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Re: Oh hell yes! New Ossa enduro bike!
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2011, 01:03:25 pm »
Yes I want one. and how good would it look sitting beside my SDR. There trials bikes have been good. Fuel injected twostroke, at last a company can see the future of dirtbikes is in light weight two strokes and not in high reving high maitanance high cost 4 strokes.

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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2011, 02:06:47 pm »
Yes I want one. and how good would it look sitting beside my SDR. There trials bikes have been good. Fuel injected twostroke, at last a company can see the future of dirtbikes is in light weight two strokes and not in high reving high maitanance high cost 4 strokes.

Quite often the Europeans read the market better and are closer to the customers. KTM, Husky, Gas Gas, now Ossa never drank the 4 stroke coolade ..... the Japanese shat themselves under some Green political pressure and them tried to force the governing bodies of Motorcycling to trot along..... which they did
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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2011, 02:14:39 pm »
anyway Bimota know how to style a bike, as they should the 'TA' in Bimota is Massimo Tamburini who has arguably been the most infuential designer ever with Ducati 916 and MV Augusta F4 under his belt.

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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2011, 02:17:21 pm »
Imagine the potential sales if Husky went retro .... the sales of Bell Jet helmets and Belstaff jackets would blast off, you could hang a Rollie off your lip and pretend you are Steve in the Baja.
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Re: Oh hell yes! New Ossa enduro bike!
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2011, 02:38:40 pm »
That Fantis 125 is sex on wheels :o. Its a shame most of these trick new 2t wont make it to Aus :'(.

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Re: Oh hell yes! New Ossa enduro bike!
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2011, 02:56:20 pm »
 Fantic 125 is coming, along with either the 250 OR 300 - but not the other and not the 200. ???.
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2011, 03:38:59 pm »
...the Japanese shat themselves under some Green political pressure and them tried to force the governing bodies of Motorcycling to trot along..... which they did

It was mostly Honda exerting pressure as they have been on record as hating two-strokes for decades and I believe that they only used the Green angle to promote what they already wanted [not the other way around]. They should take 98% of the responsibility for killing Grand Prix roadracing.

As they say "what goes around, comes around" and now small companies like KTM et al, are stealing very significant market share from the 4 major brands by actually listening to their customers and not just forcing inappropriate technologies down their throats.

Long live the 2 stroke...

If you look at the 4 majors and see the lack of innovation is is plain scary - except for the YZ450 every Japanese bike looks like it came from the same cookie cutter design house. For example: every man and his dog acknowledges that hydraulic clutches are superior to a manual clutch - Honda even run them on their works bikes - but won't sell them to the public. The Euro brands embrace this stuff and then sell multiple variations on their bikes for different niche markets.

50 years ago the Japanese taught the Euros and Poms a lesson, but now the tables have turned. Even the new Euro Superbikes make the Japanese offerings look pedestrian - ie the new Ducati Panigale, BMWS1000R, the Aprillia and even the little Triumph 675.

Good times ahead...

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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2011, 03:55:42 pm »
If you look at the 4 majors and see the lack of innovation is is plain scary -

thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics and a lot of them are out of cash ( Olympus) now that realistic rather than creative accounting standards are being forced upon them. Honda is bleeding because of the flooding in Thailand so it won't be doing much accept cut costs at the moment.

The smaller nimbler Euro companies have a real advantage.
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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2011, 03:58:52 pm »
thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics

I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix. They're not afraid to take a chance. Love it or hate it you have to admire the audacity of the YZF450.

Apart from that example I agree, the Euros are better at giving us what we want.

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« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2011, 04:02:54 pm »
thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics

I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix.

haven't done too much toward the 2012 YZ250 2 stroke, no change same as Suzuki..Watch the KTM's fly in 2012.  :)
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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2011, 04:13:37 pm »
Yeah I agree. If Yamaha were to do a bit of work on the YZ250 it would sell like hot cakes.

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Re: Oh hell yes! New Ossa enduro bike!
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2011, 04:15:19 pm »
[haven't done too much toward the 2012 YZ250 2 stroke, no change same as Suzuki..Watch the KTM's fly in 2012.  :)
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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2011, 04:18:38 pm »
[haven't done too much toward the 2012 YZ250 2 stroke, no change same as Suzuki..Watch the KTM's fly in 2012.  :)
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wonder who's man child might be riding a KTM in 2012
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Nup !! just a bit of knowledge picked up at the Perth Show.
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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2011, 05:00:18 pm »
If you look at the 4 majors and see the lack of innovation is is plain scary -

thats Japanese industry in a nut shell these days, the companies are run by a bunch of geriatrics and a lot of them are out of cash ( Olympus) now that realistic rather than creative accounting standards are being forced upon them. Honda is bleeding because of the flooding in Thailand so it won't be doing much accept cut costs at the moment.

The smaller nimbler Euro companies have a real advantage.

Marc,
That is exactly what I was saying. Back in the 60's the Brits and Euros were just plodding along making the same bikes they had for decades. "It's the way we have always done it, Laddie" - and then along came the Japs and suddenly dodgy electrics and leaky crankcases weren't acceptable. They created 'aspirational brands' by starting with the small capacities [while the Euros laughed saying they could never make a big bike] and they brought their customers with them as they aged [and had more money] and wanted bigger more sophisticated bikes.

The Euros couldn't [or wouldn't] respond until it was too late. Now the roles have been reversed and the Japanese are saying they can't afford to bring new models to market - so they just keep on keeping on - while the Euros are all fired up and enthusiastic.

This is kind of the situation that Qantas is in. For years they could charge higher prices because they were 'the aspirational brand' and a significant number of punters would pay extra to be part of that brand. What Joyce [and Dixon before him] and his team have done is to fall into the mindset that the market is purely price driven and they have joined the race to the bottom [a race they can NEVER win]. There is room for a premium brand, that charges premium prices, but you have to back it up with great, motivated staff - superior service, safety and a real sense of enthusiasm.

For example look at what Steve Jobs did with Apple. When he was brought back into the company computers were seen as just a commodity. A 'beige box' that was the same as every other 'beige box' - and price was sole the determining factor. What he did was build a brand where there was no compromise. From the packaging to the software, the design and functionality of the actual CPU. Nothing was left to chance, everything was optimised and fine tuned - he paid his staff well, was rewarded with loyalty and enthusiasm. All the good, talented employees wanted to work for Apple - it became a snowball with its own momentum. The best, most talented staff wanted to work for the best computer company, which enabled Apple to make even better machines and employ better people [the exact opposite of Mr Joyce and his vision].

The punters could see that this computer was DIFFERENT from the others and they were prepared to pay more for the privilege of owing one. He fostered this loyalty into one of the biggest corporations in the world. In fact they currently have $70 billion in the bank, they have never paid a dividend and yet people clamor to buy their shares.

Now I am not saying Jobs was perfect, infact he was deeply flawed, but he understood that there will always be a market for affordable quality. This is something that Qantas has demonstrated that it doesn't understand, but it is something that Australian manufacturing should embrace [as the Germans have done]. There is no need to be the cheapest, just be the best and the most innovative [or close to it].

So that is why IMHO that the Japanese manufactures are in serious trouble. They were prepared to allow the Euros to gain a foothold in the dirt bike market, because the money was in street bikes. But now the Euros are encroaching in to road bikes the Japanese don't have the financial rescources, or it seems the drive to take them on.

History repeating itself.
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Re: Oh hell yes! New Ossa enduro bike!
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2011, 05:10:14 pm »
I'd exclude Yamaha from that mix. They're not afraid to take a chance. Love it or hate it you have to admire the audacity of the YZF450.

Fully agree the 2011 YZF was a new standard in 4 stroke engines.... Yamaha are a slightly different cup of tea than the others, unlike Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, they are not and automotive, ship builder or bank owners .... they have stuck much more to core business of musical instruments and motorcycles and finally consumer electronics. So as a corporation they still focused on motorcycle production these days, and it reflects in their quality and products.

Japanese industry is a bit where the Brits were when their bike building bit the dust. But not totally, they have moved a lot of companies off shore (China, Thailand), which was inconceivable at one stage, however they are still crazy inflexible as organisations and their labour issues are really built into the system, in so far as the companies provide the social security in the society and not central Government.
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