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Clubroom => Vintage Track => Topic started by: ash666 on December 08, 2012, 05:27:58 pm
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G'DAY EVERYONE, I'm Ashley Wilesmith I'm currently the secretary of the TEMORA MOTORCYCLE CLUB... AND I'M PROUD AS PUNCH TO ANNOUNCE that the TEMORA MOTORCYCLE CLUB WILL BE HOSTING THE 2013 AUSTRALIAN CLASSIC TITLES ON THE 5TH AND 6TH OF OCTOBER 2013
Providing that we get enough entries we WILL be running BOTH PRE-78 and POST-78 CLASSES which includes the EVO class aswell as PRE-85'S we are also hoping to run the sidecars providing the boys can get enough entries to make it a class.
We have also decided that we will run 2 junior support classes the 9-12 years pre 1980 80cc and the 13-15 years pre 1980 125cc because it's only a support class we will only be able to accept the first 12 entries so please keep that in mind ( I can't wait to see the old air cooled 80cc bikes hit the track again. lol )
We are an old club but for most of our club members this will be our FIRST MAJOR MEETING and we have HUGE plans to make this meeting bigger and better than ever.
We are yet to decide on whether we will make this meeting a TRIALS/SPEEDWAY TYRE ONLY MEETING, we want to make it as cheap and as fair as possible, I have raced on the woodlands circuit with all breeds of tyres and as much as i love the wet motards on my 250f 450f and cr500 at $260 a TYRE they are way to costly for most blokes that may never ride on a hard oil track again after this meeting. So in my opinion the next best tyre is the vee rubber trials tyres FRONT AND BACK, I would love to get some feedback on this tyre issue PLEASE.
At the moment we are currently working on the track patching a couple of holes, THAT HAPPENED TO SHOW THEIR FACE DURING OUR 100 LAP POSTY CHALLENGE. Aswell as that our new camping area is really starting to take shape, so be october next year it should be right to use. There are plenty of motels and pub rooms + a caravan park also available in town...... I'LL BE SURE TO KEEP YOU ALL INFORMED AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH OUT THE YEAR
IF YOU WOULD LIKE ANY MORE DETAILS OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN CONTACT ASH-0431653583 OR IAN-0419235742
HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE AT THE WOODLANDS SPEEDWAY IN OCTOBER
REGARDS:ASH
P.S YOU CAN ALSO CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE JUST GOOGLE : temoramotorcycleclub
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What great news Ash !!, Well done to the Temora Club for putting their hands up for it. Just to set the record straight from the start, though, is the club planning to run both the Aussie Classic Dirt Track Titles as well as the Aussie Post-Classic Dirt Track Titles at the one meeting ??
Foss
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Club website:
http://temoramotorcycleclub.com/
Some pics from the 2011 postie challenge - gives a bit of an idea of the track.
http://ozdirttrack.ning.com/photo/albums/posties-at-temora
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G'day Foss, Yeah mate that is our plan but like with any dirt track meeting, we need the numbers to make it work, To all the slider riders that are under the impression that the hard oil circuit won't suit their bikes ???? I suggest you talk to LEN NORRIS who has always said that he has soft spot for the Temora track aswell as the majority of hard oil tracks, and in my opinion it don't get much better than his word.......;)
So please support by dusting off those old bikes and leathers and making this meeting ONE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT FOR MANY YEARS TO COME................. Hopefully in a good way !!!!! ;D
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G'Day Ash just wondering if you have any idea as of yet for the slider classes or will it be open to all one race cheers mate.
Al.
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Hey Al, I'm not really sure as of yet but we are open to suggestions ??? what do you think pre-85 or pre-75 or something else ???
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Hey Ash
What about Pre '90's mate?
Cheers
Shaun
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hagon 84
i will be riding my antig 250 honda elsinore in the pre 75 over 50 250.if i get it done my tt500 long tracker in the pre 78 263 and over.
you can ride them in the year class. i think you have a rm250 hagon if its a pre 78 motor it is in the pre78 250 class.
open meetings will run by gcrs. atm they are year class legal
dont know what the 2013 gcrs will state so wait and see
jim
if i also get my pr60 350 ariel done its coming as well.home made slider out of pre60 parts
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Hey Shaun, i'm unsure as to whether the pre-90 class is actually a title class IN DIRT TRACK, I know it is in motocross but if it is a class and if i can get enough entries to run it..... I WILL !!!, shit i might have to buy a couple of pre 90 bikes aswell ;)
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Yeah Ash Pre '90 is a title class now. See the MOM's 13.2.8 page 108 in the 2012 book.
Cheers
Shaun
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jim
my rm250 is a b motor 77model so it would have to be pre 78 250 or if allowed to ill run it in an open class pre 78 got plenty of legs so should be alright just depends on how big the sac is on the day as to how hard i ride it lol ;D might even have to get the 380 griffon ready for pr 75 opens ready
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Ill be running a hagon bultaco slider in the Pre 75 class, bring it on!
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HAGON 84
will have to run with 250s only plus evo 250 age class and pre 85 250
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G'day Ash and congrats to you and the club for winning the right to host the titles next year.
My personal opinion is that a trials tyre only rule is def the way to go, probably 80% of the competitors do it as a hobby and just for the fun of it.
I think you'll find that if you apply to host both Classic & Post Classic you'll be up for double the permit fee and I feel that you'll struggle to squeeze all the events in, although having said that you guy's don't have to waste time putting water into it so it might work out but you'll have to start negotiations with MA as soon as possible.
Cheers, Steve
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My personal opinion is that a trials tyre only rule is def the way to go, probably 80% of the competitors do it as a hobby and just for the fun of it.
While I agree with the concept in principle, I have flat track tyres on my bikes already, as do a number of other racers so where does that leave us?. I also wonder about the legality of limiting tyre choice in an Aussie title if its not specified in MoMS.........Just thinkin' out aloud ::).
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i might be racing 3 sliders which will have road tyers on the back or speedway .
front will not be a trials tyer.
you cant restrict the tyre choice unless you provide them at a discount.mine will be 23 front 19 rear.yes i know v rubber and others make trials tyres in 19 but that will be 450.00 plus just for tyres no thanks
jim
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Tyre limitations at a meeting can be specified in Supp. Regs, however, for this meeting, MA and the relevant Commission have to approve those Supp. Regs.
Tyre choice should be up to the competitor, as back in the era's represented, riders changed the type of tyre used according to the surface of the track they were going to race on.
Dunlop K 70s are still available.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Foss
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as for tyre choice at temora on the slider i run mitas speedway tyres and i dont want to change them to a trials tyre there not exactly wet weather slicks on motards.
jim look up tumut motorcyles onlione store for tyre i got fim approved 23in and 19in for around 100 each bloody good value even there michellin x11 trials are around 140
Al.
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Don't disregard a K70 fellas, they are very good on slick tracks.
Mark
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My little 250 flat tracker has a 19" Pirelli MT53 on the front and a Pirelli style Carlilse 18" on the rear. They're still supple and uncracked and I'll be using threm to dial the bike in. If they're OK I'll be using them at Temora. I'll also have Mitas trials tyres mounted as I like the option. I may even invest in a Maxxis S pattern if the bike looks like it'll competitive.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/IMG_6126.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/IMG_6124.jpg)
My 360 Hindall flat tracker has a 19" Carlilse on the front and an 18" trials Mitas on the rear....that, of course could change by race day ::).
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/IMG_6033-1.jpg)
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G'day again, obviously we would'nt make sliders run a trials on the front and i'd be under the opinion they would run a speedway on the back, but if we do decide to run it as a trials / speedway tyre meeting that'll be exactly what we put to MA.
Shit Firko i'd love to runthe 18in wet battalax's on my yz490 but it'd be extremely unfair and extremely expensive for everyone else to be competitive with lacing up wheels and buying tyres if that carlisle of yours is'nt cracked ya must've been hiding it in dark corner somewhere, my old man has a few old arrow x carlisle's in the shed from when he was racing in the early 80's....and i don't care how much boot polish........... (worlds fastest indian)............ ya put into the cracks they won't be going back on the race track ;) anyhow thanks to everyone so far for your words of wisdom, i know ya can't do it but we just want to make the meeting ENJOYABLE, FAIR AND MOST IMPORTANT SAFE ;D ;D ;D Regards:ASH
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What about K70s, Ash? they were used to great effect BITD.
http://www.dunloptyres.com.au/dotCMS/TyreDetailAction?website=DUN&websegmentcode=MOTORCYCLE&websegmentcode2=4&mtpcode=80121&from=nPerPage
Foss
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You know, I can't help but feel this tyre restriction idea is a bit over the top. Why bother? After all, it's an Aussie championship, and traditionally people build the best bike within the rules. The blokes who don't have the money or talent aren't going to be the champion - they'll be there to ride and be part of it. Trying to enforce a level playing field is a mug's game. What next - fuel restrictions, engine restrictions, skill restrictions?
Look, it's dirt track on an oiled circuit. I'd much rather watch 80's model bikes running big wheels/tyres like they did back in the day, or US style flat-trackers with Carlisles etc than to see everything forced onto 18" trials tyres.
Why not just stick with the rules as they are?
By the way, does anyone enforce rule 20.2.1.2 in modern dirt track? Note that this rule does not apply to Classic Dirt Track.
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You know, I can't help but feel this tyre restriction idea is a bit over the top. Why bother? After all, it's an Aussie championship, and traditionally people build the best bike within the rules. The blokes who don't have the money or talent aren't going to be the champion - they'll be there to ride and be part of it. Trying to enforce a level playing field is a mug's game. What next - fuel restrictions, engine restrictions, skill restrictions?
Exactly my thoughts Graeme. While I can understand the reasoning behind the "rule" I don't think it'll work in principle. For instance, lets suppose that Jonesy decides to race his 90hp Nourish Weslake Redline flat tracker (a serious possibility), you'd be pretty misguided to think a 400x18 Michelin trials tyre is good enough to harness that kind of HP. Speedway tyres don't work on those surfaces with that kind of power so what does he do for tyres?
What about K70s, Ash? they were used to great effect BITD.
The K70, Pirelli MT53 and Carlilse are essentially all based on the same tread pattern.
Let the racers decide what they want to use.
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I'm with you and Graeme, Firko, If the bikes have to be as per era or year class, why not the same for tyres? or just leave it up to the rider ?
Foss
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Alright alright, I've been swayed by popular opinion, open slather on tyres.
Pack o shunts. ;D
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just to let you know MITAS has just released in the last 3 weeks
a rear 400-19 dirttrack tyre ,should be around $130 , ;)
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OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT !!
It's official.......Purple Dave ( or his new name....ALVIN ), will be returning to Woodlands, after a long absence.....last time 1974, riding the same model machine....SC 500 Yamaha in the Pre '75 class. I am hoping Langy will be riding, so I can avenge our previous clash.....the gloves are off LOL !!
This appearance is made possible,by Freakshow's kind donation of the said SC 500. For this I am eternally grateful.
Once the bike parts arrive, I will keep the members informed, as to the progress of the rebuild.
Now, time to invest in a new pair of running shoes.....the body rebuild could be the more difficult one !!
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Alvin was a pants man wasn't he? ;D
Be good to see you out there, pre75 open is the most hotly contested class though.
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Good news Dave, aka "Alvin", I look forward to hearing as the rebuild progresses, and good onya Freaksta. Naah, Langy won't be riding as he copped a major injury at Muswellbrook some years ago.
EA and I will be at Temora with bells on .
Foss
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Trust me to bite off more than I can chew, Steve.......I will just have to put on my Race Face !! It's all good fun. :'(
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Langy will probably be there officiating so you can always put in a protest about something and have a good arguement with him but you won't win.
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The return of the PURPLE NURPLE,... GO GET 'EM ALVIN ;D
regards Mark
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Alvin makes them sing ting a ling
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You know, I can't help but feel this tyre restriction idea is a bit over the top. Why bother? After all, it's an Aussie championship, and traditionally people build the best bike within the rules. The blokes who don't have the money or talent aren't going to be the champion - they'll be there to ride and be part of it. Trying to enforce a level playing field is a mug's game. What next - fuel restrictions, engine restrictions, skill restrictions?
Look, it's dirt track on an oiled circuit. I'd much rather watch 80's model bikes running big wheels/tyres like they did back in the day, or US style flat-trackers with Carlisles etc than to see everything forced onto 18" trials tyres.
Why not just stick with the rules as they are?
By the way, does anyone enforce rule 20.2.1.2 in modern dirt track? Note that this rule does not apply to Classic Dirt Track.
I agree, the single brand tyre thing in the US is just being put into their All-Star series and has been widely divisive,on flattrack.com.
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I"m a bit slow on the up take on this one. Are we advocating anything goes re tyre choice at Temora because it is an oiled track or does the brand and size still have to be period correct. Didnt make it Griffith a couple of years ago for Classic Dirt Track Champs but understand Griffith and Temora are similar surfaces.
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Col, Griffith is loose oiled dirt where as Temora is hard packed oiled dirt, like Taree is now and Nepean used to be.
From what I can see, the only tyre not allowed on DT is an MX style Knobby on the rear.
Tyre choice has and always will be a matter of personal preference.
DT history is littered with stories of wrong tyre choice at big meetings, it was only last years DT Champs in Canberra when all the talk was that the track would be well groomed for the finals, a leading rider from QLD put brand new tyres on for the finals but guess what, the track was only watered.
Point being, the new edge was useless on the slick surface.
How long is a piece of string.
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Col, the Temora club was proposing, and maybe still are, that the tyres to be used at the 2013 Australian Classic/Post Classic Dirt Track Championships be limited to trials/ speedway type only.
My comment was that if a type of tyre was ok to use back in the day , it should be ok to use now. IE tyre choice should be up to the rider.
Foss
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Received my calender etc from Mitas yesterday and all you blokes with dirt trackers have another choice for 19'" wheels with dirt track tyres now on the menu.
They come in 130/80-19 140/80-19 also listing a motard 140/80-19 & 3.00-21
Looks like a 19" rear wheel might be on the cards for the 490!
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i might be racing 3 sliders which will have road tyers on the back or speedway .
front will not be a trials tyer.
you cant restrict the tyre choice unless you provide them at a discount.mine will be 23 front 19 rear.yes i know v rubber and others make trials tyres in 19 but that will be 450.00 plus just for tyres no thanks
jim
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[/quote, This is part of the problem, if we all only rode 1 motorcycle the cost of (at minimum) a trials front isn't much @ $100 but most of us come with a few old bangers.
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My last time at Temora in 1974, I ran a Knobby on the SC 500........reason why ?.........It was the best tyre to get the beast out of the gate !!......was running 2nd in the Senior Final until that man LANGY caused my accident.....NO MORE KNOBBIES......looks like a different tactic needed in 2013. ;D
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Having a think about it, surfaces are just that. They are/were what they were 10, 20 30 50 years ago and are what they are today. I dont think to much has changed there. My question is, do I have to comply with the rules and regs re tyres for my pre 75 bike for Temora (like we all have been happy to to do I think for the last how ever many Aust Classic Dirt Track Champs) or can I lace up a couple of seventeen inch rims and run the the latest and greatest tyres of my choice because Temora is hard packed oiled surface. For the record and maybe riders in other classes see it differently but I am happy to continue with the status quo.
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That's the point, Col, I'm buggered if I can find any tyre rules in the 2012 GCRs for Classic/ Post Classic DT, only 1 for sidecars :-18.6.01m
Sure, there's one for solos in the Dirt Track GCRs, where it limits the width to 6 inches or so.
Foss
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Thanks for reply/s Foss. To be honest I have never turned a page in the GCR's in my life so would'nt have a clue as to what they say re tyre choice. From memory, normally supp regs put out by prompting Club normally say knobby rear tyres are not allowed at this meeting. I have no problem with that for obvious reasons. Speaking from the point of view from someone whom rides a chookie in the Pre 75 class what we used to run way back when was 18 inch Trials Uni and 21 inch knobby (on rims as supplied on the bike from the factory). Yes we are blessed with more brands to choose from these days but essentially the patterns have not changed. From what I can recall frames of the day used to run 23 inch front (pretty well still no choice on tyre there) and 19 inch rear. Depending on the surface that was either a speedway pattern or Dunlop K70.
Can't speak for other classes/era's but would have thought that if everybody plays the game the surface of where ever is irrelevent.
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Looks like we're reading from the same page Col, I have two bikes, a chookie framed XT and a Hagon framed TT. I was toying with the idea of offering someone a ride , at the Temora Nats, on the chookie, the # 59 Glenn Gall Special, it's a biggun, on alky and it would tear a trials tyre to bits on oil, Slides rode it at Nepean and it freakin' near melted the Michy.
Anyhoo, 'nuff said on the subject, let's see what Ash and the club come up with.
Seeing as I 99.99999 percent act as an official these days, someone's got to, I see too much of the GCR's.
AAh well , it keeps me involved in the sport, Roll on the Temora Nats !!!
Foss
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Thanks Foss for listening to what i actually said ;),
As i mentioned at the start.... WE WERE THINKING OF MAKING IT A TRIALS / SPEEDWAY TYRE MEETING.
The idea was only to entice more riders to ride at the titles without making it ridicously expensive for the blokes without the big wheels and tyres, i am only trying to get some feedback on the suggestion so we know how the majority of people feel.
I mentioned this to my old man last night and as he said "let em run what they wanna run" because honestly it's 6 of one and 1/2 dozen the other, the track will have some loose oil patches as it did this year...... but as far as the 17in motards go, I think that'll have to be pulled into line as they mention in the rules book # 18.5.6.2 on page 168 MODIFICATIONS CONVERTING LATER EQUIPMENT TO COMPLY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED, let me know what ya think about the 17in wheels, should we make it a minimum of 18in wheels on a senior solo bike ?? Anyhow you'd have no chance fitting a set of big fat motard tyres between the forks or swingarm on most of these old bikes, Ha ha ha ha i'm just picturing a bsa bantam with a big fat set of motards on it :D, lmao pushing the tyres would take half it's horsepower, lol
THANKS:ASH
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Ash, in reply to your question re 17 inch wheels, the bikes from whatever era must have wheel sizes that were used in that era or year class so that knocks out the motard kit. I can't think of a bike that was fitted with 17 inch wheels BITD, having said that, someone will come up with something that did !!.
The '80s were the time of the wide tyred chookies battling it out with the sliders, be great to see that again !!
It will be terrific to see Woodlands alive with Classic Dirt Trackers, EA and I will come over for a look, right now, I reckon I'm gunna chase up a K70 or something similar for the #59 Gally and maybe one for the Slider too, as someone just might have a skid around on it.
I see what you mean about the Bantams, but there were some bloody quick ones around BITD, ask Ray Dole !!
Good on the Temora club for putting their hands up for this one !!
Foss
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IT465H ,1981 17 inch rear.
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IT465H ,1981 17 inch rear.
Well, there ya go, I thought some one would come up with one !!, IT 465 rear wheels might be in demand for Temora !!! Thanks YZ.
Foss
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just measuring it up see how big a tyre i can fit in there .
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just measuring it up see how big a tyre i can fit in there .
Thought ya might be ;D
Foss
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Some early 80's Husky's had 17" rear wheels too. I personally think that the wheel diameter should be limited to the period 18", 19", 21" and 23" and allow the 17" on bikes they came standard on. No non period aftermarket hubs such as Talon etc except on sliders.
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Several Euro makers had 17" rears on their big bore MXers from around '77 to about '82. Husky, Monty, KTM (I think).
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The '80s were the time of the wide tyred chookies battling it out with the sliders, be great to see that again !!
Actually a number of racers were using 17'' wets back then too so maybe knocking 17's might be a tough one for Evo & pre 90. I wouldn't allow 17's in pre 78 and older classes though.
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The '80s were the time of the wide tyred chookies battling it out with the sliders, be great to see that again !!
Actually a number of racers were using 17'' wets back then too so maybe knocking 17's might be a tough one for Evo & pre 90. I wouldn't allow 17's in pre 78 and older classes though.
That's the go, Firko
Foss
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In the late 70's 17" rear wheels were the latest trend, I had a 17" Sun rim on my YZ400F
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I have a couple of it 17" wheels, but after checking the price of rr wets you will have to want it bad unless you are using oil tracks regular. :-\
Then there is the fact that most are 160 but I suppose a little shave off each side would do it.
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Prepare the surface for trials / speedway, groom it and don't hard pack it or we might as well ride on the road. 99 percent of the classic folks use normal trials tyres that will look to come anywAy, why change it, make it for the 99% not the 1% its all about accessibility and numbers you need 100 riders to make it pay
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a loose oil surface sounds like the go freaky bring it on ;D. how many bike on average everyone taking to.
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also if its to be a trial speedway tyre meet wat trials tyres most blokes goin to use as in brands and how they would suit temora cheers.
AL.
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I can't see them ripping up their usual track surface for one meeting but that's a decision for Temora.
It'll be a great meeting whatever happens.
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I haven't competed at the Dirt Track Nats in years but if all systems go will be this year (as an entrant this time). I'm a self funded retiree on a limited budget and have two brand new still in the wrapper Mitas trials tyres and an almost new Michelin ready to go and might still go with my 20 year old Carlilse and Pirelli MT63 combo on the 250. However I have no problem with competitors purchasing ready made Maxxis or Dunlop flat track tyres if that's what they want to use. I don't think its fair to introduce tyre restrictions into an event that's never resorted to restrictions in the past. There's more to winning than just fitting a certain tyre, even those trick Maxxis and Continental road race wet weather tyres need some attention before they work properly...........Run what ya brung I say.
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Good to see a ozzy title back with no split ,ill have to get a bigger trailer
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Does anyone know if the Pre 65 class at the aussie titles will have a Pre 65 250cc class or just Pre 65 all powers?
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Does anyone know if the Pre 65 class at the aussie titles will have a Pre 65 250cc class or just Pre 65 all powers?
I reckon it'll come down to entries. If enough pre 65 250's enter the organisors would have to provide a class.
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How many entries constitute a class?
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Bring it along C Bull,Was a bit lonely last year ;) ;)
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How many entries constitute a class?
To constitute an Australian Championship in Classic and Post Classic Dirt Track, there must be the following minimum number of entries that practice and race
Pre 60 :- 6
Pre 65 :- 6
Sidecars:- 6
Women:- 6
All other classes :- 10
Super Senior:- no minimum number
Foss
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so Foss and Firko with wat you's are saying if theres enough entries for the 250 class they will run pre 65 pre 70 pre 75 pre78 evo and pre85 so long as they got numbers and can handle that many race categories. if they do ill be running a 69 mod greeves griffon in pre70 and the hagon in pre 78 ;D.
Firko by the way i talked the old man into racing again this year dont no how many meets before temora but he comin down there with me bringing the 380 griffon for pre75 opens and possibly his hagon 2 valve jawa.
AL.
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I hope Temora aint gunna be as oily as this.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2uzb1qq.jpg)
Photo from one of the recent practice days at Taree, please don't ask me who the riders are.
From MCN mag, via Mick J & Jim G.
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Will not be The Temora Crew know how to make the track good, Knobbies out of the equation Trials tyres will get you around the track
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I have just removed 'chain lube' from my things to take list. :)
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I hope Temora aint gunna be as oily as this.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2uzb1qq.jpg)
Photo from one of the recent practice days at Taree, please don't ask me who the riders are.
From MCN mag, via Mick J & Jim G.
Hollis, Bayliss and ?
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Vermulen ::)
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See you at Taree Grasy.
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To anyone that is traveling to Temora for the Titles and can extend their trip for an extra week can I suggest riding HEAVEN's Canowindra Cup on October 12/13. This is a fantastic event and you can even keep your dirt track tyre on. I rode the TT500 there on a trials uni last year and it was hooking up really well.
Canowindra is not far from Temora and I'm sure Greg (the King of Canowindra) would be happy to show you the sights ;D
Cheers Shaun
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has a decision been made re wheel an tyre set up for th dirt track titles ??? or should I go ahead :D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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That looks awesome Piney, I only thought of it just then but your biggest problem will be is if MA allow Temora to hold pre85 and EVO classes.
The cut off between Classic & Post Classic is pre78, or they might be support classes, but I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want to travel all that way without having a decent shot at a title, I know you've got some good experience on oil, that'll be a weapon.
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I have it on good authority that it will be restricted to a trials/speedway type tyre ONLY event.
Does that mean rear only or can you fit a 19" front, I don't know.
There's my can of worm's for today, go for it.
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Yeah that's correct sliderulz, the club had a vote at a recent meeting and the majority voted the meeting to be a trails/speedway REAR tyre meeting obviously you can run trials or claw pattern or even close pattern knobby's on the front. In my opinion STAY AWAY FROM THE FRONT KNOBBY'S anyway boys sorry about all this but i was the only voting for the oil tyres so it made it quite difficult to outrule the rest of the club, ANYHOW I HOPE YA'S ARE ALL STILL KEEN TO HAVE A RIDE ON OUR OIL TRACK IN OCTOBER..... NO MATTER WHAT TYRES WE'RE USING I STILL BELEIVE IT WILL BE AN AWESOME WEEKEND, WITH A SHITLOAD OF GREAT RACING FROM A SHITLOAD OF GREAT GUYS !!!! ;D
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I think that not allowing Knobbies on the front,
as uncompetitive as they may be,, will hurt entries.
Noel
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how can you not allow knobbies on the front ? you can run what you like on the front Noel. unless someone is messing with the SRegs. Any 19-21' on the front and a trails rear should be the deal.
anyway making the track suit everyone ( ie trails rears and a loose soft top) will only enhance the event and engage more riders to come race.
That rolled black tar is very few and far between unless your a modern DT rider in NSW and then you may as well go road or Motard racing IMHO.
OIL tracks should be like griffith. You club members certainly made the right decision.
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May be Ihave miss read Ash's post?
Noel
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I think you may have Noel, he's not recomending using a knobby front.
I think the bigger question is will it be a combined Classic & Post Classic event, if they run the post classics as well there would be nothing stopping the Post Classic classes from running 19" fronts, at least you'll be able to stop and turn hard.
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I think limiting rear tyres to Trials or Speedway type is a retrograde step for every era, especially for the Evos and Pre 90s, if they run.
Whats wrong with K70s or the modern equivalent ?? or indeed the tyres that were run, on oil tracks, in the 80s and other eras represented ??
Freaky, the track is hard oil and unless the club rips the track , it will probably stay that way.
I have no problem with loose deco tracks or hard pack oil ones as , BITD you just changed the rear tyre to suit the track you were gonna race on !!
Foss
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so has anyone got any ideas on tyre choice for a rear 17in on a 77 husky cr390 i googled it to find a vee rubber trials in the uk but not sure if anyone here stocks it or if its even worth using ???
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I agree totally with Foss.........in the 70's you would have 2 rear wheels, one with a speedway type tyre and the other with a K70. With oil tracks then, there would be plenty of dirt through the heats, but by the semi finals and finals the tracks in places would be like tar.......hence the need for the K70......putting a restriction on these era machines is going backwards. ;)
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I think Temora will be like bitumen right from the start, the only bonus will be that it'll be a level playing field for all.
The original Speedway track at Nepean was the same as the DT, hard packed oil, my tyre of choice was an old dunlop with prctically no knob's left.
Don't use a new tyre for the finals.
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Any chance we can get confirmation on what classes will be included?
EG, Classic only or will it be Classic & Post Classic.
Not shit stirring just hoping to get the final program out there as soon as possible.
I want to see this meeting really kick arse and early communication is the secret.
I totally understand that the Temora club may struggle to get a difinitive answere out of MA but when push comes to shove we need to know ASAP.
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Could not agree more , after the mess of last year .what sort of Bull$%@# was that ! ???
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Any word yet on what classes have been approved for this meeting?
Still a while off but sooner would be better than later.
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Bump?
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Hey Steve which TH is going to be riding the Mettise?
Cheers
Shaun
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Re The Mettise is that Col Evans bike (RIP) that his son Glen campained in the last few classic titles.???
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The Mettise is that Col Evans bike (RIP) that his son Glen campained in the last few classic titles.
No it's Frank Stanboroughs old Metisse that TH bought from the next owner who'd hurt himself pretty badly on it and had to retire. I think the Evans Metisses are still for sale.
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hope it tim he will put a cat amungest the pigions.
trevor has been working on this for a while it even has a return oil pump now
jim
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TH jnr will be the pilot at Temora and will go pretty hard.
Greg Mclean now owns the Col Evans Matcho and should also be at Temora.
Greg is the guy who broke his collarbaone at the Griffith classic titles then broke the other one at last years titles in Canberra, he rode a green 360 Yamaha Flattracker thingamy bob.
Has there been any confirmation on what classes will be run at Temora yet?
Need to get the word out soon.
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Steve hope the regs come out soon as we like many others have to get accomadation,holidays ect.
last year cost us and we never even got there , as like many told of the split at the last minute .
Why is it the DT Nationals are the best kept secret ?
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Dam it Noel, why couldn't you have put them up a few hours ago.
I'm just of the blower after making 4 phone calls trying to get as close to the horse's mouth as I could.
This is not 100% confirmed as yet but close to 99%, I would put my money on this Temora meeting being a CLASSIC Title only event, with a few support classes thrown in.
The other point of note is that it will be a TRIALS REAR TYRE ONLY event, for those wanting to be as close to the pointy end of the field as possible I've been told the best suitable front tyre is a competition square block trials tyre, so leave your 19"s at home.
To avoid confusion please SPREAD THE WORD on both decisions and also if you know of a club that might be interested in holding the 2013 Post Classic Titles, better pull your finger's out.
Hopefully I'll see you at Temora but I'll be on the safe side of the fence.
Thanks to Noel for the contact details so if you need to know more you can hear it for yourself.
Cheers, Steve
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Is this going to be the end of Evo ,Pre 85 ect competing at a national level ?.
Why was noboby told of the split ?.
To anounce it now is a bit late as now another club has to put its hand up if they want it .
Very disapointed once again . >:(
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That's a shame, this should have been sorted last year. I still reckon they can fit it all in the one weekend if they know their shit on running a big meeting. I'm also dead set in opposition to the tyre regs. That's not how our sport should be run. Tyre choice should be up to the individual, it's not budget racing it's an Aussie Championship. As a hypothetical, what if I enter my 750 Yamaha flat tracker? A trials tyre would last about two laps with 65-70 horsepower going through it.
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If it's trials tyres only, then mine are staying in the shed 'cos I'm not gunna rip up two Michy's when a K70 or equivalent would a better tyre choice for the surface AND that's what we used back in the day. Total BS
Foss
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GDR, MA made it official in Jan or Feb last year that the titles would be split and it was the introduction of pre90 and age classes in EVO that made it happen so it ain't new.
Foss & Firko, I really hope you both know how much I respect your opinions and I know what I'm gunna say won't cause a rift.
I totally understand what you're saying but that's the decision that's been made for whatever reason but for the sake of the sport I really think we need to support the Temora club.
Finding a club prepared to take on the Post Classic Titles is an absolute priority.
Cheers, Steve
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Where's Freaky when we need him ;D
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Slides, I hear what you’re saying about supporting Temora Club, but it’s THEIR decision to limit tyre choice, at an Aussie Title, FFS ! and you know what the big Gally Yammy does to tyres !!
I was really looking forward to this years Title meeting , for several reasons, a hard pack oil track with a K70 type on the rear for one, Cody Sampson was gunna ride the Gally AND the Slider for me, for another, and I would have been able to help him in the pits, unlike last year at Canberra when Shags had the water in the ignition trouble with the Gally, and I couldn’t help him as I was the starter for the meeting.
I really liked the Woodlands circuit when I raced there in the ‘70s, plus the meeting was within my reach , both geographically and financially.
Cody has raced the Hagon Yammy for me before, with some success, but it’s not eligible for the Pre 75 Classic Slider class, as it is a 1975 model motor, so it stays in the shed now.
Unless I can send Cody out , on the Gally, with the best chance of doing as well as he possibly can in an Aussie Title, ie with the best tyre IMHO, there’s no bloody point, is there ??, so it stays in the shed as well. Bugger !!
I know that others will have differing opinions to me re tyres, but that’s how I feel about it, right now .
Foss
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if its rear only i can use my 19 flattrack tyre on the front right.
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The contact numbers are now available thanks to Noel, I'm def not encouraging a bombardment of complaints but if anyone feels strongly enough about the one tyre rule then let them know your objections because the sup reg's haven't been approved as yet.
The way I see it is that if everyone is on the same tyre then you've got just as much chance as the next bloke.
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The way I see it is that if everyone is on the same tyre then you've got just as much chance as the next bloke.
With absolute respect Steve, that doesn't make a lot of sense . To say that if everyone uses the same tyres it's going to somehow equalise the equation goes totally against what racing is all about. Some bikes as Foss and I aluded to earlier are disadvantaged by using trials tyres while others will thrive on them. If Fosses and my bike are disadvantaged by having to use these tyres hows that supposed to give us as much chance as the next bloke ??? Another example is Jonesy who's just spent good money building new dirt track wheels and getting Maxxis tyres cut for Black Betty because a trials tyre goes off like a kilo last weeks of prawns after two laps on her. I'll send a communication to the club voicing my concerns later this evening.
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Point taken, not trying to open up another can of worms but were 18's or 19's or whatever size chosen front & back actually being used on DT in prior to 65 or even 75? Yes tyres like the venerable K70 were used regularly on the rear but I'm talking a full Flattrack type set up.
Don't get me wrong Firko I'm not trying to cause an argument, just interested in the different philosophy's.
If there is a growing number of non starters just because of the tyre rule then they may change their mind but time is running out fast.
When the original Speedway track at Nepean was also hard packed oil I found the best tyre to use was an old worn out Dunlop with nearly all the knob's gone, just a thought.
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Steve it's irrelevent what you or I think is the best tyre for the job. It should be up to each individual racer to choose the setup he thinks will work best for his needs within the rules. Your questions about what was used back in the day doesn't really matter as we are guided by the current MoMs, not nostalgic old photos from the day however 19" front and back was the go in the 60's so the only real difference is the tread pattern on the tyres. I used Carlilse tyres on my dirt trackers, especially at Nepean in the 70's. I've used the 19" Yamaha front wheel that I'm fitting to my flat tracker on all of my Maicos since around 1973-4, originally with a 350 trials tyre and later with a K70 and then a Carlilse. Why shouldn't I have the right to choose different tyres like I did back in the day?
The modern style tyres don't seem to detract too much from the originality of this old Beeza
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I will reply to the tyre choice I was the instigator of the tyre choices (at Temora)as I have riden Temora track a fair bit .The modern bikes all run wet slicks (the top few) .What I have seen is riders on trails tyre trying to match the fellow competitors for speed that is when the ambo gets called . We are all racers but a equal tyre choice makes us all the same (money wise & tyre wise) .I have been campaining classic dirt track & premoting the same for about 20 yrs . I ride the stuff so if you want to bitch about it have a ride yourself & find out where the pointy end is .
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I'm in the process of restoring this SC 500.........Can someone advise me what would be the best LEGAL tyres to buy for these wheels for Temora... ??? ???
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Well said grasy, I agree, keep the tyre choice regulated!
Let's not turn classic DT into a circus like classic road racing!
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i think the point that is trying to get accross is
we raced on oil tracks in the 70s we all used k70s as the speedway tyres were not good enough.we used them when the bikes we now race were new so why cant we use them how.pointy end or blunt end if you regulate and people say not going to ruin 150-200 bucks worth of tyres for each bike i have 3 so thats 600.00 front and back at least.they just wont turn up then there will be NO race so you guys at the pointy end wont be there either.
jim
my 5 cents worth
we should all have safty as the most important part of the meeting.
The modern bikes all run wet slicks (the top few) .What I have seen is riders on trails tyre trying to match the fellow competitors for speed that is when the ambo gets called!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is quoted by a forum member and an australian classic champ
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Some of the cheapo 18" road tyres are pretty soft, what about them?
Get the tyre groover into action.
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What happened to freedom of choice here? If vintage dirt track was a closely controlled division like Formula Vee or some production class where everyone must use the same tyre I'd go along with it but it's not and unless I keep missing the stanza in MoMs where we're told what tyres we're restricted to I'll argue for us to have that choice. If the trials tyre is indeed the FASTEST way around Temora I'll most definitely mount Mitas trials tyres on my bikes but...and it's a big but....if my RR wet, or flat track Maxxis tyres work better I should have the right to use them. Next we'll be limiting the carburetor size or banning methanol or race fuel to stop us (or our rider in my case) from going too fast and maybe, possibly, perhaps getting hurt from going too fast ::). It's racing for fluck sake...the survival of the fittest and fastest. There is no even playing field and stipulating what tyre we should use won't make the slow fast or the fast slower.
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Go on then, run off and buy your top of the line road tyre. You may as well run 17 inch motards. This is becoming more like a Labour Party back room. Maybe you should put a censorship on other people's opinions. Ultimately the final should decision should be with the steward of the course. Not everyone has the cash to get rid of their of Chen Shin trials tyres because of a few rants of a couple of cheque book restorers. Am I not entitled to my opinion??
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I think instead of worrying about tyres we need to look at what the split is doing to dirt track .
The thing i cannot understand is we are unable to run classes yet we can have support classes ,as for the age groups ,what a joke that is ,there is never enough entered to have a race always canned or combined . Lets get it back to the way it used to be .
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From what I've heard a lot of the top riders run trials tyres front and back on their modern 450's at Temora, doubt there'll be anything at the Classic titles putting out more ponies than one of them.
Please don't shoot me I'm just the messenger and trying to talk the meeting up for the sake of the sport.
We shouldn't forget that there are a lot of guy's in our sport that haven't been involved in DT for very long and all this talk about track surfaces and tyre choices and ambulances being called if you get it wrong might discourage a few from entering this event.
I should point out again that I won't be riding this year but I will be there for sure.
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Am I not entitled to my opinion??
Of course you are and so am I. I'm merely stating mine without insulting anyone, that's the difference.
Cemoto, I presume your rant was aimed at me so I'll reply. I think you miss my point about restriction. If MoMs told me that I had to run with trials tyres only I'd gladly go with the flow but they don't and flat track tyres have been a part of our sport for 30 years so why the big deal? This is an Australian Championship and whether you like it or not, money doesn't come into it. It's a contest to see who can win with 1: their available talent and 2: on the bike they've developed using the legally available technology and the bike owners skills at setting up the bike. I get a little pissed off at being called a cheque book restorer, for one I've never had a cheque acount and 2: I do all of the work on my bikes myself except some machining, only because I don't have a lathe or mill. You don't know my financial or social circumstances other than the fact that I'm a self funded retiree....nobody pays me, government or business. I do it with the money I worked my arse off for 50 years to get enough to take early retirement, so don't throw that rich boy, cheque book bullshit at me buckaroo. You are obviously not up to speed in the process here. I/we are discussing this situation before the GCR's are written up. Saying that Ultimately the final should decision should be with the steward of the course" is just pain wrong and not in his table of duties. You say that not everyone has the cash to get rid of their Chen Shins is very true but it's been true since the day two motorcycles decided to race each other around a paddock. Back about 15 years ago I was using a daggy old Dunlop trials tyre and a 10 year old Carlisle 19" on front because I couldn't afford a Michelin, I ran 20 year old shocks on the bike because that's what I had but I didn't whinge about the blokes up ahead of me using Michelins, Dunlop K190's or Goodyear S/Ts and the latese Works or Ohlins shocks, I just raced for the sake of racing, not caring one iota what the rich blokes were doing. ...I was buying my motocross tyres second hand off the local bike shops modern race bike team FFS. My whole argument is about choice and nothing to do with safety, or cheque books.
The thing i cannot understand is we are unable to run classes yet we can have support classes ,as for the age groups ,what a joke that is ,there is never enough entered to have a race always canned or combined . Lets get it back to the way it used to be .
I couldn't agree more, the split was a much needed commodity in Vintage Motocross but due to lower entry levels and slightly different class structure it's not neededin DT at this stage. Some folks on here are confused in thinking that clubs are forced to split the divisions but that's not the fact at all. If they want to run everything from pre 60 through to pre 90 it's their perogative.
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So why are the clubs that put their hand up leave it to the last minute to tell us that thay are only running classic . Looks like another year with no Nats for Evo ect .
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From what I've heard a lot of the top riders run trials tyres front and back on their modern 450's at Temora, doubt there'll be anything at the Classic titles putting out more ponies than one of them.
Please don't shoot me I'm just the messenger and trying to talk the meeting up for the sake of the sport.
We shouldn't forget that there are a lot of guy's in our sport that haven't been involved in DT for very long and all this talk about track surfaces and tyre choices and ambulances being called if you get it wrong might discourage a few from entering this event.
I should point out again that I won't be riding this year but I will be there for sure.
I won't be racing either Steve but my bikes will be there with a couple of mates aboard. Your point about the modern 450's and their tyre choice differs from Grasy's (The modern bikes all run wet slicks (the top few) ) I differ about nothing putting out more ponies than the 450's too. I know for sure that Jim will want to race his new Yetman Triumph and that big mother would be punting 65 HP, I'd like to think my 70hp 750 Yamaha Shell would be finished and might enter it......I could go on with further examples, when ridden aggressively, trials tyres don't last three laps on those bikes. Even Jonesy's Black Betty needed a tyre change half way through the program at Wagga. My little 250/360 flat trackers will undoubtedly work fine with trials tyres but my argument is (as well as freedom of choice issues) that some bikes will eat up those tyres pretty smartly.
How long would a Michelin trials tyre last on a 2V Jawa slider? Not very long I'd imagine. I know they won't be forced to use them but I'm using it as an example of how the big trackers might eat 'em up.
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This is why the club puts in sup regs you have to confrom by them not the GCR's A club has the right to submite a submission to MA to host an Aust Title Coist of aboout $ 2400.00 (it takes about 2 months out of our life to run these events, GMSC has hosted two NSW Classic Titles & two Aust Classic Titles as pre our submissions, I did the paper work) When the submission is approved whinge all you want but it will not change . As I have stated before most of the people whom do the raniting do not even ride .Have a good look at the forum comments I think I can see 4 riders whom have a comment the rest are just bike collectors. I only have 22 myself but I do ride them LOL. See u riders not Collectors at Temora.
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Bit hard to go Grasy when there is no class .
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Try 3k a permit Dave, try to run both and it's 6, then there's the around $60 ea rider ins levy.
I'm not gunna FFFF around anymore, these are the cards we've been dealt.
My personal opinion is that the " Classic " side of the coin is in the box seat, we now, finally have a format set in stone instead of it changing every year, let's promote it and make it work.
Any club even remotely thinking of taking on the " Classic " titles from now on will know exactly what they're taking on.
" Post Classic " will however be changing classes until MA decide to introduce a " Post Modernest " event, how many of us will still be involved then? Hopefully all of us.
Here's a novel idea, let's make the most of what we've got, time to move on.
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GDR, don't take this the wrong way but would your home track be interested in holding the post classics?
We do need to spread the word wider than just NSW & QLD.
My opinion is that the split was inevitable, it just happened to be last year.
Was it handled correctly, not at all but we've now got it.
Home track advantage. ;)
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Steve we only have Broadford ,I think it is to to late once again to have a club put their hand up now .
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This is why the club puts in sup regs you have to confrom by them not the GCR's A club has the right to submite a submission to MA to host an Aust Title Coist of aboout $ 2400.00 (it takes about 2 months out of our life to run these events, GMSC has hosted two NSW Classic Titles & two Aust Classic Titles as pre our submissions, I did the paper work) When the submission is approved whinge all you want but it will not change . As I have stated before most of the people whom do the raniting do not even ride .Have a good look at the forum comments I think I can see 4 riders whom have a comment the rest are just bike collectors. I only have 22 myself but I do ride them LOL. See u riders not Collectors at Temora.
Jeez Grasy that's a bit harsh mate, I've been in the vintage side of this sport for 24 years, as a rider, promoter, national level scrutineer, bike entrant and yes...collector*. I've kept my argument civil and insulted nobody but now I'm being criticised by Cemotobull for being a cheque book racer (whatever that is) and you for being a collector as if that's something evil. I'd have thought that seeing I wrote the original rules for classic dirt track, ran the very first meetings for both classic motocross and dirt track and promoting the sport through the media since 1988 would give me some right to have an opinion. Even though I disagree with the reasons for the decision, I'll abide with it and run trials tyres because I don't believe it's worth creating bad blood over this. I'm not the only person to disagree with this decision by the way, There is quite an underswell of discontent but it's just that I'm one of only a few willing to make my objections public and not whinge behind the toilet block ;).
*I stopped racing in 2000 for purely medical reasons but have still stayed involved in the sport when most others who stop racing are never seen again. I'm intending to ride a few club days this year to see if my arthritis can handle it again. Maybe then I might get some cred as a 'racer' and be seen as something more than just a 'collector' :-\.
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had a good talk with grassy last night now i understand the trials tyre idea.its a classic aust championship so it should have classic lines. not a bunch of guys on 17s with wet weather slicks.its the speed factor yes slicks are the best for hard packed oil tracks. everyone with trials front and back will be fair but you need to have much less air. the track is hard so most bikes wont be sliding in corners anyway.grassy tells me he has more tyre ware at nepean than at temora so thats good enough for me.now to find some 19 trials tyres for the front of my champion. a tip how many people who are going have ridden a trail bike on the road with knobbies. it will be the same feeling at temora riding with knobbies on the front
jim
i have changed my thoughts now to be onboard with the idea of trials tyres
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So do I have to change my front tyre as well? And who mentioned 17" wheels? I thought we were discussing 19''. If it was 17" we were discussing I'd be in total agreement.
No more argument from me, I've tried to make my point but I'll accept what comes. Ironically I've got two new Mitas tyres ready to go, what do I have to run on the front now? Is my newly donated K180 Dunlop disallowed?
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Who mentioned 17" wet weather slicks being allowed ? not me or Firko. the point was that tyres similar to K70s should be allowed, nothing more and if they're not classic tyres I don't know what is !!
Me last word, have a good time at Temora
Foss
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If you got the bike ,just go and enjoy yourself Foss
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Naah, mate, thanks for the thought, but I'm retired from racing, like Firko, on medical grounds. I was gunna put a young bloke on my two bikes, now there's no class for the Slider and I'm not gunna put him out there on the Glenn Gall bike with a tyre that won't suit that bike on that surface, in my opinion.
Disappointed is how I feel,
Foss
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Yer pritty much the same ,when a club says its going to run both and tells us now they are not .Very disapointed .
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Cheez, that old chestnut "what the split has done to Dirt Track". there is no obligation to "split" If the club/promotor thinks he can fit in all the classes, Pre60 through to Pre 90, they can submit the Regs in that form and if MA passes them Bob's your uncle.
The issue I have (which may be resolved) is if Classic and Post Classic is run concurrently the indication was that MA would charge double fee.It is up to the club to decide whether to combine or not.
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if it was held at nepean you would have to run a trails rear. that`s the track rules.
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micks
we can and do run usa style dirttrack tyres at nepean kenda ice racing tyres with out the spikes.even motrad wheels and tyres but they get cloged up after watering
jim
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we can and do run usa style dirttrack tyres at nepean
That's what I thought too. I've seen moderns with motard 17" and others with 19" flat track Maxxis tyres. I actually witnessed Tony Garrard cutting the Maxxis tyres for his kids Hondas the other day.
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The issue I have (which may be resolved) is if Classic and Post Classic is run concurrently the indication was that MA would charge double fee.
That's a far more important issue for the sport than restricting tyres. I wonder if Temora would have run both divisions if running Classic and Post Classic together had been treated as one meeting by MA? By charging double if the promoting club want to combine divisions is purely a money grab of the sleaziest kind by MA.
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It really came down to, in the first instance last year, to lack of knowledge about the split, it took some phone calls, from me, over some weeks, for the facts to sink in, re the split,to the organising club and then there was spectre of the doubling up of the permit fees, which was quoted to us, by MA, as $3000 per division ie $6000 if both Classic and Post Classic were run at the same meeting, plus the fact that it would be quite an extended program, if all Classic classes and all Post Classic classes were well subscribed.
I suspect something similar may have occured this year.
What sticks in my craw is that some of the Post Classic classes can be run at a Classic Championship meeting, under the one Permit and fee,but they must be Support classes only, not Championship classes.
Foss
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That is correct Allan but it was only limited to the first 12 entries, With tracks such as Temora, West Wyalong,Griffith,Condobolin,Old Bar, & other oiled tracks there is no need to stop an event to water nor groom the surface . Most oiled tracks (diminissing worst luck) can easy achieve 20 races pre hour .Oiled tracks can host the whole preiod of classic bikes Pre 65 thru to Pre 1990 . As a rider there is nothing worse then being called to the grid then have to wait for the water truck,grader or smudge bar to come out, then be given a sighting lap. This is when the accidents occur inconnsistant surfaces (grippy,slippery). My small mindeed opinion granite tracks at the best can run 10 events per hour on an very altering surface.
RE Temora surface if you run a soft trials tyre it would last you all year as you are not moving abrasive material in which burns the tyre .Lower the pressure & get some grip when the track warms up.
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Spot on with your comments about oil tracks, Grasy, that's a point I pushed when on the committee, lack of time needed for track prep, therefore a faster moving meeting on oil tracks, 3 minutes flag to flag is good going and if ya dont' have to prep , just keep em rollin' !!.
Foss
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At the risk of upsetting someone.
There are oiled dirtracks and there's OILED DIRTTRACKS.
I'm not pissing in your pocket Dave but Griffith have the formula spot on, at the classic title meeting you guy's ran a few years ago I can't recall one stoppage for track prep for 2 days.
The big point for me was that there was still real dirt on the track, it isn't over oiled and hardpacked.
Taree is not a true DT in my mind but I don't want it to change.
Maybe I'm contradicting myself but a track like Taree is a genuine link between Dirttrack and Road Racing, takeing it away would be a step backwards for OZ motorcycling, it has a huge roll to play.
Nepean was an over oiled track but given it's close proximitey to SYD and more importantly the catchment of the nearby Nepean river, we have no other choice.
There has to be THE magic formula, getting it out of Dave is another story.
Imagine how boring DT racing will be if all track surfaces were the same?
Good night all.
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Having a great team of Old School Dirt Track riders is the secret & a great flexible club to work with. Our working
Bees are a buzz work, light a fire at dark then have a laugh,beer & pizza . GMSC are blessed by the older gents in our club . Mick (Fossil)Fallon has kept our club on it's legs.
When we say we are having a working bee it is like a party of busy bee's till we light da fire,Then call a cab to get home. LOL
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'Twas ever thus Steve, differing surfaces at different tracks, ya just tyred up to suit, Barum or K70 at Griffith, K70 or road tyre at West Wyalong or Temora etc etc, you know the score.
I like your comment re Taree and road racing 'cos Dirt track has had some star alumni in the Moto GP world, hasn't it ?
DT's original name was Miniature TT, which says a lot, and tracks like Boxers and Wambanumba were exactly that, miniature oil dirt versions of road race circuits.
Foss
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How come us old blokes get Fossil as a nickname ?, we haven't turned to stone just yet !!, Naah, jokin' I'm proud ta be called The Fossil !!!
Foss
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Alright for some Dave, a cab home from Nepean would cost me close to $120.00, I'd have to camp there, not that I'd be complaining.
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House prices are coming down in the Maffios land .Move to the oiled track country got about 1.5 hrs driving to 3 off the best oiled surfaces in Aust (Wyalong,Temora & Griffith)
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You don't know how tempting that is for me right now Dave.
What's the singles scene like down there, actually don't answere that.
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All quiet here , have we all lost interst .
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Just waiting to see what the Supp. Regs have to say !!
Foss
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Good to see the gossip has gone ,What the Temora Club needs is the word spread that the meeting is a goer & get riders there on the controlled tyre rule . Please spread the word amongst any one going to Broadford this weekend . Temora do have the 2nd Rnd of the interclub challenge on Sunday 7 th of April ,The series has a Classic under 250 & Classic over 250 class. But u have to join the club on the day. See Riverina Interclub Challenge website for more info.
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Im thinking the same as Foss ,lets see what the supp regs say ,as what has been posted on here is not right .
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Firko is still keen and I've just rec'd a photo of what he'll be entering.
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What a shit hot bit of kit, Slides !!,, 22" on the back is it ??
what is it, 250 or what ?? and I wonder who will be piloting it ?
Foss
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Firko himself I believe ;D ;)
But I hope he puts a condom on that stinger.
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Firko himself I believe ;D ;)
But I hope he puts a condom on that stinger.
What for, a blubbering noise ?? That would come with the job, if that jigger is a 490 or so !!
Foss
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Just in case a fellow competitor gets impaled. :o :o :o ;)
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G'day everyone, as grassy said our club is holding the 2nd round of the RIVERINA GOLDEN WHEELS SERIES this sunday the 7th of april, it is run as a clubday series to keep costs down, you can enter on the day and even get a day licence on the day if required. It would be great opportunity for everyone to get a feel for the track and to decide if you want to race at the classic title meet later this year, sign on is 8 - 8:30am any questions ring me on 0431653583........ sorry for the late notice, been flatout anyhow i hope to see you all there on sunday ;D
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I've just had a quick read through of the latest VMX mag and a big thanks to Firko for promoting the Classic DT cause.
Before he cop's any flack I'll also point out that when he submitted that article, he thought it would be a combined, Classic & Post Classic event.
We now know it will be a Classic Title event only with a few Post Classic support classes.
Promotion is the secret to making these events a success and Firko does more than most.
And I'm not sucking up because I have no need to, Mark and I don't agree on everything but if it's good for Short Circuit it has my total support.
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so what post classic support classes will be running? i was just going to comment on the latest VMX mag about the article but if its only goin to be support classes and no ones to sure on what classes they will be ill stick to getting the pre 78 bangers ready ;)
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Hang on what's this crap about all these support classes, we have been talking to M.A. and they have informed us that if we think it's possible to run all the classes on the weekend..... WE CAN !!! and because we don't require constant track maintence during the events we believe we that we CAN RUN ALL CLASSES. Anyhow all questions will be answered when we recieve the supp regs back from M.A. but as of the 23/5/13 we are still aiming to run all classes as TITLES CLASSES, So please stop with all the bullshit rumours and get your bikes ready for an awesome CLASSIC DIRT TRACK MEETING. REGARDS:ASH
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if that is the case all those with 1 pre 78 bike be it pre 70 pre 75 or pre 78
can also run in evo age class and also pre85.extra rides for those with only 1 bike
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Thats great news, sounds like MA have made a sensible decision.
Ash, we need to confirm what you mean when you say All Classes, does that mean all classes up to and including Pre90 and age classes for EVO, or are we gunna go back to Pre85 like the 2011 titles in Brisbane?
Either way it's a good development.
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Jim you can only ride up 1 class i think
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I know I'm repeating myself but is there any confirmation on the classes offered at this meeting?
Sooner would be better than later.
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I was told a week away last Friday .
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C'mon, this is getting bigger than Ben Hur.
What's the gos?
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Bumpety Bump?
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Nothing on the MA website yet, Slides, I've been lookin'
Foss
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Four months out !
the sooner entries are open and supp regs out..the sooner you get more filled class's :P
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Four months out !
Lets hope they drop that stupid tyre rule. There are way more people who think that it's a wank than there is in favour of it but it'll go ahead because nobody will say anything publicly. Our sport's become a melting pot for inaction, waiting for the mythical Superman to come along and make things right. Everybody whinges but nobody says anything for fear of looking like a whinger, as one bloke put it, referring to the block tread tyre rule. The motocross side is equally as rife with inaction, most NSW vintage competitors have known that Kumagutsa was never going to work for the Classic Nats for well over a year but we all sat back waiting for the same Superman bloke to come along with his Kryptonite shovel to fix it up..........Guess what kids? There ain't a Superman, we have to fight our own battles.
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Firko, I've had discussion re the tyre rule with a Temora club member, along with an A grade rider. We both put our similar views on the matter to him, the Temora club was to be informed of that discussion.
I have also expressed my views to, and had a discussion on the matter with an MA CDT/MX Commission member, I did not have my call to another MA Commissioner returned
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be good to find out soon wat the G-O is with classes and tyre ruling make life bit easier workin out what bikes to get ready
one more thing does anyone noi if there is a ruling on front tyre choice to ???
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For christ sake we're all in the same boat, if the MA decide to make it open slather with the tyres, well then i also have to lace up wheels. So don't think that we are holding back information, CAUSE WERE NOT as soon as i know what's happening i'll make sure it's up here on the website..........REGARDS :ASH
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BUMPETY BUMP???????
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BUMPETY BUMP BUMP BUMP!!!! Hey M.A. people need some info.
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Yeah, Slider #29 is almost ready.
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Hi All,
I meet Steve Coates (was president of Penrith Club for a few years & promoted their Classic Charity Meetings )at the West Wyalong round of the Riverina Interclub Challenge Series Dirt Track . Steve was in the same opinion as myself money does'nt win a race ,riders do if we are all equipped with the the same or similar tyres let the best rider win not the person with the money.
Regards Grasy
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Here FFing Here.
I don't GAF if you shoot me but that was a comment from one of our leading Classic racers.
The guy's at the pointy end really don't really GAF and rarely make comment, as long as it is a level playing field.
Go your hardest.
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So be it....For what its worth, a number of pointy end people are against the rule but they're not on this forum so haven't vented their opinion publicly and others who are on here are afraid to upset the applecart. I still think it's an unfair rule but I'll go with whatever is required to cut any bad feeling, I'm tired of being the bad boy by being spokesman for others too scared to say anything. I'm only a fat old bloke who doesn't race any more so what does my opinion mean anyway eh? Sorry. I'll still enter three bikes with three different riders with whatever tyres are needed and leave the 750 at home. Pity.
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Any news yet , getting close .
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Word is, Speedway or Trials Tyre's only, NO OIL TYRES.
Wheel size, as per GCR's.
No word on the Classes offered.
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slides you forgot OEM in front of wheel size.
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both the bikes i want to bring have oem 19" wheels front and back
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slides you forgot OEM in front of wheel size
This has to be a wind up......surely ??? I'm with Jimmy, two of my three bikes use 19" fronts.
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so jim n firko so u lads lacing up 21in rims now are ya's :-\ great way to save a buck ???
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Good news Stev ,Level playing feild ;D
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Good news Stev ,Level playing feild
::). I had a big old rant in here but in the name of goodwill I removed it. I'll probably leave the dirt trackers at home and enter my motocross tackle. It's now down from three bikes to one.
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The only point I've tried to make is that both the Temora club and OUR sport need this event to kick arse.
In a perfect world it'd get full support no matter what.
How much more of a level playing field can you get than a " Controlled " tyre rule? If you're good enough you'll win.
I don't totally agree with the decision but that's the way it is so let's just get on with it.
Looks like the classes offered will be pretty close to the Classic Titles held in Briz in 2011.
I hope to see you all there around the fire on Satdy night.
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The only point I've tried to make is that both the Temora club and OUR sport need this event to kick arse.
In a perfect world it'd get full support no matter what.
How much more of a level playing field can you get than a " Controlled " tyre rule? If you're good enough you'll win.
I don't totally agree with the decision but that's the way it is so let's just get on with it.
Looks like the classes offered will be pretty close to the Classic Titles held in Briz in 2011.
I hope to see you all there around the fire on Satdy night.
The only point I've tried to make is that both the Temora club and OUR sport need this event to kick arse.
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What does the rulebook state on front wheel size ?. I cannot find it .
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my race classes are pre60 pre65 pre70 pre75 and sliders.no such ome rule
as ome thats for evo bikes.
as per dave tanner you CANT crossover rules from other racing rules.
for example,i wanted to use a conical rear wheel on my pre65/70 bike.they are legal in pre62 period 3 road racing
but not for classic vmx and dirt track.
lets all wait for the sup regs to come out before too much else is said
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lets all wait for the sup regs to come out before too much else is said
That's the one !!
Foss
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Any news on supp regs ?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D RIGHTO THE SUP REGS ARE FINALLY BACK FROM MA AND THE TEMORA MOTOR WILL BE HOSTING THE 2013 AUSTRALIAN CLASSIC TITLES ON THE 5TH AND 6TH OF OCTOBER, WITH ALL CLASSES FROM PRE 60 UP TO PRE 85 SOLO AND SIDECARS WITH 2 JUNIOR SUPPORT CLASSES ASWELL. THE TYRE SELECTION "WILL BE" TRIALS/SPEEDWAY TYRES ONLY ON OEM RIM SIZES, MY OPINION IS MICHELLIN OR VEE RUBBER COMP TRIALS ON THE FRONT AND EITHER A VEE RUBBER OR MICHELLIN COMP TRIALS ON THE REAR. I'M SORRY BUT CAMPING WILL "NOT" BE AVAILABLE AT THE TRACK, BUT THERE ARE MOTELS/HOTELS AND CARAVAN PARKS AVAILABLE IN TOWN FOR EXAMPLE... GOLDTERA MOTOR INN PH.0269772433, TEMORA MOTEL/TEMORA CARAVAN PARK PH.0269771866, KOREELA PARK MOTOR INN PH.0269774987,AROMET MOTEL PH.0269771877, SHAMROCK HOTEL PH.0269772016, THERE WILL BE CANTEEN FACILITIES AT THE TRACK. ENTRY FORMS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE MNSW WEBSITE BY THE END OF THE WEEK, WE WILL ALSO HAVE AVAILABLE 2013 CLASSIC TITLE T-SHIRTS FOR ORDER.......................................... IF YOUR AFTER A CHANCE TO HAVE A PRACTICE ON THE WOODLANDS CIRCUIT BEFORE THE TITLES WE ARE RUNNING OUR SECOND ROUND OF THE GOLDEN WHEELS SERIES ON THE 4TH OF AUGUST, SO WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE. IF YOU'D LIKE ANY MORE INFORMATION ON THE TITLES OR THE GOLDEN WHEELS ROUND YOU CAN CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE :TEMORA MOTORCYCLE RACING CLUB OR YOU CAN RING ASH: 0431653583 OR IAN :0419235742
HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL AT THE TRACK :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Great news ;D
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No camping, thats a bummer, a lot of guy's are set up to camp at the track.
Helps keep costs down as well.
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Is there going to be any security so that you can leave your pit set up and bikes at the track?
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MA link http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Classic_Dirt_Track/Sup_Regs_2013_Final_V2_24JUL13.pdf
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So.....can I enter my flat tracker with a 19" front wheel fitted with a Dunlop K190? or do I have to fit a 21" front and/or a trials tyre? I'm having a hard time getting my head around this OEM thing.
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good news finaly ;) pity bout campin it woud be great test out me new bike/camper trailer be a bit of a pain loading up twice but all good
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no camping, is there a school or oval nearby you can sweet talk into hosting camping...... i hope that its doesnt affect entries.
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havent seen the reg firko but the 19" wouldnt be the problem the tyre would be, as its not a trials spec. put a speedway rear on the front and you would comply i woud say, i have one on my FT bike and its works OK, or fit a 85cc big wheel tyre on i think there in 19" 2.5x and comein all mx patterns
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NO OIL TYRES FIRKO, Vee rubber make the same tyre as what you have on the back, in 19in why not try that ??? I like using the 19's on longtrack they seem to give more drive than the 18's, more to do with the rim size than the actual tyre though........ we are looking at camping at the track but we "DON'T" have showers at the track, but i'll keep you informed. The caravan park is only a stone throw away ( WITH A GOOD ARM ) but i know what your saying i have enjoyed camping at the tracks over the years aswell ;)
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I'll just bring my Cheney for pre 70. It's a pity but I'm not going to spend any more money on tyres or make changes to a bike that's 100% legal for every other event in Oz.
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There is a showground in town maybe that might be worth looking into?
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I don't think showers will be a problem Ash, I bet there are a few of us who have camp showers anyway.
Find out if there is a portable shower block available & how much to hire for 2 - 3 nights, I'm sure all the happy campers wouldn't mind chipping in.
I'm in.
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Firko, I love that Red Bike...
Brett
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ho lee fuk ;D,glad i've only 2 bikes enterable (atm ;)),how about hitting up the caravan park for amenities block use,(for a simple donation) :P
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my entry fee for
pre65 pre70 pre75 250 and 4t open + age class= 380.00
as mick says
ho lee fuk :o
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DT has attracted a heap of punters from Road Racing over recent years because compared to the exorbitant fees charged it offered affordable racing.
I hope this is a mistake?
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Firko, I love that Red Bike...
Brett
Yeah Brett, I like it too, it's a cool little bike that was built with the Nats in mind but I'm not going to change it for something I philosophically disagree with. Nothing personal to the club or anyone else, it's purely my decision not to comply with something I disagree with. I want to support the event so I'll fit a Mitas trials tyre to the rear of my Cheney Yamaha and enter it in pre 70. I don't think I can afford to enter two bikes anyway ::).
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You Blokes could complain about anything.
Temora Club has put the great work in to hosting the titles.
Just to be shot down in every corner by the knockers . They are ruled by MA so suck it or suck off. I read all these replies & think hang on most of these don't even ride their pool room bikes just love to brag about how good they are ????? NOT.
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I wish I had a pool room ::)
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i have one but bikes in the house you have got to be joking.lucky to be under cover
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DT has attracted a heap of punters from Road Racing over recent years because compared to the exorbitant fees charged it offered affordable racing.
I hope this is a mistake?
nope,same $'s per class/race as last years dirt nats at couldn'tbearher, :P
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I wish I had a pool room ::)
you wish you had room for a pool room :D, :P
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If I had a ''pool room'' I would see if I could rent it out and use the money wisely, just read the sup regs for the titles (and it will be a beauty, the Temora track will be a great venue) and it clearly states ''TRAIL'' not ''TRIAL'' tyres.
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You Blokes could complain about anything.
Temora Club has put the great work in to hosting the titles.
Just to be shot down in every corner by the knockers . They are ruled by MA so suck it or suck off. I read all these replies & think hang on most of these don't even ride their pool room bikes just love to brag about how good they are ????? NOT.
Well said Grasy let's get behind this event to make it the best DT Titles ever.
I am a little dissapointed there will be no Pre '90's as I have two bikes that I now can't enter. So it's on to plan B ;D
I'll be preparing my Evo 250 and a Pre '78 either my CR125 or TT500 not sure which yet. I have no expectations of scoring a podium in whatever class I ride so it doesn't really matter what I take. Just to be part of the event is going to be enough for me. Can't wait ;D
Cheers
Shaun
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This event is the weekend after Classic Dirt yeah? Damn, no way I can convince she who must be obeyed to go away two weekends in a row. Which is a shame as it's only a couple of hours from here and the RM250 would be fun to circle around on (not competitive, but fun...)
Good luck to all who do get there though and I agree with the sentiments. It is what it is, so suck it up and go for it. I watched a young Qld kid riding around Action Park a few months back - it's oiled dirt and he was running 21/18" and he was flying. It won't be too bad really.
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THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS GRASY, WE ARE "TRYING" TO MAKE IT THE BEST TITLE MEET "EVER" AND IT SEEMS THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE TRY, IT GETS THROWN BACK IN OUR FACE..... CHRIST I THOUGHT MODERN DIRT TRACK HAD THEIR FAIR SHARE OF WHINGERS, BUT ::)
ANYHOW, SORRY ABOUT THE PRE 90'S BUT WE ALREADY HAD SOMETHING LIKE 64 CLASSES WITH ALL THE AGE GROUPS IN THE PRE 70'S,PRE 75'S AND PRE 78'S.... I KNOW WE WON'T GET ENOUGH ENTRIES TO RUN ALL THE CLASSES BUT THAT'S HOW M.A. WANT THE SUPP REGS DONE ??? REGARDS :ASH
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Hey Ash is the pre78 going to be as per moms 75,76 77 models, like it should be or are you going to let pre75's "ride up" as per Canberra last year?
Don't leave your bikes in the pool room, all that humidity wont do em any good ;D
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pre 78's WILL BE 1975,1976 and 1977 models only !!!!!! I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT MATE ;)
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YOU CAN RUN YOUR PRE75 IN EVO
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THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS GRASY, WE ARE "TRYING" TO MAKE IT THE BEST TITLE MEET "EVER" AND IT SEEMS THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE TRY, IT GETS THROWN BACK IN OUR FACE..... CHRIST I THOUGHT MODERN DIRT TRACK HAD THEIR FAIR SHARE OF WHINGERS, BUT ::)
ANYHOW, SORRY ABOUT THE PRE 90'S BUT WE ALREADY HAD SOMETHING LIKE 64 CLASSES WITH ALL THE AGE GROUPS IN THE PRE 70'S,PRE 75'S AND PRE 78'S.... I KNOW WE WON'T GET ENOUGH ENTRIES TO RUN ALL THE CLASSES BUT THAT'S HOW M.A. WANT THE SUPP REGS DONE ??? REGARDS :ASH
Ash,
I hope you don't think that I am "whinging" about the lack of Pre '90's. As I said I am "a little disappointed" that they aren't on the program but that is mostly because I have 2 bikes for the class ready to go. I have no absolutely no problem now getting my EVO and Pre '78's sorted. As a matter of fact it is a good thing as it is making me pull my finger out and do some work on bikes I have been putting off :)
I will be sending my entry in the next couple of days.
Now at the risk of sounding like a pedant can you please clarify the tyre rule for me.
You have previously said, "THE TYRE SELECTION "WILL BE" TRIALS/SPEEDWAY TYRES ONLY ON OEM RIM SIZES" yet the Supp Reg's say "TRAILS/SPEEDWAY TYRES ONLY. NO OIL TYRES. OEM wheel size as per GCR."
Now I know it is probably a typo in the Supp Reg's but as this issue has so far been a hot topic and to avoid any confusion leading to people fronting up with wrong tyres could you please state the official position here.
Cheers
Shaun
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No mate i did'nt actually take it as a whinge it's just a shame we did'nt have room for the pre 90's, the best idea with tyres is put a comp trials on the front and back, no matter what size wheels you have...... i'll be running 21 and 18 trials but if you have a 19 on the front just find a 19 trials for the front ......... CHEERS ASH
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I'd just like to have room for a pool.
Stop picking fights Grasy and PO to the US. ;)
Will you be back in time for this meeting by the way?
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Ash, another dumb question - is it $150 1st class, $30 2nd class, $30 3rd and 4th classes, additional classes after 4 no charge? ie Entry fee is capped at $210 for 3 or more classes? Or is it just $30 for every additional class after the first one?
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let clear up some confusion
Its my opinion that 26 in the Sup regs is not compatable with the MOMs as noted in section 18 and 12. Its my view that this section is in the Sup regs in error and will need to be corrected.
Yes; the promoting club can specify that knobies are excluded as is the case in 99% of the events however there needs to be a reason why (for example) no oil tires on what I believe is a hard oil surface (happy to be wrong here)
Will someone from the club give me a rationale for the position on tyres.
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Somebody at MA must have passed the sup regs Dave ::).......How did they get past the Commission without any of you sighting them?
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We missed it Mark - it can be changed.
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Why not be greatful that we have a National Title meeting with out the split . With all this bull$#!@ over tyres and now wanting to change the Supp Regs to suit a few , why would any club bother .
The way i see it , they are just trying to make it fair for everyone .
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let clear up some confusion
Its my opinion that 26 in the Sup regs is not compatable with the MOMs as noted in section 18 and 12. Its my view that this section is in the Sup regs in error and will need to be corrected.
Yes; the promoting club can specify that knobies are excluded as is the case in 99% of the events however there needs to be a reason why (for example) no oil tires on what I believe is a hard oil surface (happy to be wrong here)
Will someone from the club give me a rationale for the position on tyres.
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Equal playing field ?????
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Gents'
Tell me why?
Its the first CDT meeting that has had the requirement; Im all ears for the reasons why it has to be different.
All my bikes have a knobby front or the option of a 19" front with a Dunlop 190 on it. Been that way in CDT since 88 and never been an issue before but under 26 of these regs it is - tell me why its different in Temora?
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Because we are trying to make CHEAPER, EASIER, AND CLOSER RACING FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE RIDERS, I know there are about 6 people on here whinging about the NO OIL TYRES issue...... but I've also had between 20-25 phone calls from blokes saying that if we allow oil tyres they WILL NOT TRAVEL UP OR DOWN HERE TO RACE (20-25 = majority) ::) 1st class $150 and every other class will be $30 "per class"... the SAME as Canberra and Brisbane so i'm told, HONESTLY IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, GET YOUR OWN TRACK AND RUN YOUR OWN CLASSIC TITLE MEET..... THEN I'LL START PICKING AT SHIT ABOUT YOUR MEETING !!!!! WE ARE TRYING THIS TO MAKE IT CLOSER RACING FOR THE COMPETITORS AND MORE EXCITING RACING FOR THE SPECTATORS :-\
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With all due respect to all involved and I do mean ALL.
This meeting is only about 8 weeks away, I think it's way too late to be criticising or disecting the why's or how's or who's.
Honestly, let's all do our best to make it happen and hold the post mortem on the Monday after.
If this turns to shit no club will be interested next year.
That's been my point the whole way through.
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Agree completely. The club has put their hands up to run the event and they've made a decision that in their view will make it a more equal playing field AND a more affordable event. Their regs have been passed by MA and it's now just a matter of weeks away.
The only sensible course of action is to decide if you want to go or not, and those that go to do their best to support the club and have a great weekend.
The washup afterwards will guide us then for the future.
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The MA Classic Dirt Com never saw the sup regs, there's problem number 1.
Surely the sup regs should be between the Club & Classic Com first then approved by MA.
Seems arse about to me.
Anyway I've contradicted myself yet again, lets move on.
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ALL GOOD BOYS, JUST WANT YA'S ALL TO KNOW THAT IT'LL BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD..... AND THE "OLD HOME TRACK ADVANTAGE" WON'T EVEN BE THERE WITHOUT WET MOTARDS OR "AMERICAN" FLAT TRACK TYRES............. WHILE I'VE GOT YA'S WHAT THE HELL IS A DUNLOP K190, I HAVE A SHITLOAD OF DUNLOP K180'S HANGING UP IN THE SHED BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THE K190 ????? REGARDS ASH :)
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WHILE I'VE GOT YA'S WHAT THE HELL IS A DUNLOP K190, I HAVE A SHITLOAD OF DUNLOP K180'S HANGING UP IN THE SHED BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THE K190
Sorry, it was a typo, I hit the nine key instead of the eight but I think everyone knew what I meant ;). Despite what some folks seem to think, I too want to see this meeting succeed but I also want to see the meeting run under the same set of GCRs we've been using since 1998. While I acknowledge that the club honestly believes it's creating a level playing field with its tyre restrictions, I truly believe that overriding the GCR's with a 'local rule' is just plain not right. I've been called a whinger by some on here because I've voiced my opinion on a public forum, firmly believing in free speech and the right to discuss that opinion. Unfortunately some folks who don't even know me have called me a shit stirrer who's trying to spoil the event and my bikes as "pool room bikes". That's why all of the others who think that the trials tyre rule is wrong are deafening in their silence.....they don't want to cop the same flack. Trust me when I say that many (not all) of the potential competitors I've spoken to aren't happy with the tyre rule. I wouldn't have put myself in the firing line if I was speaking just for myself, I'm not that stupid.
Whatever the outcome, I'll be there with my so called pool room bikes which will be set up with whatever tyres I'm permitted to use. My whole argument has been based on my belief that the Supp regs should follow the MoMs GCR's, It's in no way critical of any individuals or the Temora club and I've not felt the need to resort to petty name calling or belittling others contributions to our sport. My whole argument is based purely on my belief that the GCR'S that have served us for 25 years are not being adhered to.
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completely understood firko :)
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Hey Ash while you answering all our probing questions is it necessary to run a trials front or can you run a knobby on the front ???
That would not constitute advantage.
the curiosity is killing me
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Trials or Speedway only by the way I read it.
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Hey Ash while you answering all our probing questions is it necessary to run a trials front or can you run a knobby on the front ???
That would not constitute advantage.
the curiosity is killing me
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Honestly...... you do NOT want a knobby on the front !!!! Comp trials tyres are the go !!!! ;)
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the curiosity is killing me
On this type of surface I reckon it would be the knobby that would be killing you ;D
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JUST A REMINDER THAT YOUR LAST CHANCE TO RIDE THE TEMORA WOODLANDS CIRCUIT BEFORE THE AUSSIE CLASSIC TITLES WILL BE THIS SUNDAY THE 4/8/13 AT OUR 2ND ROUND OF THE GOLDEN WHEELS SERIES, EVERYBODY IS INVITED WE RUN 2 CLASSIC CLASSES BOTH UP TO PRE 85 (250CC CLASSIC AND 500CC CLASSIC) BUT I'M SURE IF WE HAD ENOUGH 125'S WE'D RUN A CLASS 125 ASWELL. ANYHOW SIGN ON AND SCRUTINEERING STARTS AT 7AM TILL 8.30AM WITH PRACTICE AT 9AM WITH CLUB MEMBERSHIP, DAY LICENCES AND FULL CANTEEN FACILITIES AVAILABLE ON THE DAY....
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whats the chances of ripping the track up for them trials tyres to work there best ;D
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Pitch it sideways earlier and it wont matter whats on the front.
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What's the chances of learning how to ride the track JUST THE WAY IT IS ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Well said Ash , You have a great track no watering or grading required. Just non stop racing. Hope every one gets behind the meeting (Titles) it is a shame the Penrith Charity Classic meeting is on the same date as the Golden Wheels this weekend,(See Kevin horton is even having a ride there). Off to USA on Sunday, hope all goes well with entries for the titles.
Cheers
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Thanks Grasy, All the best mate hope you have ball..... wish it was me going,lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Hotel_Review-g529028-d2461845-Reviews-Patchwork_Inn-Temora_New_South_Wales.html
few rooms left,bbq facilities,& cooked brekkies the go, :P
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Looks like we all have to learn how to ride it then lol jokes aside I'm itchin to get racing down there oct seems so far away to :D :D :D
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Any word on camping at the track?
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Hows the weather looking for this weekend .
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As of 9am saturday morning, the sky is crystal clear...........just hope it stays like that ;D
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Ash im just wanting to no with reg for this event is there aged races for pre78 evo and pre85 as i read it looks like its only aged up to pre 75 i mighta miss read it though ;D hope there is tht way i reg me old man to ride my bikes as well as his pre 75 rides any info would be much appreciated
Al.
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pretty quiet on this thread spose everyones out in the shed preppin for it ;)
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Yep. Getting 3 bikes ready one of which is having a full rebuild from the crank up ;D
My entry for 4 classes is in and paid. Accommodation is booked.
Bring it on 6 weeks to go!!!
Cheers
Shaun
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With genuine regret, it looks like I won't be able to attend the 2013 Classic Dirt Track Champs . I'm especially disappointed because I was really looking forward to debuting my little 360 Yam flat tracker with Tony Clarke on board and having a skid myself in pre 70 on my Cheney. Unfortunately issues to do with respite care for my 93 year old mother have forced me to choose between Classic Dirt 10 or Temora, with CD10 winning out. As principal carer for my mum I have to work my weekends away in with here going into temporary care as we can't leave her home alone any more after she had a fall while I was at the last Buladelah meeting. It's a bit of an ask to put her in respite for the CRC, CD10, Temora and then a month later the Classic MX Nats in Queensland......something had to be sacrificed. It's a bummer but that'd the hand I've been dealt.
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With genuine regret, it looks like I won't be able to attend the 2013 Classic Dirt Track Champs . I'm especially disappointed because I was really looking forward to debuting my little 360 Yam flat tracker with Tony Clarke on board and having a skid myself in pre 70 on my Cheney. Unfortunately issues to do with respite care for my 93 year old mother have forced me to choose between Classic Dirt 10 or Temora, with CD10 winning out. As principal carer for my mum I have to work my weekends away in with here going into temporary care as we can't leave her home alone any more after she had a fall while I was at the last Buladelah meeting. It's a bit of an ask to put her in respite for the CRC, CD10, Temora and then a month later the Classic MX Nats in Queensland......something had to be sacrificed. It's a bummer but that'd the hand I've been dealt.
Sorry to hear you wont be coming to Temora Mark.........as Mia and I are carers for my 94 year old Mum, I know your problem...Hope to see you at Rd 3 of SDTS on 14 and 15 September.......Mia and I are riding up to Harrington pub next Friday, with some fellow Triumph riders, to see Blue Eyes Cry.......Cheers, Alvin
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Bit of a bummer you won't be the firko but family 1st ;) I got the old man on board bringing the 380 griffon down to race to been a while since ya seen tht machine on the track to ;D
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Yeah I thought all would be OK but when the old girl fell over and laid on the floor for who knows how many hours while we were at the Buladelah HEAVEN meeting I realised that she can't be left on her own any more. I was given a choice of the CD10 weekend or Temora weekend but not both by the respite venue so because of my emotional commitment to CD10, and having been to every one, it got the nod. In a perfect world I'd be going to both but the two events are too close together. I know however that my non attendance will have diddley squat effect on Temora going off big time so I wish the club all the best.
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how many ppl got there entry in for this event already hopefully numbers are good and ready to rock ;D
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mine is in acc booked
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i'm in :D,so's bully man John Imrie, Gibbo,turtle if he gets his finger out,herbie??, :P
ps interesting concept in supregs,epa engine mats required, hello, it's an oil track :o
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I'm in, 3 bikes, Herbies out.
Whats a epa mat?
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according to the snowman,theres epa mats at the front door,& one around the back ;),(it's what your missus makes you use apon exiting shed,entering house) :P
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Of course I'm in !!...............I just hope the SC 500 doesn't drop its GUTS at Nepean....... ::)
Me and Mrs Purple ( Mia ) are staying at The Royal Hotel, Friday, Saturday and Sunday night...........where's Langy staying....not at the Royal I hope ;D.........a mate of mine from the DIM DISTANT PAST is doing the race commentary, Peter Baker.......Mick, Darren and John.......my shout on the first PORTS !! 8)
And Steve, beautiful !! ;D
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Should be a good weekend then can't wait just got some new tread for the bikes and some bits a peices to go should be done next week, taking 4 bikes with pre75 guazonni rm125, pre75 greeves griffon 380 open, pre 78 (slider) rm 250, pre 78 yz 400d open bike. Been a busy couple of months with one full rebuild and general goin over of the other three. Time to hit the track and rip a skid ;D
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Any news on how entries are going .
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Only 37 :-\ :-\ :-\ entries as of the tuesday the 10th, very dissapointing but we still have a couple of days yet so hopefully everyone's entry is still coming ;)
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whoa :o,come on guys,get them entries in asap,don't worry about new tyres,1/2 worns the go ;),get the rear trials off the moderns(young guys),they chuck them rather than rotate (unlike like us tightarses),for fronts 21's/19's ,knobbies/trials as close to road as you can, (we're on black concrete ha ha ) 8), :P
disclaimers disclaimers ;D
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Temora club have some wicked looking shirts on their facebook page.
.support your sport 8)
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I thought the entries would be through the roof. I really hope there's a last minute run on entries........
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I got a phone call today from an old mate of mine from my Central MCC days, Gregg McLean from Tamworth. He now owns Col Evans' Pre '65 Matchless/Metisse, which he will be riding at Temora. Another ex Central member, Ray Atkins, is riding also.......this adds another dimension to the weekend for me.........GREAT STUFF !! ;D ;D ;D
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ENTRIES CLOSE TODAY 13/9/13 FOR AUSTRALIAN CLASSIC TITLES, SO HURRY UP AND GET THEM IN !!!!!!!!!! PLEASE !!!! WE NEED MORE ENTRIES :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ HELP MAKE THIS THE BEST CLASSIC TITLE MEET SO FAR !!!!!!
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Don't panic Ash,
We had only 53 prior to closing date when Griffith ran the circus,then the rush happened, shit fight to get programs & so forth organised it will work (ask Mick Fallon our race secretary). Anthony & myself will not be riding as we both have some proir commitments Ant working & I going to Darwin fishing on Sunday of the meeting . But will come for a look on Saturday. Have a fun time great venue & club.
Regards Grasy
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Lend me a bike Dave and I'll throw in a late entry, if word gets home I could end up a single man but that may not be bad.
Sad to hear you wont be riding but fishing for Barra at this time of year sounds pretty bloody good. See ya on the Satdy.
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how many more entries went thru ash i sent mine via email to lyndel for me an me old man in four classes each so hopefully there will be full grids and plenty there supporting it dont want it to die in the ass for next yr ;)
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Lets hope the meeting is all going ahead, young Zac Zanesco is keen, he will be riding Rod Watts latest Yamaha 750 in a real US-based frame.
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Where is this bike based?
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Go Zac hope he does well he and his family are such nice people
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at the track he is riding on griffith
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Are you riding Pete?
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Yep Steve,
Looking forward to it.
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Will be there.
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Ash mate what's the count on numbers now hopefully u got a heap be good full grids all classes if not keep taken entries ;)
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That bike Zac is riding is a beast Redline Frame, Watts Special motor rephased 750cc . We tuned it about 6 weeks ago on methanol it handles like a train on rails.
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Just got off the phone to Luke Wilesmith (Ashes Brother), they have 130 entries plus .The Circus is a goer they have collared event shirts $35.00 each great to see Temora Club get the support & keep the Classic scene going.
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Woohoo, that IS great news. I'd like to have ridden but planned not to as it was too close to CD10. But I do hope to get over there to watch some of the action. Good work the Temora club, I hope this event is a resounding success.
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ATT: RACERS, THERE IS A RUMOUR GETTING AROUND THAT A COUPLE OF RIDERS ARE PLANNING ON TURNING UP TO THE AUSSIE CLASSIC TITLES WITH 17 INCH MOTARDS ON THE REAR OF THEIR BIKES BECAUSE THERE BIKES CAME OUT WITH 17INCH WHEELS ON THE BACK.................LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY BOYS AND GIRLS, AS STATED ON THE "ENTRY FORM" THIS TITLE MEET WILL BE A TRIALS / SPEEDWAY TYRE MEETING "ONLY" IF YOU WANT TO RUN A KNOBBY ON THE FRONT GO FOR YOUR LIFE BUT IF YOU TURN UP WITH A OIL / MOTARD TYRE ON THE BACK, YOU'LL BE PACKING YOUR GEAR AND "WATCHING" THE RACING !!!! REGARDS:ASH
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130 entries is an awesome turn up, congrats to Ash & the club.
Hopefully I can get my act together and make it out there.
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Just got this from Lyndel.
Hi Just doing the riders list for the up coming Classic and Post Classic pre85 Championship and need more entries in the following classes to be able to call Titles.
If you know of any that would like to ride and has not entered tell them to contact me. Have good numbers 100 riders with 181 bikes but more would make more classes championships race
1) Evo 250cc ans 125cc
2) Sidecars pre 85 and Pre 75 got no pre 65.
3) Sliders under 250 only have 2 and over 7 so need 3 more big ones and 8 more 250's
4) Pre 65 class
5) age races in bth Pre 75 and Evo are light on
6) pre 85 125cc
7) pre 78 125cc
Please pass on to all for us.
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I've entered four classes pre 75 125 aged, pre 75 open aged, pre78 250 solo, pre78 open solo, I was thinking about racing evo aged on both my 250 and 400 but depends on how many races I've got already with four classes, not the fittest bloke by any means ;D, what more would it cost to enter 2 more classes a its cost me 240 already? Still I can't wait gunna be a cracka.
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Another $60 will get you in for two more classes, just use them for practice. ;D
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http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=26874.msg300422#msg300422
read all the "middle bits',your age races are not another class!!,(if the bikes already entered in that class),otherwise it's fugging double dipping!!, :P
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i think sliders should be like sidecars and only require 6 ( particularly as the 2 vavle is a very narrow band).... time someone put that tp the commishion to endorse.
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Lyndel listed me as Penrith club......not correct........It has now been changed to my nominated club, GOSFORD MCC......Matcho Mick and I will be sporting our New club polo shirts........VERY SCHMICK !!! 8) 8)
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ps someones sneaking in extra practise,gunna wear the motor out mate ;)
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Racing pre 75 125 and open pre78 250 and open plus evo solo 250 isn't double dipping on any classes match mick just means ill be forked come Monday driving 14 hrs home ;)
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i meant ,as well as age races( in each class), :P
ps aaarrrgghhh ,fugging triumphs
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I was hoping someone would have a gearing comparison between woodlands speedway and Nepean? Are the straights relatively similar in length or is Woodlands a faster circuit?
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Run Nepean gearing and you wont be far off . Like Nepean slow corner entering the straight then on to the straight to a slower left handed over the crest of the hill,then a switch back to the right no gear change there back off a tad . Have fun.
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Where Grasy said "back off a tad", better make it a tad more, straight on is not the best option.
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First example of Grasy being subtle that I've ever seen.
I'm very much in doubt to make the trip down so sorry Jim but I'm sure there'll be plenty of people there to help you push start your beast, until 3pm on Sundy when they're all worn out.
I've got work on the Satdy but more importantly for Syd DT's future there's a working bee at Nepean on the public holiday Mundy.
Safe racing to all.
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He will work it out ,heaps of run off area just look where you want to be, not at what you think you will hit.
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just like road racing will i need my steel shoe or were my mx boots
jim
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Brains, Balls & MX boots
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thanks dave only got one off them atm
jim
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What's the count now anyone know? Should be a few racing they still taken late entries, goin to be a fugging great weekend not long now and I still got one bike in bits ::), just rebuilt the motor in the greeves 380 top and bottom so time to start assembly and and a few laps round my track should be a good thing thank Christ all the others a ready to go 8)
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thanks dave only got one off them atm
jim
ha ha, your'e missus's got the other two!!(err, your balls,& her brains :o) :P
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Come on you OVER 60's with Over 263cc bikes..............we need 2 more riders ( only 8 at the moment ) for an Australian Title......BE THERE OR BE SQUARE........ :) 8)
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C'mon guy's we're not in the Ret village yet, time to amp up the enthusiasm.
Easy for me to say but If I could've I would've.
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Well my Temora trip has come to an abrupt end even before it started :'( , whilst practicing o the weekend on our own private track me old man and a bit of a get off and smashed his leg leg up pretty bad so not only he spend his birthday in hospital in surgery he wont be riding Temora or for some time now probably be in for a month or more, but on a brighter note good luck to everyone who is riding there and anyone who is riding novembers charity meet up bjmcc ill see you all up there with me race face on ;)
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:-X sorry to read the above news hagon_84..
I cant make it either ~~ 5000km ~~ cant make it ....speedy recovery 8)
check this on fullnoise website
Dirt Track News
Classic Dirt Track Titles set to be a big affair
Posted: Monday, 30th September, 2013 : 1:35 AM - - 338 Reads
The 2013 Australian Classic and Post Classic Pre 1985 Dirt Track Championships will be staged at the Woodlands Speedway in Temora on the weekend of October 5 and 6 and has attracted a huge entry list of riders from four states.
This is the opportunity for old dirt track motor cycle riders, and for young dirt track motor cycle riders who can get their hands on old dirt track motor cycle machines to fire up those old machines and chase championship glory.
The championships cater for machines that rolled off the production line last century – split into seven categories from Pre-1960 through to the ‘newer’ old machines.
Riders compete in five separate age groups from the Under 30s through to the Over 60s, while there is one special class for Pre-1975 machines of any capacity with the riders over 70 years of age. That “Super Senior Class” had three competitors.
At last count over 100 riders had entered a total of 171 machines and will contest 198 events over the course of Saturday and Sunday.
Not all classes will have championship status as some have not attracted the minimum number of entries required.
Over 20 Australian champions will be crowned, and perhaps a few more if some late entries can be added to some fields. Competition will not be any less intense in the other classes though, even if only bragging rights are at stake instead of championship medallions.
A small contingent of junior riders is also part of the support program, but they too will be competing on old machines which will be strange to them. The entry list has been drawn from a total of 32 motorcycle clubs across four States.
The Queenslanders will come from as far afield as the Whitsunday region, Maryborough and Brisbane, Victorians from the Melbourne area while two South Australian clubs – Levis and the Mud’n’Tars - will also be represented. The biggest entry list not surprisingly is from the host club which caters for many of these classes of racing at their regular club days and inter-club events like the Golden Wheels series. The ACT, City of Penrith and Griffith clubs are all well represented while there is a sprinkling of entries from Cowra, Dubbo, Forbes, Goulburn, Leeton, Panorama, Wagga Wagga and Wyalong. The entry list contains a real cross-section of riders who have competed in a variety of race disciplines over the years.
Many of last year’s winners will be at Temora, headed by dual champions Ashley Wilesmith, a Temora local, Griffith rider Peter Lee and Dion Prowse of North Brisbane.
Don’t be fooled by the combination of old bikes and old bodies, the racing will be very serious for as soon as the starting gate drops it will be the “race face” that takes over. Competition is normally as fierce as is seen in open competition, the only difference being that he bodies will take a bit longer to recover.
Off the track the atmosphere is special as many riders treat the event as a reunion and a chance to relive memories of past glories, although not all riders have been former champions.
The Chief Executive Officer of Motorcycling Australia, Mr David White has praised the Temora Motorcycle Racing Club for its efforts in organising the event.
Mr White was extremely pleased to hear of the three entries in the over 70’s class. “It shows that classic dirt track racing can be fun at any age” he said.
Further information can be obtained by contacting Ian New on 0419 235742.
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Thats a real bastard 84, please pass on our collective wishes for a speedy and complete recovery to your dad.
Safe racing and travels to the rest of you old bastards.
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On a need to know, why is that Peter Lee's name high lighted ;D
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just is dave must be something in it
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Well my Temora trip has come to an abrupt end even before it started :'( , whilst practicing o the weekend on our own private track me old man and a bit of a get off and smashed his leg leg up pretty bad so not only he spend his birthday in hospital in surgery he wont be riding Temora or for some time now probably be in for a month or more, but on a brighter note good luck to everyone who is riding there and anyone who is riding novembers charity meet up bjmcc ill see you all up there with me race face on ;)
That's a bummer. Your dad's been away from the sport for a long time and I bet he was really looking forward to it. Wish Alan all the best for a speedy recovery and don't feel bad about missing out on Temora, supporting your dad in his time of need is way more important than any race meeting. I'll see you in November at the Classic Motocross Nats.....bring the old fella on crutches if he's moving OK by then ;D.
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Has anyone seen final instructions yet.
Had a look on the Temora web site, with no luck.
Am I looking with my eyes closed again?
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you shouda received an e mail from Lyndel with final destructions on or about the 26th?, :P
pm sent
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Sorry to hear the bad news about your oldie, here's to a speedy recovery. Other than that good to see the 'Super Seniors' event up and going, would like to be in on that, but looks like I won't be on a 'bike for a while, would've been right for Syd. West on the 15th Sept. but things have gone wrong.
pancho.
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I hope everyone making the trip to Temora has a safe/happy time there and back. Go the Vic. boys!!!
regards Mark
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On a need to know, why is that Peter Lee's name high lighted ;D
31 pages says it can be ;) :)
http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=17576.0
Have a fantastic ride people 8)
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Only 2 more days and still got stuff everywhere ::)
Nothing like having a couple of months to get organised.
Looks good on the weather front,just got to kerb the enthusiasm on friday night. :-\
See you all there!
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I've just got three front tyres to fit tomorrow and I'm ready ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Shaun
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If anyone is still looking for accommodation or knows anyone who would some I won't be needing the cabin I had booked at temora hotel I had booked it for fri sat and sun it was 750 for the three nights sleeps four adults, good luck to all riders racing and u best get them tyres done Shaun ;)
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pm sent
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Hope to see some pics this arv of today hopefully all has gone well today and everyone has had a blast ;D
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found this..what a day they have had..fitting it all in :o :o
Classic and Post Classic Pre 85 2013 Australian championship Temora. NSW
Below are the results after 110 races on day one. Still another great day for racing to go.
Pre 65 Open Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 2 22 1 25 1 25 72
21 KURT CLOSE 1 25 2 22 2 22 69
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 3 20 3 20 3 20 60
130 DION PROWSE 5 16 4 18 4 18 52
454 JAMES GARVEY 8 13 7 14 6 15 42
3 MICK JONES 7 14 8 13 7 14 41
46 RAY ATKINS 9 12 10 11 8 13 36
N30 BRETT GLOVER DNF 0 6 15 5 16 31
114 GREGG MCLEAN 6 15 5 16 0 31
33 ROB HAYDEN 4 18 9 12 0 30
Pre 60 All Powers 0 0 0 0
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 2 22 1 25 1 25 72
21 KURT CLOSE 1 25 2 22 2 22 69
130 DION PROWSE 4 18 3 20 3 20 58
3 MICK JONES 5 16 4 18 4 18 52
33 ROB HAYDEN 3 20 5 16 0 36
Pre 65 250cc 0 0 0 0
46 RAY ATKINS 1 25 2 22 2 22 69
N30 BRETT GLOVER DNF 0 1 25 1 25 50
0 0 0 0
Pre 65 263cc & over 0 0 0 0
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 1 25 1 25 1 25 75
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 2 22 2 22 2 22 66
454 JAMES GARVEY 4 18 5 16 4 18 52
130 DION PROWSE DNF 0 3 20 3 20 40
114 GREGG MCLEAN 3 20 4 18 0 38
Pre 75 Solo 125cc Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
3 CLINTON MCDONALD 1 25 1 25 1 25 75 1st
123 RAY STEVENS 2 22 1 25 3 20 67 2nd
33 ROB HAYDEN 1 25 2 22 4 18 65 3rd
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 3 20 2 22 3 20 62 4th
2 GRANT DODD 2 22 4 18 2 22 62 5th
99 ZAC ZANESCO 4 18 3 20 2 22 60 6th
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 5 16 5 16 1 25 57 7th
181 ROSS WATSON 6 15 3 20 5 16 51 8th
72 DEAN ROWE 4 18 6 15 5 16 49 9th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 7 14 6 15 4 18 47 10th
999 ADAM MACHIN 5 16 7 14 6 15 45 11th
184 MICHAEL SUGERMAN 3 20 4 18 0 38 12th
350 DAVID FREEMAN 0 5 16 DNF 0 16
Pre 70 Solo 263 & over Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
52 PETER LEE 1 25 2 22 3 20 67 1st
56 ZAC ZANESCO 2 22 3 20 2 22 64 2nd
333 WAYNE LORENZI 3 20 4 18 6 15 53 3rd
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 4 18 5 16 4 18 52 4th
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS DNF 0 1 25 1 25 50 5th
76 MARK BIRKETT 5 16 6 15 7 14 45 6th
130 DION PROWSE 6 15 8 13 5 16 44 7th
7 IVAN HOEY 7 14 7 14 8 13 41 8th
71 PETER WATSON 8 13 9 12 0 25 9th
454 JAMES GARVEY DNF 0 0 0 0 10th
Pre 75 Sliders Open Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 1 25 1 25 3 20 70 1st
28 RODNEY STUTZ 2 22 3 20 1 25 67 2nd
63 PHILLIP GIBSON 3 20 2 22 2 22 64 3rd
16 ROGER STARKEY 4 18 6 15 5 16 49 4th
50 ALAN PATERSON 0 5 16 4 18 34 5th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 9 12 7 14 0 26 6th
26 JODY MASON 0 4 18 0 18 7th
0 0 0 0 8th
219 WARREN JONES DNF 0 DNF 0 0 0 9th
Pre 75 Solo 250cc Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1 25 1 25 1 25 75 1st
34 EDMUND KRIZAIC 1 25 2 22 2 22 69 2nd
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 2 22 2 22 2 22 66 3rd
184 MICHAEL SUGERMAN 4 18 3 20 1 25 63 4th
3 CLINTON MCDONALD 3 20 1 25 5 16 61 5th
33 ROB HAYDEN 4 18 3 20 3 20 58 6th
382 BRADLEY BURNS 2 22 4 18 5 16 56 7th
61 WAYNE CLARKE 3 20 5 16 4 18 54 8th
99 ZAC ZANESCO 7 14 5 16 4 18 48 9th
181 ROSS WATSON 6 15 6 15 8 13 43 10th
231 ALLAN COX 7 14 7 14 6 15 43 11th
11 DARREN SAXON 8 13 6 15 6 15 43 12th
72 DEAN ROWE 5 16 9 12 7 14 42
900 TREVOR DODDS 9 12 7 14 7 14 40
91 ANTHONY EDWARDS 8 13 8 13 8 13 39
122 RON DRAPER 9 12 8 13 9 12 37
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 5 16 0 3 20 36
19 JOHN IMRIE 10 11 10 11 9 12 34
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 6 15 4 18 DNF 0 33
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 7 14 1 25 2 22 61 1st
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 1 25 4 18 6 15 58 2nd
2 GRANT DODD 4 18 3 20 3 20 58 3rd
17 COREY TAGGART 3 20 5 16 4 18 54 4th
45 BROOK SUTTON 5 16 6 15 5 16 47 5th
126 ALEXANDER GIFFIN 0 2 22 1 25 47 6th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 2 22 8 13 10 11 46 7th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 8 13 7 14 8 13 40 8th
76 MARK BIRKETT 6 15 9 12 9 12 39 9th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 9 12 10 11 7 14 37 10th
327 TIM TYRRELL 10 11 0 0 11 11th
Pre 78 Solo 250cc Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1 25 1 25 1 25 75 1st
15 JARROD LONG 2 22 3 20 1 25 67 2nd
172 TONY LONG 3 20 1 25 3 20 65 3rd
34 EDMUND KRIZAIC 2 22 2 22 4 18 62 4th
181 ROSS WATSON 4 18 4 18 2 22 58 5th
29 BRENT DOULMAN 4 18 2 22 5 16 56 6th
31 SCOTT BROWN 3 20 5 16 4 18 54 7th
900 TREVOR DODDS 7 14 3 20 3 20 54 8th
201 CRAIG RICHARDS 6 15 4 18 5 16 49 9th
667 LUKE WILESMITH 1 25 DNF 0 2 22 47 10th
327 TIM TYRRELL 5 16 6 15 6 15 46 11th
61 WAYNE CLARKE 5 16 0 0 16 12th
Evolution and Post Classic Pre 85 125cc Support Class
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
2 GRANT DODD 1 25 1 25 1 25 75 1st
13 RICKY MCKINNON 2 22 2 22 2 22 66 2nd
252 KEN WARREN 4 18 3 20 3 20 58 3rd
76 MARK BIRKETT 3 20 4 18 4 18 56 4th
172 TONY LONG 5 16 0 0 16 5th
Pre 75 263 & Over Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
21 KURT CLOSE 1 25 1 25 1 25 75 1st
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 2 22 2 22 1 25 69 2nd
34 EDMUND KRIZAIC 1 25 3 20 2 22 67 3rd
3 GARRY LORENZI 3 20 2 22 3 20 62 4th
344 CONNOR LORENZI 4 18 4 18 2 22 58 5th
122 RON DRAPER 4 18 4 18 3 20 56 6th
7 IVAN HOEY 3 20 6 15 4 18 53 7th
516 DAVID LEWIS 5 16 5 16 4 18 50 8th
667 LUKE WILESMITH 2 22 1 25 0 47 9th
16 ROGER STARKEY 5 16 3 20 0 36 10th
69 MIKE JONES 0 5 16 5 16 32 11th
0 0 0 0 12th
Pre 78 263 & Over Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
350 DAVID FREEMAN 1 25 1 25 1 25 75 1st
216 MARK HERFOSS 1 25 2 22 1 25 72 2nd
123 RAY STEVENS 2 22 1 25 2 22 69 3rd
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 2 22 2 22 5 16 60 4th
30 DANIEL ELDRIDGE 3 20 3 20 3 20 60 5th
9 DANILE ROMEO 3 20 4 18 2 22 60 6th
44 JAMIE MUIRHEAD 5 16 4 18 4 18 52 7th
385 FRAZER MILLER 7 14 3 20 4 18 52 8th
11 DARREN SAXON 4 18 7 14 3 20 52 9th
71 DEAN LAMOTTE 4 18 6 15 6 15 48 10th
511 SHAUN CHURCH 5 16 5 16 5 16 48 11th
327 TIM TYRRELL 6 15 5 16 6 15 46 12th
201 CRAIG RICHARDS 6 15 7 14 7 14 43
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 8 13 6 15 8 13 41
42 LEN MACFARLANE 9 12 8 13 7 14 39
155 STEVE WEISS 10 11 8 13 9 12 36
126 ALEXANDER GIFFIN 7 14 0 0 14
Evolution 125cc Combined Age Groups
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
2 GRANT DODD 1 25 1 25 2 22 72 1st
4 MICK GEE 2 22 2 22 2 22 66 2nd
252 KEN WARREN 3 20 3 20 3 20 60 3rd
Pre 75 4-stk All Powers Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 2 22 1 25 1 25 72 1st
52 PETER LEE 1 25 2 22 1 25 72 2nd
3 GARRY LORENZI 2 22 3 20 2 22 64 3rd
63 PHILLIP GIBSON 4 18 2 22 3 20 60 4th
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 3 20 3 20 4 18 58 5th
69 MIKE JONES 3 20 5 16 2 22 58 6th
56 ZAC ZANESCO 1 25 1 25 0 50 7th
130 DION PROWSE 5 16 4 18 5 16 50 8th
454 JAMES GARVEY 6 15 4 18 0 33 9th
Evolution Solo 263cc & Over Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
123 RAY STEVENS 1 25 2 22 1 25 72 1st
382 BRADLEY BURNS 3 20 1 25 1 25 70 2nd
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 2 22 1 25 2 22 69 3rd
30 DANIEL ELDRIDGE 3 20 2 22 2 22 64 4th
344 CONNOR LORENZI 1 25 3 20 4 18 63 5th
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 7 14 3 20 3 20 54 6th
71 DEAN LAMOTTE 2 22 5 16 6 15 53 7th
44 JAMIE MUIRHEAD 4 18 5 16 4 18 52 8th
8 ROY GAY 5 16 4 18 5 16 50 9th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 8 13 6 15 7 14 42 10th
8 MARTIN MURPHY 9 12 8 13 8 13 38 11th
350 DAVID FREEMAN 5 16 DNF 0 3 20 36 12th
17 COREY TAGGART 6 15 4 18 0 33
11 DARREN SAXON 6 15 0 5 16 31
91 ANTHONY EDWARDS 7 14 7 14 0 28
3 GARRY LORENZI 4 18 0 0 18
126 ALEXANDER GIFFIN 8 13 0 0 13
AFTER 2 ROUNDS
Pre 75 125cc Under 49yrs Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
2 GRANT DODD 2 22 3 20 0 42 2nd
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 5 16 2 22 0 38 3rd
4 MICK GEE 3 20 5 16 0 36 4th
123 RAY STEVENS 4 18 4 18 0 36 5th
181 ROSS WATSON 6 15 6 15 0 30 6th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 8 13 7 14 0 27 7th
350 DAVID FREEMAN 7 14 8 13 0 27 8th
999 ADAM MACHIN 9 12 9 12 0 24 9th
Pre 75 125cc Over 50yrs Support Class
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
33 ROB HAYDEN 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
184 MICHAEL SUGERMAN 3 20 2 22 0 42 2nd
72 DEAN ROWE 2 22 4 18 0 40 3rd
14 MARK BENNETT 4 18 3 20 0 38 4th
71 PETER WATSON 5 16 5 16 0 32 5th
64 BRIAN KELLEHER 6 15 DNF 0 0 15 6th
Post Classic Pre 85 250cc Championship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
13 RICKY MCKINNON 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
382 ASHLEY WILESMITH 2 22 1 25 0 47 2nd
511 SHANE CHURCH 2 22 2 22 0 44 3rd
666 BRADLEY BURNS 1 25 4 18 0 43 4th
126 ALEXANDER GIFFIN 3 20 2 22 0 42 5th
45 GRANT DODD 4 18 3 20 0 38 6th
2 BROOK SUTTON 3 20 5 16 0 36 7th
12 COREY TAGGART 5 16 3 20 0 36 8th
17 ANDREW TURNER 4 18 6 15 0 33 9th
999 ADAM MACHIN 6 15 4 18 0 33 10th
Pre 75 250cc Under 49yrs Championship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
3 CLINTON MCDONALD 4 18 6 15 0 33 1st
4 MICK GEE 8 13 8 13 0 26 2nd
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 9 12 9 12 0 24 3rd
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 6 15 7 14 0 29 4th
91 ANTHONY EDWARDS 11 10 11 10 0 20 5th
344 CONNOR LORENZI 7 14 DNS 0 0 14 6th
382 BRADLEY BURNS 10 11 5 16 0 27 7th
385 FRAZER MILLER DNF 0 10 11 0 11 8th
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1 25 1 25 0 50 9th
667 LUKE WILESMITH 5 16 4 18 0 34 10th
34 EDMUND KRAZIAIC 2 22 2 22 0 44 11th
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 3 20 3 20 0 40 12th
Pre 75 250cc Over 50yrs Championship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
184 MICHAEL SUGERMAN 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
55 DENNIS WILESMITH 2 22 1 25 0 47 2nd
52 PETER LEE 1 25 3 20 0 45 3rd
61 WAYNE CLARKE 2 22 2 22 0 44 4th
33 ROB HAYDEN 5 16 2 22 0 38 5th
3 GARRY LORENZI 3 20 4 18 0 38 6th
333 WAYNE LORENZI 3 20 5 16 0 36 7th
201 CRAIG RICHARDS 4 18 6 15 0 33 8th
14 MARK BENNETT 4 18 6 15 0 33 9th
231 ALLAN COX 7 14 4 18 0 32 10th
72 DEAN ROWE 6 15 5 16 0 31 11th
71 PETER WATSON 60 5 16 7 14 0 30 12th
122 RON DRAPER 60 6 15 8 13 0 28
64 BRIAN KELLEHER 60 9 12 8 13 0 25
454 JAMES GARVEY 10 11 9 12 0 23
11 DARREN SAXON 0 3 20 0 20
31 0 7 14 0 14
9 JOHN EDWARDS 60 8 13 0 0 13
Evolution Solo 250cc Under 49yrs Chmapionship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 1 25 3 20 0 45 1st
2 GRANT DODD 2 22 2 22 0 44 2nd
17 COREY TAGGART 5 16 1 25 0 41 3rd
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 3 20 4 18 0 38 4th
45 BROOK SUTTON 4 18 6 15 0 33 5th
29 BRENT DOULMAN 6 15 5 16 0 31 6th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 8 13 7 14 0 27 7th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 7 14 9 12 0 26 8th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 9 12 8 13 0 25 9th
12 ANDREW TURNER 10 11 10 11 0 22 10th
4 MICK GEE DNS 0 0 0 0 11th
385 FRAZER MILLER DNS 0 0 0 0 12th
Evolution Solo 250cc Over 50yrs Chmapionship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
3 GARRY LORENZI 1 25 3 20 0 45 1st
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 3 20 1 25 0 45 2nd
46 JOHN EWING 2 22 2 22 0 44 3rd
76 MARK BIRKETT 4 18 4 18 0 36 4th
Pre 75 263cc& Over Under 49 yrs Suppot Class
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
21 KURT CLOSE 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
667 LUKE WILESMITH 2 22 3 20 0 42 2nd
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 4 18 2 22 0 40 3rd
34 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 3 20 4 18 0 38 4th
130 DION PROWSE 5 16 6 15 0 31 5th
28 ROD STUTZ 6 15 5 16 0 31 6th
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 7 14 7 14 0 28 7th
Pre 75 263 & Overcc Over 50yrs Championship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
3 GARRY LORENZI 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
55 DENNIS WILESMITH 2 22 1 25 0 47 2nd
201 CRAIG RICHARDS 1 25 3 20 0 45 3rd
46 JOHN EWING 2 22 4 18 0 40 4th
7 IVAN HOEY 4 18 3 20 0 38 5th
50 ALAN PATERSON 5 16 2 22 0 38 6th
76 MARK BIRKETT 3 20 5 16 0 36 7th
52 PETER LEE 0 2 22 0 22 8th
333 WAYNE LORENZI 3 20 DNF 0 0 20 9th
16 ROGER STARKEY 4 18 DNF 0 0 18 10th
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 1 25 2 22 0 47 1st
122 RON DRAPER 3 20 3 20 0 40 2nd
114 GREGG MCLEAN 2 22 6 15 0 37 3rd
64 BRIAN KELLEHER 5 16 5 16 0 32 4th
69 MIKE JONES 7 14 4 18 0 32 5th
516 DAVID LEWIS 4 18 9 12 0 30 6th
71 PETER WATSON 6 15 8 13 0 28 7th
63 PHILLIP GIBSON DNS 0 1 25 0 25 8th
9 EDWARDS DNF 0 7 14 0 14 9th
Evolution Solo 263cc & Over Under 49yrs Championship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
123 RAY STEVENS 1 25 2 22 0 47 1st
382 BRADLEY BURNS 2 22 1 25 0 47 2nd
344 CONNOR LORENZI 4 18 3 20 0 38 3rd
71 DEAN LAMOTTE 5 16 4 18 0 34 4th
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 6 15 5 16 0 31 5th
385 FRAZER MILLER 8 13 7 14 0 27 6th
45 BROOK SUTTON 10 11 6 15 0 26 7th
91 ANTHONY EDWARDS 9 12 8 13 0 25 8th
350 DAVID FREEMAN 3 20 DNF 0 0 20 9th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 7 14 0 0 14 10th
Evolution Solo 263cc & Over . Over 50 yrs Championship
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
216 MARK HERFOSS 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
3 GARRY LORENZI 2 22 2 22 0 44 2nd
8 ROY GAY 4 18 3 20 0 38 3rd
11 DARREN SAXON 3 20 4 18 0 38 4th
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 5 16 5 16 0 32 5th
8 MARTIN MURPHY 6 15 6 15 0 30 6th
42 LEN MACFARLANE 7 14 7 14 0 28 7th
155 STEVE WEISS 8 13 8 13 0 26 8th
Pre75.70yrs+ Super Senior Class All Powers
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
19 JOHN IMRIE 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
46 RAY ATKINS 3 20 3 20 0 40 2nd
118 BILL MITCHELL 2 22 2 22 0 44 3rd
2013 Australian Classic &Post Classic Pre 85 Dirt Track Championships
Pre 78 125cc Support Class
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1 25 1 0 0 25 1st
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 2 22 2 0 0 22 2nd
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 3 20 3 0 0 20 3rd
13 DON THORNTON 4 18 4 0 0 18 4th
Pre85 Sidecars up to 1300cc
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
33 ROBERT DAVIDSON 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
SHANE SEARLE
341 SCOTT SANDOW 2 22 2 22 0 44 2nd
WAYNE O"MELEY
533 ROD WATTS 3 20 3 20 0 40 3rd
DARREN DRUITT
0 0 0 0 4th
Post Classic Pre 85 263cc & Over Championships
Bike No Name Rd 1 Points Rd 2 Points Rd 3 Points Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1 25 1 25 0 50 1st
344 CONNOR LORENZI 2 22 1 25 0 47 2nd
123 RAY STEVENS 1 25 4 18 0 43 3rd
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 2 22 3 20 0 42 4th
382 BRADLEY BURNS 3 20 2 22 0 42 5th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 5 16 2 22 0 38 6th
26 JODY MASON 3 20 5 16 0 36 7th
44 JAMIE MUIRHEAD 4 18 4 18 0 36 8th
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 6 15 3 20 0 35 9th
11 DARREN SAXON 4 18 6 15 0 33 10th
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 6 15 6 15 0 30 11th
8 ROY GAY 7 14 5 16 0 30 12TH
17 COREY TAGGART 5 16 0 0 16
45 BROOK SUTTON 7 14 0 0 14
42 LEN MACFARLANE 8 13 0 0 13
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Pics Please!
cheers
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Well done Shaun,
Great effort mate! 1st in the EVO 250cc
Cheers
Ando
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Thanks go to
Lyndel Butler 8) 8)
Results for the 2013 Australian Classic Champions
held at Temora 198 races over 2 days a great weekend of racing.
Great job Temora Motorcycle Racing Club.
Classes with finals
Pre 75 125cc Championship
No Name Final Places
3 CLINTON MCDONALD 1st
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 2nd
123 RAY STEVENS 3rd
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 4th
99 ZAC ZANESCO 5th
2 GRANT DODD 6th
72 DEAN ROWE 7th
33 ROB HAYDEN 8th
999 ADAM MACHIN 9th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 10th
Pre 78 250cc Championship
No Name Final Places
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1st
34 EDMUND KRIZAIC 2nd
667 LUKE WILESMITH 3rd
29 BRENT DOULMAN 4th
15 JARROD LONG 5th
327 TIM TYRRELL 6th
900 TREVOR DODDS 7th
181 ROSS WATSON 8th
31 SCOTT BROWN DNF
172 TONY LONG DNS
201 CRAIG RICHARDS DNS
61 WAYNE CLARKE DNS
Pre 75 263 & Over cc Championship
No Name Final Places
21 KURT CLOSE 1
3 GARRY LORENZI 2
667 LUKE WILESMITH 3
34 DAMIEN KRIZAIC 4
344 CONNOR LORENZI 5
7 IVAN HOEY 6
516 DAVID LEWIS 7
122 RON DRAPER 8
69 MIKE JONES 9
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS DNF
16 ROGER STARKEY DNS
Pre 78 263 & Over cc Championship
No Name Final Places
216 MARK HERFOSS 1st
350 DAVID FREEMAN 2nd
123 RAY STEVENS 3rd
30 DANIEL ELDRIDGE 4th
511 SHAUN CHURCH 5th
44 JAMIE MUIRHEAD 6th
9 DANILE ROMEO 7th
385 FRAZER MILLER 8th
327 TIM TYRRELL 9th
71 DEAN LAMOTTE 10th
11 DARREN SAXON 11th
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS DNF
Pre 75 4Stk All Powers Championship
No Name Final Places
56 ZAC ZANESCO 1st
3 GARRY LORENZI 2nd
52 PETER LEE 3rd
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 4th
69 MIKE JONES 5th
454 JAMES GARVEY 6th
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS DNF
63 PHILLIP GIBSON DNF
Evo 263 over cc Championship
No Name Final Places
382 BRADLEY BURNS 1st
123 RAY STEVENS 2nd
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 3rd
350 DAVID FREEMAN 4th
344 CONNOR LORENZI 5th
44 JAMIE MUIRHEAD 6th
71 DEAN LAMOTTE 7th
30 DANIEL ELDRIDGE 8th
8 ROY GAY 9th
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 10th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 11th
Post Classic 85 250cc Championship
No Name Final Places
126 ALEXANDER GIFFIN 1st
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 2nd
2 GRANT DODD 3rd
13 RICKY MCKINNON 4th
17 COREY TAGGART 5th
511 SHANE CHURCH 6th
382 BRADLEY BURNS 7th
45 BROOK SUTTON 8th
999 ADAM MACHIN 9th
12 ANDREW TURNER 10th
Pre75 Over 50yrs Championship
No Name Final Places
184 MICHAEL SUGERMAN 1st
3 GARRY LORENZI 2nd
55 DENNIS WILESMITH 3rd
61 WAYNE CLARKE 4th
33 ROB HAYDEN 5th
52 PETER LEE 6th
14 MARK BENNETT 7th
11 DARREN SAXON 8th
231 ALLAN COX 9th
72 DEAN ROWE 10th
71 PETER WATSON 60 11th
333 WAYNE LORENZI DNS
Pre75 263 Over Over 50yrs Championship
No Name Final Places
3 GARRY LORENZI 1st
52 PETER LEE 2nd
46 JOHN EWING 3rd
201 CRAIG RICHARDS 4th
50 ALAN PATERSON 5th
55 DENNIS WILESMITH DNS
76 MARK BIRKETT DNS
7 IVAN HOEY DNS
333 WAYNE LORENZI DNS
16 ROGER STARKEY DNS
PC Pre 85 263 & Over Championship
No Name Final Places
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 1st
344 CONNOR LORENZI 2nd
123 RAY STEVENS 3rd
382 BRADLEY BURNS 4th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 5th
8 ROY GAY 6th
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 7th
11 DARREN SAXON 8th
44 JAMIE MUIRHEAD 9th
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 10th
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 11th
Classes over points.
Pre 65 Open Championships
Bike No Name Total Points Place
21 KURT CLOSE 119 1st
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 102 2nd
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 94 3rd
130 DION PROWSE 90
454 JAMES GARVEY 73
3 MICK JONES 70
114 GREGG MCLEAN 49
46 RAY ATKINS 36
N30 BRETT GLOVER 31
33 ROB HAYDEN 30
Pre 70 Solo 263 & over Championships
Bike No Name Total Points Place
52 PETER LEE 114 1st
56 ZAC ZANESCO 107 2nd
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 94 3rd
7 IVAN HOEY 77 4th
76 MARK BIRKETT 63 5th
333 WAYNE LORENZI 53 6th
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 50 7th
130 DION PROWSE 44 8th
71 PETER WATSON 25 9th
Pre 75 Sliders Open Championships
Bike No Name Total Points Place
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 115 1st
28 RODNEY STUTZ 114 2nd
63 PHILLIP GIBSON 106 3rd
16 ROGER STARKEY 81 4th
50 ALAN PATERSON 70 5th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 26 6th
26 JODY MASON 18 7th
219 WARREN JONES 0 8th
Evolution Solo 250cc Championship
Bike No Name Total Points Place
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 103 1st
17 COREY TAGGART 99 2nd
126 ALEXANDER GIFFIN 94 3rd
2 GRANT DODD 94 4th
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 88 5th
45 BROOK SUTTON 77 6th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 75 7th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 64 8th
76 MARK BIRKETT 63 9th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 40 10th
327 TIM TYRRELL 11 11th
Evolution and Post Classic Pre 85 125cc Support Class
Bike No Name Total Points Place
2 GRANT DODD 125 1st
13 RICKY MCKINNON 110 2nd
252 KEN WARREN 98 3rd
76 MARK BIRKETT 74 4th
172 TONY LONG 16 5th
Evolution 125cc Combined Age Groups
Bike No Name Total Points Place
2 GRANT DODD 122 1st
4 MICK GEE 110 2nd
252 KEN WARREN 100 3rd
Pre 75 125cc Under 49yrs Championships
Bike No Name Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 115 1st
2 GRANT DODD 111 2nd
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 105 3rd
123 RAY STEVENS 84 4th
181 ROSS WATSON 81 5th
999 ADAM MACHIN 65 6th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 61 7th
350 DAVID FREEMAN 55 8th
4 MICK GEE 50 9th
Pre 75 125cc Over 50yrs Support Class
Bike No Name Total Points Place
33 ROB HAYDEN 122 1st
184 MICHAEL SUGERMAN 109 2nd
14 MARK BENNETT 93 3rd
71 PETER WATSON 84 4th
72 DEAN ROWE 78 5th
64 BRIAN KELLEHER 64 6th
Pre 75 250cc Under 49yrs Championship
Bike No Name Total Points Place
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 125 1st
34 EDMUND KRAZIAIC 106 2nd
39 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 104 3rd
382 BRADLEY BURNS 81 4th
667 LUKE WILESMITH 78 5th
9 BRADLEY EDWARDS 69 6th
3 CLINTON MCDONALD 63 7th
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 44 8th
91 ANTHONY EDWARDS 31 9th
4 MICK GEE 26 10th
385 FRAZER MILLER 23 11th
344 CONNOR LORENZI 14 12th
Evolution Solo 250cc Under 49yrs Chmapionship
Bike No Name Total Points Place
17 COREY TAGGART 111 1st
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 111 2nd
29 BRENT DOULMAN 94 3rd
2 GRANT DODD 91 4th
75 STEVE BATCHELOR 82 5th
45 BROOK SUTTON 81 6th
44 DOUG HAYDEN 68 7th
12 ANDREW TURNER 60 8th
9 PAUL EDWARDS 59 9th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 39 10th
4 MICK GEE 0 11th
385 FRAZER MILLER 0 12th
Evolution Solo 250cc Over 50yrs Chmapionship
Bike No Name Total Points Place
3 GARRY LORENZI 117 1st
46 JOHN EWING 108 2nd
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 108 3rd
76 MARK BIRKETT 92 4th
Pre 75 263cc& Over Under 49 yrs Suppot Class
Bike No Name Total Points Place
21 KURT CLOSE 125 1st
667 LUKE WILESMITH 104 2nd
34 DAMIEN KRAZIAIC 97 3rd
70 BRIAN KELLEHER JNR 79 4th
23 GRAHAM ROBERTS 78 5th
28 ROD STUTZ 61 6th
130 DION PROWSE 47 7th
Pre 75 263cc& Over. Over 60 yrs Suppot Class
Bike No Name Total Points Place
66 GEOFFREY MARTIN 122 1st
122 RON DRAPER 92 2nd
63 PHILLIP GIBSON 91 3rd
516 DAVID LEWIS 84 4th
64 BRIAN KELLEHER 79 5th
114 GREGG MCLEAN 75 6th
69 MIKE JONES 74 7th
9 EDWARDS 43 8th
71 PETER WATSON 28 9th
Evolution Solo 263cc & Over Under 49yrs Championship
Bike No Name Total Points Place
382 BRADLEY BURNS 119 1st
123 RAY STEVENS 112 2nd
344 CONNOR LORENZI 102 3rd
71 DEAN LAMOTTE 86 4th
31 BRADLEY EDWARDS 80 5th
385 FRAZER MILLER 55 6th
91 ANTHONY EDWARDS 50 7th
74 KURT LANGEBECK 45 8th
45 BROOK SUTTON 39 9th
350 DAVID FREEMAN 35 10th
172 TONY LONG 0 11th
198 GREG MCKINNON 0 12th
Evolution Solo 263cc & Over . Over 50 yrs Championship
Bike No Name Total Points Place
216 MARK HERFOSS 122 1st
3 GARRY LORENZI 111 2nd
8 ROY GAY 94 3rd
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 86 4th
8 MARTIN MURPHY 78 5th
11 DARREN SAXON 74 6th
155 STEVE WEISS 69 7th
42 LEN MACFARLANE 28 8th
Pre75.70yrs+ Super Senior Class All Powers
Bike No Name Total Points Place
19 JOHN IMRIE 125 1st
118 BILL MITCHELL 110 2nd
46 RAY ATKINS 80 3rd
2013 Australian Classic &Post Classic Pre 85 Dirt Track Championships
Pre 78 125cc Support Class
Bike No Name Total Points Place
73 PHILLIP IVANOFF 116 1st
13 DON THORNTON 100 2nd
666 ASHLEY WILESMITH 75 3rd
19 SHAUN GALLAWAY 58 4th
Pre85 Sidecars up to 1300cc
Bike No Name Total Points Place
33 ROBERT DAVIDSON 122 1st
SHANE SEARLE
341 SCOTT SANDOW 111 2nd
WAYNE O"MELEY
533 ROD WATTS 102 3rd
DARREN DRUITT
Juniors
Bike No Name Total Points
9 TOM EDWARDS 237
82 CALLUM MORTON 9/13 215
86 JOSH DOMINELLO 9/13 209
1 BREUST PRESTON 164
217 DEREK HINGERTY 9/13 146
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13 TOM MORTON 13/16 233
34 JAKE MITCHELL 13/16 228
666 RYAN NEW 13/16 169
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I may have missed other forum racers but it's good to see Shaun Galloway win 250 Evo Peter lee in pre 70. Ashley Wilesmith with a couple of classes and Jimmy seemed to go well with a 5th in pre 65 on the beast. I'd have really liked to have been there.
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The battle for the 4-Stroke All-Powers.
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Garry Lorenzi earned every title he won, here some idiot(me) does a wheelie and comes down on top of him, hurt him a bit I'm sure. Still lined up for the restart and took out the title, well done mate.
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Superman on the parade lap, good crowd and track looked a treat. Well Done Temora.
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Superman races Classic Dirt Track! Lucky enough to have him in my pit and he never lost a race.
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Ray Atkins! Good onya mate! Wish I was there!
cheers pancho
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Just got off the phone from the Daily Planet, they were wondering why Superman had no cape, well it got caught in the back wheel on the parade lap and nearly pulled his head off, lucky he is a tough nut.
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Superman intimidates officials on the dummy grid.
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This bloke took a swing at Superman in the pits, sidecar racers are pretty dumb, he broke his hand! Rocket Rod Watts without his overalls.
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Another shot of Garry Lorenzi, apparently broke his hand in the incident. Amazing.
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Looks like you guy's had a ball as always, sorry I missed out this year.
Rod ( Lex Luthor ) Watts.
Did you have to wear a cod piece Pete?
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Jimmy (Joker) on the Yetman.
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Great pic of Bro Jim, Pete. It's been a loooong time since that race number has been skidding around Temora, Onya, Jim
Foss
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One of the best feelings in racing, coming back to the pits after being lucky enough to win, the look on their faces says it all.
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geezas,what a difference the lack of a water truck makes!!,talk about smooth running,Temora guys done real good bigtime,amazed at it's their 1st National titles ever in 45 odd years,awesome guys,we all had fun bigtime,congrats to all the winners,(but everyone was grinning 8)),a big thanks to the marshall got a tad warm out there i'd imagine,Tim for a steady hand/eye on proceedings,(didn't miss no argy bargy ;)),Lyndel for smooth paperwork,(i'll get over the extra $60 ;)),the brothers Grimm,for their total understanding,Langy for the velo clutch tips ::),Teresa at the "patch" for the country hospitality,Alex diffins dad for the fuel line for my van in town,& the Roberts family diagnostics (post race dramas,"can anyone smell petrol??"),yep fat time at Temora had by all 8) 8) 8), :P
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(quote from peter baker. Just one race had to be restarted after two riders collided soon after the start. ) that couldnt have been you now mr lee could it ::)
well done to all the riders who raced sounds like it was a cracker some good pics to pete.
Al.
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Congratulations to everyone involved with the Temora Nats. It's great to hear that everything went off well and nobody ended up too badly scratched up. Where is it next year? I'd love to see it at Nepean more sooner than later.
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or up coffs that way i got an hr to travel and a home track advantage ::) ;D
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mick you forgot to say how great the racing was mostly the pre65 races.that velo of grahams flys the one you were on is good but not a s good as the yetman triumph
then there is next year.
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Good work Jimmy....5th place against those blokes is pretty good, especially seeing you're still coming to grips with the beast.
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not bad for first ride ever on it and its first outing since 1992 lots of tuning to do ran rich as s t and needs rear wheel sorted sometimes i only had front brake
jim
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A great weekend of racing after a tender start as the track was super slippery straight up and I dont think that I could have asked for more from the event, (other than some better results)
One of the highlights of the weekend was an unbeleivable save from Mr Ivanoff right in front of me, who had the honda at full locck, leg stretched back past the rear wheel and rode it out for almost the whole top corner to the next and recovering.
How he stayed on has got me stuffed.
Should only take a week for the liver to heal. ;)
Met some great blokes from all over the place, hope everyone got home incident free.
Congratulations to the winners, they earned it!
Mick, don't forget Jims driving glasses next trip. ;D ;D :P
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What a Great Meeting...........after a slow start, I started to come to grips with the SC 500.......the bike performed well....the rider needs some work... :P
Having said that, I was pipped on the line for 6th place in the Pre '75 Final, by Ivan Hoey on his 650 Yammy and managed 4th outright in the Over 60's........ :)
The only photos I've seen so far were taken by The Griffith Mafia......... 8)
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As long as the body came home in one peice Dave.
Objective #1 achieved.
Great photo's, wishing I was there.
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Yeah Steve, you missed A GOOD ONE.........and my old mate, Peter Baker, did a FANTASTIC job commentating the meeting too...The atmosphere was great all weekend....... ;D
Gregg McLean and I had some great battles throughout the weekend........and many more to come, I hope... ;D
Here he is making some ADJUSTMENTS to Col Evan's old Matcho/Metisse, with Mrs Purple looking on..... :)
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ACTION CENTRAL !! ::)
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A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL THE RIDERS FRIENDS AND FAMILIES THAT SUPPORTED THE 2013 CLASSIC TITLES LAST WEEKEND AT THE WOODLANDS SPEEDWAY AT TEMORA, IN MY OPINION I'VE NEVER MET SUCH A FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE AT A RACE MEETING AS I DID LAST WEEKEND, WITH I THINK ABOUT 131 RIDERS INVOLVED "EVERYBODY" HAD ATLEAST 130 GOOD FRIENDS AROUND THEM, PLUS SOME AWESOME RACING IN MOST OF THE CLASSES SURE DID KEEP THE SPECTATORS ON THERE FEET.......... HATS OFF TO ALL MY NEW FRIENDS, AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU "ALL" BACK AT WOODLANDS CIRCUIT REAL SOON : REGARDS ASH
PS 100 LAP POSTY CHALLENGE ON SUNDAY THE 27TH OF OCTOBER PLUS CLUB DAY, WITH 250 AND 500 CLASSIC CLASSES ON THE DAY, EVERYONE IS MORE THAN WELCOME, COME CHECK OUT THE POSTY RACE #### YOU'LL NEVER SEE AUSTRALIA POST BIKES DELIVERING MAIL THIS QUICK !!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Ash
You and your club did a fantastic job of running the event. 198 races in two days even with a lunch break both days! The event ran like clockwork. To all the flaggies, start line officials, lap scorers and canteen workers well done you did you club proud.
Also a mention to the hard working meeting officials. Lyndel and Daryl Butler, The Morgan Bros, Tim Sanford and Langy. Well done on yet another great title meeting.
Cheers
Shaun
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Shaun's a Winner !!!..... ;)
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Lyndel's input.......Smooth as Silk !!....... 8)
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Matcho Mick.....On Fire !!..... :D
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Sorelegs11,,,,,Doing the Business !!........ :)
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The Super Seventies !!..... 8)
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The Griffith Mafia !!.......Well Done 52 !!..... ;D
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Alvin Returns !! ( after 39 LONG years )....... ??? ::)
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The Super Seventies !!..... 8)
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YEAHA!!
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Preparing for the start of the Pre '75 Over 263cc Final...........after a slow start, I had a good dice for 6th place with No 7, Ivan Hoey on his 650 Yamaha Methanol Burner.......
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Early in the race.......that's Ivan's back wheel in front of me......
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Last lap I took him on the right hander before this corner, however, he pipped me on the finish line for 6th place. Those 650s have plenty of GRUNT in a straight line....... :P
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A pic of Graham Roberts, rides like a demon. Might have to make the Yamaha bigger.
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That he does Pete, I saw he was the overnight leader of 3 classes until he sent the Velo cartwheeling on Sundy morn.
Good fella and he'll be back next year for sure.
I wonder has there been any talk yet about next years venue?
Well done Temora.
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The ranch? Pretty well situated for both northerners and southerners and a good venue ;D
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I'd be happy with THE RANCH............1 hr's drive from Terrigal.......although I've only ridden a Laydown Jawa there on the opening day of their speedway track, around 1999.......better get some practice on the dirt track with the SC 500, just in case...... ;D
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That he does Pete, I saw he was the overnight leader of 3 classes until he sent the Velo cartwheeling on Sundy morn.
while we were all sitting on our collective bums enjoying the lunchbreak,sol was doing it's thing on the track,we was 1st up ,i took one look at the track,thought WTF,glossy or what!!,Graham didn't,threw it away 3 times in that race,on every corner,the last on the highspeeder was impressive apparently,ah well we'll be ready for that little hardearned snippet of gained wisdom next time there eh?, :P
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Some more photos fellas ;D
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My old mate Ray Atkins
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Ray and SA pre 75 state title holder Ross Watson and Herby in the back ground
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pits
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My old girl that Ray took out third on
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Nice pics!
See ya at 3rd. rnd. Sydney West Ray?
cheers pancho.