going. The 465 blew up as soon as he started it. Bought sight unseen. Obviously not as described. He rang me after finding chux supa wipes in both air boxes in lieu of the air filter. Not happy Jan. Ask him he'll tell you the story.
Your gotta be fluckin kidding me... >:(
Who sold him that shitbox ???
Hope it wasn't a forum member...
Hang your head in shame if it was.
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Amazing how a Honda bike thread turns into another Maico bashing thread. Haters be hatin' ;D
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa474/090bvb/EUROTRASH_zps6d3700fa.jpg) (http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/090bvb/media/EUROTRASH_zps6d3700fa.jpg.html)
Yes that's a great photo Brad but you know what I'm going to say. All Maicos should be red
Bill now I understand why you are so anti Maico
[/quote] I actually like Maico as a brand, and the 77 AW and 79 magnum models are in my top ten favorite bikes list :)
Its all the hype and inflated prices of the 81 490s that i will never understand :-\ maybe im just pissed off that i took 2 running examples to the scrap yard in 1988 ;D [/quote]
Of course in 1988 no one knew how popular they would become. I have had two 490s a GS and a MX. I paid $2,000.00 and $2,500.00 for them. I've still got the MXers. It even has a reed valve barrel.
Kevin
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MAICO's RULE
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Amazing how a Honda bike thread turns into another Maico bashing thread. Haters be hatin' ;D
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa474/090bvb/EUROTRASH_zps6d3700fa.jpg) (http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/090bvb/media/EUROTRASH_zps6d3700fa.jpg.html)
Yes that's a great photo Brad but you know what I'm going to say. All Maicos should be red
Bill now I understand why you are so anti Maico
I actually like Maico as a brand, and the 77 AW and 79 magnum models are in my top ten favorite bikes list :)
Its all the hype and inflated prices of the 81 490s that i will never understand :-\ maybe im just pissed off that i took 2 running examples to the scrap yard in 1988 ;D [/quote]
Of course in 1988 no one knew how popular they would become. I have had two 490s a GS and a MX. I paid $2,000.00 and $2,500.00 for them. I've still got the MXers. It even has a reed valve barrel.
Kevin
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True story ::) I was living back in the UK at the time and racing modern and the odd pre 65/ pre 75 sidecar meeting . I took the Maicos in on a deal ( was dealing all sorts back then , wanna buy a Rolex mister ;D ) my oldest was only a baby and could see no real use for these old Maicos . I probably listed them in the Loot magazine ( trade and exchange type weekly ) and got no response, and I don't think even the bike wrecker wanted them , so they went to Jordans scrap metal in Portsmouth ::) along with a VW Kombi and some other scrap .
I think one was a 400 and one or 490
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Bill it one of the things in life, we would all love to have some decisions over again.
I bet you're not the only one who threw things away that you regret now.
I bought a Road Race bike once (1972 TZ Yamaha I think) A guy had put a Maico 490 motor in the rolling chassis. I bought it for the motor and bits of a 2nd engine. I think I paid about $1,000.00. Anyway I bought it for the Maico motor and bits.
I sold the rolling chassis for about $500.00. Really the alloy tank and seat where probably worth twice that.
Also the motor had been ported. It really was a fast 490.
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I bet you're not the only one who threw things away that you regret now
Back in the early 90's I bought a nickel plated frame & mono swingarm at a swapmeet that some doobie had fitted (or tried to fit) a Kawasaki 500 triple into and had failed miserably. I wasn't sure what it was, it'd been to hell and back with both road rash and butcher engineering and everyone I asked had a different opinion. Eventually I swapped it for something or other, I really can't remember but what I do remember is running into the bloke a year later and him telling me it was a genuine Nico Bakker TZ350 frame that he got Laurie Alderton to fix. Apparently he sold it for many, many times what I paid and later got for it.