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Marque Remarks => Maico => Topic started by: paul on November 12, 2013, 07:33:36 pm
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Your not wrong Paul! A very good buy indeed, ultra rarest of all the squaries, the mighty 350cc,,,,,
well according to firko and a few select others,,,frankly, I believe him and them.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/424adcb8-454d-4de5-b48f-c6511e5624d_zps22c3ee76.jpg~original)
$3,500
Ignorantly enough, Dave#6 slagged this bike as a "bitsa" when he had his thread up about "whats on offer" (probably deleted now that its job of talking up his next impending sale has been done)
I think the 400 Dave speculated on was worth having, for sure,,,,,but I believe this one is worth way, way more,,
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mick when I saw the price reduction , I thought what a bargain especially for a 350
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Hell bargain, I have spent more than that on a weekend,,,,,,,that I can't remember ::)
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I suspect, carrying #45 that bike belonged to Mick Hockley, who had a 350 squarie roadracer as well, which used to fly, was quick and reliable. Fair chance this bike is well-sorted and healthy inside.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes I believe Glenn.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes I believe Glenn.
have you rung the number yet ;D
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Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes I believe Glenn.
have you rung the number yet ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry Paul, I nearly bought it when it was up at $5,900
I would like to,,,,,,,,,,,,,
There are three sound reasons why I wont,,,
And you know at least one of them ;)
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Was this not for sale in January ?
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I suspect, carrying #45 that bike belonged to Mick Hockley, who had a 350 squarie roadracer as well, which used to fly, was quick and reliable. Fair chance this bike is well-sorted and healthy inside.
There'a thread on this bike somewhere on here. This is Micks old 350, not a 400, the same bike he road raced, dirt tracked and motocrossed throughout the 90's and early this century. It's a couple of engine numbers away from both of my 350's and the one Paul had from memory. It's a fast and well maintained 350 and is a great buy at 3.5k. I wouldn't sell mine that cheap. the 350 squarie is the pick of the open class square barrels, much better than the 360 and 400. This bike is a perfect pre 70 class hot shot with the right bloke on board, you won't find a better square Maico for close to that money.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2087/2013-02-17_40_zpsc870af36.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2087/2013-02-17_40_zpsc870af36.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2088/2013-02-17_43_zps399f2d19.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2088/2013-02-17_43_zps399f2d19.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2089/2013-02-17_39_zps485e6b8e.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2089/2013-02-17_39_zps485e6b8e.jpg.html)
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have you rung the number yet ;D
I have and a deal is soon to be done BUT before I pull the trigger on this bike could I please get some confirmation that this is definitely pre 70. I do not wish to have any issues with eligibility when I present the bike at the 2014 Classic Nats ;D
My first Maico ... what am I thinking :)
Thanks in advance ;D
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Go for it Simo....all squaries fit into pre 70. My identical bike has raced in pre 70 for 24 years, won both DT and MX Nats three times and has never been protested. But don't take my word, somebody else back me up........(I'm gun shy after recommending that Suzuki ;D)
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Go for it Simo....all squaries fit into pre 70. My identical bike has raced in pre 70 for 24 years, won both DT and MX Nats three times and has never been protested. But don't take my word, somebody else back me up........(I'm gun shy after recommending that Suzuki ;D)
LOL ... thanks Firko ...surely lightening could not strike twice ;D
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Tell me a bit more about Dave's claim it's a Bitsa? What parts are from what models that you can identify? I don't want a 1975 frame or anything. Do you think the frame, swing arm, forks etc all look pre 70 compliant?
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Tell me a bit more about Dave's claim it's a Bitsa? What parts are from what models that you can identify? I don't want a 1975 frame or anything. Do you think the frame, swing arm, forks etc all look pre 70 compliant?
Don't worry about what Dave said, it's all pre 70 compliant Craig, it won't be a problem. If you want verification give Mick a call. Buy it before someone else does, you know how that goes :)
Pete.
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Simo, like Pete said buy it anyhow. I already have one or it would already be sold.
Give me five minutes and I will share some info with you.
I will need a beer first, five minutes, hang on.
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Ah thats better.
Ok first of all Mick Hockley had two Squaries.
The pics that Mark put up are of Micks H's 1969 360 squary
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/2013-02-17_40_zps7a20c78c.jpg~original)
See the decompressor at the front of the cylinder above the exhaust?
See the large gap between the cylinder and the head?
See the fold in the airbox is back between the 4 and five digit? = wide frame(seat sub frame rails).
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/2013-02-17_40_zps9d92761b.jpg~original)
Ok,,,, now the one that is for sale that Paul has posted was in fact Mick H's second bike, which is indeed the very rare 350 model. I believe only around 35 engines made.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/424adcb8-454d-4de5-b48f-c6511e5624d5-lg_zps01e488a2.jpg~original)
notice the narrow gap between the cylinder and head.
The lack of decompressor at the front(it is actually in the rear of the cylinder.
Notice the fold in the air box is more forward = narrow frame(seat sub frame rails).
Ok elegability, let me get another beer first.
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LOL ... I'm enjoying this lesson but you don't go far on a beer mick ;D ;D
Question though ... if it's so rare, are parts a problem or do they interchange?
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LOL ... I'm enjoying this lesson but you don't go far on a beer mick ;D ;D
Question though ... if it's so rare, are parts a problem or do they interchange?
:D ;D ;D ;D yes parts are all the same except for the crank and the cylinder. Head is also machined slightly different as well. all the pistons are the same 360//350/400.all starting at 77mm.
Ok,,,re eligibility,,,If you want it in concrete, best contact some one like Dave Tanner I reckon.
In the old yearly rule books like the 2007 one that I have here some where, which is momentarily misplaced ::)
It says that as a carry over,,all Maico squaries are pre-70 eligible,,,as long as they are fitted with the early symmetrical front hub and the round die cast engine cases.
Check with Dave if it still stands,,,as it is now absent in the latest rule book.
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Tell me a bit more about Dave's claim it's a Bitsa?
Dave#6's sale strategy that's all.
Talking his offerings up by slagging this one down in his thread "Whats on offer".
This 350 was listed on ebay for $6,900 originally, then down to $5,900.
Any how Dave claims he has finally found his love that he raced when he was younger,,,,so I am guessing he may finally indeed found his keeper,,, :)
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Thanks for all the advice Mick. I will look to Mr Tanner for some further confirmation tomorrow although I doubt he will be able to be exact from just the pictures so I suspect I'll present the bike to him and see what he has to say.
Any how Dave has finally found his love that he raced when he was younger,,,,so I am guessing he may finally indeed found his keeper,,, :)
That last line goes to show you've crossed the line .... you've had too much beer I think ;D ;D
But seriously thanks again, I really appreciate your help. And I really appreciate this forum for exactly this sort of help from people that know and care enough to take the time to educate other enthusiasts. Cheers mate 8)
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Cheers Simo.
Just another quick point. I have jigged both these frames they share Identical geometry.
It is only the seat support rails that are different and the air box to suit of course.
I big dog calling, hooroo.
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I am obviously not going to be up early Simo. Hopefully Firko will be around to help you.
I will share my concerns,,,
I am a bit suspect about this bike.
Make sure it is the one the seller has pictured.
He has the engine number listed as 381341,,,that really confuses me??
I was told Maico shipped engines as well as complete bikes.
I was told reliably they made two runs of these 350cc engines.
I was told they were close ratio, so that means the serial number begins with "T"
When the first run of engines were produced they were serial stamped under the cylinder on the right hand side,,
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/2013-11-13014005_zps95eada0c.jpg~original)
The first run were numbered in the lower 200,, that is; "T4022**
By the time the second run were produced they had started stamping the serial numbers on the right hand engine case
right above the counter sprocket, the numbers were still "T402" but had now jumped to the six hundreds,, that is "T4026**
Mick Hockley told a friend of mine that he had bought one bike complete and virtually pieced together the second one himself,, I don't know which was which,, but given the 350cc engines were freely available separately at the time?
I see the pic of that bike shows a decompressor lever on the bars, so if it has a valve on the rear of the cylinder it has to be a 350(345)
The top of the cylinder will have 350cc stamped on it.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/d26f9fe6-7c73-4359-8f86-943695c49c18_zpscf1797a9.jpg~original)
With the head off, the measured stroke should be 74mm and the crank is stamped 350 also
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/IMGP4554_zps566350e5.jpg~original)
Why does the seller think it is a 400?? there must be no ID plate on the steering head?
In that condition, It is a bargain regardless of whether it is a 250/350/360/400.
Sweet handler.
Rossco(NSW), AKA Turtle, absolutely hammers on a 250. He loves it, a definite keeper.
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the bike is not sold .he thinks the engine number is I which is probably a t 391341
there no front id plate
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the bike is not sold .he thinks the engine number is I which is probably a t 391341
there no front id plate
What are you saying Paul? Is it a pre 70 legal bike or not?
So they should have a front ID plate and this one doesn't?
Correct it's not sold until I pay Alex for it but I don't want to buy a bike with questions over its eligibility.
And the fact it appears cheap combined with no ID plate, concerned over the engine etc makes me very nervous. I believe you get what you pay for. A cheap ineligible bike is not what I'm after.
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all im saying is that's the engine number and the id plate is missing , you decide
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Okay so I've spoken to Alex again and he reckons that Steve New identified it as pre 70 model due to the clutch being located under the engine.
No chassis plate and engine number t391341 under the barrel.
Sounds legit?
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Okay talked with him again and the price is wrong. Alex wants $5250 for the Maico.
He is selling an RM370 for $3500
As nice as it is, it's too much for me to spend :(
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What are you saying Paul? Is it a pre 70 legal bike or not?
All square barrels are legal for pre 70 Craig. Stop worrying whether it's legal and worry about just which Hockley bike it is. I'm waiting for the guy that owns the ex Mick Hockley Maico stash who'll have info on that bike to phone me back . I'll be back to you as soon as I have something solid.
Yamaico Pete.....give me a call.
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Okay talked with him again and the price is wrong. Alex wants $5250 for the Maico.
He is selling an RM370 for $3500
As nice as it is, it's too much for me to spend :(
dreaming
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Alex wants $5250 for the Maico
What a load of shit >:( >:....he should be made to sell it for the advertised price. It's a 4k bike BUT it's a limited market, how many folks have a square barrel Maico on their must have list? Keep at him for the 3.5k price, he might weaken at the sight of a hand full of gorillas.
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Alex wants $5250 for the Maico
What a load of shit >:( >:....he should be made to sell it for the advertised price. It's a 4k bike BUT it's a limited market, how many folks have a square barrel Maico on their must have list? Keep at him for the 3.5k price, he might weaken at the sight of a hand full of gorillas.
Not my style Firko. That's the best part of $2k difference and if he has already come down from around the $6k mark then he's not going to go much lower you would think. In fact it was him that called me back to tell me about the price error and that I should save myself running around.
All good though, thanks for everyone's help :)
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I thought you specialised in buying non legal bikes Simo... ;D...sounds very dodgy to me.
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I thought you specialised in buying non legal bikes Simo... ;D...sounds very dodgy to me.
Lol, yeah thanks John .. can always count on your support mate ;D
I think the bike is okay just a few issues like the jump in price and the fact it's been 'rebuilt' a few years back but not raced so it's probably not close to race ready. At $3500 it was probably worth the punt re eligibility and knowing that I would have to spend $$ to get it right for racing but at the end of the day I'll let someone else have the joy :)
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The first run were numbered in the lower 200,, that is; "T4022**
By the time the second run were produced they had started stamping the serial numbers on the right hand engine case
right above the counter sprocket, the numbers were still "T402" but had now jumped to the six hundreds,, that is "T4026**
Mick Hockley told a friend of mine that he had bought one bike complete and virtually pieced together the second one himself,, I don't know which was which,, but given the 350cc engines were freely available separately at the time?
I see the pic of that bike shows a decompressor lever on the bars, so if it has a valve on the rear of the cylinder it has to be a 350(345)
The top of the cylinder will have 350cc stamped on it
.he thinks the engine number is I which is probably a t 391341
For what its worth one of my 350's has the # T4026** but the other one is a really early # T3850**. 4026 is a 1970 model so it's safe to assume the 385 engine is a 1969....it should be in a wide frame but somewhere along the way it received a narrow frame. I'm still waiting for info on the ex Hockley bikes.....purely for general information now that Simo's out of the game.
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Here you go Simo..........
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2091/squareMaico_zps054a286b.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2091/squareMaico_zps054a286b.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2092/squareMaico1_zps073b3a9c.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2092/squareMaico1_zps073b3a9c.jpg.html)
FOR SALE
Ad # 3225715 November 11, 2013
Maico MC250cc don't know the year I think 1971 or 72 motor stuck has a brass rotor ignition to make spark good frame no cracks original air box front fender is an A&A good for parts or get it running has the tag on the neck side piper model $375.00
Rick Browne
Camarillo, CA
Phone: 1 805 389-3229 | Email
Registered Since 6/25
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(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/ozmaico/mrr2_zpsb6eebe73.jpg) (http://s382.photobucket.com/user/ozmaico/media/mrr2_zpsb6eebe73.jpg.html)
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Okay so I've spoken to Alex again and he reckons that Steve New identified it as pre 70 model due to the clutch being located under the engine.
That is a good check for Scrutineers to identify Square Barrel frames.
1969 360
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/mrr2_zpscce74709.jpg~original)
To say the least,,,,I think the fact that Firko still has one of these Squarey machines that he purchased new and has been around their origin and race use since the beginning,,,is a valuble asset 8)
For what its worth one of my 350's has the # T4026** but the other one is a really early # T3850**. 4026 is a 1970 model so it's safe to assume the 385 engine is a 1969....it should be in a wide frame but somewhere along the way it received a narrow frame. I'm still waiting for info on the ex Hockley bikes.....purely for general information now that Simo's out of the game.
At the shinnyness advertised $3,500,, I would purchase,, if I didn't already have one.
But to type it up and advertise at $3,500,,,then jack it up to $5,250 upon phone contact,,what a dick >:(
And we thought our Dave had played every tactic in the book,,,
Daves got nothin on this bloke.
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At the shinnyness advertised $3,500,, I would purchase,, if I didn't already have one.
But to type it up and advertise at $3,500,,,then jack it up to $5,250 upon phone contact,,what a dick >:(
And we thought our Dave had played every tactic in the book,,,
Daves got nothin on this bloke.
To be honest Mick, the seller Alex sounded like a pretty straight shooter to me. If he had previously advertised the bike at $5900 then his new price of $5250 makes a lot more sense than $3500 as that is a massive drop.
I'm disappointed but that's the way it goes. I'm sure there is a buyer out there with more $$ than me just busting to get this bike. I just wanted a competitive and class legal, pre 70 race bike.
And on the Dave thing, during the course of our conversations he stated he knew Dave Alsop quite well as they both come from down Geelong/Corio way ... but I won't say any more on that ;) ;D
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At the shinnyness advertised $3,500,, I would purchase,, if I didn't already have one.
But to type it up and advertise at $3,500,,,then jack it up to $5,250 upon phone contact,,what a dick >:(
And we thought our Dave had played every tactic in the book,,,
Daves got nothin on this bloke.
To be honest Mick, the seller Alex sounded like a pretty straight shooter to me. If he had previously advertised the bike at $5900 then his new price of $5250 makes a lot more sense than $3500 as that is a massive drop.
I'm disappointed but that's the way it goes. I'm sure there is a buyer out there with more $$ than me just busting to get this bike. I just wanted a competitive and class legal, pre 70 race bike.
And on the Dave thing, during the course of our conversations he stated he knew Dave Alsop quite well as they both come from down Geelong/Corio way ... but I won't say any more on that ;) ;D
That may well be true Simmo,,,,hard to comprehend the arrival at such a large mistake though :o
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I love the look of this one done by US's Maico Miester
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/KGrHqNk0E2EWLN4WpBNmnE7q3-_3.jpg~original)
Anyhow Simo, at least now without a Maico Squarie you wont have to carry around a big stick to beat off the distractions
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/6.jpg~original)
:D
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I think the fact that Firko still has one of these Squarey machines that he purchased new and has been around their origin and race use since the beginning,,,is a valuble asset 8)
My baby, bought brand new but with a lot of mods done during her life. I've still got then original yellow glass and wheels.....I must get her all fixed up and back on the track again.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2104/camden11_zps9669ed63.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2104/camden11_zps9669ed63.jpg.html)
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(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2104/camden11_zps9669ed63.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2104/camden11_zps9669ed63.jpg.html)
That's beautiful Mark 8)
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I been thinking that $5k for a potential class winning bike in good condition is not that bad a price anyway. What other motor sport can you get to the pointy end for that value. I accept the politics behind the price change but it may also be a typo mistake, sometimes I think that there is a tendency to cut of your nose to spite your face.
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Simo, go down to your bike shop and order a Maico, you wont, as you know they don't make them any more, But if you buy Alex bike,you will end up with or pre 70 bike that you have been looking for. Alex is a good fellow and can be fare, and Just bikes made the error, that's why the price was changed.
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Dave. Are you sure you can't buy brand new Maicos?
Clink on this link http://www.ktm-koestler.de/en/maico-bikes/maico-shop.html (http://www.ktm-koestler.de/en/maico-bikes/maico-shop.html)
There is also a company called Maico International, that has been developing bikes as well. It appears that Bill Brown is involved with this company.
So there might be two companies making new Maico, but I'm sure there will be a fight over the name.
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What I was referring to, you cant buy a brand new maico pre75 race bike off the show room floor. Its nice to see them building new 2013 models
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koestlers will build you a new maico from parts
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I would hate think how much that would cost.
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A new Maico 250 or 320 from the company in Germany is 7,925.00 euro that's just over $10,000.00 AUD.
On another subject I have just got the latest Just Bikes (21/11/2013) and the 1969 Maico is in it again. The price is $3,500.00 there is also an RM 370 A for the same price. I don't know what the legalities are but surely if someone wants to they can force him to sell it for that price (unless he can show it has already been sold).
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The maico was sold the day after the add came out. Neil