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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Curly3 on September 02, 2011, 07:19:13 am
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Talk on the radio is Labor want to bring Rudd back.
Can you ffffffffffing believe it, what a bloody shambles.
How are all those who voted Labor last time feeling now?
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If it happens, relieved.
I've wasted far too much of my life discussing this elsewhere, but...
As an unabashed lefty (and the current Labor party has SFA to do with the left), the only love I have for Julia is that she's not Abbott. Regardless of political alliances, I know I'm not alone in thinking this way, seeing as a) Abbott still struggles to get over a 50% approval rating and b) its VERY hard to find anyone with something positive to say about his policies, other than the somewhat worrying "he's not Julia"...
The Gillard-Abbott era will be remembered as very dark days in our political history. Ironically, the only thing that could put some shine on Julia's longer term legacy is if Abbott gets the job and f$%ks everything as hard as I'm sure he will.
We're doomed if we stay in the frying pan, doomed if we jump into the fire.
So at least Rudd might be able to turn down the heat in the frying pan until the Liberals bring the fire under control.
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'A pox on both houses' hey Nathan ;) :). - that's my thinking :-[.
It's hard to believe that great political adage attributed to Abe Lincoln; 'The people get the government they deserve'. We're not that bad a people are we :'(.
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How are all those who voted Labor last time feeling now?
Disappointed and more than a bit let down. As a life long Labor voter I feel the party has swayed from the principles that attracted me to the Labor philosophy back in the sixties. If Julia Gillard ans Kevin Rudd are the best the Labor movement can raise and the current rash of poor decisions is the best they can think of, the party's in deep shit. What really riles me is their pandering to the Greens and their crazy ideals to remain in power. I doubt very much if Bob Hawke or Paul Keating would have put up with the back room deals this current mob are involved in.
However, anyone who thinks the current Liberal Party lineup will be the saving grace is in for a big disappointment. If you think Gillards bad, wait until old Tony gets a hold of the steering wheel of this great nation . If Julia's Labor Party is being driven by the Greens and the wimpy right faction of their own party, the Libs whole agenda seems to be written by Alan Jones and other shock jock ultra right conservatives. Both parties are a disgrace to the voters of Australia. The Labor Party had a great opportunity for reform but they blew it with some dumb decisions but somehow I doubt that the Libs will offer up much different.
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I'd never criticise any one for their political views, infact I rarely get involved in political debate.
One thing that does confuse me is people become " Rusted On " voters.
It's a sad lot to choose from though and niether party resemble what they've always stood for.
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I can't help but think that anyone who supports the direction Gillard and Abbott are taking their respective parties must be "rusted on".
Labor sure seems keen on using industrial quantities of rust remover. As though destroying its long term supporter base is some sort of achievement!?
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…the only love I have for Julia is that she's not Abbott…
;D ;D ;D
We're not that bad a people are we :'(.
I sincerely hope not… :o
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WOW
What bike did he ride. ;D
Harry
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WOW
What bike did he ride. ;D
Harry
His preferred ride is a Rein although he would probably had more success if he had occasionally ridden the Gillard ;D ::).
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A Cossack, comrade ;D
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Joh for PM!!
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Joh for PM!!
They all need their Spin Doctors to deceive the Australian public but Joh would need a doctor of a very special kind ::).
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As been proven by this government, liking or not liking a head of a party is ridiculous. Rudd tried doing something by himself and got the boot. It's the party you have to look at and whether you like THEM surely. What gets me is under Liberal the country was in the black where now we owe squillions. GFC? Didn't labour put us in the red last time they were in Government? Labour is always good for a hand out and that's all that matters.....
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Surely Rudd the dudd will not be taking readhead the deadhead' Job. But it will be fun to watch...
Brett
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That's pretty much how I see it Brad.
It goes in cycles, Liberal save it & Labor spend it, & a bit more.
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Yes Brad 090 i garee also, i think i'd rather be in the black financially, with no stimulous package as most of that money went on PLASMA TV's etc and found its way back to china - the very place where i guess the money came from- aint that a touch of irony. By the way this is only my theory and i stand to be corrected.
Brett
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What happened to the great Aussie statesman, Bob Hawke, John Howard, Andrew Peacock, Paul Keating, Doug Anthony, Paul Keating and poor old Billy Sneddon.
Hell I could almost forgive that some of them were Labour..... plus you mostly didn't notice
What a dog tucker lot the current Canberra leaches are, hell Aussie is finding out what NZ did the hard way with Red Helen and her Lesbo mates, that having some bloody old tart running the shop is like letting your kids drive the car to Kindy.
Keehrist NZ went to the pack under red Helen and Labour. What was it, the "gaggle of gays"
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i'd rather be in the black financially, with no stimulous package as most of that money went on PLASMA TV's etc and found its way back to china - Brett
I think Paul Keating said we would be a "service country to Asia" ..... but substitute 'servant' and you are a bit closer.
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It goes in cycles, Liberal save it & Labor spend it, & a bit more.
And, just like in our personal lives, there is a time to spend, a time to pay off and a time to save. You just need the judgement to know when and how much.
Neither party seem to have the good judgment. Both seem to be driven more by ideology and the quest for power than good judgment.
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How are all those who voted Labor last time feeling now?
Disappointed and more than a bit let down. As a life long Labor voter I feel the party has swayed from the principles that attracted me to the Labor philosophy back in the sixties. If Julia Gillard ans Kevin Rudd are the best the Labor movement can raise and the current rash of poor decisions is the best they can think of, the party's in deep shit. What really riles me is their pandering to the Greens and their crazy ideals to remain in power. I doubt very much if Bob Hawke or Paul Keating would have put up with the back room deals this current mob are involved in.
However, anyone who thinks the current Liberal Party lineup will be the saving grace is in for a big disappointment. If you think Gillards bad, wait until old Tony gets a hold of the steering wheel of this great nation . If Julia's Labor Party is being driven by the Greens and the wimpy right faction of their own party, the Libs whole agenda seems to be written by Alan Jones and other shock jock ultra right conservatives. Both parties are a disgrace to the voters of Australia. The Labor Party had a great opportunity for reform but they blew it with some dumb decisions but somehow I doubt that the Libs will offer up much different.
Only some dumb decisions huh...
Stimulus package handouts, Building the education revolution, Pink batts, Global warming, National broadband network, Grocery watch, Fuel watch, Solar power rebates, Livestock exports, Carbon tax, Electricity pricing, Building approvals, Illegal immigrants, East timor solution, Malaysia solution, Spending union dollars on hookers
How many of these are winners
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Where is Lee Harvey Oswold when you need him .
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see what happens when you put a woman in charge ;D-julia,anna,helen,plus a couple of others i cant think of.why do doctors slap babies at birth ? so the dicks fall of the dumb ones :D
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Spending union dollars on hookers
How many of these are winners
The girls made a profit ;D
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I've got no drama's with a woman running things, that's been my life for 23 years, isn't that right dear.
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How are all those who voted Labor last time feeling now?
Disappointed and more than a bit let down. As a life long Labor voter I feel the party has swayed from the principles that attracted me to the Labor philosophy back in the sixties. If Julia Gillard ans Kevin Rudd are the best the Labor movement can raise and the current rash of poor decisions is the best they can think of, the party's in deep shit. What really riles me is their pandering to the Greens and their crazy ideals to remain in power. I doubt very much if Bob Hawke or Paul Keating would have put up with the back room deals this current mob are involved in.
However, anyone who thinks the current Liberal Party lineup will be the saving grace is in for a big disappointment. If you think Gillards bad, wait until old Tony gets a hold of the steering wheel of this great nation . If Julia's Labor Party is being driven by the Greens and the wimpy right faction of their own party, the Libs whole agenda seems to be written by Alan Jones and other shock jock ultra right conservatives. Both parties are a disgrace to the voters of Australia. The Labor Party had a great opportunity for reform but they blew it with some dumb decisions but somehow I doubt that the Libs will offer up much different.
Only some dumb decisions huh...
Stimulus package handouts, Building the education revolution, Pink batts, Global warming, National broadband network, Grocery watch, Fuel watch, Solar power rebates, Livestock exports, Carbon tax, Electricity pricing, Building approvals, Illegal immigrants, East timor solution, Malaysia solution, Spending union dollars on hookers
How many of these are winners
Or you could just slash and burn, starve pensions etc and spend $20bil on the F18a Super Hornet that the RAAF doesn't want or need just to give your Liberal buddy exPM Andrew Peacock a nice little multimillion dollar commission :-\.
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We have our first rusted on Labor voter.
If there was an election tomorrow would you still vote Labor?
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Bob Brown is running the country I thought.
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As a bloke who likes to look carefully at the options before voting and is not locked into voting for the same the same mob every time, I feel very dissillutioned about the present federal situation.
I feel that a rare opportunity for a great federal government situation has been destroyed by the Abbot attitude to the business of governing the country.
The government as designed for our constitution could and should work exceptionally well remembering always that the opposition parties are part of the governing body.
The problem as I see it is that 'Mr Rabbit' cannot get it in his head that the Liberal Conservatives this time ARE NOT IN POWER.
He is ignoring the fact that the opposition has a great responsibility to carry out the job of looking at critisising legislation put in place or needed, not for instance wasting the whole of the last question time trying to throw out one of the opposite pollies without any thought to what is to be done about the critical state of the steel industy.
[By the way, how many ozzies know that there is no provision for political parties in our constitution]?
The point I am making here is that the situation we presently have should be conducive to good government, with any legislation put up by a conservative, labor,greens, or independent MP has a good chance of getting up if it has merit.
Instead of that we have an opposition not coming to grips with the true nature of the job at hand.
cheers.
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Apart from all of that, today I sat on the seat of my XT slider in the den and imagined myself jumping out of the Nepean gate!, can't wait for the upcoming Penrith race day, getting twitchy since I've only been out on it once early this year!
cheers pancho
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I just saw my first Harry Potter film. A bit unrealistic if you ask me. I mean, a red haired kid, with two friends?
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Not bad MX250 ;)"Neither party seem to have the good judgment. Both seem to be driven more by ideology and the quest for power than good judgment."
I personally would delete the section "more by ideology and" and insert " entirely for" . Cheers ;) except to all the gutless self serving greedy labor .liberal, national, green and most other politicians that obliviously hate our beautiful country Australia.
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We might as well face it those who voted for the independants at the last election are responsible for at least some of the countries problems Carbon Tax, Poker Machine bullshit etc.
And on a positive note there is one member of the Labor party government who is capable of getting a root in a brothel.
Zane
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The Government sent my Census form back !
In response to the question: "Do you have any dependents?"
Apparently replying :
1 million illegal boat people,
3 million drug forked dole bludgers,
3 million third generation unemployed,
2 million people in prison,
half of forking Lebanon, Sudan, Afghanistan and Pakistan
and 5 million drunken coons
is not an acceptable answer !!!!
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Joh for PM!!
cloning isnt that far up yet to go and dig joh up ,maybe the next best thing vote bob ;D
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Only some dumb decisions huh...
Stimulus package handouts, Building the education revolution, Pink batts, Global warming, National broadband network, Grocery watch, Fuel watch, Solar power rebates, Livestock exports, Carbon tax, Electricity pricing, Building approvals, Illegal immigrants, East timor solution, Malaysia solution, Spending union dollars on hookers
How many of these are winners
Solar panel rebates, Insulation and BER achieved their goals.
Stimulus hand outs arguably did too.
NBN looks like being a real winner, even if we've all forgotten about the concept of governments providing infrastructure.
Electricity pricing, building approvals(?), illegal immigrants, global warming and hookers are not the federal goverment's responsibility.
Stuff like the Malaysian Solution are truely shitful policy, and where the anger should be directed, rather than attempting to crucify them for every single thing that annoys you...
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Illegal immigrants
Ted there is nothing illegal about someone arriving on a boat and requesting asylum as a refugee.
Now if you are talking about visitors overstaying their visa that is another issue and I agree more action should be taken in this area.
Cheers
Shaun
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Ill vote Labour again when I'm allowed to put Hookers on Kev's credit card. :P
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I doubt Labor will govern in their own right for a very long time after the next election. Whether it is due to the back room boys/unions or their getting into bed with the greens and the time old Labor tradition of not being responsible for their spending largesse, etc. They are truly lost in my opinion- and that hurts as someone who will never vote Lib. The big boys in town want them gone- miners/media etc, and if you take the time to peel off that stuff their ideas are not as bad as portrayed. The miners can and should pay a s...load more for taking massive profits from a finite resourse, the majority of whose profits go OS etc. You do have to put a price on carbon otherwise there is no disincentive for the big polluters to ever change their ways. We had the GFC and stimulation was required- just look at the rest of the 1st world countries and how they are going compared to us etc etc. Take your extreme right Christian opp leader- a younger Bush- and let him go. Do you think we will ALL be better off?
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Joh for PM!!
cloning isnt that far up yet to go and dig joh up ,maybe the next best thing vote bob ;D
Every one loves to rag old Joh BUT if you fell off your bike back then [ I did so I know ] the ambulance picked you up and took you to hospital where they fixed you up in less than 2 hours and all this was FREE.
No medicare , FREE.
Then Labor came along with medicare and a story about free hospitals , except we already had them up here in backwards Queensland.
I now have to pay and I'm not game to fall off because I may never get fixed or may die waiting.
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Yep.
On the flip side, our actual preferred PM (Turnbull) is on record saying that there should be no Medicare (and presumably no public health system!?), and everyone should have private health insurance...
And he's the Liberals' bleeding heart lefty?!
We really are doomed.
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Got hit by a car in QLD in 1973; broken femur and in hospital for a couple of months, no charge. This sort of health treatment was once part of Labor ideology- you just won't see that under a modern Lib govt. We ARE a rich country and the more we start to dig in over health care and education spending the better. The leader doesn't appear to have enough authority/backing. She is a shot duck and should at least go down in a blaze. Stand on a decision or perish trying- at least show some guts!
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Electricity pricing, building approvals(?), illegal immigrants, global warming and hookers are not the federal goverment's responsibility.
Building approvals are an indication of how the economy is going which is and indication of the job the the Government is doing in running the country.
Electricity ,water ,roads ,sewerage services etc are part of our civilised society .The goverment should have some regulation over maintaining our civil services and structures,that is part of the responsibilty of running the country or state.
Illegal immigration and control of immigration is also the responsibility of the Federal Government, since Federation.
How tax payers money is spent is the responsibility of the Government.That includes money spent by MP's on whatever.
Global warming??? Well Im not going there except to say that there must be two Nathans's on this forum ::)
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Illegal immigrants
Ted there is nothing illegal about someone arriving on a boat and requesting asylum as a refugee.
Now if you are talking about visitors overstaying their visa that is another issue and I agree more action should be taken in this area.
Cheers
Shaun
yes coming in on a boat ,but 1st they flew into indonsia,why dosnt indonsia look after there muslim brothers!!!!
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Joh and Russ had great forsieght, and new how to feed the chooks also ....they where movers and shakers with great vision, of which our present Ju-lia seems to lack.
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All joh was good at was exactly the same as 'bonzarella' bob
They new how to get elected. One was a crook, the other was a waste of space.
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yep joh was a crook,but he did put qld 1st,then himself.the golden casket was originally to support our free hospital system where does that money go .when joh was around we where the lowest tax state think we are highest.nothing wrong with a bit of graft and corruption as long as the job gets done ;D
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Why did all the southerners head up to sunny QLd in their retirement years
1 - We had a better Hospital system.
2 - to avoid paying state duties on deceased estates.
Joh was also one of the key players in Gough Whitlams sacking.
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I doubt Labor will govern in their own right for a very long time after the next election. Whether it is due to the back room boys/unions or their getting into bed with the greens and the time old Labor tradition of not being responsible for their spending largesse, etc. They are truly lost in my opinion- and that hurts as someone who will never vote Lib. The big boys in town want them gone- miners/media etc, and if you take the time to peel off that stuff their ideas are not as bad as portrayed. The miners can and should pay a s...load more for taking massive profits from a finite resourse, the majority of whose profits go OS etc. You do have to put a price on carbon otherwise there is no disincentive for the big polluters to ever change their ways. We had the GFC and stimulation was required- just look at the rest of the 1st world countries and how they are going compared to us etc etc. Take your extreme right Christian opp leader- a younger Bush- and let him go. Do you think we will ALL be better off?
My thoughts in a nutshell but despite my bitter disappointment in our leaders on both sides of the political coin, I'm pretty content with the lifestyle I have in this country. It annoys me to continually hear the negative aspects of our society while the overwhelming positives of living in Australia are totally taken for granted. We've become a society of whingers and conspiracy theorists, searching high and low to find something to complain about.
Sure our polititcians suck, but have a look at the wankers at the helm in America, Italy (insert troubled country of choice here) and the even worse opposition they have to pick from. Compared to what other countries have to put up with, we're doing OK.
Have a look at Detroit and New Orleans in the USA to see whole cities decimated by governmental bad decisions and their inability to provide care for their citizens and be glad you live here. Next time you're shopping in the supermarket and complain about having to pay $9 per kilo for bananas think about the poor bastards starving to death in Africa to whom one rotten banana would be akin to a lotto win. Next time you complain about your health system, think of the people without "health care" in the USA who actually die because they can't afford the treatment. A friend in California had to mortgage her house to afford a life saving bowel cancer operation. Could you imagine the hoop-la if that situation existed here? None of that even compares to third world countries where children die with shameful regularity because there are no doctors to care for them at all. Next time you complain about those evil boat people coming here to start a new life, try thinking what it would be like to be in their boots, having to risk everything to avoid povety, political despots and nothing positive to look forward to except more of the same and worse, that we haven't an inkling of understanding (or even trying to understand). Have we as a society become so uncaring that we can't accept troubled people into the safety of out society?
Stop whingeing and smell the roses my friends. Appreciate what you've got, this country looks in pretty good shape from where I sit. ;)
Despite my vow of not getting involved in these "discussions'' I couldn't resist it any more. I still believe these discussions have no place on a VMX forum but all of this negativity has got to me.
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[/quote] yes coming in on a boat ,but 1st they flew into indonsia,why dosnt indonsia look after there muslim brothers!!!!
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Yes mate agree 100%
Unfortunately we have no influence over Indonesian policy and as a first world country have a moral obligation to protect regugee's. Until such time as an individual has been processed we as a country should facilitate humane care to people who are claiming refugee status no matter how they arrived on our shore's.
This is where 3rd country processing is wrong. The numbers arriving are small (on a world scale) and we are a rich country which should be well equipped to help people in less fortunate circumstances.
Cheers
Shaun
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Why should we acept refugees (and I say this loosely as they all seem to have plenty of money) from Indonesia and spend a motza on them when we cant even look after our own.......Aboriginies come to mind.....fark em off....get our own house in order and then maybe we can take some of these so called refugees......we've fought a couple of wars to get what we got and to let people just walk in off the street so to speak doesnt cut it with me....call me a racist or whatever but dont fall for the puppy dog look.
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We accept around 15000 refugees each year. We send plenty of would-be refugees away.
The ones we accept are mostly Chinese and Burmese, with only tiny numbers of "arabs" or Africans.
Apart from legal aid for their refugee application in some circumstances, asylum seekers get sod all from our government. Accepted refugees the dole, nothing more.
Being a refugee has nothing to do with wealth or education or anything else. It purely relates to whether you can safely remain in your homeland.
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We accept around 15000 refugees each year. We send plenty of would-be refugees away.
The ones we accept are mostly Chinese and Burmese, with only tiny numbers of "arabs" or Africans.
Apart from legal aid for their refugee application in some circumstances, asylum seekers get sod all from our government. Accepted refugees the dole, nothing more.
Being a refugee has nothing to do with wealth or education or anything else. It purely relates to whether you can safely remain in your homeland.
Firing from the hip again Nathan must be a Labor thing. The most recent Gov stats
Burma 1959, Iraq 1688, Bhutan 1144, Afghanistan 951, Congo (DRC) 584, Ethiopia 392, Somalia 317, Sudan 298, Liberia 258, Sierra Leone 237
The highest number of Refugees accepted by Australia during the last seven years was the 05/06 year with almost 14500 while the figures have been between 13000 and 14150 for all those years. Australia has always had a very receptive policy to true refugees regardless of the Governments makeup.
The present hassle is all about the unscrupulous business of people smuggling and their customers who are trying to jump ahead of refugees who use the internationally recognised method of gaining refuge by declaring their status at the first point of ‘safe’ haven. Instead of flying into a ‘safe’ country then destroying their documents and putting themselves, their children and those who have to try and rescue them in unseaworthy boats to gain an advantage.
Both parties have a similar ‘policy’ of off shore processing just the method of doing that is the issue. One method worked and one doesn’t. You can argue and have the ‘last word’ as you always like to but those are the facts.
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We accept around 15000 refugees each year. We send plenty of would-be refugees away.
The ones we accept are mostly Chinese and Burmese, with only tiny numbers of "arabs" or Africans.
Apart from legal aid for their refugee application in some circumstances, asylum seekers get sod all from our government. Accepted refugees the dole, nothing more.
Being a refugee has nothing to do with wealth or education or anything else. It purely relates to whether you can safely remain in your homeland.
Firing from the hip again Nathan must be a Labor thing. The most recent Gov stats
Top 10 in order Burma 1959, Iraq 1688, Bhutan 1144, Afghanistan 951, Congo (DRC) 584, Ethiopia 392, Somalia 317, Sudan 298, Liberia 258, Sierra Leone 237
The highest number of Refugees accepted by Australia during the last seven years was the 05/06 year with almost 14500 while the figures have been between 13000 and 14150 for all those years. Australia has always had a very receptive policy to true refugees regardless of the Governments makeup.
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm
The present hassle is all about the unscrupulous business of people smuggling and their customers who are trying to jump ahead of refugees who use the internationally recognised method of gaining refuge by declaring their status at the first point of ‘safe’ haven. Instead of flying into a ‘safe’ country then destroying their documents and putting themselves, their children and those who have to try and rescue them in unseaworthy boats to gain an advantage.
Both parties have a similar ‘policy’ of off shore processing just the method of doing that is the issue. One method worked and one doesn’t. You can argue and have the ‘last word’ as you always like to but those are the facts.
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How new are those figures, Greg?
I researched this quite thoroughly a couple of months ago - maybe newer figures have been released, but I'm not shooting from the hip.
Late Edit because I couldn't see the link on my phone:
Ah, OK - last time I looked, they were older figures than 09~10.
What's happened to all the Chinese refugees?
FWIW, Australia has since placed caps on refugees from Iraq and possibly Afghanistan - so regardless of whether an asylum seeker has a legitimate case, we're going to automatically reject some of them solely on the basis of their nationality...
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What the fu*k does it matter where they're from? If they're escaping genuine hardship and opression they deserve to be treated like human beings and not used as political football.
Let's set up a hypothetical situation here.......An evil middle eastern dictator takes over the United States and starts killing and raping Christian White Folk and taking away their homes, rights and priveleges. To escape this evil tyranny boat loads of those white folk start landing on our shores looking for a new start. I reckon there would hardly be a wimper of protest, we'd welcome these poor opressed 'christian, english speaking white folk' with open arms and resettle them with all of the medical, financial incentives and legal rights we bestow on ourselves.
Of course it might still be a bid difficult for those black and Mexican Americans to be accepted as they'd have to "learn English and dress like us".
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Out of interest ( Mexicans aside!IE real Mexicans not Victorians!) how many refugees does the USA accept per annum and what is their policy. I don't ever remember seeing refugee boats landing on the shores of the states. By the way have you seen the Tea party candidate theyv'e thrown up. Forget her name but she reckons she has had a message from God to run for office! Makes Tony Abbott look like a moderate. Watch the blood pressure Firko by the way! Cheers Jerry PS What about John Orchards efforts down at Broadford. What a legend.
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Watch the blood pressure Firko
Thanks Jerry but my blood pressure's a workable 140/70 so there's no need for concern. If you're thinking I'm getting all hot and bothered....wrong. I'm as cool as the bottle of 2010 Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc that's in the freezer being prepped for dinner. I'm merely trying to make light of this xenophobic 'not in my backyard' attitude to refugees. I don't get cranky since the bloke who posted in red ink bit the bullet.
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What the fu*k does it matter where they're from? If they're escaping genuine hardship and opression they deserve to be treated like human beings and not used as political football.
Let's set up a hypothetical situation here.......An evil middle eastern dictator takes over the United States and starts killing and raping Christian White Folk and taking away their homes, rights and priveleges. To escape this evil tyranny boat loads of those white folk start landing on our shores looking for a new start. I reckon there would hardly be a wimper of protest, we'd welcome these poor opressed 'christian, english speaking white folk' with open arms and resettle them with all of the medical, financial incentives and legal rights we bestow on ourselves.
Of course it might still be a bid difficult for those black and Mexican Americans to be accepted as they'd have to "learn English and dress like us".
+1
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What the fu*k does it matter where they're from? If they're escaping genuine hardship and opression they deserve to be treated like human beings and not used as political football.
Let's set up a hypothetical situation here.......An evil middle eastern dictator takes over the United States and starts killing and raping Christian White Folk and taking away their homes, rights and priveleges. To escape this evil tyranny boat loads of those white folk start landing on our shores looking for a new start. I reckon there would hardly be a wimper of protest, we'd welcome these poor opressed 'christian, english speaking white folk' with open arms and resettle them with all of the medical, financial incentives and legal rights we bestow on ourselves.
Of course it might still be a bid difficult for those black and Mexican Americans to be accepted as they'd have to "learn English and dress like us".
My point exactly trying to argue that they are this or that nationality by birth is pointless as it changes with the international climate (political not warming ::)) . Australia has a long history of welcoming Refugees regardless of the political persuasion of the Government at the time which we should be proud of.
The only point of discussion should be how to stop greedy opportunist from taking money from these people to chuck them in stinking creaking hulk and setting sail to trying and smuggle them into Australia. The customers of these pricks are trying to jump the queue to get in front of others who may be in more need of assistance by using their better financial position. You can argue they are just doing their best or I that I would do the same thing etc etc but it does not change the fact they are trying to jump ahead of others that have done the right thing.
There was a system that, while not pefect, had stopped the boats at their source. The system was reasonable fair as Australia maintained control of the process and the arrivals had access to education, medical and other support. Most importantly Australia could ensure their safety. Why was it scrapped ???
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There was a system that, while not pefect, had stopped the boats at their source. The system was reasonable fair as Australia maintained control of the process and the arrivals had access to education, medical and other support. Most importantly Australia could ensure their safety. Why was it scrapped ???
It was scrapped because a guy called Kevin Rudd was the Prime Minister of Australia... :P
Anyway, someone in the Labor party said that they would chew off their own hand rather than vote for Rudd to replace Julia again... ;D
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The reason that the boats were 'stopped at the source' had far less to do with political manouvers in oz and a lot to do with less refo's needing to get out of thier country at that particular time.
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The reason that the boats were 'stopped at the source' had far less to do with political manouvers in oz and a lot to do with less refo's needing to get out of thier country at that particular time.
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all the do -goders should sponsor a family of rag heads by taking them in their home for a min. period of 5 years at no cost for the government . How does that sound ?
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Where's the fascist filter when you need it?
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even the "handle" is offensive when taken in context with content.
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Why should we acept refugees (and I say this loosely as they all seem to have plenty of money) from Indonesia and spend a motza on them when we cant even look after our own.......Aboriginies come to mind.....fark em off....get our own house in order and then maybe we can take some of these so called refugees......
Is there some reason we can't do both????
Cheers
Shaun
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all the do -goders should sponsor a family of rag heads by taking them in their home for a min. period of 5 years at no cost for the government . How does that sound ?
That's a very sad and disappointing reply Walter. Shame.
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I think that might be enough on this topic.
I started it because of the joke that the Labor party and sadly our country had become.
The assylum debate will never be resolved and will always be a emotive issue.
Let's move on.
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I started it because of the joke that the Labor party and sadly our country had become
And that's what disappoints me Steve...yep, the Labor Party have let us down on many levels but to think or even hint that our country has become a "joke" is naive and wrong. Our comparitively wealthy lifestyle quality and political stability have placed us as the 'poster society' for people in other countries to strive for. If you think Australia is a joke, go visit any European country, the USA or just about any other western country and you'll see just how lucky we are.
We're doing just fine ;).
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Lock it up Slidey before it gets even uglier… :(
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Nah, sheel be right, we all just need to take a deep breath, regularly.
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Point taken, wrong phrase.
We would look like a joke if Rudd was returned to PM.
If our leaders, whichever, continue making dumb decisions and throw good money after bad relying on our resources boom, it won't take long and we won't be sitting so pretty.
I know what you mean 42 but if I do that I'll cop a bagging from some.
Not that that concerns me a great deal but maybe one of the Mod's will do it.
I love a sunburnt country.
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I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
But over run with greenies
And nerds with shit for brains.
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just has a quick read, good stuff firko and 2seven. 'go back to where you came from' on sbs should be compulsory viewing for all. we have got it so so so good in australia. we have got nothing to really complain about. there is only one race the human race.
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Our comparitively wealthy lifestyle quality and political stability have placed us as the 'poster society' for people in other countries to strive for. If you think Australia is a joke, go visit any European country, the USA or just about any other western country and you'll see just how lucky we are.
We're doing just fine ;).
Imagine what the place would be like with competent people , on all levels of government , running the place.
Doing fine ?
We could do brilliant.
I despair at some of the decisions made.
Posting plans for all our military bases on line ??? ???
That's a good one , will save other country's having to employ spies.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjs0UV12fo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjs0UV12fo&feature=related)
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You've hit the nail on the head Mike.....imagine how good it would be if we could wipe out the last 4 years of the worst Government we've ever had....and thats what people get wrong......we should be waayyyy better off and the most envied country in the world.....god forbid if the milky bar kid gets hold of the reins again....some people's sights are set too low.
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Sights set low? Currently, we've got our political sights wound down so low that we're looking at our own arseholes: Gillard or Abbott?! FFS, what sort of choice is that!?
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I love a sunburnt country
A land of sweeping plains
But over run with greenies
And nerds with shit for brains.
I love her far horizon
Full of illegals on the sea
But re elect Rudd and she'll be right
And lets raise the GST
:D
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Once a smiling Paki sat in his business suit
Underneath the shade of a mangrove tree
And he sat and he wondered where you sign up for Medicare
But he'd been dropped off at the wrong beach you see
North of Australia, North of Australia
He had been dropped off at the wrong beach you see
And he sat there and read his brochures on free housing
But he'd been dropped off at the wrong beach you see
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Okay that's it, now it really is time to lock this topic down. ;)
Marc, that was awful.
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Okay that's it, now it really is time to lock this topic down. ;)
Marc, that was awful.
Yep what would Banjo think ... god my vote is stuck with an alternative between Rudd and Fire Crotch .... looks like I am voting for the Shooters Party again ::)
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You on the saki MarC ;D
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You on the saki MarC ;D
Yeah pretty much always on the sauce around here .... helps dilute the Iodine isotopes on the vegetables.
Anyway looking forward to my contract running out and hopefully with Margret Motu's permission I can re enter New Zealand./
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Has any one thought of how John howard would have got OZ through the GFC?
Aside from that, JH was my political hero after he took over from Mr. Arrogance Supremo.
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Has any one thought of how John howard would have got OZ through the GFC?
Aside from that, JH was my political hero after he took over from Mr. Arrogance Supremo.
Ah John Howard, probably one of the best fiscal managers in Aussie political history, John would have skipped the unnecessary inflationary stimulus and gone straight for the austerity package.
The Australian financial sector was and still is in such good shape, very limited sub prime exposure and under such good management that they would have coped with Lehman without the Government burning up the tax payers cash.
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Yep.....wouldnt have taken part in the GFC......the only fall out would probably just been the superanuation losses.....but thats another story full of overpaid incompetent dickheads.
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Ah John Howard, probably one of the best fiscal managers in Aussie political history, ....
At the expense of infrastructure and that other tedious, unimportant stuff that governments are supposed to do.
Sure he and Costello saved cash very well, but they did it in pre-GFC economic boom and at the expense of actually building the nation.
We've all forgotten it, but the country was feeling very stale and we were riding a bubble of supposed wealth built on debt. The value of Rudd's stimulus spending can be argued forever without conclusion, but it did transfer some national savings into reducing personal debt and providing a transition period for exposed businesses (particularly construction and retail), which was indisputably of some value to the country as a whole.
I do know that Howard and Costello would have done an infinitely better job of convincing the punters that they'd done the right thing... And this undoubtedly would have had its own value to the country, when the market is so easily spooked.
Old mate Abbott had a plan for the GFC that every economist ridiculed as ineffective and would have undoubtedly allowed us to slide into recession. Even a mild recession would have cost the country significantly more than the stimulus spending, BTW... Gittens (among others) have detailed how/why this is so.
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At the expense of infrastructure and that other tedious, unimportant stuff that governments are supposed to do.
Sure he and Costello saved cash very well, but they did it in pre-GFC economic boom and at the expense of actually building the nation.
People forget oh so quickly that the biggest brake on exports from Australia immediately prior to GFC was the lack of rail and port infrastructure. The GFC saved the Fed Govt lots of embarrassment on that score.
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For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong (H. L. Mencken).
“A right winger is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.”- FDR
In life, in business and in politics 'do nothing and save money' will always make you look good - short term. Especially to the unthinking Right Wing Conservatives.
Howard and Costello were very good at cutting money from the states forcing them to cut essential services like Health and Education and blaming shortfalls on state inefficiencies and mismanagement. They still found money for there pet projects like unwanted F18a's ::).
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What would have happened if the , Pink Batt / Flatscreen TV / stuck in the floods / BER / and so on, money had been spent on upgrading rail / ports / High speed trains / State manufacturing ?
Socialist of me I know but I do wonder.
Ps. Some of those poems are pretty good. ;D
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What would have happened if the , Pink Batt / Flatscreen TV / stuck in the floods / BER / and so on, money had been spent on upgrading rail / ports / High speed trains / State manufacturing ?
.......so the true path lies some where in between.
'A pox on both houses' I say ;) ;D
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Ah John Howard, probably one of the best fiscal managers in Aussie political history, ....
Sure he and Costello saved cash very well, but they did it in pre-GFC economic boom and at the expense of actually building the nation.
John and Elvis were visionaries.... they knew the game would be up and thankfully saved a lot of cash while the the boom was good. Besides Australia was struggling enough with a skill shortage without the Government launching a bunch of infrastructure projects it could live without when the boom tanked.
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Ah John Howard, probably one of the best fiscal managers in Aussie political history, ....
Sure he and Costello saved cash very well, but they did it in pre-GFC economic boom and at the expense of actually building the nation.
John and Elvis were visionaries.... they knew the game would be up and thankfully saved a lot of cash while the the boom was good. Besides Australia was struggling enough with a skill shortage without the Government launching a bunch of infrastructure projects it could live without when the boom tanked.
Methinks you give them much much too much credit ::).
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What would have happened if the , Pink Batt / Flatscreen TV / stuck in the floods / BER / and so on, money had been spent on upgrading rail / ports / High speed trains / State manufacturing ?
Socialist of me I know but I do wonder.
Ps. Some of those poems are pretty good. ;D
Pink Batt scheme and BER were designed to happen quickly, whereas real infrastructure would have taken far too long to be effective as stimulus.
Set Top Boxes for pensioners was a typically sh17ful attempt at vote buying.
Flood money is because we're too tight to insure ourselves properly.
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Nathan, you're forgeting that most of those people actually thought they were covered for "Flood" damage but some of the insurance co's used the fine print & where the water came from to avoid a payout.
Which isn't surprising.
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I did do another post but I pulled my head in 'coz I got to wound up
cheers pancho
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The big issue was the fact the Qld Gov had not insured public owned assetts which then left a massive clean up bill. What party is the Qld Gov?
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No monty I think the big issue was that previous graft and corruption allowed development on known flood plains, check out the floods around 1915.
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all the do -goders should sponsor a family of rag heads by taking them in their home for a min. period of 5 years at no cost for the government . How does that sound ?
Well-and Davey Crocket wiill have to punch me next time he sees me-but I think Wally is onto something there!!!
Let all those that agree with the rush of boat people sign up for the above and then we'll see what happens-My feeling is that those that agree with letting them in have never had a business of their own or even a job for that matter and for the govt to waste 6 million on phone calls for them-when our own wait in hospital ques for medication is just plain wrong...
There, I've said it - and I'll say it again......
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EML, Walter was partly onto something there, but the Rag Head comment didn't help.
Yes we're doing well and a whole lot better than pretty near everyone else, BUT.
Familiarity breeds contempt.
If we relax our core values, which is what makes us so attractive, eventually it'll all disappear.
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That's correct Slider, but if you believe the stats, it's already too late- We'll all be following Mo by 2030 or we wont be breathing.
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Mate I hear Ya, I live just one suburb away from the centre of the Muslim followers in Syd, Lakemba.
I know quite a few of them and they're good people, if you agree, disagree and it's a different story.
Tolerance is a 2 way street but it aint happening.
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No monty I think the big issue was that previous graft and corruption allowed development on known flood plains, check out the floods around 1915.
I'm sorry to disagree. Yes I totally agree the town planning was shit a bit like the Vic fires (no clearing of timber allowed etc) and flooding in Newcastle (crap town planning and lack of storm water systems) a few years ago. What I am talking about is the levee on all TAX payers via the increased Medicare payments. This money is predominantly to reinstate Qld Gov. owned assets which had not been insured or covered by in anyway.
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My feeling is that those that agree with letting them in have never had a business of their own or even a job for that matter
You're kidding..right? Genuine refugees don't bother me one iota and I worked my arse off for 45 years, ran two small businesses and I'm now a self funded retiree. I happen to have deep compassion for people who for no fault of their own have found the need to seek a new life in a safe haven.
Calling me and people with my beliefs bludgers is as low as this debate has reached.
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I happen to have deep compassion for people who for no fault of their own have found the need to seek a new life in a safe haven.
Yeah and as long as they rock up and respect and don't change our society into one with the values they just ran away from then no issue. Australia has some core values and these need to be respected and protected.... if you don't like it f&^k off should be in the preamble to the constitution.
Particularly when the economy gets a bit tougher you will see far more friction like in the UK and Europe and keeping the immigrants especially the New Zealanders in line will become a major issue.
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I think this topic has run it's course and probably should finish here.
I foolishly started it as just a general comment on the shambles our political leaders have become.
Last night I locked it off because of some disgraceful comments made by others, several people chose to remove their posts afterwards, hopefully because they realized they'd gone a touch too far.
As a result I attracted the Ire of a certain member that quite frankly dissapointed me big time.
This is the last comment I'll make on anything non bike related.
Stick your head above the parapet too often and it'll eventually get shot off.
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I think this topic has run it's course and probably should finish here.
hell no you can't stop a topic just because you are morally outraged, man up to the fact that any political discussion on here is going to reflect a pretty broad spectrum of views and you have to tolerate that when you post contentious issues.
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I think this topic has run it's course and probably should finish here.
hell no you can't stop a topic just because you are morally outraged, man up to the fact that any political discussion on here is going to reflect a pretty broad spectrum of views and you have to tolerate that when you post contentious issues.
I think he's upset at the personal attacks Marc.
I know I find them disturbing sometimes.
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I think he's upset at the personal attacks Marc.
I know I find them disturbing sometimes.
Yeah better not to make it personnel But it kind of goes with any thread, if you start it then steer it back where you want it to go. If you believe what you say then a few people taking a swipe at you won't bother you. I prefer to take the piss when someone has a go and be the last one standing, like the 'real HL 500 thread' .... you can't storm off mate its un Australian ;).
Hey Wasp they might have gone PC in schools but seems judging by my kids experience they are not any less nasty or violent for it. You just got to teach your kids how to get even... my daughter was getting bullied so I told her to spread a rumor that the other girl had ringworm.... worked a treat ;D
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And you've got the audacity to comment on what the forum should be about when it was your post that caused the whole problem then was gutlessly removed.
Not happy Jan.
I lied, I had one more comment to make.
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I lied, I had one more comment to make.
Its amazing with this forum sometimes how outraged people get, they are all phoning up their mates in the background, its a real hoot.
Mate don't take the personnel attacks too seriously, its just a bunch of chest beating.
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Particularly when the economy gets a bit tougher you will see far more friction like in the UK and Europe and keeping the immigrants especially the New Zealanders in line will become a major issue.
Wow you've got an axe to grind. They really are a militant bunch those kiwis and they really don't assimilate well at all eh bro.
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Wow you've got an axe to grind. They really are a militant bunch those kiwis and they really don't assimilate well at all eh bro.
Tell you mate they will be rioting in the street, I would lock up your sheep and refrigerator while there is still time.
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X -mas at school is already banned , it could offend some poor new comer ....
Really?
A lot of schools don't go near the religious side of Christmas (yes, I know: "the reason for the season" and all that), so the nativity stuff and all the rest is absent nowdays.
But I am yet to hear of any school pretending that Christmas or Easter simply don't exist.
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This thread has raised some interesting and relevent points but like nearly every other thread to do with politics on this forum, it turned into a farce because some people just can't help but be offensive, ruining good discussion with name calling and racist comments. The art of good debate is to raise good, well founded points that inspire inteligent discussion. I don't understand what Walter was trying to achieve with his sexist, racist rant. Did he think we'd all fall off our chairs pissing ourselves laughing? Well I saw it as offensive and going by my PM's this morning I'm not the only one.
I'll go on record and declare that I like Walter. I have his shocks on a couple of my bikes and we've always got on extremely well face to face. The difference between Walter and I is that his philosophy and mine are diametrically opposed and what he sees as a funny throwaway line I find offensive. The term "raghead" harks back to our previous immigration debate and our vilification of "slopeheads" from South East Aisia and the "wogs" and "spicks" from a decade beforee that. Namecalling was as wrong then as it is today. It's not so much the name that's offensive as is the hate hidden within it.
The thing that pisses me off is that this forum is dedicated purely to Vintage Dirt Bikes. Like all facets of society we all possess different philosophical ideals but the common denominator that's drawn us all here is our love and interest in old dirt bikes...full stop. While our political thoughts and ideals are important to us, they don't belong on this forum. These discussions do nothing but raise predjudices that wouldn't come to the surface if we just stuck to old bikes and avoided divisive subject matter. I've been called a commo, lefty and pinko by people whom I lknow and like but who don't agree with my politics. The names don't hurt me but it annoys me that someone has made their mind up of where I lean politically without delving deeper....I'm automatically branded in their minds. In the end, debates like this sometimes turn very nice people, very very ugly, very very quickly. I'm disappointed in myself for breaking my personal vow not to post on these threads any more but when I saw negativity festering and my country being hammered, I jumped in head first. It ain't going to happen again Yesiree, Bob.
I repeat...politics has no place on this forum.........now, to make myself feel better I'll now go over and buy something off Marks Swapmeet ;D
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I repeat...politics has no place on this forum.........now, to make myself feel better I'll now go over and buy something off Marks Swapmeet ;D
I don't know it livens things up a bit.... maybe we just need to make the political posts more VMX related:
Like .... What Bike would John Howard Ride ?
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.... What Bike would John Howard Ride ?
The one that Janette says he can.
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None...he can't balance a bike. Have you seen him bowl a cricket ball. ::)
(Doh! I've posted again :-[)
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.... What Bike would John Howard Ride ?
The one that Janette says he can.
I don't know when I think John Howard I think early DT125 bimbling along the trail at its own speed, but reliable and getting there eventually.
Bob Hawke then..... I am thinking Rickman BSA, cranky old single with technology a bit in the past, but is considered a classic and still has fans today.
Paul Keating ???
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(Doh! I've posted again :-[)
We won't tell anybody…
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I don't know when I think John Howard I think early DT125 bimbling along the trail at its own speed, but reliable and getting there eventually.
.......and custom painted a nice beige colour with brown race stripes ;).
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I've been called a commo, lefty and pinko by people whom I lknow and like but who don't agree with my politics.
you forgot Fiko ;D
I have a pic somewhere of Malcom Fraser on a KTM250 :-\ does that mean anything....
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I have a pic somewhere of Malcom Fraser on a KTM250 :-\ does that mean anything....
I don't know one of Billy Sneddon off for a ride would be more entertaining .... ;D,
On 27 June 1987, just hours after attending John Howard's election campaign launch, Snedden suffered a fatal heart attack at the Travelodge at Rushcutters Bay, Sydney, while having sex with his son Drew Snedden's ex-girlfriend.[3][4] Melbourne newspaper The Truth famously headlined its report "Snedden died on the job", while the Sydney Morning Herald reported that Snedden was wearing a condom and that "it was loaded".[5]
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I don't know one of Billy Sneddon off for a ride would be more entertaining .... ;D,
On 27 June 1987, just hours after attending John Howard's election campaign launch, Snedden suffered a fatal heart attack at the Travelodge at Rushcutters Bay, Sydney, while having sex with his son Drew Snedden's ex-girlfriend.[3][4] Melbourne newspaper The Truth famously headlined its report "Snedden died on the job", while the Sydney Morning Herald reported that Snedden was wearing a condom and that "it was loaded".[5]
Gee, you have a long memory Marc :D.
while the Sydney Morning Herald reported that Snedden was wearing a condom and that "it was loaded"
Wow, what a price - what a waste of effort :-[. (How do jurno's get these 'facts' :P).
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What happened to my post-shot off into the ether.....
I had Malcolm on his Austrian Ag bike though i though it was an AG175.
I put Penny Wong on a chinese knockoff commutor called a Fwanny Wicker 50 that statrted slowly with long soft strokes, wove nicely thru the traffic and got you to the markets for some cheap Bhok Chooy.
Ruddy Kev another chineses knockoff-this time a LAMs approved adventure bike taking him to far off places.
And Bob Katter on nothing foreign at all so I think the last all Aussie made bike was a Hunwick Hallam(?)
Big slow reving V twin, making a shit load of noise going nowhere without brakes.