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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nathan S on November 09, 2011, 08:21:40 am
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http://www.befurious.com/ossa-presenta-en-milan-las-novedosas-ossa-enduro-250i-y-300i/
I'm all chubbied up. ;D
Very average bablefish translation into English:
http://au.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.befurious.com%2Fossa-presenta-en-milan-las-novedosas-ossa-enduro-250i-y-300i%2F&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
(I was particularly amused by "...since habitually usually it is placed in the butt.")
Underwhelming link on the Ossa website:
http://www.ossamotor.es/EN/models.php?idMoto=337
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(http://www.befurious.com/wp-content/uploads/Ossa-Enduro-300i-Befurious.com.jpg)
very nice indeed 8)
aftermarket pipes are going to be interesting :D
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If I read that right, that rearward facing cylinder has two fuel injectors. I'm very interested to read an English report.
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All the good gear ohlins etc, hi tec two banger. looks lite too.
Brett
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Now, thats what you call thinking outside the sqare, I like it, AJ will like it too as its GREEN. ;D
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If I read that right, that rearward facing cylinder has two fuel injectors. I'm very interested to read an English report.
Yep. Can't imagine a performance EFI 2T ever working properly with only one injector - the fuel requirements vary so much from idle to WFO, that a single injector will either be incapable of supplying enough fuel at full throttle, or will be very difficult to control to give a good idle and low throttle response.
The bike is clearly a prototype (uncovered battery terminals, crappy looking exhaust stinger, etc), but it's good to see some fresh thinking.
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Well nobody can say that they are simply playing 'follow the leader'.
Thank goodness it's not another 450cc four stroke - the world has enough of those thunderboxes already.
Ringadddinnnngg!!!
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I reckon it would look better in Phantom colours! Notice the swingarm relationship to counter sprocket.If only they had that back in the day! J
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I reckon it would look better in Phantom colours! Notice the swingarm relationship to counter sprocket.If only they had that back in the day! J
Now that is A+ for thinking.
Shoot them an email - an option to purchase in Phantom colours would be great...
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I reckon it would look better in Phantom colours! Notice the swingarm relationship to counter sprocket.If only they had that back in the day! J
Now that is A+ for thinking.
Shoot them an email - an option to purchase in Phantom colours would be great...
Maybe their motocross version will be in Phantom colours? ;-)
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Interesting rising-rate linkage from a side mounted rear shock.
Now that is a 'snail pipe'!!
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It's growing on me....
I reckon it would look better in Phantom colours! Notice the swingarm relationship to counter sprocket.If only they had that back in the day! J
Now that is A+ for thinking.
Shoot them an email - an option to purchase in Phantom colours would be great...
Funny that. I like the green but I think something a bit more traditional would be better.
I hope they don't go for an MX version. Gasser learned the hard way. It's very difficult to compete with the big 5 in MX.
Can you imagine the conversation in the desgn dept? "Pedro, who's f&^%ing stupid idea was it to put the exhaust port at the back of the barrel? Eees ok for a trials bike but HTF are we going to fit an expansion pipe in there?" ???
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I reckon it is sexy as....................................but then I have been bush for a while ;D
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I heard GMC got the job of building the prototype pipe!
Nice work Geoff.
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Nothing special about the pipe, the design is quite smart. The servo power valve is great feature. Will be very interested in seeing one in the flesh.
Where's the cheque book?
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Having ridden the trials version I reckon it won't be far off the mark
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The servo power valve is great feature.
Can you say WR200? RZ350YPVS? RZ500?
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Now that's a mod bike I'd love to own. There's a lot of good lateral thinking gone into the design, I love the compactness of the engine and yep, the pipe placement's brilliant. I too would love to see it in metalic blue and orange as a homage to the Phantom.
Who owns OSSA these days? Are they a cashed up multi-national conglomerate or are they a boutique producer running on spirit and cool ideas but little money? With a cool product like this they deserve a shot at the market biggun's.
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Independent company who must have a little bit of money as building a clean sheet trials bike while setting up the factory can't have been cheap or easy
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Love it!! I'm biased though, i just LOVE Ossa's. Goes back a long long way. And yeah Jezza I'm with you Phantom colors. Mark
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That thing is sex on wheels, who cares if it's any good!!!!!!!!
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Even a Bimota at the EIMCA show
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/366605_1238_big_bimota.jpg)
Yes it has a servo driven power valve
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/366605_6562_big_bimota2.jpg)
A trellis framed Fantic 125
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/366605_2937_big_fantic125.jpg)
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Hey Lozza,
What brand of engine is in the Bimota?
Looks pretty trick, certainly no restriction on the case reed.
VMX42
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Hey Lozza,
What brand of engine is in the Bimota?Looks pretty trick, certainly no restriction on the case reed.
VMX42
Is it rebadged Gas Gas ..... bet the price is thrilling. But Bimota has a long history of pretty good styling and using the best components. Plus they did produce 500 injected 2 stroke twin in the VDue so may know something about 2 strokes..... VDues were mostly converted back to carbs so maybe not that much.
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V Dues were let down by a lack of computing power, as with the premature Cannondale MX history has proved them well ahead of time. Retrofitted carb kits for the V due got them to only 120HP.
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Here comes a two-stroke revolution!! Now that they have everyones 4 stroke money-it's time to go 2stroke again :D :D.
BUT these 2es will have "much better combustion for less emissions" - ahh....which they already had!!
Talk about "smoke and mirrors" :D
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I heard GMC got the job of building the prototype pipe!
Nice work Geoff.
They approached me to make a pipe but when they started to explain what they were building it sounded too much like some weird pain in the arse hybrid that vintage guys like to build so I fobbed them off. :o ;D
Nothing special about the pipe
The fact that it fits I think makes it special.
Also the welds have that machine welded look about them.
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[…it sounded too much like some weird pain in the arse…
Only if you got the stinger in the wrong place... ;)
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Is it rebadged Gas Gas .....
Nah, the Gasser motor has the ignition pick up at about 1-o-clock and the motor in the pic has it at about 10-o-clock. Also the gasser PV is driven from the right. The motor in the pic is driven on the left.
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Nah, the Gasser motor has the ignition pick up at about 1-o-clock and the motor in the pic has it at about 10-o-clock. Also the gasser PV is driven from the right. The motor in the pic is driven on the left.
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anyway Bimota know how to style a bike, as they should the 'TA' in Bimota is Massimo Tamburini who has arguably been the most infuential designer ever with Ducati 916 and MV Augusta F4 under his belt.
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Yes I want one. and how good would it look sitting beside my SDR. There trials bikes have been good. Fuel injected twostroke, at last a company can see the future of dirtbikes is in light weight two strokes and not in high reving high maitanance high cost 4 strokes.
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Yes I want one. and how good would it look sitting beside my SDR. There trials bikes have been good. Fuel injected twostroke, at last a company can see the future of dirtbikes is in light weight two strokes and not in high reving high maitanance high cost 4 strokes.
Quite often the Europeans read the market better and are closer to the customers. KTM, Husky, Gas Gas, now Ossa never drank the 4 stroke coolade ..... the Japanese shat themselves under some Green political pressure and them tried to force the governing bodies of Motorcycling to trot along..... which they did
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anyway Bimota know how to style a bike, as they should the 'TA' in Bimota is Massimo Tamburini who has arguably been the most infuential designer ever with Ducati 916 and MV Augusta F4 under his belt.
hijack-Some days I just love techoknologee and the masters behind them all.Imagine if these two had time together.
http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/general-ducati-chat/36484-john-britten-thread-3.html
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Imagine the potential sales if Husky went retro .... the sales of Bell Jet helmets and Belstaff jackets would blast off, you could hang a Rollie off your lip and pretend you are Steve in the Baja.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/HUSQVARNATC449CROSSCLASSIC.jpg)
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That Fantis 125 is sex on wheels :o. Its a shame most of these trick new 2t wont make it to Aus :'(.
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Fantic 125 is coming, along with either the 250 OR 300 - but not the other and not the 200. ???.
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...the Japanese shat themselves under some Green political pressure and them tried to force the governing bodies of Motorcycling to trot along..... which they did
It was mostly Honda exerting pressure as they have been on record as hating two-strokes for decades and I believe that they only used the Green angle to promote what they already wanted [not the other way around]. They should take 98% of the responsibility for killing Grand Prix roadracing.
As they say "what goes around, comes around" and now small companies like KTM et al, are stealing very significant market share from the 4 major brands by actually listening to their customers and not just forcing inappropriate technologies down their throats.
Long live the 2 stroke...
If you look at the 4 majors and see the lack of innovation is is plain scary - except for the YZ450 every Japanese bike looks like it came from the same cookie cutter design house. For example: every man and his dog acknowledges that hydraulic clutches are superior to a manual clutch - Honda even run them on their works bikes - but won't sell them to the public. The Euro brands embrace this stuff and then sell multiple variations on their bikes for different niche markets.
50 years ago the Japanese taught the Euros and Poms a lesson, but now the tables have turned. Even the new Euro Superbikes make the Japanese offerings look pedestrian - ie the new Ducati Panigale, BMWS1000R, the Aprillia and even the little Triumph 675.
Good times ahead...
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If you look at the 4 majors and see the lack of innovation is is plain scary -
thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics and a lot of them are out of cash ( Olympus) now that realistic rather than creative accounting standards are being forced upon them. Honda is bleeding because of the flooding in Thailand so it won't be doing much accept cut costs at the moment.
The smaller nimbler Euro companies have a real advantage.
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thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics
I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix. They're not afraid to take a chance. Love it or hate it you have to admire the audacity of the YZF450.
Apart from that example I agree, the Euros are better at giving us what we want.
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thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics
I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix.
haven't done too much toward the 2012 YZ250 2 stroke, no change same as Suzuki..Watch the KTM's fly in 2012. :)
cheers a
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Yeah I agree. If Yamaha were to do a bit of work on the YZ250 it would sell like hot cakes.
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[haven't done too much toward the 2012 YZ250 2 stroke, no change same as Suzuki..Watch the KTM's fly in 2012. :)
cheers a
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wonder who's man child might be riding a KTM in 2012
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[haven't done too much toward the 2012 YZ250 2 stroke, no change same as Suzuki..Watch the KTM's fly in 2012. :)
cheers a
wonder who's man child might be riding a KTM in 2012
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Nup !! just a bit of knowledge picked up at the Perth Show.
cheers a
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If you look at the 4 majors and see the lack of innovation is is plain scary -
thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics and a lot of them are out of cash ( Olympus) now that realistic rather than creative accounting standards are being forced upon them. Honda is bleeding because of the flooding in Thailand so it won't be doing much accept cut costs at the moment.
The smaller nimbler Euro companies have a real advantage.
Marc,
That is exactly what I was saying. Back in the 60's the Brits and Euros were just plodding along making the same bikes they had for decades. "It's the way we have always done it, Laddie" - and then along came the Japs and suddenly dodgy electrics and leaky crankcases weren't acceptable. They created 'aspirational brands' by starting with the small capacities [while the Euros laughed saying they could never make a big bike] and they brought their customers with them as they aged [and had more money] and wanted bigger more sophisticated bikes.
The Euros couldn't [or wouldn't] respond until it was too late. Now the roles have been reversed and the Japanese are saying they can't afford to bring new models to market - so they just keep on keeping on - while the Euros are all fired up and enthusiastic.
This is kind of the situation that Qantas is in. For years they could charge higher prices because they were 'the aspirational brand' and a significant number of punters would pay extra to be part of that brand. What Joyce [and Dixon before him] and his team have done is to fall into the mindset that the market is purely price driven and they have joined the race to the bottom [a race they can NEVER win]. There is room for a premium brand, that charges premium prices, but you have to back it up with great, motivated staff - superior service, safety and a real sense of enthusiasm.
For example look at what Steve Jobs did with Apple. When he was brought back into the company computers were seen as just a commodity. A 'beige box' that was the same as every other 'beige box' - and price was sole the determining factor. What he did was build a brand where there was no compromise. From the packaging to the software, the design and functionality of the actual CPU. Nothing was left to chance, everything was optimised and fine tuned - he paid his staff well, was rewarded with loyalty and enthusiasm. All the good, talented employees wanted to work for Apple - it became a snowball with its own momentum. The best, most talented staff wanted to work for the best computer company, which enabled Apple to make even better machines and employ better people [the exact opposite of Mr Joyce and his vision].
The punters could see that this computer was DIFFERENT from the others and they were prepared to pay more for the privilege of owing one. He fostered this loyalty into one of the biggest corporations in the world. In fact they currently have $70 billion in the bank, they have never paid a dividend and yet people clamor to buy their shares.
Now I am not saying Jobs was perfect, infact he was deeply flawed, but he understood that there will always be a market for affordable quality. This is something that Qantas has demonstrated that it doesn't understand, but it is something that Australian manufacturing should embrace [as the Germans have done]. There is no need to be the cheapest, just be the best and the most innovative [or close to it].
So that is why IMHO that the Japanese manufactures are in serious trouble. They were prepared to allow the Euros to gain a foothold in the dirt bike market, because the money was in street bikes. But now the Euros are encroaching in to road bikes the Japanese don't have the financial rescources, or it seems the drive to take them on.
History repeating itself.
VMX42
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I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix. They're not afraid to take a chance. Love it or hate it you have to admire the audacity of the YZF450.
Fully agree the 2011 YZF was a new standard in 4 stroke engines.... Yamaha are a slightly different cup of tea than the others, unlike Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, they are not and automotive, ship builder or bank owners .... they have stuck much more to core business of musical instruments and motorcycles and finally consumer electronics. So as a corporation they still focused on motorcycle production these days, and it reflects in their quality and products.
Japanese industry is a bit where the Brits were when their bike building bit the dust. But not totally, they have moved a lot of companies off shore (China, Thailand), which was inconceivable at one stage, however they are still crazy inflexible as organisations and their labour issues are really built into the system, in so far as the companies provide the social security in the society and not central Government.
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Japan has been in a Bad Place economically and with some Government and corporation 'cultural' and structural issues for the past 20 years. I'm surprised things haven't gone 'tits up' for them in the last 20 years. I don't like their chances in the next 20 with their unforgiving arch rival about to cut the ground from under them.
I'll bet there are a few more Olympas size problems lurking and festering in their corporate world.
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That is exactly what I was saying. Back in the 60's the Brits and Euros were just plodding along making the same bikes they had for decades. "It's the way we have always done it, Laddie" - and then along came the Japs and suddenly dodgy electrics and leaky crankcases weren't acceptable. They created 'aspirational brands' by starting with the small capacities [while the Euros laughed saying they could never make a big bike] and they brought their customers with them as they aged [and had more money] and wanted bigger more sophisticated bikes.
Well said. When the supplier tries to dictate to the customer their days are numbered.
I, for one, welcome our new overlords (assuming the entire continent doesn't go belly up in the next few weeks).
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For years they could charge higher prices because they were 'the aspirational brand' and a significant number of punters would pay extra to be part of that brand. There is room for a premium brand, that charges premium prices, but you have to back it up with great, motivated staff - superior service, safety and a real sense of enthusiasm.
For example look at what Steve Jobs did with Apple. When he was brought back into the company computers were seen as just a commodity. A 'beige box' that was the same as every other 'beige box' - and price was sole the determining factor. What he did was build a brand where there was no compromise. From the packaging to the software, the design and functionality of the actual CPU. Nothing was left to chance, everything was optimised and fine tuned - he paid his staff well, was rewarded with loyalty and enthusiasm. All the good, talented employees wanted to work for Apple - it became a snowball with its own momentum. The best, most talented staff wanted to work for the best computer company, which enabled Apple to make even better machines and employ better people [the exact opposite of Mr Joyce and his vision].
The punters could see that this was DIFFERENT from the others and they were prepared to pay more for the privilege of owing one. He fostered this loyalty into one of the biggest corporations in the world. .
always be a market for affordable quality. There is no need to be the cheapest, just be the best and the most innovative [or close to it].
Yep !! thats about what the KTM bloke said about KTM's at the Perth Show,well trained,well mannered & professionalism. 8)
cheers A
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Yep !! thats about what the KTM bloke said about KTM's at the Perth Show,well trained,well mannered & professionalism. 8)
cheers A
KTM has quite a different corporate culture than the Japanese, the Japanese want to minimise their contact so they just hand out import deals or dealerships and then let them get on with it. KTM has quite a bit more centralised control on their dealers..... service, presentation, pricing so they look and act like a global network which tends to breed a different level of professionalism and better feedback to the factory.
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Yep !! thats about what the KTM bloke said about KTM's at the Perth Show,well trained,well mannered & professionalism. 8)
cheers A
KTM has quite a different corporate culture than the Japanese, the Japanese want to minimise their contact so they just hand out import deals or dealerships and then let them get on with it. KTM has quite a bit more centralised control on their dealers..... service, presentation, pricing so they look and act like a global network which tends to breed a different level of professionalism and better feedback to the factory.
mmmm...IMO the best team back in the day that I notice most would be Bultaco..very good,clean advertising professionalism. 8)
cheers
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mmmm...IMO the best team back in the day that I notice most would be Bultaco..very good,clean advertising professionalism. 8)
cheers
Bulto were different. My dad told me he was fettling his Sherpa in the cattle market in Edinburgh in readyness for the '67 SSDT and FX Bulto came up to him, addresed him by his first name and asked him what he thought about the bike. Now that's how to win customers.
5 years later my dad was working for FX.
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I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix. They're not afraid to take a chance. Love it or hate it you have to admire the audacity of the YZF450.
Fully agree the 2011 YZF was a new standard in 4 stroke engines.... Yamaha are a slightly different cup of tea than the others, unlike Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, they are not and automotive, ship builder or bank owners .... they have stuck much more to core business of musical instruments and motorcycles and finally consumer electronics. So as a corporation they still focused on motorcycle production these days, and it reflects in their quality and products.
Japanese industry is a bit where the Brits were when their bike building bit the dust. But not totally, they have moved a lot of companies off shore (China, Thailand), which was inconceivable at one stage, however they are still crazy inflexible as organisations and their labour issues are really built into the system, in so far as the companies provide the social security in the society and not central Government.
The 2010 YZ450 engine is not a new idea.. the 2002 Cannondale had the same setup with the intake at the front and exhaust at the rear and was fuel injected also.
As inovative as you might think the YZ450 to be it's not the best bike out there anyway so change is not always better.
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Just wondering which way that motor rotates.
Piston thrust on the inlet side of a 2stroke can cause premature wear problems.
I have seen this first hand.
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What sort of dollars will they sell for any idea.
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Most speculation says ~$14k in Australia.
Closest thing is the GasGas Namtobin Replica which were ~$15k, but are a super-limited edition model from an established brand.
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Hey Lozza,
What brand of engine is in the Bimota?Looks pretty trick, certainly no restriction on the case reed.
VMX42
Is it rebadged Gas Gas ..... bet the price is thrilling. But Bimota has a long history of pretty good styling and using the best components. Plus they did produce 500 injected 2 stroke twin in the VDue so may know something about 2 strokes..... VDues were mostly converted back to carbs so maybe not that much.
Reports are saying the Bimota is a in house engine. Annoraks will note the model designation BB300 which means Bimota/Bimota frame and engine like DB 1, KB1, SB6 and YB5.
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Someone coined the term UJM decades ago (in the 80s IIRC). IMO its been like that ever since.
But lets not detract from that Ossa. It deserves some focus
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But lets not detract from that Ossa. It deserves some focus
Will the pipe get too hot and melt something ? ,oh well at least GMC wont have to fix the expansion chamber every crash!
cheers A
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oh well at least GMC wont have to fix the expansion chamber every crash!
More economic downturn for the future ;D
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Being a 2 stroke they shouldnt be 14k unless it's top shelf Ohlins forks and shock, Yamaha can still sell YZ 250 for 8k so thats a very big cap
If there under 12k I will have a very serious think about one but 14k for a bike I will ride a few times a year is just to much I can buy a new YZ and a good 490 Maico for the same.
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YZ250 is a seven year old MX bike, with a ~$10k recommended retail, even if they're 'always' discounted.
The Ossa's Ohlins are the top spec stuff.
$14k isn't out of the question at all - GasGas had no trouble selling all of the $15k Nambotin replicas they could get their hands on.
That said, the cheaper they are, the more likely it is that I'll buy one...
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Reports are saying the Bimota is a in house engine. Annoraks will note the model designation BB300 which means Bimota/Bimota frame and engine like DB 1, KB1, SB6 and YB5.
Bimota have used BB..1 before for the BMW/Rotax, so BMW engine/Bimota frame ..... so they have snatched the engine that powers Husqvarna.... shuffled it up the road and built their own work of art around it.
More accurate would be Kymco Bimota but KB has already been used. Only Bimota engined Bimota was the V Due and at the moment I would seriously doubt they have the loot for their own engine development, I think they are still paying off the V Due fiasco.
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Don't assume that Ohlins are always top spec. You only get what the manufacturer of the bike can afford to put on. The TM's from the mid 2000's only had budget ohlins fitted, the forks did not even have a propper base valve in them but having ohlins was a major selling point used by TM dealers, even if they didn't work as good as the jap stuff.
As far as paying 12 to 14k for a 2 stroke you would have to be crazy. I like the look of the ossa but a couple of months ago I bought a 2011 CRF450 for $8900 brand new ( I always buy run out models as you save a fortune). If the ossa was a realistic price I might consider it. No bike costing 4 to 5k more than a jap bike is 4 to 5k better. I know most on this forum do not like 4 strokes. But they are really good bikes with a powerband far wider than any 2 stroke, 500's included. I enjoy riding 2 strokes as well, but I love my 4 strokes better. This is my opinion and every one is welcome to their own opinion.
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Reports are saying the Bimota is a in house engine. Annoraks will note the model designation BB300 which means Bimota/Bimota frame and engine like DB 1, KB1, SB6 and YB5.
Bimota have used BB..1 before for the BMW/Rotax, so BMW engine/Bimota frame ..... so they have snatched the engine that powers Husqvarna.... shuffled it up the road and built their own work of art around it.
That's what Bimota have always done. The whole shebang is a rebadged JTG Enduro engine/frame(yet to be released).
Yeah but anyone could buy a CRF crapper. Euro bikes are not mass market, and history has proved many times over the show room UJM is a million miles from the bikes raced by pro's.
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Don't assume that Ohlins are always top spec. You only get what the manufacturer of the bike can afford to put on. The TM's from the mid 2000's only had budget ohlins fitted, the forks did not even have a propper base valve in them but having ohlins was a major selling point used by TM dealers, even if they didn't work as good as the jap stuff.
Indeed, but the stuff on the Ossa prototype is the sexy stuff.
CRFs haven't been updated for a long time (five years?) and are budget priced to keep them selling.
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CRFs haven't been updated for a long time (five years?) and are budget priced to keep them selling.
Yep well Honda have been royally screwed with the flooding in Thailand this year so doubt there will be too much R&D to throw at the CRF.... expect bold new graphics.
The Japanese have a problem, their bikes at full retail have the same sticker prices as KTM, Husky etc and are starting to look, apart from the Yamaha pretty dated. BMW, KTM, Triumph, Ducati, Sherco etc etc just are chewing them up and spitting them out..... of course GFC 2 may have an impact on it all. The Euros are producing market driven bikes like the KTM Freeride, 350EXC, Ossa where Japan still is producing .... well nothing special especially if you are shopping for an enduro or trail bike.
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Being in the Lucky Country and being sooo wealthy, we will be more isolated from the termoil the rest of the world is currently suffering.
If we here are having second thoughts about buying new 'toys' for 10 or 15k how do you think the Frogs, Itis and Spaniards are feeling. (It will be interesting to see the entry for the Dakar this year)
Seems a pity that the resurgance of one of the sports great names comes at a time of such doom and gloom-maybe they will quickly follow their forebares......
The Japanese must be shitting in their shoes right now and the R&D depts will be spending all their time and money on working out how to make one model suit all players-just as the British were back in the early 70s.
There will be big changes to come.
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may be the Japanese could make a buck out of remaking parts for older models?????? i.e Vintage - now that would be good to see???
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The Japanese must be shitting in their shoes right now and the R&D depts will be spending all their time and money on working out how to make one model suit all players-just as the British were back in the early 70s.
There will be big changes to come.
Japanese companies still work the old way Western companies used to, profit making divisions are used to prop up loss making divisions.
Expect the Japanese to fight back on price, companies like Honda are making most of their loot licensing motorcycle designs and name to the third world these days, they have well established production capacity in China, Taiwan, India etc. You can buy a new CRF450 clone out of China now.... so expect a lot more Chinese content in your CRF in the future with keener pricing.
The Husqvarna and BMW 450 engine is made in Taiwan by Kymco.... so I would also expect the Japanese to leverage their low cost country production. As for Husqvarna if I was BMW I would use Italy for R&D and make the whole bike in Taiwan. Bet more and more of it is.
As was mentioned earlier a lot of buyers will grab the CRF at $8900 rather than a Euro bike at $14000. Bet we will see the Euros take another look at their suppliers and pricing as well.
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Latest Transmoto Magazine also has an article on Evil Knievel,Craig Dack and G Ballards new drill !!
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/Fantics.jpg)
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The Strong Aus $ should see prices less or level with a few years ago. I like Ossa but 14k would stop me buying one.
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I like Ossa but 14k would stop me buying one.
Wait 3 years and buy one with 1,000K's on it for $8,000.
Prices for used dirt bikes fall as quick as a dirt bike off a cliff.
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Found this picture, but have no other info :( it said 2012 Maico?
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n546/nobby25/2012.jpg)
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I think that is the same as the 2007 Maico, which had its roots in the 2003 Maico. Good to see that they are still being made... but I can't image how many they sell.
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I do know of one person who has one. The 700cc version too. Mind you he's about 6"5' and about 300 lbs.
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News that seemed to be missed by everybody. Mika Ahola has signed to ride this bike in the WEC next year.
Even a Bimota at the EIMCA show
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/366605_1238_big_bimota.jpg)
Yes it has a servo driven power valve
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/Lozza85_2007/366605_6562_big_bimota2.jpg)
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Geez, the Euro's sure know how to build some sexy machines.
Servo powervalves have been around for a while, and if I remember, didn't really set the world on fire, or am I missing something??
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Wouldn't pass scrutineers here from what I can see.
BTW Zabel used to take the Maico 500 and turn it into a 700+/- for sidecarcar cross back in the late 80's so they have been around for a while and now Zabel make their own motors for just that.
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a new ossa for me ,I think i might have felt something move!!!!!!!!!!! :P