OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: nada on November 26, 2013, 10:01:11 pm
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Hi Guys
I would like to get some numbers and interest?
Northern Districts Club, would like to know who is interested in a Pre 95 class for 2014, to piggy back with the pre 90 Class, inclusions of pre 85! we're looking at some nice grass tracks, MX tracks etc
Our own series for 2014!!
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Ummm this is news to me.
As Secretary of Northern Districts MCC I assumed I was across all the future plans of the club…maybe I didn't get the memo ??? ??? ???
Cheers
Shaun
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:o
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Isn't this misrepresentation of a club, and if so, the topic should be removed, and nada thrown to the lions 8), sorry that just happened up here, maybe not then ;)
and wouldn't it be just called "old moderns" ::)
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why wouldnt you guys ask him instead of putting on ya frilly nickers on here , big noters
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please see other topic about "scruples"
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That seems to have gone well. ::)
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and wouldn't it be just called "old moderns" ::)
Thats a much better name ;)
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Pre 85 and pre90'would be cool? Is there really demand for pre 95?
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and wouldn't it be just called "old moderns" ::)
Thats a much better name ;)
And that's exactly what it is.. The title 'Vintage MX' doesn't fit
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And that's exactly what it is.. The title 'Vintage MX' doesn't fit
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so is it Post Classic ?? any other suggestions on name title !!
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And that's exactly what it is.. The title 'Vintage MX' doesn't fit
so is it Post Classic ?? any other suggestions on name title !!
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Cheap racing on unfashionable bikes, has a nice ring to it ;D
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I wasn't being derogitory Wal , i mean compared to vintage racing it would be cheap ATM as you can pick the bikes up for next to nothing . Parts you just go to your local dealer or accessory shop , Unfashionable as the modern set wouldn't be seen dead on one and they have no connection with vintage .
That era is a bit of a nothing era , the bikes have no historical significance , after 89 it all become very beige until the ali framed Hondas and then the first of the modern diesals :)
Hey if people want to race them good on them ( i was still racing in that era just cant remember anything about it as it was a bit beige ) but any association should be with moderns .
Vintage pre 1960 to 1989 so say 1960 to 1990 30 yrs 1990 to 2013 23 yrs still old but not vintage :)
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I am sick of hearing this crap . VMX is VMX it was created by people for the people who rode in the 60,s 70 and 80s no one else and that is where the bikes and sport lies period.This bleating on about needing young blood and later classes is crap , when the sport dies for want of people to ride from those early eras its over too bad we have all had a pretty good time of it .Enjoy it and bring in more people from those eras to ride the old bikes. By having more classes you only thin what we have.And if you are worried about loosing the millions you have put into your bikes tooooo bad it is a recreation not a investment and by restoring them and importing them you have only lessened the supply demand chain so their value will continue to Decrease.
After 1989 they are basicly moderns so g ask politely to get a class at your next modern round. Besides the tracks we have wont suit and would be very boring for you
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VMX wasn't founded just for guys who rode back in the day and no one else.
At the recent Nats the Pre 75 classes were full. What percentage of them actually raced a Pre 75 in 74 or earlier. Not too many I'll bet. If we had your model these Pre 75 races would have been less than half full.
If you think encouraging young guys to ride is crap maybe you should start your own old fart only club.
BTW....1974 Suzuki TM was the first bike I owned/ raced in 1974
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This thread is about to turn to shit, and rightly so.
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I agree
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I assume i was a wind up anyway ;D
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Yeah Shaun, i tried to call you last week, but you didn't answer or return my call, so I spoke with Minno. I understand your flat out with other shit. But, give me a buzz if you have a chance, i wont be at the Raymond Tce, I'm heading home to Vic, i'll PM you my number.
I'm trying to get some interest, see who's out there, and see if the numbers are there. Nobody is going to knock back 15 riders, plus, i know there are guys out there with this on their mind, i just have to find them! A mate of mine in Vic is restoring a 94 CR 250 (McGrath Replica) I stumbled across it by accident, and he is as keen as! I have several esquires over Stalkbook.
In previous threads, we were told, if we want pre 90, 95 etc, then go out and do something, get what you want and do it off your own back. Well you decrepit old farts, You got your wish, I'm here and i wont go away. I'm getting off my backside, and i'm doing something about it!!!
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Just to quantify my remarks about young riders . If they want to ride the current classes thats really cool . just dont get bored and then want to change it up.
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It's only going to turn shit, because you want it to turn shit!
If you supported us, and helped us, instead of belittling us, we wouldn't be squabbling like 10yo schoolgirls! FFS we're all interested in the same thing! We don't want to ride at a pre 75 meet, nor do we want to gatecrash your little party. We want our own series, and movement!
No, Not piggybacked on the moderns! If you helped us, this would all end, but no! your all terrified of us! WHY?
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Hey Nada
Why don't you arrange a pre 95 ride day (social only) and see how many turn up?
Pre entry only to gauge the interest.
I reckon pre 85 class Pre 90 class and Pre 95 classes would be cool if it got off the ground?
You just need a host club?
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Great Idea Paul!!!
I will do that! Thanks!
This is what i'm looking for, constructive comments, not constant negativity towards the movement.
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Ok I'm happy to help out if needed.
I don't know much about MA etc but I am sure there would be some good guys on here that would help.
I think you would need to at least offer pre 85 through to pre 95 or you will not have any numbers.
How many guys really have a pre 95 ready to ride?? I guess not so many?
I would be keen to have a go at pre 85
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Oh absolutely Paul, Pre 85 right through.
i'm hearing you, but if you give them something to aim to, they will fix up the old CR laying in the shed, instead of letting it rot.
Thanks mate, much appreciated!
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Pre 95 is not a vintage bike. People keep pushing for newer classes to be included because they're nicer to ride, thats not what vintage mx is about and that's not why we ride it.
If you want something nice to ride get a modern bike!
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If you helped us, this would all end, but no! your all terrified of us! WHY?
;D ;D ;D ;D
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how about the "2 stroke class"?
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Great Idea Paul!!!
I will do that! Thanks!
This is what i'm looking for, constructive comments, not constant negativity towards the movement.
You only get negativity because you insist on voicing your ideas on a VINTAGE forum , in the same way i would if i went onto a footy forum and said i want the club to start playing soccer , after all they both use a ball ;)
Vintage ends at Pre 90 Why dont you take your formula to the moderns ??? You say were terrified of you ::) why are you so terrified of taking what you want to ride to moderns ???
What is so attractive about aligning your movement with in your words decrepit old farts ???
Your era is like it or not the beige era but it is historically closer to modern MX than Vintage MX .
Obviously the next step is pre 2000 ( because you can buy a 1998 YZ400F with blown motor for $1.80 ) and then pre 2005 and so on . Nothing wrong with that if that's what butters your cracker :) but take it to where it belongs moderns .
I genuinely and sincerely wish you good luck with what you are trying to create :) but don't kid yourself or others that what you want to do is VMX its not ,its an element of modern MX .
http://www.fullnoise.com.au/forum/
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Yeah Shaun, i tried to call you last week, but you didn't answer or return my call, so I spoke with Minno. I understand your flat out with other shit. But, give me a buzz if you have a chance, i wont be at the Raymond Tce, I'm heading home to Vic, i'll PM you my number.
I'm trying to get some interest, see who's out there, and see if the numbers are there. Nobody is going to knock back 15 riders, plus, i know there are guys out there with this on their mind, i just have to find them! A mate of mine in Vic is restoring a 94 CR 250 (McGrath Replica) I stumbled across it by accident, and he is as keen as! I have several esquires over Stalkbook.
In previous threads, we were told, if we want pre 90, 95 etc, then go out and do something, get what you want and do it off your own back. Well you decrepit old farts, You got your wish, I'm here and i wont go away. I'm getting off my backside, and i'm doing something about it!!!
No worries mate. I am real sorry but I have not received any messages. Until I saw my pm's a couple of minutes ago I had no idea who Nada was.
As you know our series is fairly loose in that if you rock up on a pre'95 we won't knock you back from riding with us. However that should not be misinterpreted as acceptance of pre '95 in our club. As I have said to you in the past, ride if you want but you just will not be included in our point score.
Over the last three years we have been running "all in" races for pre '90. We are still at the stage where if we get a grid of 20 we are stoked. Pre '90 is a recognised vintage class in the MOM's and until it is operating at capacity I can't see our club even contemplating a push for pre '95 inclusion.
I would encourage you to work towards getting your own series going if you really think the world is ready for Pre '95. This is the path we have been on for three years after being told the same as you that if we wanted Pre '90 we would have to do it ourselves. I can tell you that it is not an easy road to travel. Sure you will have all sorts of people keen for it to happen in the beginning but when it is time to put words into action you may find yourself pretty lonely.
Good luck with it though!
Cheers
Shaun
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All good Shaun, i'm just trying to generate some interest in the club, add more value! Totally understand where your coming from:)
I'll actually be riding next year on my 84 KTM i brought off Nathan, so i'm pretty sure i'ts pre 90:)
I had a good chat to a few mates who are keen on Pre 95, we all agree it has nothing to do with the "ride" as Johnny O mentioned. It's all to do with the era of MX you grew up in, who you was on your wall.
In 1994, I was 14 and rode a KX80. I had Jeremy McGrath and Kim Ashkenazi plastered on my wall, i like the disastrous fluro paint and sticker kits, all that stuff.
Now, i'm financially able to support myself in racing, I'd like to ride what i admired when i was a kid? So, i guess Pre 95 is my era, but its not catered for, so Pre 90 is the next best thing. I'll ride pre 90, and support the club, who supports me.
I'm also going to champagne hard, and try to generate as much interest as i can, to grow the sport.
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I have a 2004 Husky 125 can I race it in pre 2005.
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Why not run a two stroke class and pre 95 down to pre 85 ?
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Why not run a two stroke class and pre 95 down to pre 85 ?
Yep, All great ideas!! I have jotted them down:)
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just thrown em in with the pre90's less the club pointscore much the same anyway what are you going to get another half a dozen dead keen enthusiasts who love riding and restoring bikes ,most of the bikes are nearly 20 years old anyway , just fill the grid, ps got a nice 92' yammy wr500 for sale soon 8)
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just thrown em in with the pre90's less the club pointscore much the same anyway what are you going to get another half a dozen dead keen enthusiasts who love riding and restoring bikes ,most of the bikes are nearly 20 years old anyway , just fill the grid, ps got a nice wr500 for sale soon 8)
I like your style young man!!
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Why not run a two stroke class and pre 95 down to pre 85 ?
+1
Retro2T class
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for sale i set jt body armour excellent condition ... pink
hey nada make a great crissy present for youself ;) ;)
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Retro 2t Class:) I like it:)
Oh, Its mine Branchy if your serious!!!!!!!!!!
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May as well go to 2000 2 stroke not much difference :-\ :-\ :-\ :( :( :(
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May as well go to 2000 2 stroke not much difference :-\ :-\ :-\ :( :( :(
That is probably a fair point, and all ideaIt' should be considered. I will jot that down also.
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Who's Jeremy Mcgrath and Kim Ashkenazi . Iain ;D ;D
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Who's Jeremy Mcgrath and Kim Ashkenazi . Iain ;D ;D
hahahaha I bet you know who Rodger De Coster is ;) ;)
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It is hard in this game to be all things to all people,
Good luck
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Who's Jeremy Mcgrath and Kim Ashkenazi . Iain ;D ;D
hahahaha I bet you know who Rodger De Coster is ;) ;)
I know a Roger DeCoster
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It is hard in this game to be all things to all people,
Good luck
Thank you, I appreciate it. It's nice to receive support as apposed to constant derogatory comments.
Judging by the reaction & support I have received from a simple Facebook site, I am clearly not the only one who shares this passion, and this only in a few hours.
I have received messages from punters saying they have been waiting for this and offering support to get it this off the ground.
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It is hard in this game to be all things to all people,
Good luck
Thank you, I appreciate it. It's nice to receive support as apposed to constant derogatory comments.
Judging by the reaction & support I have received from a simple Facebook site, I am clearly not the only one who shares this passion, and this only in a few hours.
I have received messages from punters saying they have been waiting for this and offering support to get it this off the ground.
Face book? Got a link?
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Sure do ;D
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pre-2000-MX-SeriesSocial-ride-days-Pre-2000959085/191216071066882
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Found this
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/denman/motorcycles/attention-all-interested-in-pre-95-90-85-vmx-cr-kx-rm-ktm-yz/1032892921
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Found this
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/denman/motorcycles/attention-all-interested-in-pre-95-90-85-vmx-cr-kx-rm-ktm-yz/1032892921
Yeah, i put that on earlier aslo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I had some scammer wanting to buy the bike! the email he sent me was a pisser:)
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Got a date for 1st ride day?
Venue?
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i used to race with a steve Ashkenazi he owned a bike shop in engadine (THE SHIRE)
JIM
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Got a date for 1st ride day?
Venue?
No yet, it's all happened so fast! I'll need to have a chat with the other lads, and let you know as soon as its announced.
Jim,
Nice, i'm looking for a house in The Shire, but closer to San Souci! its a good area! Does he still have the shop?
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Nada, if you have a lot of riders interested in that era, pre95, pre90, go for it, I don`t knock anybody for having a go, and hope that your club and riders will support you and your idea, which will help the club to grow financially, don`t worry about these knockers on this forum as a lot of them where rose colored glasses, and they still think friday,every day, (they do call it ground hog day. another word for it to, they are living in the 70`s. anyway go for it and do it right and it will work out ok.
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no it went mabe 10 years ago.
i used to live in the shire for the last 20 years but now have 5 acres and a fully renoed house .just in time for fishing now the house is finished.can mow the lawn through the week at about 12klm an hour on my husky 30ph twin ride on.
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I promised to bite my tongue for as long as I could... I managed 24 hours....
The lack of respect here is disgusting.
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What I'm seeing more and more of, is that this forum is the old grumble-bum forum, and its only silly bastards like me who bother to swim against the current. Instead, plenty of others are just going away and getting on with their involvement in old bikes without the need to rehash the same old bullshit.
After Christ-knows how many fruitless conversations have been had on this topic on these forums - nada's FB group has 59 members within a few hours, suggesting that the support is far stronger than anyone expected.
It seems so obvious now, but the real problem was looking for support and positivity in the grumble-bum forum.
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I have a drz400e 2008 model is it an eligible follow on model
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I have a drz400e 2008 model is it an eligible follow on model
Why not, if you ride a DRz400 you'd be used to following people!! ;D ;)
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Dave the Drz has been around unchanged forever sarcasm the lowest form of wit is obviously lost on you.
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I understand where your coming from, Nada is a young fellow that is trying something new, for the people who like that era, and I support him for having a go., its know different, when I started the Classic scramble club 15 odd years ago.
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I grew up riding the so called beige era but ride pre75 now because(and love it) nothing exist for Nada's era without riding in the moderns, I have tried, but the tracks scare the crap out of me, at 45 I don't bounce well now days, and if they can get one more position and use you for traction to get it they will, which doesn't happen in classic's but the racing is still close and fun so if he can capture the essence of both who knows what could happen go for it bloke.
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What I'm seeing more and more of, is that this forum is the old grumble-bum forum, and its only silly bastards like me who bother to swim against the current. Instead, plenty of others are just going away and getting on with their involvement in old bikes without the need to rehash the same old bullshit.
After Christ-knows how many fruitless conversations have been had on this topic on these forums - nada's FB group has 59 members within a few hours, suggesting that the support is far stronger than anyone expected.
It seems so obvious now, but the real problem was looking for support and positivity in the grumble-bum forum.
I don't really care one way or the other if pre 95 gets a following or not. To those who appreciate bikes from the beige era (thanks Bill) like Nada and Nathan I really hope you can get off your arses, stop postulating and actually do something to get it happening. At least Nada has started the ball rolling with a facebook page and approaches to Norths club. That's way more productive that the continuous bleating about it on this forum. At the risk of repeating myself yet again, this old grumble bums only objection to the introduction of pre 95 are purely based on the lack of time the pre 90 class has had to get itself settled in as a legitimate section of our sport. How long after the introduction of pre 95 will it be before some keen punter starts the call for pre 2000 or a '2 Stroke class'. Based on the rapidity in which the pre 90 class was introduced after the pre 85 class was established and now this call coming so soon after pre 90 gets accepted, it's sure to be only months before someone with an old YZ400F in the shed decides that it's a VMX bike and calls for us old grumblebums to welcome it and its ilk into the VMX movement as the saviour of our supposedly dying sport.
Despite what may be thought of me, I do appreciate bikes from that era and I've owned them and actually like some of the less beige bikes and would love a '92 610 Husky in my collection. However, no matter what you call them they're not VMX bikes......at least not in this decade anyway. Earlier in this thread the suggestion was made to include them as a sideshow on the moderns program which I think is an excellent idea. they're a terrific alternative for the modern racer who might feel a bit alienated on something so ancient as a 1988 model, let alone something so 'other worldly' as a pre 75 bike.
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What I'm seeing more and more of, is that this forum is the old grumble-bum forum, and its only silly bastards like me who bother to swim against the current. Instead, plenty of others are just going away and getting on with their involvement in old bikes without the need to rehash the same old bullshit.
After Christ-knows how many fruitless conversations have been had on this topic on these forums - nada's FB group has 59 members within a few hours, suggesting that the support is far stronger than anyone expected.
It seems so obvious now, but the real problem was looking for support and positivity in the grumble-bum forum.
Well there you go Nath obviously a VMX forum is not the place to drum up support for semi modern classes , facebook is the way to go :)
You have said in other threads that your old bike days are behind you and that you enjoy the later VMX eras and beyond .
I hope you guys make it work and bring a whole new element to offroad motorcycling .
I have ridden raced bikes from the mid 70s to the present and don't particularly dislike any particular bikes or eras.
VMX is many things to many people but a common theme from the old stuff to the later eras is the challenge of restoration , tracking down parts and using forums like this to share knowledge of various models and sources for parts etc .
Of course 1990 on bikes were a little bit different to the earlier models (mostly gay seat covers and graphics ) I had bikes in that era ;) there was sweet FA technological advances in that era to speak of up until the Ali framed Hondas and the modern diesels and many would say that was a backward step, so no connection with VMX there .
Once you get past pre 90 wheres the challenge ??? bikes are a dime a dozen and parts are still readily available at your local dealer ,so any connection with VMX is lost there .
All this wanting to align post 1989 racing with VMX reminds me of a bloke who was once asked if he would like to run a marathon for charity . Shit no he said , then someone told him it was for disabled kids and he thought "fork it i could win this" ;D
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its hard to find good old mx bikes and cost big money to sum people after pre 90 are cheaper if you guys stop hording them may let people buy them
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its hard to find good old mx bikes and cost big money to sum people after pre 90 are cheaper if you guys stop hording them may let people buy them
Mate im assuming that you are talking about the older eras ??? That argument comes up every few months , the reality is there are way more older bikes on the market than there are buyers .
After 1990 they are cheaper of course as with few exceptions nobody wants them . Once these blokes get their new movement up and running then there will be a market for those model bikes and their prices to will increase .
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its hard to find good old mx bikes and cost big money to sum people after pre 90 are cheaper if you guys stop hording them may let people buy them
BULLSHIT, What are you living under a rock or something?
A cash strapped planet sending container loads of bikes to every state in the lucky country.
There has never been a cheaper or more plentiful availability of VMX bikes and projects laying in wait for the punter.
It might pay you to think before you open it!
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geezas mick,you said you were off the piss ;D,fork me another 5 pages of shit throwing,geezas Nada i thought you were forking off from us old farts,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :P
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geezas mick,you said you were off the piss ;D,fork me another 5 pages of shit throwing,geezas Nada i thought you were forking off from us old farts,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :P
Yes, well I was ::) Undergoing a massive clean-out at the moment though. Found an old carton of German beer, promptly pored all them down the sink. Found an unopened bottle of Couger Burbon, gave that one to my liver, back on the wagon now though. Just couldn't bring myself to tip that one out ::)
I have seen and know of contents of three miss managed NSW wreckers go through the scraper shredders.
One I inspected on consideration of purchase. Hundreds of bikes and thousands of valuable hard to get parts, gone forever(from the late 60's to pre-85 period). He could have made a fortune through ebay, but he didn't know what he had and instead of researching it, he was too busy spending the proceeds of any sale on the pokies at the pub next door instead of paying his rent.
And I wont be taking shit of anyone that reckons or suggests that people like me choosing to spend hard earn't importing, collecting and gathering from foreign shores rare frames, engines, hubs and forks etc to construct and add to endangered classes is somehow the reason he cant find a bike. What for free. FFS.
This 77 AW440 project
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/IMGP4737_zps2ed51a28.jpg~original)
Recently started for sale on this forum for $3,500, I was told? Then reduce to $1100.
It sat here for over three days at that price, viewed by hundreds of hits, yet still no-sale.
The makings of one of the best pre-78 open classers around. And so many have expressed that they would like one and are looking for one.
What were they waiting for? Free? And I honestly sat back for three days hopping to give anyone other than myself a chance.
Go and GFed!
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May as well go to 2000 2 stroke not much difference :-\ :-\ :-\ :( :( :(
I like this idea, but that is because I have got a RWJ 500 that was raced in the 2000 World MX Champs.
Anyway back to Pre 95 ????
Here are the facts.
1. Pre 90 was introduced (in MOMS) in 2012 when the 1989 model bikes were 23 years old.
2. An 1994 model bike will be 23 year old in 2017, in three years time.
3. We do have two different groups in the Vintage movement Classic and Post Classic. While some might dispute this. This has been shown to me to be reality, by the lac of interest on this forum when I created a thread for the Post Classic Championship next year at Echo Valley Toowoomba.
4. It was only when someone (and I still don't know who) created a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5 (https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5) for the Post Classic MX Champs, that the real interest has been displayed.
5. I do think both Classic and Post Classic can be run together, but there will be times when they won't be.
If a club wants to give Pre 95 a go they can, but at this stage I suggest it isn't called Classic or Vintage MX. A meeting can be run with other classes as well. The Dirt Track at Nudgee (Miles for Mal) had a class for Veteran riders on modern bikes.
Also please note. Most older riders (even as young as 30) don't want to race on modern tracks. That is why the Thumper Nats was so popular.
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its hard to find good old mx bikes and cost big money to sum people after pre 90 are cheaper if you guys stop hording them may let people buy them
That's a fair point:)
HAHAH Gay seat covers:) That made me smile:)
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Firko, you can't claim to be supportive of an era that you also describe as beige...
The backhander shows how shallow your support is.
Bill's beige/all the same description is just as wrong in Pre-95 as it is for Pre-75 - and time spent riding or working on the bikes makes that obvious.
It is very clear that despite some grand statements and the occasional token gestures, the sport of VMX is only about Baby Boomers - anyone else is merely tolerated, but only if they behave exactly the right way...
Congratulations people, you're making your wish come true... ;)
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Thanks to the guys who have offered support, the response on the FB site has been enormous and i'm excited as to where it might be taken.
Now a shit load of had work needs to be put in to get something happening!
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Firko, you can't claim to be supportive of an era that you also describe as beige...
The backhander shows how shallow your support is.
Bill's beige/all the same description is just as wrong in Pre-95 as it is for Pre-75 - and time spent riding or working on the bikes makes that obvious.
It is very clear that despite some grand statements and the occasional token gestures, the sport of VMX is only about Baby Boomers - anyone else is merely tolerated, but only if they behave exactly the right way...
Congratulations people, you're making your wish come true... ;)
Thats ironic , i have changed the colour of the statement i wanted to highlight to beige and its virtually invisible ;D
Allright ill bite what are the big differences then Nathan ? i raced all through that era and cant remember anything significant ??? except the seat cover revolution .
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Same as the differences between 1970 and 1974 then...
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I have met nada at a Buladelah event. He seemed like a very decent hard working young bloke.
He is just younger than most of us and accordingly prefers younger bikes and the majority of him and them will be here, long after we have floated down the Ganges ::)
I will have a run on my pre-85, if it works out within two or so hours travel. Especially if you do a grass track meet.
Good luck, count me in for membership ;)
At some point I will be there with my Nephew, sooner than latter.
I don't care about plastic sheepstations, it is about the duel with the bike next to me and love having fun in the company of my family and friends.
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I have met nada at a Buladelah event. He seemed like a very decent hard working young bloke.
He is just younger than most of us and accordingly prefers younger bikes and the majority of him and them will be here, long after we have floated down the Ganges ::)
I will have a run on my pre-85, if it works out within two or so hours travel. Especially if you do a grass track meet.
Good luck, count me in for membership ;)
At some point I will be there with my Nephew, sooner than latter.
I don't care about plastic sheepstations, it is about the duel with the bike next to me and love having fun in the company of my family and friends.
Thanks Mick :)
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sounds like fun i will dust off the wr500 (" wernt they just a lazy490") start sprucing it up , anyone know how to stop this thing igniting and lurching through corners
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sounds like fun i will dust off the wr500 (" wernt they just a lazy490") start sprucing it up , anyone know how to stop this thing igniting and lurching through corners
hahaha ceramic bakes maybe Branchy:)
I'd like to see a cross section of tracks Grass, MX etc, but we need to crawl before we walk:)
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Firko, you can't claim to be supportive of an era that you also describe as beige...
The backhander shows how shallow your support is.
Bill's beige/all the same description is just as wrong in Pre-95 as it is for Pre-75 - and time spent riding or working on the bikes makes that obvious.
It is very clear that despite some grand statements and the occasional token gestures, the sport of VMX is only about Baby Boomers - anyone else is merely tolerated, but only if they behave exactly the right way...
Congratulations people, you're making your wish come true... ;)
Thats ironic , i have changed the colour of the statement i wanted to highlight to beige and its virtually invisible ;D
Allright ill bite what are the big differences then Nathan ? i raced all through that era and cant remember anything significant ??? except the seat cover revolution .
This era (1990 on) of MX in Australia was very exciting. I was Race Secretary/Series Co-ordinator for the Shell Advance/Sunshine State MX series. We went from about 200 entries to 400 plus. It was the era for Queensland that produced riders like Andrew McFarlane, Troy Carroll, Michael Byrne, Mick Cook etc and there were just as many in other states.
To say it was beige is insulting. There are a lot of riders and ex-riders out there from this era. It was also when the Thumper Nats was at it's best.
If this wasn't your era no worries, but don't insult it.
Kevin
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Firko, you can't claim to be supportive of an era that you also describe as beige...
The backhander shows how shallow your support is.
Bill's beige/all the same description is just as wrong in Pre-95 as it is for Pre-75 - and time spent riding or working on the bikes makes that obvious.
It is very clear that despite some grand statements and the occasional token gestures, the sport of VMX is only about Baby Boomers - anyone else is merely tolerated, but only if they behave exactly the right way...
Congratulations people, you're making your wish come true... ;)
Thats ironic , i have changed the colour of the statement i wanted to highlight to beige and its virtually invisible ;D
Allright ill bite what are the big differences then Nathan ? i raced all through that era and cant remember anything significant ??? except the seat cover revolution .
This era (1990 on) of MX in Australia was very exciting. I was Race Secretary/Series Co-ordinator for the Shell Advance/Sunshine State MX series. We went from about 200 entries to 400 plus. It was the era for Queensland that produced riders like Andrew McFarlane, Troy Carroll, Michael Byrne, Mick Cook etc and there were just as many in other states.
To say it was beige is insulting. There are a lot of riders and ex-riders out there from this era. It was also when the Thumper Nats was at it's best.
If this wasn't your era no worries, but don't insult it.
Kevin
Back the fork up there Kev >:( >:( >:( we were talking about bikes not the era in general ::) yes as far as racing goes it was an exciting time for sure and across the world not just in Aussie . But as far as bikes go it was as beige as a Camira ;)
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Firko, you can't claim to be supportive of an era that you also describe as beige...
The backhander shows how shallow your support is.
Bill's beige/all the same description is just as wrong in Pre-95 as it is for Pre-75 - and time spent riding or working on the bikes makes that obvious.
It is very clear that despite some grand statements and the occasional token gestures, the sport of VMX is only about Baby Boomers - anyone else is merely tolerated, but only if they behave exactly the right way...
Congratulations people, you're making your wish come true... ;)
Thats ironic , i have changed the colour of the statement i wanted to highlight to beige and its virtually invisible ;D
Allright ill bite what are the big differences then Nathan ? i raced all through that era and cant remember anything significant ??? except the seat cover revolution .
This era (1990 on) of MX in Australia was very exciting. I was Race Secretary/Series Co-ordinator for the Shell Advance/Sunshine State MX series. We went from about 200 entries to 400 plus. It was the era for Queensland that produced riders like Andrew McFarlane, Troy Carroll, Michael Byrne, Mick Cook etc and there were just as many in other states.
To say it was beige is insulting. There are a lot of riders and ex-riders out there from this era. It was also when the Thumper Nats was at it's best.
If this wasn't your era no worries, but don't insult it.
Kevin
Back the fork up there Kev >:( >:( >:( we were talking about bikes not the era in general ::) yes as far as racing goes it was an exciting time for sure and across the world not just in Aussie . But as far as bikes go it was as beige as a Camira ;)
I was told you drive a Camira Mr. Bill?
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sinisalo-Motocross-Jeremy-McGrath-/190985451893?pt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&hash=item2c779eb975
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I was told you drive a Camira Mr. Bill?
You busted me Nada :-[ :-[ :-[ and its a Beige one at that ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A camira is too new for N Zed isn't it? Aren't you still driving Morris Minors?
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Only as a back now Kev for when the Camira breaks down ( witch is fairly regularly ) ;D ;D ;D
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hahahaha A man who can take a joke:) good on you Mr. Bill:) ;)
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sinisalo-Motocross-Jeremy-McGrath-/190985451893?pt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&hash=item2c779eb975
Christ Branchy, I'm going to be broke:(
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Nada, I was 14yo in 94 and loved all the bikes of OUR era. I also love all the bikes of my DADS era... and everything in between. Im an enthusiast and appreciate all the passion these older guys have for bikes of there era. People think im weird when I am chewing there ears off about maico's at work. I haven't read through all the posts so probably repeating shit! As stated in the top right hand side of my screen.."The forum for fans of old dirtbikes" Me personally, a 92 CR250 is old and I will happily support any mx to create another form of affordable racing away from the modern 4 stroke scene.
Im sure my dad would be pumped for me to have an interest in my era of mxers, just like all us younger guys have been supporting the scene from eras where it was long before our time. It works both ways in my opinion. I have a 1981 Maico 490 that dad built, and its the most satisfying thing ive ever had in my shed. It gets my blood pumping just looking at it. Just need to ride it more instead of just racing go karts!
Ive followed mx closely from early 90's and still do. I started VMX at 22yo, and loved it. I remember when pre90 was being talked about and honestly it was a bit weird but exciting for the few young guys having a crack, at the thought of pre90 in VMX but look now, it generated interest from a different era of riders and is a recognized class. More entries means more $$$ and more $$$ means its a bit more attractive to the clubs to run an event. Seeing simon healys 88' KX500 tearing up the track was unreal.
Good luck with it all, ive already heard a few lads talking at work about what your thinking of from Facebook.
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Alpinestar-Motocross-Boots-Retro-VMX-/190985448141?pt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&hash=item2c779eaacd
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sinisalo-Motocross-Jeremy-McGrath-/190985451893?pt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&hash=item2c779eb975
Christ Branchy, I'm going to be broke:(
at least youll look shit hot got the pink jt armour packed up for you merry xmas
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Branchy, Did you end up getting the honda.
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No dave , i got a.... new starter motor and a huge bill for the wiring loom that goes to it on my 4x4
you should post that photo on here i am sure it will be sold before the end of days trading
i appoligised to graham , talk soon
sweet little honda project for some likely lad or lass the pipe alone is worth the cash
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Nada, I was 14yo in 94 and loved all the bikes of OUR era. I also love all the bikes of my DADS era... and everything in between. Im an enthusiast and appreciate all the passion these older guys have for bikes of there era. People think im weird when I am chewing there ears off about maico's at work. I haven't read through all the posts so probably repeating shit! As stated in the top right hand side of my screen.."The forum for fans of old dirtbikes" Me personally, a 92 CR250 is old and I will happily support any mx to create another form of affordable racing away from the modern 4 stroke scene.
Im sure my dad would be pumped for me to have an interest in my era of mxers, just like all us younger guys have been supporting the scene from eras where it was long before our time. It works both ways in my opinion. I have a 1981 Maico 490 that dad built, and its the most satisfying thing ive ever had in my shed. It gets my blood pumping just looking at it. Just need to ride it more instead of just racing go karts!
Ive followed mx closely from early 90's and still do. I started VMX at 22yo, and loved it. I remember when pre90 was being talked about and honestly it was a bit weird but exciting for the few young guys having a crack, at the thought of pre90 in VMX but look now, it generated interest from a different era of riders and is a recognized class. More entries means more $$$ and more $$$ means its a bit more attractive to the clubs to run an event. Seeing simon healys 88' KX500 tearing up the track was unreal.
Good luck with it all, ive already heard a few lads talking at work about what your thinking of from Facebook.
mxmaniac It's great to see you have such a loved of VMX. I see you would like to ride/race your Maico 490 more. Check this facebook page out https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5 (https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5) for the Australian Post Classic MX Champs next year at Toowoomba.
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Nada, I was 14yo in 94 and loved all the bikes of OUR era. I also love all the bikes of my DADS era... and everything in between. Im an enthusiast and appreciate all the passion these older guys have for bikes of there era. People think im weird when I am chewing there ears off about maico's at work. I haven't read through all the posts so probably repeating shit! As stated in the top right hand side of my screen.."The forum for fans of old dirtbikes" Me personally, a 92 CR250 is old and I will happily support any mx to create another form of affordable racing away from the modern 4 stroke scene.
Im sure my dad would be pumped for me to have an interest in my era of mxers, just like all us younger guys have been supporting the scene from eras where it was long before our time. It works both ways in my opinion. I have a 1981 Maico 490 that dad built, and its the most satisfying thing ive ever had in my shed. It gets my blood pumping just looking at it. Just need to ride it more instead of just racing go karts!
Ive followed mx closely from early 90's and still do. I started VMX at 22yo, and loved it. I remember when pre90 was being talked about and honestly it was a bit weird but exciting for the few young guys having a crack, at the thought of pre90 in VMX but look now, it generated interest from a different era of riders and is a recognized class. More entries means more $$$ and more $$$ means its a bit more attractive to the clubs to run an event. Seeing simon healys 88' KX500 tearing up the track was unreal.
Good luck with it all, ive already heard a few lads talking at work about what your thinking of from Facebook.
Thanks Mate, i have a few dedicated people behind the scenes, we are pretty pumped with the response, and am determind to get something off the ground soon:)
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Firko, you can't claim to be supportive of an era that you also describe as beige...
The backhander shows how shallow your support is.
Bill's beige/all the same description is just as wrong in Pre-95 as it is for Pre-75 - and time spent riding or working on the bikes makes that obvious.
It is very clear that despite some grand statements and the occasional token gestures, the sport of VMX is only about Baby Boomers - anyone else is merely tolerated, but only if they behave exactly the right way...
Congratulations people, you're making your wish come true... ;)
Thats ironic , i have changed the colour of the statement i wanted to highlight to beige and its virtually invisible ;D
Allright ill bite what are the big differences then Nathan ? i raced all through that era and cant remember anything significant ??? except the seat cover revolution .
This era (1990 on) of MX in Australia was very exciting. I was Race Secretary/Series Co-ordinator for the Shell Advance/Sunshine State MX series. We went from about 200 entries to 400 plus. It was the era for Queensland that produced riders like Andrew McFarlane, Troy Carroll, Michael Byrne, Mick Cook etc and there were just as many in other states.
To say it was beige is insulting. There are a lot of riders and ex-riders out there from this era. It was also when the Thumper Nats was at it's best.
If this wasn't your era no worries, but don't insult it.
Kevin
What about me Kevvie LOL :D...I remember us "discussing" issues on a number of occasions lol....
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mxmaniac It's great to see you have such a loved of VMX. I see you would like to ride/race your Maico 490 more. Check this facebook page out https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5 (https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5) for the Australian Post Classic MX Champs next year at Toowoomba.
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I would love to do that event but its probably out of the question at this stage. Hopefully my brother will do it as he still has the 1981 490 he won evo and pre85 Aussie title on in 08 in his shed and lives about an hour or so away! I might fly up and spectate, if the stars align I'd like to ride
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Hi Nathan, How's it going buddy.
Could you ask your Facebook mates if they would be interested in a Off Road park in downtown Penrith. Open say 5/6 days a week along the same lines as Louee or Queensland Moto Park. Run by the Local Council/ NSW Government. I am garnering interest from the mainstream MX community ( very positive ) with a view to have social riding midweek and maybe some meets thru the year all under the MA banner. How good would it be to finish early one day, grab your bike and have a ride/ jet your bike or test that new alloy arm all in under an hour traveling time.
I am going to council to place the seed in the New Year. I need to show that it will be self sufficent ( almost ) and not a drain on the community. May be a pipe dream but we will never know if we don't ask.
Get back to me
Ted
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Hi Nathan, How's it going buddy.
Could you ask your Facebook mates if they would be interested in a Off Road park in downtown Penrith. Open say 5/6 days a week along the same lines as Louee or Queensland Moto Park. Run by the Local Council/ NSW Government. I am garnering interest from the mainstream MX community ( very positive ) with a view to have social riding midweek and maybe some meets thru the year all under the MA banner. How good would it be to finish early one day, grab your bike and have a ride/ jet your bike or test that new alloy arm all in under an hour traveling time.
I am going to council to place the seed in the New Year. I need to show that it will be self sufficent ( almost ) and not a drain on the community. May be a pipe dream but we will never know if we don't ask.
Get back to me
Ted
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Your the man Ted !!!!!!
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Ted good on you for trying. As an ex councillor in Unzud have as much info as you can when you are questioned -re noise,would it effect traffic,nearest nieghbour miles away etc= it will all help your case.
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I have to give it to you Ted, once you've got a cause between your teeth you're more single minded than Porky, my old bull terrier. Good on you mate.
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You know as well as me Mark, only the squeaky wheel gets attention ;D
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Hi Nathan, How's it going buddy.
Could you ask your Facebook mates if they would be interested in a Off Road park in downtown Penrith. Open say 5/6 days a week along the same lines as Louee or Queensland Moto Park. Run by the Local Council/ NSW Government. I am garnering interest from the mainstream MX community ( very positive ) with a view to have social riding midweek and maybe some meets thru the year all under the MA banner. How good would it be to finish early one day, grab your bike and have a ride/ jet your bike or test that new alloy arm all in under an hour traveling time.
I am going to council to place the seed in the New Year. I need to show that it will be self sufficent ( almost ) and not a drain on the community. May be a pipe dream but we will never know if we don't ask.
Get back to me
Ted
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Hey Old Mate, for sure!!!! I'll give you a ring tomorrow night, and i'll post it on my page now:) Hell Yes, i'd say "Hell Yes" would be the Answer:):):) I'll even volunteer one day a week there myself!!
I'm an experienced machine operator, and can create anything you want:) Wooo Hoooo!
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Hi Nathan, How's it going buddy.
Could you ask your Facebook mates if they would be interested in a Off Road park in downtown Penrith. Open say 5/6 days a week along the same lines as Louee or Queensland Moto Park. Run by the Local Council/ NSW Government. I am garnering interest from the mainstream MX community ( very positive ) with a view to have social riding midweek and maybe some meets thru the year all under the MA banner. How good would it be to finish early one day, grab your bike and have a ride/ jet your bike or test that new alloy arm all in under an hour traveling time.
I am going to council to place the seed in the New Year. I need to show that it will be self sufficent ( almost ) and not a drain on the community. May be a pipe dream but we will never know if we don't ask.
Get back to me
Ted
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Hey ya Ted
I have put it out there, and a good response so far!
But, an online petition that I could get shared around wouldn't go astray?
Cheers mate, i'll give you a ring about it!
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Andrew Barter has been trying to get a similar thing going on the northern beaches. You should talk to him as he has been going through discussions with local council
https://m.facebook.com/Belrosemotopark?id=337269916371481&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FBelrosemotopark
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Nada, I see that your putting the hard yards in and sticking to gun, your doing well and it only takes a few good helpers like Ted and others to see your vision and then it will all come together. well done.
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Nada, I see that your putting the hard yards in and sticking to gun, your doing well and it only takes a few good helpers like Ted and others to see your vision and then it will all come together. well done.
What a dad ;D
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Thats Right Mark, I will back him and guide him all the way, thats what Dad`s are for. ;) He has seen enough over the years to know what he need to do, if thats the way he wants to go with
pre 95.
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If Nathan is your son , he is a real credit to you. A polite intelligent young fella. Just wish he rode with us old fellas. Might have to give him a ride on my 77 RM 125 one day, just so he doesn't think they are all shift boxes in Pre 78 ;D
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Thank you Ted, he a good bloke, I hope to have him riding my 77 Husqvarna 125 cr , for next year title, but I think he will need some practise first.
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Get it up to him and I will take it to Heaven meets for him to ride
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When did it click Mark? LOL
Ted, I have kept my 84 KTM to ride with you lads, I'll be renewing my "Heaven" membership in 2014 ;)
I dream is to see everyone catered for. I love MX/SX/VMX and I want to see the sport survive into the next generation and beyond, and my view is progression. You all know that.
We're not going to agree on all subjects, but, that's not a bad problem to have! a healthy debate (although heated at times) is a good thing.
Where our sport has suffered (this is not our fault) is that the heritage and history is being lost, there are very few up and coming mxer's or fans (unless their die hard) that know of our great champions. I have asked several people on a spare of the moment who is Stephen Gall? as sad as it is, they could not tell me! They called themselves real fans! i shook my head in disgust!
They could tell me who Gary Abblett, Arthur Beetson & Greg Chappell are!
It's sad!
I would consider myself a tragic! I'm familiar with the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's! Because of my old man, i have lived, breathed, bathed in petrol and Castrol R all my life!
I'll keep coming back, even though i spit it from time to time. I have an interest, and its MX! My dream, is to see everyone accept everyone for every era, and accept we're all in this together for the greater good of the sport.
I love pre 75,70,65,60 etc! But, i'll be buggered if i want to ride them ;D ;D I think dad shares the same opinion, as he only likes to look at them for a limited time these days:)
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no comment, :)
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When did it click Mark? LOL
I've known for quite a while but forgot all about it until Dave's post. It'd be a pretty hard secret to keep in this community ;). I wasn't being a smart arse either, I just thought it odd that neither of you have acknowledged the relationship on here, not that it's anyone's business of course. I reckon it's a great thing that you're both into old bikes....whatever era.
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What good would it do for either of them?
What good does it do for you to point it out?
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What good would it do for either of them?
What good does it do for you to point it out?
No idea, I just liked the way Dave stuck up for Nathan. DO NOT read motive into my posts that isn't there. You do that way too often.
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I knew of the relation ship and had a little chuckle to myself , when Dave posted
ironically Walter, a good percentage of the members here knew it. I wasn't aware it was a secret, never to be mentioned outside of the batcave.
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What good would it do for either of them?
What good does it do for you to point it out?
No idea, I just liked the way Dave stuck up for Nathan. DO NOT read motive into my posts that isn't there. You do that way too often.
No, I call you out on your snide "plausible deniability" bullshit about 5% of the time I see it.
I've never had a problem with Dave (even when he did the "I've always wanted one of these" routine on me), but I do understand why Nathan's life would be easier without the association being made.
Virtually everyone has been aware of it for a while - but it took you in this thread to point it out.
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Nathan, I've discussed this with those involved offline and it seems you're the only on getting uptight about it. Get over it.
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When did it click Mark? LOL
Ted, I have kept my 84 KTM to ride with you lads, I'll be renewing my "Heaven" membership in 2014 ;)
I dream is to see everyone catered for. I love MX/SX/VMX and I want to see the sport survive into the next generation and beyond, and my view is progression. You all know that.
We're not going to agree on all subjects, but, that's not a bad problem to have! a healthy debate (although heated at times) is a good thing.
Where our sport has suffered (this is not our fault) is that the heritage and history is being lost, there are very few up and coming mxer's or fans (unless their die hard) that know of our great champions. I have asked several people on a spare of the moment who is Stephen Gall? as sad as it is, they could not tell me! They called themselves real fans! i shook my head in disgust!
They could tell me who Gary Abblett, Arthur Beetson & Greg Chappell are!
It's sad!
I would consider myself a tragic! I'm familiar with the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's! Because of my old man, i have lived, breathed, bathed in petrol and Castrol R all my life!
I'll keep coming back, even though i spit it from time to time. I have an interest, and its MX! My dream, is to see everyone accept everyone for every era, and accept we're all in this together for the greater good of the sport.
I love pre 75,70,65,60 etc! But, i'll be buggered if i want to ride them ;D ;D I think dad shares the same opinion, as he only likes to look at them for a limited time these days:)
Arthur Beetson and Greg Chappell are Queenslanders but who is Gary Abblett???? (Yes I know Greg was from another state but he is better know as a Queenslander and so is Alan Border).
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Nathan, I've discussed this with those involved offline and it seems you're the only on getting uptight about it. Get over it.
Mark, I'm well and truly over it, don't worry about that...
Stop the snide politician-speak bullshit, and we can all be happy.
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Stop the snide politician-speak bullshit, and we can all be happy
Que? :-\
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I'm talking about the way this:
What a dad ;D
...is turned into this:
No idea, I just liked the way Dave stuck up for Nathan. DO NOT read motive into my posts that isn't there. You do that way too often.
Your original "what a dad" post was clearly intended to publically expose the relationship between the two Alsops in an attempt to undermine Dave's support for his son (and consequently his son's idea) but when questioned, you weaselled it into being a message of congratulations...
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I love that word weaselled, I wish I'd have thought to use it ;D. Nathan as I previously said......" DO NOT read motive into my posts that isn't there". You do that way too often." You have once again read evil into my innocent intent. I had no intention to out the Allsop relationship as I didn't know it was a secret, I wrongly assumed that it was common knowledge. I know you think otherwise but the "What a Dad" post was actually meant as a light hearted compliment to Dave but to be honest, this has nothing to do with you....if there is a problem from either Nathan or Dave, let them handle it. You're just using as another opportunity to have a shot at me so if you do have something to get off your chest, take it into the PM department and stop flucking up Nada's pre 95 post with your manufactured indignation about a situation that that has absolutely nothing to do with you.
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Of course... Stop with the snide weasel comments, and I'll stop pulling you up for them.
And then we can all be happy and nobody else will have to read this crap. :)
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Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think enough is the right sentiment. Let's drop it there or I'll delete every one of those posts, cos this thread is going to poo and we don't need that.
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Now for starters, this is how you spell my name: Alsop, as for Nathan and I we have a very good son and father relationship. plus there was no secret conspiracy with us on this forum about hiding the fact that Nathan was my son. Nathan can please himself, just like everybody else on this forum and the outside world. Nathan has always liked the new model bikes, it is his choice.
Lets all get along and be happy, and put your energy towards helping the cause, which this thread is all about pre 95 class racing.
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Dave I couldn't help myself ;D are you selling your name or spelling your name ;D quote " Now for starters, this is how you sell my name Alsop "
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Hasn't anyone got the message yet. Get back to the subject of the thread!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe there is a facebook page (for Pre 95) can someone post the address here.
Also the facebook page for the Post Classic Nats "https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5" (http://"https://www.facebook.com/events/1382144772030061/?ref=5") has slowed down can someone post some photos etc.
Kevin
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Dave I couldn't help myself ;D are you selling your name or spelling your name ;D quote " Now for starters, this is how you sell my name Alsop "
Thanks for pointing that spelling mistake out old fart, just a typing error.
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I have learnt this week the site I had in mind for the off road park has hit a major hurdle
There was a consortium that were going to remediate the site with 5000 houses, 14,000 people, a marina, parklands and three beaches, with one of them ( claimed ) bigger than Bondi Beach. This supposed consortium have got cold feet and FUKD off. Can't blame them. It's a fukn quarry in Penrith FFS. How the dumbass council would even entertain and green light such a proposal is beyond me.
Anyway that can only help our proposal.
While the Penrith area does have some extremely wealthy residents ( highest single house / land sale ever : ( read 50 million)in Australia in 2012 ) it is basically a workers town. I am doing the rounds of the local bike shops ( every offroad brand is sold new in Penrith ) to ascertain volume of sales.
Nathan, I don't know how to set up a poll on here to garner interest. It would need to be only for Sydney environs people to register their interest. It would be of no use for a Vic, WA etc to register interest because they will not use it, no offence intended. I have to get fairly accurate numbers together to work out the viability of it all.
Even if they can the pseudo second Bondi Beach site ...haha, they may alot another.
If you or anyone else can set this poll up:
Topic : Offroad Park Penrith NSW.... Interested?
Text: I am trying to establish if there is enough interest from the dirt bike community to approach Penrith council/ NSW Government to build a Offroad park along the lines of Louee or Queensland Moto park. It will be the only riding park in the Sydney Metropolitan Area ( sans Pacific Park......litigation prevents me forming an opinion on that place )
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Nathan, I don't know how to set up a poll on here to garner interest. It would need to be only for Sydney environs people to register their interest. It would be of no use for a Vic, WA etc to register interest because they will not use it, no offence intended. I have to get fairly accurate numbers together to work out the viability of it all.
Even if they can the pseudo second Bondi Beach site ...haha, they may alot another.
If you or anyone else can set this poll up:
Topic : Offroad Park Penrith NSW.... Interested?
I'll set up an online petition no dramas:)
Here it is, http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/offroad-park-penrith-nsw.html
Can everyone please sign the petition, it doen't matter where your from, we just need names and support:):) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks guys
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Done 8)
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Done and done to easy ;)
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its hard to find good old mx bikes and cost big money to sum people after pre 90 are cheaper if you guys stop hording them may let people buy them
Mate im assuming that you are talking about the older eras ??? That argument comes up every few months , the reality is there are way more older bikes on the market than there are buyers .
After 1990 they are cheaper of course as with few exceptions nobody wants them . Once these blokes get their new movement up and running then there will be a market for those model bikes and their prices to will increase .
Is this telling you something??
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Done :)
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Done. Thanks Ted & Nathan.
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I got this message, the only problem being that I hadn't previously signed the petition and nobody else has used my computer. Is there something I don't get?
The following errors occurred
•Your name and IP address have already been recorded. GoPetition does not allow duplicate signatures from the same computer. Please review the signature list as you may have already signed the petition.
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Maybe you are using a cheap wireless mouse? If you click buttons with one of those they can sometimes actually do two clicks very quickly...
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its hard to find good old mx bikes and cost big money to sum people after pre 90 are cheaper if you guys stop hording them may let people buy them
Mate im assuming that you are talking about the older eras ??? That argument comes up every few months , the reality is there are way more older bikes on the market than there are buyers .
After 1990 they are cheaper of course as with few exceptions nobody wants them . Once these blokes get their new movement up and running then there will be a market for those model bikes and their prices to will increase .
Is this telling you something??
No you will have to spell it out for me
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Maybe you are using a cheap wireless mouse? If you click buttons with one of those they can sometimes actually do two clicks very quickly...
No Graeme, I'm using a reasonably decent Logitech mouse connected by cable. I must have done something wrong so I'll try again using my I Pad or phone.
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I dont come on this forum very often , mainly because of above, I find it very interesting HEAVEN was founded on the 20 ys & older rule, funny I heard the same thing 10 yrs ago with pre85 then again pre90 ??????? dont get me wrong I have bikes from pre 65, pre70 , EVO & pre 90, & race EVO & pre90, & will have a pre70 persang ready in the next few yrs, so Im not anti "OLDER BIKES", nearly everyone that races VMX do so on a bike that means something to them, either it was what their dad raced, the bike their hero raced when they were a kid , their favorite bike they raced or the bike they wanted but couldnt afford in the day, which is is the reason I race the bikes ive got + I have an EFI CRF450 as well, when I spoke to nathan he asked me what I thought about PRE95 & my answer was "it will happen as it is a natural progression in the older bike racing cycle", so please remember why you are racing your bike as there is younger people out there that thing the same as you about pre95 , cheers middo
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Nathan, I don't know how to set up a poll on here to garner interest. It would need to be only for Sydney environs people to register their interest. It would be of no use for a Vic, WA etc to register interest because they will not use it, no offence intended. I have to get fairly accurate numbers together to work out the viability of it all.
Even if they can the pseudo second Bondi Beach site ...haha, they may alot another.
If you or anyone else can set this poll up:
Topic : Offroad Park Penrith NSW.... Interested?
I'll set up an online petition no dramas:)
Here it is, http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/offroad-park-penrith-nsw.html
Can everyone please sign the petition, it doen't matter where your from, we just need names and support:):) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks guys
Good luck
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Maybe you are using a cheap wireless mouse? If you click buttons with one of those they can sometimes actually do two clicks very quickly...
No Graeme, I'm using a reasonably decent Logitech mouse connected by cable. I must have done something wrong so I'll try again using my I Pad or phone.
Your names already on the petition Mark, your not suffering dementia yourself are you ;D
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I just spotted it myself Geoff :-[.....I'm starting to worry now. I only came onto the forum at 9.30 and that's when I spotted the petition thread. All I did was fill it in and press the button once...at least that's what I thought I did. Maybe I did catch a dose of dementia at the hospital this evening ;D. I thought the dog was giving me some extra attention ;D.
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Good luck with the ride park idea .
Signed the petition .
Have you spread the word about this proposal with other bike sites ?.
Regards,
Steve
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Hi Guys
Thanks so much ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I dont come on this forum very often , mainly because of above, I find it very interesting HEAVEN was founded on the 20 ys & older rule, funny I heard the same thing 10 yrs ago with pre85 then again pre90 ??????? dont get me wrong I have bikes from pre 65, pre70 , EVO & pre 90, & race EVO & pre90, & will have a pre70 persang ready in the next few yrs, so Im not anti "OLDER BIKES", nearly everyone that races VMX do so on a bike that means something to them, either it was what their dad raced, the bike their hero raced when they were a kid , their favorite bike they raced or the bike they wanted but couldnt afford in the day, which is is the reason I race the bikes ive got + I have an EFI CRF450 as well, when I spoke to nathan he asked me what I thought about PRE95 & my answer was "it will happen as it is a natural progression in the older bike racing cycle", so please remember why you are racing your bike as there is younger people out there that thing the same as you about pre95 , cheers middo
Well said Middo,
That isn't the first time I've heard that about "HEAVEN" that it was founded on a 20 year & older rule, which I quite like in some resects. I got into VMX 3 or 4 seasons ago when I found out there was talk of "PRE-90" As these were what I rode & grew up with. I will be 43 next year & race EVO, PRE-85 & PRE-90. The reason I race all these classes is the fact I rode a lot these bikes back in the "so called day". For eg: I started riding a 1980 YZ80G & the last bike I owned back then was a 1989 KX500E1. I don't really have a desire to ride "PRE-95" bikes, as I didn't have anything to do with them. After selling my 89 KX500 I stopped riding for 20 years. Since getting into VMX I am finding an interest in older bikes that I wasn't brought up with. As for "PRE-95" good luck to them! I haven't got a problem with people wanting to play with their old toys! Lets ALL just keep in mind why we are doing it! ;)
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done all signed #29 lets spread this australia wide as we as dirt bike riders have been pushed aside to far to long with adequate facilites and structured areas and programs for people to enjoy our sport ,
comment to council reads"
should be a given seeing the amount of dirt bike riding going on right throughout australia it has become one of the most popular pastimes again and as a former police officer it gives a place of structure to young people to learn skills and develop , it also tackles a growing problem of riding on the streets and parklands outside the law's as a rider of 57 yrs young i certainly would support it and ride there when visting sydney , thankyou
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Signed #36
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sounds like fun i will dust off the wr500 (" wernt they just a lazy490") start sprucing it up , anyone know how to stop this thing igniting and lurching through corners
Bigger pilot jet.
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"I just spotted it myself Geoff :-[.....I'm starting to worry now. I only came onto the forum at 9.30 and that's when I spotted the petition thread. All I did was fill it in and press the button once...at least that's what I thought I did. Maybe I did catch a dose of dementia at the hospital this evening ;D. I thought the dog was giving me some extra attention ;D."
Still your on the list Mark and that's good. ;) ;) Now about losing ya marbles.............. :o
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Signed #77
All the best mate.. From Victoria!
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Hey Nathan
Any word on the 1st social ride day?
Venues maybe
Louee or mt Kembla?
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l have signed
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I dont come on this forum very often , mainly because of above, I find it very interesting HEAVEN was founded on the 20 ys & older rule, funny I heard the same thing 10 yrs ago with pre85 then again pre90 ??????? dont get me wrong I have bikes from pre 65, pre70 , EVO & pre 90, & race EVO & pre90, & will have a pre70 persang ready in the next few yrs, so Im not anti "OLDER BIKES", nearly everyone that races VMX do so on a bike that means something to them, either it was what their dad raced, the bike their hero raced when they were a kid , their favorite bike they raced or the bike they wanted but couldnt afford in the day, which is is the reason I race the bikes ive got + I have an EFI CRF450 as well, when I spoke to nathan he asked me what I thought about PRE95 & my answer was "it will happen as it is a natural progression in the older bike racing cycle", so please remember why you are racing your bike as there is younger people out there that thing the same as you about pre95 , cheers middo
Well said Middo,
That isn't the first time I've heard that about "HEAVEN" that it was founded on a 20 year & older rule, which I quite like in some resects. I got into VMX 3 or 4 seasons ago when I found out there was talk of "PRE-90" As these were what I rode & grew up with. I will be 43 next year & race EVO, PRE-85 & PRE-90. The reason I race all these classes is the fact I rode a lot these bikes back in the "so called day". For eg: I started riding a 1980 YZ80G & the last bike I owned back then was a 1989 KX500E1. I don't really have a desire to ride "PRE-95" bikes, as I didn't have anything to do with them. After selling my 89 KX500 I stopped riding for 20 years. Since getting into VMX I am finding an interest in older bikes that I wasn't brought up with. As for "PRE-95" good luck to them! I haven't got a problem with people wanting to play with their old toys! Lets ALL just keep in mind why we are doing it! ;)
One thing that I point out every time this subject comes up, is the fact that the first vintage meeting was started when a pre 75 bike was 15 or 16 years old.
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I don't think the age of the bike is the deciding factor in vmx anymore. In 1990 when vmx was up and running a 74 250 elsinore was only 16 years old but it LOOKED and rode like a vintage bike compared to a 1990 CR250.
Now a 94 CR250 might be 19 years old but it looks and performs like a modern bike and can hardly be called vintage. Sure there is a place for pre 95 and pre 2000 mx bikes but I don't think it's at your local vmx meet. I think they need their own Retro series or to be run as a support class at a modern club day..
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I don't think the age of the bike is the deciding factor in vmx anymore. In 1990 when vmx was up and running a 74 250 elsinore was only 16 years old but it LOOKED and rode like a vintage bike compared to a 1990 CR250.
Now a 94 CR250 might be 19 years old but it looks and performs like a modern bike and can hardly be called vintage. Sure there is a place for pre 95 and pre 2000 mx bikes but I don't think it's at your local vmx meet. I think they need their own Retro series or to be run as a support class at a modern club day..
That's the point I've been trying to make all along, but keep getting shot down by the usual subject as some sort of baby boomer Adolf Hitler of VMX. The differential in technology has closed up to the point that there is visually very little difference between a 1995/2000 bike and modern, the suspension is virtually the same and with the exception of the two stroke/four stroke thing, engine development, especially in the two stroke has hardly moved. Cut back to 1988 and the 16 year gap in technology is as wide as the Grand Canyon. It had jumped from primitive 7"x 4" travel that had hardly changed in the preceeding 20 years to the sophisticated linkage suspension and large diameter cartridge forks with up to 12 " travel, single leading shoe drum brakes had been replaced by twin spot disc brakes and air cooling had all but disappeared for liquid cooled engines.
I too think there is a place for the bikes of pre 95 or pre 2000 even but please don't call them vintage bikes. Their natural place in the scheme of things is as an extra class on a modern program or even better, as John says, with their own series.
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I've held-back on entering this discussion, I think as riders of certain bikes (Pre 95) appear so will classes for them. I do tend to agree that LTR bikes will chop a track up quicker than a bone-jarrer, so maybe not combine the classes at riding events but I really want to see them together at display events.
I definately feel there is a place for Pre 90 & Pre 00, anything that is not current and has an enthusiast following should & will have a place.
Here in Vic it's crazy having three bodies for older motocross bikes, suely CSC should combine with VCM and cater for up to Pre 78 or maybe Evo, and Viper should cater for Pre 80 (Evo),Pre 85, Pre 90, Post 90 2-stroke, Pre 2000.
I think Viper pretty-well cater for those classes save Pre 2000 (they do have a modern class), Once a few Pre 95 & 2000 riders appear I am sure Viper will include them.
Hell I enjoy a '98 RM250 just as much as '69 DT250MX.
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at what point does this forum stop becoming OZVMX? By all means if the later guys want something great - as mentioned go Retro or something - but I thought here was for old clunkers?
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at what point does this forum stop becoming OZVMX? By all means if the later guys want something great - as mentioned go Retro or something - but I thought here was for old clunkers?
Why try and keep this such a cliquey group? They are all old bikes, it's just perspective. Maybe overlook the fact they aren't true vintage as we see our old bikes. Why not include and encourage? You never know, they might buy an older bike to compete in another class. Surely there is enough room in here for everyone.I don't think the age of the bike is the deciding factor in vmx anymore. In 1990 when vmx was up and running a 74 250 elsinore was only 16 years old but it LOOKED and rode like a vintage bike compared to a 1990 CR250.
Now a 94 CR250 might be 19 years old but it looks and performs like a modern bike and can hardly be called vintage. Sure there is a place for pre 95 and pre 2000 mx bikes but I don't think it's at your local vmx meet. I think they need their own Retro series or to be run as a support class at a modern club day..
You can say that about your 89 cr250. Just because of time restraints you couldn't add another class to what we already have. Another club would have to emerge, such as a long travel club. Say evo and later so as to be viable.
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so I say again brad - at what point does this not become OZVMX - as I believe was the orginal intent. Didn't complain about it - asked a question - should there be seperate threads on here that us old buggas can stay away from or should somebody start a new site - is this becoming the next www.MXTRAX.co.uk????
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It has it's own thread I'd think.. Probably not clicking on the thread title with pre 95 would be a good start mate
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at what point does this forum stop becoming OZVMX? By all means if the later guys want something great - as mentioned go Retro or something - but I thought here was for old clunkers?
Why try and keep this such a cliquey group? They are all old bikes, it's just perspective. Maybe overlook the fact they aren't true vintage as we see our old bikes. Why not include and encourage? You never know, they might buy an older bike to compete in another class. Surely there is enough room in here for everyone.
Like Brad said about guys now buying older bikes to compete on the older old bikes... That's exactly what's happening. I have young guys asking me continuously about what old bikes the goods and is there any for sale.
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I don't think the age of the bike is the deciding factor in vmx anymore. In 1990 when vmx was up and running a 74 250 elsinore was only 16 years old but it LOOKED and rode like a vintage bike compared to a 1990 CR250.
Now a 94 CR250 might be 19 years old but it looks and performs like a modern bike and can hardly be called vintage. Sure there is a place for pre 95 and pre 2000 mx bikes but I don't think it's at your local vmx meet. I think they need their own Retro series or to be run as a support class at a modern club day..
Spot on John very well said .
For some reason the pre 95 mob feel the need to aligihn themselves with the vintage movement and i cant understand why . Set up your own movement from scratch ( like VMX did ) and you have all the room for expansion into later eras without gate crashing and already established party where the majority of poepole involved dont want your later bikes , you are welcome but bring a bike that fits the already established movement .
Ross has already mentioned MXTRAX the Poms website and forum, they have a vintage forum and a 90s forum cos even the Poms with their liberal and fuct up twinshock rules recognise that 90s bikes have SFA to do with Vintage MX .
If there is the huge demand ( as you guys keep saying )then the things gonna fly and before you know it you will have your own series and nats and maybe even your own website ;)
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so I say again brad - at what point does this not become OZVMX - as I believe was the orginal intent. Didn't complain about it - asked a question - should there be seperate threads on here that us old buggas can stay away from or should somebody start a new site - is this becoming the next www.MXTRAX.co.uk????
To stay away from it maybe ask Graeme to add another topic maybe.
Crusty.Old.Buggers! ;D
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Mr MX - I think you will see it also says VMX - pre 95 or not.
Thats it Brad - maybe we change the title of this one to COB - then the VMX title will gradually morph into the newer bikes when they become vintage - sort of like an elephants graveyard ;D
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I must admit that when I heard about the UK super-evo class (pre 95) it met with my disdain (Joan and Ross I will translate this word for you-"the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect..")
But you know what??
I have to face facts that VMX is no different to every other classic motorsport.
Therefore, as the years progress- Pre 95 bikes will become as ancient as those Pre 70, Pre 75 and dare I say it -Pre 85 machines that we all love at the moment, and which we will sadly one day be too old to ride (or we will be dead).
Its all about age men.
Good luck to those trying to get it up and running in NSW.
PS I just love the 1991 Suzuki graphics -pure porn:
(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu317/suzuki43/9341691444_b211b4d0da_b_zps11c0bc8a.jpg)
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I've held-back on entering this discussion, I think as riders of certain bikes (Pre 95) appear so will classes for them. I do tend to agree that LTR bikes will chop a track up quicker than a bone-jarrer, so maybe not combine the classes at riding events but I really want to see them together at display events.
I definately feel there is a place for Pre 90 & Pre 00, anything that is not current and has an enthusiast following should & will have a place.
Here in Vic it's crazy having three bodies for older motocross bikes, suely CSC should combine with VCM and cater for up to Pre 78 or maybe Evo, and Viper should cater for Pre 80 (Evo),Pre 85, Pre 90, Post 90 2-stroke, Pre 2000.
I think Viper pretty-well cater for those classes save Pre 2000 (they do have a modern class), Once a few Pre 95 & 2000 riders appear I am sure Viper will include them.
Hell I enjoy a '98 RM250 just as much as '69 DT250MX.
John, like you, I have tried to stay out of this discussion but have been reading it all with interest. While you do make a valid point about there being three different bodies in Victoria all based on "vintage" mx, all three clubs are run entirely different.
CSC will never entertain the idea of Evo bikes being brought into there fold. I fought for a few years to allow Pre78 bikes when there was an interclub meeting between CSC and VCM, purely on the grounds that a lot of the VCM members had a Pre75 bike and a Pre78....The thinking was that nobody would travel for 3 or 4 hours to ride 1 bike in 4 15 minute races so including Pre78 might entice a few more bikes on the start line. It was rejected every time I mentioned it. Now they run Pre78, but I'm pretty sure that's only because of the Pre78 split at national level.
VCM has their own way of doing things. For a start, they are not a club as such, but a register that rides under other clubs banners. They run everything from fast 50's to Evo, and everything in between. And it all works very well. The CSC would never entertain such a broad spectrum of bikes at the club. I also believe that the seperation of the 2 clubs started because of 1 party of riders wanting to allow later bikes in the club while the "old boys club" didn't.
Lastly, Viper. What they have also works very well. But most of the tracks they race on are more LTR type tracks. Nothing wrong with that, it's the LTR era they cater for. I believe they HAVE a Pre00 2 stroke class so there is no reason why those with an interest in racing Pre00 machines in Victoria can not get a race. You can ride everything from Pre78 to moderns at Viper. Shite, I've even run my '74 elsinore at one Viper meeting but it was too hard on the bike. Again, there's no reason why you can't run Pre75 (or earlier) at Viper meetings.....you just might want to stick to the grass track events......
I don't have anything against anybody wanting to race bikes after the Pre90 era. Far from it. I enjoy a good fang on my Husaberg, even if it is over 10 years old now. I also enjoy racing much older bikes. I don't see how the 2 can mix together. Even the Pre85 bikes dig big enough ruts and braking/acceleration bumps to near swallow a 7 and 4 inch travel bike. It's not fair to ask the Pre78 brigade to allow later model bikes into the mix. Old bikes get broken....Bodies get battered.
I've said it before, but I will suggest it again.... Anybody who wants to get the Pre00 thing happening, take a look at what Viper in Victoria does. It's easy enough to take a look. They have a website.....just type Viper into your favourite search engine and all will be revealed 8)
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I’m always somewhat bemused that it’s okay to talk on here about…
Football
Cricket
Cars
Road bikes
Road racing
Road racing riders
Supercross
Modern MX
Politics
But Motocross from the era of 1990 – 2000 is strictly taboo :o
I don't recall reading anywhere where it was suggested that pre 95 should be run with pre 75
I believe that 'VMX' is now a generic term that means 'old motocross bike'.
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That is it in a nut shell Geoff. Also arguing what Vmx means. It means different things to different people as the thread about it many moons ago. Some say true Vmx is pre 60. Others are pre 75. It goes all the way up depending on your point of view and generally how old you are with a ratio of what later models you will tolerate as they were after your era in the mix.
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GMC wins post of the thread. Again.
A 1992 model is as different to a 2005 model as a 1960 model is to a 1974 model - both visually and in performance. Even a superficial look will show this.
And a 2005 model is nearly a decade old already...
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GMC wins post of the thread. Again.
A 1992 model is as different to a 2005 model as a 1960 model is to a 1974 model - both visually and in performance. Even a superficial look will show this.
And a 2005 model is nearly a decade old already...
Exactly! Well said guys. A 2005 model is a far cry from a 2014 model also.. To say a pre95-2000 model is close to a modern bike, as firko mentioned, i think they are miles apart with development and technology, some models more than other obviously.
I personally enjoy the old bikes more than my 2012 model I just moved on. They just have character and rawness. The moderns are so good these days compared to my 2000 era models.
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Agreeing with the above posts. Unless Graeme changes the name of the forum to 'Pre 85 Vintage Motocross Forum. you're going to keep hearing about my 88 KX ;-)
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Agreeing with the above posts. Unless Graeme changes the name of the forum to 'Pre 85 Vintage Motocross Forum. you're going to keep hearing about my 88 KX ;-)
88 is vintage John , pre 90 is an accepted vintage class so i cant see anyone moaning about your 88 KX :)
I had an 88 KX250 in 1988 worst bloody bike i ever owned ::) parked it up and bought an 88 RM 250J witch was one of the best bikes i ever owned :)
As others have said vintage is different things to different people , i personally am not interested in racing anything post 1978 and for me vintage definetly stops at pre 90 .
Good luck to those who want something later and it would be nice if they could start their own movement ( retro racing ) rather than keep trying to gatecrash whats already established .
I suppose it follows its a generational thing , the older generations grew up having to be motivated and get on and do things for themselves ie start a thing called vintage MX . Where as the younger generation are used to having everything laid on for them and not having to think for themselves :)
All part of the its not my fault , disposable modern world ;)
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Agreeing with the above posts. Unless Graeme changes the name of the forum to 'Pre 85 Vintage Motocross Forum. you're going to keep hearing about my 88 KX ;-)
88 is vintage John , pre 90 is an accepted vintage class so i cant see anyone moaning about your 88 KX :)
I had an 88 KX250 in 1988 worst bloody bike i ever owned ::) parked it up and bought an 88 RM 250J witch was one of the best bikes i ever owned :)
As others have said vintage is different things to different people , i personally am not interested in racing anything post 1978 and for me vintage definetly stops at pre 90 .
Good luck to those who want something later and it would be nice if they could start their own movement ( retro racing ) rather than keep trying to gatecrash whats already established .
I suppose it follows its a generational thing , the older generations grew up having to be motivated and get on and do things for themselves ie start a thing called vintage MX . Where as the younger generation are used to having everything laid on for them and not having to think for themselves :)
All part of the its not my fault , disposable modern world ;)
This is - if I'm generous - a semantic argument that misuses the word "vintage".
There is a broad group of people and clubs who actively ride and race old/obsolete/classic/post-classic/vintage dirt bikes (choose whichever word you like the most - it makes no difference). The umbrella of old/obsolete/classic/post-classic/vintage has grown over time.
There was a time when Pre-78 was "no way not ever Vintage"...
Playing games with words makes no difference to the validity of ANY era to the old/obsolete/classic/post-classic/vintage umbrella.
John Orchard said it well - if you want it to be set in a specific era, then specify the era and don't call it "Vintage".
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Maybe im thick :-\ but why cant whats already established be left as vintage ( upto pre 90 )
I wont argue Nath that all the later eras have had their knockers along the way me included .
I was very anti pre 90 but i was convinced of its place within VMX by yours and others opinions and by stepping back and looking at the technological changes in that 85 to 89 period .
When i try to do the same thing with 1990 on bikes theres nothing , zilch , nada , FA . Of course the forking things improved slightly each year since 1989 but the changes are very gradual.
OF COURSE THIS IS ONLY MY PERSONAL OPINION
The other thing is the rate of acceleration that people want to keep adding classes ::) every forking time you turn on the forum its some other genius wanting to take it to a new era , allegedly because that was their era ( not because the bikes are available for $1.80 for 2 ;))
A play on names is not what shits me , call your pre 2014 class vintage , call it forking Susan for all i care ::) but have the decency and the balls to start it from scratch and stop trying to Cukcoo in on established organisations and events .
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This is - if I'm generous - a semantic argument that misuses the word "vintage".
There is a broad group of people and clubs who actively ride and race old/obsolete/classic/post-classic/vintage dirt bikes (choose whichever word you like the most - it makes no difference). The umbrella of old/obsolete/classic/post-classic/vintage has grown over time.
There was a time when Pre-78 was "no way not ever Vintage"...
Playing games with words makes no difference to the validity of ANY era to the old/obsolete/classic/post-classic/vintage umbrella.
John Orchard said it well - if you want it to be set in a specific era, then specify the era and don't call it "Vintage".
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I think you're missing the point Nathan.
To think that a bike/car/plane/boat/dishwasher is vintage because it is 10 years old is ridiculous. Try telling any car enthusiast that your (hypothetical) VY SS commodore is "vintage"... see how far your argument goes there!
Not many are suggesting that these type of posts about later model "old" bikes can't be discussed on this forum. When they are suggesting so, maybe they need to think about the FUTURE of VMX.
One day, Pre00 models WILL be vintage and none of the younger generation(s) will want anything to do with any bike that has less than 12 inches of suspension travel. There are already people like that actually. Look at the Pre90 racers. Not many of those guys want to race with 7 and 4. But, and here's the big BUT, they fought for the right to be included in the VMX movement (not the forum) by demonstrating that they did indeed have a viable amount of racers for the class. They did it by getting included into clubs.
It's a matter of progression. The post classic and "call it what you like" movement needs to demonstrate that it can stand on it's own 2 feet the way it is before introducing any newer models into the mix. Here in Victoria, VIPER is DOING exactly that. They include Pre00 2 smokers and moderns into their race program. As a club, they do extremely well and I suggest it would pay for other parties interested in racing the later "old" bikes to take a leaf or two from their book.
As for GMC having the post of the thread, can he tell us what era bikes are eligible for the Vinduro's .... Oh, and lets also find out up to what year model is a bike eligible for "historic" club rego....
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You're still playing the semantics game. Try telling that VY owner that his car is "just like a new one", and they will probably correct you damn quickly... How many VYs are getting around in the V8 Supercars? None, because they're obsolete.
The VMX world exists as an embrace for obsolete dirt bikes. Anybody who argues that a 1994 model is not obsolete against moderns is kidding themself.
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Maybe im thick :-\ but why cant whats already established be left as vintage ( upto pre 90 )
I wont argue Nath that all the later eras have had their knockers along the way me included .
I was very anti pre 90 but i was convinced of its place within VMX by yours and others opinions and by stepping back and looking at the technological changes in that 85 to 89 period .
When i try to do the same thing with 1990 on bikes theres nothing , zilch , nada , FA . Of course the forking things improved slightly each year since 1989 but the changes are very gradual.
OF COURSE THIS IS ONLY MY PERSONAL OPINION
The other thing is the rate of acceleration that people want to keep adding classes ::) every forking time you turn on the forum its some other genius wanting to take it to a new era , allegedly because that was their era ( not because the bikes are available for $1.80 for 2 ;))
A play on names is not what shits me , call your pre 2014 class vintage , call it forking Susan for all i care ::) but have the decency and the balls to start it from scratch and stop trying to Cukcoo in on established organisations and events .
90~94.
USD forks that weren't complete rubbish.
Two-way adjustable forks.
19" rear wheels.
The universal to universal 54x54 125s.
Power valves that worked properly in all brands.
Lowboy pipes.
Big footpegs.
Flatter ergos.
250s becoming clearly superior to 500s.
95~99.
Twin chamber forks.
USD forks that finally work better than the 1988 RWUs.
Much better ergos.
Alloy frames (that don't work).
Mainstream competitive 4T.
Long stroke 250s.
TPS carbs.
Powerjet carbs.
Return of RWU forks.
Big brakes.
Three-way adjustable shocks.
The same list for 1960 to the end of the Evo era:
Competitve 2Ts.
Up pipes on 2Ts.
The rise of the 125 class.
Reed valves.
Long travel suspension.
TLS front brakes (and they were hardly universal).
The idea that technogy stopped in 1990 is a joke.
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Talk is cheap. Get off your arses. Throw some coin into a hat. Book a track and see how many show up. There will be your answer.
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As for GMC having the post of the thread, can he tell us what era bikes are eligible for the Vinduro's .... Oh, and lets also find out up to what year model is a bike eligible for "historic" club rego....
All clubs are free to run a Vinduro any way they see fit.
The VERi club choose to run their events to this…
http://www.verivinduro.com.au/32/veri-motorcycle-eligibility/
Classic Rego differs from state to state so visit your State Government registration branch for their guidelines
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Maybe they're all out riding!!
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http://www.retrodirtbike.com (http://www.retrodirtbike.com) ? ???
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Talk is cheap. Get off your arses. Throw some coin into a hat. Book a track and see how many show up. There will be your answer.
That was the point I was trying to make. Well said
;DAs for GMC having the post of the thread, can he tell us what era bikes are eligible for the Vinduro's .... Oh, and lets also find out up to what year model is a bike eligible for "historic" club rego....
All clubs are free to run a Vinduro any way they see fit.
The VERi club choose to run their events to this…
http://www.verivinduro.com.au/32/veri-motorcycle-eligibility/
Classic Rego differs from state to state so visit your State Government registration branch for their guidelines
That's very political of you Geoff.....
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http://www.retrodirtbike.com (http://www.retrodirtbike.com) ? ???
RDB died in the arse because the registration process is too difficult - and automated registrations results in literally thousands of spammer registrations.
It would seem clear that its time has come - just be good to work out a way to let it grow.
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Nothing will grow without a bit of effort. The only thing that evolves naturally is nature....everything else requires effort from someone 8)
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RDB's paralysis wasn't due to a lack of effort, it was due to a technical issue in dealing with scammers.
I guess you could argue that I ought to have taught myself how to write and implement code to filter out the scammers, but it didn't seem like the most productive way to spend my time...
Anyone who is keen to be involved with RetroDirtBike should Click Here![/i] (http://retrodirtbike.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=9di2ifpkvuou42677h7iqd2tg0&topic=88.0)
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I tried, message said "Registration is currently disabled"
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You did what everyone did, that paralysed it... (Used your intuition/logic).
What you need to do is Click Here. (http://retrodirtbike.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=9di2ifpkvuou42677h7iqd2tg0&topic=88.0).
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Aaaahhhhh, done :-)
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C'mon John were waiting for you in here http://retrodirtbike.com/index.php?board=3.0 ;D ;D
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Talk is cheap. Get off your arses. Throw some coin into a hat. Book a track and see how many show up. There will be your answer.
Wooo hooo, Its happening Ted old mate, i am working feverishly behind the scenes to get this happening! hence why i have been missing online for a few days!! All will be announced soon:)
How did you go with the council?
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Talk is cheap. Get off your arses. Throw some coin into a hat. Book a track and see how many show up. There will be your answer.
Wooo hooo, Its happening Ted old mate, i am working feverishly behind the scenes to get this happening! hence why i have been missing online for a few days!! All will be announced soon:)
How did you go with the council?
Problem being about gauging interest by how many turn up... Is that most people excited about the concept of above pre90 won't have suitable machines to be able to turn up and ride. Once we all know the concept is serious and enough interest is out there, I think there will be enough numbers to enjoy social ride days together
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It's the hardest part, but, the squeaky wheel gets oiled! I have nominated 2nd & 3rd of March 2014 for a social ride day @ Louee MX and Enduro complex! If anyone is interested, please contact me:)
Nathan
[email protected]
or
Via the Forum
or
0438 308 253
Cheers:)
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Good work Nathan, keep it up.
It's a real shame people have to go all the way to Bumf..k Louee just to have a ride. The sooner Metrop Sydney has a facility the better.
I and one other are putting a preliminary plan together at the moment ( very early, rough draft ) as to which angle to attack it. As I am heading OS in a couple of weeks we will not be having any talks with Council till early February.
This proposal has merit, will be very well patronized and is long overdue.
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Cheers mate
would be great to see Penrith go ahead!
Like i mentioned, i am more than happy to help in any way to get it off the ground and running:)
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Talk is cheap. Get off your arses. Throw some coin into a hat. Book a track and see how many show up. There will be your answer.
Wooo hooo, Its happening Ted old mate, i am working feverishly behind the scenes to get this happening! hence why i have been missing online for a few days!! All will be announced soon:)
How did you go with the council?
Problem being about gauging interest by how many turn up... Is that most people excited about the concept of above pre90 won't have suitable machines to be able to turn up and ride. Once we all know the concept is serious and enough interest is out there, I think there will be enough numbers to enjoy social ride days together
Dont bar up or take this the wrong way as im serious , wouldn't you open it up to any bike built pre 1990 1995 at least for a start . As what your proposing is still in its infancy i would have thought a lower age limit would be counter productive . I dont imagine you would have large numbers of pre 75 bikes rolling in , but maybe some evo and pre 86 bikes could make up numbers .
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Lots of talk and not one mention of a meeting to take place between Pre 2000 enthusiasts.
Talk is cheap. Get off your arses. Throw some coin into a hat. Book a track and see how many show up. There will be your answer.
Wooo hooo, Its happening Ted old mate, i am working feverishly behind the scenes to get this happening! hence why i have been missing online for a few days!! All will be announced soon:)
How did you go with the council?
Problem being about gauging interest by how many turn up... Is that most people excited about the concept of above pre90 won't have suitable machines to be able to turn up and ride. Once we all know the concept is serious and enough interest is out there, I think there will be enough numbers to enjoy social ride days together
Dont bar up or take this the wrong way as im serious , wouldn't you open it up to any bike built pre 1990 at least for a start . As what your proposing is still in its infancy i would have thought a lower age limit would be counter productive . I dont imagine you would have large numbers of pre 75 bikes rolling in , but maybe some evo and pre 86 bikes could make up numbers .
Ahhhh yep, anyone is welcome, i thought that would be given!
we're not planning to exclude anyone who shows any form of interest. even if you don't have something of the era, but are interested, roll up on your modem bike.
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Good stuff. It's great to read that there are people putting in the hard yards to achieve what they believe in. Well done.
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Is that sunday/monday?
Or am I mistaken?
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we're not planning to exclude anyone who shows any form of interest. even if you don't have something of the era, but are interested, roll up on your modem bike.
Bingo, perfect attitude.
I will be there. :)
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Count me in, I'll bring my 440 Maico (evo) till I can get my 91 Kx 5 built
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Cool cool!! Yeah sorry weekend of the 1st & 2nd March 14!!
sorry. I was looking at 2015!!
I'll be there on the Saturday and Sunday:)
Hey ya Nathan S! I have my 92/93 CR 250:):):):):)
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Hey ya Nathan S! I have my 92/93 CR 250:):):):):)
I want to see it in Herring/Castrol colours or I will be disappointed!
Have you registered on Retrodirtbike.com yet?
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I'm in
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I don't think the age of the bike is the deciding factor in vmx anymore. In 1990 when vmx was up and running a 74 250 elsinore was only 16 years old but it LOOKED and rode like a vintage bike compared to a 1990 CR250.
Now a 94 CR250 might be 19 years old but it looks and performs like a modern bike and can hardly be called vintage. Sure there is a place for pre 95 and pre 2000 mx bikes but I don't think it's at your local vmx meet. I think they need their own Retro series or to be run as a support class at a modern club day..
every time I hear someone say just like a modern , I want to scream, ride a modern bike then ride a pre90 YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND
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I don't think the age of the bike is the deciding factor in vmx anymore. In 1990 when vmx was up and running a 74 250 elsinore was only 16 years old but it LOOKED and rode like a vintage bike compared to a 1990 CR250.
Now a 94 CR250 might be 19 years old but it looks and performs like a modern bike and can hardly be called vintage. Sure there is a place for pre 95 and pre 2000 mx bikes but I don't think it's at your local vmx meet. I think they need their own Retro series or to be run as a support class at a modern club day..
every time I hear someone say just like a modern , I want to scream, ride a modern bike then ride a pre90 YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND
I have a 2010 CRF450 and a 89 CR250, I know the difference! The lap times between the 2 is not that different, it is not anywhere near comparable to the difference between a 74 CR250 and 90 CR250.
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When you see the lap times published at a VMX meeting, there's remarkably little difference between the eras - far less than most people would expect.
The only real gap is Pre-75 to Evo, but if the track is smooth then even that gap is smaller than you would expect.
Personally, I go about as fast around an MX track on virtually any bike - while certain bikes do some things better its all swings and roundabouts. My talent and my balls limit my speed more than the bike does. That makes me slow on a modern, but reasonably quick on a Pre-78.
The reality is that we seperate eras for reasons other than their actual speed. Those reasons apply equally to Pre-95 vs moderns.
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When you see the lap times published at a VMX meeting, there's remarkably little difference between the eras - far less than most people would expect.
The only real gap is Pre-75 to Evo, but if the track is smooth then even that gap is smaller than you would expect.
Personally, I go about as fast around an MX track on virtually any bike - while certain bikes do some things better its all swings and roundabouts. My talent and my balls limit my speed more than the bike does. That makes me slow on a modern, but reasonably quick on a Pre-78.
The reality is that we separate eras for reasons other than their actual speed. Those reasons apply equally to Pre-95 vs moderns.
Exactly. I call it my "internal governor". I have a certain comfortable speed and jumping distance. I do not really care to go beyond that, because there is no Factory contract waiting for me, but I do have a mortgage, a wife and two young daughters to raise. If I were 17 again and did not give a shit (Young, Dumb and Full of C*m) I would probably be doing everything I could to get faster each season. I'm in it for the cool bikes and the fun times. I can adapt to any era, but I will always have that special time in MX history that matters more than the others.
;)
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Young, Dumb and Full of C*m
So descriptive Jay, I've never heard that before.....I think you have to reach 50 or even 60 to look back and see how very true that is ;D
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When you see the lap times published at a VMX meeting, there's remarkably little difference between the eras - far less than most people would expect.
The only real gap is Pre-75 to Evo, but if the track is smooth then even that gap is smaller than you would expect.
Personally, I go about as fast around an MX track on virtually any bike - while certain bikes do some things better its all swings and roundabouts. My talent and my balls limit my speed more than the bike does. That makes me slow on a modern, but reasonably quick on a Pre-78.
The reality is that we seperate eras for reasons other than their actual speed. Those reasons apply equally to Pre-95 vs moderns.
Yeah fair enough.. My original post was that I think pre 95 is more suited as a support class at a modern meet or as a stand alone Retro event with pre 2000 etc rather than being added as another class at a vmx race, and it looks like that is going to happen so all is good...
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Personally, I go about as fast around an MX track on virtually any bike - while certain bikes do some things better its all swings and roundabouts. My talent and my balls limit my speed more than the bike does. That makes me slow on a modern, but reasonably quick on a Pre-78.
Same here , im quicker on a pre 75 and pre 78 than on a modern , it could be that i dont ride moders FA so when i do im all out of sorts because the brakes work and the thing feels 10 ft tall :)
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Hey ya Nathan S! I have my 92/93 CR 250:):):):):)
I want to see it in Herring/Castrol colours or I will be disappointed!
Have you registered on Retrodirtbike.com yet?
Rob Herring colours coming up:)
I'll register over the weekend:)
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I think you will find Nicholls colours were faster ;) if i was up for one of those moderns , a Herring , Nicholl CR replica would be my choice :)
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RETRO Ride day confirmed at Louee on the weekend of 1,2,3 March 2014 All welcome!!!
Tom and crew at Louee are looking forward to hosting some nostalgia:) Grass track will be there for anyone whom wishes to bring a Pre 78 bike!
Please contact me for any accommodation queries or Tom at Louee:)
I'm looking at booking a house, i need to get numbers and pay a deposit, so i'll need conformations asap:)
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Exactly. I call it my "internal governor". I have a certain comfortable speed and jumping distance. I do not really care to go beyond that, because there is no Factory contract waiting for me, but I do have a mortgage, a wife and two young daughters to raise. If I were 17 again and did not give a shit (Young, Dumb and Full of C*m) I would probably be doing everything I could to get faster each season. I'm in it for the cool bikes and the fun times. I can adapt to any era, but I will always have that special time in MX history that matters more than the others.
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Thanks for the giggle, I am in the exact same boat... Thank Christ what's running through my head while riding doesn't get put into action because of this ' internal governor' . I found my limits in a bad way a few years back and the body remembers the pain I think... Oh and the bank balance controls my right wrist when you start getting a bit excited ;D
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HI Guys
Those who were interested in joining us for a ride, the venue has been changed from Louee to Rocky Valley!!!!
Price is a small donation to the owner ($20-30) for the track prep, free camping etc. The owner is interested in old bikes, but not a member of any club and i found him through the Facebook page! He has set up his ultimate ride park for people of same interest!
Enduro loop, Ero style MX track, Beginners track, Camping!!
Please Contact me for more info!!!
Cheers
Nathan
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I googled Rocky Valley, but cant find it?
Where is it?
thanks
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Mick
Its a private facility, owned by a MX nut!!
There are a few vids on Youtube:)
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There is an excellent opportunity for this facility to be used as a future VMX facility!
There is a full Euro Style MX track!
guys, please let me know if your interested!
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and the $64million dollar question is where is Rocky Valley?
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Just down from Shark Point 8)
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Mick, you will need to fit your visor to the rear of your helmet and brush up on your 5 stage handshake procedure, bro, to gain said information, bro
FIIK where it is. But it's on the same date as Heavens first round, so I'm out
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Should I be laughin, or what ;D
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Mick, you will need to fit your visor to the rear of your helmet and brush up on your 5 stage handshake procedure, bro, to gain said information, bro
FIIK where it is. But it's on the same date as Heavens first round, so I'm out
Whoops, sorry Nathan.
On the other hand though,,,,I hid all the paper work from MA for my medical Clearance when I used to drink,,,,,,
and I cant remember where I hid it
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I've been near going out of my mind trying to find where i hid it,,,,,,well not as out there as Tim,,, but you know what I mean.
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Mick
It's a private farm, 400 acres!!
The lad who owns it, has set up his own private MX facility to cater for all his mates.
it has:
SX Track
Euro Style MX track (Evo friendly)
Beginners tracl
MX Grass track
Enduro loop
VMX track to be completed by he 1st of March!
He is not a member of the forum, nor does he know about Heaven or Retro until tonight. and better yet, he did not know about the previous until i informed him about them!
He has several fully restored pre 90 bikes and is full support of the sport, and is offering his land to us for nothing! He just want to see old bike being used on it!
STAY IN TOUCH!
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Sounds good!
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Mick
It's a private farm, 400 acres!!
The lad who owns it, has set up his own private MX facility to cater for all his mates.
it has:
SX Track
Euro Style MX track (Evo friendly)
Beginners tracl
MX Grass track
Enduro loop
VMX track to be completed by he 1st of March!
He is not a member of the forum, nor does he know about Heaven or Retro until tonight. and better yet, he did not know about the previous until i informed him about them!
He has several fully restored pre 90 bikes and is full support of the sport, and is offering his land to us for nothing! He just want to see old bike being used on it!
STAY IN TOUCH!
Sounds awesome.
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Mick
It's a private farm, 400 acres!!
The lad who owns it, has set up his own private MX facility to cater for all his mates.
it has:
SX Track
Euro Style MX track (Evo friendly)
Beginners tracl
MX Grass track
Enduro loop
VMX track to be completed by he 1st of March!
He is not a member of the forum, nor does he know about Heaven or Retro until tonight. and better yet, he did not know about the previous until i informed him about them!
He has several fully restored pre 90 bikes and is full support of the sport, and is offering his land to us for nothing! He just want to see old bike being used on it!
STAY IN TOUCH!
Sounds awesome.
Sure does, I'm excited! I'm heading out Friday to inspect the compound:) I'll grab some pics and post on here:)
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Rocky Valley directions:
Address: 473 Durridgere Road Turill
From the South:
-From Mudgee town head North along Ulan Road
-After 30 minutes you will drive past a coal mine either side of the road.
-A further 5 minutes down the road turn right onto Durridgere Road.
-4.73 km down Durridgere Road turn left into driveway of number 473 Durridgere Road.
From the North:
-Turn off The Golden Highway onto Ulan Road heading South. (this is 15 minutes West of Merriwa)
-After 15 minutes turn left into Durridgere Road
-4.73 km down Durridgere Road turn left into driveway of number 473 Durridgere Road.
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Thanks Mitch