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Clubroom => Bike Talk => Topic started by: 09.0 on November 09, 2013, 04:06:37 pm
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Don't know if many realised that I rode a 76 Maico that is powered by a triumph last weekend. I was offered the ride and thought why not, wouldn't mind doing a couple more laps!
So the seed has been sown. Now what do I put a triumph in? Will it be competitive in pre 75 four stroke?
Maico square barrel frame?
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I'm just walking out the door to go to the hospital to see my mum so I'll think about your question while I'm away and give my 2 bobs worth when I get back ;D........in the meantime here's Brad on Doug Atchison's AW650.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2065/13NatsMotoPark033_zpsd36ac40b.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2065/13NatsMotoPark033_zpsd36ac40b.jpg.html)
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Well IMO a nice CZ frame and running gear would build a nice Trump engine pre 75 fourstroke. Would need a alloy tank thou as all fourstroke hot rod bikes do.
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Brad i knew you would come over to the dark side!!
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Brad i knew you would come over to the dark side!!
The sweet sweet sound is like the pied piper. Luring me in.
Well IMO a nice CZ frame and running gear would build a nice Trump engine pre 75 fourstroke. Would need a alloy tank thou as all fourstroke hot rod bikes do.
The alloy tank is a given. We (dad and I) already have most parts to do one as a Cz. But I think I would rather do a Maico framed one.
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Don't know if many realised that I rode a 76 Maico that is powered by a triumph last weekend. I was offered the ride and thought why not, wouldn't mind doing a couple more laps!
So the seed has been sown. Now what do I put a triumph in? Will it be competitive in pre 75 four stroke?
Maico square barrel frame?
you told me once this would never ever happen ::) ;D
I'm not sure what the opposite of a keeper is, but this is it!
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The Triumph engine is a really good starter for a hot rod Brad. I've got a T100 500 the same as Verns that's going into a BSA C15 250 frame for pre 60. Those little Trumpy engines hoot and they're so small they fit in just about everything from a Rickman Zundapp to a Maico. A good conversion is to fit one to a Sprite/American Eagle/Alron frame which would be legal for pre 65, 70 and 75. The 650 engine like in Doug's AW is a fair bit bigger and I doubt it'd fit either the Maico or CZ without lengthening the cradle. I'm going to fit my 650 into a lightened stock frame for pre 65 and later as a street tracker. I'd be using the 650 for pre 65 if I was you, they're arguably the best engine (bar Matchless) and you can fit them to all sorts of frames. For pre 75 it's a lot more difficult because of the size of the bugger. The little 500 motor is almost as quick but much smaller and adaptable.........just my 2 bobs worth.
Below...just to prove that a 500 Triumph in a 70's Rickman Zundapp isn't all bullshit, here's one in street trim. Imagine it with serious pre 75 suspension and you'd have a great little pre 75 four stroke class racer
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2066/rickmanZundapptriumph_zpsadf5ea9c.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2066/rickmanZundapptriumph_zpsadf5ea9c.jpg.html)
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Triumph 500cc twin power in a Rickman Zundapp frame, sounds neat! Do have frame don't have Triumph 500, do have Honda 500 four engine or three Hmmm ...stop it Tim stop it...! But..... ;)
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Here's a 500 Triumph in a 250 Sprite/American Eagle frame.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2067/sprite2_zps02b53a28.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2067/sprite2_zps02b53a28.jpg.html)
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Ya messin with my already demented mind Mark :) The Sprite looks a treat!
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Ha .... joining the 4 stroke brigade at last.
John Kemp has something similar ???? you rode it at Nudgee a couple of months ago and the noise they make are unreal. Bitten by the 4 stroke bug at last ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Triumph 500cc twin power in a Rickman Zundapp frame, sounds neat! Do have frame don't have Triumph 500, do have Honda 500 four engine or three Hmmm ...stop it Tim stop it...! But..... ;)
Tim those trumpys come up for reasonable money , if you have the frame your half way there :) and you have the skills to make it happen .
Would be a great project , and the forums overdue for a good project build 8)
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Excellent....another four stroke convert to add to the ranks. And....another hot rod builder ;D I didn't think you'd ever come to that Brad.
Like Firko has said, the smaller T100 trumpy is a great motor and go like the clappers. I've ridden a T100 Metisse and it was a real treat to ride. I found the Metisse chassis a bit cramped for my height though.
Why not consider building a TriBsa? I reckon the T100 would fit in a B50 frame. In my opinion, the B50 is a great handling bike once you have a decent fork and shock combination on them. The B50 frame is much stronger than the earlier C15 or B40 frame too.
Keep it all pommy mate ;)
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What about this one Brad
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=655449791
Closes tonight
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My [nowdays longleg'ed RT1] had a 3TA motor in it on the road in std RT1/2/3 trim. Had to pat the front down tubes back a little to fit the 360 back in but no engine mounts were altered by memory [30 years ago or so]. So--going by that i'd say one of those 3TA/5TA/T100 type motors would easily slot into the next generation frame--from MX250/360/SC500 on as from then on the motors were longer--plus i suppose Mx250B/YZ250C & 400's of course.
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why have the 500 brad has all the bikes in the early classes
pre75 t140 750-900 depending how much money you want to spend also for you non british bike riders LHS gear shift
if it handles around corners its a drag bike in the straight
jim
pre65 yetman triumph tr6r 750 racer
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Why not consider building a TriBsa? I reckon the T100 would fit in a B50 frame. In my opinion, the B50 is a great handling bike once you have a decent fork and shock combination on them. The B50 frame is much stronger than the earlier C15 or B40 frame too.
They actually made a T100R powered B50 for a short period back in 1972 or so, the TR5T. Genuine Triumph Adventurers (Triumph Trophy Trail in US) are few and far between but you could easily build your own using a BSA B50 roller and a Triumph T100R engine that'd make a great pre 75 4T racer. You could use a B44 frame for pre 70 and a B40 frame for pre 65. I believe that the Trumpy engine bolts right into the B50 frame, the B50 and Triumph engines sharing the same engine mount layout. I reckon one of these would make a great Pre 75/4stroke class racer using Betor or Ceriani forks, Yamaha front wheel, decent rear shocks and a lot of poundage hacksawed off the roller.
Triumph introduced the TR5T Adventurer on/off road Trail bike in late 1972. Powered by a 490cc version of Triumph's venerable 'Twin' (itself a successful race motor equally at home on road), the chassis was effectively BSA's B.50 MX (BSA being Triumph's parent company at the time), a chassis still good enough to be winning major motocross events in 1972. Unfortunately the Adventurer would only survive until 1974, the money having dried up and the Triumph motorcycle brand going under. Today the dual-purpose Adventurer is seen as one of the great 'might-have-beens' of the British Motorcycle industry, which, with more development money, could have been one of the greats.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2070/triumph-trophy-trail_zps21c8b76e.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2070/triumph-trophy-trail_zps21c8b76e.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2071/tr5t_zps71f37df7.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2071/tr5t_zps71f37df7.jpg.html)
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Here's another take on Triumph 500 engine swaps, a Tricot....a Triumph 500 powered Cotton. While this one is pre 65, you could do the same with the very similar AJS Stormer for pre 75. I started to build one of these, but abandoned the project when I got my Metisse roller. Yamaico Pete owns the frame today. The Cotton frame is made from Reynolds 531 tubing and is extremely light and very modern in layout for a sixties built item.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2072/Tricot6_m_zps557320e3.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2072/Tricot6_m_zps557320e3.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2073/cottontriumph_zps74c1cdcb.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2073/cottontriumph_zps74c1cdcb.jpg.html)
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Wow,lonin' the look of all these specials especially the Cotton one.Didn't some guys put Triumph engines into Greeves frames (Grumphs) for desert racing in the US?
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Yeah Firko, I did realise the B50/T100 had been done by the factory after I posted my blurb. I remember seeing one up in QLD (Brad!!!), at Mike Reily's place a few years back. It wasn't complete but was a brand new bike. From memory, I think the tank and exhaust were the only bits missing.
There's a lot of weight to be saved off the B50 frame as you say Firko. By running a remote oil filter set up you can remove a big section of the backbone past where the rear loop top rails connect to it. The beauty of removing all that extra weight is the added bonus of being able to fit a decent air box as well. I run a CCM air box on mine. I've got Betor forks and shocks on my B50. After fiddling with PDS valves and YSS classic ($600) shocks, I tossed the lot and went back to the standard Montessa valving with slight mods on the rebound holes. It cost me a set of original dampening rods to fit the crappy PDS valves and when I went to re-oil the shocks, well, lets just say push bike suspension has more components. The Betor MX shocks cost me @ $300 delivered and are excellent straight out of the box. I use a '74 Honda XL front hub and reckon it's the ducks guts. The brake is light years better than the Montessa set up I started with. One finger braking all day long! I use a early Bultaco rear hub that saves heaps of weight, but I reckon a Maico hub might be a bit stronger. At least the B50 has brakes to match the big thumping pommy lump of motor now :D
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Yeah Firko, I did realise the B50/T100 had been done by the factory after I posted my blurb. I remember seeing one up in QLD (Brad!!!), at Mike Reily's place a few years back. It wasn't complete but was a brand new bike. From memory, I think the tank and exhaust were the only bits missing.
There's a lot of weight to be saved off the B50 frame as you say Firko. By running a remote oil filter set up you can remove a big section of the backbone past where the rear loop top rails connect to it. The beauty of removing all that extra weight is the added bonus of being able to fit a decent air box as well. I run a CCM air box on mine. I've got Betor forks and shocks on my B50. After fiddling with PDS valves and YSS classic ($600) shocks, I tossed the lot and went back to the standard Montessa valving with slight mods on the rebound holes. It cost me a set of original dampening rods to fit the crappy PDS valves and when I went to re-oil the shocks, well, lets just say push bike suspension has more components. The Betor MX shocks cost me @ $300 delivered and are excellent straight out of the box. I use a '74 Honda XL front hub and reckon it's the ducks guts. The brake is light years better than the Montessa set up I started with. One finger braking all day long! I use a early Bultaco rear hub that saves heaps of weight, but I reckon a Maico hub might be a bit stronger. At least the B50 has brakes to match the big thumping pommy lump of motor now :D
Got any pics , would love to see the bike .
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This was a B50 framed 500 Triumph at a recent Auckland CSC meeting , the owner was pedaling it along real well :)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200118296438537&set=a.4682991371130.1073741839.1784246570&type=1&theater
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Didn't some guys put Triumph engines into Greeves frames (Grumphs) for desert racing in the US?
The Triumph engined Greeves or Grumph as everyone called them were fairly common all over the motocross world in the late fifties and early sixties. They were also really popular in the USA desert and even as a cool cafe racer. The 500 unit Trumpy motor fitted in the Greeves frame with ease and the end result was possibly the first truly lightweight motocrosser. My old chum Frank Stanborough reckons they were one of the best handling bikes of the era which is what inspired him to build his 250 NSU four stroke powered Greeves....Green Sue (get it?). To me the only real downside of the Grumph conversion is that they're so plug ugly. I reckon one of these would make a bitchin' pre 60 class bike though using one of these 1959 Greeves Hawkestone models as a basis***.see bottom photo. dunger early frames often come up on UK eBay for low money.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2079/greeves-012_zps7955f8d6.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2079/greeves-012_zps7955f8d6.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2075/greeves-triumph-932x570_zps7645e9be.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2075/greeves-triumph-932x570_zps7645e9be.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2076/grumph2_zps4c454a15.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2076/grumph2_zps4c454a15.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2077/Grumph_zpsa854bc31.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2077/Grumph_zpsa854bc31.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2078/grumph-001_zps0b6aa59e.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2078/grumph-001_zps0b6aa59e.jpg.html)
*** (http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2080/Greeves_Hawkstone_59_zps0591bf6b.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2080/Greeves_Hawkstone_59_zps0591bf6b.jpg.html)
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What about one of these. http://www.maico.wulfsportinternational.com/gallery_disp.php?subaction=showfull&id=1270125105&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1& (http://www.maico.wulfsportinternational.com/gallery_disp.php?subaction=showfull&id=1270125105&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&)
Bill Brown should know better than to do that to a Maico
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Here's an updated version of Bill Browns Trico
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2083/Trico_zps7733c0d9.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2083/Trico_zps7733c0d9.jpg.html)
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The plan is to get the motor then worry about what to put it in after. Have to make sure the funds are there for the projects at hand.
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another Grumpy, a fast bike and winner of many races.
This photo taken in WA(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/Shed_Photos_026_zpsb0902b74.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/Shed_Photos_026_zpsb0902b74.jpg.html)
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Brad
500cc pre unit
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRIUMPH-PRE-UNIT-5T-MOTOR-MAY-SUIT-SPEEDTWIN-T-100/321244760406?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D2626311835261325078%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D321244760406%26
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Brad, spend more :P :P
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/simontwo_zpsa4d11cba.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/simontwo_zpsa4d11cba.jpg.html)
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I think pre 65 open is where I need to be with this as I don't have a bike for that class. Then ride it in another class till it's not competitive at club level, if you know what I mean.
I might have to make a submission to am to split the classic nats up. 6 bikes and 8 classes is getting out of hand. I didn't even get to race the rm125 at this years nats ;D
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this is what you want then
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251376764357?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
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Brad may be bring in vintage pit bike racing so you can race at lunch time lol
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Brad
500cc pre unit
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRIUMPH-PRE-UNIT-5T-MOTOR-MAY-SUIT-SPEEDTWIN-T-100/321244760406?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D2626311835261325078%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D321244760406%26
brad this engine s in the next suburb from me 2 minutes awaay
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TM Bill, I've got some photo's but I haven't got a photobucket account to upload them here. I should pull my finger out and get my pics onto a host ::)
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Brad....the big decision for you is not so much what you're putting the Trumpy in but which Triumph motor to use. The way I see it it's down to three distinctly different Trumpy motors, the pre unit 500, unit 500 and unit 650. I'd cancel out the pre unit engine (like the one VMX60 posted that's on eBay) for the need to find and adapt through plates a BSA or Norton gearbox. The end result is a rather large lump that needs a big engine cradle. The pre unit is also a 60 year old motor with 60 year old engineering that's just plain not as good as the unit engines in my opinion.
The 500 T100 unit motor is a good choice because its so comparatively small and adaptable as shown by the previous posts......it fits in a lot of places. The third choice is the 650 T120 unit construction engine which is decidedly larger than the 500 but the tradeoff is that its the horsepower king. In pre 65 it's arguably one of the best choices....most definitely the best twin cylinder engine. The American flat track guys have squeezed up to 75 bhp out of the 650/750 but for motocross stock is more than adequate.
If you've watched Vernon Grayson on his little Cheney 500 Triumph you'll know that the unit motor revs like all buggery and has rather 'modern' power characteristics and sound. For pre 65 you can use Cheney, Metisse, Mojo or even a B40 frame to make a TriBSA....the choices are infinite. The big 650 has the same Cheney/Rickman choices but you'll need a Goldy/A50/A65 BSA frame to make a TriBSA. In the end the engine choice is down to the light weight and revs of the 500 or the grunt and potential horsepower of the 650. I've got both engines in the shed and I'm still tossing around ideas as to what to do with them. Plan A is to fit the 500sc unit 500 in my Beeza C15 roller for a different than the norm pre 60 TriBSA but after I came back from the Nats for fun I stuck it into the Petite Metisse frame I'd intended to fit my oval Maico engine into for pre 65 and it looked pretty much at home so I'm a tad undecided now :-\. The 650 engine is destined for a chro-mo BSA replica frame I bought off eBay about 10 years ago that is now legal for pre 65. However, I'm soon to receive an Australian complianced Bonneville roller from a mate who's using its engine in a C&J so I might build it into a street tracker. The third choice is to fit it into my Trackmaster flat track frame for some flat track action but now that I've got the OW72, the third option is getting slimmer. I only mention my dilemma to show what choices owning a Triumph can evoke.
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Mark you left out the early duplex beeza frames in your list of possibles i.e. B33, Gold flash, etc. (probably a BIT heavy).
With 650 Triumphs vs. 500 engines I recall that our T100 - B33 duplex frame combo handled far superior to a Bonneville - duplex combo in the '68 Nepean 6hr. the dramatic power difference even being ridden by top line riders of the day couldn't compensate for the brute force combined with the weight.
The T100 duplex was such a pleasure to ride.
cheers pancho.
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Mark you left out the early duplex beeza frames in your list of possibles i.e. B33, Gold flash, etc. (probably a BIT heavy).
Goldy/A50/A65 BSA frame to make a TriBSA
Right Wally, I did leave a few duplex frames off the list...those early frames are more suited to the pre unit Triumph although they can be used for the unit. The later frames from the unit Beeza twin engines are lighter and better suited to the unit Trumpy. You're right, the Beeza duplex does handle better than a Trumpy and they're lighter. The Metisse and Cheney are pretty close to BSA duplex geometry...only much lighter ;D.
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Brad
500cc pre unit
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRIUMPH-PRE-UNIT-5T-MOTOR-MAY-SUIT-SPEEDTWIN-T-100/321244760406?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D2626311835261325078%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D321244760406%26
brad this engine s in the next suburb from me 2 minutes awaay
Thanks Paul.
I actually have one lined up already. What should I be paying for a complete basket case unit 500?
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I actually have one lined up already. What should I be paying for a complete basket case unit 500
Complete bike? $1000-$1500 but like all basket cases you can luck out and get one for $100....it's all down to how big a basket case it is. I paid $200 for my first unit 500 and spent over 2K on it, 10 years later I paid $500 for a similar engine from the same Fresno California seller but it's as fresh as a daisy and only needs gaskets and a clean up.
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i have a 650 bsa a65 pre65 project i am wanting to sell
jim
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PM me or ring me later with your price on the Beeza stuff Jimmy. I'm at the hospital right now.
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Just a motor in bits for $800.
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my pre65 race bike cost me 6500.00 landed its way too fast for me and riding it is like its on rails.hot triumph builds can be costly.wonder what its going to be like when its jetted properly
jim
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$800 seems like a reasonable price Brad if it is complete. A unit Trumpy motor is getting hard to find these days. If you need parts or want to try another source, try Bills Bits and Bikes in Birdwood SA. Last time I was there ( where I got my B44) he had a heap of T100 parts that he tried to sell me. There were heaps of parts (bottom ends, clutches, barrels, heads etc.) that he was going to sell me for $3k. I don't know if he still has the parts or not, but could be worth a try.
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$800 is a reasonable price for a T100 unit motor. I was lucky enough to come accidentally across a shed full of Triumph engines and parts behind Sumner Motorcycles old shop in Fresno back in 1996 where I got my worn out motor and a spare head for $200. When I was looking for another one back in 2006 I rang Wayne Sumner and found that he's sold all of the stash except for the one engine he's put aside for a B44GP Tribsa but had decided not to build the bike. It was fully rebuilt but never used and sat on a shelf for 10 years. I got it for $500. The best place I've found for parts is British Spares in NZ http://www.britishspares.com/ (http://www.britishspares.com/). USA eBay is pretty good too. Talk to Vern Grayson about tips and the name of the bloke who built his 500. I've ridden his bike and it's a rocket.
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A bloke by the name of Les Bowen in Colac Victoria is a real guru when it comes to the Trumpy motors. His bikes are rockets and ultra reliable. I wouldn't be suprised if it was Les who built Verns motor. I think they know each other very well from their younger days.
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I think the blokes name is Peter ???? from Brisbane who built Verns. Vernon recommended I get him to do mine but I lost the details.
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Peter Lucock,A65 guru too ,the black rat 8) (tar outfit),geezas all this fugging triumph talk,the tips will all fill up,the scrappies will be salvitating ;), :P
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Peter Lucock,A65 guru too ,the black rat 8)
That's him....
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Customer of mine has two Alpha1s for sale and one is fitted with a Triumph 500 ....that any good to you?
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CB500four Honda misses out fitting in a Rickman Zundapp frame by 17mm length ways, bugger >:(
Then again when have mouldy old details like that ever stopped fearless stupidity ;)
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Going for a look at a tribsa 8)
Hopefully on the weekend.
Sounds like it has lots of goodies on it. '62 650 motor I think.
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Brad proud of you
Darth vada
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brad
unit construction triumph 500/650 pre65
preunit ie gearbox seperate pre60
simple in the bsa a7/10 b31b33 frame that is
jim
pre65 triumph owner
pre65 bsa owner as well
pre60 ariel owner
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Fast Eddie Phipps Sydney based Ex Terry Gunter pre unit TriBSA
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2114/2013-02-16_70_zps09aaf396.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2114/2013-02-16_70_zps09aaf396.jpg.html)
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Here's a nice one showing the build parts..........http://www.maicomotorcycles.com/Tribsa.html (http://www.maicomotorcycles.com/Tribsa.html)
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Here's another nice TriBSA......
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2116/tribsahunt1_zps39b898d7.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2116/tribsahunt1_zps39b898d7.jpg.html)
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BSA A10 frame, Ariel swing arm. Made my own Matchless clutch & steel primary cover, center mount oil tank, fender stays, seat base, Ekins style exhaust pipes, footrests, alloy engine mounts. Tri conical hubs front and rear. 650 Triumph lower end, 500cc Triumph alloy top end BTH magnento
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Very nice indeed.
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No loud shirts on that one please Brad.
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(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2119/TriBSA_zpsf2d38d01.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2119/TriBSA_zpsf2d38d01.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2120/tribsa2_zpsbd683b7a.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2120/tribsa2_zpsbd683b7a.jpg.html)
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I know, I'm going a bit overboard but I'm enjoying posting these Triumph powered beasties. I'm a bit taken with this Trackmaster framed 650, especially seeing that I've already got 99% of the parts to build it sitting in my shed ;D........That's not to say I'm going to build something like it anytime soon, I've got enough projects on the hop right now.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2121/trackmastertriumph_zps341aa408.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2121/trackmastertriumph_zps341aa408.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2125/Triumph_MX_zps69085f53.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2125/Triumph_MX_zps69085f53.jpg.html)
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You'd have to get yourself one of those flipapino brides Firko if you built something like that.....there would 20 hours a week polishing to keep it shiney. How's the barista going?....has that injury inflicted upon you by that chinesse chinka footpeg healed yet?.....should have listened to me about those rubbish footpegs....you nearly lost a leg and you wheren't even riding it!!!!! ;D....imagine what could happen if you put weight on one?.
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The pegs are NOS KTM items ;D. I replaced the Chinese things the week before, the leg looks ugly but its healing pretty well. I've got seven nickel plated frames/bikes and have the polishing down to an art.....thanks for the Philipino suggestion though. The Barista is doing it very tough.....PM sent.
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Here's a Trackmaster Bonneville worth watching.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Bonneville-/200987994268?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Bonneville-/200987994268?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276)
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WoW. That trackmaster in your pic Firko is sex on wheels. Might just be a bit too pretty for a racer though!
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WoW. That trackmaster in your pic Firko is sex on wheels. Might just be a bit too pretty for a racer though
My Trackmaster frame isn't quite as pristine as the shiny one ::) but it is a pretty unique bit of kit, being one of only two built with the adjustable swingarm pivot. Because I'm not a fan of re-nickeling old frames I'll be experimenting with one of the newish "chrome" paint techniques that are available. This forum's SON is currently using my frame to set up a jig for his own unwelded 'kit' Trackmaster frame. I originally had a 650 Benelli motor in mine but since I've now sold that humungous lump I'll probably opt to fit my 650 Trumpy motor. Unfortunately the frame's invalid for pre 65, having been made in 1974........ or maybe it is legal, I don't quite follow the new frame provisions for pre 65.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/09-11-30-InfoAusTrackmaster4Benilli1_zps4903e2e8.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/09-11-30-InfoAusTrackmaster4Benilli1_zps4903e2e8.jpg.html)
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Here's one from left field...a Triumph unit 500 powered Kawasaki F21M. It puts the compact size of the T100 unit motor in perspective, slotting in where a 250 2 stroke usually sits.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/kawatrumpy_zps7aab0d9b.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/kawatrumpy_zps7aab0d9b.jpg.html)
Or this one fitted to a Sprite/American Eagle early frame.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/05May06-AmEagleTalon-Triumph1_zpsd155464a.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/05May06-AmEagleTalon-Triumph1_zpsd155464a.jpg.html)
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Well the hunt is over. The old boy took it to his as she's a bit ugly. Set up as a road trail bike with ugly guards. 650 pre unit with big bore kit ( zip kit?).
I never took a photo of it. Old mate has more triumphs than you can poke a stick at. With some bsa's, nortons and an Enfield here and there.
He owned a British bike shop in the us. I need a bigger/ better seat. Is there such a thing as am over the counter seat or base?
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Good one Brad. I was talking to a couple of blokes today who have been away from VMX since 1999 and one's building pre 65 (a Gold Star DB34 Metisse) and the other bloke a pre 60 (TriBSA). There is a lot of interest in resurrecting these old classes and it's more deep rooted than just a couple of threads on here talking it up. Pre 70 is going through a bit of a tune up as well. The classic classes are still the meat and potatoes of VMX and if the vibe at the Moto Park Nats is any indication, it will be for a long time yet. I can't wait to see the photos of your new bike mate. I love your old Dads enthusiasm ;D.
Here are some seats on Brit eBay. Perhaps our British friends (Ben, Grouty etc) can help with some leads. I'm interested in one myself. I specifically want an accessory Wassell scrambles seat.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIALS-SEAT-CLASSIC-TWIN-SHOCK-PRE-65-LIGHTWEIGHT-SEAT-GREEVES-COTTON-BSA-/380615940453?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item589e7a5965 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIALS-SEAT-CLASSIC-TWIN-SHOCK-PRE-65-LIGHTWEIGHT-SEAT-GREEVES-COTTON-BSA-/380615940453?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item589e7a5965)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-TWIN-SHOCK-STYLE-TRIALS-SEAT-IDEAL-PRE-1965-BSA-C15-B40-B44-GREEVES-ETC-/370891561385?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item565adc19a9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-TWIN-SHOCK-STYLE-TRIALS-SEAT-IDEAL-PRE-1965-BSA-C15-B40-B44-GREEVES-ETC-/370891561385?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item565adc19a9)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Trials-MX-Single-Seat-Twinshock-Pre65-project-brand-new-/231092144662?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item35ce2a4a16 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Trials-MX-Single-Seat-Twinshock-Pre65-project-brand-new-/231092144662?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item35ce2a4a16)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Motorcycle-Narrow-Trails-Seat-ideal-for-pre-65-trails-Bantam-Cub-/300840593729?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item460b7f2941 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Motorcycle-Narrow-Trails-Seat-ideal-for-pre-65-trails-Bantam-Cub-/300840593729?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item460b7f2941)
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I like the seat on the bitsa #50 bike.
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Welcome Brad, Darth Vada
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A very unusual big block Triumph...not Weber carb, Vern Grayson has one on his BSA 750 flat tracker and swears by it.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2133/trumpymotor_zps6b33bbd7.png) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2133/trumpymotor_zps6b33bbd7.png.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2134/trumpymotor1_zps3934227f.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2134/trumpymotor1_zps3934227f.jpg.html)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triumph-bonneville-unit-engine-750cc-Special-Race-triton-tribsa-magnesium-/390693662937?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5af72830d9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/triumph-bonneville-unit-engine-750cc-Special-Race-triton-tribsa-magnesium-/390693662937?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5af72830d9)
A very special unit construction 750cc triumph bonneville engine.
Bore 76mm Stroke 82mm.
Magnesium timing cover. Magnesium Clutch cover. Magnesium inlet manifold.
42mm Webber twin choke carb.
Joe Hunt magneto.
High Compression forged pistons.
Forged alloy conrods.
Anodised alloy timing gears.
Anodised aircraft alloy clutch drum and eng sprocket.
Forged alloy rockers on needle rollers.
Special oiling system with screw on oil filter.
Racing valves / springs.
Norris racing cams. R followers
Gasflowed head.
Lightened and balnced crank.
New unstamped crankcases.
New cylinder.
Plus used crankcase comes with engine.
This is a very special engine which will look great in any bike and go like hell.
Engine will be sold complete and rebuilt into the new crankcases.
Not cheap but a fraction of what it cost to build!!
Would take something interesting in Part Ex?
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I've come in a bit late on this thread, what is wrong with a 650 twin Yamaha it would be more reliable than a pommy bike and cheaper for parts. I'm sure they were around to be legal for pre75.
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Well the hunt is over. The old boy took it to his as she's a bit ugly. Set up as a road trail bike with ugly guards. 650 pre unit with big bore kit ( zip kit?).
I never took a photo of it. Old mate has more triumphs than you can poke a stick at. With some bsa's, nortons and an Enfield here and there.
He owned a British bike shop in the us. I need a bigger/ better seat. Is there such a thing as am over the counter seat or base?
Welcome to pommy land Brad ;) So you've gone the pre65 route huh? You will know you've been riding after racing the big beastie, no matter what frame you put it in.
WoW. That trackmaster in your pic Firko is sex on wheels. Might just be a bit too pretty for a racer though
My Trackmaster frame isn't quite as pristine as the shiny one ::) but it is a pretty unique bit of kit, being one of only two built with the adjustable swingarm pivot. Because I'm not a fan of re-nickeling old frames I'll be experimenting with one of the newish "chrome" paint techniques that are available. This forum's SON is currently using my frame to set up a jig for his own unwelded 'kit' Trackmaster frame. I originally had a 650 Benelli motor in mine but since I've now sold that humungous lump I'll probably opt to fit my 650 Trumpy motor. Unfortunately the frame's invalid for pre 65, having been made in 1974........ or maybe it is legal, I don't quite follow the new frame provisions for pre 65.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/09-11-30-InfoAusTrackmaster4Benilli1_zps4903e2e8.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/09-11-30-InfoAusTrackmaster4Benilli1_zps4903e2e8.jpg.html)
The Trackmaster is a very light looking frame Firko. It doesn't look capable of holding a big pommy lump even though we know they do. I guess there would have to be some serious head stays made up?
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then there is also this what I was going to build still have most of this before I got a yetman triumph 1 of 2 I know off in the world
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp221/jimg1au/A65MX-2_zps0cd8fa33.jpg) (http://s414.photobucket.com/user/jimg1au/media/A65MX-2_zps0cd8fa33.jpg.html)
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The Trackmaster is a very light looking frame Firko. It doesn't look capable of holding a big pommy lump even though we know they do. I guess there would have to be some serious head stays made up?
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2137/TrumpyFrame-Hdwr_zps82debfea.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2137/TrumpyFrame-Hdwr_zps82debfea.jpg.html)
As you can see from the above photo of a T140 Bonneville frame, the Trackmaster is based off the Triumph Bonneville concept and it's been around in the same basic design since Ray Hemsley started producing them in 1969. The Americans mostly used Triumph geometry for their aftermarket frames while the Brits (Metisse, Cheney) essentially used the BSA Gold Star frame for their layout inspiration. The Trackmaster is pretty light all right but I don't think it'll need any head stay support more than what's on it. My frame is made for an XS650 Yamaha as you can see from the head mount bracket mounting tabs and lack of 'oil in frame' provisions on the top rail....the Triumph doesn't have a head stay but I may use it if I can find somewhere to attach it to the Triumph engine. I'll use an oil tank on mine. The Trackmaster is essentially the flat track frame that started the whole lightweight aftermarket frame concept and you'll find that nearly all of the available period frames have the same, or very similar geometry even though their designs might be very different. Even though the Trackmaster was made for flat track, many were used for desert racing back when the Triumph ruled the desert. I'm not sure if I'll build mine for flat track or motocross......or as a street tracker. It's a couple of years away yet.
Below: the proper Triumph Trackmaster frame showing 'oil in frame' top frame rail.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2138/trumpytrackmaster_zps1d13edf9.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2138/trumpytrackmaster_zps1d13edf9.jpg.html)
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Thanks for the informative write up Mark. You've still got the knack when it comes to the facts on old beasts. I reckon you could find a couple of longer studs to replace the ones already in the centre of the head for the rocker covers. From there it should be easy enough to manufacture a decent head stay. I did just that on my B44 as I thought the original head stay was way too light and very agricultural in the way it only mounted to one side of the frame gusset and head stay/ decomp bracket. The original part wouldn't have held anything from bending as it only had 2 bolts, in effect making it a useless hinge.
I do like the OIF Trackmaster frame. Having the oil tank as part of the back bone would definitely stiffen the frame a whole heap and stop the back bone from bending during off road racing.
I would of loved to have been around when the Triumphs ruled the streets and deserts and '55 Chevy Nomads where cheap and easy to find. Even more so for the music and the girls wearing flared skirts, bobby socks and bowling shoes.... But that's another story!
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I've come in a bit late on this thread, what is wrong with a 650 twin Yamaha it would be more reliable than a pommy bike and cheaper for parts. I'm sure they were around to be legal for pre75.
Nothing wrong with the Yam motor :) but Brad was asking about what Triumph motor to use . A 2013 KTM 250 2T would in theory be more reliable and parts more available and cheaper but wheres the fun in that ;)
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I would of loved to have been around when the Triumphs ruled the streets and deserts and '55 Chevy Nomads where cheap and easy to find. Even more so for the music and the girls wearing flared skirts, bobby socks and bowling shoes.... But that's another story!
So would I. Even though I'm 64, I pretty much missed out on the Triumph era. While the cops still rode Triumphs at the time I got my drivers licence, the Honda 750 four was just about to change everything on the streets of the world. I started racing in 1969/70 and by then the two stroke had well and truly entrenched itself in motocross and was fast doing the same in dirt track. There were still the odd Tribsa, BSA or Metisse around but the CZ/Husky/Greeves/Bultaco era had really taken hold. I'd never thought much about owning a Brit thumper until I had my first ride on Jonesy's legendary Black Betty (OK, I know the engine's Czech but you get my drift) and the rest is history. Rides on his B50, CCM, Cheney Matchless and Weslake Metisse further convinced me that these things are as cool as penguin piss. It's hard to be a mate of Alan's and not get whipped up in a love of Brit dirt bikes and aftermarket framed things. I've caught a low res version of his disease ;D.
Was there ever a time when Chevy Nomads were cheap? I think they were considered classics the moment they left the dealers lot. The best looking station wagon ever 8). Sorry for the thread deviation but Nomads are cool
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2143/Nomad_zpsfc51ced8.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2143/Nomad_zpsfc51ced8.jpg.html)
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Triumph guys have the best pit tootsies.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2146/trumpytrophygirl_zps230e224c.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2146/trumpytrophygirl_zps230e224c.jpg.html)
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and those megaphones!!!!! as the young singer says "Hear me Roar!" :)
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where is the bike???
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where is the bike???
I forgot to take a photo Mike and dads about as tech savy as my dog.
He would have the guards off it already and would be tinkering right now I reckon.
I've come in a bit late on this thread, what is wrong with a 650 twin Yamaha it would be more reliable than a pommy bike and cheaper for parts. I'm sure they were around to be legal for pre75.
Nothing wrong with the Yam motor :) but Brad was asking about what Triumph motor to use . A 2013 KTM 250 2T would in theory be more reliable and parts more available and cheaper but wheres the fun in that ;)
that and the fact I'm looking at pre 65 as well.
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Was there ever a time when Chevy Nomads were cheap? I think they were considered classics the moment they left the dealers lot. The best looking station wagon ever 8). Sorry for the thread deviation but Nomads are cool
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2143/Nomad_zpsfc51ced8.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2143/Nomad_zpsfc51ced8.jpg.html)
Nothing wrong with your taste Firko ;D I don't know if the Nomad was ever cheap......But I imagine they would of been a hell of a lot cheaper (second hand) back in the 60's than what they are now.
I fell in love with british four strokes the moment I heard a B50 and Triumph Metisses at full song blasting down the straight. I had 2 Elsinores at the time and then when a mate gave me a ride on his B50....I just had to have one so the Elsinores found new homes. I realised the 2 smoker was not for me even though 1 of them had all the go fast bits from the day on it. I just love the torque factor involved with the big pommy four strokes. I did get a ride on a T100 Metisse and aboslutley loved the thing, even though it burnt the crap out of my calf....I didn't even know it until I got off the bike. I was having too much fun to feel the pain ??? Maybe if I trim the fleet of 14 bikes down by a few I can get me one of them there T100 Metisse's. The picture is in my head....sky blue, black motor with polished rockers and side covers, Morgo 570 kitted........just as well dreams are free!
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How's this for a sweet TriBSA
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2160/tribsashow1_zps919c4a31.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2160/tribsashow1_zps919c4a31.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2162/tribsashow_zpsf6d79f73.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2162/tribsashow_zpsf6d79f73.jpg.html)
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My dream Cheney Trumpy project to match my Yamaha version.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2163/chenettrumpy_zpsae9dfa94.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2163/chenettrumpy_zpsae9dfa94.jpg.html)
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Why settle for one Triumph 500? Here's two together... ;)
and yes those four straight out pipes played a gorgeous tune.
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/TwinEngineTriumph.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/TwinEngineTriumph.jpg.html)
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/TwinTwin_zpsca804422.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/TwinTwin_zpsca804422.jpg.html)
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My dream Cheney Trumpy project to match my Yamaha version.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2163/chenettrumpy_zpsae9dfa94.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2163/chenettrumpy_zpsae9dfa94.jpg.html)
Absolutely gorgeous bike! Anybody know where I can a set of these style side covers? I've been looking on evil bay for ages and only ever saw one set, made from alloy but with a bodgey looking bead around the edge.
There is no way known I would ever be throwing a leg over that twin motored sidecar Tim..... I always knew there was something not quite right about sidecar people ::)
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Those covers are genuine Cheney. I made my own for my Cheney, it was pretty easy actually as I've got a beading machine for the beased number section and I got a hot rodder mate to cut the louvers.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2169/CHENEY360FIRKO_zpse08488d9.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2169/CHENEY360FIRKO_zpse08488d9.jpg.html)
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Absolutely gorgeous bike! Anybody know where I can a set of these style side covers? I've been looking on evil bay for ages and only ever saw one set, made from alloy but with a bodgey looking bead around the edge.
Here you go ;)
http://www.holtworks.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d9_sidepanels.html
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Thanks Ola Martin..... Holtworks are very expensive though.
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Thanks Ola Martin..... Holtworks are very expensive though.
Or you could go to the original at http://www.cheneyracing.co.uk/ (http://www.cheneyracing.co.uk/). If you can manoeuvre through one of the worst website designs in cyberspace to find what you want, you'll find that there are no prices listed. Then after you send Simon an email asking him about whatever it is you want, you'll grow into a bitter old man waiting for a reply. But, if you do manage to get through to him and actually order, you'll pay through the arse, wait for months for the parts to arrive and then find he's either sent you wrong or badly made, unfinished parts...or both as was my case. I'd sent him precise measurements of my frame to make sure I was sent the correct side panels but what eventually arrived was two flat sheets of aluminium with the layout laid out in felt tip pen and a message written on them for me to cut them myself as he wasn't sure of the right shape. No number beading, no louvers...nothing...but he still charged me for the finished product. When I complained I never got a reply, and phonecalls went unanswered.
That was my experience, yours may be different.
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Here's one of the UK's more famous TriBSA's, the John Hobbs TriBSA Classic Bike magazine cover bike. That issue gives good detail on building the bike.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2170/HobbsTribsa_zps3ba7358b.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2170/HobbsTribsa_zps3ba7358b.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2172/tribsahobbs_zpsb64f0dc1.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2172/tribsahobbs_zpsb64f0dc1.jpg.html)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-BIKE-MAGAZINE-February-1991-/110951253451 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-BIKE-MAGAZINE-February-1991-/110951253451)
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have been to simons shop and as Firko says unfortunatly Simon seems to be a chip off the old block,just like Eric dont know how the business has lasted
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Thanks Ola Martin..... Holtworks are very expensive though.
I think the cost is relative , i dont have the skill or equipment to make products as good as what they sell so i am happy to pay for them :)
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Thanks Ola Martin..... Holtworks are very expensive though.
I just spent half an hour going through the Holtworks website and they certainly make some tasty stuff. I agree with Bill that if you want the best you couldn't go past this stuff. I don't think it's that expensive when you consider the amount of work that goes into the panels and tanks. I'll be shopping there when I start looking for bits for my Tribsa.
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Holtworks do have a lot of very tasty morsels all made to great quality. I guess I'm just a tight arse ::) I think that comes from doing most of my own fabrication work and knowing how easy (relatively) it would be to knock up a set of side covers if I had a bead roller.... I think I will buy the holtworks covers as buying a decent bead roller can't be justified for the work it will do.
I don't reckon I'll be going to cheney any time soon.....I get really pissed orf when I get ripped orf.... Thanks for the advice you lot. Now back to the thread......
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Here's Brad's new pre 65 TriBSA, a good looker that'll look even better with a tidy up. The stuff's still out there folks. You just have to dig it out 8). With the Brad on board it's got pointy end potential and with a fork and front wheel change it'll be more than competitive in pre 60.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Bradstribsa_zps8a35b439.jpeg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/Bradstribsa_zps8a35b439.jpeg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/bradtribsa2_zps37be4f9b.jpeg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/bradtribsa2_zps37be4f9b.jpeg.html)
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Holtworks do have a lot of very tasty morsels all made to great quality. I guess I'm just a tight arse ::) I think that comes from doing most of my own fabrication work and knowing how easy (relatively) it would be to knock up a set of side covers if I had a bead roller.... I think I will buy the holtworks covers as buying a decent bead roller can't be justified for the work it will do.
I don't reckon I'll be going to cheney any time soon.....I get really pissed orf when I get ripped orf.... Thanks for the advice you lot. Now back to the thread......
A lot of my mates get wound up about the price of fuel , I don't really consider it as if I did I would probably get all bitter and twisted ;D
I consider the alternative , dig a hole in my back yard and hope I strike oil , then build a refinery to refine the crude oil . That all seems a lot of effort and I need fuel every day so I pay what price the current market dictates :)
I outsource my blasting , painting, powder coating, zincing , Ali welding and machining , I will probably eventually buy myself a lathe and a mill and maybe update the compressor and get a decent blast cabinet . I have not done any lathe or milling work since trade school 35 yrs ago but would enjoy having a play ( its more about the satisfaction of doing it myself rather than saving a quid though )
Brads beast looks the goods :) never thought in a million yrs Brad would be seen on one of those what's he call them ? oil drippers ;D ;D ;D
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How good is life when even Brad can be inticed to the dark side
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Another music maker on the start line.....sweet. Looks like someone had fun bastardising the old beast though. It needs some help at the moment.
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These Brit mongrels are very cool. Aussie VMX is a good deal different than we have here in the USA. Pre 75 is dying a slow death here while you are still building pre60 stuff. I commend your efforts.
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Here's a nice Tribsa......not. It's Gus Priems almost fifties period perfect XS650 Yamaha. You could be forgiven for thinking the photo had been taken in the mid fifties instead of 40 years later.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Gusyamaha_zpsc5b33318.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/Gusyamaha_zpsc5b33318.jpg.html)
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Cant wait to get out on it! ;D
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Here's a nice Tribsa......not. It's Gus Priems almost fifties period perfect XS650 Yamaha. You could be forgiven for thinking the photo had been taken in the mid fifties instead of 40 years later.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Gusyamaha_zpsc5b33318.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/Gusyamaha_zpsc5b33318.jpg.html)
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That is sweet, and clever.
Be nice with some enduro lights on it to ride to the shops.