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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: BAHNZY on May 22, 2013, 10:04:19 pm
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Watched a video of the highlights from Broadford Aussie MX title event last weekend. Having ridden the track more times than I wish to recall under various climatic conditions, I didn't even recognise the track in the video as actually being Broadford, I actually had to check that it was Broadford in Victoria, not somewhere else in Australia.
What happened? Did it rain for days on end in the lead up to the event or something? I've never seen anything like that before.
http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/05/20/moss-claims-win-at-broadford-highlights (http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/05/20/moss-claims-win-at-broadford-highlights)
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Typical of many modern meetings where they water the shite out of the track overnight and turn it into a mud meeting then a one lined rut fest..
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Typical of many modern meetings where they water the shite out of the track overnight and turn it into a mud meeting then a one lined rut fest..
They must have done because we had stuff all rain that weekend
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They sure did,with a few extra truck loads.Good to see our money going into something of relevance. Hope its like that for HBBB 2014 :P edit oh heck thats rough,only saw last weeks articles and pics.exta suspension extreme oh :o
Australia's iconic home of motorcycle sport, the State Motorcycle Sports Complex, will welcome the nation’s best motocross riders when Round 3 of the 2013 Monster Energy MX Nationals takes place at Broadford on Sunday, May 19.
Broadford’s motocross track has been completely rebuilt over the past month with tons of soil having been dumped and shaped into the track.
Broadford
’s State Motorcycle Sports Complex is owned and managed by Motorcycling Victoria, the State Controlling Body for motorcycle sport.
“A lot of preparation has been done to the track to get it ready for the MX Nationals." Broadford’s State Motorcycle Sports Complex manager Justin Bromley said. "We have also built a new top section of the track, which hasn’t been used since the last World 500cc Motocross Grand Prix in 2000.
“This has added an additional tabletop to the track as well as a few new turns, carving beams and whoops, in addition to about 300 metres of new track,” Justin added.
There has also been significant investment into the existing irrigation system, allowing for greater control of water management which will also minimise wastage.
“The new irrigation system will also significantly reduce the amount of time it will take to water the track, which will also allow for no disruptions to on-track activities,” Justin said.
“As part of the redevelopment, there is also a new mechanics area, which is located on top of Turn 3, ensuring that riders and their teams can communicate quicker, clearer and safer than ever before."
Due to the undulating nature of the track there are countless vantage points for spectator viewing, especially on top of the hill where you will be able to view the new top section up close; along the back-straight where you will be able to watch riders hit two tabletops, and alongside the Media Centre, which provides great views of the technical section halfway up the hill.
“All in all there is not a bad seat in the house!” Justin added.
Additional food and beverage locations have been added closer to the public areas.
“Developing a track of this standard is geared around future-proofing the facility. Not only will this allow us to host events such as the MX Nationals, but offer and industry-leading facility for our current MV-affiliated clubs and users,” Justin continued.
“The redevelopment of the motocross track will keep us headed in the right direction to offer industry-leading facilities across the entire State Motorcycle Sports Complex.
MV’s Chief Executive Officer, Mr Andrew Weiss, has also been considerably impressed with the latest redevelopments to the motocross track at Broadford.
“The motocross track is in the best condition it has ever been. A lot of hard work has gone into bring the track up to a world-class standard. Weiss stated.
“It will be great to showcase the revamped surface at the MX Nationals on the weekend, and we will be working hard to maintain the quality and integrity of the facility all year round.
“All the MV staff at the SMSC have been working extremely hard to make sure that the track is at its best and will continue to do so, so that we can show off what is a wonderful facility," he added.
Motorcycling Victoria will also be holding a Minikhana Come ‘n’ Try Session at Broadford on Sunday, May 19.
“The session will be on the 50s track close to the lower entry gate,” MV’s Sport & Development Manager Paul Bray said.
“We have support from Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki who will provide some of their fun bikes to allow newcomers to the sport of motorcycling the chance to try out their next bike of choice!
“We also have a number of accredited coaches to assist kids and parents with information on bikes and gear to those interested in having a go - there is no reason to bring along your own bikes.”
“Any junior rider that is under 12-years-old that has started riding, and has their own gear, can also come along and enjoy a few laps before heading up to watch the main show on the motocross track,” Bray concluded.
CLICK HERE to view the new and improved Broadford motocross track at the State Motorcycling Sports Complex on Facebook.
Top Image: The new and improved motocross track at Broadford’s State Motorcycling Sports Complex.
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Am I to understand that human intervention not Mother Nature bought about the scenes that were witnessed in that video?
If that is the case, why? And what set of circumstances would make a management committee and a promotor put so much water on a race track that would make it degrade to such a point that it looked more like an enduro special test than a world class motocross circuit?
Am I missing something?
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A lot of preparation has been done to the track to get it ready for the MX Nationals......
There has also been significant investment into the existing irrigation system, allowing for greater control of water management which will also minimise wastage......
The new irrigation system will also significantly reduce the amount of time it will take to water the track, which will also allow for no disruptions to on-track activities......
The redevelopment of the motocross track will keep us headed in the right direction to offer industry-leading facilities......
It will be great to showcase the revamped surface at the MX Nationals on the weekend, and we will be working hard to maintain the quality and integrity of the facility all year round.......
I'm guessing that there re-thinking these pre race comments!
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Shame they cant redevelop the toilet block along the road leading up the hill. It was shocking for HBBB and at 10am sunday morning of the Aust Mx champs it was just as bad . The new top section I would hardly say was rebuilt . It looked like they had just cut it with a blade. There was rocks tha size of footballs coming up in it and I had to yell out to the mashall(who was doing a great job) a few times so he would then remove them. The PA system was non existant up the back straight and accross the top of the hill. I just think it could have been a bit better for the paying punter. I am fortunate enough to have a broadford medallion so only had to pay for my wife($30)and one son($20). In this day and age its not asking too much for a clean toilet and some commentary is it?
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I agree with everyone's thoughts, as an MV Board member I am trying to improve everything related to racing in this State, plus I am trying to improve matters out at Broadford. BUT I cannot get the 'operations' side of MV to listen to me if the public or MV licence holders do not speak-up.
I will copy this thread to take to the next Board meeting but I really need licence holders to direct letters of complaint to the MV Board with a copy sent directly to me so that I can confirm that it does get raised at the Board meetings.
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2010 VMX Nats?
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I wish all the crap was sorted with Sporting MCC! Barrabool is the best track in Victoria with the best facilities and should hold the MX Nationals!!!
Broadford is a shithole, it alway was, is, and will be.
MA owns Barrabool, sort your shit out, use you best asset.
By the way, MA, stop being greedy wankers aswell!
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MA will try and shut down Barrabool and sell the land, you watch...... Thats what they are working on right now.
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I don't think MA want to close down Barrabool, I think problems with the part owning clubs and noise complaints from a property developer nearby are causing issues?
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That is really forked up all I can say is WTF happen and please don't do it again.
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Track watering is a tough gig.
You need to know the track and what preparation has been done to it so you can get the where and how much right. Then a team who stays at it, not just leave the sprinklers on. Sometimes hand watering is the only way to get it right.
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I don't think MA want to close down Barrabool, I think problems with the part owning clubs and noise complaints from a property developer nearby are causing issues?
John, sorry to burst your bubble but you have just repeated one of the many false rumours going round. The neighbours are not the enemy, that has already been sorted (not by MA though).
XR and Nada seem to know something most don't. Though just on that Nada, with the 'new' works recently done on the track (i.e. someone thought it would be a good idea to import rock infested dirt) then the 'best track' label may have to take a back seat for a while.
Also, 'best' asset may be better replaced with 'only'; any reference to Barrabool above the level of "s*^ful" at the moment just seems an oxymoron.
Perhaps when the CEO changes later this year things may take a different tack?
This is going off topic though, happy for someone to start off a new thread if they want . . .
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Barrabool was 10x what Broadford is. I dug out some old home videos and found some footage of some late nineties Thumper Nats. The joint was rammed. Cars everywhere, thousands of people. Great atmosphere. Any GP needs to go there. Broadford is a goat track in comparison.
Here's a thought. Even if noise is a slight issue, why not play to people's hearts and hold a 2 stroke national title at Barrabool? They don't make half the noise. Run what ya brung sort of thing. It's the same novelty as the thumpers before those damn things became the norm. How cool would it be to see some big names on some big bore 2 stroke creations?
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Emphatically, can anyone advise/comment/confirm if the;
1. Local conditions (ie rainfall) in the days leading up to this event.
or
2. Irrigation of the track.
or
3. A combination of both.
was the contributing factor to the condition of the track last weekend?
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Emphatically, can anyone advise/comment/confirm if the;
1. Local conditions (ie rainfall) in the days leading up to this event.
or
2. Irrigation of the track.
or
3. A combination of both.
was the contributing factor to the condition of the track last weekend?
Does it really matter either way? What can we do to stop it happening again in the future? I have my idea's about the place but my position on the MV Board prevents me from venting my thoughts. Living 15 min from the track I would have to say '3', there were light showers each day that would have soaked down through the freshly laid soil, watering would have been needed to stop the surface layer drying and turning into dust.
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Whether the Barrabool or Broadford facility is better (or worse) than each other is irrelevant, the issue was raised to get an insight as too how the facility degraded to what was witnessed last weekend given that reports of no or very litle rain precipitated in the days leading up to the event. If indeed it rained for days leading up to the event then it is a moot point, but that appears to not be the case.
Via a press release from the state based management committee, it went to great lengths to tell the industry and its supporters how good the Broadford facility would be for the upcoming MX round at Broadford. Specific points were made of;
- A new more efficient irrigation system was installed allowing for greater control of water management aimed at minimising wastage
- A lot of preparation was done to get it ready for the event
- Developing a track of this standard is geared around future-proofing the facility.
- The motocross track is in the best condition it has ever been and that a lot of hard work has gone into bringing the track up to a world-class standard
The industry and to a certain degree the riders will say (publically) that the track was “challenging” (or) “it rewarded individuals with skill & setup” (or) “preparation was the key to a good result”, the reality is that it was disappointing to see a national level facility deliver a racing surface that from what we have been told needn’t have been.
This is not the first time that Broadford has been subjected to such scrutiny in both the lead up to (&) post an event. I can remember a HBBB where the track was flooded to a point where the overflow of the irrigated water coming off the track flooded the camping area. If my memory serves me correct a Vintage Motocross Nationals a few years back suffered the same fate.
Social media channels, dependent of time zones and media editing, can publish to the world media sites video & still images in many cases before we get to see it here in Australia. You can only image what the majority of international fans of motocross thought when they clicked on the Racer-X link to watch highlights of a round of the Australian MX championships. They were probably thinking that it was a round of a local hare scramble in the outback somewhere.
Someone within the state based management committee needs to investigate this issue to identify what occurred during lead up to the event, and more specifically what occurred on the weekend itself. There should be some lessons learnt from this, as there should have been from previous events looking towards process and planning to ensure that there is not a repeat of this in the future.
At the end of the day MV made some very bold statements in their press release and the reality of the weekend is far removed from those statements, not withstanding that if the weather played a significant role in the result then it would been out of their control. I need to believe that Andrew Weiss & Paul Bray are at least a little bit embarrassed and disappointed as to the final outcome of the third Round of the 2013 Monster Energy MX Nationals.
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This is not the first time that Broadford has been subjected to such scrutiny in both the lead up to (&) post an event. I can remember a HBBB where the track was flooded to a point where the overflow of the irrigated water coming off the track flooded the camping area. If my memory serves me correct a Vintage Motocross Nationals a few years back suffered the same fate.
Don’t recall the HBBB episode but the Classic Nats and CD4 turned into a quagmire because of rain.
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(http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii489/Darley04/e2827872-7861-421d-b005-1a07a56282f6_zpsc11e2da7.jpg)
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Don’t recall the HBBB episode but the Classic Nats and CD4 turned into a quagmire because of rain.
Geoff,
The Baker Clan, Gazza H & Andy M woke in the early hours of the morning to water running through their campsite. For a brief moment it was comical till we worked out where the water originated from.
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yep the same fool is in control of the watering system it seems.
The sprinklers were left on most of the night .
Anyone with half a brain knows the place is on a hill with very bad drainage why this hasn't been upgraded beats me or if it has
they didn't do it to well.
In the case of the nats it was mother nature
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I was there at sparrow fart and the track looked awsome untill Josh cachia (title contender) seamed to be struggling to get around. It was good to see how different riders attacked different sections. Alot of breath holding moments were had watching them launch down the hills into foot deep ruts.
Ben Townley expressed his thought quite clear on his twitter account. He was there supporting Ford Dale and Ford happened to tweak a knee and looks to be out for season. There was alot of bike blowing out the crank case breathers like there was a volcano inside during practice.
As a spectator, i still enjoyed every bit of it, Matt Moss and Luke Styke were unbelievable and the technical/big balls risk taking definately showed amongst who was who. Sniffed plenty of 2 stroke fumes this year which is usally very rare! ;D
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What a difference 6 days make. Rode the Mitchell ride day yesterday and apart from 3 or 4 sections of the track it was pretty bloody good, although it was obvious that excessive water had been "sprinkled" on the track in some sections the day/night before in an effort to reduce the possibility of dust on the Sunday.
People either love or hate the Broadford track, and there is no doubt that due to its location and environmental challenges it is a labor intensive facility but it needn't have turned out like it did weekend before last.
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People either love or hate the Broadford track, and there is no doubt that due to its location and environmental challenges it is a labor intensive facility but it needn't have turned out like it did weekend before last.
Your right, and I bloody hate the prick of a joint! World Class you say, BULLSHIT! If anyone thinks it's world class, they obviously have not traveled OS and they clearly live under a rock in the Simpson Desert!
Barrabool, Manjimup, Conondale are true MX tracks, Take a leaf out of their books MA, bunch of goat tracks. You wonder why we struggle against the rest of the world MA? look no further!
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UNBELIEVABLE........ You'd think the track preppers would know NOT to leave the water on overnight. They've seen what happens to the track when they do. STUPID to the point of being MORONIC.
You'd also think that with the money that is made from HBBB alone there would be "world class" amenities. Not only for the spectators but the race teams who spend gazzillions getting their respective riders around the country.
What really peevs me is the fact that the road race crew have great amenities. The speedway lot have great amenities. What about the MX people MA/MV?
How about you improve OUR facilities and stop buying relics to put in YOUR museum! That $10K CZ you recently bought would have gone a long way to building some DECENT and HYGIENIC amenities at the MX circuit. If not that then some decent drainage around the track.
I've personally seen the septics FAIL at both toilets at the MX track. I had to move my camp site at the top of the hill one year so I didn't get washed away with the effluent! And the showers....well, what do you say? CRAP!
You had a good crew of racers over from Tassie for the Nats in 2010 and they had to put up with the smell of shite all weekend.....not to mention the dust from every vehicle that went past. And the overflow from the showers. Allegedly they were given the best spot!
It's still the same to this day.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
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MA run the HBBB, MV own the circuit, they didn't make ALL that money out of the event.
MA bought the CZ not MV.
One toilets/showers block is new 12 months ago, the MX track has 2 toilet/shower blocks!
But I agree with you that MA/MV continue to have unsatisfied licence holders.
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After discussions with staff at the circuit, apparently it was Kevin Williams (Kev runs the whole show) that requested the watering, I am surprised that Kev doesn't know better?!! He use to race and still gets on a bike, I'm speechless :-(
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After discussions with staff at the circuit, apparently it was Kevin Williams (Kev runs the whole show) that requested the watering, I am surprised that Kev doesn't know better?!! He use to race and still gets on a bike, I'm speechless :-(
Yep, I'm not surprised, he is self obsessed fork wit. SAY NO MORE!!
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The crazy watering regime is pretty standard issue at nationals.
Maybe Boradford was worse than normal, but not by orders of magnitude.
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The crazy watering regime is pretty standard issue at nationals.
Yep, but dust is enemy No1.
Kevin Williams (Kev runs the whole show) that requested the watering
Did a club run the event or was it a WEM event. Kevin has never once told me how to water Conondale. I know what I would have told him if he did.
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WEM ran the event, Mitchell Club supplied volunteers to marshal. The staff at the track will only do what they are told, I instructed them how I wanted it watered last Sunday and I have never had so many riders comment on great track conditions.
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It comes down to the old adage John.... If you want to know the lay of the land, ask a local. Not some self absorbed expert!
X = unknown quantity and "spurt" is nothing more than a drip under pressure
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It comes down to the old adage John.... If you want to know the lay of the land, ask a local. Not some self absorbed expert!
X = unknown quantity and "spurt" is nothing more than a drip under pressure
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