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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rosco400 on May 15, 2008, 09:38:07 pm
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Looking in my shed and start to think am i a horder, then look at shed pics and reckon ive got nothing on lots of you guys, No Braggin, no names, just an end result of percentages, then i can use it in discussion with the cook when i want to bring in a new bike,
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I'm not sure if I'm a reformed hoader, a reforming hoader, or if I'm in decline but with good intentions :D ;D.
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I am with MX250. gone are the 40+ machines days, a dozen is enough......... But shit why did I bloody well give so many away??? could have sold them to finance new projects... no that is just hoarding again...What is loopy ??::)
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31 bikes/projects here, plus some extra parts bikes/wrecks.
Two of the 31 belong to Anna, so that makes me a little less unwell, doesn't it?
And five of them are moderns, so they don't really count, do they?
Plus most of a PW50 for our unborn son... :D
So, let me see - three of us own bikes, and there's 32 bikes here, so that averages out at less then ten bikes each... which isn't that weird, is it?
FWIW, I possess five pre-78 125s, and four Evo 125s...
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My son and I,just for a laugh thought we'd do a head count after we had loaded up for CD5, (we took nine there)
We came up with a nice rounded 42( including the CD nine).These included,moderns, complete bikes, rollers,frames etc that could be made into bikes.
Sold one last week and a couple more dungers to go soon.
Its not really hoarding,just think of it as having the necessary parts back up required!!
Rosco,as you know we have both taken large amounts of liquid "Medication" to try and overcome this sickness, but when doing it with other addicts it just seems to make things worse.
As to your problem,maybe a biiiiiggggger shed could be required to help blend in the numbers or offsite storage.Outa sight outa mind.
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Ive always have known youve been sick / demented but even I think youve got a problem, no wait im editing this poll
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i top out around 10 with only 4 of them in rideable condition, the rest are on the list and will happen over time with a preference for pre-75 but i feel i need an evo bike just to give me some more options.
funny thing for me is, when i started all this "old bike" stuff, the mates would bag the crap out of me at each opportunity. now they come and ask me about what bike was when and seem to be taking a bit more interest as they drop the odd comment like, "yeah, i wouldn't mind one meself"
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i when i started all this "old bike" stuff, the mates would bag the crap out of me at each opportunity. now they come and ask me about what bike was when and seem to be taking a bit more interest as they drop the odd comment like, "yeah, i wouldn't mind one meself"
Funny That :D
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i top out around 10 with only 4 of them in rideable condition, the rest are on the list and will happen over time with a preference for pre-75 but i feel i need an evo bike just to give me some more options.
funny thing for me is, when i started all this "old bike" stuff, the mates would bag the crap out of me at each opportunity. now they come and ask me about what bike was when and seem to be taking a bit more interest as they drop the odd comment like, "yeah, i wouldn't mind one meself"
de ja vu
but somewhere in there the third wheel go added ;D
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I had a big cull in about 1999 and sold off five restored Maicos a couple of CZs a '79 Honda 250 and a couple of KTMs.
Because I rarely race any more I figured I'd go more for quality rather than quantity and to only have bikes that mean something to me, to hell with fashion. The collection is pretty basic these days and constitutes six going bikes bikes and six projects.
I've sold my modern bikes but I'll be buying a new one later in the year when my get fit campaign finally gets me down close to my desired weight.
The projects are growing though. At the moment I've got the Hindall Ducati to finish, Cheney Yamaha (finally in Australia and here next week), '73 250 CZ, reassembling the DT1 from Hell, and building a new Honcho pitbike. Waiting in the wings is a Trackmaster Benelli 650, '64 Cotton Cobra my other 350 Maico and a yet to be decided Vinduro project.
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We are lucky to have lots of bikes and most are the superior brand .(Husqvarna)
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Hey Husky61 and all other "one type only, retentive destroy all else " collectors Personally I have had lots of brands and have found that I have enjoyed the differences, Also every forking brand has both sugar and shit, superior and inferior all mixed in their make up. Go out and find a different treasure totally non whatever you short sighted passion is, or try fitting a totally different power plant in one of your wasted spare dunger rollers.
Strange as may seem more interest will fall on you favoured collection by others and that produces more leads for bikes and bits. Cheers Tim
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Hey Rob,
Havent you been playing with HL's and Maicos more recently ::)
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Tim I agree. The blinkered one make collectors are missing out on so much variety and education. I was one of those one make type of blokes but once I opened up to anything I started to enjoy my hobby so much more. I wouldn't mind so much if those single make fans wouldn't find so much joy in criticizing other peoples bike choices and blindly defending even the shit products from their chosen factory. Having said that, Husky 61 has a varied and interesting collection despite a weird Husky fetish ;D
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I am hoarder of shocks and springs now ;D, ( I confess to be a single brand hoarder ;D)but I used to hoard to many bikes until I realised , I can only ride one at the time and the rest of them needed still to be maintained. ???
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One project 125 70% done, one parts bike, but the bug has bitten and now I'm looking for a pre 80 250 project, and possibly a pre 85 125.
My main criteria is whether they could be ridden in different classes on the one day to maximise my chance of falling off ;D.
It's funny, I started off thinking that late 70's early 80's bikes were my preferred style/era of bike, but the more you're around the different makes and models the more you start to appreciate them. My ideal threesome (no jokes please) would be the '79 YZ125 I'm working on, a '79 RM250, and an '84 KX125. There are certain bikes that don't appeal to me, but they're across every brand.
One thing I will say, and I don't want to piss anyone off, is that if you do have 50 bikes, and limited funds to complete them, don't let the bloody things rot. Let someone else have a go, and have some fun with it. Having fixed up old cars, nothing is more frustrating than finding someone with a zillion projects slowly turning into rust and refusing to part with them because they're going to get around to them "one day"
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I too started with the familiar which were Hondas except for the 490 Maico which was a revelation to me.
I 'spose the Maico made me consider other makes and now have all four jap bikes represented as well as three euros . I find them all 'cool' , especially the cz's at the moment!
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Hi my names Andrew and i'm a hoarder, Ive got as many bikes as i can afford and fit in my shed .If i had a bigger shed and didnt spend all my money on bikes i would buy more bikes .??? Coz i can. As for my preference's of the 2 wheeled kind i'm a yamaha man ,just like my football team, Fords when i pick a side i stick with it . Good,bad & ugly. Although i do have a honda and a suzuki in the stable. I just like bikes.
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people you are aware, that there is professional help if you need it. ;)
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Yes VMX 247 , I have tought about ringing Sims Metalls to end it all . ;D
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Hi - my names Tony and I am a Yamaholic :-[. I have 6 YZ's at the moment and still need 2 to complete the collection (100H and 465H). 1 runner, 2 projects underway and collecting parts for the others as I go. I am continually working on them, only funds limit progress, so I don't consider myself one of those folks you are talking about ::).
I have 3 hondas as well - a '99 Fireblade, a mower and a whipper snipper ;D ;D
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walter this is sims metal victoria 0411607302 ring and they (we) will oranize a truck to pick up your scrap metal
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I will keep it in mind ,when I have a bad day again . ;D
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Yeh Rossco
We had Maico's before all the others we are lucky to have and still do have a couple , and we also have honda's , kawasaki . yamaha, husky with honda motor,HL with Yamaha motor a suzuki and the big man rollo vver on this admission, some posties on the property, but there just something special about the Husky(hold the disparaging comments you comedians)that does it for me. Clean lines and superior performance.
Retentive and destroy all else , no Timmy only side cars as they are a health hazard. There are health professionals that can treat you Timmy. Perhaps some shock treatment may get you back on two wheels , if you prctice enough you will eventually drop the side trainer wheel.
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Husky61, I think you are standing on thin ice when you speak of three wheeled bikes in this way(above post).Do remember this is a free country to ride what we wish.
I can say we have had more injuries with two wheels in our family than three.
then again we might also get hit by a bus tomorrow.
please becareful of what you write about.
cheers
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All tongue in cheek 247.you 3 wheelers are so sensitive , Barsby i feel for ya brother and there is only one fix .A trip to the nearest wreckers and a trawl through there old fork stack and finding a set of YZ250H forks just what i needed .AAAaaarrrggghhh i'm better now ,i just hope it lasts all week .
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You are all pretenders. The World Hoarding Champion is a well known Euchareena sheep farmer/seat upholsterer/fibreglass parts manufacturer who has literally hundreds of Bultacos stored in various barns on the property. When he entered the vintage scene in the late 80s he had one Husky only. The Bultaco collection has grown since then. Many of us have been to the property and viewed the phenonemon and we've all walked away in amazement. There is every known Bultaco including a couple of rare Banditos,M11 Pursangs and a MK13 Pursang or two. Unfortunately he won't sell any of the bikes and there aren't enough years left in his life to restore all of them.
In recent times our hoarder has become disenchanted with our sport and its participants because he percieves an anti Bultaco sentiment within the sport. He's now venturing into jet boat racing. That doesn't mean that he's selling up, freeing hundreds of Bultacos back onto the market. Nosiree! He's keeping them.
And to think I copped a shitload from el Presidente of Club Bultaco for hinting that there may be an underbelly of eccentricity within the Bultaco movement. How stupid of me.
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Hilly
That was a top find mate 8)
Don't suppose they had any 465H carcases ::) Keep an eye out for 2 - I know you are looking for one too ;)
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he will either be buried on the property with all those bike and thats a pity !!! or the family will be left with the task of looking after them so i dare say they will be avail again one day for the furture men reliveing there youth that will be involed with the sport ;)
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Paul dont forget , he could take it all to Sims metall before he dies. ;D
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I do believe I hooked a Husky Fish.... :D ;) Collect whatever and enjoy !!!! just don't let them rot when you get pissed off like the unnamed person Firko comments on above ( Tis sad and a shitfull waste, I have been looking for a Bulty for awhile now.. :( . Love to ride solos and sidecars all types and sizes ;D, problem is my body is now somewhat fragile >:( .
RIGHT here is my true feelings so please try to understand this, To hoard is OK !!! but how about being far happier to share stuff you will not need as keeps like minded friends and out there with you having fun and relaxing too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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One project 125 70% done, one parts bike, but the bug has bitten and now I'm looking for a pre 80 250 project, and possibly a pre 85 125.
My main criteria is whether they could be ridden in different classes on the one day to maximise my chance of falling off ;D.
It's funny, I started off thinking that late 70's early 80's bikes were my preferred style/era of bike, but the more you're around the different makes and models the more you start to appreciate them. My ideal threesome (no jokes please) would be the '79 YZ125 I'm working on, a '79 RM250, and an '84 KX125. There are certain bikes that don't appeal to me, but they're across every brand.
One thing I will say, and I don't want to piss anyone off, is that if you do have 50 bikes, and limited funds to complete them, don't let the bloody things rot. Let someone else have a go, and have some fun with it. Having fixed up old cars, nothing is more frustrating than finding someone with a zillion projects slowly turning into rust and refusing to part with them because they're going to get around to them "one day"
How many do you want :) ill take money order or Paypal ;)
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I do believe you've got an RM370B with my name on it Bill ;) ;D ;D ;D
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TM Bill, can you fit a '79 Rm250 in a smallish box and send it over?
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an' a TS90MX! I'll send a suitcase ;D
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an' a TS90MX! I'll send a suitcase ;D
Chris mate its yours :) all it will cost you is a ticket to NZ to check its what you want and postage back home ;D
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I do believe you've got an RM370B with my name on it Bill ;) ;D ;D ;D
Tony Mate wots your number ? so i can put it on for your NZ race bike ;D
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Bill - I'm so new to this stuff I don't even have one yet :-[ :-[
Maybe I should start a thread asking for suggestions ::)
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I will have to show the wife this post! She thinks I have way too many bikes and keeps telling me to sell smost of them.
Over the past 2 years I have cut back from 53 bikes or remains there of to a managable 33. Even having a 22 x 9 metre shed wasn't bike enough to fit the collection in and and have room to work on them. Plus with the big 50 aproaching I came to the conclusion that I would never do anything with some of the dozen plus 1960's Honda dreans that were piled in the corner of the shed. Mind you I still kept 3 of the dreams.
CJ
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Why is it a problem to store a bike in a safe warm enviroment like this??!!
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/zorroz/rm.jpg)
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If I did that, the bikes would not be the only thing living in the shed!!
CJ
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Guys there is no such thing as a VMX bike Hoarder.... they are the good guys, I call them;.. "The VMX Insurance Plan".... without them who knows what sort of riff ruff would be turning up at VMX meetings, running amuck, and dropping the value of our bikes. If it was that easy to find a bike and parts then where would we be, lost in a mountain of old dirtbikes and having to deal with average Joe Assholes. No, VMX isnt for everyone and thats the way it should stay. Only the good guys need apply, and if they are dedicated enough they will join the VMX family because obviously there liking of old bikes will prevail.
Long live the "VMX Insurance Plan" ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Bit off topic I know but,
I can't believe that there aren't people getting into the more exotic stuff of the era. If I didn't have a shed full of M stuff I'd have one of those Itallion things tommorow. There must be heaps of stuff for 'em floating around in Europe. Just because they weren't popular here doesn't mean they weren't in other places. Go to an Evo event and it's a sea of yellow, white and red. At least the Kawa's are thin on the ground so you'll take your time to look at one. The rest.....YAWN! I love seeing 555's bike on the line at Viper meetings (EMS CZ thing). It's rare, exotic and fuggin' fast.
Surely with the money people pour into owning every model RM ever made, couldn't they put a bit into a lovely SWM or something similar, spend a bit of time actually doing a bit of home work looking for the bits and assembling said beast? You'll get a greater sense of achievment and pats on the back than owning something that looks little like what it started out as and more like something your sons probably riding!
I think if I see one more blinged up Red Devil, RM 400N or RM 400N I'm gunna rodger my own dog.......
Each to there own thats the beauty of vmx. I like suzuki you like maico if we all had the same bikes the world would be boring. If I could find an Italian bike I would own one in a heart beat. Know of any for sale??
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I'm gunna rodger my own dog.......
:o ::) :o
ROFL :D :D :D
Poor Clarance
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i like the way you put it into words DJ,
got my nest egg happening in the shed right now actually...
on the fetish side of things, i love the exotica stuff but must admidt a real liking for converted trailbikes.
it was something i believe happened back in the day and still survives in healthy doses today.
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Having sold my YZ465 because it was faster than my 56 year old reflexes can handle I've reverted back to the bikes that I cut my teeth on. I'm currently waiting for the Faber frame to arrive from the UK for my BSA B44, and have a DT1 and black tank RT1s also underway. There's also a CZ 380, Bully Sherpa T and a Montesa Impala powered 1966 Bully Sherpa S basket case waiting for their time.
While I agree with 414 that there isn't enough adventure among the VMX fraternity in their resto choices, at least they are doing it and are a part of the movement. I'd like to think that the guys who restore the safe bikes will, like me eventually venture on to something more challenging and different. The one make only guys are indeed missing out on a great learning curve restoring something they previously knew bugger all about. Look at 090 and his recent CZ awakening and the huge cross section of bikes in the Kevlar Kompound at CD5 to understand that there is more to our great pastime than sticking to the CR/YZ/RM easy bikes. Just my 2 bobs worth.
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AJS
Alfer
Ancillotti
Aprilia
Ariel
ATK
Benelli
Beta
BMW
BSA
Bultaco
Cagiva
Can-Am
Cannondale
CCM
Cooper
CZ
D-Rad
Dalesman
Derbi
DKW
Fanatic
FN
Gas Gas
GileraHarley Davidson
Hedlund
Hercules
Hiro
Hodaka
Honda
Horex
Husaberg
Husqvarna
IMZ
Indian
IZh
Jawa
Kawasaki
Kramit
KTM
L
LemLito
Maico/MStar
Malaguti
Matchless
Mazzilli
Monark
Montesa
Nauder
Norton
NSU
Ossa
Penton
PMZ
Praga
Puch
Rickman
Rokon
Rotax
Sachs
Sokol
Standard
Suzuki
SWM
TGM
TIZ
TM
Triumph
Velocette
Vertemati
Victoria
VOR
Yamaha
Zündapp .......when I growd up I gonna own one of each ;D
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Wheres Wasp, EML, SPP, Hagon etc ??? :D and why you got some of the above twice? only half as good??? :D :D :D :D
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I happen to luv sitting on the start line watching RM's getting pushed up and down the pits , Not everyone wants to own a cosmipolitan ,stands out like dogs balls piece of exotica that you have to learn spanish to obtain parts for . I quite like my old common as mud YZ's and after young Doddy gave my YZ a workout it was good to hear that he was impressed with the old banger . So it's back into the shed to see what tweaks i can do to continue the evolution the mighty YZ400E. To me thats what it's about .Personalizing your own ride whatever colour it is . Ouch for clarence.
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There's heaps of reasons for avoiding the non-mainstream bikes. One or more of the following applies to every non-mainstream old dirt bike I can think of:
1. More expensive.
2. Hard to find the bike.
3. Hard to get parts.
4. They weren't any good in the first place.
5. You generally need to be part of the 'inner circle' to get bits/information*.
6. Etc.
Obviously, everyone has different priorities - but if you're building a race bike, then you'd start with the best bike for your budget (inc ongoing runing costs).
Garage Queens generally seem to be built based on either the owner's personal history or what's the Bling Thing at the time.
*Which is not to say that its hard to break into the highly secretive AT1 Owner's Group :D, but that your life which be much harder if you don't.
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There's heaps of reasons for avoiding the non-mainstream bikes. One or more of the following applies to every non-mainstream old dirt bike I can think of:
1. More expensive.
2. Hard to find the bike.
3. Hard to get parts.
4. They weren't any good in the first place.
5. You generally need to be part of the 'inner circle' to get bits/information*.
6. Etc.
Obviously, everyone has different priorities - but if you're building a race bike, then you'd start with the best bike for your budget (inc ongoing runing costs).
Garage Queens generally seem to be built based on either the owner's personal history or what's the Bling Thing at the time.
*Which is not to say that its hard to break into the highly secretive AT1 Owner's Group :D, but that your life which be much harder if you don't.
Hear hear Nathan good on ya Boy
I cant believe im hearing forking snobbery in VMX its forking bullshit >:(
Personally i like and own various different marques , I particulary like Suzukis because
A they are a good all round race bike
B I raced them when they were new
C Yes they are easy to get parts for and easy to work on ( i will save my efforts to try and improve my riding )
Over 30 plus years with dirt bikes I have owned and raced Euro bikes and British bikes and i can appreciate the good and bad in them all Suzukis included
In all my years of racing i was only ever an average B grader but i have never been passed by a forking Montossa , until recently i owned a Cota trials bike , great little bike and was capable of far more in a trials enviroment than i ever will be.
Iv'e got an Italian Missus who shares my apprecition of all things with 2 wheels and a motor regardless of where there built so get off the high horse and live and let live :)
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i think lots of us get the bikes we had or wanted but didnt get and thats what im doing ,i was a big suzuki fan in the mid to late 70s and a honda fan in the early 80s and that reflects in my collection its not about being diffrent for me it . is about me and the bikes i liked and wanted and had .im doing 8 bikes at the moment and i have 15 and im picking up two this weekend , and as for being hard i do all my own work every thing even hand strip the frames the only thing i dont do is rebores that makes it harder . i love to hear about other guys bikes and what and how they are doing to them so keep workin on those bikes , enjoy while we are still alive to fix them , ride them we are the lucky guys doing what we want every week ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i only go for jap bikes because they were the ones that my slightly better off mates had when i wuz a lustful teenager so i drooled over them bigtime (and so need to get now).
i also drooled over pics of husky's and the likes in magazines and at mister motocross races at amaroo park, but they were at one remove (ie, i had no hope....). so i just plain don't relate to them quite as much. blame it on mass production.
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In reply to Nathans points:
I: It's a broad statement to state that non manistream bikes are more expensive. I recently bought a basket case CZ for $500 and my mate Jonsey recently bought a 125 Wassel for $250. Some bikes are expensive (490 Maico) and others are cheap as chips (DT1 Yamahas). The same could be said about the mainstream bikes as well. Have you priced parts for a '79 Honda CR250 lately, or tried to buy parts for late 70s Kawasakis?
2: Sure the bikes are harder to find but I like the notion that the hunt is an integral part of the joy of old bikes. Without getting into another heated debate on this, 411 is right, the bikes are definitely out there just waiting to be found.
3: Parts for Bultaco, Montesa, Maico, CZ and others are not only freely available from a number of sources, they are often much cheaper than the Japanese equivalent. Don't believe me? check around.
4:Saying that they were'nt very good in the first place is another very broad statement. During the 1970-1980 era there were very few Japanese bikes that were even remotely competitive with the European makes. When I moved from an RT1 Yamaha to a 350 Maico in 1970 it was like climbing out of a Corolla and into a Carrera. The world of motocross was a different place prior to the Japs getting their act together and it was full of bikes winning races that are considered left of centre today.
5: Inner Circle? Just what is that? Every brand of bike whether it be mainstream or not has its group of enthusiasts that by the nature of their bikes tend to congregate and swap ideas, parts and information. The Suzuki swarm that frequent this very forum and who gang together at races and CD5 is a mainstream inner circle. If you bought a CZ you would eventually end up hanging out with other CZ folks, bet on it. I'll bet you hang with the Volvo guys in the Rally scene and use the information learned from other Volvo racers. We are all a part of some "inner circle" or the other.
I have seven different brands of bike and it has opened my view on this sport. Back in the early days of vintage I was a purely Maico punter with only a small general interest in other makes. I then built my DT1 and then a Champion Honda and before long I found myself venturing into previously unchartered waters. I soon bought a couple of CZs and built a couple of engine swap bikes, built the project TM/TS 250 Suzuki. Without really thinking about it I became much more interested in other peoples bikes, especially the left field stuff and saw that one of the advantages of VMX as opposed to other diciplines was the huge variety at our disposal. I gained a new respect for the bloke who dared to try something different. That difference in their bike choice has made the sport a much more interesting and varied place.
Like 414, I too hold no disrespect for any person or their bike choice. I'd just like to see more people see more variety. I don't see any snobbery Bill, not from any of my group of vintage mates anyway. I do however see a lot of bias against particular bikes and that pisses me off. I never criticize any brand of bike despite what that Bultaco club wanker el Presidente says. There is no difference between my TS90 pit bike project and Black Betty except the money spent on them. The passion involved in building either bike is the same.
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Just Enjoy ;)
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I've got bikes that have a connection to the past and I class as easy to restore and maintain.
5 XT500's mean a common spare parts stock and easy knowledge as to what makes them tick. Funny thing is that as a youngster I always wanted one but never owned one.
My other choice is Suzuki TM 125's I had one for a few years and ended up fitting a 185 motor. Now I have two, one will be standard to race and one with a 185 for Vinduro and maybe pre 75 250 VMX.
I've always thought of Euro bikes as being difficult to find bits for but as Firko pointed out the stuff is there and once you own one and get into the circle so to speak it gets easy
As for projects my KTonda (XR200 powered KTM) came about as I had the bits and it seemed like a good idea. Now the realities of having and potentially running 9 motorcycles starts to hit home. That's a lot of tyres, chains, grips, levers plus the work to keep them all going. I don't know about you guys but I find it difficult to get the time I'd like to spend on my bikes, on the bright side though, the projects I have will last a long time with minimal further expense, hopefully!
Brent
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Well i took 414's advice and went out and got a exotic XR250 for my boys . I looked at some sexy euro models but to me there like the babe on the beach in a G string and the huge boobs . They look fantastic but expensive to ride and needy ,so the XR will fit the bill it,s not pretty and needs work but it met my criteria it was cheap .yeehah .
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I wasn't trying to stir anyone up... :o
Look, the list was prefaced with "one or more of the following will apply". It was meant to be a general statement, not a criticism of any particular type of bike - I can't think of a single bike where ALL of my possible points apply.
I mean, if one bike was cheap, readily available, reliable, easy to get bits for, and made a good race bike, then we'd all be racing 'em!
So we all compromise in our choices - and when it comes to race bikes, most people make compromises that lean toward making life easier - stuff like parts availability and competitiveness rate highly.
And that's why we see seas of YZs, CRs and RMs.
Personally, I'd love to own and race a Phantom, a YZ250A, any number of different Montesas, a Cooper, an AT1MX, and several other non-mainstream bikes that you rarely see at the races, but they all fall down one one or more of the points I listed.
Away from the VMX racing scene, there's even more stuff I'd love to own, but don't... Even once competitiveness is taken out of the equation, one or more of my 6 reasons puts a stop to it...
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Very interesting results % wise so far, will lock off at 100, now thinking to myself are most of you in the keep collecting stage or culling out excess bikes,(wont run a poll on that one :D) but its a very even result across the board, strange that 80+ voters and only 1 person has one bike, 2 have excess of +42, that is interesting result in its own right ;)
Doesnt really matter who rides what or collects what, as long as they are out and about getting used at local meetings, its all good 8)
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That they weren't any good in the first place!? That's a really big statement. So anything that wasn't mainstream when you were around (??), "wasn't any good in the first place"??
Settle petal.
That's NOT what I said, either time.
Lots of good bikes weren't mainstream even when new because they were too expensive, too hard to get hold of, had bad reputations (which may, or may-not have been deserved, particularly in hindsight), or people simply didn't know they existed/were available.
Like I said before, if a bike was cheap, fast, reliable and easy to get bits for, then everyone would own one - and that applies equally when bikes were new too. The closest a bike goes to meeting that criteria (that I can think of) is the 125 Elsinore - and surprise, surprise they were everywhere back in the day, and are everywhere in VMX nowdays.
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I looked at some sexy euro models but to me there like the babe on the beach in a G string and the huge boobs . They look fantastic but expensive to ride and needy
Yeah...I'm not convinced Hilly...I can't see a downside!
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yay - i win the poll! (only one with one bike).
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Like i said wombat ,nice to look at but needy.
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Like i said wombat ,nice to look at but needy.
Yes, 'needy' indeed Hilly...but if she asked nicely, who would be so strong as to deny her?
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I would be lookin around for the spy camera's coz it's would be a set up .Then put on a top show for the camera
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I am prepared to do some free maintainance and tuining on her first ;D
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I would be lookin around for the spy camera's coz it's would be a set up .Then put on a top show for the camera
8 second mini series :D
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she looks roadworthy to me now i.ll put some miles on her ;)
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Sorry Pet. You wrote it, twice.......
And apparently you've read it out of context, three times.... :)
T&S, we need to talk... only one bike? Are you some sort of weirdo? ;D
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I'm a motorcycle caretaker who is providing a service to the motorcycle community. I buy old bikes because I feel sorry for them. I take them home ride them around the paddock. Asses what they need . Then park them in the shed like lost orphans. Then when I bring home one to many (Or the missus says "This is getting out of hand") (Usually the later.) I release some to loving parents who will restore them to their rightful glory. Which brings much peace to my household, refinances my money box and makes room for more orphans.
I find this a much nicer analogy than just being a simple HOARDER.
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Why is it a problem to store a bike in a safe warm enviroment like this??!!
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/zorroz/rm.jpg)