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Title: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 07, 2013, 02:35:36 pm
did it work(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar002_zps24954cc1.jpg) well I'll be, :o dumb dumb did it with out crashing the site (but needed 3 forum members to do it)  ;D thanks all.

right down to business, here we have what was saved from a scrap yard unfortuneatley could not salvage much :'( will post the restoration (rebirth)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 07, 2013, 02:52:36 pm
try again(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar008_zps33f5323d.jpg) here is the start
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 10:25:49 am
all the internal weight reduction system affected (rusted) structure replaced or repaired(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar014_zps5b1fc5d2.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 10:33:59 am
fabrication of the chambers (thanks for the specs Freaky) I fusion (oxy) tact welded then me mate tig (GTAW)welded (http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar024_zpsf94313f1.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 10:37:10 am
what I hope will be the last tabs and cleats welded on and prep for paint(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar030_zps24610ec1.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 10:48:44 am
complete engine rebuild, wheels all bearings, seals replaced and and everything else that was not upto scratch.(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar037_zps6e65f497.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 10:55:54 am
now the fun starts, we call it the UN chair cos the parts came from every corner of the planet, so lets see if they fit and like each other ;)(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar045_zps9bdd97dd.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 11:02:17 am
its slowly comeing together the sheds a bigger mess than useual cant believe how many box's of parts, sundries and tools are out and about :o(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar049_zps202cc67d.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Simo63 on March 08, 2013, 11:27:14 am
Looks great mate, keep up the good work  8)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 11:37:08 am
 ;)cheers mate
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Bumper on March 08, 2013, 02:23:18 pm
looks awsome,and i know whats ahead of you
try not to go to insane ;)
will it make it to HBBB,Im hopen the rat will be there
not to far to go now
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 03:48:02 pm
looks awsome,and i know whats ahead of you
try not to go to insane ;)
will it make it to HBBB,Im hopen the rat will be there
not to far to go now

:-[ too late have gone insane  :-[
I would like to think so but will see how we go for time as we are doing the ASA, Morgan rounds plus work I have had the last 2 weeks off but was 12hr x 6 day weeks before.
I would love to see the rat! well done, great resto  8)
yep 95% done 95% to go just finishing all the small stuff then will get back to wiring it up and then start it  :o and hope like hell  ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 08, 2013, 04:29:50 pm
Here is some of the history of the Pre68 so far-
Baz got it off some guys that rescued it from a scrap metal yard (was sporting English wheels but removed before Baz took posession,
I got it from Baz at RCB
Ronny Parker swung for Phil Franklin on it in the scrambles (in its T500 trim)
when we were working on  it we found that the chair has been on 4 to 5 bikes and has had a few suspension mods and looks as if it pre date suspension, the suspension on it now is the flexo torque from a 1964 Mini.
it is now sporting a 1967 Suzuki T250 frame and engine, the engine is now out to 350 with carbs to match.
We have a name trail and are trying to source contact numbers and hope this will lead us to 1 or more of the builders and of course who the Pilots and Co Pilots where..........
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on March 08, 2013, 07:38:58 pm
And the Honda twin leader front wheel be ex Tim754 :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: albrid-3 on March 08, 2013, 09:11:34 pm
Tim will the 250 twin be strong enough to used, power wise.
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on March 08, 2013, 10:29:39 pm
 David.  With the 350cc Suzuki (most likely it will be 305cc   ;)) top end yes for a bit of fun. Most appropriately a flat/flattish race area like The Classic Scramble Clubs Lismore (Vic) one would be the bee's knees. Dirt/Flat track speedway be the go too ,really getting the little twin up there in the revs. Inclines (AKA hills..) may prove diabolic and bring strong feelings of unwanted agitation to the anal regions..... cheers Tim754
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Andrew L on March 09, 2013, 08:45:45 am
Classic scrambles club has dropped side car class this year lack of competitors I think.
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 09, 2013, 01:57:36 pm
Tim will the 250 twin be strong enough to used, power wise.
yep your wheel Tim ;)
Its actually the 315cc ;) at std they put out 40 bhp at 7500 rpm, tried to tune pipes for more mid range it also has the first 6 speed gear box (X6 super 6 ) so hope we can try to have the right ratio when we need it  ??? yep will probably vibrate like a D$%#do the fact that suzuki put rubber mounted handle bars on back then is a good indication :)
At the moment SA is looking good for sidecars even MSA are trying to revive as well as people all over saying Im building one of this and that, looking for and saying I will get mine out.  8)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on March 09, 2013, 06:04:57 pm
Classic scrambles club has dropped side car class this year lack of competitors I think........ >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

315cc did I say 305?,,,noooooo way   shite I did ,OK I am getting old...... ::) :-*
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 13, 2013, 09:47:23 am
 :D you were right they did do a 305cc  ;) 1st 250 1964, 1st 305 1968, 1st 315 1969, here is the best bit most parts interchangable and flow on to around 1976 :o didn't know shit this time last year its amazing how they have come on line just lately, the irony is the old Norton slayers are mostly being revived in the UK, Browny ex Yamaha Pitmans sold 3 x engines to the poms recently and lots of parts now available in the U.S.A (bugger all 9 months ago) they just recently started supplying Wiseco pistons for the 62mm, 62.5mm and 63mm bores so the old 350 barrels can live again and of course they just go straight on to the 250 ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on March 13, 2013, 09:21:15 pm
 "you were right they did do a 305cc"  started production July 67...        :D   Me ?   fig jam ;) :D :D :D

Ya dunno wot fig jam is?  A spreadable conserve for bakery produce ,made from mostly figs and sugars.

F**k I'm Good Just Ask Me... ::)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 14, 2013, 01:00:31 pm
"you were right they did do a 305cc"  started production July 67...        :D   Me ?   fig jam ;) :D :D :D

Ya dunno wot fig jam is?  A spreadable conserve for bakery produce ,made from mostly figs and sugars.

F**k I'm Good Just Ask Me... ::)
Ha but what continent was the 305 first released in? and if the std bore is 61mm for the 315 what is the bore for the 305 and by what incraments did they increase there oversizes?  :) :D ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 14, 2013, 01:38:46 pm
nearly there(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar055_zpsd73312f1.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 14, 2013, 01:41:41 pm
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar056_zps9bbd04f9.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 14, 2013, 01:43:35 pm
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar057_zps318c1ac5.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 14, 2013, 01:46:25 pm
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar058_zpsf37dbe92.jpg)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Andrew L on March 14, 2013, 04:52:20 pm
Poor old swinger deaf and burnt :).         Looks like allot of fun going to be had though.
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 14, 2013, 05:28:52 pm
Poor old swinger deaf and burnt :).         Looks like allot of fun going to be had though.
dont forget tripping  ;D did ya ever see the pic of Franklin and Alphabet on the suzy 750 triple and the passeger needed a step ladder to get over the chambers staked 3 high?  :D :o
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 16, 2013, 12:17:58 pm
nearly there(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/petessidecar055_zpsd73312f1.jpg)
Hey guys what would be the best elctronic system to replace the points, alternater battery system? cheers
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX247 on March 16, 2013, 12:53:26 pm
pre78 Classic Nationals Nov 1,2 &3rd. Pialligo Ave, Fairburn  ACT  ;)  ;D 

Well done, to you and your shed mates  8)   
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 16, 2013, 01:05:46 pm
pre78 Classic Nationals Nov 1,2 &3rd. Pialligo Ave, Fairburn  ACT  ;)  ;D 

Well done, to you and your shed mates  8)   
Cheers Ali, and thanks again for helping dumb dumb, hey any sidecars at Nats?^
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on March 16, 2013, 01:18:46 pm
Have had Great service from Powerdynamo



http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/7201/72015main.htm

When I raced a T250 Suzuki in P4 that was fitted with a  Small coil rewinds setup based on a KX80 EARLY model  worked very well as it started at low turn over speed easy starting

Cheers

Run the oil pump wired at halfway open then also run premix
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on March 17, 2013, 04:49:31 pm
MOST use Boyer/Brandsen but I have had little luck with them and they have cost a couple of big races.
There is lots more available these days, even stuff fron Dick Smith that will do the job .
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 18, 2013, 10:41:43 am
Have had Great service from Powerdynamo



http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/7201/72015main.htm

When I raced a T250 Suzuki in P4 that was fitted with a  Small coil rewinds setup based on a KX80 EARLY model  worked very well as it started at low turn over speed easy starting

Cheers

Run the oil pump wired at halfway open then also run premix
sound good, so the whole kx system including fly wheel  and what ratio on the premix?
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 18, 2013, 10:46:17 am
MOST use Boyer/Brandsen but I have had little luck with them and they have cost a couple of big races.
There is lots more available these days, even stuff fron Dick Smith that will do the job .
yer makes sence just get rid of the points  8) cheers
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on March 18, 2013, 08:20:11 pm
Bert at Small coil rewinds used the Early KX80 stator plate and flywheel his own CDI box then a LC250/350 Yamaha twin lead coil ring Bert to get a Quote
Keep in mind still have to make a back plate to fit the Suzuki motor plus change the taper on the flywheel bit of stuffing around but it did work very well

Lots to choose from comes down to Price and with a Sidecar might need a heavy  Flywheel weight to drive the little 250/315 working hard

Pump locked on halfway plus 32 to one ratio premix and try to stay under 9000 rpm working that hard plus the weight Suzuki crank b/end will shit itself   ::)

Cheers
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on March 19, 2013, 10:17:47 am
 try to stay under 9000 rpm
Cheers
[/quote]
Bahhahah...that'll be the day...... :D :D :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 19, 2013, 04:50:02 pm
Bert at Small coil rewinds used the Early KX80 stator plate and flywheel his own CDI box then a LC250/350 Yamaha twin lead coil ring Bert to get a Quote
Keep in mind still have to make a back plate to fit the Suzuki motor plus change the taper on the flywheel bit of stuffing around but it did work very well

Lots to choose from comes down to Price and with a Sidecar might need a heavy  Flywheel weight to drive the little 250/315 working hard

Pump locked on halfway plus 32 to one ratio premix and try to stay under 9000 rpm working that hard plus the weight Suzuki crank b/end will shit itself   ::)

Cheers good stuff always good to hear stuff thats been done and works now about that RPM thing I am not a tachometer nor a rev limiter  :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 19, 2013, 04:52:00 pm
try to stay under 9000 rpm
Cheers
Bahhahah...that'll be the day...... :D :D :D
[/quote]  ::)  :) :D ;D  ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on March 19, 2013, 06:38:42 pm
OK  OK  forget the 9000 rpm

The T250/305/315  Suzuki twins  if you rev shit out of it  you will blow a bigend usually the rh side

 8)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 20, 2013, 12:01:35 pm
OK  OK  forget the 9000 rpm

The T250/305/315  Suzuki twins  if you rev shit out of it  you will blow a bigend usually the rh side

 8)
yes, yes you will  ;)  the road race boys go to great lengths to make them into 4 bearing cranks to pull reliable 12000 rpm :o plus lots of crank rebuilds in between.
so max 7500 rpm for me and keep it at 40 hp if we can achieve reliability we are in with a chance  ::)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 20, 2013, 03:40:27 pm
WHOO HOO  ;D It started number 47 PRE68 started and sound like a frikin TZ  :o just hope it goes ok :-\ spectacular here we come (we hope)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on March 21, 2013, 05:44:51 pm
Whatsit weigh Shelpi, any idea??
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 22, 2013, 11:50:09 am
Whatsit weigh Shelpi, any idea??
Ah let me see there's 2 pints to a quart and 3ft 3" and 3/8" to a meter  :P the square root ...........
Nah no idea   :o std bike was 140 kgs, Ill go and weigh it and get back to ya!


now let me see half a tonne of sidecar minus rust = ........................
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 22, 2013, 01:33:24 pm
Whatsit weigh Shelpi, any idea??
only done with bathroom scales  :o the answer is ......drum role ............. WET not dry .......
200kgs :o ??? :-\
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on March 22, 2013, 04:41:31 pm
Bloody light weights!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 23, 2013, 10:32:55 am
Bloody light weights!!!!! 8)
took it for its 1st ride  :D bit to soon to say but at low revs it seems like it wants to go like a scolded cat  :o its twitchy up front so will do mods (not bad but cant just leave it) must be only mm in it?
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on March 23, 2013, 11:46:41 am
Steering damper OK, and where is your passenger standing?
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 24, 2013, 10:02:34 am
Steering damper OK, and where is your passenger standing?
steering dampner new and ok, ahh there was no passenger  ::) have done the calcs and yep front wheel axle a smidge to far forward, now in the sweet spot, so see if its ok? cheers
one carby is a bit off, but plug drop says its ok, cant wait to open it up and see whats going on in the main jet department!
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on March 25, 2013, 10:13:24 am
now twiged and good  ;) cheers  (front end that is)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 02, 2013, 12:46:30 pm
Well its just done practice at Morgan  ;D all was well especilly considering the fact that we were the first out for practice on a very wet muddy and slippery track, bloody hell when it hit the power band !!!! all good till the second lap going around the big sweeper went to button off before the jump! shit throttle stuck wide open quickly pulled lanyard all good until we went pull of the track bit of a low seed tip but all ok, started it again all ok what the ?  now informed an proven by self carbies jam on full if the carbs are done upto tight, me mate on the Greeves said yer mines the same another bloke says yer me BSA does that  :o what the #$%#  does anyone know a fix for this ???
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX247 on April 25, 2013, 10:12:22 am
Landed the #1 podium in pre68 ASA Spectacular,Crystal Brook SA.

  8) CONGRADULATIONS  8) 

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/peters68placed1statASA2013_zps50a38a7c.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/peters68placed1statASA2013_zps50a38a7c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 25, 2013, 10:24:02 am
Thanx Ali,  ;)  :-*
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tossa on April 25, 2013, 10:31:45 am
great job, puts a smile on the dial
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: firko on April 25, 2013, 10:36:38 am
Great work! Another veteran back in battle.
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 25, 2013, 10:37:50 am
great job, puts a smile on the dial
Cheers mate, yep, got  lucky  ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 25, 2013, 10:45:29 am
Great work! Another veteran back in battle.
Thanx mate, yep the battle raged on for 2 days, we only made our position on the last race on the last day when the gearbox got shot down on a worthy apponent, cheers Rocky and Shane
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on April 25, 2013, 11:53:12 am
A old 2 stroke Smoked them 4 stroke things that make that funny noise

Just love old two smokers half the CC and still a winner Cool As   8)    8)


Your pipes must have worked out OK pulling power wise with the chair

Great Effort
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 25, 2013, 02:05:49 pm
A old 2 stroke Smoked them 4 stroke things that make that funny noise

Just love old two smokers half the CC and still a winner Cool As   8)    8)


Your pipes must have worked out OK pulling power wise with the chair

Great Effort
Cheers Mate, yep the old power to weight ratio trick (plus i am a short ass)

2 smokes have there place  :o

yer we must have fluked it this time, probaly woulda worked with a jam tin and some water pipe, we just hope the Hirashima screamer stays together  ??? that would be good if the motorcycle gods could watch down on us for that (hint hint) or would that be asking to much  :-\
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on April 25, 2013, 04:22:06 pm
Well  done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Bumper on April 26, 2013, 08:21:16 pm
well done team screamer ,from scrap heap to KINGS O BLING
now that,s a resto
PRE 68 kickin ass and on the way up  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on April 27, 2013, 09:51:27 am
So what cc's is it now??
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 28, 2013, 11:08:56 am
Well  done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
thanks  and thanks for the lucky wheel  ;)  :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 28, 2013, 11:12:39 am
well done team screamer ,from scrap heap to KINGS O BLING
now that,s a resto
PRE 68 kickin ass and on the way up  ;D ;D ;D

cheers mate, yer well can we keep up this sharade?  :o all the best to the Rat Viva la Rat
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on April 28, 2013, 11:18:48 am
So what cc's is it now??
it was 315cc @ 54x 61mm, Now @ 54x 62mm ................ so there's 3ft 3inch's and 3/8 to a metre so at a gesstamation  ??? hey can someone do the calcs please :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Bumper on April 29, 2013, 02:51:07 pm
326cc is what ya got there , ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on April 29, 2013, 06:25:40 pm
Shelpi. here ya go .Bore x bore x .7854 x stroke x number of cylinders.  The bore size MUST ALWAYS be first in this equation , The figure of . (that's point)   .7854 is a constant in all cc calculations.

In your case that's  62 x 62 x .7854 x 54 x 2 = 326cc

Current engine in my 754 being 67 x 67 x .7854 x 65 x 4 = 916cc

Cheers  Lucky front wheel from me ???? :D Suppose it did reach the finish line before everything else!!! ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 04, 2013, 02:28:24 pm
326cc is what ya got there , ;D

cheers  ;) :) :D ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 04, 2013, 02:34:09 pm
Shelpi. here ya go .Bore x bore x .7854 x stroke x number of cylinders.  The bore size MUST ALWAYS be first in this equation , The figure of . (that's point)   .7854 is a constant in all cc calculations.

In your case that's  62 x 62 x .7854 x 54 x 2 = 326cc

Current engine in my 754 being 67 x 67 x .7854 x 65 x 4 = 916cc

Cheers  Lucky front wheel from me ???? :D Suppose it did reach the finish line before everything else!!! ;D
ahh good stuff  ;) no wonder I couldnt work it out I was useing pies are square (and yummy) and yep the wheel did win we just followed it  :D :o
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 13, 2013, 10:03:15 am
hey Tim ya lucky wheel has done it again mate  ;) just point it and the rest follows  :D it was even trying it on with the Pre75 chaps :o
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 17, 2013, 12:32:12 pm
hey Tim ya lucky wheel has done it again mate  ;) just point it and the rest follows  :D it was even trying it on with the Pre75 chaps :o
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/DSC_0198_zps25682043.jpg) (http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/shelpi1/media/DSC_0198_zps25682043.jpg.html)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 17, 2013, 12:37:57 pm
hey Tim ya lucky wheel has done it again mate  ;) just point it and the rest follows  :D it was even trying it on with the Pre75 chaps :o
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/DSC_0201_zpsb2740515.jpg) (http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/shelpi1/media/DSC_0201_zpsb2740515.jpg.html)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 17, 2013, 12:39:59 pm
hey Tim ya lucky wheel has done it again mate  ;) just point it and the rest follows  :D it was even trying it on with the Pre75 chaps :o
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/DSC_0204_zpsc4f818e6.jpg) (http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/shelpi1/media/DSC_0204_zpsc4f818e6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on May 17, 2013, 12:45:26 pm
Was the bloke in the yellow coat the course opener ......or the sweep :D :D :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 17, 2013, 12:46:14 pm
Now I think its just showing off  :o the little engine that thinks it could  :D(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/DSC_0146_zpse55be78b.jpg) (http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/shelpi1/media/DSC_0146_zpse55be78b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on May 17, 2013, 12:48:12 pm
Was the bloke in the yellow coat the course opener ......or the sweep :D :D :D
lol ARRR A DRY RIDER  ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 27, 2013, 11:04:25 am
We have hurt Franky (Zook) had a chain derailment and had to cut the front sprocket into 3 peices to get it off, Noticed after Keith we have noise in second gear  :P so need to pull down, has any one got gearbox bits  :-\
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on August 27, 2013, 02:35:53 pm
Shelpi I have this lot of parts . Engine No. T250-55808 Have not looked up what year it is yet. What you see is what you get. Price ? offer over $100 Tim754
Bonuses, crank and rods rotate, um yeah...ex farm go cart.....
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on August 27, 2013, 02:47:14 pm
69/70 model....... Sssshhhh  ;) pre68's start with T20 not T250 if I remember right...
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on August 27, 2013, 04:48:36 pm
um yeah...ex farm go cart.....
Shit Tim, between that and the 750/4 outfit you must have had some worried stock on that place....and prolly a very happy Kelpi. :D :D :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on August 27, 2013, 05:10:41 pm
 Nope I rescued it from a dumped farm go cart wreck some years ago, not responsible for the construction of the shite at all ::)   
Never lived on a farm just live in a small rural metropolis. Mind you when allowed with the 754 on a paddock, scaring the bejesus out of farm animals and various other ferals is sublime entertainment :) :) :) :) ;D.....

We had a faithful Blue Healer      what else.....
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 28, 2013, 10:38:00 am
69/70 model....... Sssshhhh  ;) pre68's start with T20 not T250 if I remember right...
T20 went upto 1966 T250 started 1967, T305 started 1967 in Japan and 1968 every where else the T350 started in 1968 and 69 depends on what country? there are so many overlaps even the GT250 uses t20 parts so if we go by the flow on rule we could start in 1964 and go through to 1976  :o Yep was not going to build a Pre68 that was going to get busted at a National title and sent away with my tail between my legs, we spent a lot of time to make sure before starting the project, especialy when buying from ebay as they get it mixed up all the time ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 28, 2013, 10:42:04 am
Shelpi I have this lot of parts . Engine No. T250-55808 Have not looked up what year it is yet. What you see is what you get. Price ? offer over $100 Tim754
Bonuses, crank and rods rotate, um yeah...ex farm go cart.....
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/104_0257_zpsaba445f9.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/104_0257_zpsaba445f9.jpg.html)
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Disregard photo date battery was flat in camera and I was to lazy to reset the date to today 27/08/13
Sold  ;) T250-55808 has a Gt250 clutch cover on it, do you want me to PM you my details Tim
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 28, 2013, 12:34:25 pm
69/70 model....... Sssshhhh  ;) pre68's start with T20 not T250 if I remember right...
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q721/shelpi1/suzukimanual002_zps7b9103f1.jpg) (http://s1356.photobucket.com/user/shelpi1/media/suzukimanual002_zps7b9103f1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on August 28, 2013, 01:30:33 pm
Jeez Shelpi, you might end up with a fleet of 'em bahahaha :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 28, 2013, 01:41:22 pm
Jeez Shelpi, you might end up with a fleet of 'em bahahaha :D
;) :) :D ;D 8) you can only hope  ;) hows it all going up there in sunny Queensland?
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: EML on August 28, 2013, 03:03:40 pm
All good here tho I think we will struggle to get the numbers for the pre78 Nats this time. Will have to work hard on it. Do you know of any down there for sale?? Get on to Freaky to get his SC500 done. Got on to one overseas (SC500) but it was sold the week before we got to see it.
Did you check the thread about the Indian Enfields...food for thought there.
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on August 28, 2013, 06:50:28 pm
 :) :) :) :) :)Go Shelpi!
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: supersenior 50 on August 28, 2013, 09:36:25 pm
See you at the Nats in November
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 29, 2013, 10:33:06 am
See you at the Nats in November
Here's Hopen ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 29, 2013, 10:44:54 am
All good here tho I think we will struggle to get the numbers for the pre78 Nats this time. Will have to work hard on it. Do you know of any down there for sale?? Get on to Freaky to get his SC500 done. Got on to one overseas (SC500) but it was sold the week before we got to see it.
Did you check the thread about the Indian Enfields...food for thought there.
Nah sorry dont know of any for sale but will keep me peepers out, Freaky is trying to get his pre75 sidechair going actually he should put the SC500 into his outfit  :o
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on August 30, 2013, 10:52:43 am
 :) a big thanks Tim754 itsa pleasure dealing with you ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on September 04, 2013, 02:18:17 pm
Yep after chain derail 2nd gear gotta tooth smashed off :'(  (anyone know a good dentist)  ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on September 09, 2013, 10:56:55 am
Zook now has gear box fixed and cases welded  :) pistons comeing so hope it will be ready for the last ASA round :P
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on September 10, 2013, 08:31:32 pm
Shelpi  I did am oops and put a question for you in the sidecar piccies thread :o tim754 ::)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on September 11, 2013, 10:24:12 am
Shelpi  I did am oops and put a question for you in the sidecar piccies thread :o tim754 ::)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH No :) :D ;D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on September 22, 2013, 10:21:22 am
Shelpi I have this lot of parts . Engine No. T250-55808 Have not looked up what year it is yet. What you see is what you get. Price ? offer over $100 Tim754
Bonuses, crank and rods rotate, um yeah...ex farm go cart.....
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/104_0257_zpsaba445f9.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/104_0257_zpsaba445f9.jpg.html)
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/104_0259_zps68b5eeea.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/104_0259_zps68b5eeea.jpg.html)
(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad360/tdee754/104_0259_zps68b5eeea.jpg) (http://s951.photobucket.com/user/tdee754/media/104_0259_zps68b5eeea.jpg.html)
Disregard photo date battery was flat in camera and I was to lazy to reset the date to today 27/08/13
Tim you crafty bugger  8) you put a big suprise in the deal ;D they are T350 pots and on standard bore too boot, there as rare as rocking horse shit and you let me have them for a song ;) Mate your a Saint, couldnt believe my eye's, So a Big thanx mate, I O U 1 :) :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on September 22, 2013, 06:56:18 pm
  Yeah thought ya might have a use for them :)  ;) Cheers
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on October 16, 2013, 01:21:34 pm
 :'( ok let me have it with both barrels  :o why did the wiseco pistons sieze :-[
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: Tim754 on October 17, 2013, 08:28:10 pm
 The old " how long is a piece of string my friend" Lack of lube  .....,Incorrect jetting for the prevailing conditions*... lack of cooling, incorrect fuel, what size was the post boring hone?. Do (or did ) the piston crowns change the squish/ combustion area? have the pipe chamber sizes been changed. is the oil pump working, or have you for some reason removed it?( It may have had the little Suzuki plates on the crank or something that needed removal or re-machining to take premix properly.  :o  Without having it front of me it's hard to even guess friend Shelpi.

* prevailing conditions.  including, atmospheric temp, moisture and pressure, track type (hard fast slow sandy icy dusty etc) weight and drag of outfit and operating personnel ,position of right wrist in relation to twist grip...

Start with jetting my friend as soon as your got the Suzi going again. Remember the old " Plug Chops" ;) and check as I mentioned above what amount of "hone" was given. Have found from experience to go to larger than the Wiseco sheets says  ;)

 Oh and how be the complete air filtration setup?
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on October 19, 2013, 10:24:25 am
cheers Tim, its great to hear a clear mind tick over, I think Iwill put my money on piston bore clearance with air temp and a flat chat track, plug readings good, plenty of oil found in the mess ??? thanks again for a concise cover of 2 bang and rattles 101 ;) :)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on October 19, 2013, 01:23:23 pm
Mate

Where those Wiseco piston the old Green box type, as they need 4 to 6 thou  skirt clearance . Bloody old cast Wiseco will sieze at any time

Same as last time might be able to help with NEW geen box piston or rings for the old Wiseco   ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on October 19, 2013, 01:32:48 pm
Mate

Where those Wiseco piston the old Green box type, as they need 4 to 6 thou  skirt clearance . Bloody old cast Wiseco will sieze at any time

Same as last time might be able to help with NEW geen box piston or rings for the old Wiseco   ;)

Cheers
Nah brand new ones made by wiseco exclusively for  Paul Miller, yep should of gone 4+thou insted of 3+ wiseco recommended 2.9 thou ;)
how can you help with new green box piston and rings ;) ???
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on October 19, 2013, 01:43:36 pm
Got a shit load of New old stock Wiseco green box T250 and T350 suzuki piston and rings , may have the right o/s piston assy no guarentee what I have in the shed  :D
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on October 19, 2013, 01:56:44 pm
Got a shit load of New old stock Wiseco green box T250 and T350 suzuki piston and rings , may have the right o/s piston assy no guarentee what I have in the shed  :D
were have you been all my life? hang on same as last time  :o sorry Vmx60 Ive been all around the world mate and for the life of me cant remember what conversation we had before sorry  :-[ so what piston o/s have ya for the T350?
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on October 19, 2013, 02:29:54 pm
Supplied you with the T250 side covers after the chain damage  :)

Will check over the w/end what 350 piston are in the shed

Cheers
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on October 19, 2013, 02:44:38 pm
Supplied you with the T250 side covers after the chain damage  :)

Will check over the w/end what 350 piston are in the shed

Cheers
yep remember all of that crystal clear (and thank you again forall you did there) but not the piston part :-[ must be haveing a senior moment  ??? sorry
cheers for that, good on Tim has also been a legend on the supply and demmand department in this area. huge thanx fellas ;)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: VMX60 on October 19, 2013, 03:07:17 pm
No senior moment never had the piston talk only motor covers  :)

Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on October 22, 2013, 06:10:59 pm
No senior moment never had the piston talk only motor covers  :)
phew thought I had lost it for a momemrnt there :o ;) :) so at your leasure would luv to know what pistons ya got for the T350 ;) :)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on November 10, 2013, 10:49:14 am
No senior moment never had the piston talk only motor covers  :)
phew thought I had lost it for a momemrnt there :o ;) :) so at your leasure would luv to know what pistons ya got for the T350 ;) :)
bump  ;) mmm pistons 8)
Title: Re: rebirth of the pre68
Post by: shelpi on November 10, 2013, 11:00:22 am
 ;D dear old Zook came home from the  2013 POOLTECH BUILING SERVICES ASA STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS PRE 75 SIDECARS with a 2nd  ;D not bad for a pre 68 ;)
Thank you to all of you that worked on, sent parts, gave tips, pointers, advice and encouragement, pitty she siezed at the Aust Nats but hey always next year,
Cheers All